Oct. 24, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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Okay, welcome. | |
| I really want to thank Real America's Voice for making this happen. | ||
| It's Sunday, 23 October in the Year of Our Lord 2022, and this is a war room special. | ||
| We had such a prominent and important guest this week. | ||
| They were able to get some additional time. | ||
| Bishop, thank you so much. | ||
| Bishop Snyder, thank you so much. | ||
| Today's also a very special day. | ||
| What is it in the church calendar? | ||
| Today it is the feast of Spanish Saint Franciscan. | ||
| His name is Saint Peter of Alcantara. | ||
| He was a great missionary, priest in the 16th century in Spain. | ||
| And in the traditional calendar of the church, it is his feast day today. | ||
| Let's talk about tradition for a second. | ||
| You've kind of dedicated your life to making sure here in the modern age We go back to these more traditional times. | ||
| But you have a theory of why that is so important and must happen in the modern world. | ||
| Part of that is communion with the saints and connection with not just the great heritage of the church, of all the literature and the art and the beauty but more importantly the direct lineage of the Mass itself and also the Saints. | ||
| Why do you believe that that is the most important thing in this modern world with transhumanism and global economic insecurity and war and pandemics? | ||
| Why is that a fight worth fighting? | ||
| Yes, because the main characteristic of the modern world is exactly the rupture with tradition and to create something completely new, artificial. | ||
| But this is contrary to the very nature of the human being, the very nature as we were created by God. | ||
| Because all what we have, we receive, we have received, starting with the life, We received a life from our parents. | ||
| We received a soul from God directly. | ||
| And all the knowledge which we have, we received from those who lived before us. | ||
| They transmitted us all the treasures of culture, of human knowledge. | ||
| But in the first place, the faith. | ||
| And this is the basic truth Because God spoke to humanity in the divine revelation. | ||
| And this is called God gave us something. | ||
| So we received his word, his truth. | ||
| We received, we not created this. | ||
| And therefore, by receiving, it's included the tradition. | ||
| It is inseparable. | ||
| So we have this, as we transmit the human life, which God gave us this order, when he created man and woman. | ||
| So, when he revealed himself supernaturally in the Old Testament in the fullness in Jesus Christ, he gave us this greatest gift, his truth, the faith. | ||
| And the task of the church and of all believers, starting with the parents, they have the duty to transmit faithfully What they received. | ||
| This is the entire mission of the church. | ||
| It included the faith and the most important expression of the faith which was handed down is the liturgy, the prayer as we express the faith. | ||
| And therefore so important is to keep the traditional way of believing and of praying. | ||
| The church in the 19th century, with the Industrial Revolution and things that were going on in Europe, the church leaders understood that this was going to be a problem. | ||
| In fact, they came up with the oath against modernity or the oath against anti-modernism. | ||
| Talk about those church leaders. | ||
| What was it that they saw ahead that they would actually become so adamant that Because you have on one side, in the 19th century, church leaders who are adamant about, we have to fight at a spiritual level this thing called modernity that we've seen in the French Revolution, but it's getting deeper now with the Industrial Revolution. | ||
| And you go to 1960, so basically 80 years later or 100 years later, and you have church leaders that say the exact opposite. | ||
| In fact, we have to welcome in modernity. | ||
| What did they see, and what transpired in those 100 years that led to the Second Vatican Council? | ||
| Yes, this is a very good question. | ||
| So, I think that partly these church leaders, starting with John XXIII, And those who promoted Vatican II Council, they're confused. | ||
| There is a technical progress which helps human beings, us all, to live better materially. | ||
| But it also killed that material, the technological advancement, it also killed 200 million people. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We just finished the greatest dark age. | ||
| People 500 years from now will look at the 20th century as like the dark ages. | ||
| So how could they make that mistake though? | ||
| I understand material progress, that you have televisions and you've got cars and the family doesn't have to plow the fields, but you're literally just at the edge of a smoking | ||
| Exactly, this is what I wanted to say, that the progress of the technique can be in some way good, but they welcomed the progress and they forgot that these progress of techniques of the modernity leads to a great danger, as you mentioned, the wars and the mass weapons To destroy humanity. | ||
| But I want to go back just for our audience. | ||
| You have people, and let's talk about, they actually come up with an oath. | ||
| The church is not in the business of putting out oaths. | ||
| I mean, this is the importance they had. | ||
| And every priest, every teacher, every lecturer at the Catholic University, you had to buy into this. | ||
| And it was quite detailed. | ||
| So they're drawing a line in the sand that we understand where this is going to go, and we're going to be a bulwark in the Judeo-Christian West against this. | ||
| You then have what they told you was going to happen even worse to nuclear chemical weapons in World War I, nuclear weapons in World War II, mass starvation. | ||
| I mean 200, 250, a quarter of a billion people slaughtered. | ||
| How could people on the other side of that... The people at Second Vatican Council and the people in Rome are some of the most educated people in the world. | ||
| How could they possibly have missed... Yes, you're materially better off in technology, you've got a lot of positive things, but we would have never had this slaughter if it hadn't been the convergence of dark forces with technology. | ||
| How could they possibly have missed what was probably the biggest lesson to mankind? | ||
| They missed the basic error. | ||
| of the modern time, despite of the technical progress, as you mentioned, the humanity became more and more morally worse and inhuman. | ||
| And they forget this. | ||
| The reason why? | ||
| Because humanity, the modern time, put God aside. | ||
| and put themselves in the place of God, and started to neglect and despise the commandments of God. | ||
| And therefore, all this, in spite of the technical progress, we had disasters, only disasters in the modern time. | ||
| And this was the error of these church leaders, not to appeal to this rude to indicate the very cause of this. | ||
| Instead, they were simply impressed, overwhelmed with the material progress of the modern world, and this was, to my opinion, a great omission and a deception of these church leaders, or they were probably also Had a kind of complex of inferiority before the modern world. | ||
| They wanted to be approved by the modern world. | ||
| And this is a weakness. | ||
| What do you mean approved? | ||
| To be held up by the secular world? | ||
| Yes, that the secular world, the unbelieving world would applaud them, would recognize them. | ||
| But this is an illusion and this is a weakness. | ||
| And it is not worthy of those who are called the successors of the Holy Apostles. | ||
| Jesus Christ and the Apostles never were seeking the recognition and the applause of the world. | ||
| You have Christ's Triumph, Christus Vincent of my altar boy Latin. | ||
| Christ's Triumph over the darkness of the age. | ||
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Do you consider Christ triumphant in the 20th century? | |
| Yes, because Christ already won. | ||
| In His sacrifice on the cross, He destroyed sin and triumphed over the devil. | ||
| And with His resurrection, He manifested His triumph. | ||
| And since then, He is and He will remain the winner. | ||
| Nevertheless, In this world, the Church will be, until the end of the time, Christ said this, only a small flock, and always persecuted, because in the Gospel of St. | ||
| John it said, Christ the Light came to the world, and the world did not accept Him, did not receive Him. | ||
| This will be up until the end of the time. | ||
| And therefore, The church is called by its nature, here on earth, the church militant. | ||
| It means the church which is fighting, but not materially fighting, of course, but it is doing a spiritual war. | ||
| So, your place here is called the war house. | ||
| And the church is, I would say, The entire Catholic Church is a great, a big war house. | ||
| And always the Apostles, the Fathers of the Church, the Saints, the Popes, during two millennium, they were aware and stressed this, we are in the midst of a battle. | ||
| We have not to be so naive. | ||
| And to be a victim of the illusions that the world will accept us. | ||
| But if people, Catholics today, and Christians today, look at China, and look at the underground church, and look at what was Eastern Europe before the fall of the Communists, and look at certain parts of Sub-Saharan Africa or South Asia, they see a church persecuted, there they see the church in a fight. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Do you see that in the book you talk about the de-Christianization of Europe even before this wave of the entry of Islam? | ||
| But really the secularization that came right after the oath against modernity, the secular nature, the dechristianization of Europe really started whole hog. | ||
| Whole hog. | ||
| Do you see that? | ||
| We've got about a minute before we go to break. | ||
| Do you see the dechristianization of Europe that they put up a strong enough fight? | ||
| And are they putting up a fight today? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The dechristianization of Europe, it was going on since the French Revolution and ever more. | ||
| And exactly in the 20th century it was growing. | ||
| And exactly at this moment the Church should strongly stress our duty, of course, with dignity, to fight against all these modern dangers who were a kind of spiritual poison, poisoning the humanity with a life | ||
| A completely materialistic life and a life against the commandments of God, which is a disaster for all humanity, which we are now witnessing. | ||
| Let's take a short commercial break. | ||
| We'll return with Bishop Schneider, who joins us from Kazakhstan, here in the United States. | ||
| I want to thank Real America's Voice for this tremendous opportunity for this one-hour special. | ||
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We'll be back in a moment. | |
| I'm going to play a little bit of the song. | ||
| And according to the multitude of ungrateful people, And according to the multitude of ungrateful people, Of the iniquity of the world, | ||
| ♪♪ | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| Welcome back. | ||
| The team in Denver, I really want to thank Real America's Voice for helping us do this special. | ||
| Hopefully the first of many. | ||
| The cover of your new book is about the Mass and how to get back to tradition. | ||
| It has an absolutely stunning, if the guys in Denver can pull into this, photograph on the front. | ||
| It is a traditional Catholic Mass, being said, what looks like a beautiful cathedral once, but obviously this is the remnants of World War II. | ||
| So the question gets to be, if Europe is a Christian culture and is the Bedrock of the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| How did we end up with all that carnage and destruction on the outside? | ||
| They even took down the material part of the church. | ||
| How did we? | ||
| Because that picture is so ironic. | ||
| You have the highest sacrilege, you have the highest, not ceremony, but Offering to God. | ||
| Worship. | ||
| Worship to God, right? | ||
| At the same time in a burned-out husk with hundreds of millions of people dead. | ||
| How does that happen in what is supposed to be a Christian culture in the bedrock of the Judeo-Christian West? | ||
| Yes, this picture is exactly a demonstration of what happened in the last centuries. | ||
| and a demonstration of what produced Christianity in Europe, for all the beauty which the European culture produced since the Middle Ages, in art, in music, in architecture. | ||
| Today, all the people around the world visiting Europe, they go to see Notre Dame de Paris, they see the Dome of Cologne, Milan, the Basilica of St. | ||
| Peter, all these beautiful arches. | ||
| They will not visit a supermarket or a modern style church which was built today often times like a supermarket hall. | ||
| No one will visit a tourist such a church, but they will visit Notre Dame de Paris and so on, and to look the beauties of all the famous architects and the music the same. | ||
| The greatest beautiful music produced in history, in humanity, are the music produced by the church, by the composers who were believing, let us say, Palestrina, Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn, and so on. | ||
| And all that art, all that beauty, all that music, all that led to that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is very precise, you said. | ||
| This all beauty was made by humanity for God, to glorify God. | ||
| Because for this aim we were created. | ||
| God created us to glorify Him. | ||
| And in this consists our happiness, and we will never find our happiness, individually and in humanity, unless we try to glorify God in our life, even exteriorly with this beauty, because God is beauty. | ||
| And when people and humanity, or a time like the modernity, puts God aside, in the periphery, Then, the result is ugliness. | ||
| Simple ugliness. | ||
| Spiritual ugliness, morally ugliness, and the arts. | ||
| And so, this picture which you showed, it is that the modernity brought this bombing and destroyed the beauty which the Christian faith, the Catholic faith produced. | ||
| Almost naturally, the Catholic faith produced this beauty. | ||
| Why? | ||
| As long as Christians, the Church, put God at the center, really at the center, and gave Him the primacy, as long as they did this, there was beauty. | ||
| Of course, In the modern life, in the past centuries, even ever since, this is a reality. | ||
| What about the secularist argument that's saying in the early part of the 20th century with Einstein and the discovery of relativity, that you found out that it's, and then the study later of the quantum mechanics, that it's all random. | ||
| It's relative and then it's random. | ||
| That man's progress in understanding the universe, in understanding the material universe, made not just the church irrelevant, but made Christ as just a myth of a nice person and a good teacher, but that God is really totally mechanical. | ||
| And modern science shows that, which led to obviously the atomic bomb and the destruction in the 20th century. | ||
| What about the secularist argument that advances in science really led us to understand the universe better, and the rest of it is just myth. | ||
| Yes, this is an error, because God created the reason, and reason and faith are together. | ||
| As Pope John Paul II stated, his beautiful expression, faith and reason are like the two wings of a bird, and you cannot fly with one wing. | ||
| we will lead to a disaster. | ||
| And so, the modernity only chosen the one wing, the reason, but excluded God, the Creator, who revealed himself to us in faith. | ||
| And this rejection of the voice of God in the revelation in the faith is leading to a disaster, even with the highest technical progress As you mentioned Einstein and there cannot be a relativism because it's against common sense. | ||
| We have to restore again the common sense. | ||
| How did someone, tell us a second, how did a little boy from Kazakhstan, one of the most remote places on earth, What's the arc of your story of how you became essentially the intellectual or one of the intellectual leaders and one of the fighters to get back to a more traditional Catholicism and therefore more traditional Christianity? | ||
| How did that happen? | ||
| At the beginning we spoke about tradition and so all what I have, I received. | ||
| It is not my merit. | ||
| And so we have to recognize that it is God in our life. | ||
| We call this divine providence, which puts us in a certain time, in a certain place, and then gives us the gifts through several means. | ||
| First, through the parents. | ||
| And I had the great happiness in my life, and I am so grateful to God that he gave me I have very believing Catholic parents and grandparents, so I grew up in a soil already with a deep Catholic faith. | ||
| Kazakhstan is not a traditional Catholic country. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In fact, it's a very tiny minority of Catholic Catholics. | ||
| We are currently only 0.5%. | ||
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0.5%? | |
| Yes, of the population Catholics. | ||
| You're one half of 1% of the country? | ||
| Yes, half percent. | ||
| and the majority are Muslims and a considerable part Russian Orthodox but I had to tell the story because I belong to the so-called Germans from Russia and to this group of the Black Sea Germans at the Black Sea shore. | ||
| There were 19th century German villages completely separated from Russians And even separated Catholic villages and Lutheran villages. | ||
| And so these were German farmers who came at the invitation of the Emperor. | ||
| He gave them land and so on. | ||
| And they transmitted faithfully the Catholic faith through generations. | ||
| And so my parents, and during the Second World War, well, in the thirties it was, I have to say, the years called the terror years of Stalin. | ||
| 36, 37, the horrible, and he killed Stalin, his own people, not foreigners, his own Soviet citizens, several millions in two years. | ||
| And my grandfather was one of the victims. | ||
| He was a young man. | ||
| He was only 27 years old. | ||
| And he was killed simply because of three reasons. | ||
| He was a German, he was a Catholic, really a practicing Catholic man, and he had some land. | ||
| And this was in these two horrible years, the terror years, already a reason to be killed. | ||
| And so he was on the list to be killed. | ||
| And so he was. | ||
| And my grandmother was alone with two children, my father and his brother. | ||
| And then the Germans of the Black Sea were not deported but evacuated during the Second World War by the German army to Germany, to East Germany, to save them from the Soviet army. | ||
| And then the Soviet army occupied East Germany and arrested all these people again and brought them back to Soviet Union as slave workers for forced labor. | ||
| And so my parents came to a labor camp in the Ural mountains and there they, by miracle of God, they survived because a great part of these Germans, they died of frozen and famine. | ||
| End of Exorcism. | ||
| Starved to death or froze to death? | ||
| Starved to death. | ||
| Hang on for one second. | ||
| I want to take a break. | ||
| We're going to continue this story of the journey of Bishop Schneider from Kazakhstan. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| Real America's Voice. | ||
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And I'm going to show you a little bit of that. | |
| Christ's triumph over the darkness of the age, it's a part of his biography of Bishop Snyder. | ||
| Going to make sure we put out a lot of his content over the coming days and weeks, months ahead, so we want the audience to know him. | ||
| Your parents are in a gulag, essentially a concentration camp. | ||
| People are starving to death and freezing to death. | ||
| It's very much like Solzhenitsyn's Day in the Life of Ivan Desnovich. | ||
| For our secular audience, because we have a large Catholic audience, traditional Catholic, we have a large Evangelical Christian, the secular audience would say, I haven't seen a lot of triumph. | ||
| Right? | ||
| All I see is, you know, all I see is deprivation. | ||
| I see, you know, young guy getting killed with, you know, his wife left with two children, murdered by these butchers. | ||
| Now they're taken to another land that they are not from, or have historical, they fight this horrible war. | ||
| They're enlisted, and then they get sent to slave labor camps. | ||
| The secular audience would go, where's the triumph? | ||
| The triumph of Christ is exactly In the heroic example and fidelity of the faithful, as my parents were in this horrible situation of this forced labor, they managed to organize a clandestine underground church And to transmit the faith in these situations. | ||
| And this is a triumph of Christ. | ||
| They were not afraid. | ||
| Would they have been executed immediately if they found the underground church? | ||
| Not immediately, but they could be imprisoned. | ||
| For practicing the faith? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so they made this. | ||
| And my parents were activists in the underground church in the Ural Mountains. | ||
| And were hiding priests. | ||
| And this strength, this power, that in midst of persecutions and this forced labor, people were able to remain faithful and to transmit their faith even with joy. | ||
| My parents had always joy. | ||
| This is my All my records and my memories of my childhood and my youth. | ||
| Even so, there was so much suffering, but they transmitted to us children the joy. | ||
| And this is the triumph of Christ. | ||
| In midst of the persecution, I have the joy of God. | ||
| And this is the proof that Christ is living, is alive in the lives of these people. | ||
| And in our day we have also, thanks be to God, many People, maybe they are families, maybe they are not known on the television or in the newspapers, but they are, who are keeping fidelity, faithfulness to God's commandments, to Christ, and who are joyfully transmitting The faith and the good education to their children. | ||
| So a slave labor camp and then afterwards they can transmit joy and you remember them as joyful people. | ||
| You look at the modern West today and you see these families with all this material wealth, but it's misery. | ||
| They're depressed. | ||
| They have to take drugs for it. | ||
| Is that, is your point that's the absence of lived Christianity? | ||
| That's the absence of Christ in their life? | ||
| They'll never be happy no matter how much material well-being they have? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is when Christ is not in your life and He's the only meaning, the only way, the only life for humanity, for every human being. | ||
| Without Christ you will never achieve true happiness and therefore we have these cases. | ||
| Therefore this is our task and the mission of the Church more than ever to help our The contemporary people who lost the faith and the meaning of life to bring them this happiness and joy of Christ that they can know Christ and receive Him in their lives. | ||
| And Christ will triumph and is triumphing in the lives of the people. | ||
| The church, at least the apparatus of the church that transmitted that to your grandparents and their parents and then down to your parents so they could be joyful in a living hell and pass that joy to you that would then dedicate your life to this. | ||
| When people look at the church today, let me just be brutally frank. | ||
| That's not what they see. | ||
| They don't see that transmission. | ||
| And particularly, I can look at Cardinal Zen in China. | ||
| I can look at the United States. | ||
| I can look at Europe. | ||
| You go to Europe. | ||
| You go to Rome, and you have the most magnificent architecture in the world. | ||
| And you go to these churches, as I do, and there's not even Italian priests. | ||
| They're priests from... They have to go to other places in the world, and there's... | ||
| Not 50 people, these churches can have a thousand people there, there's 50 people for Sunday Mass, and all those people, the average age of the people are 75 or 80 years old. | ||
| So, the church that transmitted that to your parents, that joy, that you then can pass down in the most horrible situation in the world, what has happened to that church? | ||
| Where is that church? | ||
| Exactly, this is the crisis. | ||
| in which we live since the second Vatican Council, since 60 years. | ||
| And this council was announced by Pope John XXIII as a kind of springtime which will come, but... Open the windows and let the fresh air springtime in. | ||
| But which air? | ||
| The air of the world. | ||
| It's not fresh. | ||
| The air of the modern world was poisoned. | ||
| Okay, but the Pope is infallible. | ||
| And he had the smartest people in the church at that time, including Pope Benedict, I think, and John Paul II, as younger priests or seminarians. | ||
| They were young, but they were part of it. | ||
| You had the smartest brains in the church, because this was not just a big deal, this was the biggest deal, because one had not been called in so long, particularly one like this. | ||
| How did they get it? | ||
| So how did they, and you have a magnificent book, The Springtime That Never Came. | ||
| And they're directed by Christ. | ||
| They've dedicated their lives to Christ. | ||
| How? | ||
| This is not something that's slightly wrong. | ||
| This is something that's dead wrong. | ||
| Dead wrong, as we now know. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So how did that happen? | ||
| It is a very delicate issue because Even these good people, and they were very bright in their mind, intellect, Karatzinger, Wojtyla in his young years, there was a kind of general atmosphere in the 60s before the Second Vatican Council with the announcement of a so-called New Springtime | ||
| to open the church, the windows to accept in some way the spirit of this world, to make peace with them. | ||
| It was a kind of a general atmosphere who, I would say, a virus, a spiritual virus, which infected even the best priests sometimes and bishops and they were enthusiastic | ||
| of this new, like, you know, a fashion can influence people, even an unreasonable, an unreasoned fashion can influence people, and they simply go with the current atmosphere. | ||
| And this was, to my opinion, even these good theologians like Ratzinger and Wojtyla, they were partly influenced by this enthusiasm More enthusiasm. | ||
| But who drove that? | ||
| Because you go back then, the church is kind of hitting on all cylinders. | ||
| It is growing. | ||
| It's growing in America. | ||
| It's growing through the missions. | ||
| You have a church. | ||
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There seems to be no problem. | |
| No huge problem. | ||
| Who came up with the idea, how do you even have to let the springtime in? | ||
| You have something that is getting more converts, it's growing. | ||
| You're getting, in the western world, whether it's Latin America or the United States, the church is growing vibrant and we're literally a shell of that today. | ||
| Who were the drivers that said, we have to make, not marginal change, But we have to make fundamental change because there's something deeply wrong here. | ||
| Yes, I think we have to go more back to the time of the modernism in the end of the 19th century which partly penetrated the life of the church, the seminaries and some theological faculties and the core | ||
| of this movement, the modernism, the Catholic modernism, was to adapt the way of thinking of the modern world, which is naturalistic, rationalistic, anthropocentristic, and basically relativism, saying that there is no stable and constant truth. | ||
| It's always evolving. | ||
| And therefore, these clergymen who were in some way repressed by the anti-modernist oath which was imposed to all clerics in 1910 by Pope St. | ||
| Pius X, they simply went silently and doing some networks to create | ||
| hiddenly to propagate their ideas within the church, and so, unfortunately, God permitted this, that Cardinal Roncalli was elected Pope in 58, with the name John XXIII, which was, he had some sympathies as a young professor, and then as a nuncio in Paris, | ||
| to this general movement of to accept partly this way of thinking of the modern time of the more naturalistic way or to adapt the church to the desires of this world and this was a deception and he was I don't know with which intention he accepted this but simply an error and so | ||
| And they spread this atmosphere, and when he became Pope, he started to proclaim this. | ||
| Of course, the Pope is not infallible always. | ||
| He is only rarely infallible when he speaks ex cathedrae, means when he speaks to the entire church, simply confirming the divine truth, not to proclaiming nothing new. | ||
| This is not infallibility of Pope. | ||
| The infallibility of Pope consists only in confirming a traditional truth. | ||
| We are going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| to reject a heresy with apostolic authority. | ||
| Only in these cases, this is infallibility. In other cases, the Pope can commit errors. We are going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| I'm going to ask you to think about this through the break, is what Vatican II, because in 67 after the end of Vatican II, you have they get rid of the oath against modernity, and then two years later the new mass arrives. | ||
| Is that heresy, and is your effort, crusade, fight, to return to a more traditional way of Catholicism, and it's personified in your magnificent book, The Catholic Mass, is this a A fight that can be won. | ||
| be back in a second in the morning. | ||
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| Okay, in your new book, The Catholic Mass, and I recommend this not just to Catholics and devout Catholics, observant Catholics, but really to all Christians. | ||
| I think everybody Would learn something from this. | ||
| Is Vatican II, with the loss of the Oath of Modernity a couple of years later, and the new mass that came in 1969, is that heresy? | ||
| Is your fight to return to a more traditional, even if smaller, Catholic Church? | ||
| Are you saying that it's all heretical, what came out of Vatican II, and that your fight is to basically stand in the breach and say that we must go back? | ||
| For sure, Vatican II is not a heresy and the New Mass is not a heresy. | ||
| We have to distinguish. | ||
| Heresy is a direct contradiction and denial of a divine revealed truth. | ||
| And this Vatican II did not. | ||
| And the new mess also no. | ||
| But the problem is... So people, Lefebvre and some people, there are people farther to the right than you that say it is. | ||
| You believe they're wrong because of this? | ||
| Archbishop Lefebvre did not say this. | ||
| He did not say that there were heresies. | ||
| But we have to distinguish between heresy, as I told you, it's a direct denial of the divine truth, and ambiguity. | ||
| So, this is. | ||
| The problem with Vatican II and then the New Mass is they contain ambiguity. | ||
| So, wakeness. | ||
| So, you can speak in a wake, ambiguous way about an important topic. | ||
| So, you leave the readers or those who will read this text of the Vatican II the possibility to To make an interpretation in one side or in a true way or in a wrong way. | ||
| And this is the problem. | ||
| The vagueness. | ||
| All is in grey. | ||
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It is so... Does that lead us to have pagan rituals from the Amazon conducted at the Vatican? | |
| Is that where that leads? | ||
| It can lead there. | ||
| But for the Mass, as you asked me, And therefore, the new mass is a kind of a mirror reflection of what the character of the Vatican II documents. | ||
| Of course, I have to say, we have to be just. | ||
| In the Vatican II documents, there are plenty good traditional affirmations, of course. | ||
| Thanks be to God. | ||
| But sometimes it is sufficient, I would say, a small poison And which can contaminate with ambiguity the rest. | ||
| And so the new Mass contains in some parts a very ambiguous language regarding the sacrificial character of the Mass. | ||
| Because the Holy Mass is substantially the celebration, sacramental celebration of the sacrifice of the cross of Christ, of our redemption. | ||
| sacrificial. | ||
| And this aspect is in some way undermined and darkened in some texts, in some places of the New Mass and in the ritual itself. | ||
| And this is very regrettable. | ||
| And therefore we have to To make, and there is a movement started by Archbishop Lefebvre, but not only by him, by other, even movements of lay people after the Council and until to other, to our days. | ||
| And here in the States, in other countries, there are very beautiful and people, good people, lay people, who are very committed to restore again the clearness, the clarity | ||
| and the beauty in unambiguity of the Catholic faith and the worship and therefore we have to promote again the traditional way of the Holy Mass which is so clear and unambiguous as a means to | ||
| To eliminate this vagueness, this ambiguity, which then leads, as you mentioned, also to heresy and to some even pagan worships. | ||
| My parents in our living room were part of that group, Catholics United for the Faith, that eventually helped bring back Tridentine. | ||
| Catholicism, Catholic Mass back in the mid to late 70s. | ||
| How did people, besides getting the book, Sophia Press is a magnificent publisher. | ||
| You go to Sophia, we'll be making sure everybody gets access to the book, the new book on the Mass, but you've got the Vatican II, the springtime that never gave, and of course your journey, but really more importantly the de-Christianization of the world. | ||
| How did people, is there a website they go to? | ||
| How do people find out more about you and your crusade to return to more traditional faith. | ||
| I have a website with the name GloriaDei.io and in this website are many articles and my videos about Catholic faith and I have monthly direct broadcasting every thirteenth of the month in the evening | ||
| where I'm giving a talk about Catholic faith, catechesis, and another month I'm answering questions of the audience. | ||
| Well, thank you very much for joining us. | ||
| We'll make sure that everybody gets access to that. | ||
| Bishop, thank you also, I think, from people in the United States for your journey here, and we look forward to seeing you again when you return. | ||
| Bishop Snyder has joined us. | ||
| I want to make sure everybody goes to Sophia Press. | ||
| The latest book is The Catholic Mass, that is the steps to restore the centrality of God in the liturgy, and this is Not just for observant Catholics, or maybe wayward Catholics, cultural Catholics, but also for all Christians. | ||
| I think you will learn a lot about this. | ||
| And of course, the other book about the Vatican II, Springtime That Never Came, one of the most controversial events of the 20th century, the Second Vatican Council. | ||
| And of course, Christ's Triumph Over Darkness, all from Sofia, or this is from Anglico Press, but you can get them up on his site. | ||
| We'll make sure everybody gets access to it. | ||
| Okay, so thank you very much. | ||
| I want to really thank Real America's Voice for our special, for all the production crew and everyone in Denver. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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You're welcome. | |
| And God bless you and your work. | ||
| Thank you, Bishop. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Rest We Behold Ye Adonals For the Lord is with thee, and with thy spirit. | ||
| Ave Maria! |
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