April 20, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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| Here at home, Eugene, the Department of Justice says it will appeal the court ruling that ended the CDC's transportation mask mandate if the CDC says the mandate still is necessary. | ||
| A new Politico Morning Consul poll found 59% of respondents backed the CDC when it extended that mask mandate, and nearly half say it's too early to end it, with only 16% saying now is the right time to make masks optional. | ||
| We should note This poll was conducted before a federal judge lifted the mandate this week. | ||
| So this morning, Eugene, where is the White House on this? | ||
| Yesterday, I know President Biden said, when asked if people should wear masks on planes, he said that's up to them. | ||
| And now we hear the Justice Department, though, is challenging this ruling by a federal judge in Florida. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Well, the president and the administration writ large is saying that they still recommend that people, if people want to, they should, right? | ||
| Because they have a lot of worries about this rise of this COVID variant. | ||
| And the polling that you just talked about, it shows that the American voters are kind of on their side. | ||
| The polling was taken before, so we'll probably get that answer again for next week for folks to see how people are feeling now. | ||
| But the view from the administration is that the CDC wanted a couple of weeks, that's why they put this extension in, to be able to see how the new variant was going to work its way through the United States and how bad it was going to get. | ||
| Okay, welcome Wednesday, 20 April, the Year of Our Lord 2022. | ||
| You're in the War Room. | ||
| We've got a lot to get to today, so we will get on with it. | ||
| I want to bring in Lesley Mnookian, the founder and president of Health Freedom Defense Fund that actually brought the suit in Florida that was ruled on by this brilliant young federal judge. | ||
| Leslie, we had you on the show last night. | ||
| In fact, even as we were speaking, it turns out that the Justice Department said that they're going to appeal this, but there's been some confusion. | ||
| Can you please help the audience understand where exactly are we in this entire thing right now? | ||
| What's the government's position? | ||
| And what's going to happen, to the best of your knowledge? | ||
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So yes, this came out last night, and I haven't gotten a chance to speak with the whole legal team about it. | |
| I thought that our lead attorney on this was going to be on. | ||
| But to me, what I've read and what I understand is that the DOJ is saying that they are going to appeal if the CDC decides that they need to appeal. | ||
| So it's not that it's an absolute appeal. | ||
| They're not saying that. | ||
| They're saying that it depends on what happens with CDC's policy. | ||
| And my question is, If there's an emergency that warrants masking or any other measure of American citizens, can we wait two weeks to decide that there's an emergency? | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It seems as though they're kind of having to try to have their cake and eat it, too, that they are trying to preserve government policy or government power for future use. | ||
| And so what they really are trying to evaluate is how far they're willing to go in order to defend CDC's power and authority. | ||
| To me, that's the real essence of the issue. | ||
| And Biden, I thought we were all told to follow the science, although the science does change as evidence comes out. | ||
| But Biden just went around, do what you want to do, what thou wilt. | ||
| So we're going to have you and your lawyer back here at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| I just want to make sure we teed up today that this is another example. | ||
| Chuck Todd said it yesterday, that this administration can get rolled. | ||
| Pretty easily. | ||
| And you were the David and Goliath that actually rolled them. | ||
| So we'll have to figure out where we go. | ||
| Why don't you hang on for a few minutes, and we're going to come back to you with your lawyer and get into more detail. | ||
| Again, Ben Harnwell in Rome. | ||
| I've got Rudy Giuliani, who would love to be in Rome, but is currently working to save our republic here in the United States. | ||
| Let's go to Ben first. | ||
| Leslie, we'll come back to you in a few minutes. | ||
| Here's the point. | ||
| Once again, the Biden administration conflicting. | ||
| You go to airports. | ||
| I heard LaGuardia was a nightmare. | ||
| People don't know if they should wear a mask, not wear a mask. | ||
| They take them off. | ||
| You saw all the videos. | ||
| We could play videos for hours of everybody ripping the mask off and flight attendants getting up there in tears saying it's all over, etc. | ||
| Of course, The Biden administration being what it is, this illegitimate regime, they run like a banana republic, right? | ||
| So nobody knows what's going on and nobody knows what's the direction of this. | ||
| Can I go to Rome? | ||
| We got Ben Harnwell. | ||
| Ben Harnwell in Rome. | ||
| Ben, tell us, you're in a very historic location today, sir. | ||
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Can you explain to people where we are? | |
| Morning, Steve. | ||
| Well, I'm on the Capitoline Hill here in Rome, which is just a little close to my normal spot. | ||
| Opposite what's colloquially known as the Wedding Cake. | ||
| This is the original Capitol Hill from where the Capitol Hill in DC takes its name. | ||
| The Latin is Mons Capitolanus, but today colloquially amongst Italians it's simply known as the Campidoglio. | ||
| And that behind me, therefore, is the original Capitol Hill. | ||
| And that's where I am. | ||
| And that statue in back of you, I think that's Marcus Aurelius, and people should have seen Gladiator. | ||
| He's the emperor that's fighting up the Germans, or the barbarians, and is killed in the first act by his nephew. | ||
| But that's the famous Marcus statue. | ||
| I was questioning the statue, I think it is, of Marcus Aurelius. | ||
| One of the most famous statues in all of Rome. | ||
| Okay, you're here today because of what we've been talking about. | ||
| This whole situation in Ukraine, and until you cut the money off to the Russians, until you really go to economic warfare, and the way to go to economic warfare, you remember, we went on offensive economic warfare. | ||
| We tried to take down their central bank. | ||
| We tried to destroy the ruble. | ||
| We swept all their reserves and all their central banks. | ||
| We really put, we weaponized the U.S. | ||
| and put ourselves at risk of being the prime reserve currency, which will have massive blowbacks on this country for generations to come. | ||
| It also didn't work. But the simple way to work is to force Western Europe to take their easy lifestyles, right, their comfortable lifestyles, that are all supported by, wait for it, very cheap Russian natural gas. | ||
| The whole structure of their economies, particularly Germany and Italy, just to put two random countries, are supported by that. | ||
| And I'm not picking on the German people or the Italian people. | ||
| But the reality is, if you want to have an outcome of this war, that's more than the nonsense you see on MSNBC all the time, and more Ukrainians being slaughtered. | ||
| The way you do it is cut off the regime in Moscow from cash. | ||
| The way you do that is stop buying their natural gas. | ||
| Now, after we talked about that, and we believe there was a piece in the Daily Telegraph that we have been talking about before in support of what they say, which is we should sanction Germany, right? | ||
| At the same time, we should sanction The oligarchs in Ukraine, the oligarchs in Ukraine should have all their wealth taken from them, and that should go back into paying for this war. | ||
| The American people have 800 million dollar arms shipment over there. | ||
| There's another one they're talking about, okay? | ||
| Instead of taking that money from our coffers that could go to St. | ||
| Louis or Detroit or all kind of things that happen here in the United States, or maybe even reduce our deficit, we got to strip all of the wealth of the oligarchs that stole it In Ukraine, it's the third most corrupt or fourth most corrupt country in the world. | ||
| It's more corrupt by the people that monitor that stuff than Russia. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So where is on Capitol Hill all the Zelensky fanboys? | ||
| And he's just a puppet of the oligarchs? | ||
| Sorry, I'm saying that, but that's the truth. | ||
| He's the puppet of the oligarchs. | ||
| It's the third or fourth most corrupt country in the world. | ||
| Where is their money? | ||
| Let's strip all this. | ||
| I'm saying, hey, strip the Russians too. | ||
| Strip the Russians to do whatever you want, however you get money out of this system so they can stop arming and stop killing people and get people to the negotiating table. | ||
| Now, as we said that, the Daily Telegraph said that, and it should be, you should sanction Germany, and I think throw in Italy there. | ||
| Until they stop buying the gas. | ||
| Something's come up. | ||
| Now the EU's thinking of a ban. | ||
| I saw this. | ||
| Is this actually something that's real? | ||
| Or is this more just a puff piece? | ||
| They're going to talk about it and nothing's going to happen. | ||
| I heard yesterday, they're talking about now at the EU in Brussels, a total Western European ban on Russian gas. | ||
| What's the truth of that, Ben Harnwell? | ||
| Well, good morning, Steve. | ||
| The truth is certainly, yes, that people are talking about this, but whether this is simply performative or whether it's expected to end in real results, we're going to wait and see. | ||
| Personally, I believe it's performative. | ||
| And here's what happened yesterday then. | ||
| So the French finance minister, Bruno Le Maire, said on French radio that an embargo on Russian oil at the European Union level was in the works, adding that French President Emmanuel Macron wants such a move and he added, this is the French Finance Minister, I hope that in the weeks to come we will convince our European partners to stop importing Russian oil. And a similar sounding emerged from the Latvian | ||
| Foreign Minister Edgar Rinkovic, who told a press conference on Wednesday that the European Union is indeed preparing new measures to prevent to Russia from evading sanctions imposed over the war in Ukraine. | ||
| So what the French finance minister means when he says that he hopes that we'll convince our European partners is that he's specifically talking about, as you correctly say, Germany in the first instance and Italy | ||
| In the second, Germany is by far and away the largest importer of Russian gas, Russian natural gas, taking about 57% of its domestic gas consumption from Russia. | ||
| So here's the thing, right? | ||
| For the French to get their way in the European Union, this will require unanimity, what's called unanimity, in the Council of Ministers. | ||
| Now, If I might just open a 20-second bracket here, because it's perfectly normal that perhaps a largely American audience won't necessarily know the inner workings of the European institutions here. | ||
| And that would be to be expected, because most Europeans don't understand it either. | ||
| But there are three basic branches of the European Union. | ||
| You have the European Parliament, which works on legislation, and those MPs are elected directly Across the regions of the European Union. | ||
| You have the European Commission, which is composed of basically permanent delegates sent on a one-by-one basis by the member states. | ||
| And you have the European Council, right, which is where unanimity would have to be decided. | ||
| And the European Council is comprised of the heads of government of the various member states. | ||
| So it seems to me to be inconceivable, and I would speculate that the French know this even as they're saying it, That Olaf Scholz, the German Chancellor, will ever commit suicide on the German economy, because that's what we're talking about here, by voting. | ||
| Not only will they vote, the other day they had the Minister come out over the weekend on the Sunday shows and saying, hey, we would have major social unrest. | ||
| The entire structure of the European economy It's predicated upon dirt cheap Russian gas. | ||
| We've given them alternatives. | ||
| Donald Trump gave them LNG alternatives, all these alternatives. | ||
| Even those were always going to be, I think, incrementally higher by the time you get in the United States, liquefy it, ship it to the ports in the Baltic, unload it and get it out to Europe. | ||
| It's not as cheap as the good old cheap gas coming from You're being conned by CNN, you're being conned by the cheerleaders on Fox, conned by the fanboys for Zelensky. | ||
| to pay for it in rubles. | ||
| This is, my point is, this thing's a whole, this is a con. | ||
| This is a con. | ||
| You're being conned by CNN, you're being conned by the cheerleaders on Fox, you're being conned by the fanboys for Zelensky, this is a con. | ||
| If we want to stop Ukraine from looking like a current day Dresden, okay, there's a way to do that. | ||
| First, it's like, get all the cards on the table and stop a damn thing like this. | ||
| This is about power, and geopolitical and country power, okay, and territory, and money, and natural resources. | ||
| Number one, if you want to stop the Russians from continuing to shell, you must choke them down on money. | ||
| The first way to do that, and it's not our fight, it's nothing in the vital national security interest of the United States over there. | ||
| And the vital national security interests of our country is on the southern border. | ||
| They're trying to get you and distract you away from that. | ||
| Step number one, Europeans must ban, in total, any importing of Russian gas. | ||
| Number two, the oligarchs in Ukraine, the corrupt nature of Ukraine and all the money they've stolen, including a lot of American money, must be stripped from them and start paying for this before we pay for anything. | ||
| And number three, Joe Biden's got to import the War Powers Act. | ||
| He's got to come. | ||
| The Republicans have to force him to come before Congress. | ||
| They've not asked for a declaration of war, of which many of the Democrats are saying, let's get combat troops over there. | ||
| You had this crazy congressman, Republican congressman down in Florida talking about it. | ||
| Republican Congressman, he's got to come forward, at least through the War Powers Act, explain to the American people what the stakes are. | ||
| Make the case of what the vital national security interest of the United States is. | ||
| The reason nobody on Fox, or nobody on MSNBC, or CNN, or the New York Times, or the Biden regime want to do that, is they don't have an argument. | ||
| Ben Harnwell in the historic Capitol Hill in Rome. | ||
| Just hang on. | ||
| We're going to take a short break. | ||
| Rudy Giuliani, who I know wants to be with you, but is here defending our republic as America's greatest mayor and New York's greatest mayor ever. | ||
| Be back in a moment. | ||
| We're going to get Leslie and her lawyer back up. | ||
| We're going to go through the whole aspects. | ||
| We're going to make sure you understand if you're in a plane, do you wear a mask? | ||
| Not wear a mask? | ||
| You know, wear two masks? | ||
| All of it next in The War Room. | ||
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We will continue to wear masks on planes. | |
| That's up to them. | ||
| Are you going to repeal the ruling that the judge made striking down the mandate? | ||
| I haven't spoken to the CDC yet. Thank you. | ||
| Dazed and confused. | ||
| Welcome back to the War Room. | ||
| Breaking news. | ||
| As you know, the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, when you're filling your tank up with, I don't know, $6 gas, $6 gallon gasoline, or however expensive it is, it costs you $100 to fill it up. | ||
| Everybody out there and I particularly want a hispanic working class and african-american working class can hear the sound of my voice I want you to embrace this the strategic patrolling reserve that Biden's drawn down They're reporting that's actually going to that's being sent to Europe Let me get this right The Europeans are still buying the cheap Russian gas Germany is in Italy, but Germany's just continue to buy it They want to they're buying it. | ||
| They're underwriting The Russian oligarchs, the regime in Moscow in the war, they're underwriting it. | ||
| That's where they're getting their cash. | ||
| I think now they're even thinking about paying it for in rupees. | ||
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And your Strategic Petroleum Reserve. | |
| Remember, we bought that oil at, I don't know, $30 a barrel. | ||
| And we're going to be replenishing it at over $100 a barrel with your tax dollars. | ||
| Remember this deficit that continues to run, and don't think that's going to be free anymore, because it's not. | ||
| Interest rates are rising, are blowing up. | ||
| We're going to take all of the discretion, all the... You're going to have what used to be the discretion of spending, and that's just going to pay for the deficit. | ||
| They're taking all and sending it over to Europe. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| This is what we're doing. | ||
| So, in other words, and this is what Harlan said, even if they come off the Russian gas, they're getting bribed that you're going to underwrite it. | ||
| My whole point in this whole thing is you're being played for a sucker, the American people. | ||
| A sucker. | ||
| You're a sucker in this. | ||
| The third most corrupt country on the face of the earth is Ukraine, and where is MSNBC and Fox? | ||
| Where are the pictures of those oligarchs? | ||
| Where is their money? | ||
| Where is their yachts? | ||
| Where is their real estate in Chelsea? | ||
| Strip it all. | ||
| Today. | ||
| Strip it all. | ||
| And have them start paying for stuff. | ||
| Have them start paying before the American taxpayer pays. | ||
| All those Zelensky fanboys, he knows where all the cash is, how come he's not up there every day saying, hey, instead of saying, where's my planes, where's my arms, where's my Iron Dome, where is the no-fly zone, where's everything that's gonna get you into a shooting war with the Russians, why is he not marching, perp-walking these oligarchs that stole all the money that went in there, in the third or fourth most corrupt country in the world? | ||
| And look at the world's map, that's saying something, ain't it? | ||
| Where's that? | ||
| Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| You know that this is not my line of country, right? | ||
| I specifically stay away from all of that for a specific reason. | ||
| You know this better than anybody from the beginning. | ||
| Where's the oligarchs money and why have we not stripped the Ukrainian oligarchs? | ||
| Most of the oligarch money is laundered off seas. | ||
| Prosecutors in Ukraine pretty much have a feel for about three quarters of it, including where Biden's money is. | ||
| And I mean, there's a very, very clear one that he, I mean, Zelensky is quite aware of the $100 billion bribe to Poroshenko in order to drop the Burisma case. | ||
| That was the real purpose of the Hunter Biden bribe that has now come out, both in the hard drive and in I mean, there's unequivocal evidence, you know, that whole conversation about, I'll give you your billion unless you Yeah. | ||
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| I'm talking about the scale of all the... They're a country run by oligarchs, just like Russia's, you know, run by the KGB and the military with Putin, but he's got his buddies, the oligarchs, and he's skimming 10% or 20% or whatever it is with the oligarchs. | ||
| They're actually more powerful than the Ukraine. | ||
| And you say it's all offshore accounts. | ||
| Why is that not being, why are we not demanding, why are Republicans not standing up and demanding, instead of the American people shipping over $800 million this day and another $800 million this day, and the arms merchants are making all the 20% margins, profit margins, right? | ||
| Why are we not, the scale of their stealing from this country is pretty monumental. | ||
| Is that correct, Rudy? | ||
| Yeah, it's mutual, really. | ||
| We've stolen a lot from them. | ||
| The scale of illegal activity between Ukraine and the United States, starting at about 2014, the Obama administration, is way beyond anything I could estimate, except having been told by a Russian prosecutor, sorry, a Ukrainian prosecutor, that if the whole thing comes out, you're going to have big, big perp walks in Washington out of the Senate and House. | ||
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That's a quote. | |
| Would you say that this should have a special prosecutor assigned to it? | ||
| Oh my goodness! | ||
| If there ever was a justification for a special prosecutor, it's when the son of the president implicates the president directly in a crime of major proportions for 30 years, selling out the United States, and he does it in his own language, Under highly credible circumstances, with an enormous number of paper backup, that over 30 years, he was required to give his father half the money they took in. | ||
| So that describes the context of everything else we have. | ||
| Probably the largest bribery scheme in the history of the United States. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| They're on the FBI in the face for two and a half years. | ||
| And, you know, they're doing tax evasion. | ||
| When you say doing tax evasion, you mean the grand jury in Delaware? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think there's a real possibility they're trying to end this, you know, with a tax evasion and foreign agents registration case. | ||
| He can be very sorry and go on some kind of community service. | ||
| Now we end it and the Bidens get to keep the 31 million they got from China and the multiple millions they got from Russia. | ||
| The 14 million they got from Ukraine's most dishonest man? | ||
| You know, the problem with this is we have a president at this time who's so compromised by Ukraine, China, Russia, he has no room to act. | ||
| If he proposed going to get the money from the Ukraine oligarchs, some of that would be money of his, money that he shared with them. | ||
| This is my point. | ||
| The nation that gave the Clinton Global Initiative and the Clinton Foundation the most money is Ukraine. | ||
| The United States has been pumping money into this place forever. | ||
| This carcass of an economy, right? | ||
| Which is the worst performing economy in Europe. | ||
| Or one of the, one or two worst performing economies in Europe. | ||
| There's been, here's my point that the American people are being played for fools and suckers. | ||
| There's cash, this is the place of Washington, there's cash going everywhere. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And there's people that are lifting this cash out of, not just Russia, but Ukraine. | ||
| To the detriment of the, wait for it, Ukrainian people. | ||
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Right? | |
| Who have to live on the system. | ||
| And now the Ukrainian people are getting hammered every day, every day, by Russian artillery and armored units, armored units, right? | ||
| And the world sits there and the EU sits there and says, yeah, we can't do anything. | ||
| And the NATO says, well, we'd like to, but we're going to send you some small arms. | ||
| We'll send you some rockets and all that. | ||
| If it gets there, all the parts get there. | ||
| And the Ukrainian people, and Zelensky's coming on a guilt trip and everybody, hey, you promised us, you promised us. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| I see it. | ||
| I understand it. | ||
| But at the same time, the way to do this is maybe not go over to the Central Bank of Russia and try to have a regime change, which is what they tried to do, because that was an epic faceplant Biden regime. | ||
| But maybe you start with supposedly our allies are such a good organization. | ||
| MSNBC tells me every day that Joe Biden has done an extraordinary job, more than Winston Churchill and FDR, of uniting the allies in one united righteous cause. | ||
| And yet, On the economics of it, Germany and Italy and other citizens in Western Europe and led by the Greens, the Greens are underwriting all of Russia's military to do this. | ||
| At the same time, there's been plenty of cash going to Ukraine with all these weapons and everything like that. | ||
| It was all stolen! | ||
| It was all stolen. | ||
| Who tells us that? | ||
| The groups that monitor it. | ||
| And Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| And here's where it's stolen. | ||
| Not just the oligarchs and the guys at the Lens Cam. | ||
| He's supposed to be the reformed comedian, remember? | ||
| He's supposed to be the reformed president off of the TV show. | ||
| What Rudy's telling you is that certain American institutions have been stealing with both hands. | ||
| Led by the Clintons and of course the Biden crime syndicate. | ||
| It's now time to, and this is why Joe Biden won't come forward and make the case under the War Powers Act for why we're even involved in this thing. | ||
| Why are we even over there? | ||
| It's not in the vital national security of the United States. | ||
| It's not in the national security interest of the United States. | ||
| That would be towards your southern border, another place he won't go. | ||
| Joe Biden won't come forward because once he comes forward, all this, the scab's going to be ripped off and all of the unseemly pus of the Atlantis' apparatus that have been in there stealing from 2014 when they threw Putin's democratically elected government out. | ||
| So they, they, Putin, those guys were stealing with both hands. | ||
| So they threw those guys out in a, in a, in a coup, in a revolt. | ||
| Right? | ||
| The modern revolution, the color revolution. | ||
| So they got in there and could steal with both hands. | ||
| And Rudy Giuliani could sit there and go, you're chapter and verse. | ||
| You got the Biden account here and you got the Clinton account here. | ||
| Stealing with both hands. | ||
| Both hands. | ||
| And now we're supposed to sit there and send American boys and girls over. | ||
| You got this crazy congressman in Florida saying, yeah, it's time to send combat troops. | ||
| We gotta do it. | ||
| Zelensky's fanboying all over the place. | ||
| Hey, Zelensky, before you fanboy, and before anybody puts the pom- all the cli- the conservative thing, please put the pom-poms down for Zelensky and ask one thing. | ||
| Hey, go get the money from your oligarchs first. | ||
| Have your guys start paying for stuff. | ||
| Not in offshore accounts like we were saying. | ||
| Not with the big yachts off of Monaco. | ||
| Not with the great real estate in Belgravia and London's West End. | ||
| You're being played for suckers. | ||
| You're being played for fools. | ||
| And who's paying for it? | ||
| The women and children In Ukraine, we're being bombarded every day and now gonna be sex trafficked all over the world. | ||
| That's who's paying for it. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| America's Mayor, I'll get off my soapbox and give it to Rudy next. | ||
| In the War Room. | ||
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Spread the word all through Hong Kong. | |
| We will fight till they're all gone. | ||
| We rejoice when there's no more. | ||
| Let's take down the TT. | ||
| Willie, so you look at what's going on with the White House and they just, this has been botched. | ||
| I mean, you got Joe Biden saying, oh, do what you want to do. | ||
| And then you have the Justice Department coming out saying they're going to appeal this decision. | ||
| And so it just again, if they didn't appeal the decision, of course, It would, not only would it hurt this administration, it would hurt future administrations as far as being able to put laws in place, regulations in place. | ||
| But still, they let a single federal judge get ahead of them. | ||
| And now it's just, I think, despite the poll numbers, I think it's going to be politically unpopular to start that mask mandate back up unless we have a real surge in COVID cases. | ||
| It's hard once they're off to get them back on. | ||
| I think the White House thought they had until May 3rd when that mask mandate was extended for a couple of more weeks, and then in comes the federal judge in Florida. | ||
| Yeah, I think they finally got it right. | ||
| The polling they said in the first cut was redonkulous, okay? | ||
| You saw, you know, we had Leslie Mannequin on the on the show last night and she could have played an hour of, she could have played an hour of clips of people, of flight attendants. | ||
| And you know how tough flight attendants are? | ||
| Flight attendants tearing up when they're telling people you can take the mask off, people cheering. | ||
| I want to play one before I bring in Brent Hattaday, who's the lawyer, and Leslie Mannequin again from the Health Freedom Defense Fund. | ||
| Who are the geniuses in back of this lawsuit? | ||
| I want to play it one more time. | ||
| This is what the White House is really worried about right now, is this mantra, the Chuck Todd. | ||
| Chuck Todd is the biggest cheerleader for the administration back in morning, Mika. | ||
| Let's go ahead and play it. | ||
| If you got on a plane or a train, or really any form of public transportation today, you probably noticed a pretty big change. | ||
| Yesterday afternoon, a Trump-appointed federal judge in Florida struck down the administration's federal mask mandate for travelers. | ||
| Just days after the Center for Disease Control extended it through early May. | ||
| White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki called the ruling disappointing, but the White House has not yet appealed the ruling. | ||
| They claim it's something for the Department of Justice to look into. | ||
| Already the TSA, major airline carriers, Amtrak, Uber, Lyft, all others have dropped their mask requirements, essentially the second the White House decided not to appeal. | ||
| Folks, it's one thing for a Trump judge to strike down an order from the Biden White House, but it's an entirely different thing for the White House to let it happen without any legal pushback. | ||
| And it's not the first time recently that something hasn't gone the White House's way. | ||
| They don't fight back. | ||
| They don't defend their rationale. | ||
| They just give you the emoji shrug. | ||
| We saw it when the Supreme Court struck down their vaccine mandate for large employers. | ||
| We saw it when West Virginia's Joe Manchin essentially scrapped the President's entire domestic agenda in Congress. | ||
| We may even be seeing it with the ongoing intraparty fight on Title 42. | ||
| The Biden administration, with the full power and prestige of the presidency, with his party's power in Congress on the line this November, has repeatedly looked as if they're easy to roll. | ||
| Easy to roll. | ||
| Let's bring in, we've got Leslie from the Health Freedom Defense Fund and the lawyer on this case, Brant Hathaway. | ||
| Brant, where do we stand this morning, legally, about what's going on? | ||
| Because it looks like there's just mass confusion by the Biden administration, who I thought told me they were just going to follow the science. | ||
| Where do we stand in your mind, sir, since you're the tip of the tip of the spear on this? | ||
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Well, all I've heard from DOJ is what they published publicly in the media, which is that DOJ recommends appealing, but they're leaving it up to the CDC to decide Whether the mask order has to remain in place, which is kind of a strange way of handling it. | |
| They seem to be throwing CDC under the bus here for some reason. | ||
| So how do I interpret that in English? | ||
| If CDC, if they say CDC should handle it, I thought the judges ruled, because this is a blow, you know, our focus here is the deconstruction of the administrative state. | ||
| This is one of the most important rulings ever taking on the administrative state, right? | ||
| I thought the judges basically ruled that the CDC The judge's ruling basically broke down into three parts. | ||
| The first part of her ruling was that the CDC didn't have the statutory authority to do what it did. | ||
| simply so I can understand it. | ||
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Okay. Well, the judge, the judge's ruling basically broke down into three parts. | |
| The first part of her ruling was that the CDC didn't have the statutory authority to do what it did. | ||
| The second part of the ruling was that it failed to allow notice and comment as required by the Administrative Procedure Act and failed to show good cause why it didn't provide for notice and comment. | ||
| And third, is that the rule was arbitrary and capricious because the CDC failed to really reasonably explain why it was doing what it was doing and why it drew the lines the way it did. | ||
| For example, an exemption up to two years. | ||
| You know, what was the reason for that cutoff age? | ||
| Why was it not arbitrary? | ||
| And so, just reading the tea leaves, I think DOJ may be concerned about the first part. | ||
| They can always clean up the procedural problems, at least in theory. | ||
| But the first part about the statutory authority is what has to be giving the administration heartburn. | ||
| And I think that's the reason why DOJ recommends appealing. | ||
| But they're leaving it up to CDC to decide whether to appeal. | ||
| It's a rather strange situation. | ||
| It is strange. | ||
| The first part is the blow against the administrative state. | ||
| But, as importantly, is number three. | ||
| Arbitrary and capricious. | ||
| There's nothing the CDC can do. | ||
| There's no data that you've looked at. | ||
| There's no information that they can come back and make it any less arbitrary and capricious. | ||
| Do you think, sir? | ||
| Isn't that also a big hang-up that DOJ is going to have in any kind of appeals? | ||
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Well, it's, you know, in my opinion, yes, I think the science on this is very problematic for them. | |
| And I think it's very hard for them to show, and I don't think they can show, that masking people on airplanes or other transportation conveyances had any impact on interstate spread of the virus. | ||
| In fact, there was a study in Europe recently that showed that other travel restrictions, such as mandatory testing and quarantine, only delayed the peak of an Omicron wave by two to four days at the most. | ||
| And there's no doubt that you would find a similar outcome with masking. | ||
| And so they do have a problem there. | ||
| Now they could come back and try to be more thorough in their presentation on the administrative record, but one can only speculate as to what that might be or what it would look like. | ||
| Is there any doubt in your mind, Brant, that you win on appeal? | ||
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Well, you know, as lawyers, we're not allowed to guarantee results, right? | |
| It's sort of an ethical prohibition that's imposed upon us. | ||
| But I feel very confident about our chances on appeal. | ||
| I think the judge's ruling was very thorough and thoughtful, and she left open a couple of other avenues that we could raise on appeal that she did not address. | ||
| Leslie, tell us, you're the founder and the president, you're the driving force of this, and this is David versus Goliath, where David won with the first stone, right? | ||
| You've got a bunch of other stones in the sling, too. | ||
| Walk us through your strategy of going forward here. | ||
| Am I missing it? | ||
| Is this kind of confusing to you, too, about what the administration's trying to do here? | ||
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Well, very much so, because if there's an emergency, We shouldn't be waiting for CDC to decide that there's an emergency in a couple of weeks whenever they want to review their policy. | |
| If there's an emergency, then it should require immediate action. | ||
| And so it's a very peculiar statement that DOJ has issued because there seems to be no urgency to their statement or to their policy. | ||
| They're just going to wait and see what CDC decides to do. | ||
| And so I find that sort of confusing as a lay person. | ||
| On top of that, you have to bear in mind that CDC's own science published in May of 2020 showed that none of the measures that have been pushed on the American public in the last two years actually have any effect. | ||
| Literally negligible effect. | ||
| And I'm talking about sanitizing environments, frequent hand washing, and yes, masks. | ||
| Their own meta-analysis of 14 randomized controlled trials, which are the gold standard of studies, showed that there was negligible impact of any of these measures. | ||
| And yet their policies persist. | ||
| It just doesn't add up. | ||
| So I think from an American standpoint, most of us want to live in a country that is governed by the rule of law. | ||
| And when CDC can be Deciding a year after the crisis began that there's an emergency that warrants putting masks on people on airplanes, or in this case, now can wait another two weeks before they decide what to do or who knows how long it will be. | ||
| That doesn't sit well with the American public, I believe. | ||
| And I think it's confusing to people. | ||
| I think people are done with this. | ||
| And I think that this undermines CDC's credibility that they are sitting there waiting for some kind of new data or something, when the data keeps showing that it doesn't work, to make this decision. | ||
| And DOJ has kind of punted it. | ||
| So it's a very, very interesting situation in my view. | ||
| That's what we play the two different clips. | ||
| You know, in the first clip, I think Willie Geist was talking about the at least the current polling was at 59 percent. | ||
| And then and then, you know, Chuck Todd came out and said or in the second clip, we had Joe Scarborough saying no. | ||
| But, you know, as people really take the mask off, they're going to understand that polling is going to shift quickly. | ||
| And then you had Chuck Todd come out and saying, hey, the administration can get rolled. | ||
| This was kind of a hill they were going to die on. | ||
| They made a big deal about this. | ||
| I mean, when you filed the suit or anything like that, things could have changed. | ||
| As someone wants to deconstruct this fourth branch of government, the administrative state that's wildly out of control, and this reason Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are on the Supreme Court, it's important when Brant triages the reasons like the judge did. | ||
| Number one, about the About the the power real the true power of the administrative state to me in this situation The most important one is number three. | ||
| It's arbitrary and capricious and this you go back to the point that all the data all the science actually supports the Health Freedom Defense Fund in their lawsuit and now you have the administration and now they're jammed This is you've played this so perfectly They're caught They're caught and exposed. | ||
| They're exposed as feckless and hapless on their own agenda. | ||
| And it just signals the weakness to their own people. | ||
| And that's why I want all the people that are marginal Democrats to make sure... See, you're being led to slaughter here politically. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Because they're getting rolled every day because they don't know what they're doing. | ||
| But even deeper and more importantly, this is going to strip the mask off Fauci and FDA and CDC and all of it because you're David versus Goliath. | ||
| The big stone, I think, was it's arbitrary and capricious. | ||
| And you just guys kind of make stuff up. | ||
| And we've actually got, we actually talk about data and science and evidence. | ||
| We're evidence-based. | ||
| We're database. | ||
| We are what is known in the West as science-based. | ||
| And that's the power of your suit. | ||
| And this is why you've got them jammed up right now. | ||
| And they're jammed up. | ||
| They have a Hobson's Choice. | ||
| Go ahead, Leslie. | ||
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I just have to say, I mean, I read a story the other day about a college professor or a graduate student professor who asked his grad students, how many of you have trust in federal health agencies? | |
| And they laughed. | ||
| The student body, the whole classroom laughed. | ||
| They erupted in laughter. | ||
| In addition, all of the photos and videos that we're getting are showing that literally up to 98% of the people are unmasked on airplanes. | ||
| So the vast majority of Americans Are not buying the fear anymore. | ||
| They don't want to be subjugated by an unelected, unaccountable CDC, you know, a bunch of bureaucrats. | ||
| They have decided for themselves, they want to live and they've had enough of it. | ||
| And I think that if the administration keeps pursuing this policy, they're going to anger a lot of people as well as likely lose the lawsuit. | ||
| And I mentioned last night that the appellate, the 11th circuit appellate court already struck down CDC's mandate that Cruz People go on cruise lines that depart Florida, wear masks, and already struck, and the Supreme Court struck down the CDC's eviction moratorium, right? | ||
| Eviction order moratorium. | ||
| The precedent is not in the favor of the government on this. | ||
| It's in our favor, and I think this is going to be a quagmire for them if they continue. | ||
| Real quickly, how do people get to you and find out more about what you and Brandt have been up to? | ||
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Healthfreedomdefense.org is our Uh, website, and you can follow us there on social media. | |
| You know, you can link to social media, you can sign up for our newsletter, you can become a member, and you can donate there. | ||
| We are going to drive many people to go check it out. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| That's okay, Leslie. | ||
| Fabulous job. | ||
| Brant, thank you so much. | ||
| You two are real warriors. | ||
| David versus Goliath. | ||
| And David got him on the first stone. | ||
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| Rudy, where's our money? | ||
| Or where's the money from the world that's been stolen? | ||
| Where's the Ukrainian people's money? | ||
| It's been stolen by the oligarchs. | ||
| Look, we should strip all the oligarchs in Russia. | ||
| Strip them of everything. | ||
| But the Russian, the Ukrainian oligarchs, Rudy, you're the best at this. | ||
| Rudy, would you donate, would you volunteer to go help Zelensky get this money? | ||
| Damn right, I could help him. | ||
| I could help him find exactly the accounts he's looking for because his prosecutors stowed them to me with great frustration that they were blocked by Ukrainian government, but also our Treasury Department under Obama and Trump. | ||
| From getting at accounts, for example, some that related to money going to Joe Biden. | ||
| And I don't want to give the impression it's just Joe Biden. | ||
| It's a lot of people. | ||
| So if I was Zelensky, my advice to him would be call them all in. | ||
| There were only about eight of them that have the big money, maybe 10. | ||
| And say, look, I know where the money is. | ||
| I let a couple of you guys off. | ||
| I said I was going to go into this when I came in. | ||
| But now I have no choice, boys. | ||
| I need your money. | ||
| And here, here's the amount of money I want from you. | ||
| And just give them, just tell them, go get the money out. | ||
| You know, Akhmetov, you're the richest guy. | ||
| You're going to get the biggest penalty. | ||
| So get the money. | ||
| I need, I need, I need a billion from you. | ||
| He probably took out about five. | ||
| Or how about his own employer? | ||
| The guy who employed him when he was an actor is Kolomoisky. | ||
| Kolomoisky ran, ran the prime bank of Ukraine is the best, single best, laundering operation in the world. | ||
| Russians use it to launder their money. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| He walked out with $7 billion in his pocket. | ||
| The guy that employed the Bidens walked out with $5 billion in his pocket. | ||
| And it only cost him $100 million to fix the case. | ||
| He's got plenty of money to contribute. | ||
| Now, Zelensky knows all of this. | ||
| He was supposedly going to go after them, but that would have taken years. | ||
| Now you have a national emergency. | ||
| Save your country. | ||
| Believe it or not, some of these oligarchs, like the mafia guys, are patriotic. | ||
| I see Poroshenko, who was the biggest crook in Ukraine, stole everything that wasn't locked down. | ||
| He's in the streets with his machine gun. | ||
| He's 300 people, and he's shooting at the Russians, and they're shooting back at him. | ||
| So, this guy has some feeling for his country. | ||
| Maybe he can get some of that $100 million back. | ||
| Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, don't get all sentimental on me, man. | ||
| You're Rudy. | ||
| What do you mean, the patriotic? | ||
| He's out there shooting because he doesn't want to... Good God, man, come on. | ||
| He's out there shooting because as soon as the Russians get there, they're going to be stealing his money. | ||
| He's got a good game. | ||
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These oligarchs... | |
| Would they rather have Zelensky in the West and all this? | ||
| They can keep stealing. | ||
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Remember, they stole it under our watch. | |
| This is when the EU and NATO is playing footsie. | ||
| They stole it under our watch. | ||
| And some of our most famous politicians participated in taking them. | ||
| Every time I go after the Ukrainian prosecutors, when they tell me I can get money on this guy and that guy, and I say, that's terrible how your country works. | ||
| Oh, he said, well, this guy was the closest friend of Biden's. | ||
| This guy worked with Kerry. | ||
| Pelosi kid? | ||
| Oh, yeah, they were very friendly. | ||
| How about our friend Romney? | ||
| There may even be a chance there for Romney. | ||
| So, once again, Rudy, we've got a couple of minutes here. | ||
| You're recommending that Zelensky, either you or somebody like you, to go shake down the 10 top oligarchs. | ||
| And this is money stolen from the Ukrainian people. | ||
| Also stolen from the American people and people in Europe that have been giving money over there and giving money in arms and supporting this thing forever. | ||
| It's our money, too. | ||
| But principally, let's say it's the Ukrainian people's money. | ||
| It's stolen from them. | ||
| We lost him. | ||
| Yeah, we lost him. | ||
| Have you seen any effort of Zelensky when everybody's fanboying on this guy, any instance at all to go shake the oligarchs down and get the money back? | ||
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No, no. | |
| We lost him. | ||
| Oh, we lost Rudy? | ||
| Yeah, we lost him. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| I can go on a two-minute rant. | ||
| Do I have Frank Gaffney? | ||
| Maybe I can go on another rant. | ||
| We'll get Rudy. | ||
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Rudy's back. | |
| Rudy's back. | ||
| Rudy, are you there? | ||
| I'm here. | ||
| You paying your bills? | ||
| You paying your bills? | ||
| You got internet? | ||
| Maria, don't get too... I know she got upset when I said, Rudy, don't get sentimental on me, right? | ||
| She likes the sentimental Rudy. | ||
| She likes the sentimental Rudy. | ||
| Rudy, once again, before we punch, are you donating your time and energy to help Zelensky get the money from the oligarchs? | ||
| I am willing to do it. | ||
| I mean, they haven't asked, and I don't know if they want me around since I know where a lot of the bodies are buried, particularly their bodies, not just ours. | ||
| And I have a relationship with their prosecutors that gets the best out of them, meaning, you know, like every country, not everybody's corrupt. | ||
| You've got within that prosecutor's office a nice group of people who get outraged by this. | ||
| They've been after it for eight, ten years. | ||
| You can't imagine what they think of our president. | ||
| And if you think the people of Ukraine don't know that Biden is corrupt, every time we talk about corruption in Ukraine, they laugh at us. | ||
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Yep. | |
| They should. | ||
| Rudy, you've got the hottest radio show in New York. | ||
| You've got the best podcast. | ||
| How do people get to you on Getter? | ||
| How do we get ourselves? | ||
| It's the best way to get to me, and I am on Getter. | ||
| You can get me on Getter. | ||
| You can get my podcast on Getter. | ||
| You can get me at RudyGiulianiCS.com. | ||
| And there you can get everything, including all the things that are on Getter. | ||
| And we've got a podcast coming out. | ||
| We'll have you back on to talk about that. | ||
| We got a rising Giuliani on tomorrow. | ||
| Andrew, tell us about this Governor's race. | ||
| Rudy, Dr. Ryan, thank you. |
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