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Episode 1,898 – Compact Magazine – A New Journal Of Populism; MSNBC Attacks MAGA HispanicsEpisode 1,898 – Compact Magazine – A New Journal Of Populism; MSNBC Attacks MAGA Hispanics
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sohrab ahmari
12:37
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steve bannon
17:24
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anna paulina luna
02:41
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ben bergquam
04:47
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anthony fauci
00:03
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michael steele
00:28
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willie geist
00:35
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, it's Wednesday, 1 June, the Year of Our Lord 2022, almost through the first half of the year.
Remember, we started this journey this year on New Year's Day, when we talked about what's all coming together.
The lead story on Politico right now is about the army that you guys have created, about on the precinct strategy.
They're in complete and full meltdown.
They got a secret recording that they sent in.
With some consultants and people and they talk about you know what we're doing at the election boards, what we're doing to become poll watchers, what we're doing to take over school boards, what we're doing to become take over the canvassing boards, what we're doing to a precinct strategy to go in on the Dan Schultz strategy and Steve Stern and take over the Republican Party at the grassroots level.
They're in full and total complete meltdown.
We've got the story.
We'll put it up.
If Denver can put it up, and Captain Bennett, we're going to put it up on all the live chat rooms and then throughout the day.
I want to thank our distribution partners, Real America's Voice has got us everywhere on cable and TV, Terrestrial TV, all of that.
We're also in John Frederick's Radio Network.
I really want to thank G News and the team over there that put us up in Mandarin and in Japanese, and then blow us through the firewall later in the day.
For Lao Bai Jing, all of the Chinese expatriates, By the way, this Saturday is the second anniversary of the new federal state of China.
Remember, we always celebrate, or commemorate, I should say, commemorate Tiananmen Square.
We always do it with a live broadcast.
We have specials all weekend, so stay tuned.
unidentified
I'll get you more and more details on that.
steve bannon
So they got the grassroots, populist, action-oriented human agency story in Politico.
They're in full meltdown.
Also, President Biden had an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal.
He had an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal.
Interesting place to put an op-ed on how you're going to deal with inflation.
But he talked about, essentially, inflation.
They had Powell over yesterday.
Inflationists trust the Fed, which, you know, the Fed's policies have been totally anti-populist and anti-economic nationalist, as they've taken care of the top 1% with, you know, the asset inflation.
The Fed just keeps, you know, quantitative easing, blowing up the balance sheet of the Fed as we continue deficit spending.
And the other thing he said, Larry Summers kind of said the quiet part out loud, is that, oh, the way we're going to do this is we're going to focus, of all the inflation out there, you know, all the things you do on energy and food and fertilizer, everything it draws that drives it, what they're going to focus on is wage inflation.
The 6% of all the inflation, yes, it's the 6% of the wages, particularly working class people, that's got to be their focus.
So this is Joe Biden.
I feel your pain and, you know, I'm working class Joe from Scranton or Delaware or whatever corporate, you know, headquarters where all the globalists are.
But the thing that we're going to focus on, the number one thing to get inflation down is the working stiffs wages.
And they're up front on how to do this.
They wanted immigration.
It's all immigration, immigration, immigration.
This is why you have an invasion on the southern border.
The number one thing they're going to focus on is the 6% of the wage.
It's the wage inflation that's the problem.
Well, I don't think so.
It is something that needs to be dealt with, but it's not a problem.
The central being heart of this inflation.
This is a created crisis of Steve Cortez.
And we talk about it.
We're the first guys to call stagflation.
We're the first guys to call the bear market.
We're the first guys to call that it was systemic, not transitory.
They're all wrong.
Janet Yellen's got this video out yesterday.
It's embarrassing.
I mean, just, you should fire her now and just put summers in it.
This is what you're going to do.
But don't have her going around doing mea cupas.
That's just, it's demeaning.
unidentified
Okay?
steve bannon
And I think it, I think it starts to rattle people about the decision makers that are out there.
And all this is a new journal that's called Compact, and it's something I really want everybody in this audience to take a look at, to take a look and see.
So, Rob Armari joins us.
He's one of the founders, one of the three founders of it, and he's got an interesting journey himself.
He was with Paul Gigot and the guys over at the op-ed section of the Wall Street Journal.
Which people have for years, you know, has been kind of the premier, but then he went to the Post, which I think with the Washington Times and the New York Post op-ed section were incredibly powerful.
He's left to have found this journal.
So this is a populist journal.
You're going to try to unite the two forms of populism, right, which I keep talking about all the time, and more of an inclusive nationalism.
Why did you leave these two kind of premier institutions To kind of start an entrepreneurial venture that would be questionable in the best of times, and obviously in tough times is going to be hard.
You left two... I mean, you're kind of a made man, right?
You can stay at the Wall Street Journal forever.
You can stay at the New York Post forever.
Why did you go do this?
sohrab ahmari
Well, because I think philosophically, I think something more is needed, like the kind of thing you're talking about, Steve.
The overclass ideology that we've lived under, and it's a bipartisan ideology as you well know, has not worked out for the well-being of the American people, has not worked out especially for working class people.
Compact is a magazine where our tagline is a radical American journal.
By radical, we don't mean extremist, but we want to get to the root of things.
What that means is often, again as you cover in this program all the time, a lot of our social crises have a material root.
It has to do with how we've organized our economy since World War II, but especially since the end of the Cold War, where we've really given the upper hand to capital in every instance, especially global capital at the expense of ordinary people.
And so we want to challenge that.
And so my co-founders and I, Matthew Schmitz and Edwin Aponte, especially Matthew and I both come from the right.
We both come from the religious right, actually.
We're both Catholics.
But we found ourselves very frustrated with a certain kind of Christian or Catholic conservatism that laments, oh, people aren't getting married, oh, drug addiction, oh, gender ideology, and so on and so forth, but without pointing out how these have a material component.
There's a reason our society has its social crises.
It's not all reducible to how we organize our economy, but a lot of it is.
So that, for example, it's not enough to just to challenge wokeness and gender ideology, but to see how wokeness and gender ideology serve as a kind of legitimating ideology for neoliberalism.
And so that's the philosophy of Compact.
And we felt we had to do it as an independent journal.
Right now, there's a, as you know, again, there's a kind of flowering of independent outlets.
And so we're part of that.
But we think we're a unique voice in the sense that, you know, we do think there are some things about the old economic left that they made sense.
When I was at the Wall Street Journal, I was too quick to dismiss some of those arguments that now in my 30s, when I don't just regurgitate Paul Giot thought, I recognize that some of the things that the old left said about the importance of private economy, labor unions, about the importance of decent wages, bargaining power for workers, those should be conservative values.
Those should be things that the right embraces and that's what we're going to try to explore that intersection of ideas.
steve bannon
I want to talk about your journey because look, the Wall Street Journal, and look, I disagree with most of it, but it's still one of the most revered institutions out there, right, for 40, 50 years particularly, and particularly as a driver of thought in the Republican Party.
They are the bastion of neoliberal neoconservatism, right?
What is it about the colleagues there that I know you're still friends with and respect intellectually?
How do you see the world differently, and what's your journey that got you from there to here, and how do you compare and contrast the ideas?
sohrab ahmari
Yeah, so I should start by saying I was born and raised in Iran, and I moved to the United States when I was 13 years old.
I had a kind of long intellectual journey that ended with me, intellectual and spiritual journey that ended with me being received into the Catholic Church while I was working for the Wall Street Journal, helping run the European opinion pages in London.
So I was received into the church while I was at the journal while in London.
At the time, early on, it really did seem to me that the answer to everything was one, just sort of lower marginal tax rates which is the most kind of the concern of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and the idea that labor, capital, goods and services should all be free to move across borders without hindrance.
But then we saw a populist backlash in 2015-2016 and initially I resisted it.
Initially I was so formed in this idea that the movement of goods, capital, services, labor and just economic freedom which by the way much of it rests on state action, what they call free markets, rests on policy choices.
It's not just doesn't just happen automatically, was not working out for a lot of my fellow American citizens.
And again, like I said, initially, I recoiled at Trumpism, I recoiled at what was happening.
But then, you know, in my case, I felt like I had to listen.
Why is it that the economic such political order that we promoted the Wall Street Journal wasn't answering the crises of the moment. It left a lot of working class people unhappy, their families shattered, their sense of job and material security completely shattered by this kind of de-industrialization, exporting jobs, importing social crises of other nations.
I had to answer those questions for myself. I remember I also was tasked to report on the European migrant crisis and And as you know, the Wall Street Journal, they've softened it now in recent years, but it used to be very pro-open borders.
And I think I went in there with that worldview that, you know, yes, Europe can welcome a million newcomers from the Middle East and North Africa.
And I was a newcomer myself and fully assimilated.
So I believed in this idea of just kind of assimilation.
But when I saw what with my own eyes, and because I'm a Persian speaker, I was able to, you know, embed with a lot of migrants, I realized this is this is not something the West can handle a million newcomers 18 to 24 years old, typically male.
How is the West going to absorb this?
And so that was my the immigration issue in the European migrant crisis was my first kind of red pill was my first.
Recognition that the ruling class ideology was out of touch with reality.
No, Europe could not handle a million newcomers easily without creating all sorts of turmoil, not just economic turmoil for people at the kind of the bottom rungs of the of the labor market, but also social and issues of social cohesion as well.
So that was my first breaking point, I think, with that.
and then more and more, I mean, again, just looking at the country that we've created for people who after World War II were used to being able to, if you work a decent working class job, you would be able to provide for your family and then we created a highly financialized economy.
Everyone has to be an entrepreneur of the self and Lincoln thought of as the little striver in the world, a little beginner in the world, wasn't being able to meet any degree of security right here in the heartlands of the West.
And so yeah, I mean, I think I parted ways pretty decisively around 2016 17.
steve bannon
One of the things they say about the populist was the Trump movement or even that these are destructive in nature.
They're just anger.
All it is is channeling the anger of people, right?
And not understanding of the globalization, the economics of the world.
How do you use compact as a, not just ideas, but how do you compact that they begin to form, that people can start to debate and get actually policies that a populist movement can govern around?
sohrab ahmari
Sure.
Very good question.
We see ourselves as holding both the left and the right, the best of the left and the best of the right, to their own highest claims and holding their feet to the fire and saying, you know, the ideologies that you pursue may not always be actually resulting in that.
So in the case of the right, we critique the right because we're pro family and we want families to thrive.
But what the old right, the old kind of establishment GOP right does is, like I said, they They lament the fact that people aren't getting married.
They lament the fact that people aren't having children, church attendance is down, but they don't pay any attention to the materials, kind of substrate you need for people to be able to do that.
steve bannon
The left... The economics of family formation.
I tell you, can you just hang on a second?
I want to hold you over and make sure we get your analysis of the left.
Very important.
I want everybody to go to Compaq.
Do we have the link up?
Let's put the link up.
I want everybody in the audience to go check this out.
Right?
See if it's for you.
Remember, we're all about human agency.
We're trying to introduce you to new things.
This is cutting edge.
They say that the populist movement has no ideas.
I think you're going to find out that if you go to places like Compact, you're not going to do any intellectual slumming.
This is at the top level of intellect.
And that's what we're trying to show is that this is a governing, we're going to have a tremendous governing majority.
Two-thirds, the 70% of the people, agree with us.
We just have to make sure you can explain the economic ideas, which is the centerpiece of all this.
It's the substrate, as Saurabh says.
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
unidentified
We'll be back in a moment.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
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steve bannon
Okay, I want to go back to Saurabh Amiri.
The journal is compact.
We're going to have it everywhere.
Captain Ben, let's make sure we get it in all the platforms where everybody gets access.
Put it up on the website.
I want everybody to go check this out.
So continue, Saurabh.
You're going to hold the right and the left populist movements to the highest standards, correct?
Tell us how you're going to do that on the left.
unidentified
Right.
sohrab ahmari
So on the left, so much of what goes by the name of leftism is really neoliberal ruling class ideology.
You cannot, on so many sectors of the left, you cannot question open borders.
As recently as a few years ago, the major industrial labor unions in this country were all opposed to open borders because they understood that open borders mean lower working class wages, less job security, etc., etc.
As recently as a few years ago, Bernie Sanders said open borders, that's a Koch brothers ideology.
But that's changed now.
It's become such a dogma that you can't question.
And so much of the sort of sexual slash woke politics that the left pursues is is perfectly in line with what corporate America wants.
In other words, it's not just that corporate America is bending to what these activists, employees and activists on Twitter are asking for by promoting LGBTQ blah blah blah ideology.
They do it because it works for them.
If you are part of a family, if you have a sense of of nationhood, if you have a sense of solidarity, you will not be so easily, you won't be so easily pliable either as a worker or a consumer.
But if you're if you are super individualized and atomized, if you feel alone, if you have no sense of community, solidarity, family, nation, faith, etc, etc, you become a much easier subject for For large capital, right?
So we argue we push the left on this issue.
So we're with you on on increasing bargaining power in the private economy between workers and and management.
We're with you on that.
But so many of the other cultural stuff that you pursue comes at the expense of that.
De-policing communities hurts working class, lower middle class people.
Legalizing drugs hurts those people.
The children of upper middle class professional managerial class They may mess around with drugs, but they'll be fine.
If they get into trouble, there'll be therapy, et cetera, et cetera.
It's the children of working class people who pay the price of these kind of liberalizing policies.
So we kind of create this wedge where the left has to answer for the consequences of its cultural liberalism.
And we argue that a lot of this cultural liberalism, far from serving the interests that they claim to serve, just help create a nation of people who are super atomized, depressed, alone, et cetera, et cetera.
steve bannon
Walk us through the magazine, the journal, Compact.
When people go there, take a minute or two and just describe it.
What are you guys trying to achieve?
What's your objective in doing this as far as the content goes and what people go on the site?
sohrab ahmari
Sure.
They can find it at compactmag.com.
We have the most unusual contributing editor list you will find.
Our columnists include very conservative people like Christopher Caldwell and Patrick Deneen, people associated with the right.
But we also have interesting young leftists or the Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Žižek is there.
He's definitely a man of the left.
But in one way or another, all of them question their own side in an interesting way.
And so it's not as if we're coming together and being like, well, what's the middle ground?
Where can left and right just meet?
Can't we all just get along?
But rather we wanted we want to challenge the ruling class ideology from a leftist and a right right wing lens in interesting ways.
So, for example, one important focus for us have been the lockdowns.
We see the lockdowns as lockdowns, vaccines, et cetera, as this huge upward transfer of wealth.
from small business, from working class people who lost their jobs to the likes of Jeff Bezos and and others like him in his class.
So we question, you know, lockdown policies and so forth.
But we do it in interesting ways.
We don't just say it's a matter of my individual autonomy being eroded by these things, although that's a part of it.
But we bring that class analysis that the left used to do at its best.
To show how lockdowns, for example, benefited the absolute upper echelons of societies in the developed world at the expense of millions and millions of other people.
So that's the kind of thing we try to do where it surprises people.
So we might oppose lockdowns, but you won't see the typical lockdown analysis of just like, leave me alone.
Although again, that has something to be said for it, but looking at the kind of material economics of it.
steve bannon
Before we go, are you also going to convene, one of the things we don't have enough of is not just debate, but thoughtful conversation.
Are you going to convene panels or, I don't want to call them salons, but places where people can actually go, you'll have these various thinkers there that people can actually, if they go to Compaq, become part of some sort of group that really delves into these ideas?
sohrab ahmari
So right now, we do have a class called Lifetime Members.
We are subscription based because we're fully independent.
We're not We're for profit, so we're not under pressure from either the liberal or conservative typical donor world.
So if you become a Lifetime member, we convene quarterly meetings where you can discuss politics with our editors and writers.
But you're right that we need to do more of that kind of in-person thing, because we all need community.
And as good as these kind of remote experiences are, people thrive when they're Together in a room doing things.
So we'll be doing more of that for sure, as we establish.
We're only two and a half months old.
steve bannon
What is your social media?
And then once again, give the website.
What's the social media handles for you?
sohrab ahmari
Yeah, it's at compactmag underscore is the Twitter handle.
And then the actual website is www.compactmag, like magazine.com.
steve bannon
It's Rob.
Thank you very much.
Honored to have you on here.
Great.
Good start.
This is a very exciting one.
Everybody go check it out today.
See if it's for you.
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate it.
Don't say it's not a good... This movement's got people at the cutting edge of ideas.
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Don't believe that at all.
You get some of the smartest young men and women in the country.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
We've got a fighter coming up, but I want to play MSNBC, what they think of her.
Let's go ahead and start playing it.
unidentified
I mean, what were those values that suddenly now have this fresh, you know, look or feel to them because of Donald Trump?
michael steele
Because I would think that there's always been some space there where those concerns relative to black folks and CRT and the telling of our history versus the telling of Hispanic histories uh... or of the relationship you know with the broader community of gay and lesbian people i mean i don't know how what this woman thinks her children going to encounter when they leave our home i mean i think she's not you know so what does that mean?
unidentified
as a gay woman myself having this conversation with someone that in my eyes perhaps felt uncomfortable in front of someone like me i mean it was a hard conversation to have But I think that's the question, right?
No one in my face told me that they were against LGBTQ issues, right?
No one told me that they were against myself.
No one said that they were racist or they didn't understand Latinos.
The talking point, again, was we are doing this because we want to protect the children.
We are doing this because communism is infiltrating our classes.
They are indoctrinating our children to be gay.
So I think, to your point, it's hard to understand if the root is truly that these are conservative values that have always been there, or simply that they're going back to a card that they know how to use, which is the communism card.
And I'm in nowhere to sort of speak for them, no?
But I think that's the nuance that we have to really understand, because not understanding that means not understanding the largest minority voting bloc in this country, right?
And it means not understanding that there is a possibility that as we shift to this majority minority country, and as this assumption that Latino voters will take us to this country where we do talk about racism openly, where we do acknowledge and approach and welcome people like myself that are gay, if Latinos suddenly turn the other way, that assumption of this American story is completely distorted.
willie geist
I think that's important.
You also, in this series, dig into the important question of immigration and the nuance there.
You speak with the Republican nominee for Florida's 13th U.S.
Congressional District about one of her top campaign issues.
Let's listen.
unidentified
As a candidate, when you're making these, what it seems like without data, baseless allegations that child migrants are crossing the border because they are being exploited sexually, What information are you giving your constituents to make actually informed decisions on that?
anna paulina luna
I've been down to the border three times.
I've talked to countless activists and organizations.
If you're trying to say that it's not an issue, I absolutely disagree with that.
unidentified
Of course it's an issue, but to paint the whole US-Mexico border issue, doesn't that take away from the actual humanitarian crisis that's happening there?
anna paulina luna
No, because what happens is, is when you're encouraging people to come here illegally, they're exploited in the process.
But to go back to what you're saying, whether it's 200 kids or 2,000, it's too many.
willie geist
I'd be interested to hear Your reflections on that conversation because as you know so well we've talked to many Latino voters and politicians who say Democrats take us for granted on the issue of immigration.
We came here legally.
We think people should wait for their place in line and come here legally as well.
They don't like what they're seeing at the border either.
What did you find in your conversations on that issue of immigration?
unidentified
With someone like her, I mean, she has made, again, and this is Ana Paulina Luna, if she is a Mexican-American that's running in District 13 in Florida, she has made the pillar of her campaign immigration, right?
But not talking about immigration as the humanitarian crisis that is ongoing, she's actually sort of framed it around this idea that children are being sex-trafficked at the border.
That is her main message.
Which is a reflection of a QAnon obsession, as you know, that has been spreading around for many years, right?
This idea of painting the border as these, you know, Democrats that are pushing children around, which, again, is not necessarily based on facts.
And so, to your point, this proves that even within Latinos, there's a big divide about how you see the U.S.-Mexico border.
And I think the question comes down to Democrats, right?
Even something like Title 42.
It's even hard for me to say, like, are they for it or are they against it?
Do they want to sort of fix this asylum crisis or not?
And I think this shows you the sort of questions that they're struggling with.
You have two sections of Latino voters in completely opposite sides of the spectrum.
And I don't know if the strategy of tiptoeing around these issues will actually work in the end.
Do you go for someone like Ana Paulina Luna or do you go for progressive Latinos from Arizona?
Yes.
steve bannon
Wow, I gotta tell you.
When MSNBC does a whole hour special on you, you're over the target.
And Anna Paulina is, and she's in The War Room next.
unidentified
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steve bannon
Okay, everybody picked on Mike Lindell.
The Associated Press has got a story out.
It's saying the machines can be hacked.
The Haldeman Report.
So, Mike's out for a couple days.
He's going to be back.
He's going to be all over this.
We had Tina Peters.
We're going to do a lot more on the 5 o'clock show.
A lot more on the 6 o'clock show.
This is the Black Press.
Remember, we're not machine guys.
At all.
I don't understand.
I just think they're too complicated.
Paper ballots and you got to get rid of the machines, but whatever happened.
And of course, they're covering themselves by saying, oh, no, nothing happened to 2020.
However, they can be hacked.
So this is now a new firestorm and we're going to get all over it.
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Let's get Ana Paulina in here.
So Ana, they treated you, they brought a lot of respect.
I mean, they're coming after you, but they're coming after you because they respect what you stand for.
So just give me your impression of why is MSNBC choosing you?
And why are they, most particularly, what makes them so nervous about Hispanic Americans starting to now support the Trump movement and going to vote Republican?
anna paulina luna
Well, I think that they are really looking at some of the voter data from 2020.
You know, yesterday when I came on, I think I'd mentioned that they're trying to understand this shift of the Hispanic demographic to the Republican Party and the conservative ideology and platform.
And so what they've done is they've identified some of the top conservative Hispanic voices in the country, whether we're activists, whether we're running for office, or whether we're kind of a hybrid of both, which is in my case, You know, it is interesting because they did come down and actually off camera, the film crew actually mentioned that I brought up a lot of valid points.
And I do believe that at the end of the day, if these people weren't commentating on MSNBC, I think that they'd actually agree with me on a lot of these issues, because I'm not talking about this with unfounded data and evidence.
We're talking about child trafficking, which is something that the State Department has mentioned.
And I actually made it a point to pull up headlines and clips from CNN, from Vice News, all even dating back to 2014, where they are talking about this very same issue.
And now you're seeing them blanket label it a conspiracy theory, because they realize that people like myself, conservative minority candidates, are winning on this issue with the largest voting minority in the country, which is Mexican Americans.
steve bannon
So tell me how tonight I want everybody to watch.
It's going to be at 10 o'clock tonight.
I'm looking at my producer.
10 o'clock tonight.
Is it Wednesday night or Thursday night?
Tonight?
Wednesday night, 10 p.m.
There's going to be this special, right?
Ana Paulina is one of the stars of it, as they come after her.
But I want everybody to watch, and here's the reason.
The Hispanic American community and the Latino community, they're culturally quite conservative.
We just have to get the economics right, of what the policies are.
Right?
And on security.
And now that we're getting those right, you're seeing this tectonic plate shift, and they're freaking out.
They are absolutely, and this is why MSNBC doesn't do things, they're not stupid people, okay?
I know we don't agree with them ideologically, but they're not stupid people.
They're doing this for a reason.
They're trying to get ahead of this problem, and that's at 10 o'clock tonight, they're gonna do it, and Anna's up there.
Anna, you've been relentless in this campaign of yours.
How do people find out more about you, and how do they go and find out more about your campaign?
anna paulina luna
you can have a great to vote a p l dot com please consider making a donation there i am funded by people dollars not special interest and steve i wanna add in there and that's nbc is so concerned about this ship to the conservative platform that they're not just broadcasting on and that's nbc they're broadcasting it on nbc telemundo with their are dumping the entire thing into spanish and broadcasting it on all their digital affiliate channels that is not only going around a million people
unidentified
Wow.
anna paulina luna
and i can tell you that what i think that the republican eat that there's a massive focus on this to keep candidates like myself out of office because they realize that if we get the microphone that we can talk sense to our community really punch through the propaganda and identity politics of the last we will win on this issue We will save this country.
And I'll never stop fighting for these issues because frankly, it's the right thing to do.
We cannot minimize the issue of child trafficking and it is not a conspiracy theory.
steve bannon
Anna Polina, fight on.
You're a warrior.
Look forward to seeing you tonight and having you back on afterwards for a hot wash-up, as we say in the Navy.
Thank you, ma'am.
anna paulina luna
Thank you.
steve bannon
A warrior right there.
MSNBC coming after us.
So 10 o'clock tonight.
And it's amazing.
They're putting it on all their platforms, including the Telemundo, which is a massive Spanish-language platform for NBC.
OK, we've got a couple of clips.
The first clip, let me bring Burquam in and I want to introduce these clips.
Ben Burquam is down in Uvalde, Texas.
Remember, Ben, we haven't had a chance to play it, but I think we'll get a chance now.
You actually interviewed, I want the audience to understand something, how cutting edge Real America's voice and Ben Burquham and the entire investigative unit they've got.
Ben was in this town two weeks before the shooting.
Why was he in this town?
It's kind of the crossroads from Eagle Pass on one side and Del Rio coming up from the Rio Grande River.
And you see that this is where a lot of trafficking comes through.
A lot of the cartels just taking the drugs and the kids and the human trafficking and all that.
So Ben, what put you down there and what have you found out over the last 24 hours?
Ben Burquham's always down chasing the facts and back of a story.
What have you found out?
ben bergquam
Well to that for that first point I was down here as you said two weeks before and the reason is Uvalde is the intersection of two of the longest highways in America.
They're basically the cartels corridor to many parts of America and we were down here I was riding with the mayor and the chief of police of the city They were talking about the impact that that's having, how overwhelmed they are because of Joe Biden's open borders policies and the invasion that's happening.
They're already overwhelmed.
And this is before Title 42 was set to lapse.
And the look in their eyes was, we can't take any more of this.
And then two weeks later, we had this mass shooting.
One of the things that I don't think we've played yet anywhere is what the mayor told me about the number of lockdowns and then how that plays into what we're seeing here.
steve bannon
Do we have that?
Okay, hang on.
unidentified
Let's play.
steve bannon
I want to play the mayor.
This is two weeks.
Ben got this two weeks before the shooting at the high school or those, excuse me, at the grade school.
So let's go ahead and play his interview with the mayor.
unidentified
In 2020 and 21, we had to lock our public schools down 48 times because of pursuits came in town.
They bailed out in our communities by our schools.
So we had to shut the schools down because we didn't know who was in these cars, what was in these cars.
And we were starting to find more and more Automatic weapons in these cars.
Now whether it was the coyote that had the gun or whoever but they're in the car.
So we don't know when we get to a car and we see a gun or whatever.
We're locking schools down because we don't know what these people are doing.
ben bergquam
How many times?
unidentified
48 times.
ben bergquam
48 times when you're a small community?
unidentified
In a small community.
Wow.
steve bannon
I want everybody to understand this is the academic year of 20 and 2021.
That's the fall of 20 and the spring of 2021.
That's the academic year of 20 and 2021.
In one year, one academic year.
48 lockdowns because it's a highway of the cartels coming up.
Ben Berquam, you actually were smart enough to understand something's up with this town.
You were there weeks before and the reason is the invasion of the United States.
Is that not correct, sir?
ben bergquam
Yeah, that's correct.
This city, and much like many of the cities, we're 70 miles from the border, but this may as well be a border town.
It's controlled in many parts by the cartel, it's an operating corridor for the cartel, and ultimately it ends up impacting almost every community in America because of what's coming through.
The drugs, the sex trafficking, human trafficking, everything that Ana Paulina was just talking about, all flows through here.
It's not conspiracy theory, it's here.
It exists.
The cartels are here.
steve bannon
Ben, do we have, can we play the, Ben, I want, here's the other thing.
Ben Berquam, and I don't think any other news agency's done this.
I actually showed it last night.
I had some news people come over, because I wanted to talk about you down there, Ben.
I actually showed them your footage of going from the shooter's house we shot, or grandmother's house we shot her, to the school.
These are representatives of major news organizations.
Not one had had a reporter down there that did.
They were all shocked.
They were stunned.
And they kind of said, let's go ahead and play this right now.
ben bergquam
Just to give you an idea of how close the house is where the shooter was to the school.
This is his house here behind us and I'm going to take you to the school.
unidentified
From that house to this point here,
ben bergquam
where he wrecked his truck was less than a minute and that was driving the speed limit.
Ultimately, then he starts shooting at the funeral home workers over here, jumping the fence, and then making his way into the school.
steve bannon
Okay, the Daily Mail of London, the largest, really, circulation newspaper in the world, and the largest news site, bigger than Drudge.
Okay, they had another thing on today, and they had a breakdown, and it still said, Ben, that the shooting of the grandmother took place around 11-ish.
So, my clock right here, Ben, I just counted it, was 47 seconds.
Under a minute.
47 seconds.
It's a block and a half or two blocks.
47 seconds.
This timeline, Ben Berquam, you're the man.
The timeline makes no sense.
What happened to the door makes no sense, or change the story of that.
How the kid, in a cartel corridor, how he got essentially $6,000 to $8,000 or $9,000 worth of stuff.
Guns and ammo, and people know you can't get that ammo, it's hard to get.
How he got that?
How he got in the car?
Did he have a driver's license?
The whole thing, if he didn't have a driver's license, how did he buy the guns?
Burquamp, there's so many, there are more questions a day, eight days into this, I think than the first day, Ben Burquamp.
ben bergquam
Yeah Steve so I'm actually at the intersection if you look behind me where that police car is coming out at the end of this this drive is where the house of the grandparents lived and where we are now if I turn the camera over here this is the street that ends right into the canal where The driver, Salvador, the demon, crashed his car.
So this is how close it is proximity-wise.
Like you said, I sped the video up slightly just for the podcast audience, but it was 55 seconds for me to go from that point to this point, again going the speed limit.
And when you look at the wreckage where he crashed, he was obviously going at a high rate of speed.
A couple kind of new revelations that we're learning from the neighbor.
I spoke to the neighbor who witnessed him come out, get in the truck, and then afterwards, the grandma come out with her face bloody.
I spoke to him this morning, and he said that he could not drive.
And I asked him, how do you know that?
He said he couldn't get the truck into reverse.
And he said he didn't believe he had a driver's license.
He also said he had no idea how he had the money to buy the guns.
And then I went down to the mother's house, another neighborhood, very low-income neighborhood.
You wanna talk about where cartels target, it's low-income neighborhoods.
and I went in there and spoke to one of the neighbors there and she confirmed.
She doesn't believe that he has a driver's license.
She doesn't know how he got the guns, first of all.
And then also, how he got to get the guns, how he went to get them, how he purchased them.
So these are all questions that still need to be answered, that I haven't heard anything about it on.
But, you know, yourself and our network, we seem to be the only ones asking the questions.
steve bannon
No, no, no.
The mainstream media, first of all, there hasn't been any new information on this kid, the demon, the savage, in a week.
You gotta get the psychotropic drugs, how he got the cash, who took him to buy the thing, what IDs did he use to buy them.
This all has to be answered.
This is not an issue of guns.
There's something stinks to high heaven about this entire thing.
It just stinks to high heaven.
ben bergquam
Speaking about that, the locals agree.
I spoke to the neighbor and she said the same thing.
This isn't about guns.
Everyone in our neighborhood, she said, has guns.
We all train our kids how to use the guns.
I spoke to a guy at the gas station.
Same thing.
He came up to me, watches our footage, said, I want to tell you the same thing.
This isn't about guns.
This is about evil.
And it's the exact opposite of what the mainstream media is saying.
This is evil versus good, not guns.
steve bannon
Ben, you hang on right there.
Ben Berquam is live in Uvalde, Texas.
This all comes from his coverage of the invasion of the southern United States.
unidentified
We'll be back to Texas in a moment.
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steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
By the way, Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan out with an interview just popped on CNBC says, quote, brace yourself for economic hurricane caused by, wait for it, the Fed and Ukraine war.
No, Jamie, it is the illegitimate Biden regime that you've been carrying water for.
So, Jamie Dimon, you're up to your neck in this thing.
It's not just the Fed and certainly not the Ukraine war.
It's the policies, the energy-killing policies of this radical regime that you, sir, helped get there.
So don't be whining now about the economic hurricane that's going to come and just wipe out working-class people in this country.
Let's go to Raj now in Florida.
Raj, big event down there with some of our favorite characters, Mike Flynn, Mike Lindell, General Flynn, Mike Lindell, all of it.
What's happening?
How do people get there?
How do people get tickets?
unidentified
You go to www.defendourunion.org or you text the word SUMMIT to 91776.
And the reason why you want to be at this event is because you've got the speakers that you just heard from, Steve.
You've got Dennis D'Souza, Catherine Engelbrecht, Lee Dundas, all the folks that you know and respect.
And what are they going to be talking about?
They're going to be talking about how you, yeah, you, the person watching this, can become more effective in speaking the truth.
You just heard what Steve said.
There's a storm coming.
If you think that the opposition, false media, false narrative has been bad, just wait for a few months.
They're going to peak up.
And what you have to do is get in front of it.
How do you speak more effectively with your friends, your family, your co-workers?
The summit's going to break that down.
The summit is essentially going to show you how the Floridians defended their voices in the state of Florida.
How did they get the most transparent, most aggressive, most accountable election integrity law in the U.S.
history?
How did they get that passed just a few weeks ago?
Well, there's a strategy.
It doesn't happen by itself.
It happens on purpose.
And so you, the folks watching this, have got to gear up.
Take your enthusiasm.
You're getting informed at the War Room from Frank's speech, from Rumble.
What's the next step?
You've got to meet with elected officials.
They're going to ignore you.
How do you turn that around?
That's what this summit gets into, Steve.
steve bannon
Raj, where's it physically going to be?
Where can people go?
unidentified
The summit is going to be virtual, so all you've got to do is go to www.defendourunion.org.
It's being hosted by our friends at CloudHub, and they are providing it.
It's free.
You have to get your instant pass, and you've got to do that by going to www.defendourunion.org or by texting the word SUMMIT 91776.
Listen, folks.
I know you like us in Florida have been working hard.
I know your elected officials have been dismissive.
I know that when you meet with them, they're smiling and nodding and don't do anything.
How do you turn that around?
In Florida, what we did is we met with the elected officials.
We're going to talk about that.
We met, we canvassed, we knocked on 26,000 doors.
How did we get that done?
We're going to talk about that.
We spoke with 14,000 people.
We took that data.
We share that with our elected officials.
They nodded, smiled and still ignored us.
You know how we turned that around?
We turned that around by hosting a press conference.
That's right.
A live press conference.
We informed our elected officials.
We're going public with this report.
And what happened when that happened?
Our phone started to ring.
Now we began to get attention.
And that started the genesis of getting this election law passed.
steve bannon
What time is it?
We got to jump.
What time is it?
unidentified
What time does this take place and what day?
6 p.m.
Eastern, this Saturday, June 4th, 6 p.m.
Eastern.
Perfect.
Go to www.defendourunion.org or text SUMMIT to 91776.
steve bannon
Captain Bannon put it up everywhere.
This is a who's who.
You're gonna love the folks there.
6 p.m.
on Saturday.
Raj, thank you so much for joining us, brother.
Appreciate it.
Love the guys at CloudHub.
These guys are killers.
Doing a great job.
Thanks.
CloudHub's kind of the new Facebook.
Okay, Ben Berquam.
Back to Ben, Novalde, Texas.
Ben, where's your reporting taking you today, sir?
ben bergquam
I'm continuing the conversation, digging in on who this guy was, how he became a demon, how the evil grew in him rather than talking about guns, how he went from the grandma's house there to crash there, and how he got the guns, and all the other details behind that that nobody else is asking.
So I'm going to talk to the folks that knew him, and we'll see where we go from there.
But, you know, it's a lot of questions.
Like you said, more questions than answers eight days later.
steve bannon
It makes sense.
They said the other day the budget of the city, I think 45%, was spent on police, whether it's the school police, the SWAT team, all that.
You understand why.
This is a thoroughfare for the cartels blowing up there.
Where do you know right now about this 13-man SWAT team that we can't quite figure out where they are, who they are, or why they weren't there?
ben bergquam
Well, they were.
Everybody was deployed.
I spoke to a city official yesterday.
He said all resources were deployed.
That's why individuals of BORTAC came in, even though it wasn't the group.
Many of those SWAT team members locally are just part of the police force, so they were all on scene in different capacities.
But it's not like what you think of when you think of big city SWAT going in with the armored vehicle and the shields.
They don't have any of that.
They're just guys with tactical vests that go in and deal with bad guys.
So they were all there.
It's just...
Everything else, you know, that hour and a half, that we're still trying to figure out why the hell they let him in there to kill all those kids for that long, that still has to be answered.
steve bannon
But the focus has got to be on this demon.
That's why you've got to get to the bottom of this demon.
That's right.
It's the reason the mainstream media doesn't want to... Seven or eight days later, you've got almost no information about him.
Trust me, if this guy had a red ball cap on, you'd have known everything about his life from the moment he was born.
ben bergquam
That's right.
steve bannon
Ben, how do people follow you?
Your reporting is amazing.
How do people follow you during the day on Real America's Voice and on your social media?
ben bergquam
You have to download the America's Voice app.
You can watch Steve, all of his shows live on there.
Just go to your app store, get America's Voice, and then at americasvoice.news, frontlineamerica.com, and on all my social media, including CloudHub, you mentioned, Getter, TruSocial, at Ben Berquam.
steve bannon
Ben, just hang right there, okay?
We'll be back to you later today.
Don't go anywhere.
You're in the center.
You're in the center.
Your pull of surprise is right there.
All you gotta do is grab it, Berquam.
You just gotta grab it.
Don't go anywhere.
We're all good.
We'll talk after the show today.
The intrepid Ben Berquam.
Always in harm's way.
Ben's always going where a story is.
Remember, he was there two weeks beforehand.
That shows you he's got a nose for news.
There's something about this town, particularly as the crossroads from Eagle Pass went to Del Rio.
It's a very famous town.
King Fisher, the famous gunfighter, is from there.
Had a big ranch down by Eagle Pass.
Very well-known town and county if you've ever followed the sagas of the Old West, particularly the gunfighters.
Very well-known place.
Tough town.
It's been tough since the day it was born.
One of those tough West Texas towns.
Southwest Texas towns.
Okay.
We've got a lot to go through.
There's half the show I couldn't even get to because we had so many great guests today.
But we're gonna get to it today at 5 o'clock and at 6 o'clock.
Be back here in the War Room.
Remember, it's the army that they're so afraid of.
It's the Dan Schultz's, the Steve Stern's, everybody.
The precinct strategy.
They're in meltdown.
We're getting all of that today at 5 o'clock and more.
A lot of economics, a lot of politics.
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