May 25, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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| Okay, welcome We've had a slight technical problem, we apologize for that. | ||
| We're live, we're in the War Room. | ||
| It's War Room Battleground. | ||
| It is Tuesday, May 24th, year of our Lord 2022. | ||
| We were trying to go to live coverage of the situation in Texas, but we had a problem with the feed, so we're back to our regular show. | ||
| Boris Epstein, I've got Richard Barris, I've got John Gordon, I've got Jake Beckett. | ||
| Okay, Richard Barris. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Everybody take a deep breath. | ||
| We're going to get through this. | ||
| Hey, Richard, I was talking in the last hour about your model and about you were the first guys, L. Todd Wood and the guys at CD Media were good enough to come and actually back your play and putting out this poll when you first put it out in Georgia, which essentially said that this race Could come down, not that Purdue would beat him, but the key number is 50% to force a runoff. | ||
| You were the first one, then you had Towery come out of Insider Advantage at Fox 5, and then you had of course the guys over at Trafalgar who were terrific all come out. | ||
| All you guys were pretty close. | ||
| That was radically different. | ||
| than the polls that came out initially. | ||
| Now, clearly a big part of that is the John Fredrick's bus tour, War Room, our radio network down in Georgia, all that coming in hot. | ||
| But also, and I want to make sure people understand this from a professional's point of view, those initial polls are what I call in the business suppression polls, right? | ||
| That's psychological warfare to come out and basically to break the spirit of the opposition, to say there's no need to come out, it's a primary. | ||
| Okay, to walk people through that, because these are pretty respectable. | ||
| These are AJC and it was Fox News, right? | ||
| These are pretty respectable. | ||
| I think Fox News had him at 32, more than AJC was 27. | ||
| Yeah, I'd argue both of those are some of the worst polls in the business, Steve. | ||
| I mean, look, even when it's favorable to Republicans, look at You know, Yunkin, plus eight in the state of Virginia. | ||
| They're all over the place. | ||
| I mean, the bottom line is, I think when it comes down to it, the three of us that show this race is not a Kemp runaway race. | ||
| It was close. | ||
| Are also the only three to accurately predict the outcome of the Senate elections at the beginning of 2021 in that state. | ||
| So yeah, it is worth noting, you know, you're going out on a limb. | ||
| When you have Fox News at 60 and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution 58, 57. | ||
| When we started, Kemp was in the mid-50s. | ||
| By the time we came out of the field, by the time we pulled out, he was at 50.6. | ||
| So that 52 and change that we had him at was, you know, it was an aggregate of Everything we had collected over a few day period. | ||
| But in the beginning of May, it did look like, you know what, he's in the mid-fifties and he could pull away. | ||
| But that didn't happen. | ||
| More people told us they were going to vote. | ||
| That's number one. | ||
| And then people who did initially think they were going to back the incumbent pulled back and they gave Purdue another look. | ||
| Because initially too, Steve, there was this question of whether or not Purdue would be a strong candidate. | ||
| And I think over time, What you did see, even from some of those other pollsters, is that Purdue could beat Abrams as well. | ||
| It was never really a question of that, but that was, again, suppression and media narrative. | ||
| Hang on for one second, Rich. | ||
| I asked you to hold this. | ||
| I want to bring in John Gordon, who's actually running for the Attorney General. | ||
| John, I know you've got a lot going on tonight. | ||
| The big question we had was this massive early vote. | ||
| Did it just cannibalize the overall vote, and were you going to see much at the polls today? | ||
| What are your people telling you, John? | ||
| what is the turnout model for you guys look like tonight? | ||
| Okay, I don't have John Gordon. | ||
| Um, if you're... | ||
| Is Boris EU up? | ||
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Are we there? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| John Gordon. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Can you hear me? | ||
| Hey, how you doing? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| I hear you fine. | ||
| John, what is it? | ||
| Tell us about the turnout in Georgia today. | ||
| What are you hearing? | ||
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Well, the turnout is supposed to be epic, actually, and our thought is that 2020 really If there was a silver lining, it was a wake-up call for people, and they realize that democracy is not for free, that you have to go out and participate, and I don't think people are going to vote because they're happy. | |
| I think there are a lot of really upset people in Georgia, and perhaps over the whole nation, and we realize that we've got to fight for our freedom, and it starts by going and showing up at the polls, and I think that's what's happening. | ||
| So when you say that, when you say they're not happy, you've been around the state now running for Attorney General. | ||
| What are people telling you they're not happy about? | ||
| This is clearly, if it's as epic as it could possibly be by the time the polls close tonight, this is kind of your classic throw the bums out. | ||
| What are you hearing though from people when you go around the state? | ||
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The number one concern of people around Georgia is inflation. | |
| They're literally having to make choices between medicine, food, and gasoline. | ||
| And what a sad state of affairs. | ||
| President Trump left us with inflation at 2%. | ||
| We were energy independent. | ||
| Gasoline prices were at an all-time low. | ||
| And you see an illegitimate president, and this is exactly what you get. | ||
| We've got communists, socialists running the United States federal government, and it is now showing up As a failed practice, anywhere that the experiment has been conducted, we never thought that we'd see it conducted here, but we sure are. | ||
| Let's go to that phrase you just used, illegitimate. | ||
| I know the mainstream media, CNN and MSNBC, would be melting down right now. | ||
| Atlanta Journal-Constitution, hey, here's a guy running for Attorney General. | ||
| As you go around the state, let's leave John Gordon's feelings out. | ||
| As you go around the state, what did you hear from voters about 2020 and how important was getting to the bottom of 2020 and election integrity? | ||
| How important, how high on the list was it from citizens of the state of Georgia? | ||
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At the very top of the list. | |
| If inflation is one, election integrity is two. | ||
| And people have told me repeatedly that they had given up. | ||
| They had lost hope. | ||
| We took the message that we were going to investigate 2020 and expose the fraud and hold the people that did it accountable. | ||
| And that resonated with folks. | ||
| They just want to know that their vote counts. | ||
| They want to know that there's going to be a fair and honest election. | ||
| And they want transparency. | ||
| I just got an email a little while ago from a worker at the Fulton County Tabulating Center. | ||
| And they reported that the people that are counting the absentee ballots announced at four o'clock that they were too tired and they were not going to come back to work tomorrow. | ||
| They would resume on Friday. | ||
| That would be like people at Macy's saying they're too tired to work on Christmas Eve and they'll come back the day after. | ||
| I mean, where does that happen except in government? | ||
| Now, I don't know whether they stuck to their guns. | ||
| I also got a second message from someone saying that after both GOP and Democrats pitched a fit that they have reversed that decision. | ||
| The fact is, I'm not for sure. | ||
| But even the very thought that they would do that What makes you suspicious? | ||
| Is it here we go again or what's going on? | ||
| Hold it. | ||
| John, I knew you had to drag me back to the Fulton County Tabulation Center. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Where's Ruby Freedman when you need her? | ||
| Hopefully somebody's just trolling you. | ||
| We're not going to have that kind of problem because, no offense, Roethlisberger's on the ticket. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I know you're running with Purdue. | ||
| The endorsed candidates are Purdue, Jody Heiss, and John Gordon. | ||
| John, one last thing. | ||
| What are you looking for tonight? | ||
| Make us smart about how we should be looking at Georgia through the eyes of John Gordon. | ||
| When polls close tonight, what is John Gordon going to be looking for? | ||
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You know, I've never been so conflicted in my life. | |
| If you take the anecdotal evidence in the field, we're going to win by a landslide. | ||
| If you look at the polls, we're maybe 50-50 on a best-case scenario. | ||
| Or if you believe the liberal media, then it's over and done, and it's the Kemp ticket. | ||
| So we'll just have to wait and see. | ||
| Uh, don't feel comfortable making a prediction. | ||
| Either way, I feel very good about our race. | ||
| Uh, if we don't get across the finish line, I know we gave it our best, and I know that we've inspired people to come out and make a difference, but I feel optimistic about our opportunity here. | ||
| I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll get it across the line. | ||
| It's just battling that incumbent, that eye at the end of Your opponent's name that it gives you some concern, but we've we've actually brought it to him. | ||
| We've given it our best, and so I've got to put my faith in the people of Georgia to make the right decision for us. | ||
| John, how do people follow your campaign tonight? | ||
| What's your Twitter feed getter all of it? | ||
| How they get to you on social media? | ||
| Follow you. | ||
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No, but was there. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Thank you, John Gordon for AG is our Twitter feed. | ||
| And then our website www.jg4ag.com and our social media is listed there as well. | ||
| Tell your comms director we thank him for the solid assist right there. | ||
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So John Gordon, thank you very much down in Georgia. | |
| Thank you so much, sir. | ||
| We're going to go to Arkansas with Jake Beckett for a second, but I've got to bring in Boris. | ||
| Boris, oh my God, they talked about the Fulton County Tabulation Center. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| This is like a Kafkaesque nightmare. | ||
| I like the Fulton County guys. | ||
| Hey, we took so much grief from you guys last time. | ||
| We did 2,000 meals this, we're knocking off at four, and we're coming back on Thursday. | ||
| No, not Thursday, Friday. | ||
| Friday. | ||
| Friday. | ||
| That can't be. | ||
| They've got to be trolling somebody. | ||
| I've got to get double verification if that's true or not. | ||
| It's too good. | ||
| As we used to say at Breitbart, it's too good to check. | ||
| Let's print it. | ||
| Before I go to Jake in Arkansas, tell me what are you hearing out of Georgia about turnout today? | ||
| I'm hearing absolute heat. | ||
| I mean, you know, almost double the turnout that was expected. | ||
| And I think, you know, John Gordon is such a smart guy who's coming back from retirement to serve the people of Georgia. | ||
| As he put it, people aren't coming out because they're happy. | ||
| People are coming out because they're pissed. | ||
| Because Joe Biden, the illegitimate president and his cronies have sold this country down the river. | ||
| And they care more about getting $40 billion to Ukraine, send some guy to Korea. | ||
| They couldn't wait the extra couple of days for Biden to get back. | ||
| They needed to get inside and get those Ukrainians the $40 billion instead of securing our country. | ||
| It is disgusting. | ||
| It is despicable. | ||
| Steve, also, you know, first time I'm on the show today. | ||
| It's an honor, and of course, the terrible tragedy in Texas. | ||
| I do want to send my love and condolences and prayers. | ||
| It is absolutely horrific. | ||
| As a father, of course, my heart breaks for every single one of those families. | ||
| I will also tell you that I'm a strong believer in school safety, and I think school safety starts with having armed security. | ||
| So as I choose I choose schooling for my kid. | ||
| I'm always looking at that, making sure. | ||
| And I think we should have universal armed security at all our schools. | ||
| Because there's no question that this spate of school shootings that's been going on for the last 10, you know, 15, some, actually, back to Columbine, almost 30 years, has to be stopped. | ||
| And the only way to stop it is to keep our schools as secure as our airports. | ||
| Let's go to Arkansas. | ||
| I'm hearing good things out of Arkansas about turnout. | ||
| Let's go to Jake Beckett. | ||
| Jake, just tell us, what is the turnout? | ||
| What does turnout look like today in the great state of Arkansas, sir? | ||
| Well, you're right, Steve. | ||
| Turnout is huge, as we discussed last night. | ||
| The early vote turnout doubled the EV turnout for the last midterm back in 2018. | ||
| We're hearing great things about turnout today. | ||
| And just as Boris said, These people aren't turning out to vote because they're happy with the state of affairs in the country. | ||
| They're going to the polls because they want change. | ||
| And we're very optimistic. | ||
| We've been hearing good things. | ||
| I think our campaign got a lot of momentum here in the last couple of weeks on a couple of issues, on election integrity, you know, on the Ukraine foreign aid vote, where we successfully turned John Bozeman, a 20-year incumbent, into an America first vote on foreign aid. | ||
| So I think the people of Arkansas, they got a preview of what they can expect from the difference, the dynamic difference maker that I can be in the U.S. | ||
| Senate. | ||
| And I can tell you, Steve, I had our last event last night. | ||
| I mean, people are fired up. | ||
| The War Room Posse here in Arkansas is engaged, and we'll see what happens, and we're very excited. | ||
| Les, I want to make sure the audience understands, because we've spent so much time focused on Georgia, Arkansas is the same type of state. | ||
| You've got to get over 50% plus one vote to be able to win in the first round. | ||
| If you don't, you go to a runoff, and I think your campaign, and I think Morgan's campaign, has been playing the entire time to try to keep it under 50. | ||
| The media there, and the polling there, Did you feel you had the same issues ahead in Georgia, which almost felt like suppression polls, when the AJC and Fox News came out and said, you know, Kemp's either 27 points ahead or above. | ||
| It was like 62-28, I think, on the Fox poll. | ||
| Did you have the same situation in Arkansas? | ||
| Well, it's kind of interesting, Steve. | ||
| Our race, our Senate primary, was only publicly polled one time, and it had Bozeman in the mid-40s. | ||
| which is terrible, and still accounting for the same dynamics that you're seeing in Georgia that your previous guests have talked about. | ||
| I don't think this one public poll had captured, I mean, obviously it wasn't capturing this record turnout. | ||
| I mean, people who aren't likely primary voters, the people who pollsters always capture, three out of four, four out of four, people who always go to vote. | ||
| The people who are voting right now in Arkansas are people who are very upset with the status quo. | ||
| And we don't think those people have been captured in John Bozeman's already terrible poll numbers. | ||
| So if we keep him under 50, and I come in second, I'm going to a top-2 runoff, and that's why he's throwing the kitchen sink at my campaign. | ||
| They've spent $10 million running non-stop attack ads. | ||
| They've got like four or five super PACs running non-stop hits on me here in Arkansas because they know If this thing goes to a runoff between me and Jon Boseman, where he'll be forced to debate, where he'll be forced to actually campaign, and the voters of Arkansas will actually get to see a one-on-one, you know, just a strong dichotomy there between he and I, they're gonna choose me. | ||
| He knows that. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| The people of Arkansas know that. | ||
| And I think, you know, tonight we'll get some good news and go to this runoff, which will be on June 21st. | ||
| Jake, how do people follow you on social media throughout the evening? | ||
| What's your handle and what's the campaign's handle? | ||
| Yeah, we're on all social media. | ||
| JakeBeckett91. | ||
| The website is jakebeckett.com. | ||
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J-A-K-E-B-E-Q-U-E-T-T-E. | |
| We're on all social media. | ||
| Come check us out. | ||
| Polls close here in Arkansas at 7.30 p.m. | ||
| Central Time. | ||
| So if you haven't voted, get out there and go. | ||
| Obviously in Pennsylvania, I mean, this thing is still being recounted and there's lawsuits. | ||
| I mean, every single vote matters. | ||
| So if you're in Arkansas, get out there and vote. | ||
| You've still got two hours to make your voice heard. | ||
| I want to talk to all the War Impostors. | ||
| What Jake said is absolutely correct. | ||
| I mean, I had the chairman of the McCormick campaign. | ||
| They're going to fight in every courthouse, and they say this thing could come down to a couple of hundred votes. | ||
| That's of a million four, I think, that were voted. | ||
| It could come down to a couple of hundred votes, and $42 million, $42 to $45 million were spent. | ||
| Your vote matters. | ||
| If you're in Arkansas right now, you can hear the sound of my voice. | ||
| Get out right now. | ||
| Take as many people as you can that are registered and get out to vote. | ||
| Jake, thank you very much. | ||
| Honored to have you on here. | ||
| Look forward to checking in with you later this evening. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Richard Barris, I want to go back to Jake Beckett, and Boris will tell you a rule of thumb for operatives and strategists like Boris is that under 50% for an incumbent is never a good sign, right? | ||
| But talk to me about right now, because what we're hearing is turnout in Arkansas. | ||
| We're hearing turnout in Georgia. | ||
| Polling is both an art and a science. | ||
| Walk us through that because you, you know, El Todd Wood and the guys at CD Media supported you on this poll. | ||
| You just had Trafalgar come out the other day. | ||
| You had Towery at Insider Advantage over there at Fox 5. | ||
| You guys are pretty diametrically opposed to what happened. | ||
| Was that all momentum as the bus tour started, as the war room started to get focused, as people started, as President Trump came and really got engaged in that? | ||
| Was the collapse of Kemp And we're not making any predictions here, but clearly there's been some movement from him in the 60s. | ||
| I think Fox aimed at 62% down to the mid to maybe lower 50s. | ||
| What's the art and science of this, sir? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, even myself, Steve. | ||
| I mean, four weeks ago, I would have told you Kemp was running away with this. | ||
| But at the end of the day, you know, everyone has a different way they decide who's going to come out and vote. | ||
| And that's the art part of it. | ||
| There is a science, you know, with randomization, but what makes a good pollster is somebody who knows who is going to turn out. | ||
| Otherwise, your numbers are just going to be garbage. | ||
| They're not going to mean anything. | ||
| You may know how certain groups want to vote, but if you don't know what chair of the electorate they're going to be, you have no idea how much to wait them when you go to actually, you know, report your results. | ||
| So, I think what we all saw, and I think I even called John Fredericks and said, aren't you in Georgia? | ||
| Tell me what's going on there, because there's so much movement in three days. | ||
| Something had to have happened. | ||
| And I even looked into ad buys to see if somebody just went up on the air to answer the attacks from Brian Kemp. | ||
| Or even just the ads. | ||
| I mean, he had some positive ads he was running too. | ||
| And I basically told people, I'm conservative, I just disagree with Donald Trump a little bit on this election stuff. | ||
| That was his strategy. | ||
| But something broke through after a while. | ||
| So, you know, I imagine, depending on who you call, different people will take credit for that, right? | ||
| But something happened. | ||
| And we could see him falling. | ||
| And, you know, if the election was a couple of weeks ago, then I think this thing would have been called a lot earlier. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| We are here today. | ||
| And I'll tell you this. | ||
| There is something to say about the era of inevitability. | ||
| And a lot of people in early May told us they were going to vote for Brian Kemp because he was the only one who could beat Stacey Abrams and they couldn't stand her. | ||
| After a while, that opinion, that belief, started to disintegrate. | ||
| And once that happened, it was a problem for Brian Kemp. | ||
| That was his number one argument. | ||
| That's a huge point. | ||
| That's a huge point. | ||
| Hang on right there, Richard. | ||
| I understand we're burning up the clock with you, but you're so brilliant. | ||
| This reminds me, too, of the team we had on election night in 2020 on 3 November. | ||
| It was Barris, Bill McGinley, myself. | ||
| It was a good time. | ||
| Freezing cold out there, but you did a fabulous job. | ||
| You called it, every one of them. | ||
| Boris, to Barris', what was it in early May that caused, at least to make this now, it seems like it's competitive. | ||
| At one time, four weeks ago, even Barris will tell you, it was a blowout. | ||
| What was the dynamic? | ||
| Was it Trump's engagement? | ||
| Was it MAGA getting focused? | ||
| Was all of a sudden people realized, well, hang on, is Brian Kemp really the only person that can beat Stacey Abrams? | ||
| Did the 3 November issue people really say, we've got to get to the bottom of this? | ||
| Tell me what your thoughts are, what converged to at least make this feels like as we're on Tuesday from everything we're hearing from the field, the massive turn at early voting. | ||
| Plus today, this thing seems a lot more competitive than when the AJC came out with their 27 point lead just a couple of weeks ago. | ||
| Well, Steve, what's interesting is that the movie 2,000 Mules premiered at Mar-a-Lago on May 4, 2022. | ||
| So, if you look at the timing of early May, the premiere of the movie and the movie becoming major news and household news all across the country, but specifically because it's focused on Georgia, in Georgia, It does look to be a turning point there. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Two, we've seen in every state, in Ohio, in Pennsylvania, every state, Texas, the Trump voters, those who are following the endorsement, and there's a huge number of them, they come out late and they outperform polling. | ||
| So, you're seeing a combination of these factors. | ||
| Of course, we can't predict what's going to happen tonight. | ||
| But all the energy, all the energy seems to be going against Brian Kemp and with getting this thing into a runoff. | ||
| And in the runoff, David Perdue has got to be favored because if the incumbent can't get past 50, and this is what happened to Perdue last time, right? | ||
| He got in a runoff and then ended up losing to Ossoff because he couldn't get past 50 in that runoff. | ||
| And here in the runoff, you've got to favor David Perdue if he gets there. | ||
| So I believe it's a combination of 3 November and the Trump MAGA energy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, of course, the war in Boston. | ||
| By the way, the 2,000 mules, the Frederick's rolling caravan, all the mini rallies they had, these small rallies around the state, of course, the war room thrown in here, the convergence of forces. | ||
| Richard, can I just keep you for a few moments and take a short commercial break? | ||
| We're going to get Richard Burris and some closing comments from him. | ||
| Then Boris and I are going to look at the other states and what's happening in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania. | ||
| Jim Schultz came on today, former White House member, the White House Counsel's Office. | ||
| He's chairman of the McCormick campaign. | ||
| Throwing down hard, kind of sound like Mark Elias. | ||
| I know Boris will have some ideas, concepts, and opinions about that. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| You're in Battleground. | ||
| We got all our problems worked out. | ||
| out we're going to be back in just a moment. | ||
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War Room Battlegrounds with Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Hello, and welcome to War Room Battlegrounds. | ||
| Welcome to War Room Battlegrounds. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| I got Richard Barris and I got Boris, two pros. | ||
| And Boris, I want to spend a second with Richard here. | ||
| Richard, I just want to... They're saying now there should be 1.2 million voters in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. | ||
| I think it's gonna be close to 1.4 million voters. | ||
| The 1.2 in Georgia, that's much higher than the... I think the forecast was something under a million, right? | ||
| In the 800,000 plus, 900,000 for a primary. | ||
| And that's why I kept saying, when the early vote was happening, they were so big, we'd have Debbie Dooley on every day, and she'd have her little whiteboard. | ||
| The question was, is that just cannibalizing the whole vote? | ||
| The Republicans finally get focused and say, hey, you don't like mail-in ballots, you don't like early voting, but it actually happened. | ||
| But now today, when they said 1.2, that's, I don't know, it's going to be, could be 35% higher than it was. | ||
| That can't be good news for Kemp because normally that's an angry throw the bums out, an anti-incumbent vote that motivates people to come. | ||
| What's your assessment of the size of the electorate in Georgia today and the intensity of it? | ||
| Yeah, this tells me that it's a lot closer to what we projected at Big Down Poll for CD. | ||
| It's a lot closer. | ||
| The Fox Poll, Steve, really was in line with the mainstream thought, which was that the vast majority would vote early. | ||
| And that would be, you know, the bulk of the electorate. | ||
| Maybe you'd get another 300 and change on election day. | ||
| So, if we're looking at one point, and you can see that right in the Fox poll, by the way. | ||
| So, the big number for Kemp, he got the 60 because he was winning that early vote overwhelmingly, and they had a very small portion of the vote being election day for David Perdue, or better for David Perdue, keeping, you know, that had Kemp below 50. | ||
| That's the difference between what you asked me before about how you poll and how you model. | ||
| They modeled incorrectly here. | ||
| I mean, there's no doubt about it. | ||
| They modeled incorrect. | ||
| If it turns out to be 1.2 million, they were way off, which, you know, by all indications, even the Secretary of State is saying that it's above a million. | ||
| So if that's the case, then Fox was way off. | ||
| They were off by almost, it could be upwards of three, four hundred thousand votes. | ||
| That's a massive polling miss. | ||
| I mean, that's the making of a massive Massive polling miss. | ||
| And we saw that, you know, when it came to 2020, by the way. | ||
| The same thing. | ||
| Everybody thought the best foot forward was the early vote and that the Election Day vote would not be in places like Florida, North Carolina, Ohio. | ||
| I mean, that's how you come up with a Biden plus one in Ohio, Steve. | ||
| I mean, it really is. | ||
| It's all the difference in the world. | ||
| How do you, tonight when the polls close, when you start looking at Georgia, Arkansas, these other places, what are you going to be looking for? | ||
| Let's start in Georgia first. | ||
| Give me, through Richard Barris's eyes, what should the audience be looking for? | ||
| So, you know, and I can even give people some counties here. | ||
| When we were polling north of the Atlanta suburbs, the northern region of the state was weak for Kemp and he was below 50 there. | ||
| But how close are some of those more populous counties above Cobb, the Atlanta metro area, like Bartow and Cherokee? | ||
| If Kemp is below 50, how far is he below 50 there? | ||
| And then the other part of the state was Southern Georgia, where he was very weak. | ||
| From Lowndes all the way east to just up against the Savannah area. | ||
| If he doesn't do well enough, if Kemp doesn't do well enough, in the more affluent suburbs that not just includes those metro areas, but pushes out into the suburbs of neighboring counties, he's gonna have some problems. | ||
| It really is that simple. | ||
| And going from there, this is ironic, Steve, because this is how he beat Stacey Abrams in 2018. | ||
| And yet now, fast forward four years, and he's weak here. | ||
| This is the problem for me. | ||
| Wow, the irony. | ||
| Tonight, how do people follow you? | ||
| How do people follow you, Richard? | ||
| How do they get social media, the site? | ||
| Just tell us what you're going to do, because people, you're beloved by the War Room Posse. | ||
| Yeah, I will be on John Frederick's. | ||
| I'll be popping in and out of the John Frederick Show, but of course, on Twitter, at People's Underscore Pundit, the Twitter killer, getter, at People's Pundit, and always the best way is on Locals, peoplespundit.locals.com. | ||
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We'll be putting out some more of that national poll, by the way. | |
| By the way, you didn't have time, but I want to have you back on tomorrow. | ||
| Your national poll is unbelievable, and I've got to tell you, it's huge. | ||
| If you could have more bad news, but this shows you, I think now, structural changes in the electorate. | ||
| Your polling is very important tomorrow. | ||
| By the way, I want to thank CD Media and the guys there for the CD Media Big Data Poll. | ||
| You guys are starting to really, you've branded that, and it's really taking off. | ||
| So I'll reach out to you tonight. | ||
| We'd love to have you on your national poll. | ||
| Thank you very much, Richard. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Sounds good, Steve. | ||
| All the best. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Boris, tell me what... Before I get to... I want to go to Pennsylvania. | ||
| I want to talk to you about some other things. | ||
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I got some thoughts on Pennsylvania. | |
| As we said in the movie, The Wild Bunch, stay classy. | ||
| Talk to me about... | ||
| Talk to me about Georgia. | ||
| Talk to me about what you're going to be looking for tonight as the polls close. | ||
| Turnout. | ||
| It's all about turnout. | ||
| And I am an absolute buyer of the theory that turnout is bad for Kemp. | ||
| Because in a midterm election, if you're the incumbent, you're hoping for low turnout because you don't want to throw the bums out energy, right? | ||
| What's coming up right now is a statement. | ||
| From the people of Georgia. | ||
| Now, we'll see what happens in the next couple hours, we'll obviously know the results here, but you've got to look at turnout, you've got to look at not just the rural area, but the exurbs, as they call them, the areas around Atlanta, the areas around Savannah, and we will see, I think, relatively early where this thing is headed. | ||
| I could see a situation where not only does Kenton not get to 50, but it's actually not as close to 50 as a lot of folks in the establishment expect and hope for. | ||
| I will tell you, based on just the numbers, you know, when Pence went down there yesterday, he only got barely a couple hundred people, and that's more than John Frederick's bus tour has been getting every single day, pretty much every single stop. | ||
| So, the enthusiasm, is very, has been hurting for Kemp. I actually think it was a terrible idea to bring out all these establishment figures, Pence, Christie, Ricketts, Ducey from Arizona. I mean, that's just a stick in the eye of the voters who may have been even on the fence a little bit. Think, well, you know, maybe Kemp was only wrong on the election, but Kemp went with the rhino narrative. | ||
| And I think that's going to end up hurting him. And if he does end up below 50, I think it's going to hurt him. And that's going to be a big part of the reason why. And I think it's going to very much harder going into the general a month from now. | ||
| Hang on, I want to stick with this for a second because one of Trump's, remember Trump's not a politician, but I've never seen anybody that could, what we call, read a room, right? | ||
| Trump's got a, like in golf, I keep telling people, who said about Trump's golf game, I said he's a field player, you can tell that. | ||
| He's not a guy that's gone through a lot of instruction, he's a field player. | ||
| Same way in politics, he's a field player. | ||
| He feels his way around, I mean he's got strong convictions, but he's a, same way in business, he's a field player and he can read a room. | ||
| You brought up a point no one's brought up yet. | ||
| The tin ear. | ||
| I mean for us, I'm sitting here in the war room going... That's why I do what I do, Steve. | ||
| That's why I come in the war room. | ||
| I brought up the May 4th 2000 mules. | ||
| I bet nobody's brought up that. | ||
| May 4th, that was good. | ||
| That was good. | ||
| That was good. | ||
| I could tell from the audience reaction every day that we started saying the day after Nebraska, and let's be blunt, if Herbster didn't have those last second problems and get crushed by the Ricketts machine, he would have gotten through, and Trump would have pulled him through. | ||
| I mean, some of the stuff that came out kind of is what it is, but the day after, when Ricketts announced they're going down with Christie, Ricketts, and Ducey, And you can't light up the war room posse or the Trump movement in Georgia to bring Doug Ducey with Kemp, you know, two guys. | ||
| I think people just because in there you had, you know, Republican legislatures with a Republican establishment that are Republican executive branch that should have at least gotten to the bottom or not have to have a film like, you know, 2000 Mules with Catherine Engelbrecht's great work and Dinesh D'Souza and the entire team. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I could tell right there that that's what started to change. | ||
| And here's what they didn't get. | ||
| The Bushes, Karl Rove, you know, the RGA, the Republican establishment, they think they're going to go down and blow Trump and the MAGA group out of the water. | ||
| Well, hey, Georgia is MAGA country. | ||
| In fact, there's sections up there in the Fighting 14th up there that's ultra MAGA country. | ||
| So the 10-year that they had, and not just there, when they're going down, and they think They can play the mainstream media. | ||
| The mainstream media, Washington Post, makes such a big deal. | ||
| Well, they never actually mention Trump. | ||
| They never mention his name. | ||
| No. | ||
| Everything they got, every dog whistle they've got, is about Trump. | ||
| And people are not stupid. | ||
| They still think we live in an era of three broadcast networks, where the Atlanta Journal-Constitution is like these papers in these southern towns can control what people think. | ||
| Or the local news can control what people think, or CBS, NBC, and ABC. | ||
| We're so far beyond that. | ||
| There's so much access to information. | ||
| And one of the things we talk about, you and I talk about in the team here, in the war we put it on, is that there's so many sites we're pulling stuff from, we got to stay ahead of the audience. | ||
| I mean, we're trying to Packages have been presented so people can make their own judgments, but they're so inundated with other great sites that have tremendous have tremendous Information about people are not just smart They're totally informed and that's where if you get this if you get down and just to give you the same old crap And that's what it was just to go down and have these writer. | ||
| I like who would think that It was a good idea to bring Chris Christie to everything Chris Christie said about the president. Who would think Doug Ducey? Doug Ducey hasn't done anything on the border. | ||
| And on on 3 November, he's terrible. Rick is not that well known, but the president, but those two alone. And to know that you had Bush and then to bring Mike Pence, if you had to bring somebody in the eve of it, that remind you of the jammer in and people embarrass this poll about the overall tenor of people are people are beyond angry now. I mean, I mean, they're really seething with anger. | ||
| and even some, you know, working class Democrats, that all comes down to what Mike Pence did. | ||
| Why would you do that, Boris? | ||
| Who at the great establishment thought it was great ideas to bring, go full in on establishment with Christie and Pence and Ducey against Donald J. Trump and MAGA? | ||
| No, and you've seen it all across the country. | ||
| It's one thing to say, okay, I'm, you know, I disagree with President Trump here and there, but I'm, you know, I'm for the president, I'm for America first, I'm for MAGA. | ||
| It's another thing to be Brian Kemp and be a rhino, okay? | ||
| He's alright on some stuff, sure, but on the issues that matter, when it came, when the push came to shove, Brian Kemp turned that election over to Stacey Abrams. | ||
| He got bullied into it, he was scared into it, and he turned it over, okay? | ||
| He is a weak-kneed, typical country club Republican individual, okay? | ||
| So, that's another. | ||
| And then, to say, you know what, I'm a rhino, but you know what, I'm gonna double down and I'm really gonna spit in the face of the MAGA base and bring Christie, Ricketts, Doocy, and then top it all off with Mike Pence, just to make very clear that I'm a rhino. | ||
| Whoever thought that was a good idea, even if Kemp somehow gets through 50%, that individual should be fired and never have a job in politics ever, ever again, okay? | ||
| Because What's your job as a politician running for office? | ||
| It's to get more votes, numbnuts, okay? | ||
| And spitting in the eye, stabbing MAGA in the back and the front over and over and over again, then doing it again on the eve of your election is not the way to go. | ||
| And it just all added to this narrative and this energy push that's been against Brian Kemp and behind David Perdue. | ||
| I'm not gonna lie, it's pretty exciting to see. | ||
| It's pretty exciting to see because this is again, and I've got us to just take 10 more seconds here, and I want to thank the War Room posse, the War Room audience. | ||
| You, as always, as you've done on redistricting, as you've done on the border, as you've done on this- Nonsense $40 billion. | ||
| You have put your shoulder to the wheel in Georgia, and you have gotten this turnout to where it is, and it is only where it is because of the War Room Posse, the MAGA movement, and the leadership of President Donald J. Trump. | ||
| Without that, Brian Kitt would be running away with this thing instead of being worried, scared wherever he is right now. | ||
| I want to talk about the audience right now. | ||
| Remember, we're going to turn to Pennsylvania. | ||
| There are almost a million four votes, over $40 million spent. | ||
| It's going to come down to a couple of hundred votes. | ||
| Everybody in the audience in Arkansas, in Alabama, in Georgia that haven't voted yet, your vote counts more than ever. | ||
| Don't sit there and worry about billionaires. | ||
| Don't worry about oligarchs. | ||
| Your vote and the people around you's vote matters more. | ||
| In Arkansas, and here's the thing, this narrative every day that we're anti-democratic, anti-democratic, I keep saying we're going to give them a democracy suppository. | ||
| Well, I think it's starting in Georgia tonight. | ||
| If you get these kind of numbers, 1.2 million or above, those will just blow out numbers. | ||
| I got to go to Pennsylvania. | ||
| I had Jim Schultz, who has been my lawyer in the past on certain occasions, White House Counsel's Office, terrific guy, a total street fighter in both 16 and 20 on the election. | ||
| He's the chairman of McCormick. | ||
| He kind of came on And I tried to back him up with saying, hey, look, this kind of feels like Mark Elias tactics, right? | ||
| And I'm no fan of the GOP in Pennsylvania, and I'm no fan of a lot that the RNC does. | ||
| But I said the GOP in Pennsylvania has clearly come out on the other side of this. | ||
| So, Boris, we've got to stay classy here. | ||
| You fought in these trenches with elections. | ||
| They're talking about under a thousand votes. | ||
| They're supposed to have some law that the recount's supposed to happen by June 7th. | ||
| I'm not seeing it. | ||
| I think these guys, I think the McCormick guys are dug in and they're arguing, hey, just because it's not signed correctly, because it's not dated, if it's date time group, essentially, it's got to count. | ||
| What say you from the legal aspects and the process aspects of what's going on in Pennsylvania? | ||
| I think it's a major mistake. | ||
| By Dave McCormick and his campaign, and you know, Jim Schultz is a friend of mine also, and I respect Jim, and he's been a colleague, of course, at the White House and on the campaigns, full stop. | ||
| I do think that us taking, you know, us as Republicans, and ostensibly McCormick told us he was MAGA, right? | ||
| So supposing MAGA taking a page from Mark Elizander's book and trying to- Okay, but hang on, hang on. | ||
| I want you to- Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. | ||
| I want you to explain to people what the bid and the ask is here. | ||
| What actually the MAGA position is on ballots and what we argue in these elections. | ||
| So what's the position that we've taken before and what's the position that they're taking that's more to the Mark Elias side? | ||
| First of all, the MAGA position is we shouldn't have mail-in balloting outside a very, very, very small sliver of reasoning. | ||
| So no mail-in balloting at all outside of a small sliver of reasoning, okay? | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Two, on mail-in balloting, that mail-in ballot has got to be sent in. | ||
| By a specific date that's well ahead of election day, with a reason. | ||
| Okay, with a reason. | ||
| It's got to follow the state's procedure and process under Article 2 of the Constitution. | ||
| Only the state legislatures lay out that procedure and process. | ||
| So if a ballot does not conform with the procedure and process laid out by each state, Commonwealth, Pennsylvania in this case, then that ballot cannot count. | ||
| Dave McCormick's saying, oh, let it all count, okay? | ||
| And if you don't think They're not saying let it all count. | ||
| They do have certain terminology. | ||
| What are they saying? | ||
| If it's got the following, it should count. | ||
| They're not saying they're not saying they're not saying let it all count. They do have certain terminology What are they saying if it's got the following it should count. What is that? | ||
| But it's not actually dated it should count But again, that is not the way that the rules are laid out by the Pennsylvania State Legislature. | ||
| The rules are in place. | ||
| The requirements are in place. | ||
| And we have said time and time again on the show, and I'm proud to have said it in Arizona, in just hours after 3 November 2020, that all legal ballots should count. | ||
| By definition, you know, if your driver's license didn't have your date of birth, Or didn't have an expiration date, even, right? | ||
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| Same should apply to voting. | ||
| Same should apply to ballots. | ||
| And I am extremely disappointed by Dave McCormick and his team. | ||
| Again, and Mark Lye is celebrating. | ||
| He's celebrating on social media. | ||
| He said, hey, hey, look, they're using my tactics. | ||
| And again, here's what's gonna happen. | ||
| The next time, which is gonna be happening here, imminently, the Democrats try to steal an election, They're gonna say, well, look! | ||
| Dave McCormick, supposedly MAGA, he's saying it should count even if it's just timestamp, it doesn't have the date on it. | ||
| And that is why I think it's wrong. | ||
| And by the way, I think based on the legal votes, Dr. Oz is gonna pull this out and he's gonna win. | ||
| And McCormick here just, you know, and by the way, I'm not sure if it's Dave McCormick or it's someone else around him who's pushing him to do this, but it's a sad and frankly pathetic exercise to be using a Democrat tactic to try to somehow sneak into a race against Thunderman. | ||
| Right now, the key is about pivoting and turning to Fetterman. | ||
| Do you believe, as you see it now, that the 7 June date is going to be a hard date to announce a winner? | ||
| It should be a hard date. | ||
| Well, first of all, a winner is supposed to be announced before then. | ||
| I think a winner is supposed to be announced by close of business today. | ||
| And then they have a recount. | ||
| They've got to announce a winner before they have a recount. | ||
| So, again, we're about, what's MAG about? | ||
| We're about rules? | ||
| But hang on, but hang on, they can't get, this is what I keep saying, they can't get the original preliminary number until they get out of these courthouses. | ||
| I mean, they're fighting over it right now, and this is what I think for the people in Pennsylvania, this thing's got to get sorted by this November. | ||
| To me, this shows you Shapiro was not doing his job. | ||
| Right? | ||
| The Attorney General should have been on top of the Secretary of State, and so I think Mastroianna ought to be just hammering. | ||
| Joshua Burr is big talk in MSNBC every night doing interviews all over. | ||
| You should be doing your job. | ||
| Shouldn't be this kind of fiasco, which it is in Pennsylvania. | ||
| Shouldn't be a week after it. | ||
| Don't know who the winner is. | ||
| Boris, real quickly, give your social media tonight. | ||
| People want to follow you to find out what's going on in all these states. | ||
| I know you're going to have Inside Baseball. | ||
| Where do they go? | ||
| No doubt about it, Steve. | ||
| It's a big night politically. | ||
| Again, my heart, my love goes out to the people in Texas, all the victims and their families. | ||
| boriscp.com is the website, at boriscp on Getter, at boriscp on Twitter, at boris on Truth Social, boris underscore upside on Instagram. | ||
| Stay strong, God bless, and I'll see you tomorrow. | ||
| Okay, by the way, John, for when the John Frederick's Radio Network, John Frederick's going to have his show up. | ||
| The John Frederick's Radio Network is going to be covering this wall-to-wall coverage of Georgia, Arkansas, Alabama, and of course the updates on the runoff election in Texas. | ||
| We're going to be back tomorrow at 10 o'clock. | ||
| I'll be on Getter all night putting up information, etc. | ||
| Make sure you got the team. | ||
| You got Captain Bannon's going to be up there. | ||
| I'll be up there. | ||
| Boris is going to be up there. | ||
| Jason Miller. | ||
| So a lot of us going to be on getter all night putting up putting up our analysis and reports We'll see you tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. | ||
| It's got it this week is a big week. |
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