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Episode 1,610 – Posobiec Hosts: Canada Freedom Convoy; CCP Winter Olympics; Ukraine Debacle Cont.Episode 1,610 – Posobiec Hosts: Canada Freedom Convoy; CCP Winter Olympics; Ukraine Debacle Cont.
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
That this is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the U.S., Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the U.S.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
jack posobiec
We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, This is Jack Posobiec sitting in for the Generalissimo, who is out today on personal business.
We are still conducting the work.
Our shoulders are to the wheel.
The people are out there.
They're doing the business.
Biden sending thousands more troops.
To the East, to Eastern Europe, to face off in an escalation against Putin that I don't think anybody here in the United States actually wants.
You've got payrolls falling by 300,000 in January.
You're supposed to add 200,000.
That's a delta of 500,000 jobs lost under this presidency.
A presidency in absolute freefall.
And we're going to get on Rahim Kassam later to talk about this breaking leaked document out of Afghanistan from the NSC.
But I'm going to continue talking We have Charlie Kirk on, and I really want to get into some of these things that you were just explaining, because we want actual investigations into some of the things.
But let's detail this a little bit more.
What are some of the top lines that you would like to see various committees on?
Because one of the things that I say, and I think Steve said this as well, keep the January 6th committee around, but just change the leadership on it.
charlie kirk
Yeah, that's definitely on the list.
I think that, you know, there has to be, you know, the Church and Pike committees were probably the most successful congressional committees in the last hundred years.
unidentified
And that really changed the way Americans- Well, break those down for the audience.
charlie kirk
Yeah, so I think his name was Frank Church.
I wasn't alive, but, and then I can't remember Pike.
It was the Senate and House equivalent of the Intelligence- Senator Frank Church, you're right.
Yeah, it was the House and Senate equivalents of looking into abuses by the intelligence apparatus.
And this came out of leaked documents from, you know, when we heard about Operation Mockingbird and COINTELPRO and all these different kind of CIA projects of mind manipulation and borderline torture, some very aggressive stuff.
Now, unfortunately, despite everything we learned in the Church and Pike Committee, it seemed that the intelligence kind of agencies continued to do it years afterwards. It's not like they stopped. It just kind of was this transparency project. But this was the FISA Act.
jack posobiec
So the FISA Act was the response to all of this.
They say, oh, you can't do domestic surveillance.
There has to be a process through this.
There has to be a warranted system.
It's going to be classified.
It's going to be the secret court that you go to.
But guess what?
They just completely co-opted and usurped the power of the secret court as well.
And now I think when people hear the words FISA warrant, that used to mean something, maybe in the war on terror.
But you know, and I said this the other day, look, Ron Paul was right when he talked about the Patriot Act.
He was right about the FISA Act.
He knew that it would be abused and it absolutely was abused.
So everything you're talking about, the church and bike commissions, they just found another way to do it.
charlie kirk
That's exactly right.
And I mean, history will show that Ron and Rand Paul were right and Lindsey Graham was wrong.
Lindsey Graham was always telling us for years, don't worry, there'll be no abuses.
We need to find Americans just to go find terrorists.
and Ron and Rand Paul said yeah just wait till they change the definition of a terrorist.
jack posobiec
We actually um do do we have that do we have that clip uh on Lindsey Graham?
I'm gonna play that real quick. Yeah Charlie I think you may have heard this one from Newsmax last night. That's the uh Lindsey Graham. Yeah Denver can you play that clip real quick?
unidentified
Lindsey Graham. Yeah give it a second.
jack posobiec
This is so Trump goes on Newsmax last night and he gets asked about Lindsey Graham and Lindsey Graham of course has been out there championing this idea trumpeting that uh that Joe Biden should be able to choose whoever he wants and it's not affirmative action.
Are you got the clip up ready?
Let's go.
unidentified
You talked about the potential, if it's appropriate, of pardoning some of the January Sixers.
Lindsey Graham said a couple days later he thinks that's inappropriate.
What do you think?
Well, Lindsey Graham's wrong.
I mean, Lindsey's a nice guy, but he's a rhino.
Lindsey's wrong.
Look... KABOOM!
jack posobiec
Look, Charlie, you've been someone who's outspoken on this.
What do you think about what the president or the former president said there?
charlie kirk
Yeah, I mean, it's obviously hard to disagree.
I mean, Lindsey was fine with Kavanaugh.
I'm not a fan at all of the saber-rattling internationally.
I think it's interesting, though, because, you know, President Trump does have a close relationship with Lindsey Graham, and he has for a while, and maybe there's some fracturing there.
But look, I mean, I think that Trump's instincts from criticizing the intelligence agencies, from knowing their potential power, to trying to stop the adventures abroad while own country decayed, it was probably one of the most incredibly kind of, let's just say, impactful contributions to the American political zeitgeist of any Republican Since Reagan, honestly.
I mean, he changed the way the entire center-right views the intelligence agencies and these ridiculous wars abroad.
And you see that with so many of these Republican senators right now, where there is this piece in Politico, and it was intentionally inflammatory, where they said, Republican senators tell Tucker Carlson that you don't run the party.
And it was so funny because all these heartland senators were going one by one, being like, Tucker Carlson, you don't represent us.
We represent our people.
I'm like, really?
Do your voters really want war with Russia?
Is that the new position?
You do realize that this talk show host that you go after is actually representing the needs, wants, and interests of tens of millions of your voters.
Yeah, look, to go back to the Church and Pike Committee, though, it's not easy to try and make the intelligence service heal, if you will, or to foos, or to come to order.
Instead, they're going to bite back, but I think it's a worthy fight, and I think the American people know there's something very dark and duplicitous happening at the highest levels of our government.
jack posobiec
Well, and this is Chuck Schumer, and probably one of the most truthful things that he ever issued as an utterance, you know, in his entire career in politics, that he says, if you pick a fight with the intelligence community, they've got six ways from Sunday for getting back at you.
He said that in early 2017.
That's when he said that.
Early 2017.
And then you saw how the entire dynamic played out between the Trump administration and the intel community for the next couple years.
But what strikes me as interesting, though, And Rick Grinnell had a tweet up about this recently, which is, you know, I think you'd have to update because he was saying that early on in the Biden administration, all the leaks, remember there was always these huge leaks from the intel community.
It always come out on a Friday, by the way, and that the Washington Post would have a story and the New York Times would have a story.
People always say it's, well, if it's the Washington Post, you know, it's CIA.
If it's the New York Times, you know that it's FBI.
and that would drop on a Friday and you know Trump is lying and here's what's really going on. Trump is lying here's what's going on. The Atlantic had that story about you know Trump and these fake comments that nobody could ever actually find a source for. But then suddenly it seems like really just in the last week or so the leaks have come back on and what I see in terms of this is this is the intel community using their ability to leak directly to the media to exert their influence on the American presidency.
That is not, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not the system as it's supposed to be designed.
charlie kirk
No, it's a fourth branch of government, and no one voted for these people.
It violates one of the promises of the Constitution, which is consent to the governed, and also separation of powers.
Like, how do you put that into check?
Well, the only way to do that is Article One.
And that's Congress.
That's it.
There is no other way.
The courts aren't going to put these guys in check.
They've decided not to.
The presidency, obviously, we've seen with Trump and Biden.
I mean, mostly Trump.
Biden's mostly okay with it.
It's incredibly difficult to rein in these agencies.
It needs to be almost a full-time job from Congress to withhold funding and to issue subpoenas and to demand answers.
That's the only way to do it.
And look, you call it the deep state, you call it the swamp, you call it the machine, whatever it is, They think they run the country.
And I mean, some people are so cynical probably watching this like, oh, there's no way to possibly hold them accountable.
Maybe you're right.
I'm not going to battle on that.
But I will say that it's definitely the moral thing to do.
The American people need to know what is happening in our intelligence agencies and the security apparatus, especially when you see what's happening when it comes to targeting moms and dads that go to school board meetings across the country.
It's not going to stop.
jack posobiec
Well Charlie, let me switch gears just a little bit because there's another area of our bureaucracy that is unelected, seemingly unaccountable, and yet also has this almost omnipotent power over the American people, and that's the CDC and the NIH and the figurehead of Dr. Fauci, who through his edicts for 37 years now, this guy who's the most highly paid member of the federal bureaucracy, has all of this power
Yeah, when we find out information about what he was funding in Wuhan and various other things that he was funding, suddenly we're told to shut up.
Senator Rand Paul is told that he has to go down.
So what's my question?
What exactly should a Republican Congress, and it looks like House and Senate are in the cards, right?
Senate is And they actually, you know, and our prayers go with the Senator from New Mexico who just had a stroke yesterday.
So they actually are currently only at 49 members of Democrats in the Senate right now, today.
So the question is, though, what should be done about Dr. Fauci and this health bureaucracy and these pandemic mandates that they've been posing across the entire country?
charlie kirk
Yeah, the reason why Fauci's been able to get away with all this is for a hundred years we have allowed the progressive agenda of the fourth branch of government to be created that is untouched and, as you said, unelected, unknown, and has unlimited power.
Fauci is kind of the The pinnacle of that kind of Wilsonian, Hegelian, John Dewey, German historicist, march through time, you know, fourth branch of government, the state can do no wrong, infallible kind of consolidation of power.
And that really is what we've seen, is that, you know, and we saw with Lois Lerner with the IRS, and this is just the most recent chapter in it.
It just happens to be that when you're able to fearmonger around, you know, something you can't see that could potentially kill you and your loved ones, then all of a sudden the power that you're able to assume is rather remarkable.
I've made the argument for quite some time that Anthony Fauci is the most powerful man in Western civilization.
And that's incredible when you think about it.
More so than, I would even say right now, even more than Soros and even more than the tech giants.
Because Fauci's the one that's telling the tech giants what to censor.
Fauci's telling the media companies what to cover.
Fauci's the one that put a cloth on your nine-year-old's face.
And no one voted for him.
And so, if you look at the Constitution, it's a beautiful document.
We love it here on this show and on War Room and our show, The Charlie Kirk Show.
It's all about consent.
No one gave Fauci permission to have this much power, and that also violates separation of power.
No judge has kept him in check.
So what can be done by that?
Well, the people need to rise up saying, if nothing else, we are going to hold Anthony Fauci accountable.
We're going to create criminal referrals, maybe not to just the Department of Justice.
Maybe he broke state-based laws as well, Jack, that state attorney generals might be able to indict him.
And there needs to be an example made of him so that every- Well, Charlie, not just- I'm sorry?
jack posobiec
Not just claws on the faces, by the way, because we're now seeing, and I think DailyMail.com had the story, if they can pull it up, that we're now seeing Pfizer is seeking approval to make the United States the first country in the world To vaccinate babies, not just children, but babies from COVID-19.
And they even responded in Daily Mail, which is not exactly, you know, a conservative bastion, right?
They're not, you know, they're not human events, right?
You know, they're coming out and saying, experts say there's no need to do this whatsoever.
And yet it seems like Pfizer keeps pushing this and Fauci as well just keeps driving along with whatever industry is calling for.
charlie kirk
Yeah, that's right.
And I have to go in a minute.
I got to go do my show, Jack.
But you're exactly right.
And this is all about the Great Reset Agenda.
And it starts local.
It starts with action, starts with people rising up.
But to kind of complete the point, Article One of the United States Constitution, the Congress has control of the purse.
It's very explicit.
And they also have control over oversight.
And it's about time that we get power back.
And I'm enthusiastic.
To see people like Jim Jordan, to see people like Paul Gosar, to see people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, and others, to be able to have oversight ability and capacity to issue subpoenas, to be able to go after every single one of these things.
But my fear is either we don't do what we say we're going to do, or the other fear, Jack, which we'll have to explore another time, that this ends up being really disorganized.
Right?
That there's no plan, that it's just kind of a frenetic free-for-all.
That's my other fear, but that's a discussion for another time.
jack posobiec
That's right.
We're now down to 45 seconds anyway for the end of the segment.
Charlie, thank you so much for your time.
We really appreciate you spending time with us here in the War Room, getting the conversation started.
What do we do?
How do Republicans stick the landing?
Charlie, where can people follow you?
Where can people go to find your work and get access to it?
charlie kirk
They can subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Everyone has a smartphone, type in Charlie Kirk Show, hit subscribe, helps us out a lot, and Jack's a frequent guest, and God bless you, man.
jack posobiec
Alright, God bless Charlie, appreciate it.
Coming up next, Libby Emmons from the Post Millennial, the feminist, former feminist, we're going to be talking to her about what is going on with the left.
They're not supporting the workers, while the workers are rising up.
Explain this to me.
I don't get it.
What's happening?
We'll see what's going on next.
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So we've got Libby Emmons coming on from Post Millennial, one of my absolute favorite people in the world, who is the editor and publisher over there at the Post Millennial.
But, massive breaking news.
We're actually going to have to change the tenor of this segment because Huge scalp.
This is a scalp of all scalps.
The head of CNN, Jeff Zucker, has just resigned.
And now we're told, and still kind of in the fog of war of this because it's just happened, we're told it's over a consensual relationship.
So Libby, I am absolutely putting you on the spot.
What's the latest when it comes to the Jeff Zucker situation?
libby emmons
I just saw the same post you did.
Brian Stelter posted that Jeff Zucker will be resigning.
Um, and that this was because of a consensual relationship that he did not disclose at the beginning of that relationship.
That seems a little weird to me.
Why would you resign over a consensual relationship that ended, um, or I don't know if it did end or not.
As you said, we just are looking at this now.
jack posobiec
Uh, but I don't... So a consensual relationship with...
With a subordinate?
with a co-worker, so someone who's working there.
libby emmons
Yeah.
jack posobiec
And a subordinate.
libby emmons
Somebody.
jack posobiec
And it must be a subordinate because he's in charge.
Do we know if the subordinate was on air?
Could this have been someone who was getting airtime?
unidentified
I have no idea.
jack posobiec
That would be something that I want to look for in terms of this.
That would be pretty interesting.
Because, again, this is going to end up in the news.
And we just looked it up over the break here that he split with his wife in 2018.
They got divorced in 2020 to finalize the divorce.
So he's not married.
This isn't an affair, but it is something that it looks like.
Look, I could tell you just reading between the two leaves on this.
I think this is something where they wanted.
Remember, they were purchased out.
By AT&T, right?
And AT&T has been looking, and this has been reported, a lot of people have been telling me as well in the industry that they're looking to spin off CNN because they know the ratings are completely in the tank.
Look, Rachel Maddow has the same issue at MSNBC.
She's on hiatus.
She's hiding during the Beijing Olympics, the genocide games, the CCP Olympics.
Now Jeff Zucker at CNN is losing his spot.
This, look, they're going to tell you that it's about this and it was a subordinate relationship, whatever.
That's not usually something that you see someone getting canned for.
Now, unless, however, this could be something where, and again, they keep using that word consensual, but, you know, could there be something to that there?
libby emmons
Could there be something to that?
Yeah, I think, I think there definitely could.
I also think that it's really interesting that, you know, this comes as there, as you were saying, as there's been so much controversy at the network, they don't know which way is up.
Their ratings have been terrible.
And, you know, nobody really wants to watch these guys complain anymore.
jack posobiec
I think that's fair.
Not only have they had numerous sex scandals just in the past six months, I think it's been Jeffrey Toobin, all right, who was caught on Zoom, right, performing very gratuitous acts in front of his co-workers.
He was given his job back.
Right, fully zoomed, right?
Fully zoomed.
Then we've got, of course, and James O'Keefe caught this on tape, Rick Salibi, who is a producer for Jake Tapper, one of the top producers for Jake Tapper, was caught making extreme solicitous and just gratuitous underage advances on an underage girl.
That to the extent of which I can't even talk about that on air because I don't think that's something that's absolutely family-friendly in the least.
Then you had another guy who was the producer for Chris Cuomo who was arrested for not only soliciting sexual acts of the minor but also trafficking someone federally across state lines.
I believe it was Colorado all the way up to Vermont paying for them to come up to the ski chalet. All of this is going on on Jeff Zucker's watch while their ratings are in freefall. Look, they know what's going on.
This ain't the CNN of the 1990s when they were out there in Baghdad while they were out there making their bones in the Gulf War. This has turned into a free for all under Jeff Zucker. And that's why he's getting the axe.
libby emmons
I think that's possible.
I don't think we know.
We don't know very much about it.
And perhaps there's going to be something more to this relationship.
Perhaps it wasn't quite as consensual as he said, or perhaps it ended badly.
Or perhaps the person who has brought this to the attention of CNN that is pushing him out has something else, you know, that they are with There's way more going on here.
jack posobiec
We are going to stick with this story as it develops because obviously this is something we're just literally hearing about it right before we come on air today.
But Libby, the reason that I wanted to bring you on And we were just, we were talking to folks that are up there in Alberta, we were talking to folks in Ottawa about this trucker uprising.
And it really is a worker uprising that's out there on the streets.
And my question though is, and this is something I like to talk to you because you're sort of the former, you know, former member of the left, kind of come from that world more so.
You've been a feminist in the past.
Explain why it is to me that This is something that the left talks about constantly.
We want the workers to rise up.
We want the workers to throw off the chains, right?
This is, you know, Marxist-Leninism textbook.
This is textbook Marxist-Leninism.
And suddenly when it actually happens, you've got people like Trudeau, the CBC, all these others, just smearing them, attacking them, trashing them, doing anything they can to go against them.
Explain to me the dynamics at play here, because I want to know what it's like to be inside the minds of one of these people while they'll say one thing, and then when they get what they want, they seemingly lose their minds.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think this has been a really interesting example of a power-hungry left that wants workers that they can control.
So the truckers that are in Ottawa now and the ones who've been protesting in Alberta, as we've been seeing over the past few days, are workers that are not able to be controlled by a left that is in bed with unions, right?
These truckers are not the ones who are going to team up and start giving a bunch of money to the Liberal Party.
They're not workers that are going to be picketing outside of Amazon warehouses.
These are individuals who want their right, who want the right to work on their own terms.
And that is not what the left is typically looking for.
They want workers that they can band together under a specific progressive banner with demands that match the demands of the progressive politicians who are looking for power.
They want union representatives who they can negotiate with and will lobby for power at executive levels.
And that's not what these guys are.
And I think that's pretty clear, especially if you look at the truckers union in Canada.
You know, the head of that union has given money to the Liberal Party in the past and is opposed to his own, you know, his own industry's workers rising up and taking a stand against these mandates.
Instead, he's backing the mandates.
And I think also it's interesting that that...
Yeah.
jack posobiec
What you're talking about, though, isn't that a realignment?
Are we now seeing a realignment in not just Canadian politics, but really American politics as well?
And I had Josh Hammer on, we were just discussing this, where you're now starting to see conservatives that are actually siding with the workers, and you're seeing liberals that are siding with sort of the ownership ruling class.
What's going on with that?
libby emmons
I, you know, I've noticed you talking about that quite a bit lately, Jack, and I find it really compelling, a compelling turn of events to find that conservatives at this point in the U.S.
are backing families and families' choices over their own decisions for their kids, where the left is saying, you know, the state owns your kids and the state gets to decide what's right for you and your family.
You're seeing conservatives backing working class people Um, whether it's independent workers and, you know, startup entrepreneurs who want to run their own businesses and determine their own lives and lifestyles, or whether it's these truckers who are, um, you know, really fighting back against executive orders.
It's true in Canada, just as it is in the U.S., that these mandates were done at the executive level.
It's not like the truckers can go to their MPs and say, You know, why'd you vote for that?
Because, you know, the MPs didn't vote for it.
These are executive mandates.
And I think that conservatives in the U.S.
and perhaps in Canada as well, have a real opportunity to say to the people at large, we're interested in you being able to live your life in the way that you choose, regardless of, you know, government restrictions on basic freedoms.
You know, we don't want any of that.
And I think it's a great opportunity To speak out and be the party of individual rights and the rights of, you know, the rights of people to live as they choose.
This is a huge issue and the progressives don't want Americans to be able to just live according to their own choices.
They want to dictate all of it, whether it's what you're learning in public schools or what your working conditions are going to be across the board.
And I think it's a really exciting time for conservatives in the U.S.
to take a new stand and be really for the people and with the people.
jack posobiec
Libby, we've got about 45 seconds left.
You are doing incredible work at Post Millennial.
You're covering this stuff.
Post Millennial is based out of Canada.
You're based out of New York.
Where can people go to follow you to keep up with all of this and just everything that you're doing on a regular basis?
libby emmons
We're at The Post Millennial, ThePostMillennial.com.
If you want to help us out, it's ThePostMillennial.com slash contribute.
Our Canadian editor is working around the clock on this stuff.
And he is Roberto Wakerill-Cruz at RobertoPedia on Twitter.
And I'm at Libby Emmons.
jack posobiec
Alright, thank you so much Libby.
Coming up next, I have to apologize to everybody because unfortunately we are going to be bringing on the one, the only Raheem Kassam.
I know, I know.
But I'll be there.
We'll hold each other's hands.
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jack posobiec
The fallout continues, and now of course we'll have to deliver the message to the Generalissimo that the scalp of all scalps happened the first time that Poso hosted the War Room.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Poso hosted the War Room one time, and Jeff Zuckerberg, or Jeff Zucker, the head of all of CNN, has resigned in disgrace today.
And I want to bring on Rahim Kassam, the original co-host here at War Room.
He's also the editor and publisher of The National Pulse.
Rahim, we are obviously in the thick of things and all of this, but you've been tweeting up a storm.
Give me your take.
What's going on?
What's the latest with this Jeff Zucker situation in CNN?
unidentified
Well, Jack, and it feels odd saying thank you for having me, but thank you for having me.
I published in December, at the end of December, an article by one of our writers, Kay Smythe, talking about CNN's institutional sex problem.
It walked through a bunch of different producers, executives and, of course, hosts who have had, you know, less than appropriate and sometimes criminal and sometimes even Well, fast forward, not even just over a month, really.
And we now see the fruits of Jeff Zucker's own behavior playing out here.
The article in effect concluded that the reason that so much of this was allowed to go on was because it was being presided over and ignored by Jeff Zucker.
Well, fast forward not even just over a month, really, and we now see the fruits of Jeff Zucker's own behavior playing out here.
Now, as far as we know it so far, the reporting is that Zucker has been having a years long affair with his chief marketing officer, Alison Gollast.
Now, the word affair I know will be tricky in this situation because I believe both of them are now single, but there is some reporting online that suggests that this actually started before they were and that this goes back multiple years.
Interestingly, Gollast is a...
Yeah, it is.
Interestingly, Golos is a former Democrat communications director.
I think actually worked for Andrew Cuomo at one point in time.
But as you know, this is breaking news.
It's obviously directly linked to you hosting today.
So congratulations.
jack posobiec
Yes, of course.
No, in all seriousness, you know, and we just talked about this in the last segment as well, but are we really supposed to believe that this is the reason that after everything that's going on, that Zucker is being given the boot?
That it's really because of an affair that apparently people knew about?
It was publicly reported years ago.
No, that's not what this is about.
Something else is going on behind the scenes.
Raheem, what is your contention?
Why is that?
And remember, this is AT&T, which has purchased out Time Warner.
They are now the parent company.
What's going on at the higher levels here?
unidentified
Well, you know, you ask a really interesting question because, of course, there's this Page Six article that is floating around right now.
I want to thank one of our researchers, Sandy, for flagging this for me just before I came on today.
Talking about how there was this heated exchange at a media party back in 2017, and the exchange was between Zucker and Golas.
And one of the quotes from the story actually says, I'm just pulling it up here, quote, it looked like she was reprimanding her husband or something.
So you're right.
This isn't new to a lot of people.
And actually, if you read between the lines of a lot of tweets and stuff that are coming out from CNN people right now, they're not actually acting like they didn't know this was going on all along.
So there's been this long standing impropriety with Zucker there.
The answer to your question, however, is far more simple, I think.
than a lot of the kind of sexual machinations that are going on at CNN.
raheem kassam
Of course, it's been an absolute disaster in a personnel regard, but CNN is an absolute disaster in terms of an investment for AT&T, for Time Warner, for their new partners Discovery, who curiously actually own a part of the recently right-wing, supposedly right-wing news channel GB News over in the UK.
unidentified
So CNN and GB News are kind of like sister organizations under this new parent company.
But if you're looking at the viewership figures, and the advertiser figures, and if you look across the board at personnel issues, Zucker has presided over just a cataclysmic period in CNN's history.
It is probably far more related to his utter failure as a president and CEO than it is, as you say, this known long-standing relationship.
jack posobiec
Well, interestingly enough is that I don't know if people realize this, but Jeff Zucker, he originally came from the reality TV world in the early, kind of mid to early 2000s.
And he was obviously well known as having worked on The Apprentice.
He's someone also, by the way, who was instrumental in what show Fear Factor, who is hosted by none other than, of course, Joe Rogan, that CNN has been spending, you know, months at this point going after.
They're trying to make him their new scapegoat.
They're basically trying to—they have a Trump-sized hole at CNN because they need someone to be constantly attacking, and they need someone whose statements they can take out of context, someone who they can misquote, then use to become this new boogeyman.
well for years and years of course that was Donald J. Trump but now they're trying Joe Rogan on for size and so he's become the new you know this is in 1984 when you have your two minutes of hate he's the new Emanuel Goldstein that you oh you have to listen to what Rogan did now listen what Rogan did here so Jeff Zucker again turn it turned on Donald Trump turned on Joe Rogan and yet has a background with both of them And I think that AT&T is saying, look, we don't want the circus to go on anymore.
We want to spin off CNN.
We want to sell this as its own company, and we don't want the Carnival Barker, the ringmaster, to be the guy there anymore.
unidentified
Yeah, and if it's not Rogan, Jack, it'll be Putin and, you know, the march to war that we're seeing taking place in real time right now.
I mean, Trump, Rogan, Putin, CNN apparently has some serious issues with masculine figures with five-letter Surnames.
But I think, you know, I want to draw just the attention back before we pivot to Ukraine to that hospital from last year.
I mean, there is a serious personnel problem at CNN that is that is not just we're not talking about office affairs at this point in time.
I mean, this includes people who have been convicted now on charges of pedophilia.
This entity organization, if this was happening anywhere else, people would be demanding a full and transparent investigation.
So I hope whoever comes in to replace Zucker actually goes through, actually puts us in more in touch with the truth as regards people like Don Lemon and what he is alleged to have done and all of the others there at CNN.
And I think that is the only way possible that CNN can clear its completely muddied name.
It's muddied in terms of journalism.
It's muddied in terms of morality.
It's muddied in terms of being in touch with the ordinary people that it professes to do the news on behalf.
If there is any coming back from CNN, it will require a full audit of what's been going on under Zucker.
jack posobiec
And now Rahim, I do want to pivot a little bit though because we've got leaked documents now out of Axios and it would be bereft of me to not mention this today that you have actual memo now from the Biden National Security Council on the day before the fall of Kabul.
And we talked about this at length here on this program.
These are the same people now who are trying to drive us into a war with Russia over the, you know, the inviolate sovereignty of the borders of Ukraine, right, which is apparently a core national interest of the United States.
You know, I walk up and down the street and, of course, people here are always asking me about the inviolate borders of the sovereignty of Ukraine.
And I go out to the store, I go out to Wawa, they say, oh, Jack, what do you think about the inviolate borders of the sovereign Ukraine?
So, walk me through this memo.
What is it that we're actually seeing?
What was the Biden administration doing in the final hours before the Taliban swept through, took Kabul, of course, and also the attacks that took place at that Kabul airport?
The 13 honored dead that Joe Biden couldn't even stand and salute as their bodies came off of the aircraft there at Dover Air Force Base.
He's looking at his watch while he's standing there in front of the families.
Tell us what they were doing in the final hours.
unidentified
Yeah, you know, it's really difficult to go over these details again, but we must and we must learn to understand what was taking place in those critical moments when people were worried about their lives.
People were worried about their families.
People are still, by the way.
Worried about their lives and their families.
You know, what are we?
Six months on now from the original evacuation.
People still stuck in Afghanistan and nobody wants to talk about it.
Nobody wants to get into the detail of all of this.
And of course, on, you know, I hate honking our own horns in this regard, but on August the 18th of last year, we actually did an exclusive story at the National Post and we talked about how Biden's State Department actually halted a Trump era crisis response team.
that was specifically being put together to deal with things like this and the detail of which we're seeing coming out from this Axios story right now from from Jonathan Swan and Hans Nichols.
So what does it tell us?
Well, the memo is actually included in the story as well.
It's a four page memo.
And what it effectively tells us is that while the Taliban was bearing down on Kabul, while the Taliban was making its final, not its first, but its final forays into creating that situation that a, of course, as you said, led to the death of U.S. servicemen in that country just this past year.
And while people were scrambling, we still remember those horrible images of people trying to get on the planes, all of that.
While all that was going on, these memos appear to reveal that actually there had been no crisis contingency planning.
There had been no scheme ready for when this eventually happened.
Remember, we were told for months and months the Taliban are bearing down, they're taking more territory, they're expanding their influence.
And yet, against all of that as a backdrop, the Biden regime was doing nothing to prepare for the inevitable.
Like, completely foreseeable fall of Kabul and Afghanistan to the Taliban.
So these memos are especially enlightening because what they do is they show that they were just at the beginning of making plans while the Taliban was already bearing down.
It proves that Biden lost to the Taliban.
jack posobiec
Well Rahim, when I take the memo that you had reported originally from the National Pulse about him cancelling the Trump evacuation plan, and then I take the memo that's just come out from the National Security Council, and you put those two memos together, you know what you get?
You get an article of impeachment.
And I think this actually does raise to the level of, look, there's a lot of scandals out there.
There's a lot of things that the Biden administration does that we don't like, right?
But this is an actual scandal.
This is an actual impeachable offense that regardless of who was president, if they committed this, if they committed these acts in tandem the way they did that resulted in our honored servicemen dying, coming home in boxes, in coffins, Flag-draped coffins.
When they cancelled the plan.
When you put it together, that's your article of impeachment right there.
And I know that Steve has been talking about what should be the first article, the second article, but I argue that if you put these two together, it's already pre-written for you.
You don't even need to add anything to it.
unidentified
Yeah, it's extraordinary to read some of the quotations in this Axios story as well.
I mean, we're talking on the record sources here.
I'll read one out real quick.
Quote, I kept being told by people in the White House the thing they were most concerned about was the optics of a chaotic evacuation, said Matt Zeller, a former CIA officer who contacted administration officials in February about protecting Afghans who worked with Americans.
They treated us like we were chicken little.
They didn't believe the sky was falling.
On the 13th of July, we offered to work with them to help evacuate our partners.
We all saw this disaster coming before the inevitable occurred.
They didn't get back to us until August 15th, the day Kabul fell.
Jack, if what all of this amounts to is an article of impeachment, then what that there amounts to is a witness.
jack posobiec
You've got your witnesses, you've got your hearings, the case is already pre-written.
Reem, we've got 45 seconds left. I'm going to bring on James Paulus in the next segment. We're going to get into Ukraine, the connectivity of this. Where can people go? Where can people get your coordinates? I know you're on assignment right now, but I appreciate you letting me keep the chair warm here. Yeah, I'm on assignment getting a tan.
unidentified
I'll be back this evening into Washington, D.C.
In the meantime, thenationalpulse.com.
If you want to stay ahead, we're months ahead, go to fundrealnews.com and you get into a private chat with us.
All right.
jack posobiec
Appreciate it, man.
Stay tuned.
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We are going to talk Ukraine.
We're going to talk China.
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Now we are just seeing an exclusive out of this morning, Axios.com has it, Josh Hawley has come in and finally said something that nobody else in America was willing to say.
He's calling on Joe Biden to drop support for Ukraine membership in NATO.
I haven't seen anyone taking such a bold line as this, and that's why I'm so glad that on the heels of that, we've got none other than the great James Paulus, the writer and the author of Human Forever, to come on to explain to us how all of this, Ukraine, Russia, China, Joe Biden, how it really is all connected.
Now James, you and I know each other from Claremont Institute, Where you've been writing for the American Mind and so much else.
But I really want to get your take on how all of the things we're seeing right now are completely connected.
james poulos
Thanks, Jack.
Well, you know, it all starts with, you know, the subtitle of my book is The Digital Politics of Spiritual War.
And in this context, you know, what it means is The rise of digital technologies has revealed that modern and postmodern answers to these ultimate questions about human life.
Why are we here?
Who are we?
Why should we suffer?
What's the point?
Modern and postmodern answers to those questions are failing in the face of the dominance of our world by robots, algorithms, AI, digital entities of all kinds, flying around, invisible, covering the world, passing in and out of our bodies.
Big stuff.
And so what that means is a theological sense of reality is returning in a major way.
There was a lot of thought that life would get more and more secular, that religion would kind of fade away as technology became more powerful.
That's not what's happening.
Instead, people are turning to religious frames of mind, religious perceptions, religious sensibilities in order to find some answers that they can count on about why we should bother going on remaining human beings at a time when technology has conquered the world.
Okay, so what does that mean in the context of Russia?
Well, we've got a number of, you know, really big countries, civilization states, that have really deep sort of primordial origins.
Their culture, their civilization, has been around for thousands of years, and their states, their governments, are basically the caretakers or the political establishments of those deep civilizations.
I'm talking like India, China, Israel, Russia is among that number, and then you got a few countries in Europe, and then I think arguably the US is its own civilization in its own right.
And so these major countries, you can add Japan to the list, it's a pretty short list.
These major countries, all of them that are serious digital players, are trying to use their country's deepest theological religious resources to establish digital sovereignty.
In other words, control.
We can't control our digital entities unless we use our deepest sort of religious resources in order to justify and explain to ourselves why we should bother carrying on, why we should be in charge at all.
jack posobiec
That's not what's going on in the West, right?
Because in the West you're told, as you said, that, you know, religion, that's ridiculous, and the fact that the Pesobics, that they've been, you know, Polish Catholics since time immemorial, that we say our rosaries every day, that, you know, that's just some quaint, hokey folk religion, and that you need to go and input your entire digital self into a computer because that's the way of the future.
But what you're saying is the opposite of that.
james poulos
Yeah, that's right.
So, you know, you look at the major, the big countries, how they responded to the triumph of digital technology.
And so in China, you got guys writing about how they need to make the bots Daoist, basically program the machines to embrace Daoism so that they can have, you know, peaceful, harmonious union of the cosmos and humanity.
Very deep Chinese stuff.
In Russia, their response to digital was to build an enormous military cathedral, the main cathedral of the armed forces.
Outside of Moscow and put out some really, you know, very shiny very pretty videos of this Cathedral along with the voiceover explaining that this announced and established a fundamentally new and closer relationship between the military and the church.
So, Russia's response to this is to go to its deepest resources of Russian Orthodoxy, Eastern Orthodoxy, and this is where the geopolitics comes into play.
Sounds like inside baseball, but it's really important.
Part of, in fact, I think the root of the conflict around Ukraine has to do with the fact that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church has tried to achieve a sort of breakaway in the ecclesiastical structure of the Orthodox Church from the Russian Orthodox Church.
And so you're getting support out of the U.S.-backed branches of Orthodoxy for that split, for basically prying away a chunk of the Orthodox Church from Russia for the purposes of turning that part of the church into a more Western-oriented branch.
So you've got the Ecumenical Patriarchate out of Constantinople that has thrown support behind so-called autocephalous, kind of independent Orthodox Church in Ukraine. You've got the Alexandrian Diocese out in Egypt. And so the US...
jack posobiec
Hey James, I hate to...
I hate to cut you off. We're coming up on one minute, but since you're talking about Orthodox, I wanted to bring in my own, very end of the show, but we've got actually a ringer on us, very special guest, my own Orthodox wife from Belarus, now former Soviet Union, now here in the United States, sweetheart.
Thank you and welcome to the program.
unidentified
Hi!
Hello, dear.
jack posobiec
So what do you think about this, sweetheart?
Should the United States go to war over all of this that we're seeing in Eastern Europe today?
unidentified
So I've been listening to many people giving their take, and to me, it's slightly different because I was born in that region.
I grew up in that area.
I have family still to this day in Belarus.
I have cousins in Russia.
I have cousins on the other side who live in Ukraine.
And at the end of the day, to me, those are all brothers and sisters.
And the only thing that I wish for everybody And the last thing you need is more war.
jack posobiec
We're just at the very end of the show, sweetheart.
Thank you so much, James.
We'll have you on more.
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