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chuck todd
If it's Tuesday, it's not an ordinary Tuesday.
This is a special edition.
Meet the Press Daily.
Meet the Midterms.
unidentified
Midterm election.
Midterm.
Major midterm election.
Midterm correction.
steve bannon
Midterms.
unidentified
Motivation controls midterms.
chuck todd
The fight for control of Congress, governors' mansions, and state houses coast to coast is now underway.
unidentified
The barriers they put in our way are not going to stop us from getting our way.
Can Democrats turn the tide as Republicans bet on a big wave?
I think you're going to see a big, big victory for Republicans in the midterms.
chuck todd
At stake?
Not just the Biden presidency, Democrats argue, but democracy itself.
Will the voters agree?
unidentified
I will allow no one to place a dagger at the throat of democracy.
We are the United States of America.
chuck todd
It's time to meet the midterms.
Any way for Democrats to change this trajectory, are they going to rely on Trump to do it for them?
Here's some of my interview on Meet the Press from Sunday with House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn.
What do you need from the President to improve Democrats' chances in 2022?
unidentified
I think he's on message.
Stay on message.
Don't let people get him off message.
You know, my father was a fundamentalist minister.
He used to say to me all the time, son, the darkest hour of the night is that moment just before dawn.
So yes, things may look dark.
Keep pressing.
chuck todd
As we know, John McCain had his own version of that when he'd say, it's always darkest before it goes totally black.
It was him apparently, or at least trying to make a joke in quoting Mao.
The question is, is this dark on its way to light?
I want to show you something that we're unveiling here.
We're calling it the Meet the Midterms Dashboard.
And what it's going to tell you is that it's going to tell you what shape, where we headed for the party in power.
We have four columns here.
Shellacking, as you can see, previous midterms, 2010, 2014, 94, 06, all midterms where one party, the party out of power, picked up seats in both chambers.
18 just missed being a shellacking because Republicans, while they lost a bunch of House seats, picked up a Senate seat there.
And then 98 and 02 were places where the party in power actually picked up seats.
So I'm going to show you how we determine this and how you can follow national poll numbers.
Basically, there are three poll numbers you can follow nationally that will tell you the likely shape of these midterm elections.
It's direction of the country, right track, wrong track, the presidential job rating, and the generic ballot.
Let me just show you what these numbers were In sort of three different types of election cycles.
I'll start with what a good election cycle for a party in power is.
This was President Bush's first one, right after 9-11.
The wrong track was under 50%.
A majority of the country thought we were heading in the right direction.
Presidential approval over 60%.
The generic ballot, the Republicans had a one-point advantage, and look what it turned into.
They picked up a Senate seat, which of course gave them the Senate, and they picked up eight House seats.
Now let's go to what President Obama called a shellacking.
If you will.
And that was in 2010.
Look what happened here.
Wrong track.
Well over 50%.
60% wrong track number.
Presidential approval was sitting at 45.
Congressional preference.
Republicans plus 2.
And look what it turned into.
63 House seats for the Republicans.
6 Senate seats.
They came up short in the Senate.
So it was a sense of surviving.
Now let me take you to 2018, which I hinted at before.
You can see these numbers.
Wrong track.
A little below what it was in 2010, as you saw there.
54 percent, majority thought we were in the wrong track.
Presidential approval was at 46.
It actually ticked up for Trump a little bit.
Maybe the reason why Republicans survived in that midterm in places like Georgia and Florida.
Congressional preference there, D plus 7, and it led to those House seats.
So all that, I give you all that background so that you can see where things stand now.
Our most recent NBC Wall Street Journal poll, excuse me, the NBC News poll at the end of last year, and I'll show you where things were.
So, on direction of the country, 70% wrong track.
That's in big time shellacking territory.
You look at the presidential job rating, as of our last poll here, hang on a minute, and as you can see, is approval sitting at 42.
Again, that would put Democrats in shellacking territory.
Let's take you to the generic ballot here.
Here are the Democrats plus two.
That puts you somewhere in no man's land.
A lot of strategists will tell you Democrats having anything three points or less for Democrats probably means Republicans pick up seats.
So they need to be in that five, six, seven point advantage for them to be in that in that area.
We're gonna have another NBC News poll coming out.
By the end of this week, we will update this.
But as you can see, those are the three numbers.
And right now, two of the three that we track are sitting there in shellacking territory.
steve bannon
Big time shellacking from the lips of Chuck Todd on the flagship on MSNBC and NBC's flagship political show, Meet the Press, with all the great music at the front.
Tim Russert's show.
It's been around, I don't know, 50 years.
The flagship show.
He goes to analysis, as you know, being part of the war room posse.
Those numbers are even worse, because what they did, they took the blended, which is the average.
When you break out the independents, it gets even worse.
Big time shellacking when you look at two of the three indicators they've got.
So we're going to get more into that.
Meet the Press, following the war room, kicked off today.
Chuck Todd kicked off his midterms.
His midterm coverage, and this is going to be intense, as we called it on January 1st, we said this is the valley of decision.
For the entire country, not just this election.
This election is going to be absolutely vital and important.
Chuck Todd, I think, said it's the most important midterm election, at least of this century, and probably more.
Okay, you're in the War Room.
It's Tuesday, 18 January, Year of the Lord 2022.
We've got a lot of breaking news today, and we've got to chop a lot of wood, so I want to go to immediately.
I had a whole rant.
On midterms, we're going to have to put a pin in that.
We're going to come back to that.
I want to go up to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and President Pro Tem of the Senate, Jake Corman.
Jake joins us today.
Senator Corman, you sent a letter to the House of Delegates or House of Representatives in the Commonwealth requesting they move on the impeachment of the District Attorney of Philadelphia.
It's a pretty dramatic move.
What's going on?
unidentified
Yeah, look, it's fairly unprecedented, and it's a sorry state that I had to take this position, but we have a crisis in Pennsylvania of crime.
Philadelphia broke an all-time record of murders this year.
Over 560 people were killed on the streets of the city of Philadelphia last year.
You know, there's just lawlessness everywhere.
Petty crimes aren't being prosecuted anymore.
It's hard to have a business in the city of Philadelphia.
That crime is now moving out, migrating out into the suburbs.
And you just have a district attorney who has the belief that he shouldn't be prosecuting crimes.
20% of the violent crimes committed with a gun were not prosecuted this year, or only 20% were prosecuted.
And of that 20%, less than 10% actually came up in a conviction.
Uh, so it's just a culture of violence in the city of Philadelphia.
Um, you know, I take this step very carefully because the DA was just reelected last November and you like the voters that take care of this.
Uh, but the residents and the, and the visitors and the people who work in the city of Philadelphia are citizens of the common law, uh, and the district attorney and the local officials aren't going to protect them.
Then the state needs to step in.
And so I think by the House beginning impeachment proceedings to begin to look and investigate this district attorney and his policies and how it's led to a culture of crime.
We had a young woman, or should I say a grandmother, who said she now has to teach her children how to drop, roll, and stay down every time they hear a gunshot.
Now imagine that in America today.
You know, we're not talking about Afghanistan.
You know, we're not talking about Iraq.
But in America today, grandparents are teaching their grandkids to drop, roll, and stay down when they hear gunfire.
That is a scary situation that we have in Philadelphia, and it takes leadership to change, and that's what I'm trying to provide.
steve bannon
I saw where, I think his name is Milan Lancourt, was a young man who lived near Temple University, a recent graduate engineering student, was walking his dog and stopped by a couple assailants.
They checked his pocket, I don't think he had a cell phone, was gunned down in cold blood.
It turns out one of the assailants, or at least alleged assailants, had just been incarcerated under suspicion of a violent crime, but let out for a de minimis bail.
Is that also part of the problem?
unidentified
A hundred percent.
Look, you had a carjacking that this person was with a gun.
This person was accused of.
The DA let him out.
And so what happens?
He does it again and he kills the student.
You know, here you are, you're a senior in college.
You're just about ready to start the rest of your life.
You're coming back to Philadelphia from break.
I was a Temple student at one point in time.
You know, I have a daughter in college.
How do we justify this to his parents?
That, you know, we had the perpetrator in custody and we decided, you know, And the DA decided to let him out.
It's just an unexplainable situation and just a tragic situation.
But I would imagine every one of those 560 plus murders that took place over the last year all have their own tragic story.
And this district attorney has said publicly, we don't have a crime problem in Philadelphia.
Former mayor of Philadelphia, Democrat, African-American, Michael Nutter, really took him to task in an op-ed piece, essentially accusing the DA of white privilege, that because these were black and brown kids were being murdered, that he didn't care.
So it's not just Republicans, that's Democrats as well, that think this DA has just made a culture of violence in Philadelphia, which is ruining the city.
steve bannon
He's an elected official, so I know people, particularly you're in a race to get the nomination for governor.
The attorney general is Attorney General Shapiro.
People might say, hey, this is Senator Cormier playing politics.
Did you reach out to anybody on the Democratic side?
Did you think about holding hearings?
I mean, it's a pretty dramatic move.
for the president pro tem of the senate just send the letters to the house and say hey you guys get off the dime here unless you should start uh look at the evidence look at the facts and start uh start uh impeachment proceedings against an election official in a city like as big as philadelphia one of the biggest cities in the country and most important cities in the world did you reach out to anybody was there any process or this just you had enough before i did this before i did this i talked to a lot of legislators both in and around philadelphia before i you know
unidentified
moved on this and and they were all very supportive uh they know what this community has become Look, this is a very public process.
It's a very public process that, you know, the House begins it.
They'll do their investigation.
They'll hold, you know, their process or ultimately file articles of impeachment.
Once they are ultimately passed by the House, if they are, it comes to the Senate for a trial.
And we'll need two-thirds of a vote.
So we'll need Democrats to vote to ultimately remove this DA from office.
And, you know, I would just hope that Democrats look at this as, you know, are we protecting sort of the Progressive movement, which everyone's scared of in the Democratic Party, or are we going to protect our communities?
Because clearly, almost two-thirds of the employees of the district attorney's office have left since he began as mayor.
Now imagine that.
Two-thirds of the attorneys in the DA's office almost have left employment at the DA's office because of the culture that he's created.
So you just bump them down the line.
It's a bad situation.
This is a drastic step and one I don't take lightly, but one that I thought was necessary.
steve bannon
Is this DA, one of the DA's that have been sponsored like in New York City and like in Los Angeles and now we're finding the state of Texas with this election situation?
Is he sponsored by Spor?
Is this a Soros guy?
unidentified
Yes.
I mean, he ran on that platform four years ago.
He won re-election, unfortunately.
But, you know, and again, we've always been very respectable to voters and this was their decision.
But, you know, this situation has gotten to such a crisis.
If people want to tell me I'm playing politics, I'll wear that as a badge of honor as long as it brings attention to this situation.
We are in a crisis in Philadelphia.
And as I said, it's migrating out past Philadelphia to the suburbs.
And as you said, I mean, now you're seeing in Manhattan, you're seeing in other states.
And people have to realize what the consequences are of these types of policies.
The consequences are just terrible.
There are tragic situations all over the place.
And it's time that we bring attention to it.
Time we put this on public display.
Through a hearing process, through ultimately a trial hopefully in the Senate, and so everyone can see what these policies and what these types of things are doing to Philadelphia, so hopefully it doesn't happen to other places around the country as well.
steve bannon
You would think, and I understand the structure in Philadelphia and the Commonwealth is different, but did you reach out to Attorney General Shapiro?
I mean, in the natural order of reporting up, and I understand technically it doesn't, but isn't this fall into the bailiwick of Attorney General Shapiro, and have you had a conversation with him?
unidentified
I have not had a conversation with him.
A couple years ago, we gave the Attorney General the ability, through legislative statute, to go in and take jurisdiction over cases in Philadelphia if he deemed appropriate.
He has not taken any action on that.
He's never gone in and exercised that power.
We've had U.S.
attorneys go in and take jurisdiction to try to get some convictions in the city of Philadelphia, but to date, the Attorney General has not exercised that.
Actually, that authority has run out, and we talked about whether we should renew it.
But since he never exercised his power, we didn't feel, you know, what was the purpose of renewing it?
steve bannon
We only got a minute here, but real quickly, you made it seem like the House is actually going to already, are you certain?
Do you have information?
Is the House definitely going to move on this?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't want to speak for the House.
I've had conversations with House members.
I've had conversations with House members who are drafting articles of impeachment, but ultimately that'll be a House decision.
I certainly hope that they will.
My letter was to say that I think this situation has become a crisis, and I think they should act, and ultimately it'll be their decision.
steve bannon
Yeah.
Okay, Senator Corman, real quickly, how do people find you on social media?
How do they find out more about you in this situation?
unidentified
My website is SenatorCorman.com, Facebook, Senator Jake Corman, and on Twitter, at Jake Corman.
steve bannon
Senator Corman, thank you very much.
We'll be following this closely.
unidentified
Thank you.
Good to be with you.
Take care.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
Short commercial break.
We're going to go to Mesa County, Colorado.
The election official, Tina Peters, in the War Room.
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Okay.
Chuck Todd started off with the midterm elections.
Remember, for the midterm elections, for the 100 seats, 100 years, and the win across the board in governorships and state legislatures, the House, the Senate, all of it, we've got to make sure that we have people who are prepared to run these elections as professionals.
People that are going to count the votes of American citizens.
Remember, everything that's certifiable, chain of custody, Legal has to be counted.
Anything that's not, is not going to be counted.
So no, Mark Elias and company, all votes don't count.
Okay?
Because we know what your definition of all votes is, and it's quite different than our definition of votes.
I want to go now, one of the hottest parts of contention of this, I want to go down to Tina Peters, an election official out there that's in a throwdown with the Secretary of State.
Tina, can he get you up to date?
Because the last time we left you, you had the FBI in your house.
They were going through the effects of your American patriot son that gave his life for his country.
You're a Gold Star mother.
But you don't back down.
And right now, I guess another lawsuit got filed today.
They're also trying to work out some arrangement with you legally to actually keep you around.
Tell the audience exactly what's going out in Mesa County, you and this fight you're having with the Secretary of State.
unidentified
Well, Steve, this is an attempt, a deliberate attempt, to get me to shut up and go away.
As you said, they've, well, for the last election, they banned me from my elections office.
I haven't been accused of a crime.
They are, uh, now they're trying to do it for the 2022 year, election year.
And, um, it's just, they've fired my staff.
Uh, they've charged my staff with crimes that they haven't committed, felony crimes just for coming into the office.
Uh, they've barred my staff from working in other departments.
So it's just, then they, then they tried, like you said, the FBI and, um, You know, some of the things they've done, we'll be able to talk to you about it on other shows, but it's just egregious what they're doing.
Now they are, the Secretary of State wants to further bar me from doing my job, which the people elected me to do.
And she's calling that I have performed some inside attack for Uh, bringing to light that 29,000 election records were deleted off the Mesa County server.
And, uh, the second report is coming out probably the end of this week.
That's going to show even more egregious acts done by, uh, the voting vendor and the secretary of state.
There's a grand jury that has convened to, and we've asked, I've asked to present my evidence as well.
And it's crickets.
steve bannon
Okay, I just want to make sure people understand here.
You have not been charged with any crime to date, correct?
unidentified
No, I have not been charged.
steve bannon
They're working on it.
unidentified
They're trying to find something.
steve bannon
When you say that she says there's an inside attack, this was an inside attack, that phrase, where do you get that from?
Did she say that publicly?
Did she tell you that personally?
Did that come to you from somebody who said they heard her say it?
How do you know she said that this was an inside attack?
unidentified
A reporter just told us that that's the line she's taking right now because I decided to shed light on election irregularities.
steve bannon
You said there's another report, there's already 29,000 that you say, hey, she ordered, I think it was Dominion or one of these companies to dump them.
And your point should be that according to the law, they've got to be retained for a certain number of time.
You said there's another report that's going to come out, so you're going to be a bigger bombshell.
Who's doing that report?
Is it the Secretary of State or your people?
Who's doing that report?
unidentified
There are people, cyber experts, that are still analyzing the image.
Uh, that I took, which is not against the law.
It was a snapshot of the system.
Um, and you know, like anything, anyone that you want to break down, they came to me with a deal.
The secretary of state basically said in writing that I could regain my access to my elections department if I agreed to say these exact words.
And just so I get them right, I'm going to read them for you.
Quote, I hereby fully and completely repudiate, retract, and disavow the statement I made during a Facebook Live broadcast in which I stated, we've got to get those machines so they are transparent to the people.
It was, it was also a condition of her deal that I agree to use Dominion voting systems going forward.
And I said, no, I said, Dominion can compete with every other company To see whose system is best and most secure.
I announced I was rejecting her deal, her offer last Friday, and announced I was running for re-election.
Today, the Secretary of State sued to have me removed.
So these are the tactics of a dictator, Steve.
That's why we call her Gestapo Griswold.
Weaponize law enforcement.
Terrorize your political opponent.
Yeah.
steve bannon
I just want to make sure the audience has this right.
They offered you a proposal and the only two conditions of that proposal is that you would officially read or put a statement out that you just read under your name and that you would not block the Dominion system from being used in the 2022 elections in Colorado.
Is that basically the two conditions and you could have your position back?
unidentified
No, no, no.
There was a laundry list of conditions.
The other conditions were that one of my employees would now become my boss.
And I hired her a year ago.
She would become my boss.
She would supervise me.
She would, I would not have badge access to my office, my elections office.
I would have to ask permission to go in and she would have to accompany me at every step of the way.
I could not be around any of the voting equipment, voting machines, anything like that.
I basically, I could not do my job.
She for that she's getting a $10,000 raise making almost a hundred thousand a year and She's just not fit to do this and Then on top of that they want to bring in my opponent former opponent who tried to launch a recall against me as a supervisor and also a another gentleman who is friendly with the Democrat
Attorney General and and General Griswold.
So she's named off her favorite to take over my office.
steve bannon
We've only got a couple minutes here, but I just want to go to the lawsuit that was filed to you against you today.
What is the biggest charge in that lawsuit?
unidentified
Well, she's so she had effectively through a judge, a local judge here that didn't even look at the facts.
She ruled that I could not oversee the 2021 election.
That is supposed to be over the well, it's supposed to be over November 30th, but they extended it because they were doing all these other made up things.
And so now this is supposed to extend that order by suing me now for all of 2022, which is which, as you know, is a very important election year.
steve bannon
You said you're going to stand for re-election.
This is the normal re-election cycle.
When would that be?
Would that be a primary in what, June, July, or August?
Or is it the general election in November 22nd?
unidentified
Yes, I do have a primary opponent so that I will be going to caucus and through the assembly process and then June 28th is the primary.
When I win there, then I will go on to the general election in November.
You know, these things just make me and the people around me even more determined because we haven't done anything wrong, Steve.
All we've done is expose the light to these things she's done, deleting the election records and that sort of thing, and trying to cover up for these machines and the capabilities that they have.
To influence an election.
steve bannon
What I think we want to do is get you back on tomorrow or the next day and get your lawyer on here and go through some details.
I know the audience wants to know this and understand it.
One last thing.
When you say they've paneled a grand jury, have you gone to the local authorities and have you volunteered to go before the grand jury and lay your case out?
unidentified
Absolutely.
I did ask and it's been crooked.
steve bannon
Okay.
Okay, a lot of breaking news in Mesa County.
Tina Peters sued today.
There's obviously a brawl there.
And knowing Tina Peters, the gold star mother, whose son gave his life for his country in the line of duty, she's not going to back down.
As you know, she's a fighter.
So Tina, how can people follow this?
I know you're up on social media a lot.
How can people follow you on social media?
Where do they go to meet Tina Peters?
unidentified
Right.
They can go to my standwithtina.org website, and there they can donate.
I appreciate the prayers.
We're on Getter, just Tina Peters at Getter, and also on Twitter and Facebook.
steve bannon
If people want to donate to your legal fund, they go to Stand with Tina, correct?
unidentified
Van with Tina, yes.
Tina Peters, thank you for joining us in the War Room.
steve bannon
I appreciate it.
Yes ma'am, we'll make sure we have you back on tomorrow or the next day.
Thank you so much.
Hang in there.
An American patriot, Tina Peters, not going to back down one inch.
Okay?
Not an inch.
Short commercial break.
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We're going to try to get the armor-piercing shell on here tomorrow or the next day.
And for all the audience, because I see things are blowing up in the chat rooms, we are going to get Tina Peters back on and get her lawyer and kind of walk through this thing so that it becomes clear what the bid and the ask are out there in Colorado.
But clearly, she's in a real throwdown with the Secretary of State.
Okay.
This Sunday, okay, Friday is the March for Life in Washington, D.C.
Normally draws 500,000 to a million people.
It was canceled last year because of the CCP virus.
It's going to take place on Friday.
We're going to have a bunch of key people starting on the Thursday night show and also Friday on that, including Father Frank Pavone.
We're also going to have on Sunday, there's a massive rally here on the mandate situation.
Of course, Washington, D.C.
now is essentially in lockdown if you're Unvaccinated so executive orders by the mayor and so they have a massive rally but it's for mandates about vaccine mandates all over.
Supposedly the talk about tens of thousands hundreds of thousands could be very big every prominent speaker.
In that part of the movement, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Dr. Malone, all of them are going to be there.
And we're going to be covering this thing.
So the 23rd on Sunday, 1130 a.m.
at the Washington Memorial.
I want to go to Amsterdam.
Ava Vlaardingerbroek joins us.
She's kind of part of our team now to keep an eye on what's happening.
Look, 350,000 people in Germany yesterday.
Big rallies in Amsterdam.
You've got the 1 February is upon us in Austria.
As we say, what, six months, 90 days, 60 days.
Europe's ahead of us and then it comes here.
Eva, what exactly is going on over there right now?
eva vlaardingerbroek
We're seeing massive protests right now, because as you said rightly so, February 1st is a very important date for us here in Europe.
Austria is the first country in Europe that's set to enforce compulsory vaccination, so active compulsory vaccination, meaning you'll be illegal by just merely existing as an unvaccinated person and you have to pay fines.
in order to basically pay off your existence to the state as an unvaccinated person.
More on that later.
Here right now in your screen, you can see Amsterdam.
This was last Sunday.
We've had an amazing turnout and this protest went completely fine.
Last time I was on your show, we talked about the protests a week ago or two weeks ago in Amsterdam where excessive police violence was used against protestors because the protest was banned.
This one was not banned and as you can see there's nothing clearly going on.
There are no rioters, the protesters are completely peaceful.
There are just so many people in Europe right now who go out to fight for their freedom because that's what this is.
These are people, and there are people all over the world that are very worried about our freedom, about our constitution.
It's constantly being violated, and we all have to walk together to prevent this tyrannical regime from taking place basically everywhere around the world.
steve bannon
Ava, Atlantic Magazine, one of the most prominent journals over here, and particularly ideologically, kind of the railhead of the left, Politicians worldwide have declared war on the unvaccinated.
That's from their new story.
And the subtitle is As Patients with Pandemic Wanes, Leaders in Widely Vaccinated Democracies are Deploying a New Political Strategy.
Basically go to war against for public health reasons.
So when you say it's about your liberty and about your freedom and the people and the sovereignty movement over in Europe, what about the counter argument?
What about the argument that this is a public health crisis and that you guys just need to become team players and you've basically got to consent?
What say you, Eva?
eva vlaardingerbroek
Yeah, I wonder who buys that by now.
I mean, you would really have to have your head in the sand to still believe that this is about public health.
Of course, that's the pretext they use because it sounds good.
But all the facts, all the data, points in a different direction. We know now with Omicron that it spreads more around the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. So saying this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated is just complete nonsense, is not factual. And this is in fact a sort of narrative that all of these European leaders or leaders around the world, you know, we've seen it with Biden, we've seen it with Trudeau, we've seen it with Macron saying that people who don't get don't get vaccinated are irresponsible and shouldn't be considered a citizen.
This is definitely, definitely targeted towards the unvaccinated.
And I think I know why.
steve bannon
Ava, real quickly, a senior official in the German government has basically said or not basically said that if you're unvaccinated, you're an enemy of the state.
What say you, ma'am?
eva vlaardingerbroek
Yes, so this is the new this is a new thing that they're doing.
They're not only saying that we are critical of the state, we're saying that by being critical of the state, you are a threat to the state, an enemy of the state.
It's basically the same sort of rhetoric that Macron is using, right?
So if you make people who are critical of you, or if you label them, if you deem them a national threat to security, you can take legal action against them.
So this is just the next step in this censorship, in basically silencing these voices, And that's not just, you know, limited to the realm of social media.
This is legal action.
So we're heading towards something.
I want to say that these people are out there fighting against the tyrannical regime that they're trying to put in place, but they're already kind of there when they're labeling people who are critics of the state as enemies of the state.
steve bannon
Ava, how do people get to you on social media?
How do they follow you, your writings and your thinking?
eva vlaardingerbroek
They can find me on Getter, Instagram and Twitter all under Eva Vlaar.
And I have a Stubsteq blog on which I will write all about this.
So if you want to know what the differences are between America and Europe and what the rules are here, you'll find them on my blog.
steve bannon
And you're going to be on Tucker Carlson tonight at 8 o'clock.
Do you know what time you're going to be on?
eva vlaardingerbroek
Yes, I think probably around 8.30.
steve bannon
Okay, I want everybody to watch Tucker tonight.
Ava's going to be there.
Ava, thank you very much for joining us here in The Worm today.
Appreciate it.
unidentified
Thank you for having me, Steve.
steve bannon
I want to introduce James O'Keefe, a guy who needs no introduction.
I've had the honor of knowing him with Andrew Breitbart, what, 10, 12 years ago.
One of the most important patriots, not just in this country, but in the world, for the work he's done.
He's got a book out, American Muckraker, Rethinking Journalism.
For the 21st century.
It's a mush read.
And this is a guy you've got to get to know better and really young people should use him as a role model.
First off, James, when you talk about the sometimes rethinking journalism for the 21st century, weren't you just and it's just been announced that Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell and Jenna Ellison have gotten subpoenas from the 6th January committee.
Weren't you just rousted out of bed by the FBI and handcuffed a couple of weeks ago?
So are you are you an enemy of the state?
Like they're designating people that are fighting these vaccine mandates in Europe.
Are you an enemy of the state, James O'Keefe?
james okeefe
Well, I mean, I'm an American journalist, and I think that's a Rubicon we've never crossed before in American history.
Perhaps you have to go back to the 1960s and the Pentagon Papers case for the FBI to execute a search warrant against an American journalist and seize my phones, citing crimes such as accessory after the fact for a source to transmit me a document If they make that a criminal act, then they'll have to put all of the New York Times and Washington Post reporters in handcuffs because that's what they do every day inside their newsrooms.
But journalism is dead.
It's up to citizens to do the job.
This book, American Mockraker Steve, it took me five years to write.
I've known you for over a decade.
I've known you since the days of Andrew Breitbart.
So this book is really an intellectual deep dive into the history of journalism and how we got here.
steve bannon
When you say journalism's dead, and you and Andrew were on Citizen Journalism, you know, 10, 12 years ago, with ACORN and everything you guys were doing together when Andrew first met you.
When you say journalism's dead, what do you mean?
Define that for this audience.
james okeefe
Well, journalism, you know, I call it muckraking, is defined as printing what somebody else does not want printed, or keeping secret, making public disclosures from powerful officials that want to keep these things secret for the wrong reasons.
What happened, you know, many years ago is that journalists used to rake the muck, they used to challenge those in power, and now they seem to represent those in power.
For example, you have the New York Times working in concert with the FBI, in my case, and they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.
They run away from the podium with a megaphone, amplifying what those in power say, and the whole point of journalism is to question those in authority, ask questions.
And there's a lot of reasons for that, some economic, some political, some historic, the consolidation of media, the decimation of the newspapers.
But these days, there are a lot of people on the inside of these institutions, Steve, whistleblowers, brave people, that they really have nowhere to go.
And we provide that forum to them.
So there's a chapter in this book called Insiders.
We talk about whistleblowing since the days of Daniel Ellsberg.
And now you have brave people inside the Defense Department and other places.
Coming to Project Veritas with these documents.
So it's really a how-to book on how to tell the truth, how to do journalism in a clown world, which is where we find ourselves these days.
steve bannon
Look, part of it is obviously with the domestic terrorism things and other things you've broken over the last couple weeks have been pretty blockbuster.
But one of the things you do that's unique that nobody else does, and no newspaper does it, because it takes too much time and effort, your undercover teams that go in, I'll be brutally frank, what you've done on social media, and particularly senior executives at these organizations, that you've gotten in these settings where they think they're very comfortable Talking to people and you've got them on the record on tape has been to me some of the most blockbuster investigative reporting I've seen.
Can you walk us through how difficult it is to pull it because that to me separates O'Keefe from anybody else in the world.
That stuff is absolutely not just gold, it's stunning and it also how the media doesn't want to deal with it.
They want a memory holder right away.
Talk to us about the logistics of actually getting that type of deep investigative reporting.
We're actually getting plants inside these organizations.
james okeefe
Well, when I met you, Steve, with Andrew, shortly after Andrew's death, coming in 10 years ago, Veritas' whole model was to try to infiltrate.
We had to get on the inside.
Undercover work is all about access.
You have to build rapport with someone, get them to trust you, so they'll spill the beans.
And in the last few years, something different happened, because it was very hard to do that, to get inside an organization like Pfizer Pharmaceutical.
I mean, you spend a lot of time.
For the Democracy Partners story we did in 2016, We had to go undercover, we had someone had to make a donation, that person had to have this fictitious niece, that niece had to build rapport with Bob Kramer.
All of this happened, and it was an extraordinary piece of investigative reporting.
And I was inspired by the stories of the Chicago Sun-Times in the 1970s.
These guys bought a bar called The Mirage, aptly named The Mirage.
The reporters pretended to be bartenders.
You had people like Upton Sinclair, who reported on the Chicago meatpacking yards.
Many other stories, William Gaines being a janitor inside the hospital.
Some of our stories involved walking right into an organization like Acorn off the street, they didn't know us from Adam, dressed as a prostitute and saying you want to start a child prostitution racket.
Others, stories like David Lydon's story in The Planned Parenthood took three years and involved cover stories and aliases.
And the reason why we did undercover work, Steve, and some of these Undercover operations are quite elaborate, is because it's a question of relative deception.
And I talk about this in this chapter called Deception.
People say, James O'Keefe lies.
James O'Keefe deceives the subject.
And my retort to that is, well, you have a question to make.
You can either present yourself as something you're not, to elicit the truth, to broadcast the truth to the audience, or you can identify yourself as a journalist, and thus willingly pass along lies to the audience, because you can't go to the Department of Defense Or to the HHS?
Or do Pfizer Pharmaceuticals say, hey, I'm a journalist.
Tell us about all the fraud you're committing.
That's just ridiculous.
So the paragon of investigative journalism somehow changed in the last 30 years.
And what's changed about Project Veritas in the last three years is I no longer infiltrate these organizations, Steve.
People on the inside come to me.
They already have the access.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
steve bannon
Okay, just hang on for one second.
We're gonna hold James.
He's been good enough to hold through this break.
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The book is American Muckraker, Rethinking Journalism for the 21st Century.
The author is the founder of Project Veritas, one of the most controversial individuals in this country.
This book is the seminal book on this mass movement of citizen journalism.
Why is it a mass movement and why is it away from the media elites?
And does this have a future?
Is this something that's going to be more than just a flash in the pan?
Do you believe that the future of what you represent, James, what you've spent a decade of your life doing, that you represent the future of journalism?
And the New York Times and MSNBC, the Washington Post, Tom Hamburger.
Because remember, when Bezos took over the Washington Post, the very first thing he said in his interview, he says, hey, a guy like Tom Hamburger or that great investigative unit spends six months, maybe they have a dry hole, but they maybe do an investigative report that works.
It's in the paper, but then people are linking to it or they're blowing it out and taking it for their own.
That's not a business model I support.
So are you the future?
Are you the future of journalism or is Jeff Bezos in the Amazon Washington Post the future of journalism?
james okeefe
Let me just say that there's only one truth.
steve bannon
By the way, the Washington Post would love to mute you.
They would love to mute you.
Don't do it yourself.
So is Bezos the future or is O'Keefe the future?
james okeefe
I think it's a great question.
And I think there's, I would quote my friend Laura Loeb, and there's only one reality.
There's only one truth.
You're not entitled to multiple realities.
So I think what motivates citizens is that things are not as they seem and often not what they should be.
And Jeff Bezos, I know he bought the Washington Post, and I quoted him in this book saying that's the best achievement of his life.
He said that was the best thing that ever happened.
But as society drifts away, and when they describe these events, and it's so different than the way things actually are, I'll give you one quick example.
The New York Times published my attorney-client privilege document, Steve.
The New York Times is obsessed with Project Veritas.
They've done some dozen front-page hit pieces this year.
And one of the articles read, documents show how far Project Veritas' deceptive reporting practices could go before running afoul of federal laws.
You know another way to say that?
We checked with lawyers to make sure everything we were doing was legal.
So the way they word things, and you know that this is the game that they play, and we have breaking news, I'm breaking this on your show because we just found this out from a FOIA request, now it turns out the FBI has been communicating, the Department of Justice, communicating with Pfizer about Project Veritas.
Why in the world is the FBI talking to Pfizer, apparently, about me?
So you ask, is this the future?
There's nowhere else for these whistleblowers to go.
They can't go to the Washington Post.
They can't go to Bezos's rag because his rag represents those in power.
They work in symbiosis with the authorized knowers.
They relay to us what they want us to hear.
And the whole point of investigative reporting is to challenge those, to bite the hand that feeds you.
So it's a movement It's a populist movement insofar as people on the inside are following their conscience.
You have two decisions.
You can follow your conscience, and in which case you might lose your livelihood.
Or you can survive at any price, to quote the late Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and go against your conscience.
And I think increasingly citizens are following their conscience no matter what.
And they're finding there's life after whistleblowing.
Look at Project Veritas this year.
Most of these people have raised enough money, $500,000 each of them sometimes.
And they care so much about exposing what's going on.
So my prediction, Steve, and I'm an optimist, I'm hopeful, and I told this to you last week when we broke the documents inside the Department of Defense showing Anthony Fauci lied about gain-of-function research, is there's going to be a kind of revolution of whistleblowers and truth-tellers that have nowhere else to go, so they make these exposures public and the content is king and it trends on places like Twitter, even though we're banned on Twitter, and Getter.
We're on gutter, but the stories will trend on places that censor us because the stories are that compelling.
steve bannon
I want to make sure, the breaking news here, there were 40 requests, the FBI is in discussions with Pfizer, right, the dark star about James O'Keefe.
Real quickly, James, Mike Wallace, when 60 Minutes first came up, it was the go-to place for investigative journalism.
Would Mike Wallace, if he looked today at 60 Minutes in place on Sunday, or what James O'Keefe does at Project Veritas, who would Mike Wallace say is my heir as an investigative reporter, James O'Keefe?
james okeefe
Well, it's what he'd be allowed to say.
Perhaps he would say something in private that is different than what he says in public.
Steve, the majority of the reporters that we covertly record, for example, people inside CNN, the New York Times, criticize their place of business.
They just won't say so publicly.
And I would say Mike Wallace would probably condemn what's going on, and he would admire the private citizens, the private whistleblowers, the reporters, but he can't say that publicly.
And I think we have a choice to make as Americans.
Do you want to survive at any price?
Are you willing to live by lies?
Do you want to live in a world where the lie is a permanent form of existence and betrayal becomes a permanent form of existence like the Soviet Union?
So this book is a serious book, Steve.
There's 700 footnotes in it.
I talk about secrecy, privacy, deception, suffering, and what it will take to endure these trials.
And I encourage everyone to pick it up.
It's a how-to manual about how to do journalism in clown world.
steve bannon
American Muckraker by James O'Keefe, the founder of Project Veritas.
James, in 30 seconds, how did they get to social media, and do you have any events scheduled that the public should know about?
james okeefe
There's a book launch event in Miami, Florida.
It's January 29th.
We have a lot of special guest speakers.
January 29th, Miami, Florida.
You can pick up a ticket there at ProjectVeritasExperience.com.
That's ProjectVeritasExperience.com.
This book, American Muckraker, you can pick it up anywhere online.
They sell books.
It's currently ranked around 20 or 30 worldwide on Amazon.
So I encourage people to pick it up.
Thank you, Steve.
I've known you for over a decade.
We're just getting started.
I'm very hopeful and I'm optimistic about the future in this country.
steve bannon
Brother, as long as we got guys like you on our side of the football, we're gonna do okay.
American muckraker, James O'Keefe.
American hero, American patriot.
We will see you tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
Back in the War Room.
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