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Because we're going medieval on this, people. | |
President Trump got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
It's going to happen. | ||
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
Put the right people in place and in power to take action and And so we watch as authoritarian states take advantage of that open information space and you know, promote their own narratives and exacerbate divisions in our society. And I think this is something that, you know, is sort of a growing area for intelligence communities, | ||
as I watch so many of my kind of interlocutors begin to develop, you know, sort of offices and centers and so on, looking at far and malign influences, it's sometimes referred to and, you know, and thinking about how do we manage this in our areas. | ||
And in the context of Russia, Ukraine, I thought it was really interesting. | ||
I learned certainly a lot of lessons through the experience and among them was in this space. | ||
So we obviously tried to counter Disinformation that the Russians were putting out, we saw that they were looking to create a pretext for the invasion. | ||
And we wanted to sort of debunk that and help people understand that this was a false narrative. | ||
And so by finding ways to declassify certain information, while still trying to protect our sources and methods so we don't lose the access that is so critical to our work. | ||
you know, we were able to have an impact in a sense on the conversation about this. And yet at the same time, what also is clear as you sort of look back at the situation is that our impact was far greater in the West than it was in other places in the world, right? So when it came to Russia, we had basically no impact. You know, the people of Russia had controlled information provided to them for the most part, very hard to penetrate in effect. | ||
But we also saw, you know, you can sort of understand that in the Russia space, you recognize how much effort the Russian government, Putin, puts into controlling information in Russia. But what we also saw was that we were not that impactful in other countries that already had sort of taken on the narrative of what the Russians were pushing. And the Russians engaged in a very concerted information campaign around the world on these issues. | ||
And one of their main narratives is that the United States is provoking this conflict and that NATO and Ukraine are, you know, setting the conditions and threatening Russia and that sort of forced them into this position. | ||
And, and in fact, when you are pushing out information to population that is already skeptical of you, it's much harder to gain traction. | ||
in those scenarios. So we sort of we recognize that we were able to have impact I think in countering disinformation but that there were limits on what we were able to do and that we needed to understand that in order to really understand how we can counter this moving forward. | ||
So let me pick up a few of those themes. | ||
I think I agree with the thrust of your argument there. | ||
The first thing around declassification of intelligence. | ||
As a 30-year intelligence professional, this is quite hard in many ways, and I think our people find it quite hard. | ||
You've put a lot of effort into getting secret intelligence, but I always think there's no point collecting it unless you use it. | ||
The sea change we've seen during this conflict, of getting the intelligence out there and using it to pre-bunk, to try and undermine that sort of narrative, I completely agree with that. | ||
But of course it is also the case, as you've said, that for much of the world they haven't completely bought into that side of the argument. | ||
And much as we know it to be truthful, there are different and counter-narratives running in. | ||
Natalie Winters, that is so jaw-dropping. | ||
They aren't even shy about it anymore. | ||
They're not even shy about it. | ||
These are not two MSNBC analysts. | ||
This is not two of the kind of the weirdos you see up on MSNBC or even CNN just talking smack all the time. | ||
This is the head of the British intelligence and Admiral Haynes Talking about, on BBC, and he's the interviewer, the pre-bunking. | ||
By the way, I'd like everybody, I was thinking as that's going on, David Halberstam, who wrote the best and the brightest about the debacle that became Vietnam. | ||
...is rolling over in his grave to even listen to this. | ||
The New York Times and the Washington Post, all of you guys on the Pentagon paper, are you kidding me? | ||
Compare what we went through on the Pentagon papers to get the Pentagon papers out there? | ||
And think about what she just said in relation to the Pentagon papers and even certain aspects of Watergate, Natalie Winters. | ||
I am gobsmacked about this interview and how brazen they are now. | ||
They're just up in your grill. | ||
Ma'am. | ||
Yeah, I don't know how anyone can come away from that interview and not really come to the conclusion that our intelligence agencies, not just here in the United States, but really in the West, have declared, I think, a full-blown information war on us. | ||
And just for context, the people speaking, that's DNI Avril Haines and the director of the Government Communications Headquarters, the GCHQ, Um, over in the UK, which, like I said, is Britain's largest intelligence agency. | ||
So these are not just some random people. | ||
These are the people at the top of the food chain making the decisions about how intel is either used for purposes of, you know, pre-bunking and debunking and post-bunking misinformation, um, or that the federal government, you know, would not play a role in this kind of misinformation landscape. | ||
But I think it gets back to the central issue, which honestly, I think will be the biggest issue, not just of 2023, but going forward, but really is this fusion between the public and the private sector and getting to determine what exactly constitutes misinformation. And I think what we're seeing really is a fundamental push from the intelligence agency, the intelligence community, which really is the backbone, is the spine of the administrative | ||
state to really just do away with the First Amendment. | ||
to do away with freedom of speech, I wouldn't be surprised if they and the Democrats they control try to amend the First Amendment to put disinformation as a class of, you know, speech that's not protected. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, yeah, yeah. Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. | ||
Because we can't get into a First Amendment, because this is, I almost think they want to do it. So there's some marginal changes. The whole show today is, uh, of a whole cloth. | ||
Starting from from from Flynn That's why I had Flynn on with that piece and talk about the World Economic Forum in Ukraine. | ||
And then the Rasmussen poll and the Rasmussen information, given given what we've said, the biomedical security state, then Andy Biggs. | ||
The reason we're having this fight in the House. | ||
Natalie, you have to go after the administrative state, Hammer and Tong now. | ||
It's not any marginal law that we increase. | ||
This is not even about free speech. | ||
They're so brazen, they've tossed that aside. | ||
This is about their total and absolute control over you and what is the narrative and what the narratives you're going to sign up for. | ||
Look what she said about the Ukraine. | ||
Yes, there are open questions about The escalation, the escalatory policy of the regime that's in Washington, D.C. | ||
right now, and about Ukraine, and the money laundering in Ukraine, everything about Ukraine, why we spent $100 billion, and they're sitting there right there, yo, those are the ones we gotta take care of out of the box. | ||
I think this is so much deeper than just First Amendment. | ||
The administrative state and its information war against the American people, and free people everywhere, the Five Eyes program is what you told, in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Great Britain, This is so fundamental, and this is why you're having this huge fight over Kevin McCarthy. | ||
Because you have to go and take this, you have to, and he's promised, remember, he's promised a Joint Select Committee on going after the weaponization of government. | ||
He's promised that. | ||
And people are still saying that's not good enough because you don't have the stones to see it through to the end. | ||
That's what this is going to be about. | ||
That's why we had Flint at the beginning. | ||
This is about understanding the problem, but understand how endemic it is, that this is just not some sort of, you know, marginal thing on some law we got to get passed or repeal the Patriot Act. | ||
It's so much deeper than that. | ||
Natalie Winters, and look, you've been the top thing on Fauci. | ||
Look at what's happening with Rasmussen poll today, the Fauci drop later in the week. | ||
Ma'am? | ||
Well, I think the kind of contingent that is the World Economic Forum, really the globalist kind of ruling class, if that's what you want to call it. | ||
I think it's easy to see what they want to do when it comes to national sovereignty and the sense of open borders and really undermining, I think, the idea of the nation state, right? | ||
That we should control what goes on within the borders of the United States, right? | ||
They want this global, either economic model and just political ruling model. | ||
But I also think that it's exactly what you're saying. | ||
And of course, it's much broader than the First Amendment, but it really is fighting over sovereignty for your minds. | ||
And I think that the weapon that they're using now is this construct of misinformation and disinformation. | ||
And I think it's hard for people to maybe understand as someone who focuses on this, but the scope of how they really have weaponized this kind of disinformation market to censor certain narratives. | ||
I mean, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of charities and non-profits. | ||
Those are obviously euphemisms because they're not in the business of charities or any non-profit activity, but they're all funded by the same people. | ||
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, Open Society, George Soros, Craig Newmark, all of these groups, which also coincidentally are the ones funding these pushes for vaccines. | ||
They're in bed with the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
They're pushing critical race theory. | ||
All of these groups. | ||
fund the same things, which means that they also get to kind of play the adjudicator of what exactly constitutes misinformation and disinformation. | ||
And of course, I'm sure Fauci will probably end up, you know, either as a fellow or in some capacity working in some foundation that's also funded by these entities too. | ||
So it really is an incestuous world in that sense that these people really do have a monopoly on information and that's why they're able to wage information warfare so successfully. | ||
I will say it's nice to be on board for the first time where Anthony Fauci is no longer a public servant. | ||
But I think, you know, we need to look to kind of Ukraine as sort of the blueprint for what this globalist ruling class really has in store for us. | ||
And, you know, it shouldn't be lost on anyone that just a few days ago. | ||
Zelensky ruled out a new rule that basically gave the Ukrainian government complete control over the National TV, Radio and Broadcasting Council, where they could deem certain media outlets, you know, as spreading fake news. | ||
They could shut them down and also gave them more censorship control over journalists. | ||
Of course, ACLU, you know, the SPLC, all these left wing groups are nowhere to be found criticizing or condemning that. | ||
But I think that that's sort of what you're seeing here is the ultimate goal. | ||
You know, there's bigger things here than just the First Amendment. | ||
I think it goes back to, like I said, it's— It's sovereignty over your mind, and they want to control what you think, and they've realized that the most, I think, kind of intense way to do that is to pre-bunk these narratives, right? | ||
They don't even want these talking points to be in your head. | ||
Believe me, if the FBI, if the DHS, if the CIA, if the NIH, if all these three-letter agencies, which I'd add NBC, ABC, MSNBC, that's five letters, If they could pre-bunk that Rasmussen poll, if they could pre-bunk some of these stories about Kevin McCarthy, they would, because they don't want people to know this information. | ||
It's the tale as old as time, but just because of the time we're living in right now, where social media is such kind of a new beast, a new behemoth, they're really rolling out to the tune of billions of dollars in very high-scale operations disguised as nonprofits and C4s and C3s, really a war for your mind. | ||
Real quickly, how big a game-changer it is that they've actually had the head of British intelligence interviewing the head of American intelligence and they're just so open about it. | ||
Is that, we're now seeing, is that taking it up a level just in your grill that they just don't even care anymore? | ||
I think so. | ||
I think that that's the whole point and I think that's why people are so mad about it because this ruling class operates with impunity, right? | ||
These are the same people who want amnesty for everything that they did in the pandemic. | ||
That's how they operate. | ||
They've never had accountability. | ||
I mean, people have read the FBI statement about the Twitter files. | ||
They admitted we didn't actually do anything wrong. | ||
You know, the fact that CISA, the DHS kind of sub unit that was responsible for a lot of this censorship got a $313 million increase to its already $2.9 billion budget in the omnibus just shows you how in your face this is. | ||
They're not backing down because they can't. | ||
It is a house of cards in some senses, right, because the narratives that they've created are fake, they're not real, they're not rooted in reality, but they guard this house of cards with a very, very intense and elaborate Pretorian guard, as you've called it. So they have to double down because they have no choice, because this really goes to the lifeline, the lifeblood of America's ruling class. Okay, Natalie, I'm going to ask you to hang around our executive | ||
We've got Caroline Wren on the other side, the great Scott Pressler, and Brian Williams from Ohio. | ||
We've dealt with at least the moving target, that is the race for the Speaker of the House. | ||
It's inextricably linked to this whole thing about the race for the Chairman of the RNC and then all these other aspects of the state Republican GOP parties. | ||
Okay, short break. | ||
Caroline Wren, next. | ||
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The great Ron Filipkowski, who has a Twitter account, he follows a lot of different Let's say activities on the MAGRA rays a former marine He had and the reason I said this the other day. | ||
I did a special with poso over the over New Year's holiday It was shot out at at turning point Natalie was I was a little frustrated in reading. | ||
I don't get frustrated. | ||
I was a little how do I say this perturbed? | ||
No, that's the wrong word Anyway, I was reading the | ||
uh... the depositions in for the jay six and i have some you know some skin in the game in that and let's say i was outside of our next guest caroline ran i was a little underwhelmed by a lot of them are retreating so i said hey look you know i people talk about this or you know uh... you know either i don't say read it from proper people are learned how to do a deposition you don't tell a story answer the question right yes no i don't remember uh... | ||
But I said, hey, look, you know, I have a host of reasons. | ||
I got a big appeal going on for a host of different reasons. | ||
I got great lawyers on it. | ||
Even the judge said, hey, there's grounds for appeal here. | ||
So we're hauling the appellate process. | ||
And people know I never talk about the case, never talk about any of these things. | ||
But and I said, hey, look, but the reality is in the first round, I got sentenced to four months in a federal prison. | ||
And but, you know, in process. | ||
And I said, I'm not worried. | ||
I got Natalie Winters. | ||
And man, He went full misogyny on it. | ||
He says, oh, the War Room audience is going to hate that. | ||
Natalie, why is this guy picking on our Natalie Winters? | ||
Why is he picking on you? | ||
I know from Ron to Madeline over at Media Matters, the left wing, you know, blue checkmark brigade doesn't seem to like me very much. | ||
I don't know why. | ||
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I think, honestly, I think maybe they're trying to come for the co-host job. | |
They're trying to get to you. | ||
They're trying to cut me out. | ||
No, we wouldn't. | ||
Look, we got a co-host, but look, we'll have Ron, and we'd love to have Ron and Madeline on. | ||
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I would love to have Madeline on any day. | |
No, that whole thing's getting weird. | ||
That's like a stalking situation, right? | ||
That's getting strange. | ||
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We'll do it virtually, not in person. | |
But Ron, come on, man. | ||
Ron's got some great perceptions on the show. | ||
On this one, I think he missed it, but maybe it's towards the end of the year when to focus. | ||
Hang on for one second, Natalie, I want to get back to you. | ||
Let me go to Caroline Wren. | ||
And I don't want to get into testimony, but yours is pretty hardcore. | ||
For anybody who wants an hour or so of enjoyment, get to Caroline Wren's deposition. | ||
The in-your-face Caroline Wren you see on War Room was just the same in the star chamber of the 6th January show trial. | ||
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Caroline, we've had the whole first part of the show. | |
There were some fun exchanges. | ||
There's a very interesting read. | ||
Caroline, I've made the case that this thing with the House Speaker is really inextricably linked to the RNC fight for the RNC chair because many of the themes about trust, about direction, and particularly about fight. | ||
You know, McCarthy's things right now is not about the deals he's cutting. | ||
People just say, hey, look, dude, we like you personally. | ||
I mean, everybody I've talked to really likes Kevin McCarthy as a person, but it's not about that. | ||
It's about The stick-to-it-ness and grit you need to actually take on the administrative state or the Biden regime and get it done. | ||
The same themes pop up all the time. | ||
People, Ronna McDaniel, people say, hey, she's a nice person. | ||
I've known her for years, etc. | ||
But it's about systemically what's going on there. | ||
So can you, we got Scott Pressler up. | ||
We got Ryan Williams is going to join us in a second. | ||
Can you give us an update on where we stand on this fiasco? | ||
Well, I just think there's a lack of leadership in the Republican Party as a whole right now. | ||
And a lot of people view Donald Trump as the leader of our party, and many still do, but, you know, they took away every single platform that he had to be able to communicate with his base. | ||
And on top of that, anytime he speaks out, he's, you know, investigated, gets subpoenas, etc. | ||
So I do think that this has created this vacuum of a lack of leadership. | ||
And that comes from both elected officials currently, but also with our party committees and such. | ||
And I don't think that there's been, one, a clear vision laid out. | ||
It is a different and new Republican Party. | ||
It's hard to imagine even that Mitt Romney was our nominee in 2012. | ||
And look at where we are now. | ||
It's a much more populous party. | ||
And the leadership within the institutions of the Republican Party have not changed and don't recognize that. | ||
And I think that's where this frustration is boiling up to right now. | ||
And so for me personally, the one I feel like I could affect the most right now is the RNC race. | ||
And so when Harmeet Dhillon stepped up, I really, I thought it was a very interesting person to be running for this, mainly because I talked to her, she was bringing up the same things that I heard and had been frustrated about, going back to what Natalie was talking about. | ||
But the game has changed among the political warfare and the Democrats are fighting this war through 501C3s and C4s and for-profit entities. | ||
And we are fighting it still through these party committees and super PACs, these You know, dying entities, and there's been no match. | ||
And we need someone who's a visionary who can say, okay, I want to actually play on the same playing field that the Democrats are playing on. | ||
I want to take the fight directly to them. | ||
And to me, Hermit was a great person to do it. | ||
She's won two cases in front of the Supreme Court in the last year. | ||
She's beat Mark Elias in court. | ||
This is a woman who graduated high school at 16, editor of the Dartmouth Review, editor of the UVA Law Review, was part of the Federalist Society, is chair of the Republican National Lawyers Association, was vice chair of the California Republican Party. | ||
She has spent her life in this fight, and I think the fight right now needs to be through lawfare and different tactics. | ||
And that's what we need to be focusing on. | ||
Hang on a second. | ||
I'm going to ask you to hang on through our next two guests and then summarize here. | ||
I want to get to Scott Presser. | ||
Scott joins us by phone. | ||
First off, Scott, everybody wants to know, how's your health? | ||
How are you doing? | ||
Because you're a true hero to our audience. | ||
You probably put in more effort in voter registration and grassroots activities. | ||
So first off, how's your health as we start the new year? | ||
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Thank you. | |
Well, Happy New Year, and much to the Democrats' surprise, I'm doing much better, and I'm looking forward to hitting the ground immediately to defeat some of those Democrats going into this year and next. | ||
Scott, look, you're revered by this audience, and so when you come, and you're also a guy that doesn't get involved, I think, in a lot of the party politics aspect of it, so when people say that Scott Pressler's come out and engaged in this RNC chairman fight, people sit up and take notice. | ||
Although the mainstream media go, like, who's Scott Pressler? | ||
Inside the MAGA movement, and on the right, people go, Scott Pressler's a major player. | ||
So why'd you get involved in this? | ||
Tell us, where do you stand right now? | ||
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Quite frankly, I'm tired of losing. | |
I'm tired of three cycles, of six years of losses, and it's evident that we need change in leadership. | ||
And we're not going to get that in the Senate because we don't control the Senate and Mitch McConnell is still there. | ||
We're not going to get it with the whip because Tom Emmer is still there. | ||
So if people truly want to make a difference, then this is our opportunity right here, right now, and we have the power to change who our leadership is at the very top at the RNC. | ||
And that's why I'm involved and I'm dedicating all of my time in this month until the 27th to make sure that we have a change in leadership at the RNC. | ||
The establishment say, hey, look, the problem we got is Trump's got these crazy policies. | ||
Scott Pressler's a grassroots guy, but he's got these crazy policies. | ||
Bannon's policies are crazy. | ||
And the reason is not Rana. | ||
It's not the structure. | ||
It's that, it's that, uh, you guys are delivering, uh, basically answers people don't want. | ||
What would you have to say to that, sir? | ||
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Yeah, baloney. | |
Yeah. | ||
Spending all of that money in Ohio with all due respect. | ||
And that money in Florida that we didn't need with Governor Ron DeSantis. | ||
Why was our own party with Mitch McConnell working against Arizona, working against Nevada, working against new grassroot blood that could have really delivered a new vision for our conservative movement? | ||
And that just shows me that we need a change in leadership from the top to the bottom. | ||
And that's why I'm getting involved, because I want to win, plain and simple. | ||
2024 is a must-win. | ||
Look, given your health considerations, I just want to make sure everybody understands, you're dedicating this entire month on this RNC race. | ||
Am I to take that as what your focus is? | ||
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Absolutely, yes. | |
This is the top priority, and that's why this week in particular is so important, especially to people listening right now in the state of Ohio. | ||
We're having a state central committee with the Ohio GOP on Friday, and the reason why this is important is because there are 168 voting members, right? | ||
And so three of those are going to come from Ohio. | ||
You've got the state chair, you've got the RNC committee man and committee woman. | ||
Well, Bob Paducek, who is the current state chair, he's retiring, and all three of those three voting members for Ohio have endorsed Ron and McDaniel for RNC chair. | ||
So we have an opportunity, if everybody listening at home calls their central committee members and supports Brian Williams. | ||
Brian Williams is running for chairman of the Ohio GOP, and he has already endorsed Parmeet. | ||
So we could at least get one out of those three members to vote for Harmeet on January 27th at the RNC meeting, but don't just stop there. | ||
We want everyone to contact their state central so they support Brian Williams, but we also want everybody to contact the RNC committee man and committee woman to see if we can persuade them and coax them into voting for Harmeet. | ||
And you can do so by going to hireharmeet.com. | ||
That's H-I-R-E. | ||
H-A-R-M-E-E-T dot com. | ||
And if anybody's wondering how you contact your state committee members, well, all you have to do is type into the internet, Ohio GOP State Central Committee, and you can do that for any state in the entire country. | ||
And this is so important because it shows you the value of joining a Republican party, becoming a precinct chair, becoming a state central person, because all of those factors lead into who's going to be a chairman and who is going to be voting for the national party chair. | ||
So it's invaluable that every person listening joins the Republican Party to make changes from within. | ||
Scott, real quickly, what's your social media? | ||
How did it get to Scott Pressler? | ||
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Everything is at Scott Pressler. | |
S-C-O-T-T-P-R-E-S-L-E-R. | ||
Gab, Parler, Truth Social, Getter, Telegram, Twitter. | ||
Everything is at Scott Pressler. | ||
And thank you, Mr. Bannon. | ||
Scott, God bless you. | ||
You're a warrior and a hero. | ||
Short break. | ||
Brian Williams from Ohio next. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | |
Okay, since Scott Pressler teed him up, we've got Brian Williams. | ||
Brian, look, here's the question, and I know you're going to get to the RNC part of it, but, you know, we've got dust being kicked up in Florida about the voting that's going on there. | ||
We've got dust being kicked up now in Ohio. | ||
DeWine, I think, won by 25. | ||
DeSantis won by 20. | ||
I would argue, and by the way, in the presidential now, even Axios is taking Ohio and Florida off the map. | ||
It's all Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, as we've been saying here in the War Room. | ||
If we're in those kind of, and Paduchick's a legendary guy, if we're in such good shape, what's your theory of the case? | ||
Why are you coming in hammer and tong in Ohio, sir? | ||
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Well, leadership matters. | |
Scott's right. | ||
Thanks for having me on this morning. | ||
Our leadership in Ohio, we win as Republicans because we're a red state now, fully ensconced. | ||
The Democrats have helped us become a red state with their crazy policies on the border and energy and a whole bunch of other things over the past 10 years. | ||
But our current Republican leadership in Ohio, they like to pick our nominees for us. | ||
And this race for chairman in Ohio and the race for speaker on tomorrow for our Ohio house and the race for the RNC really is about who's going to pick our nominee. | ||
Is it going to be the elites and the fixers who feed off the party, or is it going to be the primary voters, where the party serves as a resource for all quality candidates to go out and make their case and win the race? | ||
In Ohio, we have a long tradition of the party establishment picking the nominees, short-circuiting the process, where conservatives are shunned aside, and we get basically established center-right Republicans winning as our nominee. | ||
And then we go to work and get them elected in the general election, obviously, because They're the best choice possible, but that's not good enough. | ||
So what is your, walk us through and how can people get more information on this? | ||
Cause this is critical. | ||
What, what is the process going to take place in Ohio and particularly for people out in Ohio, we have a vast audience there. | ||
How can they get more information? | ||
Cause this is kind of getting people, you know, and I think the RNC, the club of the 168 have done a good job of kind of making this inside baseball. | ||
So people don't really know what the process is, even who gets to vote, how it's even done at a state level, the committee man, committee woman. | ||
So walk us through the process and how can people out in Ohio get engaged in this? | ||
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Well, Friday we have a vote. | |
There are 66 state central committee members who will choose the next chairman. | ||
You need 34 votes to win. | ||
Whoever wins 34 votes on the ballot, there's four candidates running. | ||
And so anybody in Ohio who can contact their Republican state central committee member and say, we want a voice for An egalitarian party that is open resource, that is not a fixer party, that is aligned with the MAGA agenda. | ||
And the things we want are bylaw changes so that we don't have an autocratic inside chairman. | ||
We want a platform committee so that the Ohio Republican Party can stand for stated principles. | ||
What your viewers and listeners in Ohio can do to help the cause is contact those central committee members. | ||
Before Friday and say, hey, vote for Brian Williams. | ||
The other two fellas in the race, there's one candidate that Bob Paduchik has handpicked. | ||
He will be Paduchik 2.0. | ||
It'll be an insider's game and a MAGA reformist will be left out in the cold once again, as we have been for the last two years. | ||
The two other gentlemen who are talking about reform probably don't have the backbone or the strength to get it done. | ||
And they're not bad people. | ||
They're just not going to fight the fight. | ||
When the going gets tough and that's why I've come back and put my name in the hat. | ||
I'm a 36 year veteran of Ohio politics. | ||
I'm the current vice chairman of the state committee. | ||
Uh, I've been a state representative. | ||
I've raised millions of dollars. | ||
I chair the Summit County Republican party here in Akron, uh, and have for the past, uh, seven years. | ||
Um, I, I, I've been, I'm not new to this game. | ||
Um, but at the same token, I recognize in Ohio, we breed center right Republicans and we We have a recent record of defeating conservatives in primaries, and we defeat them by keeping them out of the race or by keeping them muzzled within the process, and the state party shouldn't contribute to that muzzling. | ||
They should let conservatives run, and that's what my candidacy is all about. | ||
It's about reforming the party, standing for something, and if your listeners and voters want to engage, the best thing they can do is contact their state central committee members between now and Friday and say vote for an open leadership process in the Ohio Republican Party vote for Brian Williams. | ||
Brian, what are your coordinates? | ||
How do people get to you? | ||
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So the best way to contact me by email is bwilliams at summitcountygop.org. | |
That's the fastest way and I can get them information on all the candidates and I can also get them a list of the state central committee members. | ||
I think that would be the fastest way to connect with me. | ||
Okay. | ||
Brian, thank you very much for coming. | ||
We're going to watch this closely, hopefully have you back on. | ||
Caroline, I'm a little jammed for time, but I got to ask you, you got Florida that things look like they're going swimmingly for the Republican Party, Ohio. | ||
Is this a rearguard action or is this, because Ronald McDaniel is kind of similar to the McCarthy. | ||
After the first ballot, people can peel off because they got committed to the first ballot, right? | ||
So are you fighting a rearguard action because it's so complicated the state and it kind of coming in late? | ||
Let's be honest. | ||
Or is this really something that's going to build momentum and either bring Harmeet over the line, Lindell over the line, or some other candidate that may pop up between now and then? | ||
Or maybe a combination of Harmeet and Lindell. | ||
What are your thoughts? | ||
Well, why states like Florida and Ohio are important is because, again, the RNC 168, it's every state gets three votes plus the territories. | ||
That's how you get that 168. | ||
And so, Florida has 22 million people, Ohio has 12 million people, and Guam has 170,000 people. | ||
They all still get just three votes. | ||
And this is tight enough that we are fighting for every single vote. | ||
That's why we're fighting right now in Florida. | ||
That's why the Ohio GOP chair is a race we're targeting. | ||
Because in a constitutional republic, we select representatives to represent the will of the people in our government. | ||
And that's what these folks are supposed to do. | ||
As these members of the 168, They are there to represent the will of their constituents and it has been loud and clear anywhere if you go from social media to talking to your neighbors to talking to donors to others that they want a change in the top of their leadership and especially when it comes to the Republican National Committee. | ||
And so that's why we are not leaving any stone unturned. | ||
That's why we're fighting Florida and Ohio. | ||
Okay, and we're going to have you back on tomorrow morning about the Kerry Lake situation and this. | ||
I just want to make sure. | ||
Biggs and Gates have called this from day one about the real votes McCarthy had. | ||
People laughed at him, they mocked him, and now on the eve of it, they're trying to cut every deal in the world because there's 14 votes minimum and maybe more they don't have. | ||
It's closer to the 200, the 218, and he's working all day today to try to secure those votes. | ||
You said on this show last week She has under 84 votes. | ||
She can't win on the first ballot. | ||
Are you sticking to that? | ||
I am sticking to that. | ||
And I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I suspect that it will only be Ronna and Harmeet that end up on the ballot now. | ||
I want Mike to be, and let me just say something about Mike Lindell is a good friend. | ||
I love him so much. | ||
But we have to look at people and where they're best served. | ||
And I don't know about you, but I want President Trump back in office. | ||
Mike Lindell is the greatest asset to President Trump. | ||
He's the best surrogate. | ||
I've been to over a hundred Trump rallies. | ||
He's been at every single one. | ||
The RNC chair has to remain neutral, and so taking Mike Lindell off the field for helping Donald Trump in 2024 to me is a mistake. | ||
He is too strong of an asset to do it, and so that's the only reason why I'm here out really, really pushing our meet. | ||
I think it'll be a head-to-head, so I'm not sure if we'll go into multiple ballots. | ||
I think this is going to be a head-to-head race between the two of them. | ||
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Wow. | |
Okay, how did it get you on social media? | ||
We'll have you back on tomorrow. | ||
How do people get to you, follow you? | ||
At Caroline Wren, and that's on Twitter and Gitter and Truth and all the outlets. | ||
Thank you very much, ma'am. | ||
Have you back on tomorrow. | ||
This is a dogfight for the RNC. | ||
Natalie, I know you've got to go back to work. | ||
How are your coordinates for Ron Filipowski and everybody to follow you and to make sure that... He's saying such mean things about our Natalie Winters. | ||
Just not acceptable. | ||
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How'd they get to you, Natalie? | |
If the UChicago sorority girls didn't intimidate me, then Ron and Madeline have nothing on them. | ||
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So my coordinates are Natalie G. Winters on all platforms. | |
I'm not worried about the Sarugas. | ||
I was worried about the high school teacher that was gonna punch you out or something, gonna physically attack you. | ||
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Made a lot of enemies. | |
All the right enemies, I might add. | ||
That's how you end up in the war room. | ||
Okay, Natalie, thank you. | ||
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Thank you. | |
I wanted to have on a kickoff show for the year, Steve Moore. | ||
Steve, a brilliant piece in the New York Post. | ||
But I want to lay out the fact that we gave up, you know, this omnibus took away our ability to hammer down on this. | ||
And you've made a case that, hey, there's so many people on the payroll now, the federal government, with all these subsidies and welfare, that it's getting to the point that they're actually just voting continue their welfare. | ||
When you see Mitch McConnell going to be with Biden on Wednesday, I mean, does your blood boil when they're sitting there talking about bipartisanship? | ||
What does bipartisanship right now mean to Steve Moore, sir? | ||
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Steve, Happy New Year. | |
Thanks for having me. | ||
Well, first, let's just I want to say something about the omnibus. | ||
Now, you've talked about this. | ||
I've talked about it for many weeks about what a horrific, unconscionable bill this was in terms of the massive excessive spending at a time when Republicans need to be coming in and taking a chainsaw out of the budget, which, as you know, Biden added $4.1 trillion. | ||
of additional spending, and we all thought that that was the mission of the Republicans, right, was to come in and cut spending. | ||
Well, the first thing they did was, when they learned they won the House, was bring back earmarks and then sign on to a bipartisan spending spree. | ||
And the reason I bring that up, Steve, you know, you're running the war room there to try to mobilize our forces, but I've got to tell you, the conservatives that I'm talking to, both the activists and the donors, are seething Seething in anger with the Republican leadership for this absolutely dreadful bill that's going to do more damage to our economy. | ||
So I think Republicans, it wasn't just a huge policy mistake, it was a political blunder of epic proportions. | ||
Steve, look, you know a lot of these people, and I say that if you go back to the American Recovery Act, to the infrastructure, to the mini Build Back Better, and now to omnibus, they're all done with 12 to 15, 16, 17 Republican senators. | ||
You know these people. | ||
Help the audience out here. | ||
These bills are so massive in scale, so intrusive for government, but just the ability, we can't pay for any of it. | ||
It's actually financial suicide. | ||
What is it that they see internally that Steve Moore, Steve Bannon, the donors you're talking to, the activists you're talking to, and the war room audience is not seeing, sir? | ||
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Well, this is hardly rocket science, right, to understand that the greatest security threat and economic threat to the United States is this massive overspending and debt and the inflation that it's caused. | |
You know, Reagan, one of my heroes, used to say that when you're strong at home, you're strong abroad, and when you're weak at home, you're weak abroad. | ||
And that's the situation that Joe Biden has put this country in, and it's tragic. | ||
I still believe, Steve, that if Donald Trump had been president, There's no way in hell that Putin would have gone into Ukraine, but he saw weakness with Biden in the White House, and he went in. | ||
So, if I sound a little frustrated this morning, I am, because the number one mission of this Congress has to be to stop Biden's spending bitch. | ||
There will come a time, sometime within the next year, Steve Bannon, when you're going to have a face-off. | ||
Between the Republican speaker, whether that's McCarthy or Scalise or wherever it might be, and Joe Biden. | ||
And Biden's gonna say, oh, well, you're gonna shut down the government if you don't go along with my big spending bills. | ||
And that's the moment Republicans are going to have to stand firm and say, no, you, Mr. President, are putting our country in great financial danger with these massive spending bills. | ||
If we blink, if our side blinks, Steve, I think it's going to be not just a route for the country, but a route against the Republicans. | ||
You think that this could crater what we now know as the Republican Party? | ||
The Republican Party, as you see, it could become like the Whigs were before the Civil War. | ||
You could actually see the end of the Republican Party if they don't take a principled stand on spending? | ||
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I think that the Republican Party has to be an anti-tax and anti-big government party. | |
And if it's not, I mean, my old friend Bob Novak, you remember Bob Novak from Evans and Novak, used to say, you know, if Republicans aren't cutting in taxes and spending, then there's no, that's the reason God put Republicans on this earth. | ||
So what I do think that there is a rupture within the party, there is at least One quarter to one third of Republicans who are big government Republicans. | ||
And this party cannot, it has to be a small government party. | ||
Hang on for one second. | ||
We're going to hold for a short commercial break. | ||
Steve Moore is going to join us. | ||
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The debt ceiling. | ||
The first time this is going to come up, because tax revenue is collapsing, is the debt ceiling, sir. | ||
Give us your Steve Moore. | ||
On the first working day, or it's not even working, it's still a holiday, but the first day we're back in 2023, what's your assessment of the debt ceiling and the stand that we have to take? | ||
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The reason I asked our mutual friend Alexandra if she could get me on the War Room show, Steve, is I wanted every activist and conservative around the country to know that this is our moment. | |
This is our Dunkirk moment. | ||
We have to make sure that we do not cave in. | ||
No, we're going to default on our debt, Steve, if we don't get the debt under control, right? | ||
And so this is no flinching, no blinking, no backing down. | ||
of trying to force and say, oh, Republicans are going to force a default on our debt. | ||
No, we're going to default on our debt, Steve, if we don't get the debt under control. | ||
And so this is no flinching, no blinking, no backing down. | ||
We are going to insist on dramatic spending reductions, spending reforms, you know, investigation of all the waste in government. | ||
And that's I don't know the exact date this is going to come. | ||
It's coming in the next four or five months, maybe as early as April or May. | ||
Steve, how do people get to you for all your analysis in this? | ||
And we'll have you back on. | ||
You're at the front line in this fight. | ||
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So, whenever you need to get our hotline, our prosperity hotline, Steve, it's free. | |
I know you get it. | ||
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Newt Gingrich says it's the first thing he reads every morning. | ||
Steve, Happy New Year. | ||
Thank you for doing this. | ||
We're kicking it off with this fight on spending. | ||
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No backing down, Steve. | |
I need you solid on this. | ||
No backing down on debt ceiling. | ||
Well, you don't know what my requirements are to even go to the Federal Reserve, so we'll talk about it later, but I've got debt ceiling. | ||
You've got to end the Fed. | ||
Steve Moore, thank you so much, sir. | ||
Appreciate it. | ||
The big fights. | ||
I wanted, by the way, besides everything that's going on in the politics in the nation's capital, also over the holidays, obviously, Pope Benedict XVI passed away. | ||
Joseph Pierce wrote one of the best books about him, Benedict XVI, Defender of the Faith. | ||
He joins us by phone. | ||
We're going to get him back on tomorrow for a little more in-depth. | ||
Joseph, give us a thumbnail of why this is important even for non-Catholics about Cardinal Ratzinger or Pope Benedict, sir. | ||
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Okay, that phone is not working. | |
Okay. | ||
Can we try that again? | ||
If not, I can go on a riff. | ||
It's called dropped. | ||
Okay, fine. | ||
By the way, we're going to have Joseph Pierce. | ||
Let's just do it tomorrow because I don't want to jam this in. | ||
Joseph Pierce is going to join us tomorrow. | ||
He wrote the book, Benedict XVI, Defender of the Faith. | ||
Pope Benedict, I think it's on Thursday. | ||
Ben Harnwell is going to be covering it. | ||
We're going to do a lot of coverage of this on Thursday from the Vatican where Pope Benedict Let's have a reset here. | ||
And of course his, I guess, replacement is the way you would say it, is going to officiate at that. | ||
So we'll get into all of that later in the week. | ||
We'll have Joseph back on tomorrow. | ||
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There couldn't be a more important 24 hours, 48 hours than is going to happen. | ||
Look, we've got the leverage in getting the seats that we won, and of course you've got MAGA, you know, hardcore. | ||
I want to make sure everybody understands something. | ||
When this was first discussed six weeks, eight weeks ago, it was completely dismissed, not just by the mainstream media, but by most of conservative ink. | ||
That this wasn't going to happen. | ||
McCarthy had it. | ||
McCarthy is going to do this right now on Capitol Hill, even as we speak. | ||
McCarthy is working nonstop. | ||
Now he put that deal out the other day. | ||
He's refining the deal. | ||
He's putting much more flesh on the bones. | ||
He's saying, hey, one vote for vacate the chair. | ||
I'm good. | ||
He's changing the rules committee. | ||
He's doing everything possible. | ||
To try to secure this vote on the first ballot. | ||
And the reason that he's prepared to do that is that he understands if he doesn't win on the first ballot, more votes start to unwind. | ||
His principal argument against, and you saw this on quite frankly in Fox News nonstop and you even saw it yesterday where they went after I think it was Matt Rosendale of Montana. | ||
Was that oh you're going to mess up the agenda, it's going to start slow, you're going to turn it over to Hakeem Jeffries. | ||
Well what we're hearing now is that if McCarthy doesn't win on the first ballot there's a potential and I have not verified this but I'm hearing from a number of different informed sources that there may be a deal with Hakeem Jeffries not to have Hakeem Jeffries win but enough Democrats would walk off to take down the denominator that McCarthy would even try What I'm saying is that these are desperate times for people that are there. | ||
There are other people that have either thrown their hat into the ring or making calls. | ||
Congressman Hearn, Congressman Scalise, Jim Jordan is still not, is still saying, hey, I support Kevin McCarthy and I'm happy to be the The New York Times today literally tries to have a takedown piece on Elise Stefanik. | ||
It's got to be 10,000 words. | ||
I mean, this thing is I've never seen an article this long to kick it off about criticizing her about becoming a big Trump supporter. | ||
So there's a lot going on. | ||
We're going to be on it nonstop. | ||
Also, the RNC, there are things happening here in Ohio. | ||
There are states all over this week. | ||
I think Ohio and Florida this week, their activity going on. | ||
That is a full Donnybrook right now. | ||
It's only going to get more intense. | ||
That's also another question of, does Ronna McDaniels have the votes after the first round? | ||
So, a lot going on. | ||
Make sure you stay on our Getter feed. | ||
That's Captain Bannon, Grace Chong, myself, the War Room feed, and of course, all of our competitors. | ||
Because we're covering all this non-stop, and obviously tomorrow morning we'll have more Inside Baseball. | ||
Remember what Andy Big said? | ||
He said, hey, still the five hardcore knows. | ||
Our hardcore knows regardless of what the nine that signed the letter. | ||
The nine that signed the letter are pretty hardcore. | ||
The changes they would make are things that conservatives have wanted for many, many, many years and have never gotten. | ||
They're saying that's not good enough for us. | ||
We're still five hard no's. | ||
So this is going to explode tomorrow. | ||
Tomorrow will be a historic day. | ||
We'll be back here, of course, live 10 o'clock. | ||
You get the show again this afternoon, but tomorrow back live at 10 a.m. | ||
We're going to be covering it all. | ||
OK, Stephen K. Bannon, I want to thank you. | ||
Happy New Year. | ||
We could not have kicked off with more intensity. | ||
Because why? | ||
You're in the war room. | ||
Thank you very much. |