April 15, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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| I do think that we want to be just very reluctant to delete things and just be very cautious with permanent bans. | ||
| Timeouts, I think, are better than permanent bans. | ||
| But just in general, like I said, it won't be perfect, but I think we wanted to really have, like I said, the perception and reality that speech is as free as reasonably possible. | ||
| And a good sign as to whether there is free speech is someone you don't like allowed to say something you don't like. | ||
| And if that is the case, then we have free speech. | ||
| And it's damn annoying when someone you don't like says something you don't like. | ||
| That is a sign of a healthy, functioning free speech situation. | ||
| My strong, intuitive sense is that having a public platform that is maximally trusted and broadly inclusive is extremely important to the future of civilization. | ||
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But you've described it yourself. | |
| I don't care about the economics at all. | ||
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Okay, that's cool to hear. | |
| Okay, that was today at TED Talk, The Future of Civilization. | ||
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| So we'll talk about a little bit more about that. | ||
| Stunning news kicked off with Elon Musk, right? | ||
| Elon Musk going after a hostile takeover on Twitter. | ||
| We've got three individuals today that I think even more than called it, I think intellectually, Had a very important part of having Elon Musk actually focus on this. | ||
| There was a Twitter conversation, a string, with Mike, the great Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec back in March. | ||
| And then, and during that time, we had revolver Darren Beatty was writing about this and really making, I think, a kind of a moral imperative of not just why I'd be smart practically, but why I'd be smart for his agreement in civilization. | ||
| We did have today a number of shareholders came out, as I said, I think they got to take the highest price will be a 30% premium. | ||
| They'll hide behind the fact they want a hundred bucks a share, but that's all kind of the nuts and bolts of this. | ||
| Prince Alwaleed came out today and said he's not a seller anywhere near this. | ||
| They retain Goldman Sachs as an investment bank, as I told you they were going to do. | ||
| They'll write a fairness opinion, got a bunch of big law firms. | ||
| This is going to be a battle of the titans. | ||
| But I want to bring in Cernovich first. | ||
| I got Darren Beattie here. | ||
| Jack Posobie is going to join us. | ||
| So Mike, first I want to have you walk us through Back in March, you and Posobiec got into this, and Elon Musk jumped into the conversation. | ||
| Walk us through how you kind of got this idea in his head to go after Twitter and why it should be done. | ||
| Well, I definitely don't want to take more credit than deserved. | ||
| By the way, I love the icons that you have on display now. | ||
| I think it's important all the time for us to have icons in everything we display. | ||
| So I noticed you had yours up earlier. | ||
| Very, very important. | ||
| I think what I think what Elon is doing is he's understanding the world very much like an engineer. | ||
| And you and I talked a little bit about this before the show segment began, which is that an engineer isn't really sympathetic to what conservatives do 90% of the time, which is Well, double standard. | ||
| You're being mean to me. | ||
| That doesn't really tell you any useful information about the world. | ||
| The way you communicate with engineers is you say, OK, CNN calls Fox News disinformation. | ||
| OK, well, let's just examine that rationally. | ||
| CNN had to settle a defamation lawsuit against a teenage boy that they falsely smeared as a racist. | ||
| And then an engineer can go, oh yeah, that's true. | ||
| And then an engineer would say, because they think in scale and they think in rules, and they would say, well, if your rule is that you can't do disinformation, then wouldn't a defamation lawsuit filed by an underage boy against CNN and the Washington Post settle it as well? | ||
| Wouldn't that be disinformation? | ||
| And then that makes regime media go, wah, wah, wah, but we're not really disinformation though, because why, right? | ||
| So that's how you have to approach these things. | ||
| It's very logically, with a lot of discipline, because when you are being censored, you want to cry out, but then you just cry out in the wilderness sort of evidently, wah, I can't believe they're doing this to me, where me, I just say, sure, let's talk about who's disinformation. | ||
| Let's talk about, I can name 10 articles that CNN had to retract. | ||
| Because it was fake. | ||
| How far back do you want to go? | ||
| We don't even have to go back far. | ||
| Or those University of Chicago kids who I believe that, I believe Natalie used to work with you sometime back in the day or work with the show and has been a guest on your show. | ||
| That shows that very intelligent college-age kids, because I believe she knew those Chicago kids, can go on and say, well, wait a minute, if you're claiming that Fox News is disinformation, then how do you explain the Hunter Biden laptop suppression? | ||
| How do you explain 51 intelligence community people saying it's rusted disinformation that's a lie? | ||
| How do you have people on your show who lied before Congress, right? | ||
| People forget that James Clapper and Brennan, they had careers before Donald Trump became persona non grata to the corporate media, the regime media. | ||
| And you can go back and look, well, did Brennan lie to Congress about spying on senators? | ||
| The CIA, I mean, they did that. | ||
| Did Clapper lie? | ||
| Was there lying about the NSA spying program? | ||
| You just go back and show that or even with that, you know, chicken crap, You know, contempt thing against Steve Bannon. | ||
| Okay, well Eric Holder, he stonewalled Congress. | ||
| He was held in contempt and he was held in contempt for covering up the murder of federal agents. | ||
| Well, why wasn't Eric Holder prosecuted for misdemeanor contempt of Congress when he withheld documents that were not protected by executive privilege and they were about a cover-up of the murder of America's first responders, right? | ||
| So this is what you have to do and I got this from that book. | ||
| One of the best books I read was that really taught me how to communicate these issues because I always knew how to think nobody nobody's ever doubted that but communicating was I read Devil's Bargain which a Bloomberg guy wrote about you and it was to make you look like you know the bad guy obviously. | ||
| It's very logical. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So here's how David bossy goes about things when he finds news This is why that's why when I found out John Conyers entered into that secret sexual harassment lawsuit I took that to BuzzFeed and people go you gave up the scoop of a lifetime That you could have just had a press conference and you know smothered myself in glory. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Look at me covers cover my concern rich glory I said no, no, no. | ||
| No, I read devil's bargain that Bannon and bossy said hey if you have a Something like that, you don't publish it yourself because then it'll be ignored or it'll be discredited or it won't have any kind of impact. | ||
| And if you really actually care about the movement, what you do is you find a lefty outlet and you just say, look, so I gave them John Conyers on a silver platter. | ||
| They couldn't believe it. | ||
| I was like, look, you guys got to break it this weekend because you know me, I'm a little attention deficit and I might tweet something. | ||
| So they were like, I can't believe that you got this. | ||
| And that's what really it's all about. | ||
| It's learning. | ||
| Conservatives have to learn how to think. | ||
| They have to learn how to not communicate with the language of the victimized or the self-victimized. | ||
| And they have to learn how to speak the language of the audience, right? | ||
| So if you're talking about social media censorship, it doesn't do you a lot of good to say, wow, I'm me, right? | ||
| What you have to just do is say, I'll accept your premise. | ||
| It's true that disinformation is bad. | ||
| And now I'm going to look at everything that you've ever said and let you see if that falls under the umbrella of disinformation. | ||
| And then, of course, you watch the regime media freak out, right? | ||
| Well, but we're trying to tell the truth, right? | ||
| Well, good. | ||
| Like you've said before, make the other guy have to explain things. | ||
| I'm tired of our side. | ||
| I don't explain anything. | ||
| I'm tired of our side. | ||
| You know, Mike Cernovich is this. | ||
| I don't explain it. | ||
| I don't have to explain anything to you people. | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| You think you're God? | ||
| You think you're a spiritual father that I have to confess my many grievous sins to? | ||
| There's a process for that, a redemptive process and salvation process for that. | ||
| The broader picture is that going forward, this is how people have to communicate. | ||
| Rationally, coherently, stay on target. | ||
| Nobody cares about your opinion. | ||
| People want to see the facts. | ||
| And just be relentless every day. | ||
| Look, I'll show you another one. | ||
| I'll show you another one. | ||
| I'll show you another one. | ||
| And if we do that, we'll win. | ||
| Because remember, this is what they showed at the University of Chicago students showed and how inspirational that was. | ||
| And I know everybody talked about that last week is like we win if we're allowed to speak, right? | ||
| That's what everybody has to remember when they get demoralized or feel isolated. | ||
| When we're allowed to just talk, we win. | ||
| That's why they have to go and do all the censorship stuff. | ||
| So today was, I think, very, very revealing. | ||
| And the regime has showed its hand even more today. | ||
| Okay, brilliant. | ||
| By the way, go left, pivot right. | ||
| I want to go now to Jack Pasovic. | ||
| Hang on, Mike. | ||
| I got Darren Beatty, too. | ||
| Jason Miller said today, Jason Miller said outright that this place rots from the head up. | ||
| You saw all the way the staff has already come out. | ||
| We don't want Elon Musk. | ||
| I think you tweeted out, you're offering him a laptop from hell. | ||
| Elon Musk, a laptop from hell. | ||
| That's a pure Andrew Breitbart move. | ||
| What do you mean by that, Pasovic? | ||
| Steve, we've seen from this morning, we saw this coming, right? | ||
| Call the shot, take the shot. | ||
| We knew that the regime would not allow Elon Musk to simply step up and restore freedom of speech to the Internet through the most powerful platform for free expression that there is right now, as currently constituted, being Twitter. | ||
| We knew they wouldn't allow that. | ||
| So we realized that they're already starting to talk about investigations. | ||
| And Aaron Sorkin was on MSNBC this morning talking about, oh, we're going to | ||
| You know they're gonna you know look at Tesla and what did he say about the SEC and are they gonna dig into it and then we're gonna look at these SpaceX contracts and NASA and Space Force and are we gonna allow that and Starlink and everything else that he's doing now they're getting all these other people to block him try to make bringing these white knight offers ton of antitrust issues there but what I realized is Elon Musk has now stepped into the arena and this is the great battle | ||
| For the freedom of speech in the West. | ||
| And so he might need a little collateral on the regime. | ||
| And what better collateral is there? | ||
| And I just so happen to have multiple copies of now the Hunter Biden hard drive from hell. | ||
| So, Mr. Musk, if you'd like, I'd be more than happy to offer you a copy. | ||
| I am prepared to have it delivered wherever you like. | ||
| We can get that to you, so you can go through it for yourself, have your people go through it. | ||
| I'm sure you can validate anything you want to validate, and it will give you a roadmap, not only to what's going on in the current administration, but a roadmap and a playbook on how the regime operates. | ||
| Darren Beattie, are our two first guests correct? | ||
| Is this a battle at the highest level? | ||
| Is this a battle over the apparatus and regime media? | ||
| Is this the moral imperative is about civilization, as Elon Musk says? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| The stakes involved, as I said on Tucker a couple nights ago, the stakes involved in this battle are at least as high as the stakes of human beings traveling to space, and they're certainly higher than the fate of an electric car company. | ||
| They're stakes at the very, very highest level, and Elon Um, indicates that he has awareness of these stakes, and I was very encouraged to hear that he doesn't think of this as a financial transaction because it's really not. | ||
| When you're dealing with the global public square, you're dealing with something that's far more influential, far more consequential than simply money in transactional terms. | ||
| you're dealing with who controls the narratives that shape people's understanding of reality. | ||
| And the same reason it's so important that Elon succeeds is the very same reason that the regime will throw everything it possibly can throw at him in order to stop him from liberating the global public square. | ||
| You said that you've made a comment, we've got about a minute, you just made a comment the other day that diplomatically, national security throughout the world, that this is the place where they can actually start craft every narrative they want whether it's on the CCP virus. | ||
| So walk us through that. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's a thing that many ordinary citizens don't understand is that Twitter is the epicenter for what the national security state calls hybrid warfare. | ||
| Every kind of narrative associated with the geopolitical conflict travels through Twitter. | ||
| And so the ability to direct how those narratives take off, or how those narratives don't take off, is a precious asset to any kind of national security apparatus, including our own. | ||
| And this is what Elon's running up against. | ||
| And so it's just He's threatening every single major stakeholder in the regime, so I hope he's prepared for what's coming. | ||
| Okay, we want the audience to hang through. | ||
| We're going to ask our three guests. | ||
| We got Cernovich, Posobiec, and Darren Beatty. | ||
| That is murderous. | ||
| 27 Yankees right there for conservative social media. | ||
| Here's how important these guys were. | ||
| This was not only a called shot. | ||
| This was a shot that was actually, I think, as much as the advisors around Elon Musk, it was actually conceived by the three gentlemen that are on the show right now. | ||
| The hostile takeover of the global public square. | ||
| All next in The War Room. | ||
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| Okay, what they're doing now, Twitter has retained the board of Twitter. | ||
| They're forming an independent committee, as they will have to. | ||
| They're going to retain an investment bank, which they retained Goldman Sachs, and of course there's all this stuff on Twitter and the internet about how Goldman's research department had a sell on the stock. | ||
| That doesn't matter, because they're going to look at the internal numbers and the forecast of management. | ||
| Management is going to be working non-stop to look to get a white knight or friendly bid in here. | ||
| Or to be able to convince the board that if we just go on our business plan, the stock's gonna be at 100 bucks at some time, and they'll have all kind of financial models internally. | ||
| There'll be people working all weekend, but this company's in play. | ||
| And right now, Elon Musk most assuredly has targeted the management team. | ||
| He definitely said the management team's not up to it. | ||
| That's why it's so important. | ||
| Daily Mail has a huge story out, as Jason Miller called it today. | ||
| It's not just the senior management. | ||
| You've got every programmer. | ||
| They're talking about having a walkout. | ||
| They don't want Elon Musk in the building. | ||
| And one of the reasons, I'm sure, is because these people are not stupid. | ||
| Remember, on this show for months, I've been mocking them about how the young people are all, they're all broke, and here's why. | ||
| They're working for these salaries, but the big money is they get these stock options. | ||
| The stock is off From $69 a share when Getter launched on July 5th, it was in the low $30s. | ||
| Now, I said this not because of just Getter, but it's what Getter and Rumble and these other things represent. | ||
| That the conservatives are leaving it, their traffic's down, as Pasoba just reminded us through the break, they don't drive traffic anymore. | ||
| But as Darren Beatty says, they build narrative, and they build important narrative. | ||
| You don't have to do anything but watch what's happening in Ukraine and all the misinformation about how do you think about Ukraine, this conflict over the eastern border, the Russian-speaking eastern border of Ukraine. | ||
| At the same time, we're not talking about the invasion of our country to understand the power of Twitter. | ||
| But I want to go back to Sernovich and Posobiec first and bring Darren, back in here. | ||
| Guys, why was it in March that you got engaged in this conversation? | ||
| And weren't you surprised when Elon Musk actually engaged with you and said, hey, it sounds like a pretty good idea when you guys were saying, hey, it's time for somebody to go take this apparatus and really go after the town square of regime media. | ||
| Let's start with Cernovich and then go to Posobiec. | ||
| Well, you can tell that Elon is a, he's a, he uses the product, right? | ||
| There, there's something that's always bothered me about, uh, extreme wealth in America. | ||
| And one is that Americans assume that if someone is extremely wealthy, then they're, they're visionary people, but Tom Stowers, Stiers, I'm not, not sorry, Stiers. | ||
| A failed bid for the presidency, right? | ||
| The guy's a multi-billionaire and he couldn't even move the needle, neither could Mike Bloomberg, so we give too much credit for these billionaires and assume that they know something we don't, when instead it's just, no, they're good at one area of business, which is valuable, but they're not some kind of visionary. | ||
| Elon, everyone knows, and this is, you know, despite my frequent calls to Trump, this is something that I like about Trump and this is something that you have to like and respect about Elon Musk. | ||
| You feel like if you say something, if you bring up an idea, he'll go, oh, let me think about that for five seconds, and his brain's so fast, of course, that's like us thinking about it for a year, right? | ||
| So, if you're, you know, a mere mortal like me, you cook up an idea for a year, and then you feel like, though, if you say it, his brain will say, okay, I'll take five seconds to entertain that, and then if it's a good idea, I might get traction. | ||
| So, he's in that regard a real conduit to the people, between the people, and We're all vassals of billionaires, right? | ||
| Just choose the billionaire that you like. | ||
| That's why we're like a feudal Japan now at this point, right? | ||
| You have the shoguns at the very top and the rest of us are just ronins running around. | ||
| The Seven Samurai, right? | ||
| The Rogens, the gunslingers, the warriors just wandering around. | ||
| Posovic, you, when you engaged with Cernovich, and you guys got a conversation going, and Elon Musk jumped in there, and then shortly thereafter, around that time, obviously someone was accumulating stock that became a 10%. | ||
| I mean, he essentially, this is called, in M&A and actually military, it's called command by negation. | ||
| You can negate it with a very small part of the stock, like at 9 or 10%. | ||
| I mean, this is how some of the great takeover guys on Wall Street have controlled companies by owning 10%. | ||
| That's the reason they have the trigger. | ||
| The SEC has the trigger at 4.9%. | ||
| When you pass 5, as it looked like Elon kind of missed their target, when you pass 5, you got to, I think, disclose within 48 hours. | ||
| that you're accumulating a position. | ||
| Pasovic, why was it then, why were you and Cernovich in that discussion? | ||
| And did it surprise you that Elon Musk jumped in? | ||
| No, it doesn't surprise me, Steve, because one thing that I actually remembered about all of this is, you know, when you're assessing someone's knowledgeability, when you're assessing someone's intense strategic intent, we know that Elon Musk has used these sorts of Twitter forums and Twitter polls and cryptic comments in order to make big moves before He sold a whole bunch of Tesla stock a few years ago after making a lot of moves like this on Twitter. | ||
| He's signaling it. | ||
| And so I also remembered that Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey had a good relationship, that they were friends. | ||
| And so Jack Dorsey, people forget that he took some time off And then early 16, there were rumors being spread that Jack Dorsey was in there at the head of Twitter saying, this isn't what I wanted. | ||
| We've got a Frankenstein monster kind of situation here. | ||
| I wanted this decentralized ability for people to be able to communicate. | ||
| And I didn't expect to create the most influential site in the world. | ||
| How can we take it private to make it the thing that it used to be? | ||
| And that was a story that was going on all while Jack Dorsey was CEO. | ||
| And so it struck me as though this may have been something that Musk and Dorsey had discussed early on. | ||
| Now, I've got additional reporting on this that it looks like they were talking about that, but it was contingent on the reaction of the board of Twitter, the reaction of the management, which, as we've seen, Has been nothing but a complete slight to Elon Musk with his first offer. | ||
| So he tries offer one, doesn't work. | ||
| Goes for number two, and that's a bow heart deal. | ||
| That's a sweetheart deal right now. | ||
| But Musk has already said, if this doesn't work, he's got a plan B. And I think plan B involves going to those retail investors, whether you want to call it the ape army, the meme stocks, whatever it is, to bring everyone on board in a full on retail brigade Of Twitter. | ||
| We saw what they did with AMC. | ||
| You saw what they did with GameStop. | ||
| They can do the same exact thing on Twitter and then hand their proxy votes to none other than Mr. Musk. | ||
| Darren Beatty, so Andrew Ross Sorkin did tip their hand a little bit today about regime media, as Cernovich calls it. | ||
| Can regime media, and particularly the oligarchs in Silicon Valley, the Googles, the Amazons, we understand the side fights he's got Amazon and Musk have, Bezos and Musk have all the time. | ||
| Can they allow this apparatus, that now is a centralized apparatus for crafting narrative, Can they allow it to fall into the hands of someone like Elon Musk? | ||
| Who, look, I have a huge amount of problems with Elon Musk, but he is definitely not part of that clique, right? | ||
| Can they allow that to happen or will they fight this? | ||
| Will they burn this thing down before they let Elon Musk get it? | ||
| Well, if I were them, I would do everything in my power to prevent Elon from making Twitter a free speech platform. | ||
| There's simply too much at stake and the regime as it operates right now, all of the major stakeholders in the regime absolutely depend on a tight control of information flow. | ||
| The regime depends on censorship. | ||
| The regime as it presently stands cannot coexist with genuine free speech at scale. | ||
| Therefore, this is not any kind of ordinary hostile takeover. | ||
| It's a direct challenge to the regime itself. | ||
| And I think that is the fundamental dynamic at play that will determine all of the strategic moves and all of the responses going forward. | ||
| Sernovich, you're a lawyer. | ||
| Is Darren Beattie right? | ||
| Look, you've got Goldman Sachs involved, you've got the top law firms, they're going to have a whole process about fairness opinions, they're going to be looking for other bids, they're going to be going to Peter Thiel, trust me, even a guy like Peter Thiel over at Rumble, but will they have to, the investment bank's just got to get the highest priced. | ||
| Will regime media Say that no, this is like Stalingrad. | ||
| There's no chance that we can allow this apparatus to get outside of the tight control that we can provide to it, that it can't fall into the hands of Elon Musk or others. | ||
| To see an unprecedented level of lawlessness not seen since the various FBI rigging the election, the FBI rigging the investigation rather, interfering with the election by, we'll be careful how we word that, but interfering with the election by the fake October surprise. | ||
| Interfering in the 2016 election, but with the Russia collusion hoax, we now know which is a hoax. | ||
| And this is, you know, honestly, I don't, you know, I'm afraid Elon will hear me say this, but I don't want him to get cold feet, but this is the most dangerous game that is possible for any man to play. | ||
| I don't know if you guys remember, you read that, everybody read that short story in literature class growing up, the most dangerous game, you know, real men don't hunt animals. | ||
| There are more dangerous games out there. | ||
| And it's a short story about a man dropped off in an Island. | ||
| What he's playing now is the most dangerous game that you can play because it's the regime. | ||
| It's despotic governments that Twitter has a relationship with. | ||
| Remember, two employees of Twitter were spying for Saudi Arabia. | ||
| That got buried. | ||
| People forgot all of that. | ||
| People forgot how much Saudi money was put up into Twitter. | ||
| There's a lot of foreign governments who have an interest in this kind of metadata. | ||
| So no, they're not going to – I can tell you what's going to happen right now. | ||
| They're not going to take the offer even though under well-established corporate law, 38 percent premium, that's the easiest deal you'd ever make in your life. | ||
| They're not going to and new law will be created or applied as a one-off in this case. | ||
| So it's going to be interesting to watch but it's clearly a very dangerous game and everyone should be cheering for Musk. | ||
| You see, this is why you want to retain Steve Bannon was at Goldman. | ||
| I sit there and go, hey, the stock was at 69 a year ago. | ||
| Let's look at the internal cash flows, the internal business model, the financial model. | ||
| It's 100 bucks a share. | ||
| We'll get into that. | ||
| We'll get into that later. | ||
| It is a premium to where the stock traded. | ||
| There's no doubt about that. | ||
| OK, but it's what's the intrinsic value of of Twitter as as. | ||
| Darren Beatty just told us it is the it is the town square for the world and it's a way to control To control narrative miles grow remember a couple years ago He told me he said look when she looks at that's why he's not gonna let these guys get that powerful in mainland China He understands social media is more powerful The nuclear weapons. | ||
| And he understands. | ||
| That's why, remember, they shut down a sitting commander-in-chief. | ||
| Not a guy had been a former commander-in-chief. | ||
| They shut down a commander-in-chief when he was still commander-in-chief. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| I'm gonna ask these three to stay. | ||
| Cernovich went medieval yesterday. | ||
| And, of course, The Hill, which is one of the stodgiest newspapers in the world, picked it up about the pressure on Kevin McCarthy. | ||
| We have the head of human events. | ||
| We have the head of revolvers. | ||
| We're going to talk about The basic language you need to do to break through the establishment. | ||
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| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
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| Mike Cernovich, yesterday you said on our Battleground show, the show at 6 o'clock, that we need to have tribunals, human rights tribunals. | ||
| For what's going on here after we win and take, you know, pick up 50, 60, 70, 80, 100 seats in the House of Representatives in the fall. | ||
| The Hill newspaper today, lead story this morning, McCarthy's getting hammered by people saying, these are the crazies on the right. | ||
| This is the hardest core group on the right that that's going to blow up this election because they're going to make it a choice, not a referendum on Biden. | ||
| What say you, sir? | ||
| This is the type of language you have to use, which is raw and honest, authentic language. | ||
| I don't understand why people tiptoe around the issues. | ||
| If someone kicked in your door, threw a flashbang grenade at your door, shot your dog, killed your kids, you would call that terrorism. | ||
| Here we call that, oopsie, they went to the wrong house, right? | ||
| Oopsie-daisy, they went to the wrong house. | ||
| They're destroying your livelihoods. | ||
| Why is that not economic terrorism? | ||
| Sanctions, you got to remember this. | ||
| Here's the way I think about these issues, is that They're cutting off banking to Russia and to Iran and to other countries and you can agree or disagree with sanctions. | ||
| That's not really the point. | ||
| The broader point is that that's a method of warfare. | ||
| Okay, well then if January 6th people who in many cases are still presumed innocent and have not been convicted of anything are given sanctions, How is that not an act of war? | ||
| This again goes back to the earlier segment about how you communicate to people using clear, bold and logical language, which is explain to me why using the same tactics used against Putin against American citizens who are presumed innocent under law, tell me why that's not economic sanction. | ||
| Tell me why that's not an act of war. | ||
| And of course, they don't have any kind of answer to that. | ||
| And this is the way we have to communicate. | ||
| And these are the issues that we have to push. | ||
| And time is running out. | ||
| We have less time than we think and people have to really get on it and not let people tiptoe around these very significant attacks on America acts that I consider to be terrorism. | ||
| Okay, he's talking about hybrid warfare, which is information economic Right? | ||
| Cyber warfare before you get to kinetic. | ||
| That's the book. | ||
| Chinese call it unrestricted warfare. | ||
| The intellectuals on the national security apparatus call it hybrid warfare. | ||
| This is what Cernovich talked about. | ||
| I want to go to one of the thought leaders. | ||
| The founder of Revolver, Darren Beattie. | ||
| You've talked about this from day one. | ||
| It's one of the reasons that Revolver is extremely edgy. | ||
| You've called it regime media. | ||
| You've called it a regime apparatus. | ||
| You've gone after the national security state harder than anybody. | ||
| Is Mike Cernovich right? | ||
| Is that the language that has to be used? | ||
| Or is that going to put in jeopardy, as the Republicans are saying, these guys are too radical. | ||
| They're too hardcore. | ||
| They're going to be used against us because people are going to say you have a choice. | ||
| These radicals versus, you know, nice social justice warriors versus the blandness you have by the Republican establishment. | ||
| Darren Beattie? | ||
| Well, I mean, I think Senator Rich is absolutely right. | ||
| And you can never really go wrong using language that accurately reflects what the stakes are and which reflects the reality that | ||
| Ordinary Americans are experiencing, whether it be the COVID tyranny, whether it be the constant drumbeats for war, whether it be any dimension of the regime's increasingly dystopian encroachments on all of our freedoms, there's simply no nice, soft, polite vocabulary that can do justice to what's actually happening in reality. | ||
| So I think we owe it to ourselves to be Truthful and effective and for that reason you have to use the language that corresponds to what's actually going on. | ||
| Posobiec, you sent me the great clip from Andrew Breitbart where he ends with saying, hey, no more cocktails, no more drinks, no more happy hour. | ||
| We're at war. | ||
| You're one of the biggest influencers day in and day out. | ||
| You've got over a million followers on Twitter. | ||
| You're the largest influencer on Getter and many other platforms. | ||
| Is Cernovich right? | ||
| Is this where you have to just cut through the nonsense and say exactly what it is and what's going to happen? | ||
| Or do you need to kind of hide behind the happy talk language you hear from the Republican establishment? | ||
| Well, I think you need to cut away the happy talk because we don't need to just talk about what it is. | ||
| We can see what it is. | ||
| Because when you go look at the city of Shanghai right now, where I lived for two years, I had an apartment in one of those towers the same way that we see right now and see a living hell on earth that they've turned it into an open prison where they're starving out 26 million people. | ||
| This is what these people are trying to institute here in the United States of America. | ||
| They want to turn you into some sort of insectoid serf who is just not able to own anything. | ||
| You'll be happy. | ||
| You will execute no political leverage or political power whatsoever. | ||
| You are meant to go to school, to get your degree, to get into debt, to go to work, to service your debt, to come home, see what's coming up next on Netflix, and you will not live a meaningful existence of substance because they want to disconnect us from God and they want to disconnect us from moral truth. | ||
| So go look at Shanghai right now. | ||
| The people and the powers that be that are fighting against Elon Musk are the same people that are trying to institute that kind of authoritarian power, Xi Jinping-style power, here in the United States. | ||
| So it's very simple. | ||
| Do you want to live in the world where they will drag you out of your home and kill your pets with a shovel in the street because they deem them a threat to society, or do you want to be a free citizen? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| When Andrew Breitbart said war, the three individuals we have in the show right now are three guys he would want to go to war with. | ||
| Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec, Darren Beattie. | ||
| I want to start with you, Jack. | ||
| How do people follow you on, wait for it, social media? | ||
| How do they get to your podcast? | ||
| How do they get to Human Events? | ||
| Yeah, social media, Twitter, Getter, at Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily, it's the Cliff Notes of War Room, it's a podcast for people who don't like podcasts, available Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. | ||
| Mike Cernovich, how do people follow you, sir? | ||
| Yeah, they can follow me on Twitter, you know, at Cernovich, my username, and again, Steve, I like those icons, we gotta keep the icons. | ||
| Spiritual warfare, we have to remind people every moment, That we're up against more than it seems on a surface level. | ||
| I gotta tell you, thank you so much. | ||
| I'm going to do a plug then. | ||
| Tomorrow, I've got Dr. Marshall Taylor, compliments of Jack Posobiec. | ||
| Dr. Marshall Taylor joins us for an hour tomorrow. | ||
| You're not going to want to miss that. | ||
| And on Saturday, I've got Jack Posobiec and Joe Allen, our transhumanist special, Descent into Hell. | ||
| You're not going to want to miss that show either. | ||
| Cernovich, thank you. | ||
| Darren Beattie, Revolver is a must-read every day, as is Human Events. | ||
| How do people get to Revolver, and how do they get to you, sir? | ||
| Revolver.news, two fresh pieces up. | ||
| One piece exposing the Presidential Debate Commission that, amazingly, the Republicans actually seem to understand now, and a piece about the dystopian and horrific Shanghai lockdowns, and of course, all the Elon material you could possibly want. | ||
| Revolver.news, I'm on Twitter, at Darren J. Beattie. | ||
| The Shanghai lockdown that Pasovic talked about, and I had the honor of living there for a while, too, in the French Concession, what Pasovic tells me is the classic part of town. | ||
| It is the biggest story in the world. | ||
| You've got to go to Revolver and read this. | ||
| And also, our next guest, we're going to try to get up Dave Bossy. | ||
| A long time colleague of mine and friend, close friend of Andrew Breitbart's and the guy that led the charge at the RNC to get out of these debates. | ||
| That's a bombshell that got dropped today. | ||
| Guys, Andrew Breitbart, who unfortunately left us, passed away back in 2012. | ||
| You guys were the types of people he was thinking about one day to be the warriors to fight through this. | ||
| And yes, there's no way you're going to back down. | ||
| There's no way you're going to Calm the language down. | ||
| People are just going to have to learn to live with it because this is all about action, action, action in human agency. | ||
| Honored to have you guys on here. | ||
| You guys are big drivers of this whole situation with taking over the town square, the global town square, by anti-regime rebel forces. | ||
| So thank you very much for what you've done so far and look forward to having you back on the show. | ||
| Moving the needle here at the War Room. | ||
| Cernovich, Posobiec, and Beatty. | ||
| Make sure you're all over these to follow them. | ||
| Do we have Dave Bossi up? | ||
| Dave Bossi's going to join us. | ||
| Here's what happened today. | ||
| There's bombshell news all over the place. | ||
| Big news down in Florida with Governor DeSantis. | ||
| signed another anti-abortion bill. | ||
| These anti-abortion bills are getting signed all over. | ||
| You've got huge news down in Texas, and now we've got two people who are very close to the Todd Bensman. | ||
| We've got Russia Vote. | ||
| They're in a Twitter fight right now about what actually is going on. | ||
| Are we actually shutting down the border and stopping this invasion? | ||
| Have we cut a good deal with the Mexicans, or is that all false, and we're actually carrying Abbott's water? | ||
| Also, blockbuster news. | ||
| Dave Bossie, deputy campaign manager in 2016, the head of Citizens United, and the guy that's a regular contributor on this, a guy I think I've made eight, nine, 10 films with, who's the producer of Rigged 2020, which got Zuckerberg's lawyers all jammed up, and Zuckerberg's already committed that he's not gonna put $400 million, or $300 million, or $100 million in back of CTCL. | ||
| For 2022, although people are going to be watching because that scumbag is going to try to get it in some other way. | ||
| The movie rig Dave bossy has led a charge to saying this came out of the 2016 campaign where we felt that the that the debate. | ||
| Commission was was against Trump. | ||
| There was no doubt about it. | ||
| Everything that happened on that debate was basically weighed to help Hillary Clinton and not Donald J. Trump. | ||
| The guys, Farron Holt and these guys, put their thumbs on the scale all the time and finally had enough of it. | ||
| And Trump's had enough of it. | ||
| The Trump movement's had enough of it. | ||
| I want to give a hat tip to the RNC and particularly Dave Bossie, who we're going to try to track down. | ||
| We've had to do a little Rearrangement here because of the section on Twitter, but Dave bossy really got really got guys to step up to the plate and today a bombshell announcement the RNC voted unanimously unanimously To to withdraw from that do we have the clip can we play the clip of? | ||
| from MSNBC of MSNBC for the for the about the debate clip Can we play that okay? | ||
| We can't that's okay. | ||
| It's called the debate clip that we pulled earlier that's I can wing it. | ||
| We have Auden at the border? | ||
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| Okay, let's go to Auden. | ||
| Auden, you're down in Acuna in Mexico. | ||
| Here's the question, and we've got Todd Bensman, and we're going to get to Birquam on the show tomorrow or on Monday. | ||
| There's a Twitter fight right now between Russ Vought, the great Russ Vought, former Head of OMB and Todd Bensman about what's going on in Texas. | ||
| What can you tell us? | ||
| Is this a smart deal? | ||
| Are the trucks being stopped at the border? | ||
| Is this deal that Abbott's put forward, is this just a head fake on his part? | ||
| Or is this something that the Mexican officials in Northern Mexico are actually going to stop illegal aliens from coming across the border, sir? | ||
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Well, I can tell you that from a Mexican standpoint, knowing how they are, it's something that they'll play both sides to the issue again, meaning that under the economic pressure that Governor Abbott is placing on them, yes, they'll relinquish initially, they'll put security on the Mexican side. | |
| But what I've seen historically is that that'll die out soon and things will continue as normal. | ||
| I think Governor Abbott has not gone far enough because these inspections that he's doing, he's only doing it at certain ports of entry. | ||
| If he really wanted to get the Mexican president, AMLO, and Biden to the table, he should do it across the board, along all the border, and put this economic pressure on all the governors of the Mexican states governing with Texas, not just Nuevo León. | ||
| Bring to the table the governor of Tamaulipas, which we all know that's cartel controlled. | ||
| Bring also the governor of Coahuila, which is the majority of West Texas that it borders with. | ||
| And if he really wants to have an impact on it, I think that's what he should do. | ||
| And I'm with Todd. | ||
| I agree that Governor Abbott is trying to do something about it. | ||
| To my estimation, it's not enough. | ||
| Okay, I think that may be actually Russ's argument. | ||
| Let's take a short break. | ||
| We're going to come back. | ||
| I think what we all agree upon now is that Abbott and his team did hit upon something. | ||
| It's not the performative of putting guys on buses, some illegals, aliens on buses and shipping them up here to Union Square or Union Station where they get put on a train and sent down to Florida where Ron DeSantis said, hey, you're not welcome here. | ||
| We're not going to play this game. | ||
| That's performative and that's optics. | ||
| We can all agree That he's definitely found out something about stopping the truck traffic across Laredo and these other ports of entry that is a major blow to the Mexican economy and economic warfare. | ||
| How should it be implemented is what we're talking about. | ||
| Short commercial break and we'll go back to Auden Caballero in a moment. | ||
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| It's the American Sheriff Mark Lamb out of Pinelle County, Arizona. | ||
| And I just don't think the average American understands the impact that's having on America. | ||
| And meanwhile, I keep reverting back to those open border policies. | ||
| It's killing Americans. | ||
| Like, if the cartel dropped a bomb on one of our communities and killed 100,000 people, what would our reaction be? | ||
| Look at our reaction for what's happening in Ukraine. | ||
| It's not even here in America, look at our reaction. | ||
| Look at what we did after 9-11. | ||
| A little less than 4,000, tragically, people that died in 9-11. | ||
| We went to war for 20 years over that. | ||
| Well, we have 100,000 plus people dying every year from fentanyl overdoses. | ||
| 96,000 the year before, over 100,000 so far, and I bet you this year we'll probably hit 150,000 to 200,000, tragically. | ||
| When are we going to wake up and realize that's a lot of civilian loss of life and we can fix that? | ||
| People always ask me, well how do you fix it? | ||
| We don't need to reinvent the wheel. | ||
| We saw that these policies under Donald Trump worked. | ||
| President Trump's policies were working. | ||
| We can start by going back to those policies and then we can take a look, how else can we increase, be aggressive, what else do we need to do to eliminate the human trafficking and drug trafficking into America? | ||
| We ended up going into McAllen. | ||
| And in the area of McAllen, he tried to get off through the grass onto the furnished road and caused him to lose control. | ||
| He spun around, almost hitting the unit that was following him, that was chasing him. | ||
| And he regained control. He even blew out his, it was a SUV. | ||
| He blew out the back window of his vehicle when he spun out. | ||
| That's how hard and how fast he was going that he blew out the window in the back. | ||
| He ended up ramming a car to his left side and ramming him up against the wall, a barrier, concrete barrier, because it's construction there. And he lost control and rolled over. | ||
| Okay, that is from Law and Border. | ||
| The great Ben Berquam has this special. | ||
| It's going to play at 6 o'clock, 6 p.m. | ||
| Eastern Daylight Time on Saturday, on Holy Saturday. | ||
| And it'll be right after, I guess, the reprise, the edition that we play here on Real America's Voice. | ||
| You don't want to miss it. | ||
| They spent a lot of time on it. | ||
| And of course, he's got a great team down there, Auden and Oscar and etc. | ||
| Just an incredible, incredible team. | ||
| Michael Young, I can't speak highly enough of what these guys do, and particularly they go in harm's way. | ||
| But some of the footage, what you're going to see on here with Sheridan Land and Pinal County and other things, it's just, it's unbelievable. | ||
| And this is all going to come to a head. | ||
| It's all coming to a head. | ||
| Before I go back to Aud and I just got to say, the great Sam Faddis, of course the former CIA guy who's on the show a lot as a contributor, just sent us a, just sent a breaking news, Benny Johnson. | ||
| Everybody knows Benny, right? | ||
| Another guy that's like the Pacific on Twitter all the time. | ||
| Breaking news. | ||
| Yahoo News authenticates Hunter Biden laptop and confirms a much bigger Biden family crime. | ||
| Conspiring with Chinese Communist spies and arms dealers. | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| New Hunter Biden revelations raise counterintelligence questions. | ||
| I don't think, Benny, when you look at that, that there will be, they authenticated it. | ||
| But I strongly believe it will be the stuff that we broke in in October of 2020 when the mainstream media didn't want to deal with it. | ||
| And most importantly, When the intelligence officers, this is why they must be stripped of their security clearances, because they knew exactly what we had in the hard drive. | ||
| They knew the level of detail of dealing with these state-owned industry front companies, controlled by the very worst people of the Chinese Communist Party, okay, in these front companies, particularly CFC, which was the capital markets group, essentially, For One Belt, One Road, which is really the British East India Company in reverse that they're doing to kind of control the Eurasian landmass. | ||
| This is all up to their necks. | ||
| And Joe Biden, this is filled with Chinese spies. | ||
| I mean, direct intelligence officers and assets. | ||
| It's all there. | ||
| It's very clear. | ||
| Doesn't take a lot of sophistication to authenticate it. | ||
| Of course, now, Yahoo, all these guys trying to cover themselves. | ||
| You're not going to cover yourself, Yahoo or New York Times or Washington Post. | ||
| This is all out there. | ||
| If you've done the work that the New York Post committed themselves to do and did, You could have seen it all in Joe Biden, this illegitimate regime. | ||
| Besides all the stealing, right? | ||
| We're not machine guys, but all the stealing that Gableman's working with and that Fincham's working with and in Georgia and up in Pennsylvania, while we say sort of decertification is so central, that this illegitimate regime would not be in here and America would not be going through This agony. | ||
| Auden, we'll get back to you on Monday. | ||
| Law and border is just amazing work, and we're going to get into this debate right now. | ||
| You're saying that the truck situation is good, but you don't trust the local regional governors of Mexico. | ||
| We got about a minute, brother. | ||
| You don't trust the regional governors of Mexico to abide by the deals they sign? | ||
| Is that what I'm hearing? | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| That's correct. | ||
| I don't trust. | ||
| I have no trust in them. | ||
| As we know, They're influenced by cartels. | ||
| And just, I've seen reports of yesterday where cartels started to burn the semis that were being held up to pressure the Mexican governor to deal with Governor Abbott, negotiate, and allow the trucks to cross once again. | ||
| So I have very little faith on the Mexican governors. | ||
| Hopefully Governor Abbott can stick to his guns and put additional pressure and do what the Biden administration is not willing to do. | ||
| Okay, Todd Bensman and the Great Russ vote. | ||
| They're kind of in a disagreement. | ||
| We're going to get it all worked out. | ||
| That's why we're in the War Room. | ||
| Auden, real quickly, how do people follow you, sir, on social media? | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| I'm on Twitter and also on Getter as Auden Cabello. | ||
| Auden, you stay safe. | ||
| You and Oscar Blue are always putting yourself in harm's way, and these are very dangerous times. | ||
| I understand that you guys are speakers of the truth, and that makes it more dangerous for guys like you than ever. | ||
| So thank you very much for joining us here. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| Will do. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Stick around. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Battlegrounds next. | ||
| You're going to have Dave Bozzi, Michael Patrick Leahy, Mark Fincham. | ||
| We're going to talk about human trafficking. | ||
| There's a lot going on in the Battlegrounds. |
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