Feb. 25, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal stream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| You just got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
| Welcome. It's Saturday, 25 February, in the year of our Lord, 2023. | ||
| We're here. We're talking about the early days, early years of the Third World War. | ||
| We're in the second year now, officially, of the war in Ukraine. | ||
| Frank Gaffney has been talking with us. | ||
| Frank, you said the industrial base has kind of gone away, the industrial base, to keep us a military power. | ||
| Why has that happened and what needs to be done? | ||
| Because right now, correct me if I'm wrong, we're sending basically virtually 100 % of our ammunition, bullets, things like that, to Ukraine. | ||
| And we're already hearing that, you know, we're six months behind in Taiwan and they're more than six months behind in getting the M1 tanks. | ||
| Walk us through this issue of logistics and industrial base. | ||
| Let's start with the Industrial Base, Stephen. | ||
| With your very considerable help, we've put together a new book called The Indictment. | ||
| One of the strongest points of the book is that we have been subjected to war crimes by the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Just a perfect example of one of those is the Rust Belt. | ||
| I don't know that anybody else has quite connected this dot before, but That didn't just happen, that factories that produced, among other things, the arsenal for democracy over decades, but also the strength of our economy, the dominant position that we've had as a manufacturing nation for many years, that was taken out by the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| As you know, as part of their economic warfare strategy, Which was part of their larger unrestricted warfare strategy. | ||
| And so, whether you look at the defense industrial base as a sort of microcosm of that problem, or at the macro picture, it's a story of how this country's greatest economic power was sapped or stolen from us. | ||
| in an act of economic warfare by the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And on the defense industrial side in particular, the sort of convergence, if you will, of all of that with this sort of notion of the end of history after the Soviet Union was taken down by Ronald Reagan. | ||
| That led to a notion, especially coupled with this idea that, well, as long as we make the Chinese rich, they won't be a problem. | ||
| They'll be happy campers. | ||
| They'll be part of the international community. | ||
| We'll maybe compete with them, but it'll be an active trading relationship, right? | ||
| No. What they were determined to do was to use the pretext, the so-called hide-and-bide strategy of Deng Xiaoping, the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, at the time that the Soviet Union was defeated, he said, that Cold War is over. | ||
| The Soviets lost. A new Cold War has begun. | ||
| We will win. | ||
| China will win. And they set about concealing from us, hide what their true intentions were, and bide their time so that they could both take down this country through unrestricted warfare, and they could build up China, among other things, in terms of its military power as well. | ||
| We mostly missed the memo. | ||
| We allowed our defense industrial base, as we've talked about, Steve, to contract artificially and foolishly. | ||
| And where we find ourselves today is it's not nearly up to the job of being The arsenal for democracy that we need it to be, not least to defend ourselves. | ||
| It's a war crime. | ||
| I mean, they did this in conjunction with our financial and economic elite and political class. | ||
| You know, was it Graham Allison came here to the to the war room or to Breitbart years ago when his book came out, I think, Destined for War, which is about the Thucydides trap. | ||
| Which is, you know, you have Athens and Sparta since the Peloponnesian Wars. | ||
| I think it's 14 times in world history this has happened. | ||
| You have a declining power and a rising power. | ||
| And where they didn't reach some rapprochement or accommodation, it always led to some catastrophic war. | ||
| And here in the decline, when he was here for lunch, I said, hey, here's one of the problems with your theory. | ||
| You don't have any examples where the elite and the declining power made more money on the way down than they made on the way up. | ||
| And that's a situation we have today. | ||
| So we say the CCP is guilty of a war crime. | ||
| Isn't that war crime the perpetrators that actually American citizens that worked in conjunction with the CCP to take all the industrial base to mainland China? | ||
| It's a critically important point, Steve. | ||
| And this indictment is aimed at both the Chinese Communist Party and at their enablers in our own country. | ||
| And you're absolutely right. One of the other war crimes I would suggest in this indictment is the very successful use of what the Chinese call elite capture. | ||
| Peter Schweitzer's written a terrific book called Red Handed, as you know, on this subject, naming names, documenting the extent of it, not just in the business sector. | ||
| And you're absolutely right. Wall Street has been arguably the worst of the lot. | ||
| And we can talk more about What that's meant for the rest of this enterprise, but academia, the media, the culture, and of course not least our political elite have all been captured egregiously. | ||
| The Commander-in-Chief of the United States is among those and has been working, I believe, assiduously for our enemy, as have many of these others. | ||
| And it's put us in mortal peril. | ||
| They persist in it. | ||
| The Wall Street guys are, to this day, intent on putting still more, and again, I mention this every time we're on air, your money, folks. | ||
| If you're in pension funds, if you're in mutual funds, if you're in index funds or exchange-traded funds or other investment vehicles that Wall Street manages for you, you can bet that a portion of your funds are in China. | ||
| And if, God forbid, Steve, As we were talking about earlier, this second front, old-fashioned shooting war with China, you're going to lose every dime of it. | ||
| And not one of those captains of industry or masters of the universe or whatever you want to call them on Wall Street are telling you the truth about that. | ||
| Instead, they're interested in getting more fees by putting more of your money over there even now under these circumstances. | ||
| It is not only reckless and malfeasant, I believe, in terms of their fiduciary responsibility, it's treasonous. | ||
| Let's go to that. If you want to avoid, if we don't have the industrial base, it would take us too long to ramp up, if we don't have the money to continue to pay almost a trillion dollars in defense spending, you go back to the Chinese, they didn't have any of that money either. | ||
| They looked at the Gulf War and said, hey... | ||
| If we have to fight foreign devils with the technology they have, we're never going to beat them. | ||
| Because they're so far advanced after they saw the combined arms and the intelligence and the remote targeting we could do during the Gulf War. | ||
| And they came up and they wrote unrestricted warfare. | ||
| Walk through unrestricted warfare of what we should do today because we don't need for us to fight a kinetic war. | ||
| In the South China Sea, the Western Pacific, around the East Asian, Eurasian landmass as a second front of the Third World War right now would be suicidal. | ||
| Our sociopathic oligarchs and overlords have us really funneling every piece of ammunition, every piece of logistics we have into the Ukraine war with starving the others. | ||
| So we have to be creative. | ||
| What is unrestricted warfare? | ||
| How have the Chinese used against us? | ||
| And how can we immediately, immediately flip the table on them economically, technologically, cyber information warfare? | ||
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Frank Gaffney. Well, just a small corrective, Steve. | |
| Their insight into the necessity of using unrestricted, that is to say non-kinetic means to take us down, predated That spectacular victory in the Gulf War by a decade and some. | ||
| Back in 1999, they were putting together this game plan. | ||
| Excuse me, I've got my timing off. | ||
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You're right. No, no. | |
| The Gulf War was in the early 90s. | ||
| They were so blown away by Schwarzkopf's briefings and what happened in the remote targeting. | ||
| They came to the conclusion, we militarily will almost have no chance of catching up to the foreign devils. | ||
| The foreign devils are that good with combined arms. | ||
| I mean, they were in shock. | ||
| This also shows you how adaptive they are. | ||
| They looked at that and said, well, we can't just do that. | ||
| We got to be smarter than that. | ||
| You're right. My math is wrong, but your point is right. | ||
| This was a wake-up call for them and others around the world, by the way. | ||
| And I think what they decided to do was not to give up on the possibilities of military might being used against us, but just to patiently build that up over time, but to start immediately. | ||
| with these other techniques for taking us down. | ||
| And, you know, you've asked the right question. | ||
| What did they envision? | ||
| And we go through this in some detail, drawing on the unbelievable resource that we've created at the Committee on the Present Danger of China, which you've done so much to help inspire and nurture, Steve. | ||
| Some 70 different webinars we've now produced, about an hour, hour and a half long in some cases, that have walked through in exhaustive detail how unrestricted warfare has been waged against us and with what effect? | ||
| And also, by the way, who's been helping them do it? | ||
| And over time, whether it's in this area of economic warfare, whether it's the elite capture that they've engaged in as kind of a part of their political warfare against us, their information operations, their energy warfare, their Working to take down our military, | ||
| that's another playbook item, by the way, with help from the Democrats, most especially in our Congress, you've seen over time them adjusting the correlation of forces, as the Soviets used to say. | ||
| And it's been through this succession of criminal acts against our country. | ||
| You often say, and you're absolutely right about this, what we're dealing with is not A Communist Party as much as it is a transnational criminal organization. | ||
| And in addition to the war crimes against us, it's engaged in the most horrific crimes against humanity in history. | ||
| And for all these things, all these reasons, it should be prosecuted at a minimum in the court of public opinion, if not through using actual military techniques. | ||
| To your question about, so what can we do to flip the tables on them with unrestricted warfare of our own? | ||
| I think the obvious place to start is by denying them the funding that they are using to do so much of the malevolent things they engage in around the world, including, by the way, helping the Russians in Ukraine. | ||
| That's mostly our money. | ||
| And if Wall Street and investors would simply stop putting their money over there, essentially found money, Discretionary spending money, it would begin to change the whole, I think, trajectory of what may be otherwise an unnecessary, avoidable and disastrous conflict of the old fashioned kind with China. | ||
| Frank, hang on. We're going to continue this conversation in just a minute. | ||
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Just watch and see. It's all started. | |
| Everything's begun. | ||
| And you are over. | ||
| Cause we're taking down the CCP. Spread the word all through Hong Kong. | ||
| We will fight till they're all gone. | ||
| We rejoice when there's no war. | ||
| Let's take down the CCP. Here's your host, Stephen K. Van. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
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| Frank Gaffney, you know, here's the thing. | ||
| The CCP is now playing a major role in this Ukraine situation, as we said it would. | ||
| It's coming in kind of bigfooting Biden and everybody. | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| This is their plan to control the Eurasian landmass. | ||
| It started years ago with One Belt, One Road. | ||
| Which they were going to use kind of predatory capitalism, the East India Company in reverse for elite capture and all that. | ||
| And they were building these connective tissues to tie together markets and networks all the way deep into Europe through the, you know, across the stands in Pakistan, Iran, all that. | ||
| Now they're actually putting together A alliance with the ayatollahs in Iran who just, you know, the Persians went and had a state visit to Beijing this week. | ||
| They've also been invited to Tehran. | ||
| They're gonna go. She's gonna go to Moscow. | ||
| He just left Saudi Arabia. | ||
| Iraq has notified us that their current massive oil deal, output deal with the Chinese, is not gonna be paid for and converted into dollars and paid for. | ||
| They're gonna do it in In the Chinese currency of Yuan, which is a game-changer. | ||
| They're getting close to the Turks. | ||
| They obviously have this partnership of what they call a bottomless partnership. | ||
| It's a core partnership. | ||
| It's like the Nazis and the Soviets in 1939. | ||
| This war now for the Eurasian landmass, is this the axis that we're looking at? | ||
| And if that's the case, and it's a two-front war in Ukraine or in that part of the Eurasian landmass, and then, you know, halfway across the world in the South China Sea and the Straits of Taiwan, in the United States, let's be blunt. | ||
| We don't have allies. | ||
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We have vassals. | |
| The two allies we have are small that are real allies are Israel and I guess still UAE who punch above their weight and India to a degree. | ||
| We have Japan, but these are all don't punch above their weight. | ||
| And we have Europe, which NATO's a group of deadbeats. | ||
| So how do we confront this? | ||
| How do we confront this economically? | ||
| How do we confront it politically? | ||
| How do we confront it with information warfare? | ||
| And most importantly, if we have to, how do we confront this kinetically? | ||
| Steve, it has to start with clearing our decks, to use an old naval term you're familiar with, of the people who are playing for the other team. | ||
| I don't know how to get around this, but you cannot conceivably Contend with an adversary that has been working as hard as the Chinese communists have, as we've discussed, for decades, with people in senior positions of leadership, | ||
| whether it's in government, and that means not just in the Biden administration, it means not just the president, by the way, but his senior Officials with portfolios that touch on China, basically throughout the government, they are all, well, compromised, I think, is not an adequate term for it. | ||
| They have all been making deals with the Chinese that I think constitute betrayal of our country. | ||
| You cannot have that. | ||
| Or in senior positions in business or the financial sector or the media or elsewhere. | ||
| This has to stop. | ||
| So one of our recommendations in the indictment, and we have 20 of them by the way, is not only we have to investigate those who have these kinds of ties, and we have to ensure their removal. | ||
| Whether it's through resignation, or whether it's through impeachment, or through firing, or whatever other means, they must no longer exercise control or power in our country. | ||
| Moving on from that, clearly we have to be thinking creatively about what do we do? | ||
| Let me come to the military piece of this in a moment, but I think it starts with, as we talked about earlier, putting our country on a war footing. | ||
| Clearly, we cannot continue to rely upon the Chinese for critical materials, critical minerals, critical commodities, critical chips, and so on. | ||
| There's too much of that. Medicine, there is way too much of that as it stands right now. | ||
| We will not be able to turn it off overnight, but we have to immediately begin tapering it off, diversifying our sources wherever we can, and with the utmost urgency on shoring, as they say, those critical supplies. | ||
| When we do that, I believe that we will find we have begun Combined with cutting off the funding to the Chinese Communist Party, which we spoke a moment ago, changing the dynamic that we currently face. | ||
| In addition, I think we have to be using our own supply chain leverage. | ||
| And we don't have a lot of it, but one area is food. | ||
| They're trying to buy up our agricultural land. | ||
| They're trying to buy up as much as they can of our food processing and production facilities. | ||
| What's left of them, many of them are burning up or having planes crash into them, unbelievably. | ||
| But what's left, the Chinese are trying to buy. | ||
| That has to be stopped. | ||
| And we ought to be making clear that you're talking about going to war with us? | ||
| We obviously are not going to be in a position to feed you in that circumstance. | ||
| We need to be moving, I think, as well to come to the military in a direction that a very impressive Air Force general officer by the name of Mike Minahan, a four-star who commands the Air Mobility Command issued a memo to his subordinates a month or so ago now, bracing, I thought, very impressively so, especially given the kind of environment he works in in the Biden military. | ||
| He said, we're going to be at war with the Chinese Communist Party by 2025. | ||
| Not because we want to, but they do. | ||
| And he thinks that's what's coming. | ||
| And he said to his troops, we need to begin training right now. | ||
| To use whatever capabilities we have to the fullest in order to maximize deterrence. | ||
| It'd be nice to be able to bring a lot more kit to bear. | ||
| We probably can't do that for the reasons we've been discussing. | ||
| But we can make more creative use of assets. | ||
| For example, he mentioned to his troops, look at getting our KC-135 tanker fleet configured to launch a hundred drones or and piloted aerial vehicles, as they're called, from them, creating swarms of offensively capable assets using existing equipment like those aircraft. | ||
| That's the sort of thing that we need to be doing urgently. | ||
| I don't know there's much of that going on. | ||
| In addition, I believe we need to be supplying what we can as a matter of the utmost urgency to Taiwan to increase the deterrent there To the Chinese aggression. | ||
| And that would mean, I think, putting American forces on the ground in numbers as well. | ||
| I think there's a small element there. | ||
| Let me stay with that. | ||
| I want to go back to the indictment for a second about when you're calling these guys out. | ||
| But let me deal with Taiwan right now. | ||
| This is what's driving me mad. | ||
| You can't possibly do that given the capacity. | ||
| We're at full capacity utilization. | ||
| They're working three shifts a day in these ammo plants. | ||
| And quite frankly, for the military industrial complex, it's the best thing to happen because the cash flow of this is enormous because they already have the invested plant. | ||
| This is just running the production line. | ||
| If you're at full capacity, and essentially all that capacity is going to Ukraine, and we know that the M1A1 tank production facility in Lima, Ohio, what I hear is not just a.31 M1A1 tanks that Captain Bannon forward deployed over there into the Baltics in Poland in the spring of 2014 when the U.S. government and Victoria Nuland took the democratically elected, | ||
| although Putin-aligned government down. | ||
| Not that these guys were thinking long-term. | ||
| Not that they had a plan long-term that they wanted to do here. | ||
| But that the second tranche of those M1A1 tanks have taken precedent over the ones that Taiwan has ordered and we've authorized. | ||
| So when you say we've got to send more arms and Taiwan's begging for it, when you've put everything you've got and all your forward capacity into Ukraine, how do you possibly do that? | ||
| It's not easy, obviously. | ||
| We've depleted, I think, our own resources. | ||
| We talked recently about the fact that we've gone into stocks that we have of some of this equipment in South Korea to send to Ukraine and also in Israel. | ||
| And I think these are strategic missteps, Steve, because my guess is that the next phase of this war, the Second Front, may well begin on the Korean Peninsula. | ||
| I think the North Koreans are being told by the Chinese, get ready, you're gonna be the leading edge, and they're certainly behaving that way. | ||
| But whether that's the case or not, having forward deployed stocks in theater is going to be critical. | ||
| Israel may well go for it with Iran any day now. | ||
| That theater is going to light up, it's my guess, because they sense that when even the International Atomic Energy Agency generally late to the party on the Iranian threat, is saying that they're now at an 85 percent enriched uranium threshold, which gets you pretty much into the zone for nuclear weapons purposes. | ||
| That's a threat to Israel's existence that cannot be tolerated. | ||
| So all of these things mean, I think we have to be ending some of this transcriptment that we cannot afford to make at the moment to Ukraine. | ||
| Hang on. Frank Gaffney is going to stick with us. | ||
| We're going to talk about the potential battlefields around the world. | ||
| Where do we stand with all that? | ||
| Also, we're going to go back to the, who has betrayed us already? | ||
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Only in the war room. How do we move toward an endgame? | |
| How do we move toward a negotiated peace? | ||
| Well, I think that's up for the Ukrainians to decide that. | ||
| So what is acceptable to Ukraine, that's territory intact, whatever that answer is going to be. | ||
| Is it militarily possible for us to get Russians, for the Ukrainians to get every Russian troop out of their country and Crimea? | ||
| I don't think it's militarily possible for the Russians to achieve their initial strategic objectives, political objectives, by military means. | ||
| I don't think that's possible anymore. | ||
| On the flip side, the Ukrainians, I think for this year, it would be very, very difficult, not impossible, but very, very difficult for the Ukrainians to achieve their political objectives. | ||
| And their stated political objective is for every single Russian to leave every single inch of Ukrainian territory. | ||
| I think that's a very high bar. | ||
| I think from a military standpoint only, that would be extraordinarily difficult to achieve militarily. | ||
| What is achievable, I think, is significant liberation of Ukrainian territory, and maybe, if we're lucky, touch wood. | ||
| The diplomats will enter the fray here, and they'll get to a negotiating table at some point. | ||
| I think, at the end of the day, President Biden, President Zelensky, every European leader said the same thing, which is this war will end at a negotiating table, and that's probably right. | ||
| Frank, when you were in the Pentagon in the 80s, when I was there in the early 80s as one of the age of the chief of naval operations, having come back off the fleet and my anti-submarine warfare destroyer, our mission and mandate was essentially hunting fast attack Soviet submarines. | ||
| The battle plan at the time, it was all about maneuver warfare. | ||
| Combined arms, maneuver warfare, deep interdiction. | ||
| Maybe it would lead to, if things didn't turn out right, it might lead to tactical nuclear weapons. | ||
| This is where they forward deploy the Persians, others. | ||
| But there was never a plan. | ||
| The least I saw, and I think I had to go through all of them and sit through all the meetings, where there was a World War I type just pounded out artillery shell for artillery shell. | ||
| As you've seen this Ukrainian war develop over the last year, and now they're just pounding each other relentlessly, and really we're feeding in all of our munitions. | ||
| I think the Chinese have already started supplying the Russians. | ||
| The only way really the Russians can keep up at it. | ||
| When you hear Milley sit there and admit that it's impossible to remove all Russians from all land, and we now call them war criminals, and he kind of flippantly says this will all end at the negotiating table. | ||
| Walk me through that. Did you ever see any plan for just this World War I type, in your face, trench warfare, attrition warfare? | ||
| And that means basically you run out of munitions, you run out of money, you run out of men. | ||
| And if it's all just to get to the negotiating table, why are they not at the negotiating table now? | ||
| Good question, Steve. I'm not sure that I saw all the plans that you saw, whether there was some contingency for a World War I-style thing somewhere in the files, I don't know. | ||
| But my guess is that we have not been terribly serious about warfighting on the European continent for decades, let's face it. | ||
| You mentioned earlier the hollowness, really. | ||
| of NATO's forces on the ground. | ||
| We, in the peace dividend moment, decided to withdraw a lot of our forces. | ||
| Some of them, Captain Bannon, among others, took back. | ||
| But still, it's a fraction of what it was at the height of the Cold War, for sure. | ||
| And most of those allies, I'm not sure I would characterize them as vassals, but I would certainly suggest that they're not armed for their self-defense. | ||
| And they are relying upon us to provide that defense to them. | ||
| Whether that's done through some kind of maneuver capability, whether it's done through advanced technologies that are more delivered by missile or by aircraft rather than on the ground, | ||
| whether the use of nuclear weapons is involved, are all things that I think have been not properly re-evaluated in light of very different circumstances that are unfolding today. | ||
| Just today, I think it was, Medved did yesterday, maybe the prime minister now. | ||
| Again, I think he's called, or maybe deputy president or whatever, something. | ||
| He and Vladimir Putin have exchanged places several times, and I can't quite keep straight what exactly his title is. | ||
| But he's a senior guy in the Kremlin, and he's talking about moving the eastern border of Poland. | ||
| And has NATO been properly thinking about that and preparing against that eventuality through any of these means? | ||
| Not clear. But I will say, if I could, Steve, I was intimately involved when I was in the Pentagon a long time ago in taking the steps that Ronald Reagan insisted upon to restore deterrence on the continent of Europe by deploying there two different systems, what were called intermediate-range nuclear weapons. | ||
| They were the Pershing ballistic missiles and the ground-launched cruise missiles. | ||
| And I was among those who argued vociferously that we should not go into an arms control deal with the then Soviet Union. | ||
| It required us to get rid of all of them, whilst they would still have considerable theater and tactical nuclear weapons, maybe not SS-20s, but maybe even those secretly. | ||
| But it was a moment, and I think it was actually decisive to the strategy that President Reagan executed, and you've chronicled it better than just about anybody, of using peace through strength and using our own unrestricted warfare against the then-Soviet Union and Soviet Communist Party to take them down. | ||
| And it was done without firing a shot in the end, partly because of that peace with strength strategy, the credibility of our deterrent, and more broadly, the will that Ronald Reagan exhibited to do just that. | ||
| None of those things are operating today, and I think our enemies are emboldened as a result. | ||
| When you talk about potential battlefields of maybe it starts in Korea, maybe it starts in the South China Sea, maybe it starts with an air-naval blockade of Taiwan, of which the American economy would crater, maybe it starts in the northwest frontier up with China, the CCP and the Indians are basically at bayonet's edge with each other. | ||
| Maybe it starts in the Middle East with Persia and Israel or maybe just metastasizes from Ukraine. | ||
| All of that is under the umbrella of potential strategic nuclear forces. | ||
| Talk to us about that because we really, in public discourse, We haven't talked about this in decades. | ||
| And now all of a sudden, you've got Putin making moves and jumping out of the START treaty. | ||
| And like I said, you know, my destroyer back in the old days, in the 70s and 80s, you know, everybody carried tactical nuclear weapons. | ||
| But it was not discussed. | ||
| And it was not discussed generally as policy. | ||
| Now on TV every day, you see on MSNBC and CNN, they've got these military analysts flippantly talking about low-grade tactical nuclear weapons in Crimea, in eastern Eastern Ukraine over there at the Russian-speaking border. | ||
| And now you've got Putin pulling out of the start and talking about redeploying your strategic weapons. | ||
| How close do you think we are? | ||
| Because we're normalizing even the discussion. | ||
| Trump came out the other day called the two N-words, right? | ||
| How concerned are you, since part of your professional career was doing this in Europe, are you today about the nuclear strike capability of all this and actually getting into a situation that people would be talking about using and actually maybe using nuclear weapons on a battlefield? | ||
| Again, just a little context. | ||
| I was working on that intermediate-range nuclear forces stuff as a deputy assistant secretary in the Pentagon for four years or so, with the responsibility of nuclear weapons policy and arms control. | ||
| So I was living and breathing this for the early part of my career, and I've been worried about it ever since. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| I think we have taken I guess the Brits expression is a busman's holiday for a couple of decades. | ||
| I think I mentioned to you the other day that we had essentially done nothing to modernize our nuclear arsenal. | ||
| I mean, there's been some service life extension programs, and we've retooled some of our warheads. | ||
| But we have not innovated, with the exception of some modernization programs that are now still five, six years out. | ||
| from replacing old missiles and old bombers and old sea launch ballistic missiles and submarines. | ||
| These are the sorts of things that should have been done all along. | ||
| We have not done it. | ||
| I'm convinced that the American people have not had any clue that the adults who they assumed were responsible for maintaining a credible nuclear deterrent We're not doing that. | ||
| We're not actually regularly testing. | ||
| We have not tested a nuclear weapon underground since 1992. | ||
| Vladimir Putin is threatening that he's going to do it if we do it. | ||
| Well, I haven't seen any sign that the Biden administration is even thinking about that. | ||
| They should, because we need to assure ourselves that those nuclear weapons that are aged And have actually been, in some cases, altered from their original design just to try to keep them going, will actually work. | ||
| But that's not really on the table. | ||
| But what has to be on the table is deterrence, credible deterrence. | ||
| And one of the steps that I think you asked earlier about, what could we be doing? | ||
| We could be re-placing on the Intercontinental-range ballistic missiles we have, the land-based ones that the balloon was overflying in Montana and Wyoming, and the submarine-launched ballistic missiles, full loads of the missiles, the warheads that they're capable of carrying those missiles. | ||
| That would very, very dramatically, I believe, increase the deterrent to these adversaries to contemplate nuclear strikes against us. | ||
| Something that they not only have been preparing assiduously for, both the Russians and the Chinese, but they've actually been exercising jointly to launch against us. | ||
| And again, this all bespeaks a seriousness of purpose that we have not evidenced, and we must, if we want to try to prevent What is, I believe, unavoidable and certainly undesirable conflict with these guys. | ||
| Frank, how can people get to the Center for Security Policy, all the great webinars, because for over a year now, I mean, for a couple of years we've been doing it, but you've had this webinar program of the Enemy Within and also the Enemy Without. | ||
| And also the indictment we know you're going to launch at CPAC. But where do people go to get all your information, the Real America's Voice show, all of it? | ||
| Well, it's a couple of sites. | ||
| The presentdangerchina.org is where you can not only see these webinars, the 70 in the recent series and others going back about four years since we started the program. | ||
| You can sign up, subscribe to get those notices and all sent to you directly. | ||
| It's presentdangerchina.org. | ||
| The website of our Center for Security Policy, which has an enormous amount of content both about China but also many other things, is at securefreedom.org. | ||
| Real America's Voice is where you can see our show. | ||
| We're very proud to be on that network with you, Steve, and you can also capture it and My daily commentaries, which I also would encourage you to subscribe to at securefreedom.org and securingamerica.tv. | ||
| And on social media, the usual at Frank Gaffney platforms. | ||
| Frank, thank you so much for taking time away from this. | ||
| Obviously, you're going to be a much bigger part of the show as we go forward in the early days of the Third World War, sir. | ||
| Thank you very much, Frank Gaffney. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. God bless you. | ||
| Man, what a mess. | ||
| What a mess we're in. It's incredible. | ||
| Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to come back. | ||
| I've got some closing observations and comments and also going to leave you with something that's high energy. | ||
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| that money matters more than humanity. | ||
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| They wore children, right there you see that incredible video by Max Evans. | ||
| You see the tale of three cities, East Palestine, Ohio. | ||
| Of course, the border down there, a lot of that footage is taken at El Paso, right? | ||
| El Paso, Yuma, it's a real Grand Valley. | ||
| You take your pick on the invasion of the southern border, the border that matters to us. | ||
| And of course, the Ukraine, And you've got, what is it, Senator Wicker of Mississippi, he's a Republican, talking about we have not ruled out first use tactical nuclear strikes. | ||
| The language is getting very loose, and what we're trying to do is tighten up here and make sure that you guys have the best understanding or provided the best information, whether that's about the financial crisis. | ||
| That we face the economic crisis or the early days of the Third World War as we slide more and more into a kinetic war. | ||
| So that's why that video with the Gimme Shelter and the war children I think is very, very appropriate. | ||
| Obviously in the coming week and next week at CPAC, you still can get your tickets. | ||
| Go to cpac.org slash war room. | ||
| You get 47 bucks off that. | ||
| We want to see everybody there. | ||
| We're going to have so many of the people that you see all the time. | ||
| You get to meet them. You get to hang out, ask their opinions. | ||
| Also, tonight I'll be in Oklahoma City with the Oklahoma County GOP for their Lincoln Reagan dinner. | ||
| I'm giving the talk, and it's at the Cowboy Hall of Fame. | ||
| I think it's called the Museum of Western Heritage. | ||
| It's absolutely one of the great museums in this country, and I couldn't be more excited. | ||
| So if you're in the greater Oklahoma area, you'll see it. | ||
| Captain Bannon and Grace will have it up in the... | ||
| In the live chats. And so we got a lot going on. | ||
| We're going to be fully deployed at CPAC. We want everybody there. | ||
| Also, one of the things we're going to be doing in the days and weeks ahead is because, look, all bets are off here. | ||
| I mean, you have people throwing around terms and about kinetic war that I didn't think I'd see again in my lifetime. | ||
| And having been on a Navy destroyer in the South China Sea in the Western Pacific, to think that, I don't know, 40 years, 50 years later, That you could have this, you could have loose talk that they're talking about, you know, nuclear weapons. | ||
| And we just got through what I think was at least a partial biological weapons attack. | ||
| We are in uncharted territories. | ||
| And that's why next week we're going to be launching is not just the indictment with Frank Gaffney. | ||
| We've got a totally free the Birch Gold. | ||
| We've done the entire third part talking about the debt trap of the fall of the dollar empire. | ||
| We think that everybody's got to immerse themselves now in alternatives and look at precious metals. | ||
| One way to do it is to understand what's happened to the U.S. dollar, the history of the U.S. dollar, and what it looks like in the future. | ||
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| You got the public SQ. One of the big things we're focused here is stop giving your money to people that hate you. | ||
| And one of the ways we're doing that is make sure that you immerse yourself and think about alternatives. | ||
| I want everybody to learn as much as possible about crypto. | ||
| That's where we have Mark Jetovic on here. | ||
| The FJB community, that's a community that we intend to grow and grow strongly and rapidly this year. | ||
| Also EnviroClans, which I've fallen in love with because it was one of my responsibilities on my destroyer. | ||
| Was the air system. | ||
| And right now, given what you've seen in East Palestine and what you're going to see more of as we get more into these hearings is going to blow you away. | ||
| And, of course, the guys at COVID Tax Relief, you know, if you went through PPP, you still got a shot for legislation already passed. | ||
| You're not shaking down the Treasury. | ||
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| We've got other sponsors, too. | ||
| We're going to make sure you get fully immersed in all of it. | ||
| Okay, I'll get a roll here. | ||
| We'll be back. I'll be up on Getter all weekend. | ||
| I want you to check it out there. | ||
| And of course, we're going to be back 10 a.m. | ||
| Monday morning where we are going to be discussing the early days of the Third World War, the American economy. | ||
| Congress is back. The investigation is going to start. | ||
| CPAC's next week. It's going to be wall-to-wall, jammed. | ||
| We'll see you at 10 a.m. | ||
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