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Feb. 15, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2520: Are We Speeding Towards A Hunger Cliff; The recession Of Christianity
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
How did doctor describe what happened to you?
you Um... Wow.
steve bannon
Welcome back to the War Room. It's the 15th.
It's Wednesday, the 15th of February.
We're halfway through this one, baby.
That is jaw-dropping Steve Cortez.
I mean, he's a very brave young man.
And his turnaround has been nothing short of miraculous.
Right. Correct me if I'm wrong, brother.
Was this not the most covered story for two weeks around when it happened?
Given not just him and how dramatic it was.
I was watching the game live.
It was incredibly dramatic how they saved him and all that.
Every single tiny piece of this story was covered into its total depth, not just by ESPN and the sports networks, but by major news networks, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, everybody all over it.
How did we just have that right there, sir?
steve cortes
Right. And by the way, it was hard to watch, wasn't it?
And let me be clear, by the way, I am not in any way blaming DeMar Hamlin because he perhaps has been put in an impossible spot, okay?
I'm blaming the corporate media for a total lack of curiosity, for a dereliction of duty regarding any journalistic pretense to get to the bottom of this story, and I'm certainly blaming The NFL and perhaps other organizations, including public health authorities like Fauci.
And let me tell you what I mean by that.
But first, just as a preface to this, you know, for folks out there in the audience who might not be sports fans, realize the power of the NFL and just how ubiquitous it is in American life.
You know, I'm probably like a lot of people in the audience.
I absolutely love football.
I loathe the NFL. But nonetheless, the power of the NFL, of the top 100 TV programs of last year of 2022, 82 of them were NFL. Okay, that's the power and reach of the NFL. Now, this incident, this tragedy, it occurred on a Monday night game.
So national television audience watches an athlete at the absolute peak of physical condition in a relatively routine tackle by NFL standards, Collapse.
Collapse into massive cardiac arrest and very nearly die.
In all likelihood would have died if it were not for extremely expert medical care being right there on the scene.
Now, it received a ton of attention as is warranted.
But what has received almost no attention from corporate media Is asking the critical questions of why did this happen to him?
For example, is it a congenital issue?
If it is, that's relatively easy to explain.
Okay? And maybe this young man, unfortunately, can't play football again.
Okay? What the media tried to do, though, was set up a diversion.
And the NFL tried to set up a diversion.
And they claimed it was this extremely rare incident called Comedio Cordis, only that explanation doesn't hold water at all.
Okay, now that didn't stop Tony Fauci from going himself on national TV, even though he had never inspected, had never done any care over DeMar Hamlin.
It didn't stop him from claiming definitively on national TV that it was Comedio Cordis.
But if you look into the incidents, very rare incidents of Comedio Cordis, you find that it happens overwhelmingly To very young men, to teen boys, and from a high-velocity projectile like a baseball or a hockey puck into the chest of underdeveloped teen men.
Okay, that's the reality of Commodio Cordes.
None of that exists here with Damar Hamlin and the NFL. So again, we don't know what happened.
I realize a lot of folks in the audience are Understandably, very, very suspicious that the VAX has a role to play here.
I have no idea if it did or didn't.
Nobody knows that. But here's the reality, Steve.
unidentified
The corporate media won't even ask the questions, right?
steve cortes
And when it did ask a question there, Michael Strahan, he just said, okay, we'll just move along and we're not going to pressure the NFL. No, no, no.
steve bannon
But let's hit the rewind for a second.
Of course, the corporate media, the producers gave this to Strahan.
They thought it was so perfunctory to have him talk about it.
They clearly didn't work it through him before the show.
They gave Strahan the question, this is a tee-up, just toss it to him, and we'll get the whole story.
That was shocked.
This shows you corporate media has absolutely no interest in the real answer, right?
Because they wanted to cut away as soon as the young man sat down and goes, well, I don't really want to get into it, right?
Now, this is the NFL's responsibility.
This is not the Buffalo Bill's owners.
This is not the Buffalo Bill coaches.
This is not Mr.
Hamlin, right? This is not the Strahan and his producers.
This is the National Football League needs to come forward and be blunt about this.
Am I incorrect in that, Steve Cortez?
steve cortes
No, you're 100%.
Because here's the reality, and here's the quandary for the NFL, for anybody who's being rational about this entire situation, is that if the NFL cannot provide an explanation, okay, if football is that dangerous that it can be deadly in an instant, to someone in peak physical condition, then guess what?
We shouldn't be playing football, okay?
So the NFL is really actually in a logical box here.
Now, unfortunately, corporate media won't hold the NFL's feet to the fire.
Why? Because where are their incentives?
Their incentives entirely because of 82 of the top 100 programs of last year being NFL, their incentives are completely to cater to and to coddle the NFL. Why?
Because it's so valuable, because it's such a valuable franchise.
For television, it's one of the last things on broadcast television that really, truly matters, right?
Where people really show up and watch.
So the incentives are completely, unfortunately, misaligned, and especially when it comes to the sports media.
The sports media, you know, just absolutely slobbers all over the NFL in an attempt to please the league.
But the reality is there's something going on here, Steve, and the American people naturally have questions and the American people are naturally concerned.
And it's not in any sense.
For example, we know factually, we know that excess deaths outside of COVID deaths, excess deaths, have risen considerably and stayed stubbornly high now three years into the pandemic.
What is the explanation for that?
A lot of folks out there naturally have suspicions that it's regarding the vaccine.
We don't know that, but here again, the total lack of curiosity from the corporate media.
When you have several thousand excess deaths every single week in America, and there's no conclusive explanation for that, in normal times, Corporate media would be all over that story trying to get to the bottom of it.
But why are they not? Well, one of the reasons might be that Big Pharma is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, advertisers for the legacy media, particularly for cable news.
So a total misalignment of incentives and a total conflict of interest regarding corporate media.
But Steve, lives are at stake here, potentially, and so these questions absolutely have to be asked.
steve bannon
Okay, the other one that's kind of slipped through, and only I think War Room and a couple of other people are talking about it, is the CDC now put the VAX for the kids on the requirements list.
It's the recommended list, but as you said, I think it was you yesterday said, that recommended list is taken by, I think, 24 states as like holy writ.
It's mandatory for the schools.
That's something that's not being covered by anybody, correct?
steve cortes
Correct. No, and listen, the recommendation from the CDC, particularly the blue jurisdiction, it might as well be a papal bull, right, okay?
That will come ex cathedra from Tony Fauci and his ilk, and the blue states will use that as a justification.
Believe me, I'm warning the parents in blue jurisdictions, this is coming your way.
Now that the CDC has officially added these new treatments, these new so-called vaccines to the child vaccination list, It is going to be mandatory for your children.
So the time to organize, the time to take action is right now to preclude this for the coming school year.
Because here's the thing, Steve, even if you believe in these vaccines, okay, and I certainly do not, but even if you do, any reasonable, logical person would say, but you know what?
Given that kids are not vulnerable, thank God, are not vulnerable to dire effects of this virus, you never give medicine, you never give any preventative treatment to people for a malady that does not materially affect That's just a precept of medicine.
It's just a logical and ethical foundation.
The idea that we're going to force, perhaps, and at the least from public health authorities, strongly recommend these medicines, these treatments, for children who are not vulnerable to the virus, Steve, that is an atrocity.
It's an outrage. And it's clearly only being pushed by a compromised public health apparatus at the direction of big pharma.
unidentified
That's the reality. First, do no harm.
steve bannon
Steve, let's let's pop into the let's pivot and talk about the lived experience of the American people in the economy.
steve cortes
Sure. So the economy, unfortunately, we got terrible news.
We talked about it a bit yesterday, but I think it's worth further inspection on inflation.
The corporate media here, once again, has failed in its duty and wants to sell us on a narrative, right?
That inflation has suddenly cooled and it's no longer a problem, just as they told us as it was building, that it was all transitory.
That was a lie. And now we got really bad news yesterday about a material uptick in inflation, that this situation is not under control, that the Fed doesn't have things under control.
And you know who believes that? Don't take Steve Cortez's word for it.
Let's take the bond market's verdict on this so far.
So if we look at chart number one, this is the yield curve.
This is the two-year versus 10-year Treasury yield.
And this chart that I'm showing you there goes all the way back to the 1970s.
I have more than four decades of data there, and I highlight For those who are watching and not just listening, I highlight in the yellow there, that is zero.
That is zero percent.
As you can tell, for almost all of history for the last 40 years, the yield curve is positive, meaning longer end rates are higher than shorter end.
That is a normal yield curve.
It's how the bond market normally functions.
It's how it should function in a proper economy.
On a few occasions, and they're notable because they're generally times of enormous economic stress, Like the 08-09 recession, like the dot-com bubble, like the 1987 stock market crash.
On these kinds of outlier occasions, the yield curve has briefly become inverted.
This current inversion is not brief at all, Steve.
And just yesterday, following the CPI news, We reached a new low for the yield curve at minus 83 basis points, meaning almost a full percentage point, two-year yield above 10-year yield.
It's the worst it's been, the worst inversion since the early 1980s, which was the last time we had this kind of inflation.
So what that signals to you is, if you're not somebody who watches the bond market historically, if you find bond math kind of mystifying, which I do understand, what this signals to you There is enormous stress in the system right now.
There is enormous worry from bond investors, who historically at least have been the most institutional, the most mathematically based, and the most prescient investors in the world, whereas stock investors tend to be a bit more, shall we say, emotional over time.
Bond investors are more important for the direction of the economy.
And part of why they're feeling this way, Steve, I'd like to get into the food prices if this is the right time.
steve bannon
Yeah, but it's a total, by the way, the 10-year bond, as everybody knows, the audience knows now, controls your life.
This is a full rejection of, this is the money speaking.
The money has fully rejected, essentially, the Biden business plan.
Is that a general way to tell the audience what's going on?
steve cortes
Correct, correct. This is an absolute bond market revolt.
And remember, think of the bond market as essentially the banker.
The banker is revolting against the customer, the customer being the government of the United States, a full bond market revolt.
And this is why the interest rate, the debt service situation for the United States, our debt, which was always problematic and always too big, it becomes an absolute crisis now because of this yield curve inversion that we're talking about.
steve bannon
Christ. Pivot to food.
Talk to me about the lived experience of Americans.
steve cortes
So food prices. And by the way, CBS, I don't often give them credit.
They did some really good reporting here.
And they talked about a hunger cliff.
I think this is really important.
A hunger cliff is looming because 32 states in America, which have been paying Enhanced food stamps, very juiced up, more generous food stamp allowances than before because of the pandemic.
Okay, that started in 2020.
It is just about to end.
It has to end in March.
Right now, Steve, this is what the CBS report says.
A family of four is going to see a $328 per month cut to their food stamp allowance.
An elderly person who's getting the minimum is going to go from $281 a month to only $23 a month.
That map there shows in the dark green, those are the states that are about to cut the food stamp allowance.
The reality is unfortunately right now, 42 million Americans are on SNAP, which is the acronym for what is colloquial known as food stamps.
That is 6 % higher than it was in 2020.
Steve, the reality is these people are being taken off food stamps at a time of double-digit food inflation in the United States.
steve bannon
Incredibly dangerous. At 23 bucks, you can buy a couple of dozen eggs, right?
That's where we are right now.
Short break. Cortez, just hang with me.
I know you've got to go, but I need you for a couple of minutes.
I've got Brett. We're going to go to England and Europe and talk about the Scottish Prime Minister dropping out because of her pronouns.
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Cortez, I know you're going to bounce real quickly.
Just explain to people once again what the hunger cliff is, as reported, I think, by CBS News.
What is the hunger cliff?
And this gets back to the fact of we're not creating great jobs.
For the American working class.
What we're doing is a flood in the zone with six million illegal aliens to compete with them and they're bragging about it.
Powell's bragging about how they're breaking the wages of the working class.
This gets to why you gotta be on food stamps.
These are tips the government's giving you.
This is nothing but tip money.
Now you're going to go for a cliff because the phoniness of the emergency authorization he's got, the emergency powers comes due, and that means you're going to stop printing so much of this money and just spending, spending, spending.
steve cortes
Steve Cortez. So 42 million Americans literally cannot feed themselves right now.
42 million Americans are on food stamps.
That is 6 % worse, 6 % higher than the worst levels of the lockdowns of 2020.
Now, Steve, to your point, I'm not trying to demonize these people.
A lot of them are hardworking, okay?
They are the working poor.
They are middle-class people who simply cannot afford the necessities of their lives under Joe Biden.
That's the reality. And by the way, To the foundational problem, which I think you were alluding to, if we didn't have the United States of America, the ruling class of this country, sell out U.S. manufacturing and U.S. jobs to China, we wouldn't have 40 million people in the first place on food stamps because they would be making a great living wage here in the United States.
We would have maybe 4 million people if we didn't have an open border, rather than 40 million American citizens on food stamps.
But here's the reality that these tens of millions of people face.
For the last three years, In most of the states of this country, they have gotten extremely enhanced benefits.
In other words, the benefits were more generous.
They were juiced to deal with the effects of the pandemic and the lockdowns.
32 of those states coming this March in just weeks are going to go back to regular allocations of food stamps.
And what that means For a family of four, it's an over $300 a month cut to their SNAP, which is the acronym for food stamps, to the SNAP allowance.
For an elderly person who's on the minimum level of food stamps, they're going to go from $281 a month to $23 a month, and this in an era of double-digit So not only are they seeing their benefits massively cut, but on top of that, going into the grocery store, trying to afford food on their own, that is extremely elevated in price.
That's why it's being correctly described as a hunger cliff that is facing this country.
steve bannon
Okay, for the folks out here, you're the chairman of the creditors committee.
And I didn't say that was going to be a day at the beach.
It's going to be tough. And you're going to be called a lot of things.
Remember MAGA, the deplorables, the extremist MAGA Republicans.
Since you're the adults in the room and you're chairman of the creditors committee, Remember when you first heard about the Hunger Cliff, because you're gonna get that put up in your grill when we start talking about the debt ceiling and the cutting massive cuts in the appropriations bill.
We can't afford... You're gonna have...
They're gonna be in your grill about how heartless you are, how this is back to Victorian England, right?
You're just cruel, you're heartless, all of it.
It's coming. The heartless ones are the ones that stripped this country of its jobs, shipped them overseas, and allowed six million illegal aliens to come in the country to compete.
To compete with low-skill workers.
That's the heartlessness.
Cortez, your analysis is always brilliant.
How do people get to you? What are your coordinates so people can get to you and get all your content 24-7?
steve cortes
Thank you, sir. Yes, please follow me on the Twitter.
I'm at CortezSteveCortez with an S. Thank you much.
steve bannon
Thanks, brother. Dave Brat, I've asked Dave Brat to join us, the Dean of the Business Group.
Brat, you have focused on, you know, instead of having the phony financial economy where we just keep printing money to the Federal Reserve to pay for all the madness, right, including the $100 billion thing, you focused on the real economy and the productivity of it.
Walk me through what you got, sir.
dave brat
Yeah, well, this just follows up perfectly with what Cortez just got done highlighting, right?
The jobs, unfortunately, what I'm about ready to show is not good news for jobs going forward.
You highlighted immigration.
He also highlighted the inverted yield curve, which always foreshadows the recession coming.
And most people out there are used to thinking about a recession in the way they learned economics.
You don't like a recession, but in the past, they have the positive property that they get rid of the bad firms and the rot.
The people who made bad decisions go bye-bye.
Unfortunately, that is no longer the case.
Right now, with the $9 trillion on the Fed balance sheet and the massive federal dominance, the federal spending, They subsidize the failing firms, and I'll get to that in a very close, but anytime you hear the word environment now, you just know that's a subsidy going to someone whether they care about the environment or not.
It's just socialism and the big administrative state coming to the rescue of their friends.
And so we don't have a working economy.
How do we know that?
Well, you go to the leading scholar on productivity for the past 50 years.
Productivity has been going down.
Robert Gordon at Northwestern is the man recognized by everybody.
He's got a new NBER. That's where the highest end journal articles originate.
And they're peer reviewed by the top economists in the world.
So he's got a piece in here from the middle of 2022.
With some updates to productivity and some errors some folks are making right now, but it's not good news again.
It's more of the same long-term trend with productivity going down for 50 years.
So if the guys want to put up the first slide, there's your 70-year trend.
Starting on the left, you can just see productivity is going down, down, down.
There's a nice little blip at about 2000.
That's the dot-com bubble.
But then from 2000, All the way to 2023, it's just going straight down.
And productivity is your real economy.
So when we say the real economy is a carcass laying there, that's it, with productivity at roughly 1%.
And then the question is, what comes next?
And so Gordon, in his article, he contrasts that the teens, right, the The 2010 to 2020 decade had only 1 % growth.
The dot-com era had 3 % growth, and the long-term productivity was about 2.5 % from 1950, from the end of World War II until today.
And his paper, I'll put this up at Brat Economics on Getter, goes into some highlights on the coronavirus and the effect of the shutdown on our economy.
And ironically, productivity goes up through the roof a little bit in the folks who work from home.
But what the paper shows is that is going away.
That is a big data error.
And what we should expect, he says, this assessment leaves no room for a pandemic-era revival in productivity growth, as has been widely suggested.
Instead, there appears to be a consistent growth rate of about 1 % in productivity going forward.
And so, no good news.
He brings the data on productivity right up to the current date today and says, the next few quarters, what you're going to have is rehiring And lower productivity, rehiring from the hiring we had prior to the pandemic.
We're rehiring folks back into the economy.
That'll actually decrease productivity.
And the next chart, I can go through the next two in 30 seconds.
The next chart, just look at the top four bars, the color chart.
You got the goods, the work from home folks, the contact services who have to be with people is the little blue bar.
That's 2010 to 2019 productivity, all less than 1%.
That's what we're working off of.
And for the economists out there, the 2020 to 22 bars, you can go research that.
But you can see the purple bar kind of offsets the blue bar.
The purple is positive, the blue is negative.
So next slide, I just want to get to one before that.
It's a chart. Looks like it's a bunch of boring numbers.
Yeah, right there. This thing, you can see the 2010 in the far left, the time period, go down to 2010, and you see the total economy productivity is 0.64, 0.88.
And then look at the business versus non-business productivity.
So this is the problem right now with our economy and why we have long-run trend problems.
We're not highlighting the business sector anymore, the small business in particular, where everything's the government and the Federal Reserve.
Well, look at the productivity numbers under non-business, right?
0.51, 2010 for a decade, negative 0.09 in the non-business government and non-profit sectors.
Versus the business sector, right?
So there's your bottom line.
steve bannon
Okay, let me pull the camera back.
You hang on through the next break.
I know you've got to bounce. Here's what it is.
And this gets back to the deplorables of being chairman of the creditors committee.
This is all a con and a scam.
All this government spending, the way they juice this, if you don't have 2.5 % to 3%, historically since World War II, 2.5%, and back in those days, it was real economic growth.
If you don't have 2.5 % to maybe 3 % of real economic growth, real growth, not the phony finance capitalism growth, you can't prosper as a society.
This is the key point.
Okay? All they're doing, and this is gonna get to the nasty fights that are ahead of us.
The nasty fights that are ahead of us is that you as the adults in the room are gonna say, hey, guess what?
This model's not working.
And I know it's not working because the bond market's throwing up on it, right?
We can't continue to print money.
We're burying our kids.
There's no jobs around here.
You can see that. Okay?
We have to go to another model.
And we're going to do it, and the first thing we're going to do is we're going to stop this insane government spending, and we're not going to lift the debt ceiling.
We're going to use that as a leverage point.
Brat, hang on for a second, because we're getting down to brass tacks.
We're going to go back. We've got Dave Brat at Liberty.
We're going to go to England and talk about the Scottish Prime Minister.
Because of her transgenderism, her bill, she is now out.
She quit. New Zealand first, her second.
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dave brat
Yeah, well, so as you said, the real economy now is a scam.
The administrative state has made its march through the institutions, owning the woke CEOs, education, everything.
All your folks know that.
Take a look at this last chart.
The whole proposition now is the environment dominates and should eclipse anything else you care about.
We should give up the entire free market system, our constitutional government and freedoms because of the environment because it's so important.
Well, here's the receipts on the environment.
The curve going straight up through the roof is GDP growth.
That's all good news.
It's slowing, but it's going up.
Vehicle miles traveled.
We're traveling a lot of miles.
Population is down in the middle.
It's blue. It's going up a little bit.
It needs to go up more. from folks inside the borders.
But look at the bottom lines.
Energy consumption is about flat.
CO2 emissions are going down and aggregate emissions, which just means you add them all up, are going way down and less than they were back in 1970 on the far left of that graph.
So we're supposed to give up the engine, the capitalist engine that made us all rich and gave us the lifestyle that's envied around the world On behalf of this environment, what the environment really means is go socialist, go central planning, go ESG, ship half your pension funds over to China, who is socialist in a totalitarian surveillance state.
And so I just wanted to offer up these receipts right here.
That graph right there is just staggering.
When you look at the improvements, it turns out capitalists and rich people and the middle class and the war room folks all do like clean water and clean air.
And we've made it happen using freedom.
And so that's the grand finale.
steve bannon
Dave Brat, we're going to get back on.
I want to talk about that. I love that.
I have a question or two, but now's not the time.
But it's brilliant. How do people get to you and get all the...
You're putting up charts and analysis all day long now.
dave brat
How do people get to you? Yeah, just go to Brat Economics, B-R-A-T Economics on Getter.
And I post all these charts.
They'll be posted there by the end of the day.
And I try not to repeat.
So I go subject by subject.
And then parents, bring your young scholars to liberty.
Third floor of the business school.
I'm in all day. I got an open door policy.
Love meeting the young folks.
And so bring them here.
God bless everyone.
steve bannon
Keep the faith. You're running a great program down there, Brad.
Thank you. And thank you for analysis.
unidentified
Thanks, Steve. Got to get productivity up.
steve bannon
Don't get productivity up.
They're going to continue to sit here and say you got to print money.
Death spar for the economy.
Let's go ahead and play the cold open for my next two guests.
unidentified
Well, let's step away for a moment and look at other news.
And in the past hour, Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has announced her resignation after more than eight years.
She's been in the position since 2014.
Sturgeon will remain leader of Scotland's government until a successor is appointed.
This decision is not a reaction to short-term pressures.
Of course there are difficult issues confronting the government just now, but when is that ever not the case?
I have spent almost three decades in frontline politics, a decade and a half on the top or second top rung of government.
When it comes to navigating choppy waters, resolving seemingly intractable issues, or soldiering on when walking away would be the simpler option, I have plenty of experience to draw on.
So if this was just a question of my ability or my resilience to get through the latest period of pressure, I wouldn't be standing here today.
But it's not. This decision comes from a deeper and longer-term assessment.
steve bannon
Okay, that is a real Trump hater right there.
You think New Zealand and Scotland.
Okay, Peter McIlvenna from Hearts of Oak.
I also have our own Ben Harnwell.
Peter, what was the real reason that she essentially got forced out or quit today and shocked kind of the woke left, sir?
peter mcilvenna
Poor Nicola Sturgeon.
She's been stressed, dear lover.
But the real reason is, I mean, The SNP have moved away from being a Scottish National Party, wanting independence for Scotland, and they're really focusing more on a whole progressive agenda.
So I'll touch on that in a bit.
But the main reason was, and the flack that she has got, is the gender recognition reform bill that they've tried to push through and actually was blocked by Westminster for the first time since devolution, I think.
And that would have given, instead of being over 18 and deciding what gender you want to be that day, actually that would have reduced down to 16.
16-year-olds deciding they want to change gender and also would change the requirement of a two-year So for two years you need to be living in your new assumed gender.
It would reduce that down to three months with no medical checks.
So literally a 16-year-old after three months can then announce that they want to change their gender and they would get the gender recognition certificate.
steve bannon
Okay, hold it, hold it, hold it.
You've got to help me out here.
I've got one more second. One of the best little books out there is how the Scots invented the modern world, one of the poorest nations in Europe, and it transformed itself and became a leader.
You know, the Scotch-Irish here.
This is one of the greatest countries on earth.
How do we get into this madness?
And by the way, it's not just progressive.
This group is one of the most radical in the Judeo-Christian West and also the most radical in the world.
Am I incorrect in that, Peter?
peter mcilvenna
Yes, and they're more or less bankrupting Scotland.
So over, certainly under Nicola Sturgeon's eight years as leader of the SNP and, in effect, First Minister or Prime Minister of Scotland, they pushed through free tuition, free childcare, free bus passes for everyone under 22, free prescriptions, so picking up your medicine all free, free school meals.
It was the first government in the world to declare a climate emergency.
Now, the only emergency Scotland has is too wet and too cold.
No fracking, completely banned fracking.
Every child got money to buy a school uniform.
It was the first country in the world to implement minimum unit pricing for alcohol.
So now alcohol in the North is horrendously expensive and the Scots are known for being good drinkers.
Free children's bikes for everyone.
The list of freebies is crazy and out of control and basically Scotland are funded by the English in Westminster.
But that's the agenda.
I think that will remain.
I'm hoping, I'm praying, that with the change of leader, that we have a change in direction away from the crazy gender ideology that she has pushed.
But I don't know whether you'll have a change in all the freebies and those policies, but there will be a change in direction and probably focusing once more on independence, which was the SNP's reason.
steve bannon
But for people that are so common sense and kind of hard-headed, right?
The Scotch-Irish here, you get the Presbyterians, you know, the Stonewall Jacksons.
These are people that when they're focused, you know, they're born fighting.
And when they're focused, they're focused.
You're not going to get them off it. How did that get, how did the gender, the most radical parts of the gender ideology take over Scottish political leadership?
Tell us how that happened.
peter mcilvenna
Well, it happened under the umbrella of independence.
I know when I talk to Scottish friends who have voted for the SNP because they want independence at all costs, because of the hatred of the English, and that's the SNP's umbrella policy.
But many people vote for the SNP and they say, you know, we don't like all these other policies, but we need to be rid of the English.
And that kind of inbuilt hatred derives in the vote for a party that has taken that because they are the only party wanting independence and allowed them to do everything else they've wanted to.
So you've had crazy, far, far communist politicians leading the SNP that have abused the mandate they have received for independence and used it for something completely different.
Now, support for the SNP has dropped considerably.
I think there are 20,000 to 30,000 members have left the SNP. So they're facing a problem within the party.
And I think they have decided that actually Nicola Sturgeon is too divisive a figure.
And maybe this gender stuff needs to be put to the side.
But it's under that we need independence and to be able to slip in a lot of other issues that people don't like but will kind of nod and accept simply because the hatred of the English.
steve bannon
Peter, how do people get to Hearts of Oak?
What's your coordinates? How do people get more access to you, your content and your show?
peter mcilvenna
So, at Hearts of Oak, on Getter, Truth, Gab, and then on the website, heartsofoak.org forward slash livestream.
You can watch all our videos there.
steve bannon
Peter, thank you so much.
Honored to have you on here. Let me go to Rome and to Ben Harnwell.
Ben, you were in commons in the European Parliament as a factotum.
Explain to me the madness here.
By the way, I should just give you an answer.
I went over and gave a speech that the Financial Times put on in 17 in Scotland.
Right before Christmas, and they had a dinner with the Prime Minister.
It's a big deal. I'm up there with all the swells, giving them my brilliance.
And she's supposed to be there for dinner.
She basically said, anybody who worked for Trump, I hate Bannon just a little bit less than I hate Trump.
And she didn't come. I think the first time that a Scottish Prime Minister stiffed these guys, because it's a big deal, wouldn't come.
Wouldn't want to be in a room with anybody associated with Trump.
So, a true hater.
Ben Harnwell, you see it from Rome, this radical gender ideology.
How did this take over the hardcore left throughout Europe, but particularly in Scotland?
ben harnwell
Well, you know, it's a long transformation, not only in Scotland.
Right throughout the West.
And I think, fundamentally, the reason is with the collapse of the Berlin War 30 years ago, the left, really, once the economic platform fell to the floor, it spent a generation and a half searching for a new identity.
And when, of course, the globalists at the World Economic Forum and what have you, they successfully inserted into the reason for being of these left-wing parties, but not only on the left wing, a totally foreign and alien agenda.
And I think that's really the problem that Nicola Sturgeon faced.
Who I always credited with being quite a...
I mean, obviously, I don't support her politics, but I always credited her with being quite an accomplished and capable politician in a way that I never rated Jacinda.
Ardern, whom you were referring to a short while ago, the resigned in disgrace Prime Minister of New Zealand, who I always thought was just basically a waste of space and fundamentally incapable.
I would sooner compare Nicholas Sturgeon to Angela Merkel, who, again, I'd say a relatively competent, experienced political leader, found herself breaking the back of her own political career because she found herself unable to resist the globalist agenda.
Now, in the German case, it was the open borders.
They just haven't accepted a couple of million asylum seekers from Syria in a very short time.
And, of course, that just finished her political credibility totally.
In the Scottish case, even though she has...
Well, you know what? I'll give away for the break and I'll explain exactly what went down in Scotland because it's absolutely terrifying.
steve bannon
Perfect. I think this may have something to do with the collapse of Christianity.
Just saying. Remember, this is Scotland, folks.
Scotland. Back in a moment, we're also going to pick Ben's brain on the Financial Times getting wobbly on the Ukraine next in the war room.
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Also, back here at 5 to 7 at night.
It's going to be wild. We've got so much.
The Chinese. We've got Ohio.
We've got AI. 5 to 7 at night.
Pac. Charlie Kirk right after us.
Ben Harnwell. Let's cut to the chase.
Correct me if I'm wrong, brother, but what we're seeing in this, and remember, what she tried to force on the Scottish people is so radical about this gender ideology.
And this is Scotland, the practical hard-headed Scots.
This is St. Andrews and Braveheart for those that have never gone there, right?
But it is a fabulous country with fabulous people.
And they're so practical.
They've done so much for America.
It's coming here as the Scotch-Irish, right?
The born fighting crowd that all the way down from New York, all the way through Appalachia, right, has added so much to this country.
And the backbone, they are the deplorables.
How does this happen? This is the collapse of Christianity, is it not, sir?
ben harnwell
It is. And I declare an interest that my grandmother, my late grandmother, was from Dundee.
It is. I mean, fundamentally, this is the...
The paradigm that underwrites the whole of the political discourse in the West.
Because Christianity proposed an understanding of man, that every single person was of infinite value, unique, irrepeatable, made in the image and likeness of God.
And that's there in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
And what we've had after two centuries of increasingly militant and hardline and intolerant secularism is the redefining of what man is.
Basically, man being, to go back to Greek philosophy, a social animal.
But the difference is this.
Under the Judeo-Christian anthropology of what man is, man has his own dignity, his own rights, his own value, before he enters society, because it's part of his ontology, if you'll let me.
It's part of his being, right?
The modernist projection says that man only has a person, a human being, only has any value or dignity to them once they enter society, because it's part of their role, their participation in society, that gives a person their value.
Well, these are irreconcilable, contrasting viewpoints.
And the fundamental is because when you have a society built with individuals, you have a liberal democracy.
When you have a society which is basically a collective, a social collective, you then have totalitarianism.
And what we're seeing as we're moving along the sliding scale here as human history winds along its path is the receding, the recession of Christianity as the bedrock of our culture is giving way to a totalitarian society.
And of course, that's why, as Peter was saying correctly before, that without even thinking about it, Nicola Sturgeon started pushing all these communist policies in Scotland.
I dem Angela Merkel, I dem Jacinda Merkel.
And it's the same the leftover.
And this is the reason why.
Because the left doesn't believe that a human being in and of themselves has an infinite value to them.
They believe that they, as the overlords of society, get to say what the value is for a human being or what it isn't.
They can give and take away according to as they define it.
Bills of Rights and Constitutions.
That's the horror of the situation that we're moving to.
It's something that we as defenders of the Judeo-Christian West are absolutely implacably opposed to.
I don't know if you want to cover in the closing minutes exactly what happened in Scotland.
steve bannon
I tell you what. Let's pivot.
I want to hold that. I want to hold that and get a deeper dive on that maybe tomorrow.
Real quickly, I just want to turn because I've got to get back to the FT here.
The hot new book among all your betters, the World Economic Forum crowd, is Martin Wolf's Crisis of Democratic Capitalism.
This is the book that's out right now.
Wolf is the lead columnist for the Financial Times of London.
I just got to get to the Ukraine of it all.
The new intervention is laden with risk by Martin Wolf.
This is like, gee whiz, this new intervention is laden with risk.
Yeah, we told you that a year ago before you killed 50,000 Ukrainian civilians.
Your thoughts on this from your seat in Rome, Ben Harnwell.
ben harnwell
Well, jump from one of my favourite hobby horses to another one.
The issue here about the new interventionism is exactly the problem that we had with the Naocon project of nation-building.
It's not so much that these people believe that you can, with enough dollars, recreate Societies that don't have the cultural underpinnings to produce a Western law-abiding democracy.
The problem with nation-building or new interventionism or whatever the present name is, is that it's an opportunity for grift.
for the overlords.
That's the reason why everyone watching the war must be opposed to this project, because it's yet another justification behind which the sociopaths that misgovern us can take ever more money from our bank accounts, from our money supply, and leave us in poverty.
steve bannon
Ben, how do people get to War Room Rome?
How do they get to all the stuff you're putting up all the time?
We're going to get you back on probably tomorrow to continue on this because the Scottish question is quite important for everyone in the world to understand exactly how this happened to one of the greatest countries and one that arguably invented the modern world.
Ben, how do people get to you?
ben harnwell
I'm on Getter.
Either go to the app or The Getter app or go to getter.com on your internet browser.
Just go at Harnwell and there I am with my contributions.
steve bannon
Ben Harnwell, thank you very much.
Appreciate it. Thanks, Steve.
God bless. Grace and Moe, make sure you know what time it's up, the War Room Rome, and we translate it into English so that you guys can all see it.
Okay, Charlie Kirk follows us.
We're going to be back 5 to 7.
I'm going to play a little of the Ronnie Jackson, maybe even the 5 o'clock hour.
I've got Navarro, I've got Monica Crowley, we have some other folks.
But I've got to play this, his concept of the purge of the institutions of government.
It's something we have to focus on.
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