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April 15, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 1,786 - Peter Navarro Hosts: The Turning Tide For Hispanic Democratic VotersEpisode 1,786 - Peter Navarro Hosts: The Turning Tide For Hispanic Democratic Voters
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jack posobiec
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peter navarro
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alex gray
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mark finchem
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unidentified
Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
anthony fauci
We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't, and the worst happens.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
peter navarro
Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K. Bannon.
He will be with us in the afternoon.
This hour, it's packed, and I couldn't be more happy to talk to a number of political candidates who are really carrying the torch To take back to Congress in 2022.
This is absolutely critical, and what I want to do here in the studio... I'm sitting here, by the way, in the Real Meredith's Voice studio in West Palm Beach, Florida.
We're about a stone's throw From the boss's Mar-a-Lago place.
And my next guest, we go back, Alex Gray.
OK, Alex Gray.
Remember that, folks in Oklahoma.
Alex Gray running for Senate.
I met Alex back in 2016.
He's a he's a China hawk.
I called him the Mozart of foreign policy for his young and tender age.
But but he is wise beyond his years.
And we did great work together in the Trump War Room, Alex, and then you became my deputy for a little bit.
You did great work on restoring, I think the best thing we did, Alex, was the work we did on the defense industrial base, and working on that.
And then, like I say, you You took a lateral move over to be the Chief of Staff for one of my favorites in the administration.
This would be fourth time's a charm, the National Security Advisor Robert O'Brien.
So you have thrown your hat and boots in the ring in Oklahoma.
In my view, you're the Trump candidate, okay?
There's no question about that.
You are the Trump candidate.
You will be in the Senate, if you're able to get elected there, you'll be a solid Trump bulwark against the Mitch McConnells, the Ben Sasses, the Mitt Romneys, the Pat Toomeys, all of those woke rhino clowns, okay?
What we want to do here in the War Room is just help the people of Oklahoma understand what you stand for, why they should vote for you, and tell us a little bit about your meeting with the boss as well.
alex gray
Well, I was able, Peter, to have a few minutes with the boss and to make that case to him and to tell him, hey, look, I'm in national politics because of you, Mr. President.
I'm not one of these guys who've been running for office my whole life trying to get to the next step on the ladder.
I'm in politics because I believe in the America First agenda.
That's why you and I were in Trump Tower together.
That's why I was in the White House from day one until the last day.
That's why I'm in this race.
And I'm with the president on every issue of consequence for the American people.
My opponents stand with the leadership in the House.
They stand with the leadership in the Senate.
Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, up and down the line.
And I'm here for Donald Trump.
That's the difference.
peter navarro
So you have pledged not to vote for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker of the House?
unidentified
Oh, Mitch McConnell, yes, the Senate, of course, sorry.
peter navarro
So you pledged to vote for somebody else besides Mitch McConnell?
alex gray
Yeah, Peter, I can't imagine a scenario where I'm going to support someone who has not stood with President Trump, you know, and we don't have conservative leadership in the Senate right now.
You can count on one hand the number of conservative senators that we have, actual conservative senators.
peter navarro
It's truly remarkable, is it not?
I mean, you got Cotton, who else?
alex gray
Mike Lee, you've got Ted Cruz, Rand Paul.
That's about it.
peter navarro
You know what's interesting, though, to me, Alex, is even those guys, they're conservatives.
But they're not Trump conservatives.
I mean, on the trade issue particularly.
I mean, I remember fighting those guys when we were trying to do... So that's, for me, that's all the more reason to get a pure Trump Republican in the Senate.
What's the big issues there?
alex gray
Look, for us, it's energy, it's national security, it's going back to energy dominance, and we're understanding now that our energy insecurity is leading to our national security failures.
And Oklahomans understand that instinctively as an energy state.
So, look, we have candidates in this race who, their whole purpose is to serve the agenda of the leadership of the Republican Senate conference.
My whole purpose is to continue the stuff you and I worked on for President Trump for four years.
And that's why I'm taking this step and getting out there, whether it's energy, whether it's national security, whether it's spending, whether it's trade, it's the Trump agenda and giving a champion of that agenda in the United States Senate.
peter navarro
Amen.
Hey, Denver, let's play the Katie Arrington clip, if you can, and let's bring Katie into the conversation.
unidentified
Katie Arrington is a fighter for the people of South Carolina.
peter navarro
Katie Arrington, where are you?
unidentified
Come on up, come, come up.
I'm a Trump-endorsed America First candidate running for Congress.
I'm a wife.
I'm a mother.
I'm a grandmother of four.
I'm a servant leader.
But let's not forget those rhinos.
Let's not forget those who turncoats, right?
And you know who I'm talking about?
The Liz Cheney of the South!
other than Nancy Mace. She turned her back on President Trump and she turned her back on you.
God bless South Carolina, God bless you, and God bless the great United States of America.
I'm Katie Arrington and I approve this message.
So, so this is so cool.
peter navarro
It's like we got Alex Gray running for Senate in Oklahoma.
Now we got Katie Arrington here.
And I want to talk just briefly a little bit about Katie.
I met Katie in the middle of the worst part of the pandemic when I was the policy coordinator
Trying to get adequate PPE, personal protective equipment, ventilators, everything in between, trying to move things along, and I was like astonished at both HHS, Health and Human Services, and the Pentagon, how difficult it was to get stuff done, how difficult it was to get stuff made here, In the United States, and I'll tell you, there was one person who helped me, and that was Katie Arrington.
And now, I'm telling you, it's like she's got a tough race in South Carolina.
This is a critical seat.
It's a critical seat because the woman she's running against, Nancy Mace, He's a pure rhino, never Trumper, supported by Mick Mulvaney.
And I want to tell you folks in South Carolina, I've worked directly with Mick Mulvaney in the White House.
He never supported the key Trump policies, Buy American, Hire American.
He didn't support our trade policy.
And when the first chance he got after the boss gave him a nice little ambassadorship over in Northern Ireland, He dropped the boss like a stone, and now he's sold his soul for a big TV contract.
But that's the state of play.
So Katie, tell us, how's the race going, and what do you need from the war room posse?
unidentified
So the race, Peter, so number one, you two are both my heroes.
And for those of you watching and listening, What we did as a team during the pandemic, you look at the supply chain now, and you look at how it's being crushed.
But remember during the pandemic, you went to the grocery store, we had food, we had gas at the gas stations, we had the medical supplies, we got the ventilators.
Because this is a team of people, the Trump agenda, the America First agenda, we busted our hump to make it happen.
What's happening now, it's sad.
People like us know how to fix it, and we've got to get back to office.
The race is going incredibly well.
Nancy, though, is well-funded by the PACs and dark money, no doubt.
So I need all the help I can get from the war room fighters out there.
So my website is katieforsc.com.
Our filing numbers went out today.
I'm putting in a great deal of my own money to take out Mace because just like President Trump, I am not a politician.
I'm a servant leader.
I'm about leading and making sure that the America First, the Trump agenda is what we focus on, not on saving Nancy Mace-sponsored bills to legalize marijuana, to ensure baby pandas don't go back to China.
I want to make for the America First agenda, the Trump agenda, the priority of the nation.
Otherwise, you know, 2024 isn't going to matter if we don't bring in true Trump conservatives to the House and the Senate in 2022.
It's got to happen.
peter navarro
Katie, give us that website again for raising money.
unidentified
It's Katie.
F-O-R-S-D dot com.
Any dollar helps.
You know, down here in South Carolina, it's about $165,000 a week to be on TV.
It's a lot.
Yeah, that's a ton.
peter navarro
Look, fight the good fight, the day in the life.
Do you walk precincts or give speeches?
What's a campaign like for Congress in South Carolina?
unidentified
It is a lot of going to events, knocking on doors is probably where, you know, my ground game is strong.
I love connecting to the people.
And, you know, as I go out there, there's, I found on one hand, you know, five people that are supporting Nancy Mace and the big things that are focusing and why, you know, the war room fighters have got to help me.
is the number one thing is that she certified the election.
They can't get over that.
Then that speech on the floor where she said that Donald J.
Trump was responsible for January 6th and everything that our administration did, Peter, what we did, and Alex, for the nation, she said was desecrated by Donald J. Trump on January 6th.
And I take that.
It's a great homage.
And then the next thing that she did that really irritated this district, more so than anything, is that she voted to subpoena Steve Bannon.
You know, she voted.
She was one of two Republicans that voted to subpoena him over the January 6th.
And we can't forgive her for that.
So we need all the help we can get.
peter navarro
Did you hear that?
You gotta help Katie Arrington get rid of Nancy Mace and Mick Mulvaney in the process.
Wipe Mick Mulvaney politically from the face of South Carolina because we don't want that guy back as well.
Katie, you go ahead and fight the good fight.
We're going to let you go now.
But you have the war room posse at your back, war room posse.
Katie Arrington for Congress in South Carolina.
Katie is the Trump-endorsed candidate, hands down.
She will not support Kevin McCarthy for leadership.
We're going to take back that Congress in 2022.
Let's switch back to Mr. Gray.
Denver, if you have any Clips from Alex's stuff.
Go ahead and play them.
But otherwise, Alex, I'll give you the last word here.
We've got just a couple minutes.
Talk a little bit about the battle plan and stuff.
alex gray
Look, when I go out and I talk to local parties across all 77 counties, I talk about things that my opponents won't talk about, Peter.
I talk about the 2020 election.
I talk about what we did under President Trump that's so popular with the base, but the Washington elites don't want to talk about.
I talk about trade.
I talk about manufacturing.
I talk about energy.
I go through the whole litany of what you and I worked on for four years, and that's what the folks who are the backbone of our party, the Trump voters, That's what they care about.
And I talk about the leadership in the Senate that's failed our voters and our party for the whole Trump presidency.
My opponents won't do that.
My opponents will go to President Trump, and when they're in private, they talk about how great, how strong they are for Trump.
Very different when you and I were sitting in the White House, surrounded by the deep state.
I had to walk these guys out of the White House, some of these deep staters.
That's a huge difference between saying nice things about Trump when they're in private and talking about election fraud, talking about Mitch McConnell, talking about these things when it matters.
And that's what I do when I go around the state of Oklahoma.
peter navarro
Is there any evidence of Mitch McConnell trying to influence this race at all?
alex gray
No, no.
And, you know, I hope it stays that way.
My hope is that ultimately Mitch McConnell takes a more conservative path.
I don't think that's going to happen.
I hope he changes his leadership style.
I hope the whole Republican leadership in the Senate changes the way it's doing business.
But until they show some evidence of that, I'm going to continue standing with folks like Senator Mike Lee, who endorsed my campaign, who has a conservative vision, folks like Ted Cruz, folks like Graham Paul, who have conservative visions.
peter navarro
This is important.
We got 60 seconds here.
How can people volunteer and send you money for your campaign?
alex gray
AlexGrayForSenate.com.
Need all the help we can get.
My opponents have a lot of dark money.
They've got a lot of PAC money, lobbyist money.
Like Katie is in her race, I'm putting my own money into this campaign as well.
This is how strongly I believe in this effort.
peter navarro
And it's Alex Gray.
It's G-R-A-Y.
alex gray
G-R-A-Y-F-O-R-Senate.com.
peter navarro
All right.
So, Alex, we wish you the best of luck.
I want to say to the people of Oklahoma, this man, he's pure Trump.
He's pure Trump.
If you want a Trump senator, this is the guy.
And we desperately need this kind of voice in the U.S.
Senate.
We'll be back after the break.
Stay with us.
We've got a lot more hot stuff in this hour.
Take care.
unidentified
Let's go to Steve Kornacki who joins us at the big board with a look at politics, at Democrats trending in the wrong direction, especially with Hispanic voters.
mika brzezinski
As Axios points out, post-Democrats had hoped this might be a phenomenon specific to the Trump era, but new polling shows it accelerating, worrying party strategists about the top of the ticket in 2024.
unidentified
So Steve, what are you seeing in the numbers?
Yeah, Mika, look, it was a question that was raised by those 2020 election results where we saw significant movement away from the Democrats toward Republicans among Hispanic voters.
The immediate question is, is it still continuing in 2022?
The longer term question is 24 and beyond.
So let's take a look at the numbers to put this in some perspective.
Here's the trajectory of what it's looked like among Hispanic voters.
If you go back to Trump versus Clinton, In 2016, Hillary Clinton won among Hispanic voters by almost 40 points.
Trump got 28% of the Hispanic vote.
For Republicans in the Trump midterm, the 28 midterm, things got even worse.
This is the Hispanic vote in the 28 midterms.
The Democratic margin there swells to nearly 50 points.
Remember, Democrats did better among virtually every group in the 28 midterms than in the 2016 election.
But this is where the story then took a twist.
Between 18 and 20, between that midterm and Trump's re-election campaign, this is the shift we saw among Hispanic voters.
Look at that.
That 47-point midterm margin for Democrats came all the way down to 21 points.
Trump's share of the Hispanic vote nearly reaching 40 percent.
This is the Pew validated voter study.
This is sort of the gold standard post-election study.
And so the question that raised is, was that a one-time phenomenon or is it continuing?
So what we've done here is we've taken a look at all of the publicly available polling since March 1st on the generic ballot questions.
The question of, do you want to vote for the Democrats?
Do you want to vote for the Republicans in this year's midterm elections?
Here's what we're finding when we average together all of the Hispanic vote from those polls.
We're finding what looks like a continuation of that trend.
At least in the polling right now, the Democratic margin on average 16 points in the polling we've been seeing since March 1st.
So what has been driving this among Hispanic voters?
Well, one thing that we saw between 18 and 20, again, overall, you see this dramatic shift away from the Democrats.
It was particularly pronounced.
This is something we see with white voters, too.
We've talked about an education divide, Hispanic voters without a college degree.
This is what that demographic looked like in 2018.
Democrats won it by 44 points in the 2020 election.
Among Hispanic voters without a degree, Trump broke 40 percent.
The Biden margin was down to just 14 percent.
a 30 point swing right there.
That was the biggest shift you saw within the Hispanic vote.
There was that education divide, Hispanic voters, no degree.
In some ways, that mirrors a trend we've been seeing.
We talk so much about white voters with no degree, how they've been trending so strongly towards Republicans.
You see a trend in the Republican direction among Hispanic voters without degrees.
What does it mean for 2022?
Take a look here.
This is just the Hispanic population states with the largest Hispanic population.
Yeah.
peter navarro
Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K. Bannon.
It always kind of makes me laugh to watch some of these corporate media shows because it's like, OK, they finally wake up to the fact that Hispanic voters are moving to Trump.
And you go back to the reruns of The War Room like six months ago, nine months ago, a year ago.
That's all Steve was talking about, because it's obvious what's going on here with Hispanic voters, what's going on with black voters.
You remember the old Rainbow Coalition of the Democrats?
Well, that Rainbow Coalition is coming to the Trump Republican side.
unidentified
Why?
peter navarro
What do people care about?
They care about a decent wage and the dignity of work.
Let's start with that.
You got a decent job, a decent wage, and the dignity of work, and you're going to have a family, and you're going to have a good life, right?
The Democrats are systematically taking that away From the American people with every single decision they make every single day.
We've got the irony of ironies here politically.
The irony of ironies.
unidentified
A border war in Europe.
peter navarro
Is distracting the American media and to a large extent the American public from the biggest invasion on our southern border in our history.
And it hasn't even gotten to the worst part.
Yeah.
We talk about inflation, right?
The highest number since 1981, but we're in the first inning of the Biden inflation.
It's the same thing with the border crisis.
What we've already got is several million people since Biden came in come across that border, but it is going to get worse.
How does that affect Hispanic voters?
How does that affect black voters?
Well, if you bring in 3 or 4 million more people into this country who have less than an 8th grade education, many of whom don't speak English, and you stick them into the workforce, who do you think they're going to push out?
Lower income people.
Which is correlated with black and brown Americans.
That's just one reason, just one reason why Hispanics and black, particularly black males, are flocking to Trump.
That's just one reason.
Now, there's a bunch of other reasons.
I mean, let's go with the inflation, right?
The stagflation.
It's very clear to everybody in this country right now that Biden is mismanaging that.
Oh, it's Putin's fault!
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, I thought this was a joke.
peter navarro
OK, it's April, but April 1st is like weeks ago.
It's like I'm reading the paper and Jen Psaki's blaming climate change, right?
Climate change for stagflation and her supply chain problems.
Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
The best compliment I always give Jen Psaki is that she could lie.
She lies.
Far better than any of our four press secretaries could ever tell the truth in the Trump White House.
And off she goes with her lucrative contract.
Now, since we're talking about the border, I would be remiss if I did not bring in right now one of the great heroes In America, a man that I've known dating back to the days of the election steal in Arizona.
I've worked with him, and everybody in Arizona needs to help this man out, and everybody in this country needs to help him out.
I'm talking, of course, about Mark Fincham.
Mark Fincham is in the state legislature in Arizona right now, but he is running for one of the most critical offices we have in our land, which is Secretary of State.
Nobody thought Secretary of State was important until 2020.
They all thought, oh, yeah, Secretary of State, it's just a stepping stone.
Lieutenant Governor, Governor, up you go, paper push, or whatever.
You know what?
George Soros figured out Secretaries of State are important.
Years ago, decades ago, he started the Secretary of State project to put crooks in, like Kathy Buchvar in Pennsylvania, Jocelyn Benson in Michigan, and Katie Hobbs in Arizona.
Lo and behold, they helped steal the election for Joe Biden from Donald John Trump.
So Mark Fincham has stepped up to the plate, and I tell you, I don't get much madder than when I heard that they're trying to keep Mark Fincham off the ballot.
This is crazy stuff.
So, Mark, first of all, update us on your legal case to stay on the ballot and give us a state of play in this race.
mark finchem
Good morning, Peter.
Thank you very much for your kind words.
Right now, I'm actually down in southern Pima County, very close to the border, getting ready for an event, so please forgive the noise in the background.
But, yeah, the insane Democrats tried to recall me six months ago and they failed at that in Pima County.
Now you already know Pima County is predominantly Democrat.
All they had to get was 18,000 signatures and they couldn't get those signatures.
So now we're at a point where the same people filed suit in Maricopa County Superior Court to have me removed from the ballot based upon news articles.
Nothing more than hyperbole and the fake news.
So where we're at right now, we had a pretrial hearing this past Monday.
The judge has taken everything under advisement.
It appears that our motion to consolidate the cases with Paul Gosar and with Andy Biggs, both congressmen, they were put in other courts with the same fallacious charges.
That now has a motion to dismiss.
That's supposed to be heard, I believe, April 20th.
And we believe that that's probably going to be the result, but they just don't give up now.
They want to have an evidentiary hearing, even without a trial.
So we've, we're still in the process of trying to raise funds to pay for it.
It's probably going to be about a $20,000 bill.
We're about halfway on raising the money, but we are asking for court costs and rest assured, sir, we are going to be filing ethics complaints with the state bar against the individuals who brought a bad faith lawsuit.
peter navarro
Yeah, so here's what bothers me about this, Mark.
It's like, you're going to win this.
It's like crazy.
In America, if they start keeping people off the ballot, that's just nuts.
But what they're doing is they're draining your time and your money and your energy away from actual campaigning.
And that, to me, is the tragedy, and that's the problem we have.
It's a form of what we call lawfare.
Lawfare.
And that's how the Mark Eliases of this world and the Democrat Party, going back to the steel of the presidential election, have used All manner of levers in our system, our election system, our legal system.
It's the Zuckerbucks privatizing our election system.
And we cannot let this happen.
So Mark, I want you to hold on.
We'll get you back at the beginning and get some coordinates on how to help you out.
But stay on just for a few minutes and Peter Navarro will be right back here in Steve Bannon's War Room.
You get in here first.
unidentified
War Room, pandemic, with Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Peter Knavar in for Stephen K. Bannon.
peter navarro
Peter Knavar in for Stephen K. Bannon.
Stephen will be with you this afternoon.
We have on the line Mark Fincham.
Mark is running for Secretary of State in the great state of Arizona.
The stakes are extremely high these days.
If I had a choice, if they could give me the choice of I could name every governor or secretary of state in every state in the land, I'd actually choose Secretary of State at this point because they have more power Over the election process and our election system's broken.
Mark has been doing a great job in the state legislature trying, trying to get those Arizona results looked at really carefully.
I'm so, look, Arizona, the victory margin there alleged for Joe Biden was only 11,000 votes, right?
And on Mark Fincham's efforts, we were able to get a canvas, just a partial canvas done, that illustrated that there were at least 50,000 so-called ghost voters, okay?
A ghost voter is when you have a ballot coming in that's counted, and you track it back to where it came from, and nobody's there, right?
Here's the math of this, and here's why Fincham's important to us.
The math of this is Biden carried at a minimum 2 out of 3, 2 out of every 3 absentee ballots in Arizona, maybe as much as 3 out of 4.
But if you just do 2 out of 3 with 50,000 ghost voters, you take those out of the count, That's a swing of 17,000 votes, which is enough to award the election.
Right there, on that fraud alone, on that fraud alone, the Donald John Trump.
And what we would expect, if we can win the Secretary of State positions across this country, particularly in battleground states like Arizona, we can finally get to the bottom of how that election was stolen, and make no mistake about it, that election was stolen.
In the last segment, we were talking with Mark.
It's just incredible that there's these lawsuits now trying to keep Mark, Paul Gosart, I guess, and one other person here in Arizona, Marjorie Taylor Greene in Georgia.
So give us an update again, Mark, where this stands.
When is the primary and how much time you got?
mark finchem
Thank you, Peter.
So, we'll go to court again April 20th.
We have a motion to dismiss that we believe the judge is going to be inclined to grant.
The primary is August 3rd.
So, this coming Monday, as Steve put it last week, we are definitely in the 90-day race to get through the primary and get on the general election ballot.
Quite frankly, I'm five points ahead of anybody in the primary and way ahead of the Democrats.
So, you know, if people want to visit VoteFincham.com, that's V-O-T-E-F-I-N-C-H-E-M.com, they can help me out with a donation, or they can just check the news and see what's going on with all of the various hits that we're doing with the various channels.
I would also add, moreover, that this is the same attack that this alleged J6 clown show that they have going on in Washington, D.C.
is going after.
They're 100% mission.
Is to remove me or prevent me from being on the ballot.
Which tells you they are scared to death of a guy who won't sit down and shut up.
That's what they're afraid of.
And Joe Soros very wisely targeted these years ago.
We should have been paying attention as a party, and we failed to do that.
peter navarro
Alright, well, you're a patriot, sir.
Tell people how they can help you out.
You got social media and any legal defense funds.
mark finchem
Yeah, if you go to VoteFincham.com, upper right hand corner is all the social media stuff.
You can make a contribution just by clicking the donate button.
If you want to do something for the legal fund, there's a fund that's been set up at GiveSendGo.com forward slash defense fund.
And so far we've raised about 14 grand.
We're making progress, but we've got a number of lawsuits.
This one is not the only one.
We also have to have defense against the J6 bunch, and we're in the process of beginning to sue every single Democrat lawmaker in the state of Arizona for slander, defamation, and libel.
unidentified
So we got our hands full, but this is a street fight.
peter navarro
Stay focused on your race right now.
We need you as Secretary of State.
You'll be back in the War Room soon.
Thank you, Peter.
Go get him today, but Posse, you know how to help Fincham out.
This is absolutely critical that we take out Katie Hobbs and get Fincham in as the Secretary of State of the great state of Arizona.
mark finchem
Speaking of Posse, Peter.
You got a whole room of posse members here that are listening in on it.
So thank you very much for your time.
I appreciate it.
Hey, everybody!
unidentified
Say hi to Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro!
mark finchem
All right.
peter navarro
Thank you, Peter.
No AstroTurf.
We're strictly grassroots, baby.
mark finchem
That's right.
peter navarro
All right.
Now, rumor has it I could see Posobiec's beautiful face there.
Are you ready to roll here, Jack?
jack posobiec
I'm ready, but I have to warn you, Peter.
I'm happily married.
peter navarro
Not hitting on you, dude.
Not even thinking about it.
Hey, so I went at this with Darren Beattie today.
I've been listening to the coverage.
jack posobiec
I saw, man.
You two were going at it.
peter navarro
Yeah, well, you know, I mean, look, I was surprised we could get you on the phone today because, you know, I figured you'd be out being kind of on Wall Street, like helping to do this deal because you were the guy who initially set it up and everything with your tweets and stuff like that.
But.
Give us your latest take on that.
What I laid out with Darren was like, hey, so maybe Musk buys this.
I don't see it as a particularly great thing.
Maybe he gets spurned and he crashes and burns Twitter's stock.
That's what I love.
Or maybe you get what I call the woke knight scenario coming in, and some liberal comes in and buys Twitter and snatches it from the clutches of Elon.
Why don't, Jack, why don't we just want to go and build up Getter and Rumble and True Social and Parlor and that?
Why do we care about this?
I don't get it.
jack posobiec
Well, I don't.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's zero sum, right?
You know, I think that we do need to continue building up Getter, as you, of course, have dubbed it the Twitter killer.
I do think that we need to continue building up parallel resources.
But at the same time, any time that you can take away territory or a resource From the enemy, from the regime.
I think that's a win.
I think that's absolutely a win.
And so judge a man by his enemies, and you look at the people that have risen up to oppose Elon Musk in this, and he's got the SEC breathing down his neck now, he's got the entire mainstream media going after him, all of the blue check liberati are freaking out right now.
So I look at something like this, and I say it's an absolute win, because finally, finally, those guys are on defense, and then you've got our side, the freedom side, finally back on offense.
And I think there's a million things that you could do with it once you break that box open.
peter navarro
The stock chart, I mean, for me, it's like I'm a macro kind of stock market kind of guy.
What the stock market chart was telling us was that Twitter's days were over.
The glory days of Twitter were over and Twitter was going to go away.
It was going to be eclipsed by competitors.
It was going to have less and less influence in the world.
I personally like the crash and burn scenario where they don't sell the company to Musk, he pulls his money out abruptly, the stock price plunges again, and then we take them out through healthy free market competition.
Getter and Rumble and Parlor and True Social and whatever else pops up.
Why isn't that a better scenario?
I mean, Darren keeps going on this global public square thing, and I just didn't see it, because it's like, you've got a bunch of woke people on that, spinning bad narratives.
I don't see how you replace that.
jack posobiec
Well, one way that you can replace it, if you go back to 2019, one of the interesting takes on all of this was to make Twitter open source, was actually this idea of decentralizing Twitter towards more of a blockchain open source kind of technology, whereby in Twitter would rather be would become more of a standard, kind of the same way that SMS or text messaging is a standard.
So if you privatize the company, this is actually something that you could do, which, as you say, Twitter itself doesn't seem, just judging based on their stock position lately, has not been very profitable.
But if Twitter becomes an open standard, whereby other apps and other companies are then able to link onto that same standard, you could even go to a position where, say you have an Elon Musk-controlled privatized Twitter, you could even make it so that Twitter, Getter, and all of these are actually combined on the same standard, but they're still their own apps individually.
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That sounds like a government... But look, it's like... No, but it wouldn't be, because it would be decentralized.
peter navarro
Hang on, let me make this point.
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Why does anybody assume that one must... Hang on.
jack posobiec
You know, if someone's got an Android or someone's got an iPhone, you can still text them, right?
You can text across platforms.
It would be like that.
peter navarro
Yeah, but let me just say this.
It's like, why does everybody assume if Musk buys that company that all the woke lefties that are Twitterers, heavily engaged, would stay with that platform?
I mean, why wouldn't they?
I mean, it's a bad technology.
jack posobiec
And you know this, right?
The name of the game isn't converting the woke lefties.
I mean, they're never going to be converted.
The name of the game is the great middle.
Right, going to middle Americans, being able to make that case, going to people who, you know, the great Lars Simba used to call these guys the, you know, low information voters, right?
You just go to folks out there and you say, hey, here's what's really going on.
Here's the truth.
Let me let me show you some facts about this.
Hey, maybe you tuned into an episode of The War Room.
Maybe you listen to Human Events Daily.
Maybe you read Navarro's book.
Being able to reach those people that are not self-selecting By going into a place like Truth Social or a place like Getter, which, by the way, my Getter numbers have been exploding exponentially, even in the wake of all this news, but it is still self-selecting.
So when you can break open Twitter and make it a standard, and this has actually been discussed by Jack Dorsey and others, Then you would have the ability to be able to infiltrate so many more of this and have access to more and more eyeballs.
And then maybe, finally at that point, we could bring them over to the promised land of Getter.
peter navarro
The analogy I used with Darren, and I'll throw it to you, is like we go back in a time machine, and it seems like supporting this Twitter now is like supporting Standard Oil instead of busting the trust.
I mean, that stock chart, again, we had them on the ropes.
And why not bust the trust?
Why not break them up?
Why not make them?
jack posobiec
Because remember, the Internet is not a I mean, sure.
Sure.
There's, you know, finite resources in terms of, you know, broadband services and cell towers and fiber optic cable.
But the Internet is not a physical place that can be broken up regionally like, you know, you know, Bell Atlantic or or one of these trusts can be done.
So what what does that actually look like?
I think that a scenario in a 21st century world of busting the trust and breaking up Twitter would be This idea of decentralizing Twitter and making it an open source standard, whereby in other apps, you know, you can have getter up there.
If you want to set up your own thing, you can put it on there as well.
You make a completely open source, decentralized, put on the blockchain.
That way, nobody essentially is able to own it.
It gets turned over to the users.
It gets turned over to the public writ large.
And I guarantee you the democratization of information across the West is so incredibly, incredibly dangerous.
To the powers that be.
peter navarro
Jack, we've got to take a quick break.
You want to hang on for the next segment?
jack posobiec
Sure, let's do it.
peter navarro
All right, let's do it.
Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K. Bannon.
We'll be back with the great Posobac talking about the Twitter Wars.
And I do want to touch with Jack a little bit about the Ukraine situation, which he has been just on top of.
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All right, let's go right back to Jack Posobiec.
We're going to do breaking news on two items.
We want to talk Quickly about Taiwan and then shift to to Russia.
Big news out of there as well.
Jack, what's going on in Taiwan?
jack posobiec
So the breaking news on Taiwan right now is that there's a there is a huge delegation bipartisan.
You got Bob Menendez, Senator Menendez of the Foreign Relations Committee and Lindsey Graham, as well as a number of other senators on the island right now in Taipei meeting with President Tsai Ing-wen.
At the same time, the PLA has announced a massive large scale naval exercise right within the waters, just outside the Taiwan Strait. Frigates, bombers, fighters, even the J-20 is being sent over in terms of this. We're also hearing news from the PLA that Xi Jinping has ordered J-20, that's their stealth fighter, their cognate, sort of their copy of the F-35 US fighter, the Joint Strike Fighter, US-UK, to start conducting patrols of the South China
Sea. So they're going for the South China Sea again. They're making a lot of noise over Taiwan and they're making sure to put their military muscle in the water right there as the US delegations in the air. I called it, or on the ground I should say, I say the 打龍在起來了, the dragon is waking up.
peter navarro
If you were a national security advisor, would you advise Having these people go over to Taiwan or would you advise against that because it would provoke these kinds of things?
Where's your head on that?
jack posobiec
Well, I think it's important for the United States right now specifically to show their support for Taiwan because we have to understand that 90% of these top level semiconductors are still being constructed in Taiwan.
And I wish that those would come back to the United States.
I wish they would go back to San Diego.
I know there's some prefab sites that are getting made up in Phoenix right now for semiconductors.
But the world is the way it is and we have to face it the way it is.
And since that being the case, we have to make sure that they understand that the United States does stand with Taiwan at this point.
Because keep in mind, they want to be able to do to Taiwan what they're doing to the people of Shanghai right now.
Probably one of the biggest stories in the world that no one is talking about.
How they've turned a city that I used to live in into an open-air prison of 26 million people starving.
peter navarro
Switch to Russia.
Ukrainians were able to hit one of their ships.
Is that the big news?
Talk a little bit about that.
jack posobiec
Well, what's confirmed is that the Moskva, the Black Sea Fleet ship, and when I was a Navy officer, I mean, that was a ship that I used to write reports on, right?
It's confirmed that it is down.
Of course, there's conflicting reports over what happened.
Was it a missile strike?
Was it a drone?
Was it a fire?
Of course, it's going to be a long time before we get the receipts on that.
Obviously, there needs to be an investigation, but I'll put it this way.
Whoever the commander, the CEO of the Moskva was, if he didn't go down with the ship, I'm pretty sure that when he gets back to Crimea, he's going to wish he had after not too long.
peter navarro
So the ship actually was sunk?
Not just disabled?
jack posobiec
The ship is down.
The ship is down.
So Ukraine claims they sunk it.
Um, and Russia is saying that it sunk well after a fire and then undertow.
So it was undertow.
They claim there was a storm.
We know that it was cloudy over the Black Sea yesterday during this time period.
They claim that it sunk during a storm while it was damaged.
So again, you know, it's it's the truth is somewhere in between, I'm sure.
peter navarro
As an intelligence officer, what would be your read on what the Russians are doing?
Are they playing checkers and in full retreat on land now?
Or are they simply toying with the Ukrainians, moving assets around and hitting new places each time effectively?
Pierce that veil for the audience here, please.
jack posobiec
Well, I think that what we're looking at on the ground is that they're certainly taking the land pressure off of Kiev, but it seems that they're exerting more pressure in that eastern or southern cauldron, as they call it, around the Donbass region.
And keep in mind, there's some there's reports of up to 40,000 plus Ukrainian soldiers that were right along that Donbass, what they called the contact line.
And so it seems as though Russia is falling back from that area of Kiev in the north, but is consolidating forces down in the Donbass region and attempting to encircle This is the bulk of the Ukrainian army that is currently within that cauldron right there.
So in the city of Mariupol, which is the largest port of Donbass right on the Sea of Azov, it looks as though those operations are starting to wind down.
And once those operations wind down, that'll free up about several thousand troops, not only from Russia, but of these separatist groups that have been fighting in that region.
And so those are probably also going to be pushing up.
I think what we're going to see here very soon is a large-scale battle of Donbass, larger than anything that Europe has seen since the days of World War II.
peter navarro
All right.
Are we seeing the weapons that the Europeans and the Americans are sending into Ukraine having more and more effect?
Is there any gathering momentum on the Ukrainian side because of that infusion of weapons, or is it still pretty much status quo?
jack posobiec
Oh, well, I think that it's due to those weapons, particularly the Javelins and some of the S-300 systems, the air defense.
That have been given the Ukrainians such an edge in all of this a lot of analysts were saying that they thought Russia would steamroll But instead they did face this fierce resistance because of course they have a hugely strong fighting spirit in Ukraine Fighting very hard for their homeland, and it's because of those weapons.
It's because of weapons like the javelins You know being this anti-tank guided missiles being able to use them that they do have an edge against these these numbers that are being sent in from Russia All right, Jack.
peter navarro
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I podcast that.
I urge everybody to do that.
The War Room as well.
It's the, what do you call it?
The microwave version of the War Room.
jack posobiec
It's the Cliff Notes of War Room.
Podcast for people who don't like podcasts.
peter navarro
Yeah.
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Give that a quick check.
Yeah.
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And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that tomorrow, Steve Bannon and I have pre-recorded a two hour Easter special that'll be dropping tomorrow.
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peter navarro
Awesome.
All right.
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Always great to be with you here.
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And Posse, we need you.
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