June 1, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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This is going to make wars look small in the end. | |
| Very small. | ||
| There are very few books. | ||
| There are very few contemporary works where people are exploring the issues that are at hand right now with the pandemic, the origins of the pandemic, how it's played out And then the response and the consequences of the responses to each and every one of us and to our families and to our social circles. | ||
| It's so critically important. | ||
| I've checked. | ||
| There's no Moderna rally on the other side of town. | ||
| There's no vaccine celebration going on down the street. | ||
| There's something very dark going on in the world. | ||
| And it can't be Democrat, it can't be Republican, it can't be any pharmaceutical company because it's just as dark in other parts of the world and it's related to the Sinovac vaccine. | ||
| And it's very dark in other parts of the world where individuals have been across the board denied compassionate care. | ||
| Denied compassionate care for the first time human beings in our generation are turning the backs on one another. | ||
| That is in the minds of people and it started at the beginning of the pandemic as we know it. | ||
| Some historians believe the foundations were building all along for quite some time. | ||
| Many Believe it's way bigger than COVID or SARS-CoV-2, that it involves a whole series of destabilizing and disturbing events and thought patterns that are in the minds of people at the same time all over the world. | ||
| Okay, welcome to The Worm. | ||
| It's Wednesday, the 1st of June, the year of our Lord, 2022. | ||
| We're live and we've got a very special. | ||
| That last night was from the Historic Willard Hotel. | ||
| It was the kickoff. | ||
| It was really kind of a conference or kickoff event for the book, The Bodies of Others by Naomi Wolf, and it was pretty a seminal event. | ||
| We had kind of the who's who of the, I think, the The vaccine awareness issues and health awareness issues of this entire pandemic, which is sure was kind of built upon back in January 2020. | ||
| Honored to have really one of the great heroes in modern America, Dr. Harvey Risch, who's a professor of epidemiology and is about to you. | ||
| You decided years a couple of years ago that you were going to call it quits in the summer of 2022. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| I'm due to retire from my full job. | ||
| But I'm staying on as a senior research scientist because I still have grants running for another few years. | ||
| And so I'm still doing a lot of my academic activities, and certainly the COVID work continues. | ||
| So I want to go back to Dr. McCullough. | ||
| He said that this is bigger than any war, that this is bigger than any one conflict, that this is something on a global scale, and it's not just the virus and the disease. | ||
| It was all of it. | ||
| It was the reaction to it. | ||
| It's what the institutions did about it. | ||
| Is he, in your mind, having spent your professional career doing this, is he correct? | ||
| I think he is. | ||
| At the outset of this, we couldn't understand why these early outpatient treatment medications were being suppressed with fake studies and fake evidence. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| What do you mean fake? | ||
| So, the randomized trial... First of all, the studies of early outpatient treatment with hydroxychloroquine show very clear evidence of benefit in the first five or six days. | ||
| But what was being put out against that were hospital studies that didn't show evidence of benefit, and yet that was claimed to prove that it didn't work in outpatients, which is a total misrepresentation because they're two different diseases. | ||
| Hospital disease is a florid pneumonia with all this immune system debris that clogs up the lungs, totally different than a flu-like illness where people get a head cold cough, sore throat, seizing, muscle aches, and so on. | ||
| Treated with different medications, totally different. | ||
| And so it was just not intelligible as to why these messages were coming out. | ||
| And at that point, what seemed apparent was that this was a method to protect competing medications. | ||
| At first it was only remdesivir because that was all that was in parallel. | ||
| That's only at the time was only a hospital usage medication. | ||
| So we couldn't understand except to say that there were competing medications that were competing and so therefore the interest, the financial interest, was to protect a playing field that would be out-competed by these cheap generic drugs. | ||
| Hang on for one second. | ||
| That's pretty reductionist. | ||
| You're saying that in your professional opinion as somebody that does this, in particular the epidemic side of this, that it was evident to you early on that something wasn't right about what are easy or early treatments that could be done instead of solutions that actually cost money and you have to pay the pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| So, I'm an expert in the science. | ||
| All this other conspiracy-like stuff is stuff, is events that happens outside of the scientific evidence. | ||
| And for me as a scientist to draw those conclusions, the evidence is much more limited and so requires inductive reasoning rather than deductive reasoning. | ||
| And, but what we knew already were two things. | ||
| Number one, that the Minister of Health in France in September-October of 2019 changed the status of hydroxychloroquine From over-the-counter, which it had been classically for decades, to prescription only. | ||
| There was no reason. | ||
| She gave a spurious reason that it was supposedly genotoxic, meaning it damaged DNA. | ||
| It certainly doesn't do that because it's been used in hundreds of millions of people. | ||
| Throughout the third world particularly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that was already something that happened before anybody knew there was a pandemic coming. | ||
| And then the bigger implication was a paper was written, published in the New England Journal in February of 2020, entitled The Magic of Randomization Versus the Myth of Real-World Evidence. | ||
| This was written by four British medical statisticians whose salaries are given by pharma companies All of their work has been principally in carrying out and analyzing randomized trials. | ||
| What this was, was a total lying screed against my entire discipline of epidemiology. | ||
| It purported to say that randomization cures all ills, that a randomized trial is perfect on the basis of that it was carried out by randomization. | ||
| This is so far untrue. | ||
| It basically is propaganda and anti-scientific. | ||
| Okay, but you're not saying it's printed in the pages of Gateway Pundit. | ||
| You're saying it's probably in the New England Journal of Medicine, which is one of the most revered peer-reviewed journals. | ||
| Yes, but the problem is that this was a shot across the bow to say that only randomized trials provide evidence of utility for any competing medication. | ||
| And we know that generic medications never get randomized trials because it's too expensive. | ||
| and there's no profit margin and that this is what will be used to suppress any usage of or the ability of generic medications to compete in a marketplace where the FDA is only going to use randomized trials for evidence because this sets the stage for them being allowed to do that. So they thought through this process you know three steps ahead of us and and and set all this out before and so they must have written this in January you know to get it published in February of 2020. They set this all out before. | ||
| They commissioned it in the late 2019. | ||
| Yeah. Okay if the if the French do it in the fall of 19 and the New England guys commission sometime in late 19 but obviously you think have to start writing it in January. | ||
| That's before we even know. | ||
| It's the last week of December, right, that we know in Wuhan with the text messages back to each other with those heroic doctors who start talking to each other, say, hey, we have a problem here. | ||
| The reason we got involved in mid-January 15th is I specialize in China. | ||
| and I knew with all my contacts with Chinese media there's something big going on in Wuhan of which I know quite well. | ||
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Yes. | |
| But that's 2020. | ||
| You're actually saying you think that certain powers that be knew about this in 2019? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is all being commissioned in that era. | ||
| And don't forget that the husband of the Minister of Health in France is that, or at least then was the head of INSRM, which is the European Research Agency, and was at the dedication when the BSL-4 lab at Wuhan was opened. | ||
| Well, the French were supposed to be the ones that not only built it, they were supposed to be the ones to supervise it. | ||
| The original deal was they were supposed to supervise it. | ||
| Yes, and Stephan Bancel, the CEO of Moderna, in his previous job was deputy CEO of the French company that built the BSL-4 lab. | ||
| Just to connect some dots. | ||
| Well, connect the dots. | ||
| There's no coincidences. | ||
| Well, right, and so, you know, and this paves the way of communication between Moderna and the WIV as to how the information about the patent, the patents from 2017 | ||
| of the altered genes that promote the gain-of-function work in the virus, how those patent sequences were likely made, put onto the radar to be used through all the virology community who was working on these issues. | ||
| So all of this was kind of percolating along for a long period of time before the pandemic hit. | ||
| And it was kind of like giving a loaded gun to a three-year-old and hiding behind the desk and waiting for something to happen. | ||
| You know eventually something's going to happen, it's just a question of when. | ||
| You mean allowing to gain a function in a lab like that that's unsupervised? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| People should know, the audience, and by the way we're going to get to the economics, politics of it all later in the show, there are going to be massive congressional investigations on all this. | ||
| We're going to get to the bottom of facts. | ||
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I hope so. | |
| Oh no, no, no. | ||
| I think a super high, I can tell you, a very high priority Let's talk about that. | ||
| that are going to be, I think, in charge when we take over and think is that the House is going to run very serious. | ||
| And I think public hearings on this to actually show the receipts so that when Dr. Rich says things like this, people are going, what is he talking about? | ||
| Now he's got me really scared because he's going back to 2019 and earlier on. | ||
| Is it, let's talk about that. | ||
| Here's, I think, the thing that has people the most rattled is that these are not quacks that are coming forward on TV. | ||
| This is Johns Hopkins. | ||
| This is the top scientist in the country, Fauci, Dr. Collins. | ||
| These are the guys that basically take taxpayers money and fund these grants to the top research universities. | ||
| I mean, this was a who's who of came on MSNBC and was in the editorial pages of the New York Times on NPR, the great organs of kind of the liberal order that runs the country. | ||
| How could those people put out information that you say is just categorically misleading? | ||
| Well, one thing that we've learned in the last two years is our elite technocratic class are really outstanding at their technical abilities and solve technical problems really well and have very poor judgment when it comes to moral and civic issues. | ||
| And they're easily corruptible. | ||
| They believe in theories about everything and not in common sense. | ||
| And this was George Orwell's comment about intellectuals believe things that no normal person would ever believe. | ||
| is where does money come into this? | ||
| I think money drives most of it. | ||
| Money? | ||
| Well, money and control. | ||
| So this is me speaking as an average citizen, not as an expert. | ||
| I think that what happened is, so we believed, we thought that this was driven because then we recognized the vaccines were Operation Wardsheed, that that was what was being paved, that was a highway being paved for that, and then it took some more months before we recognized. | ||
| You think the shutdown of the of the therapeutics? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Was to make sure that vaccine was the only, which is counter to how we've done it all in the past, where we look for therapeutics first, understanding vaccines are a 10-year process or longer? | ||
| Yes, but there were two things about that. | ||
| One was to pave the way for free market for the vaccines only without competition. | ||
| And the other was to ratchet up deaths that looked like they didn't have any hand in them. | ||
| So that people would be even more afraid, because fearful people are compliant people. | ||
| And that way they could sell the vaccines, because, like in Stockholm Syndrome, you make people afraid, and then you say, and here is your exit, and the people think, okay, now I'm going to get out of my fear by doing what they want me to do. | ||
| Dr. Richard Rutherford told it, ratchet up the deaths. | ||
| To find that, what does that phrase mean? | ||
| It means they let people die who could have been treated early, That by the end of 2020, there were what half a million deaths that had been recorded. | ||
| We don't know whether what fraction were deaths from COVID as opposed to with COVID, but those numbers We're there in part because it paralyzed people from fear. | ||
| People changed their behaviors. | ||
| They were afraid to go out. | ||
| They were compliant and, you know, masking and all these other things that we now know don't work well. | ||
| And so people did all that because they were afraid. | ||
| Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to turn to Dr. Harvey Risch in the war room in just a moment. | ||
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Pandemic. | |
| War Room, pandemic, with Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, we're going to get into the Biden administration's or regime's answer to inflation. | ||
| He had the Fed over there yesterday. | ||
| You know what the answer to inflation is? | ||
| Yes, suppress wages. | ||
| That's what we're going to focus on is the wages of the working class. | ||
| A brilliant strategy, right? | ||
| We're going to deconstruct all that. | ||
| Also, head of Cyber Command today actually announced that we've been in offensive cyber warfare support In Ukraine at the same time that Biden flipped in 24 hours and now is going to put missiles intermediate-range missiles or short-range missiles that can each actually reach Russia into Ukraine. | ||
| So all that. | ||
| We've got the machines big story in the Associated Press that the machines can be hacked and they've got a quote and go together. | ||
| This is a quote down by I think it's Dr. Halderman. | ||
| It's Dr. Halderman's suppressed report in the courts has been leaked. | ||
| Halderman says it's just he says it's it's very It's a very embarrassing coincidence, unfortunate coincidence, that the machines we're talking about are Dominion machines. | ||
| Remember, we're not machine guys, but we're gonna have Tina Peters on, all that. | ||
| We've got a lot to get through. | ||
| Ben Burquam's down at the school in Texas. | ||
| We're actually going to show some footage so that you can actually see some of the time and distance, because the timeline doesn't make sense. | ||
| Nothing makes sense. | ||
| How the kid got $8,000 to $10,000 to buy cash. | ||
| We now find out he probably can't drive, no Texas driver's license. | ||
| How he bought the guns. | ||
| How he bought the ammo, all of it. | ||
| Very confusing and nobody's really putting an effort forward. | ||
| Also, Ben Berquam, we have an interview he did two weeks before with the mayor. | ||
| Because why was he in Uvalde? | ||
| Because that's the crossroads between Eagle Pass and Del Rio. | ||
| We've been covering that non-stop on the border. | ||
| He was down there and the mayor said in the school year 20, fall of 20 to the spring of 21, so that year, the school year of 21, They had 48 lockdowns in the schools, associated with with cartel members coming, armed cartel members, just blowing through town, right? | ||
| So they had to lock schools down. | ||
| So we'll get to all that. | ||
| And where's the 13-man SWAT team? | ||
| Where's the 13-man SWAT team? | ||
| They kind of disappeared. | ||
| All of that is going to come with Ben Burkham. | ||
| We've also got MSNBC's doing a big hit piece tonight on Hispanic Americans that are voting Republican and part of the Trump movement. | ||
| We're going to deconstruct that. | ||
| We've got Anna Paulina, who's really going after her heart. | ||
| So it's a ton of stuff to get to. | ||
| I'm very honored to have a very special guest, Dr. Harvey Risch. | ||
| Dr. Risch, so just to go back when you say ratchet up the desk, were there officials like Fauci or is it the hospitals, is it Cuomo? | ||
| Because you know on the show the other night, we did a special Saturday night, Andrew Giuliani has committed as the first active governor of New York, he will impanel a bipartisan commission to investigate the nursing home situation in New York where it looks like they had 15,000 excess deaths because they wouldn't use the USS Hope, they wouldn't use the field hospitals, they wouldn't use that because of Cuomo's donors. | ||
| When you say ratchet up the deaths, go back and explain that to people. | ||
| So I think this was a passive effect, but a desired one, that they basically let the deaths happen without intervening when they knew that these early usage medications, outpatient medications, worked quite well. | ||
| But they, you know, so they had to deny that for economic reasons and they had to deny it for fear-mongering reasons. | ||
| And you have to realize that the pharma companies take adverse events in stride. | ||
| Fauci takes adverse events in stride because they figure that that's the price to pay for getting something that works. | ||
| There's always going to be some people for whom it doesn't work. | ||
| And the problem with that is, so if you have one or two people out of eight million who, you know, for whom it doesn't work, you can rationalize that society is willing to pay that cost. | ||
| but when it's 1% or 2% of people who have severe adverse events or mortality, a normal person would say that's not acceptable, and especially for a disease that doesn't require that vaccine in the first place, except in a very narrowly defined high-risk group. | ||
| And so instead, this was massaged to be a product that causes a lot of harm in the general population when used widely, and it was rationalized, oh, that's the price society has to pay. | ||
| So these people are inured to the mortality and adverse events because they've been doing this for decades, they have been, I mean. | ||
| Fauci and his AIDS drugs, as written about by Bobby Kennedy in his book, are described very extensively as an industry that does not really care about the damage that it does to the people in the trials as long as it gets a trial that gives a positive result. | ||
| You can read the details in that book. | ||
| It's very extensive and well documented. | ||
| But the whole point is that this is their normal operating procedure. | ||
| They take it as just how the field works in clinical pharma research. | ||
| And it's unfortunate, but we have to do that. | ||
| I think it's kind of how they would rationalize it, without knowing how much damage it's actually doing, or for that matter, really caring about how much damage it's actually doing. | ||
| But here, the damage was useful. | ||
| I don't know whether it was incompetence or intentional to put the people back into the nursing homes who were infectious and infected more people. | ||
| It happened in New Jersey. | ||
| It happened in Connecticut. | ||
| You know, that will take some investigation to find out. | ||
| But the whole rest of society was dealing with the mortality as well, and that was being led to happen because it was in the interest of promoting fear, which was promoting compliance. | ||
| And this is all well worked out for a century at least. | ||
| You know, it happened in Germany in the 1930s. | ||
| They worked it out precisely well to convince the German people, you know, about demonizing classes of people in the population to remove them from the population. | ||
| And we've seen some of the same things with unvaccinated people, demonizing unvaccinated people. | ||
| Some of the very same messages that were used then for the point of population control. | ||
| You come from the heart of the establishment. | ||
| You're one of the most revered universities in this country with an amazing history of the last couple hundred years. | ||
| You're the heart of the medical establishment. | ||
| You research grants. | ||
| I mean you're part of the system. | ||
| When in this process, let's go back to 2020, when in this process did you say something's not right here? | ||
| This is not what I've spent my career being trained in this and there's something wrong here. | ||
| So in early 2020, in March, I think, of 2020, I'm a member of the Connecticut Academy of Science and Engineering, and the Academy struck a committee to assist the governor with reopening of the state. | ||
| And we were a kind of an out-of-the-box committee. | ||
| We weren't just your usual public health people. | ||
| There were a couple of people in public health, some clinicians, a clinical psychologist, Some aeronautical engineers who know about jet flow and air flow in jet planes and all this stuff. | ||
| A couple physicists. | ||
| No flakes. | ||
| All establishment. | ||
| Highly credentialed. | ||
| All heavy scientists. | ||
| And my task in that was to look at early outpatient treatment. | ||
| And that's how I ended up looking at hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir for that matter. | ||
| And how I wrote the paper that was published in the American Journal of Epidemiology talking about the first Batch of evidence showing benefit for early usage in high-risk outpatients of hydroxychloroquine. | ||
| And then what happened was all of these strange media messages were occurring. | ||
| Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work because this study shows it. | ||
| But the study was a study of hospital patients. | ||
| Well, no one was saying it was working in hospital patients. | ||
| We're all saying it works in outpatients. | ||
| As I said, it's a different hospital disease, a different disease. | ||
| So why should all these smear campaigns be coming out against outpatient usage when there were no studies of outpatient usage? | ||
| And then after a while, these clinical trials of outpatient hydroxychloroquine were being used and purported, the conclusions of the authors were that it shows no benefit. | ||
| And there's two things about that. | ||
| The first is that even if it showed no benefit, it also has no harm. | ||
| And so there's no reason not to try it, even if you don't know whether the benefit is real or not. | ||
| When people are dying left and right, you use anything you can, and I said this in an essay, I think maybe it was in the Newsweek essay or something like that, you try everything you can that's not harmful, and then you see whether it works empirically in real life. | ||
| That's the real bottom line. | ||
| That's why I'm an epidemiologist, because what matters is in people. | ||
| And so what we're seeing is all these strange messages, and then these studies came out, these fraudulent randomized trials with One death in the placebo group and no deaths in the treatment group or vice versa, and they're saying, well, the illness was shortened by two days or not shortened by two days, and they have these flaky subjective outcomes in these studies. | ||
| They didn't account for the time it took to ship the medications to the people. | ||
| They suppressed that information, as David Wiseman has elegantly reanalyzed and shown the study does have a benefit, shows a benefit. | ||
| And so they were making these fake studies with, and there's dozens of ways of hijacking and making randomized trials into frauds. | ||
| I have a whole lecture on this in one of the classes that I teach on how to distort a randomized trial. | ||
| And so they were putting this out as if it were counter evidence when they actually had no evidence because these studies were of healthy health care workers who are in their 40s and 50s, say, who are not old enough or have comorbidity conditions that put them at high risk. | ||
| So there were no deaths. | ||
| There's very few hospitalizations and very few deaths in these studies, so they don't bear on the question of whether hydroxychloroquine works in early treatment. | ||
| Nevertheless, they were getting all this media play and smearing it, and this was a campaign. | ||
| So we started recognizing there is something afoot here that's not just sloppy reporting. | ||
| It became clear that it was intentional and not sloppy reporting. | ||
| And that's how I got sensitized to that there was something untoward here that was going on that needed an explanation. | ||
| What, I tell you what, we're going to go to a break. | ||
| Dr. Risch has been kind enough to stay over and we're going to have, we're going to push some of our other guests. | ||
| We're going to have Tina Peters here to talk about the machines, this new Associated Press report off of Dr. Halderman's report. | ||
| That's going to come up now I think in one of the cases down in Georgia. | ||
| Also got Anna Paulina about the MSNBC hit piece that's going to take place tonight on the Hispanics, Americans that are joining The Trump movement and it looks like they're going to vote for the Republicans. | ||
| We've got a ton of financial economic news. | ||
| A lot going on in Ukraine. | ||
| Ben Burquham's live down in Uvalde, Texas. | ||
| So we're going to get to all of it. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
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We'll be back with Dr. Harvey Risch in just a moment. | |
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| Bring it on and I will fight to the end, just watch and see. | ||
| It's all started, everything's begun, and you are over. | ||
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| War Room. Pandemic. With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| By the way, the book, Body of Others, I think went to number 11 on Amazon's right now. | ||
| Make sure you get this. | ||
| This is a really shocking exposé written by Dr. Naomi Wolf, and you know the job she's done with Pfizer and all that. | ||
| So we're going to have a lot more about this book. | ||
| We want to get it to number one. | ||
| It forced the New York Times. | ||
| Unlike Peter Navarro who sold like 300,000 copies of his book, it was bestseller everywhere except the New York Times. | ||
| Funny. | ||
| We've got to do a special on this. | ||
| Your perspective, particularly after you retire and maybe you have a little more time, but I want to go back to McCulloch. | ||
| We're now in May of 2022. | ||
| We've just had Naomi with 3,000 members of this audience. | ||
| I want to thank, last night at the one-hour special, we'll rebroadcast that, you guys got the biggest shout out of just putting your shoulder to the wheel in this Pfizer study. | ||
| First off, was that unusual for Pfizer to demand and get 75 years before any of the material about their study would come out? | ||
| Did you find that odd? | ||
| Well, it was unusual because nobody's been pressed to actually do that in the past. | ||
| It's not a general thing that people have tried to litigate to force companies to reveal all of their internal documents. | ||
| So in that regard, it was unusual. | ||
| But the fact that they would try every possible trick to prevent it from coming out, like saying, we don't have enough throughput to be able to massage the paperwork to redact everything, you know, is just a sham argument that the court saw through. | ||
| So McCulloch said that this is bigger than any war, this is bigger than the conflict with the CCP, it's bigger than what's happening in Ukraine, the southern border, any issue that you can see out there today, that this is the big, because of what happened, how institutions responded to it, and so where are we today in this, what struggle or event in May of 22, now over two years into it? | ||
| So, as I was kind of discussing before, we thought that this was all the pharma vaccine companies that were pushing their financial interests to control the marketplace for massive vaccination programs, subscription vaccination programs, because they knew that it wouldn't work for very long and so on. | ||
| And we didn't think beyond that. | ||
| But after a while, we realized that there's got to be more to this. | ||
| Because of the massive size of this, of trying to push vaccines everywhere, when you know it doesn't matter, is irrational. | ||
| Trying to push vaccines in places where there's no epidemic, like in Africa and places that have survived the pandemic and have gone more passive. | ||
| When you say push vaccines because it doesn't matter, what do you mean by that? | ||
| In other words, the vaccines are not going to protect the people from anything, from a disease that doesn't exist in their population at the time. | ||
| You know, if this were the fall and there were new waves coming, then there would be a plausibility that this seems like, from their point of view, a rational thing to do. | ||
| But pushing vaccines on populations now, when there's no infection in the population, when they've mounted enough herd immunity to repel the infection for the time being, at least, is irrational. | ||
| Not that we haven't had a lot of rationality in everything, but there's not even any plausibility in that. | ||
| And so people have started looking kind of up the chain of interest, whose interests are being met. | ||
| And this gets back to the World Economic Forum and who supports that. | ||
| And, you know, not having any data, I'm not an expert in this, so I can't really speak to it other than to say that we need to have more clarity and investigation on the motivations of the financial interests that are above the WEF. | ||
| that are above the vaccine companies. | ||
| You would be supportive, when the Republicans take the House, of a fair but detailed and relentless investigation of everything that went on in this pandemic, including what happened with therapeutics, what happened with the vaccines, what was the whole process, all of it. | ||
| Sure, we want to exonerate people who did the right thing, even if it ended up in the wrong way, but if they were honest scientists and just did the work as best they thought and weren't in the position to make judgments and decisions that affected society in a corrupt way, they're not responsible for it. | ||
| But the people who made the decisions and all their subordinates who were clicking their heels together, so to speak, are the ones who are responsible. | ||
| We need to clarify all that out, work out all the details. | ||
| There has to be some accounting for the massive scale of mortality. | ||
| We don't even know the damage that's happened to people who have been vaccinated in terms of longer term. | ||
| We have some signals. | ||
| I'm still skeptical because I'm an epidemiologist and a skeptical scientist, but these things may very well turn out to like a doubt has said about the increased risk in working class people of all cause mortality. | ||
| That's that's being found. | ||
| This is likely to continue. | ||
| It's been seen by other insurance companies in Europe as well as here. | ||
| You mean the increased mortality rates? | ||
| Increased mortality rates in the period of the vaccines that were not seen in the period of COVID before the vaccine. | ||
| Just before you came on here, one of the airlines, they're talking about the airlines maybe reinstalling mask mandates. | ||
| Where do you think we should be with either vaccine mandates or mask mandates today in May of, or I guess it's June, June of 22? | ||
| Well, I've argued that vaccine mandates are essentially against constitutional law and case law that followed from constitutional law. I'm not an attorney, but the Jacobson case did deal with a vaccine mandate in Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1903 from the epidemic then, and Justice Harlan laid out four | ||
| criteria for that decision, and none of those criteria are met for the COVID vaccines. | ||
| And so if you can't satisfy the reasons that the court finds under its reasoning principles for having a vaccine mandate, then the law doesn't support having a vaccine mandate. | ||
| Now, the mask mandates are ridiculous because they don't work. | ||
| Let's set this law aside for a second. | ||
| Does the science support, in your belief, a vaccine mandate? | ||
| Well, it depends what is being mandated. | ||
| So, back up. | ||
| The law and the government only has an interest in protecting transmission of the illness between people. | ||
| To protect people who can't protect themselves, basically. | ||
| That's the government interest. | ||
| The government has no interest in forcing you to treat yourself. | ||
| The government isn't forcing people to take anti-smoking medications. | ||
| It isn't forcing people to take medications that stop them from bungee jumping and so on. | ||
| The government has no treatment mandate, no interest in treatment and all these things about we don't have enough hospital beds is spurious because they could have taken the tens or billions of dollars they spent on unnecessary vaccination and put it into building more hospitals. | ||
| That's their problem. | ||
| More capacity. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's not a government interest. | ||
| The government interest is preventing spread. | ||
| We've seen very clear evidence that the vaccines do not prevent spread. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're, as an epidemiologist, you're convinced the evidence shows that? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| The British data are by far definitive. | ||
| They were so concerned that it was so definitive that they stopped putting it out in the middle of March. | ||
| But it shows that the three-fold vaccine boosted people with the vaccines. | ||
| Have approximately from age 18 and up have about threefold risk of getting symptomatic infection compared to unvaccinated people. | ||
| With that evidence, how can you still have coming up on MSNBC, the New York Times, at the White House, people talking about, you know, get a mandate, the next booster and all that? | ||
| Well, if you don't like the evidence, you ignore it. | ||
| Ignore it in plain sight. | ||
| I mean, that's the whole malfeasance of this pandemic, is there's so much evidence out there and they just will ignore it. | ||
| Either they suppress it, they censor it, or they ignore it. | ||
| What do you think the next day, as an epidemiologist, what happens to the basic COVID-19 as it sits here today? | ||
| Well, my understanding is, and I have colleagues who disagree with this, and we've had lots of discussions about it, but my understanding is that this virus will stay low-level endemic, it will continue to evolve, that the strains that come out of it will be what we call sub-lineages, strains that derive from Omicron itself, and that Omicron is a very relatively mild illness. | ||
| Sure, there have been people hospitalized and a few people have died who are at high risk people to start with, but by and large, people do okay on this. | ||
| When doctors say it's a mild illness, it means they don't get hospitalized. | ||
| It doesn't mean it doesn't make people miserable. | ||
| People can get miserable on Omicron, but they survive it, they get through it. | ||
| And these lineages, the BA2 and the subsequent ones have been slightly more infectious than the original Omicron, but not any more toxic, not any more virulent. | ||
| And that's what I expect to happen. | ||
| And so in the fall, when we're more likely to see a new wave, I'm expecting it to be... | ||
| Omicron-like, flu-like, not serious, and being misrepresented as we have another big wave we have to go and vaccinate against, which is not necessary. | ||
| Sure, there could be elderly, sick people who might need help. | ||
| This is another. | ||
| My colleagues, you know, go both ways on this. | ||
| I'm kind of neutral. | ||
| I'll say, evaluate risk-benefit, and then you decide for yourself. | ||
| It's not a mandate. | ||
| But by far, these vaccines do not prevent spread. | ||
| And that's the state interest, and so there is no state interest in mandating vaccinations. | ||
| Why are they obsessed with vaccinating the children, the 5 to 8s, and now even the babies? | ||
| What's the obsession with that? | ||
| And do you think that that's proper? | ||
| My understanding, and I'm not 100% clear on this, but it is that once these vaccines are in the childhood vaccine mandate schedule, the register, Registration schedule for all childhood vaccines, that that lets the vaccine companies off the hook legally. | ||
| And so they need that as a step to continue. | ||
| So right now, under emergency use authorization, they have no legal liability unless one can show fraud in their behaviors. | ||
| Once the products are fully licensed, that goes away. | ||
| But at the same time, if they get on the childhood schedule, they get that protection back. | ||
| They're the hook. | ||
| Biden back in the Biden, I think two months ago, extended his emergency powers with no cap and unlimited. | ||
| Do you believe that that's appropriate given where this is right now as a disease? | ||
| Well, I've argued actually in the Wall Street Journal that we're being abused, that the emergency ended upon the arrival of Omicron. | ||
| and certainly by the end of January and into February, that... | ||
| In January, February this year, that means it's not a pandemic anymore. | ||
| It's not a emergency. | ||
| A pandemic needs deaths in order to make it important. And it wasn't happening. The deaths were going down as the Omicron cases were going up. And as I said, Omicron was serving as a virtual vaccine itself and generating herd immunity in the people whose immunity wasn't damaged by having had the vaccines before that. | ||
| So this was beneficial and I've argued that case counts are worthless for managing a pandemic. | ||
| They only institute fear. | ||
| And what we need to count are hospitalizations and mortality, and that's how you manage a pandemic. | ||
| And so when you hear all these case waves and so on, people get afraid. | ||
| But you look at the mortality, you see the mortality is going down, and that's what matters. | ||
| Are you on social media? | ||
| Do you have a website? | ||
| How do people get to you? | ||
| I have a Telegram channel. | ||
| I think it's real. | ||
| Dr. Harvey Risch. | ||
| There's two fake channels out there also. | ||
| We've got a bunch too. | ||
| So we'll get that up. | ||
| So real Dr. Harvey Risch. | ||
| Or is it real Harvey Risch, MD, PhD? | ||
| He's talking to his manager. | ||
| So we'll make sure it all gets up. | ||
| I want to thank you, one, for coming to the event last night, which was fantastic, but also for being with here today. | ||
| We look forward to having you. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| Back on. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| The Fox hits are fantastic, but it's so tough to cram it into a short period of time. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Glad to let you have an opportunity to talk. | ||
| Okay, we're gonna take a short commercial break. | ||
| When we return, we've got the really one of the heroes, another hero in the country, Tina Peters. | ||
| This time there's breaking news from the Associated Press that this controversial Dr. Haldeman report is about. | ||
| I hear From Cleta Mitchell may come out an unclassified version here shortly talks about the machines can be hacked That's from the report not from Gateway Pundit not from Citizens Free Press not from the world. | ||
| and we're just reporting what's out there. | ||
| We'll take a short break, be back in a moment. | ||
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| Okay, we want to thank Dr. Risch for doing that. | ||
| It's pretty extraordinary. | ||
| We're going to get a lot more details of all this, and particularly his line of country, the way he's thinking about this now, quite amazing. | ||
| Okay, there's so much to get through, we're going to get it all jammed in in the next, what, hour and ten minutes. | ||
| Massive story in the Associated Press. | ||
| I told you that they were trying to lead this. | ||
| Leaked to the Washington Post the other day about the Haldeman report. | ||
| They tried to get in front of it, but the headline was says, no evidence of machines hacked in the 2020 election. | ||
| And then in the fourth paragraph, the Haldeman report, they kind of leaked it saying, oh, yeah, by the way, the machines can be hacked. | ||
| Which, adamantly, they've said, no, no, no, safest election, can't do it, impossible. | ||
| So we've asked Tina Peters, the great Tina Peters, who has been literally hounded by not just her Democratic opposition, but also law enforcement for standing up for the American people. | ||
| Ma'am, what is this Associated Press story? | ||
| And it's kind of the leaking now of the Haldeman report. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
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Well, you know, J. Alex Haldeman started investigating this, and he's a Democrat, started investigating back in 2007. | |
| 2017, he testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee and said, we need to let both sides know about this information that I've uncovered before the 2018 and the 2020 elections. | ||
| And they did not. | ||
| They kept it sealed. | ||
| In February 12th of this year, they sealed it again. | ||
| And that's why on Valentine's Day, two days later, I decided I have to run into the belly of this beast and run for Secretary of State, Steve. | ||
| So this is, I mean, this should have been let out a long time ago, and I'm surprised it hadn't. | ||
| And you know, this was one of the reasons, or this was the main reason that I did a backup of Mesa County, of the Mesa County server, was because Dominion had told me they were going to delete this QR code program off the machine. | ||
| And I reasoned, I said, if they delete this QR code program, So how do we know that QR code is really what the person voted? | ||
| And so that's also come out in the report, that it's questionable that that QR code actually represented accurately the vote of the people. | ||
| Here's what, you know, we're not machine guys. | ||
| We've always been kind of the theory that it was the Zuckerberg and the mules, that theory of the case, the mail-in votes and you do the canvas and you find all these phony voters. | ||
| But we had an open mind because that is not technically proficient. | ||
| I find it stunning, though, that in the Associated Press story, They've got down, the buried lead is about 12 paragraphs down, that Dr. Haldeman goes, it's an unfortunate, this is a quote, it's an unfortunate coincidence that this all revolves around Dominion machines. | ||
| So how can that, how can that be? | ||
| I mean, how can this Dominion thing is clearly a pretty big deal, is that not correct? | ||
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That is a big deal. | |
| They are at the very heart of this, but you know, Steve, it's also the ES&S heart machines, Any computerized voting machine, we're seeing the same irregularities that we're seeing in the Dominion machines that we have in Colorado. | ||
| And so, you know, they are they're scrambling. | ||
| And so what they're doing is they're trying to demonize me and others. | ||
| I mean, this indictment that came down, you know, and I tell people that because they say, well, how how can you run for office? | ||
| You're under indictment. | ||
| Well, an indictment is just an accusation. | ||
| It's just an accusation by a one sided I would never steal someone's identity. | ||
| that doesn't want you to run for Secretary of State to protect the people's vote. | ||
| And I can honestly say my attorneys looked at that indictment and they laughed. | ||
| They said, are you kidding me? | ||
| I mean, it accuses me of stealing someone's identity, which is totally false. | ||
| I would never steal someone's identity. | ||
| I don't even have a parking ticket or a traffic ticket. | ||
| It said that I influenced public servants. | ||
| Hang on for a second, but the story itself says, and now the media, CNN, I think is now, they're all over this, that CISI says, the official government thing says, there was no fraud on the machines in 2020, although they are open to be hacked. | ||
| I think that's what the Haldeman Report is going to say, or their analysis of the machines. | ||
| So how do you counter that where they say they've already gone through, so Tina Peters is a nice lady and she's a gold star mother, but we've already proven nothing happened in 2020, although there is the possibility they could be hacked. | ||
| How do you answer that? | ||
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CISA and the FEC, the Federal Election Commission, have all been infiltrated, just like our FBI, our DOJ. | |
| They've all been infiltrated and they've been part of the problem is that they will not be truthful with the people. | ||
| And so it's taken us, even being banned from mainstream media, to get this information out. | ||
| They are not our friends. | ||
| If you think you have the evidence that you say you have, and you showed it to Dr. Haldeman, independently, do you believe Dr. Haldeman would believe your case, or believe Sissa's case? | ||
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Oh, he would definitely believe my case. | |
| But see, here we have a situation again where Patriot Jodi Heiss in Georgia just got defeated by the worst criminal in the country, Raffensperger, who allowed this, in his primary, who allowed all of this fraud to take place. | ||
| Not only allowed it, but covered it up and defended it. | ||
| So, you know, these are players that don't love our country, that are looking to succumb to the globalists, the people that want to take our country down. | ||
| So I would say J. Alex Halderman knows the truth, and we know where the bodies are buried, but there's been such a major suppression, and a lot of force put on him. | ||
| And he's a Democrat. | ||
| Can we get your campaign? | ||
| How do people get to you on campaign? | ||
| How do they get to you on social media? | ||
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I appreciate that. | |
| It's TinaPetersForColorado.com. | ||
| TinaPetersForColorado.com. | ||
| And let me just tell you, Steve, that That the head of the Democrat Association for Secretary of State is Jenna Griswold. | ||
| She's the chair. | ||
| She's my opponent, and she's running to defeat all the other Republican candidates in the country. | ||
| David Versaglia, thank you very much. |
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