May 28, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
| France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| That this is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
| France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
| Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't, then the worst happens. | ||
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War Room, Pandemic. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, welcome. | ||
| We're here for our special over the weekend. | ||
| This is Memorial Day. | ||
| We're going to have specials throughout the weekend. | ||
| You're in the War Room. | ||
| It's Saturday, 28 May, the year of our Lord 2022, with Tony Blinken. | ||
| Was a couple of days ago making a talk about they haven't taken their off the ball off Ukraine and the Chinese China and the CCP still their number one Competitor strategic competitor as they call it and The looks like China the CCP with zero growth is they've got an all-hands conference call 10,000 cadre members. | ||
| That would take the United States like two years to even set up. | ||
| They're getting the word out that economic growth has to come back, and it looks like clearly for people that study it, they're shifting rapidly to a war footing. | ||
| There was a great webinar the other day with the Committee on the Present Danger. | ||
| Everybody's buzzing about it. | ||
| Some audio tapes out there that obviously people are working on the verification of, but they're interesting to listen to and pull some Pull some analysis, not so vast. | ||
| The great Frank Gaffney and the team over at the Committee on the Present Danger and the Center for Security Policy helped us put together this special. | ||
| It's going to be two things. | ||
| It's going to be a big picture of the geostrategic stakes of what's at stake in East Asia and the Eurasian landmass and has now sensibly pivoted to the existential threat to the United States with the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And then we're going to look very specifically, if war comes, since this is Memorial Day weekend and we will have A special on Monday with Patrick K. O'Donnell and Captain Bannon. | ||
| We're going to focus on Arlington National Cemetery, the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, but also talk about various American battlefield monument cemeteries in Europe and Asia, also some of the cemeteries here in the United States as we honor the sacred war dead of the United States. | ||
| And that will play twice. | ||
| We'll play in the morning at 10 to noon, and then we'll Broadcasted from four to six on Real America's Voice. | ||
| I want to thank Real America's Voice. | ||
| They've really been a tremendous help in putting these together and including this special. | ||
| The second part of this will be if war comes, or we should say when the kinetic war comes. | ||
| Is my beloved 7th Fleet, is the United States Navy Capable of a victory here like they were in the in World War Two, like they were in the in the Second World War. | ||
| We're going to have Captain Fennell, Stephen Byron. | ||
| We're going to have some real experts on here to talk about this. | ||
| Frank Gaffney, the founder, one of the founders and the co-head of the Committee on the Present Danger, joins us. | ||
| In studio, in the War Room, of course we've got Brian Kennedy and Dr. Bradley Thayer, two of the best big picture thinkers, geostrategists, about what's going on. | ||
| Frank, I want to toss to you first, and to tee this up, you came to me, there was these tapes, but you know, we've been having all these things about I don't see it in that big picture, but we've been focused on very specific stuff of economic warfare, what Larry Fink is doing, the capital markets. | ||
| We've really been trying to grind into the types of things we need to win. | ||
| But then, in the last couple of weeks, I think, what I would call the China hands have been very upset and very disturbed by what we've seen as kind of, it looks like something's happening That's not COVID-19. | ||
| In Shanghai, 400 million people locked down. | ||
| Are they strategically trying to take down the supply chain? | ||
| They don't care if they kill 100 million Chinese, allow Beijing to wreck our supply chain, our economy. | ||
| The war toxins are sounding. | ||
| They came out on Friday in the Financial Times and talked about their version of the New World Order with Russia and themselves working. | ||
| And they talked about sovereignty of other nations. | ||
| The United States is a big threat to that. | ||
| We've got this whole Ukraine mess. | ||
| What are we trying to accomplish today? | ||
| In accomplishing, what are we trying to get the posse, the cadre, the cutting edge of the activist community of the Trump America First movement? | ||
| What are we trying to do here? | ||
| We believe now the endgame in the run-up to war with the United States. | ||
| Taiwan is certainly in the crosshairs, but in this webinar that we had yesterday, now yesterday, it was Thursday this past week, | ||
| With the Committee on the Present Danger, China, three of our best people who are with us today, focused in on evidence, and it's partly in this video from Guangdong Province, and we'll talk more about that in the course of this show, but it's also a lot of other indicators and warnings that are now increasingly making plain | ||
| That the Chinese communists are not simply talking about unrestricted warfare against us of the non-kinetic kind, or even about sort of achieving world domination eventually. | ||
| They're now moving out, apparently. | ||
| To begin the process of taking control of the world through their cutouts as well as through their force of arms and other direct means. | ||
| And I think what we're going to try to do is give the Posse some action items as well as to what needs to be done about all that. | ||
| whether it's defending Taiwan, and we'll talk about that in the second block of this special program, whether it's trying to make sure that we're not paying for all of this, which is a critical feature of what's really wrong with this picture. | ||
| And in the process, we're really going to drill down on what our own government is doing that is actually contributing to the problem in material ways and why that has to stop urgently. | ||
| Let's go to – let's start with Brian Kennedy. | ||
| He's from American Strategy Groups. | ||
| He's the chairman of the Committee on the Present Danger. | ||
| Brian, when Frank says, you know, we're on the path to war, I know a lot of people are sitting there going, well, hang on for a second. | ||
| I've been looking at Ukraine, what's happening with China. | ||
| Tony Blinken, you know, gives a big speech, really his seminal speech on China and I think he was calling them, you know, there is a bowl of mush but it was like they're a competitor, they're a strategic competitor. | ||
| He didn't hear- We're going to cooperate. | ||
| We're going to cooperate. | ||
| He didn't hear, you know, that we actually have a better system and if we nudge them it's all the Thucydides trap nonsense put up in worse grammar or less stirring rhetoric than Graham Ellison and Kissinger. | ||
| And we also had Kissinger and Soros over there. | ||
| Kissinger saying, kind of taking the war room line, you got to deescalate in Ukraine. | ||
| Where is this? | ||
| Are we overreacting to what's going on? | ||
| And once again, hair on fire? | ||
| Or is this something that we see major moves by the Chinese Communist Party now to start to consolidate what they think their victories are, their wins already in the Eurasian landmass? | ||
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Well, thank you, Steve. | |
| And it's great that we're having this conversation, because the American people need to know just the state of affairs, and they're not going to get it from Antony Blinken, who really, in his speech, was talking about how the United States needs China. | ||
| in all sorts of economic ways. And so it's very difficult to talk about the dangers of the world when you're talking about needing China, as opposed to putting the country on a path to be independent from China and not needing them for all the things we do, from pharmaceuticals to all sorts of manufacturing. The key reason we're having this conversation is that in Guangdong | ||
| province on May 14th, they had a conversation between the leaders of the provincial party committees to discuss preparations for war with Taiwan. | ||
| And what had come down was a national mobilization order the Chinese Communist Party, which had to have been approved by Xi Jinping himself, that there was going to be put in place the steps over the next week's months to make sure that Guangdong province and the southern provinces were prepared to help the rest of the country | ||
| when they go to war with Taiwan. Now, that's not taken lightly. | ||
| That's a matter of high government policy. | ||
| That had to be a decision of the entire Politburo, with Xi Jinping as the secretary of that, making the decision that they were going to mobilize the country in preparation for war. | ||
| Now, that doesn't guarantee that war is going to happen, but they are going to prepare for war. | ||
| Now, this transcript is very interesting in the sense that it goes in pretty granular detail about how to orient the people of the southern provinces to prepare for war. | ||
| They talk about little things, not so little actually, like making sure that the police department Departments throughout the region could suppress any riots, large-scale riots, in the megacities of Guangzhou and Shenzhen. | ||
| So they're preparing for a major, major action. | ||
| And whether they do it or not is another thing, but they are going to prepare for it. | ||
| They know that it takes months to prepare for it, and they're doing everything they can now to set those actions in motion. | ||
| I want to do, and I want to pull up, I'm going to give you a headline, and our camera crew and producers in Denver, from the other day. | ||
| China's economy, this is the Financial Times of London from Thursday, China's economy faces battle just to keep growing amidst premier. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Talk about the lockdowns and everything. | ||
| A huge thing about China, we all know that the compact And I just want to go through a timeline here before we go to break. | ||
| And Frank Gaffney is always terrific about putting this up. | ||
| They declared a people's war against the United States, and that is a seminal event that the establishment China hands don't want to talk about. | ||
| That came about with two other instances that drove that. | ||
| Number one, they had a conference in early May of 2019 of One Belt One Road. | ||
| Putin actually came to the conference. | ||
| Senior political leaders in Eastern European countries, I know well, that I met with and talked to shortly after, who are under the sway of Russia, this is back in 2019, who were stunned when they went to this conference about how deferential Putin was to Xi. | ||
| And she, and I think 40 countries showed up, a couple from the Eastern Bloc, or Eastern Europe, mainly from Sub-Saharan Africa and from Pakistan, things like that, but she was totally in charge. | ||
| Talk about One Belt, One Road, the unification, the network system, very much a follow-on to his speech at the World Economic Forum two days before Trump's inauguration address, number one. | ||
| Right after the end of that conference, a couple days later, they notified the Trump administration, after two years of negotiation, the Lighthizer-Navarro deal, that we said took care of the seven deadly sins, the one that would integrate their economy into the global economy, right? | ||
| They came back and said, hey, upon further review, we're not going to do that. | ||
| We're not going to sign that. | ||
| Number three, they also, of which Ian Bremmer says is the most important geostrategic move of the 21st century. | ||
| Ian Bremmer, not a guy over at Gateway Pundit, Ian Bremmer. | ||
| He says they announced shortly thereafter, two days later, that they're actually going to break with the Western technological system and they're going to have their own systems. | ||
| So three things happened in May of 2019 that are the predicate for this. | ||
| They say, we're not going to do the trade. | ||
| And the trade they do later, even Trump admits, is the skinny deal. | ||
| But they break with this two-year deal of all seven verticals. | ||
| They break with that. | ||
| They have the One Belt, One Road. | ||
| People are stunned about how deferential Putin is. | ||
| And she's running the whole deal and talks about going next level on One Belt, One Road. | ||
| And then they break with us on the technological side. | ||
| They say, we're not going to be beholden to Western technology. | ||
| Cut to April of this year. | ||
| And look, I follow China closer than anybody. | ||
| Remember when I was sanctioned? | ||
| They start doing these lockdowns in Guangzhou. | ||
| They start in Guangzhou. | ||
| They go up to Shanghai. | ||
| And nobody can figure out. | ||
| And guys, I know, they're over there. | ||
| They're experts. | ||
| They said, hey, I don't know if this is about COVID-19. | ||
| I think it may be something to do with the population. | ||
| There's all kind of speculation. | ||
| Now they're spraying stuff and people know it's another virus. | ||
| They said this is kind of an overreach even for these guys, for the COVID restrictions. | ||
| And the lockdowns, they said, make the ones originally in Wuhan look like nothing. | ||
| These are hardcore lockdowns, you see, right? | ||
| Then, on May 14th, you get the tape that we're talking about, May 14th, six weeks later, the war footing thing. | ||
| And then, just three days ago, they do a conference call, a video conference. | ||
| I think with 10,000 cadre members of every village all the way around, it would take the United States two months to set that up. | ||
| And basically the word goes out that we've got to be very much focused on growth. | ||
| But it's a perfect predicate. | ||
| That's the only part they released. | ||
| I said, why would they do a video call with every village head all the way up? | ||
| With the CCP, the 90 million, they had like the top 20,000 on this call, video conference. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| We're going to be back. | ||
| Are we on the path to kinetic war with the Chinese Communist Party? | ||
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story on next in the war. | |
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Seven days in May, and that may happen to be 2019, when the Chinese Communist Party declared People's War on the United States and went almost unremarked by all our bettors in the mainstream media, the official China hands. | ||
| Didn't talk about One Belt, One Road Conference, didn't talk about the break with the technological West, didn't talk about walking away from the Lighthizer deal that they negotiated daily for two years. | ||
| And then declared people's war. | ||
| That is in May of 2019. | ||
| That's the predicate here. | ||
| Frank Gaffney, your observations. | ||
| I think that was a seminal moment. | ||
| The only thing I would add, Steve, just because I think it's important to the context of what we're going to be discussing in the rest of the show is for approximately 20 years before that, These guys were pursuing what they called unrestricted warfare against us, and that involved technology, theft, among other things. | ||
| It involved, of course, economic warfare, hollowing out our economy. | ||
| Political warfare involves subversion, involves the espionage, the whole panoply of capabilities that they could use short of kinetic action to take us down. | ||
| And that's what they've been at for decades. | ||
| We're going to get it up. | ||
| Brian Kennedy, your thoughts about May of 2019 in the, in the, as we talked beforehand, we've talked about, are we going to war with China and the CCP? | ||
| And Dr. Thayer said, hey, we're already at war. | ||
| Brian Kennedy. | ||
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Well, Steve, I think your analysis is exactly right, and Frank has been on this for many, many years. | |
| The simple fact is, we in the United States have underestimated, in my judgment, the desire of the PRC to reunite with Taiwan. | ||
| They see that as a key part of their national sovereignty and the integrity of their country. | ||
| And so they engage in all sorts of actions to make sure they can achieve that, I believe, beginning with that People's War. | ||
| And if that led to the political collapse of the Trump administration, and now the Biden regime being put in its place, that gives the Chinese Communist Party a unique opportunity to reunify PRC with Taiwan. | ||
| And that would not have been possible in a Trump administration. | ||
| It is possible, given the fecklessness of the Biden regime today. | ||
| Bradley Thayer, with all the bad news you're hearing out of China on the numbers, right? | ||
| Their economy looks like it's in some form of at least collapse or massive slowdown, because they lie about everything, and they're even saying their growth is going to be under 5%. | ||
| With everything that's going on there, they just had the lockdowns, and hey, Bannon thinks it's something else, but they're telling people it's because of COVID-19 and trying to clean it up. | ||
| Do they even have the flexibility to do that? | ||
| Are we overthinking this? | ||
| Is this really a country that's on the brink of its own internal collapse? | ||
| And we're sitting here going, no, they're prepared. | ||
| They're actually in a some form of mobilization to look to expand physically into Taiwan. | ||
| Well, Steve, I think that's exactly right. | ||
| For the reasons that Brian Kennedy and Frank Gaffney touched on previously, China has a host of problems, demographic, economic, military problems. | ||
| No doubt, all of that is certainly true. | ||
| But that doesn't make them less of a threat. | ||
| So the threat is based in their capabilities, that they are a potent economy, a potent technology, and a formidable military. | ||
| But far more significantly is the intent of the Chinese Communist Party to aggress against the rest of the world, and most immediately Taiwan. | ||
| So despite China's problems, we need to recognize they've got the capabilities and they have the intent, as they've made clear, to be the dominant state certainly by 2049, and I'm sure well, well before that, and that would be immediately in this decade, as well as to aggress against Taiwan in the near term. | ||
| Uh, as well. | ||
| So, Steve, it's despite their problems, their capabilities and their intent are formidable, and that's what makes them the greatest challenge that we've faced as a country. | ||
| You can also see that, too, with Blinken, the Secretary of State. | ||
| When you talk about it, almost like a tributary state, we need China. | ||
| So you talk about potentially going to war, and they have a mentality they're already at war with us, at least economically. | ||
| Probably in Information Warfare 2, and you have a Secretary of State, supposedly their senior guy in China, that's essentially acting like a tributary state. | ||
| For the audience, I want to go back and talk about scale and length. | ||
| We think of things, and I can tell you, being in an administration which I think really took it to China for the first time, Larry Kudlow came out yesterday and said, hey, the difference between the 16 and the 20 campaign, the 16 was bad ideas, particularly China, manufacturing, the southern border, So this became a theme of the early Trump days, right, and throughout his administration. | ||
| So people can see and then you get Biden and it's kind of herky-jerky. | ||
| What timeline and what scale does the Chinese Communist Party and kind of the imperial mindset of the CCP and any leadership of China, what scale and what duration do they think on, Dr. Thayer? | ||
| Well, they think on an immediate timescale, Steve, which is very important for the audience to clearly grasp, that we could be at war with, they could try to invade Taiwan today, tomorrow, right, in the near term. | ||
| And we're still thinking in terms that we're going to have warning or we're going to have an adequate intelligence or that we'll have time to prepare for this, when in fact we need to recognize that we labor under the fog of peace, right? Our expectation is because there wasn't war yesterday, there's not going to be tomorrow. And we labor under that in part because we're seeking to preserve a status quo. | ||
| We want things to remain as they are. Well, the Chinese Communist Party is determined to change the status quo, and they're very susceptible and influenced by a key idea in Chinese strategic thought of strategic advantage. | ||
| And they see strategic advantage as being on their side now. | ||
| And so we should expect them to act immediately. | ||
| We should expect them to act in the midterm. | ||
| But the fundamental aspect to understand is that they're pushing against us all the time. | ||
| And they've been at war with us really since they came to power in 1949. | ||
| That's been more intense in some periods, and it's been a little bit improved during the late 1970s and the 1980s when there was a pre-found taunt between Beijing and Washington. | ||
| But they've been targeting us for a long time. | ||
| Now they have the capabilities to realize their intent. | ||
| So it could be tomorrow, Steve. | ||
| And we need to recognize that there are rare signals that we get, like the May 14th meeting. | ||
| that cut through that fog and that allow us to recognize the Chinese are moving to undermine our position and to threaten our interests in the Indo-Pacific and elsewhere immediately. You want to recall Roberta Woolsteader's great book in 1962, Pearl Harbor, Warning and Decision, where she looked through how could we be surprised at Pearl Harbor. | ||
| And her argument was, well, there was a lot of information coming in and the true signals, as she called them, the accurate information was kind of lost in the noise. | ||
| Well, May 14th is a signal, and we've been getting a lot of those signals recently, which suggests that we may be on the precipice of their effort to aggress against Taiwan, as they're aggressing against India presently, as they have designs on Japan, the Senkaku Island dispute, and in the South China Sea, as well as elsewhere. | ||
| We're going to talk more about the timing on this with Jeff Nyquist here in a second, Steve, but to you, the question that you keep wrestling with, and I think all of us do, an insight from this Guangdong video is an explanation for why these lockdowns are taking place. | ||
| They don't suggest it's to screw up our supply chains. | ||
| That's part of my theory. | ||
| And just to demonstrate power, particularly in a restive part of China politically. | ||
| They suggest that it's to put the Before we go to break, I want to go back to Thayer just for one minute. | ||
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You said they, in all of Chinese, they've always focused on strategic advantage. | |
| I've heard this from many, many Chinese. | ||
| So they actually said this. | ||
| Before we go to break, I want to go back to Thayer just for one minute. | ||
| You said they, in all of Chinese and they've always focused on strategic advantage and they feel they have it today. | ||
| When you have to go, you've got strategic advantage as the intellectual construct. | ||
| If I've got to look at the two or three bullet points underneath that in their mind, what do they think it is? | ||
| A United States which is at sixes and sevens against itself, right? | ||
| That we have internal unrest and ideological upheaval in the United States. | ||
| Secondly, an administration which is feckless and when it attempts to Put together, China policy becomes a dog's breakfast of a speech, as we witnessed this week from Secretary of State Blinken. | ||
| And then thirdly, they're looking at our alliances and the degree to which our allies are confident of American power and willingness to defend them and to have a robust extended deterrent. | ||
| So, all of those elements are very important for the external environment feeding into strategic advantage. | ||
| Equally, they see internally that they have, as Frank observed, I think a very important point, that they have a population that is becoming inured to these types of sacrifices, and the time is propitious for them to act in the near term. | ||
| And certainly in this decade, to confront and defeat the United States for its dominant position in international politics. | ||
| And that includes, most immediately, controlling Taiwan. | ||
| Whether they're inured or whether they are now having no choice, thanks to the social credit system, is an interesting question. | ||
| The people. | ||
| The enforcement, the mechanisms. | ||
| I've got to tell you. | ||
| They're shutting and locking down Shanghai is breathtaking in its overall ability. | ||
| That's a city of 35 million people, 30 million people. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| And they did not have a lot of outbursts. | ||
| You saw some videos of people, hey, if you're going to lock it down, they locked it down. | ||
| Pretty stunning. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| Jeff Nyquist is going to join us on the other side. | ||
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Okay, thank you. | |
| It's Memorial Day weekend and normally we do something that kind of we make it a two-part series to do for our commemoration of the war dead. | ||
| We do a Memorial Day, but there's so many urgent issues geopolitically and with our national security that today we're totally focused on. | ||
| Is the Chinese Communist Party, are they pivoting, doing a hard pivot to go on war footing? | ||
| Right, and that would be about Taiwan. | ||
| We're going to have Captain Fennell and Steve Byram on the second hour to go through actually the details of the renowned historic 7th Fleet in the Navy. | ||
| Are they up to the task? | ||
| Captain Fennell was on the show about two months ago and kind of shocked everybody because he's, I think, probably the resident expert that people look to. | ||
| And he says, hey, I don't think the 7th Fleet's Can do it, right? | ||
| I think we're living off a historic capital that's not there today. | ||
| And, by the way, it came out this week, the littoral ships, after three years and all that money, they're thinking of scrapping the ships. | ||
| Also, a report came out on the submarine that hit the uncharted thing, and the shocking thing about it, I was a service warfare officer, the nuclear navy was always the crème de la crème. | ||
| No, my surface work buddies get upset when I say that. | ||
| And the report itself on the ship handling and the command structure was just as shocking as the two incidents we had in the Sea of Japan in the South China Sea, which is no seamanship, no command, no... | ||
| The day-to-day operations of the United States Navy are quite shocking for people who have had the honor of serving in the Pacific Fleet and serving in the Seventh Fleet, which was always the tip of the spear and the elite of the elite, and to see that today in this report with the submariners is just... I'm gobsmacked. | ||
| So I hope they're not running the reactors. | ||
| You know, Admiral Rickover would be rolling over his grave. | ||
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| Okay, I want to go to Jeff Nyquist, a very renowned writer, wrote a book on the origins of the Fourth World War, also writes over the Epoch Times and World Net Daily, so many great sites. | ||
| Jeff, you've had quite a week. | ||
| I think I've gotten blown up. | ||
| I'm not sure Nyquist actually said this. | ||
| So Jeff, tell us about the timing. | ||
| You're the expert on actually how this all happens in Guangzhou. | ||
| ships come with ICBM they said I said I don't know if I said I don't have time to listen to the podcast all these podcasts I'm not sure Nyquist actually said this so Jeff tell us about the timing you're the expert on actually how this all happens and Guanger this thing on the 14th is it serious is it Is it as serious as we think it is? | ||
| I'm not saying it's a hoax. | ||
| Are they putting out disinformation to us, sir? | ||
| It's too boring to be disinformation. | ||
| It's a 56-minute meeting with high-level communist and military officials in Guangdong. | ||
| It's just too dull. | ||
| But there are these little bits in it, like the fact that they're mobilizing. | ||
| They're following an order from the Communist Party Central Committee. | ||
| To transition from normal to war and they're calling it this the final war. | ||
| They expect sanctions to hit China. | ||
| They discuss what appears to be strategic even nuclear counterattacks on their province that they want to prepare for social unrest. | ||
| They discuss preparing an enormous fleet for transporting troops tanks airplanes retrofitting Roro ships, you know, this is they're talking about almost a thousand ships. | ||
| And then they talk about mobilizing Chinese assets overseas. | ||
| They talk about 260, 270 tasks under 23 different categories. | ||
| And the discussion itself, very realistic. | ||
| And people who've listened to this, this is the way Communist Party meetings are conducted in China. | ||
| This is the way men of this age sound. | ||
| This is the party and military Buzzwords that they use. | ||
| It looks authentic. | ||
| Jeff, two quick questions. | ||
| One, in the course of the webinar yesterday, and again people can find it at presentdangerchina.org, a fascinating show, you made two points. | ||
| One, the imminence of this war, point one and point two, I think you said that that quantity of sea lift was roughly comparable to what we were thinking of having to use to invade Japan. | ||
| During the Second World War? | ||
| Well, it's even more in the case of vehicles, in the case of military vehicles. | ||
| I mean, 64 10,000 tonne Roro ships, you can do the math how many vehicles that is. | ||
| Taiwan's an island. | ||
| The other point is that Guangdong is not even part of the eastern... Yeah. | ||
| Guangdong is not even part of the Eastern Theater Command. | ||
| It's part of the Southern Theater Command. | ||
| The Eastern Theater Command is the one opposite Taiwan that would be in charge of attacking the Taiwan direction. | ||
| Although they speak about the Taiwan direction and decisive battle, this is one province and this Southern Theater Command preparing almost a thousand vessels. | ||
| What are they doing in Eastern Command? | ||
| And the sea lift capacity of China is just extraordinary, the fact that they're mobilizing this in one province. | ||
| And we're told by the Chinese sources they're doing it in all the provinces. | ||
| One thing I've heard, and I think you can get enough open source to cover me here, but one of the things I've always heard about their overall battle plan, their strategic plan for Taiwan, post-conquest, they intend to ship essentially half the population. | ||
| They're going to ship half the population into mainland China and kind of like the Uyghurs to a certain degree get people's minds right, right over there and make them productive. | ||
| They're then going to ship that not the 100 percent of that was the time we got 20 million people roughly. | ||
| So it's half the population will go over and I think they've actually predetermined who goes and who I think the tech workers stay and they're going to ship over more tech workers. | ||
| So they have a lot of plans for seal of capacity. | ||
| I just want to make sure we clear something up because I think there was some confusion this week because here's the thing. | ||
| People are now getting very interested in this. | ||
| And I think the reason is that we've been hammered enough that Ukraine is not central to the vital national security interests of the United States. | ||
| But this is. | ||
| And nobody can make out what went on in this. | ||
| Why do you lock down 400 million people into the fact of hammering your economy when he's got to run up to the 20th Party Congress, right? | ||
| This is when you want the economy hitting on all cylinders. | ||
| To do that, and I've heard very serious people, like Frank, and part of it is to show the kind of discipline and social order we're going to need when the balloon goes up. | ||
| And sacrifice. | ||
| And sacrifice, because the Americans are not going to, you know, this is going to expand beyond Taiwan quickly, and we have to be ready for that. | ||
| But Jeff, just the thing about capacity. | ||
| This thing of all these ships, the principal area is East Asia today, correct? | ||
| You wouldn't think that, you're not saying that, because there's stuff out there about invading Southern California or all that. | ||
| No. | ||
| The focus of this, the focus of this will be East Asia and the eastern part of China and the South China Sea and Taiwan. | ||
| I think the thing is, I'm personally skeptical that they are going to actually, they may invade Taiwan, but you look at, you know, an Operation Olympic, you look at the defenses of Taiwan, that is an appalling, that would be an appalling invasion, and extremely risky. | ||
| When you could just, if you control the sea, why not just blockade Taiwan? | ||
| Why not just take it? | ||
| But what got me into trouble here was that I quote from a speech by the Chinese Defense Minister, General Xiao Chen, that he made about 20 years ago that leaked out, Epoch Times translated and published it. | ||
| And he ended the speech with a comment on Taiwan, and if I could read it, it's just a couple lines. | ||
| He said, as long as we resolve the United States problem at one blow, our domestic problems will all be readily solved. | ||
| Therefore, our military battle preparation appears to aim at Taiwan, but in fact is aimed at the United States, and the preparation is far beyond the scope of attacking aircraft carriers and satellites. | ||
| But this makes total sense. | ||
| Let me bring Bradley Thayer in for a moment. | ||
| This is what I say, that people, look, we look the other way on Hong Kong, and I kept saying at the time, that's equivalent to Czechoslovakia in 1938, that if we don't stand there, right, if you don't stand up for five million hard-working capitalist Chinese, most of whom, a lot of whom are either Protestant or Catholic, right, that's a hill we've got to die on. | ||
| When you look the other way there, it's just going to roll. | ||
| Even if you're totally amoral, if you don't put any moral things in here about our defense of Taiwan, democracy, all that, Bradley Thayer, but you just look at the economic reality. | ||
| It is Silicon Valley West. | ||
| We've had every opportunity to move all that ship design to the United States. | ||
| Now you've got people building plants in Arizona and in Texas, but those are going to take ten years to get ready, to be up to speed, right? | ||
| You can start, but to be up to provision. | ||
| A blow on Taiwan It would cripple the American economy, would it not, Bradley Thayer? | ||
| It would. | ||
| Our military, our ability to defend ourselves, essentially every aspect of our economy, as well as the economy of the West, would be negatively affected by it. | ||
| It would be very dramatic and it would be very damaging, which is what makes it enticing, of course, to Xi Jinping. | ||
| and the recognition that this is his strategic advantage. | ||
| This is a window that he has to hurt us through Taiwan on that economic front, to say nothing of the other elements he would have by controlling Taiwan, either through coercive measures, as Jeff identified, as Jeff Nyquist identified quite appropriately, or through an invasion. | ||
| It would also damage our alliances. | ||
| And it would be, in many respects, Taiwan is a keystone in our network in the Indo-Pacific. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Let me stop you there, because this is—having been— Trump's wingman on NATO, while I was there, to try to get him to pay the 2%. | ||
| Do we essentially have... I mean, they call it the Quad. | ||
| We've got the Japanese. | ||
| They still haven't changed the Constitution. | ||
| You've got the South Koreans. | ||
| Sometimes they're in, sometimes they're out. | ||
| You've got the best guys. | ||
| The guys who want to fight along with us are the Vietnamese, but they're not really stood up. | ||
| Philippines, who knows, day-to-day. | ||
| The Australians, no offense, they're the best allies we've ever had, but you've got there, you've got some woke politicians. | ||
| You've got a number of people. | ||
| India, which should be the centerpiece of the Indo-Pacific strategy, got Modi playing footsie with everybody. | ||
| The reason is they can't, this administration on Russia, now he's not exporting. | ||
| They're looking at India first and they're going to play both sides against the middle because they have to. | ||
| They can't trust the West. | ||
| When you say alliance, I think people, and McMaster's these guys lulled themselves to sleep. | ||
| This is not, if you think NATO is just a collection of staffs hanging out in Brussels at a two billion dollar building, Bradley Thayer, do we actually have an alliance that can fight the ship? | ||
| Do we have an alliance that you can pull together and combine arms, you know, with a navy that can work together on anything serious when the balloon goes up and you're smelling cordite? | ||
| Is that real or is this just all some fantasy, sir? | ||
| Absolutely, we have alliances. | ||
| We have the Japanese, who are, have formidable conventional capabilities, are a half a step away from having nuclear capabilities. | ||
| The South Koreans, as you noted, maybe are not ideal, but you've got to remember your Voltaire, right? | ||
| The perfect is the enemy of the good enough. | ||
| And we have a lot of good enough allies in the area. | ||
| If they have leadership, Steve, it's going to take, America's going to be the alliance manager. | ||
| It's going to take American leadership to not only to essentially continue to develop the Quad, But to ensure that it holds together. | ||
| With Joe Biden's trip, does Tony Blinken's speech the other day, after the Biden trip, if I'm in South Korea, if I'm in Japan, does that give me comfort that I've got leaders? | ||
| Or is somebody trying to cut deals and accommodate? | ||
| I got Nyquist that's got skeptical about is they're going to roll in Taiwan. | ||
| I got Brian Kennedy. | ||
| We've got the whole blanket thing. | ||
| I got Frank Gaffney. | ||
| We're rolling here in the War Room. | ||
| The question is, is the CCP rolling on Taiwan? | ||
| Is kinetic war? | ||
| Has it finally come? | ||
| Are they taking war footing? | ||
| And are we on the path to a new Pearl Harbor? | ||
| All next in the War Room. | ||
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What defines the American spirit? | |
| Preserving life, liberty, and pursuing happiness. | ||
| Caring for the nation we call home, and its people. | ||
| As patriots, it's our duty to drive the entrepreneurial spirit. | ||
| Pushing hard, reaching for success. | ||
| Sharing patriotism. | ||
| Because the American way of life is for all to live. | ||
| The flagship where freedom reigns. | ||
| Bradley Thayer, welcome back to The Worm. | ||
| This is our special. | ||
| Bradley Thayer, any closing thoughts you want to... By the way, your discussion of a decision... Was it Wollsteller? | ||
| Rebecca. | ||
| Rebecca. | ||
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| Man, what a strategic couple that is. | ||
| Power couple. | ||
| Geostrategic. | ||
| We're going to have you back next week to talk about that. | ||
| That's actually the perfect book people should be reading for this time, about the signals that are sent, the information, who's looking the other way on purpose, and who just doesn't get it. | ||
| Everything has been going on here. | ||
| Closing thoughts. | ||
| We're going to turn in the next hour to the practicality of the Navy defending this. | ||
| Thayer, you're the geostrategist. | ||
| What say you about where are we? | ||
| Well, we're laboring under the fog of peace, Steve. | ||
| We still think that it's 1992 and it's a world where the United States is unchallenged. | ||
| And that still governs our assumptions about international politics. | ||
| It governs what we expect in international politics, and it's a very different world. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party has been at war with us since 1949, and it's time that we acted like it, and that includes preparing for surprise moves like against Taiwan or against Japan or India or other countries. | ||
| You know, you talk about the fog of peace. | ||
| Well, that would be hit to drag us in. | ||
| You talk about the fog of peace. | ||
| One thing I don't think this country understands, you know, Korea ends in a tie against the Chinese Communist Party, right, the CCP. | ||
| Vietnam, long dragged out, but people could have looked the other way, well, that was political, we could have won it. | ||
| Iraq and Afghanistan, oh, well, we did take Baghdad, we were just there too long, and Afghanistan, oh, it was just at the end. | ||
| We have not, never had a hammer blow defeat. | ||
| People gotta understand, we could have, with this leadership, the national security apparatus, which I think is atrophied, do not think we could not have a hammer blow defeat. | ||
| Things that like hit Athens, things that hit Rome, you could have a hammer blow defeat of which this country would never recover. | ||
| And I'm not so sure, outside of certain elements of the society, that we have the societal resilience to take a hammer blow defeat. | ||
| This is something very, very, very dangerous. | ||
| We've never had that. | ||
| Because we've always been able to justify, and I think we've had a string of defeats, and because such a small part of the population is in the military, we've been able to kind of spin it or whatever. | ||
| These guys, there's not going to be Afghanistan or Iraq or Vietnam or Korea. | ||
| This is the big leagues. | ||
| This is the main event. | ||
| As Captain Finnell says, keep the main thing the main thing. | ||
| Brian Kennedy, closing thoughts, observations, sir? | ||
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Well, Steve, coloring all of this, and this has been a great conversation, but coloring all this is the fact that the United States does not have a national missile defense. | |
| And communist China has very advanced nuclear weapons. | ||
| And as far back as 1995, a Chinese official told U.S. | ||
| Ambassador Chas Freeman not to interfere with U.S.-Taiwan relations, excuse me, PRC-Taiwan relations, because the United States cares more about Los Angeles than it does Taipei, which many people at the time took as an overt nuclear threat. | ||
| Meaning again, the Chinese have advanced nuclear weapons. | ||
| If they decided it was a national priority to reunify with Taiwan, and the United States got in the way, would the PRC use nuclear weapons against the United States? | ||
| And what does that imply for us? | ||
| The mere fact that over all those years, we didn't build a national missile defense to make sure we were defended from either Russian Or Chinese nuclear ballistic missiles is a sign that America during that period lacked a certain moral seriousness. | ||
| This was something that the Trump administration was trying to fix with the Space Force. | ||
| But we see with the Biden administration today, it's lack of interest in making sure that we're actually defended. | ||
| Because it would be good for us to be actually defended if we actually had to then go and defend Taiwan too. | ||
| Jeff Nyquist, Brian just brings up our susceptibility to nuclear attack. | ||
| I know you're one of the experts on biological warfare and their offensive biological warfare capabilities, which they're not supposed to have according to the treaties they've signed. | ||
| What say you, sir? | ||
| Well, look at COVID-19. | ||
| It came out of China. | ||
| Was it a biological warfare agent? | ||
| Did China go with it if it got out accidentally? | ||
| We have so many unanswered questions. | ||
| These questions should be answered, and they haven't been. | ||
| China prefers viruses. | ||
| Soviet Union liked anthrax and bubonic plague. | ||
| They did have smallpox in large quantities. | ||
| But these people like viruses. | ||
| It's more to their character. | ||
| Lucky for us, the human immune system is able to beat viruses. | ||
| But look at how it disrupted our society. | ||
| What if we get a hemorrhagic fever virus? | ||
| What if something worse comes along? | ||
| What have they got up their sleeve? | ||
| We're in a sequence now. | ||
| They're laying down cards. | ||
| They're laying down the mobilization card. | ||
| You know, two years after, more than two years after this COVID thing. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| I think there's, I think there is a sequence. | ||
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I think they're, they're doing something. | |
| I tell you what, hang on for one second. | ||
| I want to hold that for the next break. | ||
| Bradley, what is your social media and how do people get to your writings? | ||
| Because it's unbelievable. | ||
| Bradley Fair on Getter, Steve, is the best way to access them. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's fantastic. | ||
| Brian Kennedy, how do people get to you? | ||
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Brian T. Kennedy at Getter. | |
| Guys, thank you so much. | ||
| PresentDangerChina.org. | ||
| Presentations for all of it. | ||
| We'll put all these up in the platforms. | ||
| Jeff, I want to have you hang over because we've got a question. | ||
| Captain Finnell is going to join us next, who shocked, I think, a lot of the audience two months ago by saying he didn't think the 7th Fleet was up to it. | ||
| Also, Stephen Byron, who was the key of Brian pulling together the committee on present danger, this amazing, and this book. | ||
| Stopping a Taiwan invasion, which we're going to make sure we push out everywhere. | ||
| Okay, for security policy in that case. | ||
| Bradley Thayer, Brian Kennedy, thank you for taking time away in your Memorial Day weekend to really make sure that the posse, the war room audience, has a full understanding of this. | ||
| Really appreciate it, guys. | ||
| God bless you guys. | ||
| Okay, Jeff Nyquist is going to hang over. | ||
| We've got Frank Gaffney in the war room. |
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