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Battleground EP 110: Courage To Face Covid-19; Continued Threat Of China; Constant Surge At Border
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
And this is why patriots have to put their shoulder to the wheel.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome.
We're at CPAC Live.
This is War Room Battleground.
We've got an incredible audience today.
But man, the guests.
I've got Kash Patel.
Kash, you were on the National Security Council for President Trump.
You were really his assistant for counterterrorism.
You're a guy that really was Devin Nunes' guy for years on the Intelligence Committee.
You went over to the Pentagon.
You were the Chief of Staff at the end.
I've got to ask you.
Knowing President Trump and knowing kind of what happened in those days, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't he actually ask for, I saw Pelosi and I think it was Cheney, lighten up President Trump this week.
Did President Trump not make a request for actually have troops given his concern about everything, how heated it was in the run up to January 6th?
kash patel
Yes.
Steve, it's great to be with you.
Thanks for having me on.
So yeah, look, as Chief of Staff, you know how the military works.
It is unconstitutional for any president to order the deployment of the military domestically.
The law is crystal clear.
steve bannon
Posse comitatus.
kash patel
Nailed it.
steve bannon
Right.
kash patel
The president can make an authorization, then there has to be a request.
January 3rd or 4th, we're in the Oval Office.
Me, the SecDef, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the President and Chief of Staff of the United States.
President Trump authorized up to 20,000 National Guards for across the country, not just D.C., for events related to January 6th.
We said, Roger that, sir.
That activated the chain of command.
We went to Nancy Pelosi and Mayor Bowser since it's D.C.
There has to be, under the law, a local government request.
Has a sign for it.
We went to her in person two days earlier.
She said no in writing.
I have Mayor Bowser's letter where she refused the additional support of the National Guard.
The Capitol Police's memorandum, who report to Nancy Pelosi, that's also public now.
They went, the Chief of Police went to them and they said no, no National Guard.
So President Trump could not do anything else on January 6th until those requests came in.
steve bannon
Hold on, hold on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
You're telling me you were in the Oval Office.
Miller was DoD at the time, interim DoD.
Yourself, you were Chief of Staff over there.
He actually made an authorization request, because it's got to go out the way Posse Comitatus works.
A local authority has to sign it and okay it.
You sent that out for the deployment of 20,000.
Was it National Guard?
National Guard.
20,000 throughout the country, potentially for things that might happen on January 6th.
This was on the 3rd of January.
That would have been Saturday or Sunday?
kash patel
Sunday, I think it was.
steve bannon
Sunday?
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
And that authorization went to Nancy Pelosi and it went to Mayor Bowser?
kash patel
And they rejected it in writing.
The documents are on my website, durhamwatch.com.
They're free.
All the Jan 6th stuff.
steve bannon
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Why is the New York Times, why is the Washington Post and the New York Times not picking up the story?
kash patel
They don't want the story.
steve bannon
Every headline out there is that Trump didn't want to authorize troops, didn't want to have any troops.
Failed in his duty as Commander-in-Chief.
Liz Cheney's pounding him.
You're saying that's a lie, and you've got the receipts?
kash patel
We've got the receipts, and I was the first guy subpoenaed by January 6th.
I went in there and brought their documentation, put it into the record.
I testified for six hours.
They didn't want to talk about January 6th.
steve bannon
Somewhere I missed in all the clips, I missed Kash Patel talking about the 20,000.
Did they not want to put that up in front of the nation and say, why is that not one of the video clips that Cheney shows?
kash patel
Because you know this better than anybody.
That doesn't fit their narrative, the disinformation campaign.
And I'm glad you brought up Liz Cheney.
So last week she was asked on national TV, what about President Trump's authorization?
She goes, Steve, she goes, there was no, quote, order from the president.
to deploy troops in the United States and I said thank you Liz Cheney for exonerating the President of the United States of the very crime of insurrection because he can't order it's unconstitutional for him to order that and the Secretary of Defense testified to that rightly so no order and then they tried to harp another narrative oh Donald Trump didn't call me or the SEC on Jan 6 I didn't need a phone call from him I needed a phone call from Nancy Pelosi and Mayor Bowser for the request. Walk the audience through posse comitatus Yeah.
steve bannon
People don't realize, after the Civil War, this came up as a very big deal about deployment of federal troops for a domestic situation.
There was a big issue about this in Katrina over a decade ago.
Explain to the audience what it is and what the Commander-in-Chief has to do.
kash patel
Yeah, so look, our founding fathers were right.
It's got to be a civilian control of government, a civilian control of the military.
We never want an actual insurrection where somebody hijacks the military and takes over the government.
So Posse Comitatus comes in and says two things have to happen.
The president can only authorize the use of the National Guard.
Then there must be a request from local authorities before that deployment occurs.
We got the authorization days before.
We've put that before the Jan 6th Committee.
They can't refute it because it's the truth.
Liz Cheney comes in and bandies this narrative about order.
Let me remind your audience, Steve.
Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense in 1992 during the L.A.
riots.
Do you know what Dick Cheney did as Secretary of Defense?
Got an authorization from H.W.
Bush as president for National Guard.
Then Dick Cheney got a request from Governor Lewis in California, and they deployed the National Guard.
steve bannon
Was it Duke Dumasian?
Was that the governor?
kash patel
I think Lewis, yeah.
But Liz Cheney knows how it works.
steve bannon
So in other words, she knows the process.
Then why is the media focus on this word order because even though even the Miller had said that the president cannot order that that's right It's against the law to order that in fact if he did order that then he would actually potentially be an insurrectionist, right?
He went through the exact process and over at DoD you had the lawyers of DoD check this out and the White House Council Everybody moved on it.
kash patel
Here's, I say, do the reverse math.
Because on January 6th, right, when Pelosi and Bowser finally made the request, we prepped to the limit of the law.
And we got the fastest coal start of the United States National Guard since World War II into D.C.
because we were ready and because the president authorized it.
But it takes time.
We've got to fly these guys in from all over the country.
But if the reverse math is true, right, everything we would have done would have been unconstitutional if what Liz Cheney and company is saying is true.
How did the Secretary of Defense have the authority to mobilize the National Guard if Trump didn't authorize it?
Miller would have been involved.
steve bannon
In the letters from Pelosi and Bowser, what are their rationale for turning down the authorization?
Optics.
kash patel
Optics.
Remember, these are the same people, Steve.
When President Trump walked across Lafayette Park with one military guy with one sidearm, they went nuts.
Fast forward to January 6th.
You know what Nancy Pelosi asked us for?
Belt-fed machine guns and armored tanks.
I said, ma'am, we're not turning downtown D.C.
into downtown Kandahar.
steve bannon
Hold on, hold on, hang on.
Their letter said the optics would look bad if troops were deployed.
They actually have that in the letter?
The January 6th committee has not put that in front of the American people?
unidentified
I did.
kash patel
It's out there now.
Bowser's letter and the Capitol Police timeline is on my website.
steve bannon
Okay, we've got to get it up and put it on the war room.
This is a huge story.
kash patel
Yeah, nobody's talking about it.
I'm glad you're clearing it up because most Americans think No, no, no.
steve bannon
From last week, when she said order, people think, well, Trump didn't do anything.
kash patel
Because they want it to mean like, and here's, you know, I'm a former federal prosecutor and a public defender.
I said, if you charge Donald Trump with insurrection, I call one witness, Liz Cheney, and hit play.
Donald Trump did not order the National Guard on January 6th.
That's correct.
Thank you.
unidentified
Right.
kash patel
He's innocent.
steve bannon
Next.
kash patel
Next.
steve bannon
By the way, Cash was the key guy.
You were a chief counsel You were the chief counsel for the House Intelligence, minority counsel, right?
kash patel
Majority at the time.
steve bannon
Majority under Nunes.
Yeah, Russiagate.
Man, shifty shift.
We went down to Skiff and got grilled by that guy.
If it hadn't been for Cash, isn't that one of the reasons that this committee is not really getting any traction?
They don't really have a minority leader, and they don't have a minority council, so there's no tension there.
It's all just hearsay and just guys throwing stuff out.
kash patel
No, I'm glad you brought it up.
It's not the sexy stuff, but Congress has a constitutional oversight role, as you know, that can only be performed constitutionally if both parties participate.
This is a unilateral committee that is acting illegally and unlawfully, and they said themselves, we're only giving you snippets of the investigation.
They won't release my transcript.
I've asked for its release every day since I took it.
steve bannon
Okay, talk to us.
You've turned into a writer, by the way.
I was talking about this a couple weeks ago.
This plot against the king, by the way, is it number one on Amazon in children's books?
kash patel
It's the number one children's book in the country.
steve bannon
Number one children's books in the country from Kash Patel.
It's a great story.
It's kind of a myth about President Trump.
It's incredible.
kash patel
It's Russiagate for kids.
steve bannon
Russiagate for kids.
And by the way, that's the way you've got to learn.
It's such a big hit.
Are you thinking about doing another one?
kash patel
We are doing another one, and I'd like to come on your show in two weeks and announce the sequel.
steve bannon
No, no, no, we want to.
kash patel
It's going to blow the lid off the country.
steve bannon
Really?
So you're doing a sequel to this, number one child in children's books.
Why did you decide, because you're a lawyer, you're a serious guy, counter-terrorism, every time you talk to Cash, Nunez and Cash would come over, you go, oh my god, the end of the world.
It's the end of the world.
How did you get into the business of writing children's books?
kash patel
You know, we just came up with this idea.
We've educated America on Russiagate, and we know what happened.
We exposed it.
But what about our kids?
What about our youth?
Why aren't they learning the truth?
So this is an apolitical way for our children to learn the power of the truth.
steve bannon
And you've promised me that we're going to come back in two weeks when you've got the next one.
kash patel
Oh, the next installment?
You're going to lose it when I announce this next installment.
steve bannon
By the way, we've got to start having you on The War on a more regular basis.
kash patel
That's going to happen.
steve bannon
It's going to happen.
Okay, great.
Cash Patel, one of the great patriots, and also guys like him and Rick Grinnell and Nunez.
These are the guys.
These are leaders of the MAGA movement.
They got Trump's back all the time.
You looking forward to the second term?
kash patel
I am.
I know you are, too.
steve bannon
By the way, is Cash Patel going to run?
Should Cash Patel head the CIA in the second term for President Trump?
kash patel
Be there with you, brother.
steve bannon
Thank you, Cash Patel.
We're going to turn now to China.
By the way, Cash is going to be at the speech tonight.
We'll see you right afterwards.
We're about to bring in one of the top experts on China, a man that's dedicated his life to taking down the CCP, the one and only Gordon Chang.
unidentified
The one and only Steve Bannon!
steve bannon
Okay, as we're sitting here right now, something you've warned everybody about for a long time.
The potential, if you're weak, all of a sudden you can slide into a kinetic war against the CCP.
Do you believe that they're prepping right now a naval and air blockade of essentially our ally in Taiwan?
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
What we have seen, the Chinese declared those live-fire exclusion zones around Taiwan.
There are six of them.
They actually encircle Taiwan.
steve bannon
They've encircled Taiwan right now?
unidentified
They've encircled Taiwan right now.
And one of those zones, the one to the southwest, is so close to the main island of Taiwan that it actually infringes Taiwan's sovereign airspace and water.
That's incredibly provocative.
steve bannon
What is the 7th Fleet?
What are you capable of doing to push this back?
I mean, I was a 7th Fleet sailor.
It's the historic 7th Fleet that won the war in the Pacific in World War II.
It's not the same instrument it used to be.
Can the 7th Fleet, could they break a naval blockade of Taiwan?
unidentified
They can if they act first but right now we have the Ronald Reagan strike group, which is in the vicinity and President Biden ordered it to stay there on an indefinite period because of the tensions But you know right now the Chinese, of course, they've got more ships than we do They've got certainly more willpower Do you believe that they know how to fight these ships?
steve bannon
I mean, naval combat is very, very important.
We saw that in World War II with the Japanese.
It's one thing to have the instruments.
It's another thing when the balloon goes up.
China's never been in a major naval conflict in blue water navy.
Do you believe they have the capability when the balloon goes up to actually keep it all together in kind of that combined arms naval warfare?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't think so.
And the reason is that, as you point out, look, they're going to try something that they have never done, not only in the history of the People's Republic, but also in the history of China, which is a combined land, air, sea operation.
The problem with China right now is that it's a communist army.
Like the Soviet army, it has two lines of command.
Are these generals basically political generals?
steve bannon
Are they admirals, political admirals?
unidentified
Do they have a meritocracy when it comes to warfighters?
more important than the military line.
That's never a good recipe for...
steve bannon
Are these generals basically political generals?
Are they admirals, political admirals?
They have a meritocracy when it comes to war fighters?
unidentified
Or is it as corrupt as the rest of the CCP?
At the flag officer level, it is entirely political.
And the reason is Xi Jinping wanted to grab control of the military.
See, he became General Secretary of the Communist Party in 2012.
He became Secretary because he was everybody's second choice.
He was not a member of any faction.
So, nobody wanted him, but they wanted, they least... Ranked choice voting, ranked choice voting in the CCP.
He was the least unacceptable choice.
So when he became General Secretary, then what happened is he needed a political base, because the Communist Party is factionalized.
And what he did was he looked to certain flag officers to be the core of his support.
So he has replaced the Jiang Zemin generals, the Hu Jintao generals, and so it's his military.
But those generals realized that they owe their loyalty to him.
steve bannon
The financial implosion, you've been warning people about this for a long time.
Real estate values have dropped 30%.
You see tanks like in Tiananmen Square outside of the Henan branch of the Bank of China.
Laobai Jing is told that, hey, the 50 cents on every dollar of the slave wages that you save to try to get through life, particularly when you come to retirement, is now deemed an investment product.
They can't get their cash.
Evergrande is supposed to put out a $300 billion recapitalization plan.
The real estate company, they don't put it forward.
The Chinese Communist Party says, hey, we're going to raise $150 billion to recapitalize these banks.
Is this thing as big a mess?
And is this going to implode and take down the CCP?
unidentified
I think so, Steve, but I think that Beijing is going to try to do two things.
First of all, try to drag it out.
So we've seen this big stimulus program that was announced a couple weeks ago.
But the problem for Beijing is that nobody wants to borrow right now because they can see that if they build, They're not going to get their money back.
steve bannon
And they don't get their real estate.
unidentified
And they don't get their real estate.
Second thing is that you have Xi Jinping right now, I think, is creating crises abroad to distract the Chinese people.
That's one way out of this for him.
So if, for instance, he creates a crisis with Taiwan or India or the Philippines or Japan, then, you know, people aren't going to think about the problems at home.
There's only one real big problem for Xi Jinping, though, is that the Chinese people don't really want war right now.
They've got the COVID lockdowns they're really unhappy about.
And as you point out, the value of their real estate has been dropped about 30-40% in the last couple months.
That means they're losing their savings.
steve bannon
Everybody thought it was a block in November for him to be essentially named emperor for life.
Do you think that's changed with developments over the last six to eight weeks?
unidentified
You know, right now the Chinese political system is less transparent than it's been in a very long time.
Really?
steve bannon
You even say that?
As a student of this, it's tough for you even to read the tea leaves?
unidentified
I know less about China today than I did two years ago or so.
Because Xi Jinping has been closing the country up and the political system has gotten really murky.
But one thing I can say is that yes, most China watchers, like 95% of them, say that he's going to get his unprecedented third term.
Everybody is also saying that the people who don't like Xi Jinping, who thinks his policies are horrible, they want to put other high officials around Xi in order to constrain him from doing what he wants to do.
That means political infighting because Xi Jinping is going to get rid of those guys.
steve bannon
By the way, it's never been more turbulent.
That's why you need a guy like Gordon Chang.
How do people get to your writings?
What's the website, and are you working on a new book?
unidentified
Not working on a new book because things are changing too fast.
Way to get a hold of me is basically at Twitter, at Gordon G. Chang, and my website where I archive my articles for free is www.gordonchang.com.
steve bannon
And people see you on Fox, they see you on Newsmax, and you put up when your hits are going to be on Twitter?
unidentified
I put my hits up on Twitter.
steve bannon
Are you also on True Social and Getter?
unidentified
No, I haven't.
And I'm not on Facebook.
Just Twitter.
steve bannon
Hadn't been banned yet.
unidentified
I've just stretched to the limit right now.
steve bannon
Gordon Chang.
By the way, you admit it.
You've been doing this a long time.
It's never been more intense.
It's never been more urgent what's happening.
unidentified
Absolutely.
Really worried.
You know, the Chinese are doing things that they've never done before.
Like these dangerous intercepts in the air where they almost brought down an Australian plane on May 26th.
They fired flares and chaff at the plane.
The chaff got ingested into one of the two engines.
They almost brought that plane down.
steve bannon
Gordon Chang, you're one of my heroes, my mentor, I gotta tell you.
unidentified
You're my hero.
steve bannon
No, no, you know so much.
This guy, when the CCP falls, one of the critical guys that have backed the Lao-Beijing and Chinese people for decades and decades and decades, and enlightened the American people in years when they didn't want to hear it, is Gordon Chang.
Sir, honor to have you on here.
unidentified
Honor for me.
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Gordon Chang, look forward to having you back.
Okay, we're going to go to one of my favorite doctors now.
I've got to ask him.
Joe Biden keeps getting sick.
Dr. Peter McCullough.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
How you doing, brother?
unidentified
Thank you.
God bless you.
steve bannon
Let me see this book.
By the way, we're here in Dallas.
Dallas is where you're located, right?
That's where I am.
We're so lucky.
I've got a question.
I've got a question before I talk about the book.
Tell me about Biden and the vaccine.
Why has Biden had COVID now for the third time?
unidentified
He took, he took all the, he took, was it Pax, Pax, Pax, Paxlovid.
steve bannon
He's been boosted.
He's got nine shots.
Is the facade and joke that this vaccine is cratering around Biden's continuing to have this?
unidentified
Biden and Fauci.
What we know is that the vaccines now appear to weaken the immunity.
They are misdirecting the immune system against the obsolete Wuhan spike protein.
The messenger RNA stays in the body for months and the body's trying to deal with this.
The spike protein stays in the body for probably over a year.
So his misdirected immune system now can't react to the Omicron variant.
On top of that, he's treated with Pexavoid.
Which the CDC says don't do this in fully vaccinated people.
This drug was used in patients who are unvaccinated, where the immune system is responsive.
So, you know, I haven't seen a single doctor profess any competency in managing outpatient COVID looking at either Fauci or Biden.
They didn't call us.
steve bannon
I want to go back through this, because the guy is, you know, it's an illegitimate regime, but he's there.
When he got it, has anything he's done worked on any, even their protocol, that's my point, even their protocols, they're just making it up as they go along?
Is that how you see it?
unidentified
No, there's some good in this.
For instance, the monoclonal antibodies have always been good.
Remember former President Trump received them?
steve bannon
Yes.
unidentified
Joe Rogan, Erin Rogers, people reached out to me.
I've used them in my practice.
The monoclonal antibodies are wonderful.
You know, the 15% of people lucky enough to receive monoclonal antibodies who are hospitalized, they did great!
In a recent paper by Huang and colleagues, they showed this.
Sadly, 85% of people admitted to hospitals, and sadly those who died, did not get offered this life-saving treatment.
steve bannon
Why was that?
Because of cost?
Or why were they not offered it?
unidentified
There was inequities in the supply chain.
There was a lot of miscommunication.
Patients were told, just come to the ER.
They're rapidly hospitalized.
They were actually given a drug that the WHO says don't use, which is remdesivir.
They were ventilated too early on a mechanical ventilator.
There were all kinds of actions in the pandemic response that are nonsensical.
steve bannon
What about now with Biden?
I mean, how does a guy get it three times in a row in such a short period of time?
unidentified
What do you attribute that to?
The vaccines are non-sterilizing.
They allow the virus to continue to foment in the nasopharynx.
So in a sense, the vaccines are supporting the virus in the nasopharynx.
They're not sterilizing them.
And on top of that, The use of just an antiviral alone is not managing the inflammation and not managing other processes in the infection.
So when I publish the McCulloch Protocol, it's using a combination of drugs to extinguish the infection.
Do you know my mom, who's in senior living here in Dallas, How old is she?
She's 83.
She got the infection about the same time as Biden.
Unvaccinated.
She got drugs in sequence.
She got ivermectin, nutraceutical supplements, iodine nasal washes, corticosteroids, and other anti-inflammatories.
Five days.
She's, I'm better.
I'm done.
At 83?
steve bannon
In senior living.
Are we not seeing Tony Fauci?
It's one of the reasons we're not seeing The Courage to Face COVID-19, your book, and you wrote this with a crime writer because you said this is like a thriller, okay?
Is one of the reasons we're not seeing Fauci as much is because of books like this and the Dr. Malone's yourself doing these media hits?
Is that the reason?
unidentified
There isn't.
You know, Robert F. Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, it's all in the open.
The National Institutes of Health, under Francis Collins and Fauci's guidance in the National Allergy, Immunology, Infectious Disease Branch, they were part of this problem to begin with, and it's been a massive cover-up on pandemic response.
steve bannon
Hold on, what do you mean cover-up?
That's a very large term.
unidentified
I mean a cover-up.
This is a very important term.
A cover-up.
Meaning that when things are exposed, when the Pfizer documents revealed 1,223 deaths shortly after the release of Pfizer vaccines, people are dying after this vaccine, that the CDC, NIH, and FDA are collusional in actually suppressing it.
The lawyer for the FDA did not want to release that data to America for 55 years.
That's a prima facie evidence of a cover-up.
steve bannon
The Kennedy book and these other books, do you think it's destroyed Fauci's reputation, or do you think we need to get a full investigation by the House once we take over to get to the facts?
unidentified
Full investigation.
steve bannon
Full investigation.
Why do you argue for that?
unidentified
The amount of redaction that we have seen in documents so far.
Senator Ron Johnson has 43 letters of inquiry.
He's receiving mountains of redaction.
We need these people front and center, Steve.
And you know what?
We need to see them questioned before the American public.
steve bannon
Um, so what do you do, what do you mean by, what do you mean by investigation?
What would you like to see?
If Peter McCullough, Malone, if you guys are sitting there and advising the Jim Jordans, advising the McCarthys, how would you structure these to make sure we got to the full bottom of all, of the Wuhan, of the gain of function of all of it?
unidentified
They should be investigated according to lines of the law.
We have regulatory law.
Regulatory law.
We actually have law in terms of how products are presented to the American public.
We have the Truth in Advertising Act, the Landman Act, the U.S.
Drug and Cosmetic Act, and according to the law on presentation of the products, what did these people know, what did they direct, what did they do, and how were the laws violated?
steve bannon
Why did they throw out all these different, you know, we had processes at FDA and other things.
Why did they throw them all out?
Did the pandemic at the time, you think, rise to the level, given the information we had, to just throw everything out?
Or do you think there was enough evidence there we should have stuck with the program for the FDA?
We should have stuck with the normal vaccine process and not gone to emergency use authorization?
unidentified
Well, absolutely.
We should have just used the conventional methods in terms of safety and efficacy.
The thought pattern that was going on is, this is a really bad problem.
We haven't developed anything else.
We're going to go with these vaccines and boy, they better work.
And if they don't work, we're going to double, quadruple, and triple down on it.
And that's where we are right now.
steve bannon
And do you think the evidence at the time, given all the uncertainty, justified doing the route they want to do?
Particularly when we talk efficacy.
You talk about the vaccine.
We're essentially doing, as Naomi Wolf and these volunteers do this research, we're essentially still doing a clinical trial right now on the American people with these vaccines?
unidentified
We're doing a large observational investigation.
It is a clinical trial.
It should have had a day safety monitoring board, a critical event committee, a human ethics committee.
There should have been safety reports to America once a month.
We should know who's having problems with the vaccines, who's doing well with the vaccines, and why.
steve bannon
By the way, tell me about the book.
We've got about a minute.
The book, Courage to Face... Are you going to turn this into a movie because it reads like a thriller?
unidentified
We need to.
I tell you, I want Daniel Craig to play me.
But Courage to Face COVID-19, it's a story.
It's a crime story.
And it's written for the public.
steve bannon
When you say a crime story, what's the crime?
unidentified
What's the crime?
The two crimes are fraud No.
mass negligent homicide. Who are the defendants? The biopharmaceutical complex. This very, very intricate group of stakeholders who have from the very beginning a plan to suppress early treatment and railroad these vaccines.
steve bannon
You mean big pharma and the biotech industry that's around that? And the government agencies.
And the government agencies.
That would be CDC, FDA, it would be Fauci, Dr. Collins?
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
Okay.
Dr. McCullough, real quickly, on social media, how do people follow you?
unidentified
Follow me?
I got a linktree, petermculloughmd.com, and on Twitter, I have 2.5 million people on my Twitter account each day.
Twitter's unfollowing me down to 500,000 followers.
steve bannon
Hold it, they've taken you from $2.5 million down to $500,000?
unidentified
They're running unfollowed programs.
steve bannon
Are you on True Social or Getter yet?
unidentified
Both of them.
steve bannon
Okay, fine.
What are you on True Social and Getter?
What's your handle?
unidentified
P underscore McCullough MD.
steve bannon
You're an American hero.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
So glad to finally have you in studio.
unidentified
God bless you.
steve bannon
No, seriously, great man.
Okay, short commercial break.
We're going to be back with War Room Battleground.
We've got Ken Paxson from the Long Horse State next in studio.
unidentified
You're hot, man.
Banning is the hottest thing here.
War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
War Room Battleground right here.
Mike Lindell, Frank Speech TV.
We've got the great Attorney General Ken Paxson from the Longhorse State, Texas.
Thank you so much for joining us, Ken.
unidentified
Glad to be here.
Welcome.
steve bannon
Can we have a shout out for Ken Paxson?
What a great job he's doing.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
Thank you.
Now hold it, hold it, hold it.
You've got Chris Kobach was on the other day, the night before making his pitch to the War Room Posse on the show.
And he said, he said, look, I got to win this because somebody's got to come in.
Kansas has got to come in and have the back of Texas.
He said, poor Ken Paxson's got 25 major lawsuits against the Biden administration.
Ken informs me, he says, no, Ken, Chris Kobach's incorrect.
You have 31 major lawsuits.
unidentified
Yeah, he's just a little behind on it, but I would love to have his help.
steve bannon
How do you have 31?
Are they totally lawless?
unidentified
They look at federal law as adjustable for them to change.
That's not the way the Constitution was set up.
That is the major problem.
steve bannon
Give me an example.
Give me the best example.
They think they've got federal law.
They can flip it and do what they want.
unidentified
I'll give you an example.
Money was appropriated for building the wall.
steve bannon
Yes.
I think I remember that.
unidentified
Joe Biden says, no, we're not building the wall.
We're going to we're going to stop all the building.
We're going to still pay the contractors.
All the materials are going to sit on the sidelines.
I'm not building the wall.
steve bannon
He would pay the contractors.
unidentified
Keep the material in your contract.
steve bannon
Keep it there, but not actually put the wall up.
unidentified
That's illegal.
He's he is required to follow what's appropriate and not make up his own rules on what what he's going to spend.
steve bannon
Talk to me about the two or three most important lawsuits you've got against the Biden administration, one that you think will move the needle in holding this illegitimate regime to account for what they've tried to do to the American people.
unidentified
Title 42, we've sued them over Title 42, which if that, if we lost that, if Title 42 is not in place, the border already is.
steve bannon
Title 42, is this about bringing COVID in?
unidentified
Yes, that's the only thing left.
that is useful in protecting the border.
steve bannon
In other words, we'd have 500,000 people, illegal aliens a month.
unidentified
Yeah, the number goes up even more, which we're already overwhelmed.
I know DC is too, because they've got 4,000 now.
steve bannon
No, that's because...
We get that every day.
But that's because what Governor Abbott and you guys have done, which is smartly shifted up there.
Bowser's called out the National Guard.
She didn't call out the National Guard on January 6th, but she's called out the National Guard now.
unidentified
But do you know that's 0.1% of the illegals that have come across the border?
steve bannon
We get that every day, and she's complaining about 0.1% of the total illegals that have Why is it like such a game where you've got, they're called migrants, but it's not even illegal.
They've got an open door they're coming through.
It's destroying Texas.
It's destroying South Texas and the Rio Grande Valley.
The working class Hispanics are the ones that bear the brunt of that.
It's like a game with the Biden administration.
How do we stop the game?
unidentified
It's a strategy, and the strategy is simple.
We want to get as many people here at any cost.
Whether we have more drug overdoses, which we do, whether we have more crime, whether it economically impacts the states that they go to, they're fine with all of that.
And the goal is twofold.
One, get as many people here as possible so they can give them amnesty.
And they're putting in mostly in Republican states.
steve bannon
Secondly, that... You think they're doing that because they wanted to vote one day?
Yes, but secondly... There's no doubt in your mind?
unidentified
No doubt.
These are states that are doing well economically.
They're attracting businesses and people, and they want to harm our states.
That's another side benefit.
steve bannon
You think that they're going after the red states in this regard?
unidentified
Yeah, this is a way to hurt us.
steve bannon
So tell me, the lawsuit, you got Title 42 to stop it.
What are you trying to do besides 42 to thwart this invasion of the southern border to stop the Biden administration?
What else is there to do that you're trying to do?
unidentified
We're trying to force him to build the wall.
Money's been appropriated by Congress to build the wall.
There's no doubt.
Border Patrol told Trump, here's what you need to do if you want to have a permanent solution.
to most of the immigration problem.
And the Biden administration says, ah, it's appropriated from Congress.
We're not going to spend it the way we're supposed to.
We make that decision, not Congress.
steve bannon
What about the, what about all these things about CRT, gender ideology, you've got the situation down there with gender, all this gender surgery, you've got the abortion centers, all the things in the cultural area.
What are you guys doing on that?
unidentified
So we're defending, we just defended our abortion law, our laws.
We also, we were the amicus brief with all the other states.
Do you think they're saying now that this could be a political advantage to the Democrats?
to be overturned. That was our brief. So we're very engaged in that fight and we've continued to win that fight, which is amazing to me that we've come this far.
steve bannon
Do you think they're saying now that this could be a political advantage to the Democrats?
Do you see that in Texas at all?
unidentified
No, Wendy Davis eight years ago ran for governor's Democrat and she made abortion the central theme of her campaign She stood up in the Senate I was right next I remember that and she tried to thwart the will of the people on our passage of became a hero on MSNBC and she ran on that issue and lost overwhelmingly.
You know why because there's a lot of Catholic Hispanics who don't like Unlimited abortion.
steve bannon
And that's one of the reasons that we're talking about maybe getting 55% of the Hispanic vote now in Texas.
Maybe more.
You think maybe more?
unidentified
It may be even more.
The Hispanic population, according to things I've seen and polls I've seen, they have the highest dislike of Joe Biden by any group.
steve bannon
Because they're cultural.
Talk to me, before I let you go, voter integrity.
You were on, you've been on so many times, but you were on back, I think, at the beginning of the year.
It was in December.
unidentified
December.
steve bannon
There was a big problem.
They got this kink in Texas law that they, what, certain prosecutors don't report to you?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
steve bannon
You're the Attorney General, but they don't report to you?
unidentified
Yeah, so all the DAs, unfortunately in Texas, this is the way it works.
They are responsible for prosecuting all criminal acts.
I can only take referrals, except for one thing.
In 1951, the legislature granted the Attorney General voter fraud, probably because it wasn't being prosecuted locally.
We've been doing that for over 70 years, and the Court of Criminal Appeals, which is largely unknown, they're all Republican, 8-1 struck that down, which means now the local DAs in big cities, which are funded by Soros, will not prosecute voter fraud and we'll lose Texas.
steve bannon
How do Republicans in Texas, judges, vote 8-1 to reverse that and send it back to the How did that happen?
unidentified
70 years of precedence.
They looked at a provision from the legislature that was authorized by the Texas Constitution.
And look, I can't answer that question.
These are Republicans, but no one knows who they are.
If I asked any Republican out here, 99.9% couldn't name one of them, which makes me very suspicious of the people that are on that court.
steve bannon
Soros is ideologically our enemy, but he's smart and crafty, right?
unidentified
He's very smart.
He's a genius.
steve bannon
Genius?
You said genius.
The way he looks at certain areas.
unidentified
I think he did this.
I think he put his DA's in place, and without us knowing, he had an impact on this court.
steve bannon
How did we find out more about your campaign?
We were all over the primary.
By the way, historic.
You really destroyed the Bush apparatus.
And I know from a self-effacing, humble guy like Ken Paxson, that had to sting in Bushland.
Tell us about the general campaign.
How do people, the House of Warren posse, get to your site to support you?
unidentified
Thank you.
KenPaxson.com, website, and then at KenPaxsonTX is Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.
steve bannon
You know, you're like one of the heroes from the old movies.
You're very humble and self-effacing, but you're tough as boot leather.
You never back off.
So honored.
Attorney General of the great state of Texas, Longhurst State.
Thank you, sir.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to get Royce White in here in just a second.
Let's go ahead and roll, guys.
Thank you, Ken.
Thank you so much, man.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
How you doing brother?
steve bannon
OK, now we got the one and only Royce White.
By the way, Ken Paxton's running.
We just talked about his race.
Tell us about what's happening on Tuesday.
royce white
Tuesday, primary election versus uniparty, establishment, globalist, C.C.
Davis.
steve bannon
Hang on a second.
They had a primary.
Doug Wardlow, Mike Lindell's lawyer, was running for Attorney General.
He got the okey-doke at the state convention.
royce white
That's right.
steve bannon
What happened?
They had a local convention, and I thought you were leading in the first round.
Why do we even have a primary on Tuesday?
royce white
We have a primary because the Minnesota Republican Establishment is an example of, greatly an example of what the National Republican Establishment is, which is the outer bastion of defense for New World Order and the globalist agenda.
And the Minnesota, you know, the Minnesota Republican Party's idea of election strategy is to become Democrat-like.
steve bannon
What do you mean?
They become undocumented Democrats?
royce white
They believe that in order to appeal to deep blue states, you have to lie to them and appease their Democrat ideas and values.
And if you can't do that, or if you do that and you win, you don't really win in my opinion.
You lose.
unidentified
Because you're winning on a false... How do you come back to those... How do you come back?
royce white
You either actually become a Democrat over the two years of your Let's talk about your opponent.
steve bannon
This is coming up on Tuesday on All the War in Policy.
Make sure you go check out Royce and what Royce stands for.
But what are the policy differences?
We'll talk about the personal differences and making things happen.
And the best person to beat Omar.
Because that's what we want.
What are the policy differences between you and CeCe?
It's C.C.
Davis, right?
royce white
And she doesn't even have a real policy agenda.
Her campaign from the start was a cutout to be a controlled opposition to Omar.
Somebody who they could use to raise money.
steve bannon
You don't believe she can beat Omar?
royce white
There's no way she could beat Omar.
unidentified
Is that you being too harsh?
royce white
She was never meant to beat Omar.
steve bannon
You're saying this, in your belief, this is a total setup?
royce white
Controlled opposition from the start to raise money based on the fact that she's a black woman and she could raise two million dollars and they spend 1.8 million, they don't have a nickel to rub together and I don't see her face anywhere when I'm in the city.
I don't see any billboards, any ads on TV.
unidentified
They spent $1.8 million in general.
royce white
So far, they raised $2 million.
They spent $1.9 million.
We don't see her anywhere in the Twin Cities and in our district.
And that means the political operatives robbed the campaign.
And this has become the outer bashing of defense to keep real American candidates from general elections.
steve bannon
Now, you have basically said, I'm not going to play that game.
I'm not going to go.
I'm not going to have the consultants.
I'm not going to have the guys that take $0.85 every dollar to raise money.
What I'm going to do is run a non-traditional campaign.
unidentified
Walk us through that.
royce white
Because Real America's Voice, because of the War Room, because of your support, because of people even like Alex Jones and Jason Whitlock, we were able to raise around $400,000 completely grassroots with no third-party fundraising bundlers that take 80% People don't realize, the greatest business in the world, right?
It offends me.
steve bannon
Who has 80% distribution fees?
royce white
No middleman gets 80%.
unidentified
This has been a wake up for you, the political system?
royce white
You see my face.
steve bannon
No, no, no.
But I mean, no.
But if people in the community, if the African-American community understood the actual structure of the political system, they would say, what are we doing here?
This thing's so corrupt, right?
You can't get to a good outcome because it's so corrupt in the process.
royce white
Even white working classes.
Look, the most alarming thing I've learned during this entire time entering into the political process is that the bundlers who fundraise for most candidates Take 80% on the dollar of the American taxpayer and citizen.
And they put it right in their pocket.
And we just said we're not... Individually, I made a pact with the people around me in my campaign early on in this thing to say we will not do any business with any third-party fundraisers that want to take 80 cents on the dollar from the American people.
steve bannon
So the 400,000, you use that to build a growth.
First off, number of Republicans that vote in the district, 20,000?
What's the number?
royce white
15,000.
steve bannon
About 15,000 of actual people to show up on primary day.
royce white
That's right.
steve bannon
To reach those people, are you doing town halls?
Are you knocking on doors?
royce white
What's the engagement in the We did town halls, we did door knocking, we did direct targeted ads to Facebook.
The data shows that a lot of the primary voters spent a lot of time online so we did a lot of targeted ads and we did billboards.
I mean, we did about eight billboards throughout the city in main and central locations.
steve bannon
Isn't the key to beat Omar, correct me if I'm wrong, in this district, is to do outreach to the African American community that would vote?
And isn't C.C.
Davis the best candidate to do that?
Or are you the best candidate to do that?
royce white
No, Cece Davis is not even a real candidate.
She didn't come from our community.
She didn't come from our neighborhood.
Nobody black is voting for Cece Davis.
And I'm sorry to say it, you know, she's a token Republican.
She's one of these people who saw an opportunity to have a job.
She draped herself in MAGA and Trump when she started the campaign.
And slowly, as the campaign is going on, she stripped her social media and everything else from anything Trump.
She's really become a never-Trumper.
And the parties are never Trumpers.
steve bannon
They're never Trumpers.
In a district up in Minneapolis, right, in that district, how are you going to be pro-Trump and pro-MAGA and have a shot, not just at the primary, but actually have a shot against taking on Omar?
royce white
Listen, and this is why I think that the president should endorse me and that the president and I should develop a good relationship because going into 2024, He needs people that can actually go into these black communities and speak to these issues and bring the America First agenda to these people in a truthful and honest way where they understand that what they've been told about Donald Trump and the agenda, nationalist populist movement, trade,
The border, all of these things is not what they've been sold.
And only real genuine people that come from those communities who aren't sellouts can deliver that message, can drive that message home.
And I think I can do that.
I've begun to do that, but we'll continue.
This is a long game.
I'm 30 years old.
That's why I got into this at this age, because we're losing the country and I want to help save it.
steve bannon
When you watch MSNBC or CNN, you think what the black community is concerned about is racism.
If you just watch, all race.
You talk about China.
You talk about geopolitics.
You led a march in the George Floyd situation from that interstate highway down to the Federal Reserve.
You're talking about a whole different set of issues.
Is that resonating?
Does that connect?
When you start talking to African-Americans and white working class, In middle class, in the district, and they never hear this nomenclature before.
Do you believe you're starting to connect?
royce white
We're making huge inroads.
I mean, the black community was already primed to believe that there was a greater establishment that moved in the shadows and worked to undermine the value of their citizenship and the American dream.
They've been misdirected at who those people actually are, what those players are, and they've been made to think that it's conspiracy theory, but like you say, it's not a conspiracy.
It's right out there in the open.
So all I'm doing when I march 18,000 people to the Federal Reserve in George Floyd is say, why are we at the police precincts?
Where do you think the fentanyl's coming from?
The fentanyl's coming straight from China.
This is a reverberation from an opium war that they never stopped fighting.
This is payback time.
steve bannon
From the first opium war back in the 19th century.
royce white
From the first opium war.
And Big Tech, and Wall Street, and the D.C.
elites, and Hollywood, and all the other swamp creatures, they're all in on it.
They're okay with our young people dying from fentanyl at record rates.
These are the ramifications.
It happens in the black community.
People getting marijuana and things laced with fentanyl, dying at an all-time alarming rate.
And when you tell them that the fentanyl's coming from China, they go, what?
Never knew it was coming.
Who's manufacturing it?
Johnson & Johnson.
They go...
unidentified
Wow.
royce white
Who's giving you the vaccine?
Johnson & Johnson?
Okay.
So they're starting to wake up, but the problem has been that the Republican establishment has been afraid to go into the places that have been roped off by the Democrat Party, and I don't think that they've done that on accident.
I think they've conceded that territory out of fear and out of co-conspiracy.
steve bannon
Fear of being called racist?
unidentified
Fear of being called xenophobic?
royce white
No, fear of speaking the truth.
Fear of picking up a Bible and bringing a ministry of truth into the most dangerous places.
And even us Christians, the referendum is on us Christians.
We have to find the ministry.
We have to go speak the truth in the darkest and most dangerous of places.
That was our call.
That was our charge given to us by the Lord and Father.
And every time, every year that goes by that we don't do that, we move closer and closer to total annihilation.
steve bannon
Your faith comes through you when you speak, your politics, your thinking.
How did you come to your faith and how important it is in your lived experience?
royce white
Well, I grew up a Catholic.
I grew up a Christian.
When I fought the NBA about mental health, it was kind of super political.
It was about the human condition.
It was about psychology.
Because I came into the public square in a very unique way, through the sports vector, I didn't realize that atheism had gotten so out of control.
I didn't realize that the anti-God sentiment, even amongst middle white America, was so out of control until the George Floyd thing happened.
And then I marched us to the Fed, and I made us bow our head in prayer, and I look up and only half of the people's heads were bowed.
steve bannon
Is that true?
royce white
Yeah.
Yeah, I made, we bowed our head in prayer outside the Federal Reserve.
I look up, only half the people's hands were bowed, and the majority of them were white.
And I call my best friend and I go, he was the first one to tell me that the white atheism thing was out of control.
And I argued with him.
I said, no, no, no, you're completely wrong.
There are plenty of Christians left in this country.
And when I saw it firsthand, I went, oh my God.
This is really, it's clear that this is a problem.
We have no sacred honor.
All of the political, all of the economic is all downstream from a loss of sacred honor.
steve bannon
Talk to me.
We've got a couple of minutes left.
I want people very much to focus on what you have to do over the next couple of days.
You're actually here for the Big Three League, but you're going to go back to campaign.
Give your website.
How do people support you?
But where are you going to be when you get back to Minneapolis?
They can see you on the run-up to Election Day.
royce white
RoyceWhite.us, that's our campaign website.
Obviously you can follow me on Getter, you can follow me on Substack.
I'm on True Social.
We play here at the Big 3 tomorrow and I'll be back in Minnesota first thing Sunday morning.
We got Monday, hopefully.
We host War Room Live from Minneapolis on Monday.
steve bannon
We're working that non-stop.
royce white
We're working that.
We've done everything we can do in the district.
13,000 Republican voters in CD5, and they get to decide on Tuesday whether or not they want to have a country.
I'm very, very happy that the people of Arizona decided that they want to have a country.
It's a huge key turn in our country's political landscape, and I hope we can do the same thing in the primary in Minnesota on Tuesday.
steve bannon
What has Royce White learned about himself in this process?
royce white
Well, I learned that I'm certainly not a sellout.
You're stuck to your principles.
And we have to keep going, irregardless of winning or losing.
If we win by becoming Democrats, if we win by becoming The devil.
If we win by losing our sacred honor, we lose in the eternal, and that's what's most important.
steve bannon
For all your fans out there, this is a commitment of yours.
You're now engaged in the political process of this country.
You're not backing off.
royce white
Listen, if we don't win, If for some reason the Republican constituency of CD5 of 13,000 Republican voters decide they don't want to have a country and they want to be a piggy bank for the party of Davos or a tributary state to China or a surf society to Wall Street and the Fed, then I go to a bigger constituency and we run a statewide election in 24.
Fantastic.
steve bannon
You're a hero.
royce white
Godspeed, brother.
steve bannon
Love you, man.
I love you, too.
I'll tell you one thing.
Royce White, very rare guy.
Country needs him right now.
Okay, I want to thank everybody.
10 o'clock tomorrow morning, we're going to be back here live at CPAC.
I think we're going to put up, I'm going to talk later tonight.
We'll make sure we get that up on Getter, Getter Live.
I want to thank everybody.
Mike Lindell and everybody who makes this show possible.
We're in Battleground live from CPAC.
Royce White, the entire Posse, my production crew.
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