Jan. 12, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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| Welcome back to Squawk Box. | ||
| Rick Santelli here with the first big inflation breaking news of 2022. | ||
| Our December read on the Consumer Price Index, CPI. | ||
| Headline number expected up four-tenths, a little hotter up five-tenths, but that's definitely much cooler than the high water mark which has been Up nine-tenths. | ||
| That was the highest in 13 years in October. | ||
| And if we look at ex-food and energy, that was up six-tenths. | ||
| And currently, well, six-tenths isn't the high watermark. | ||
| We have come down a bit. | ||
| The high watermark was up nine-tenths. | ||
| That was in April and June. | ||
| Those were 40-year highs, so we have come down a bit. | ||
| Now, here's the big numbers. | ||
| Year over year, headline is up 7%. | ||
| 7%. | ||
| That is the highest since 1982, June to be specific, when it was up 7.1. | ||
| When the planner is a government official, like yourself, who rules by mandate, the errors are compounded and become much more harmful. | ||
| A planner who believes he is the science leads to an arrogance that justifies, in his mind, using government resources to smear and to destroy the reputations of other scientists who disagree with him. | ||
| In an email exchange with Dr. Collins, you conspire, and I quote here directly from the email, To create a quick and devastating published takedown of three prominent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford. | ||
| Apparently there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists at Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford. | ||
| And you quote in the email that they were from Dr. Collins and you agree that they are fringe. | ||
| And immediately there's this takedown effort. | ||
| A published takedown though, you know, doesn't exactly conjure up the image of a dispassionate scientist. | ||
| Instead of engaging them on the merits, you and Dr. Collins sought to smear them as fringe and take them down. | ||
| And not in journals, in lay press. | ||
| This is not only antithetical to the scientific method, it's the epitome of cheap politics and it's reprehensible, Dr. Fauci. | ||
| Do you really think it's appropriate to use your $420,000 salary to attack scientists? | ||
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People are going to freak out over this 7% number, but should they? | |
| Because we have a really strong economy. | ||
| Look, we have a really strong economy, but the truth is, I don't, look, I would never encourage anybody to freak out. | ||
| I think this is challenging, I think it's troubling, I think anybody who's gone to the pump, who's gone to the supermarket, who's tried to buy a car in particular, whether used or new, knows that there's a problem. | ||
| And clearly we have seen wage inflation, which you would think is a good thing, but not Really relative to what's actually happening, which is the cost have gone up and completely outpaced that. | ||
| So we have an issue here. | ||
| It probably is going to get worse before it gets better. | ||
| And so much of this remains a supply issue, not just, you know, chip shortages and all of those conversations we've been having, but actually a people shortage. | ||
| We've talked a lot about the Great Resignation. | ||
| That is an issue that is creating a lot of these inflationary forces on cost. | ||
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And that's what I don't understand, Jason. | |
| Prices are up on almost everything, and at the same time, you've got millions of people saying, take this job and shove it. | ||
| I don't need the stability of a regular paycheck. | ||
| I'm going to do something else, or I think I can find other work that pays more. | ||
| How do you square the two? | ||
| You know, Stephanie, I don't think anyone fully knows the answer to that. | ||
| That's why I'm asking. | ||
| The unemployment rate is pretty low, which is to say people who want jobs have jobs. | ||
| The issue is there's still lots of people who don't want jobs. | ||
| The labor force participation rate hasn't come close to recovering. | ||
| I think some of that continues to be the fallout of COVID and the way it's affected people psychologically and the like. | ||
| Nervousness about getting back in jobs. | ||
| Some of it is people got some extra cash last year and so they don't need to be in quite as big a rush. | ||
| I expect that to solve itself over the next few months. | ||
| But I don't think anyone fully understands what's going on, so it's hard to be confident about when and whether those people will be coming back. | ||
| Will you commit today to release all records fully unredacted by the end of this week so Congress and the American people can know the truth about NIH's role and the origins of COVID-19? | ||
| So again, Senator, it really pains me to have to just point out to the American public how absolutely incorrect you are. | ||
| What came out last night on Project Veritas was a grant that was submitted to DARPA. | ||
| Then it distorted and said, we funded the grant. | ||
| We have never seen that grant and we have never funded that grant. | ||
| So once again, you are completely and unequivocally incorrect when you join the DARPA proposal Was a grant that we never saw and we did not fund. | ||
| So, you are incorrect, Senator. | ||
| Our social media will have all the supporting documents and we'll be supporting these through the record as well. | ||
| You are, you're backing down on this? | ||
| Why don't we go and look at the veritas statement? | ||
| They were talking about a grant that was submitted to DARPA. | ||
| Are you saying this was not, are you saying that this was viral gain-of-function research? | ||
| I'm telling you that you're saying that we funded the DARPA grant. | ||
| Are you saying that this was not viral gain-of-function research? | ||
| By the definition that you are very well aware. | ||
| Your P3CO definition is just a legal ease to get away that allows you to do the viral gain of function studies. | ||
| Senator Marshall, if you'll please allow the witness to respond. | ||
| Senator, we know, and misinformation, that the guide rails for what can be done or not were not established by me. | ||
| They were established by a three-year process led by the Office of Science and Technology Policy of the White House. | ||
| And decided by you in a secret meeting at the White House in December of 2019. | ||
| Senator, that is incorrect, and this refers exactly to what I was talking about in response to Senator Rand Paul. | ||
| You are incorrect completely, and every time I try to explain... You keep saying you're incorrect, but the facts are on my side. | ||
| Why will you not commit to sharing everything, open, unredacted, with this Congress? | ||
| So here's an example... ...battling Republican senators in a Senate hearing yesterday. | ||
| Reverend Al Sharpton and Kattie Kaye are still with us. | ||
| Joining the conversation, we have MSNBC contributor Mike Barnicle with us. | ||
| Yeah, it's just, well, Mike, I just, we've seen Democrats and we've seen government servants being attacked by Grifters, who are trying to use the public health crisis to raise money for their campaigns. | ||
| We've seen them on the attack more lately. | ||
| Joe Biden on January the 6th, more aggressive pose. | ||
| Joe Biden yesterday, very aggressive. | ||
| I think, in my opinion, too aggressive. | ||
| Don't throw around Bull Connor and Jefferson Davis, too aggressive. | ||
| And then you have Anthony Fauci there. | ||
| That said, we talked earlier, this is the phase of sort of the Harry Truman phase. | ||
| Last year we were talking about how Harry Truman worked with Republicans to pass the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan. | ||
| But I think we've officially turned the page to the give them hell Harry Chase 1948 running against the Duke. | ||
| What they're going to say is what a tough guy Fauci is for trying to stand up for all of his malfeasance. | ||
| Yesterday, and remember we said, hey, yesterday was an inflection point. | ||
| You saw the United States Senate. | ||
| This is what life's going to be like every day, and particularly after we take over in November, okay? | ||
| Well, thank you, Steve, for having me here on short notice. | ||
| the American muckrakers of the book, James O'Keefe, the founder of Project Veritas. | ||
| James, tell us about it's Marshall. | ||
| Senator Marshall actually put your material into the congressional record and going after Fauci. Walk us through what you guys found. | ||
| Why is it important? Why is Fauci lying? | ||
| Well, thank you, Steve, for having me here on short notice. | ||
| Yeah, this was I was there in the Senate building. | ||
| I actually met with Senator Marshall yesterday, and Fauci was discussing Project Veritas by name. | ||
| He appeared to authenticate these documents, actually. | ||
| There's no question in our mind that these documents are real. | ||
| Some people have questioned whether they're real. | ||
| We know that they're real. | ||
| This is from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. | ||
| It's an unclassified document that Project Veritas obtained. | ||
| For those of you who are not familiar with DARPA, it's a part of the Defense Department, Pentagon. | ||
| And this is a Marine Corps major who authored this document. | ||
| And in this document, it basically confirms that the proposal to proceed with this research was to this gain of function research was too dangerous. | ||
| So we obtained these documents from a former DARPA fellow, DOD's research wing. | ||
| This was a letter from Major Joseph Murphy to the Inspector General. | ||
| And it confirms our suspicion, Steve, that this was too dangerous according to the Pentagon, yet Fauci under NIAID proceeded with it anyway. | ||
| Pretty, pretty big revelations here. | ||
| What is, because your investigations I know are ongoing, this bombshell that hit yesterday, where do you, because I know now that Veritas is so powerful that you've got whistleblowers coming to you all the time, you're doing for your request, you've got your own investigators undercover. | ||
| Where is this going to go from here? | ||
| Because this is a blockbuster, and this is with this whole thing about Fauci going around behind everybody's back and getting gain-of-function to be allowed again, which Senator Marshall is getting to. | ||
| Where are you going in this investigation? | ||
| Well, I think that, you know, in investigative reporting, in that part of that book, I call it whipsawing. | ||
| In other words, once we put out a story like this, we find that Other whistleblowers will trust Project Veritas. | ||
| Steve, one of the things they say to me is there's really nowhere else for them to go. | ||
| I mean, you saw it on Morning Joe, the clip that you just played. | ||
| There's a symbiotic relationship between Big Pharma, the FBI, and media. | ||
| You can't make this stuff up. | ||
| So, where do we go from here? | ||
| We anticipate more whistleblowers coming from within the government. | ||
| In fact, this major Marine, who was not our source, by the way, he was merely the author of the document, he actually issued a statement to us, which was really surprising to me. | ||
| I thought that he would never issue a statement, but he did. | ||
| And one of the things, I'm paraphrasing him, it's in the video, we put his statement in the video. | ||
| strikes me as a statement that probably he had authority to give. | ||
| He got authorization to make the statement on the record to Project Veritas is that there are good people in the government. | ||
| And he, this major in the Marines encouraged other people to come forward to corroborate what he has written in this document. | ||
| And I'm going to read part of that statement to you here. | ||
| I'm quote. | ||
| I offer a brief comment to those that desire answers and to those that withhold them. | ||
| To those seeking answers, again this is the Marine Major, I offer encouragement. | ||
| There are good people striving for the truth, working together in and out of government, and they succeed. To those that withhold, I pray for you. | ||
| Find the moral courage to come forward. | ||
| Don't let a lie be our legacy to posterity. | ||
| People will forgive. | ||
| A commitment to truth is in the heart of this nation. | ||
| Semper Fi. | ||
| Unquote. | ||
| Very powerful on-the-record statement from this Marine major, in the Marine Corps, inside the Pentagon, Steve. | ||
| This is a blockbuster. | ||
| I want to play, before we let you go, I know you've got to bounce. | ||
| Can Denver play the clip, and I jumped in before I played, the clip we put up on Getter last night from James O'Keefe. | ||
| Can we play it? | ||
| So we're meeting with various senators here in Washington, D.C. | ||
| after the Anthony Fauci hearing this morning and the Department of Defense documents that we released showing that he apparently lied in his testimony. | ||
| Let me just say that I'm not suicidal. | ||
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I love my life. | |
| It's so central and Project Veritas, this institution you've built up over the last 10-15 years is so essential to the fight for liberty today. | ||
| That got people very concerned last night. | ||
| Is there anything this audience, which has your back a thousand percent and loves Project Veritas and loves you, is anything we should know that's quite chilling and quite haunting for a tough hombre like James O'Keefe to say that? | ||
| Anything that we should know about? | ||
| Anything this audience should be doing? | ||
| Well, your audience is really, and I appreciate your audience, Steve. | ||
| A lot of people reach out to me and say they've watched War Room, they've seen our material, so thank you for doing our stories and broadcasting them. | ||
| I think this is a clown world. | ||
| We live in an upside-down world. | ||
| I was raided by the FBI two months ago, an American journalist, for possessing documents transmitted to me by a source. | ||
| The U.S. | ||
| attorneys in New York saying that I'm not a journalist because I don't get permission from the people I report on, which is an absurd argument. | ||
| It's an irrational argument. | ||
| It's an asinine argument. | ||
| And the reason I made that video is because, yeah, there are people trying to hurt me. | ||
| And we're taking precautions. | ||
| But what I will not do is I will not stand down. | ||
| I will not be intimidated. | ||
| I will not stop pursuing the truth. | ||
| I believe in what I'm doing. | ||
| Sometimes, occasionally, it can be terrifying, but I choose not to live in fear, and that was my message to the world that I love what I do, and I do love my life, and I think that we're gonna be successful. | ||
| I'm not a cynic. | ||
| A lot of people, nothing will happen. | ||
| Well, I don't actually agree with that. | ||
| I think the only way things won't happen is if we back down, and I believe that there's so many other people like this major Joe Murphy that need to come out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We gotta bounce, I know you gotta roll. | ||
| We'll get all the Veritas stuff up on our chat rooms and on the Chiron. | ||
| James O'Keefe, you're a patriot, a hero, and a warrior. | ||
| Don't ever stop. | ||
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James O'Keefe, Project Veritas. | |
| The Muckraker. | ||
| Be back in a moment. | ||
| Inflation. | ||
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Kaboom. | |
| Kaboom. | ||
| Biggest yearly increase we have seen since the 1980s, right? | ||
| This is not a good number. | ||
| This isn't a good situation for the White House to deal with. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because we get gas multiple times a week, so we see the price of gas. | ||
| We see the price at the grocery store and housing. | ||
| Housing prices are up in a big way, not just to buy houses, but even rentals. | ||
| And last year, we talked about all these bidding wars. | ||
| We're now seeing that for rentals. | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
| We have a very good economy. | ||
| The unemployment number is very low. | ||
| With so many people quitting, that means they feel confident they can find another job. | ||
| So the White House could tell a good economic story. | ||
| However, high prices make everyone mad, and that is not good. | ||
| Can you explain something to me? | ||
| Because I'm just a simple country lawyer. | ||
| It's just like when the job numbers come out. | ||
| You know, they'll say, terrible report. | ||
| Unemployment goes to 3.9. | ||
| This week, we had the fair chairman, Chairman Powell, saying, I'm going to raise interest rates. | ||
| And of course, our whole life, we hear, well, that's going to make the market skittish. | ||
| But just the opposite happened. | ||
| When Powell said, we're going to have to raise interest rates to take care of inflation, the markets responded positively. | ||
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Why? | |
| That's because rates are currently at zero, Joe. | ||
| Rates are at zero when you are in financial crisis, when you're in peril, when you need a boost. | ||
| We're not. | ||
| The country is flush with cash. | ||
| It seems like we've been there for 20 years, though. | ||
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We shouldn't have been at zero rates. | |
| Stephanie Rule, your paymasters on Wall Street don't want to hear that. | ||
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Of course we shouldn't have been at zero interest rates. | |
| No, Joe, you're not simple. | ||
| You're a simple ton. | ||
| You are a dumb country lawyer that's a simple ton. | ||
| We're going to start calling it the Morning Mika. | ||
| It's the Morning Mika Show. | ||
| I'm going to bring in Peter Navarro now. | ||
| We're going to get into all this. | ||
| We've got Harvey Risch. | ||
| We've got Steven Hatfield. | ||
| We've got Cortez. | ||
| We've got Steve Hearst. | ||
| This is a show of hitters today. | ||
| But I've got to bring in the best puncher we've got. | ||
| So you warned people about this over a year ago. | ||
| We are where we are, but this is a raging dumpster fire that's going to burn through the working class in this country, and nobody's going to... the working class in this country, understand, and I want every working class Hispanic and African-American to understand this. | ||
| This is the Democratic Party, their policies to take care of their wealthy donors, okay? | ||
| You heard Stephanie Rowe, it's a great economy. | ||
| It's a great economy if you're a top 1%. | ||
| If you're writing the checks for the Democratic Party, it's terrible if you're anybody else. | ||
| Dr. Navarro, you warned us about this. | ||
| We're now going into a situation that's not stagflation, sir. | ||
| It's something else. | ||
| Dr. Navarro. | ||
| Steve, the morning Joe-ites, Biden and everybody in between on that side of the fence, focus on this low unemployment rate number. | ||
| But it's not low unemployment rate. | ||
| When you factor in all the people who are long term discouraged workers, all the people who are resigning early, by the way, some of the best people in our workforce because they're the older, more experienced, more trained people. | ||
| That unemployment rate is more than double that. | ||
| So, I mean, the one bright spot they say exists isn't even a bright spot. | ||
| And then from there, everything else falls apart. | ||
| We're decelerating in terms of growth. | ||
| The Fed's threatening interest rate hikes, and they are coming. | ||
| That's going to slow things down. | ||
| Mortgage rates are going up. | ||
| Food prices are up. | ||
| Gasoline prices are up. | ||
| Housing prices are going through the roof on the wave of two things, which is interesting. | ||
| We got people who, in the pandemic, want more housing space to go into their caves. | ||
| So that's going on. | ||
| But at the same time, you got all these private hedge funds buying up all the housing stock of America. | ||
| Hey, the millennials, black and brown Americans, these are the people who have absolutely no future. | ||
| Wages might be going up for some, but they're not going up fast. | ||
| As fast as the inflation rate. | ||
| This picture behind me, I mean, we're going back into a black and white world of the 70s. | ||
| I remember how drab this was. | ||
| So these numbers weren't good. | ||
| And the funny part, of course, the market rallied on this, which just tells you that there's all this money coursing through the veins of Wall Street. | ||
| They don't care about Main Street. | ||
| But it's not getting, it's not getting to, okay, here's the thing I also want to say. | ||
| Give you some inside baseball now. | ||
| They keep saying this is the highest number in 40 years, right, to go back to 1982. | ||
| 1982 was two years into the Reagan administration. | ||
| This is Paul Volcker, just, if there's no Volcker, there's no Reagan revolution. | ||
| Volcker is sitting there and choking down, as the head of the Fed, he's choking down inflation every day, hammering the economy, hammering inflation to get out. | ||
| It goes, but it was Carter. | ||
| It was really the Vietnam War, the guns and butter of Lyndon Johnson. | ||
| Guns and butter. | ||
| But it blew through and caught fire during Jimmy Carter's presidency. | ||
| In fact, Ari Melber had actually a good piece yesterday on MSNBC. | ||
| My point, this ain't going away. | ||
| This is going to burn down the Democratic Party. | ||
| They've done this. | ||
| This madness of spending and monetary policy is now coming home to roots. | ||
| It's going to burn them down. | ||
| This is not going to go anywhere anytime soon. | ||
| It's going to be a dumpster fire. | ||
| Real quickly, there's an article up today, as we've been telling you, up there right now, putting together another stimulus bill. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because of their mandates and their mishandling of COVID, everything is shut down. | ||
| Dr. Peter Navarro. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's just a math analogy here. | ||
| Yeah, 82, that was like when Volcker was raising interest rates to choke off the inflation. | ||
| We were at the end of the bell curve of inflation. | ||
| The whole thing began early 70s. | ||
| After Lyndon Johnson had basically goosed the economy with the Vietnam War and the Great Society. | ||
| That was the beginning of the bell curve. | ||
| We're at the beginning of this bell curve here, Steve. | ||
| In other words, that 7% is going to go up to 8, 9, and pretty soon we're going to be into double digits. | ||
| We are, by my calculations, already at 20% on the misery index, if you factor everything into that equation. | ||
| First off, we don't calculate inflation like we did in the old days. | ||
| It'd be much higher. | ||
| It'd be like 10 or 11% right now. | ||
| But however, for our massive podcast audience of over 125 million downloads, and our massive radio audience that can't see this, walk through what you just did for the audience on TV. | ||
| Walk through that bell curve. | ||
| What does it mean, and why does it mean prices are going to—we haven't—we're still on the upslope. | ||
| OK, so think of a bell curve kind of as a mountain. | ||
| It's like at the beginning, you're moving up that. | ||
| So we go back to 68. | ||
| Lyndon Johnson decides to prosecute the Vietnam War and also put in his Great Society program, guns and butter. | ||
| That sparked an inflationary wave that would go through the Nixon years with Arthur Burns printing money as the Fed chair. | ||
| And then we hit the stagflation As the economy grinds to a halt because of the interest rate policies. | ||
| And so inflation peaks as Ronald Reagan's running against Jimmy Carter. | ||
| And we're up in double-digit land on the misery index, which is the 10% unemployment rate plus the inflation rate. | ||
| Both were over 10%. | ||
| This was like carnage. | ||
| Reagan beats Carter. | ||
| He brings in Paul Volcker, who has the stones. | ||
| And trust me, this was a man with stones who basically just clamped down on the money supply to choke out what we call inflationary expectations. | ||
| We had to do something draconian to stop the wage price spiral, which was taking us out of control. | ||
| We saw mortgage rates go up to like 15, 16 percent. | ||
| I mean, it was crazy time stuff, but it did break that cycle. | ||
| And that's when inflation started to go on the other side of the bell curve, down the mountain. | ||
| And that's 7% in 82. | ||
| That's way down the mountain, okay? | ||
| This 7% is at the beginning of what looks like a really bad bell curve. | ||
| And by the way, that curve can have a really long plateau, like in the 70s, because that was a very long period of time of inflation and stagnation. | ||
| And so, Unless we act now, Steve, to basically strangle this stagflation baby in its crib, we're going for a very long, hard time. | ||
| And you and I know that the Biden administration is not going to do that. | ||
| The Vax mandates are screwing stuff up. | ||
| They're going to spend more money and they're not dealing with the supply chain stuff like bringing home our manufacturing. | ||
| She even whined about, seven-year-old was whining about the supply chain. | ||
| What Devar told you, they hadn't dealt with any of the structural issues, and on top of that they had the massive spending bills, you have demand pull and supply push. | ||
| This is the problem. | ||
| It's not going away. | ||
| It's going to get worse. | ||
| It's going to burn a hole in the Democratic Party. | ||
| 100 seats, 100 years. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, MAGA ascended. | ||
| We're about to see a political realignment like 1932. | ||
| Mike Allen, the corporatocracy's mouthpiece at Axios, last night he said, the Biden administration is dead. | ||
| Build back better? | ||
| Dead. | ||
| Dead. | ||
| The stealing of the federalization of elections? | ||
| Dead. | ||
| He just said, DOA dead. | ||
| Mike Allen said it. | ||
| So, Peter Navarro, we ended up killing it in the crib after, I remember, is to go after their illegitimacy. | ||
| The Biden administration has been choked down in the crib. | ||
| Okay, by their own hand, they're smitten by their own radical policies. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| They know nothing. | ||
| If they had done nothing when they had gotten in, they could have rode at least some of the Trump wave. | ||
| You know, Pete Buttigieg, I mean, for me, he's like the poster child. | ||
| Of everything that's wrong with Joe Biden, besides Joe Biden. | ||
| He's an Alfred E. Neumann. | ||
| He's an Alfred E. Neumann. | ||
| Let me worry. | ||
| It's like, you can't make this stuff. | ||
| If you take Amir from a small town in Indiana who's known nothing about anything, put him in charge of the Department of Transportation in the middle of the worst supply chain crisis. | ||
| In our history, hands down, including wartime, he's home nursing babies. | ||
| I just, I mean, come on, you can't make that stuff up. | ||
| They are done. | ||
| Mike Allen, hey Mike, I'm still waiting for you to look at the In Trump Time book, but that's another story, Mike. | ||
| But you did at least put the RIP on the Joe Biden regime. | ||
| It is dead. | ||
| I want to put that up on all our platforms. | ||
| Everybody's got to read it. | ||
| I put it on Getter last night. | ||
| Mike Allen and Axios. | ||
| The Biden administration is dead. | ||
| Everything they're working on is dead. | ||
| Now here's what they're trying to do. | ||
| Scramble around and take a couple trillion dollars of student loans to all the indoctrinated people and write it off to zero. | ||
| Hey, never happen. | ||
| Make them all pay every cent. | ||
| And they're also working on another stimulus package. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Not going to happen. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Dr. Harvey Risch next from Yale. | ||
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We rejoice with her no more, let's take down the CCP. | |
| Day of our life for two and... | ||
| When the planner is a government official, like yourself, who rules by mandate, the errors are compounded and become much more harmful. | ||
| A planner who believes he is the science leads to an arrogance that justifies, in his mind, using government resources to smear and to destroy the reputations of other scientists who disagree with him. | ||
| In an email exchange with Dr. Collins, you conspire, and I quote here directly from the email, To create a quick and devastating published takedown of three prominent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford. | ||
| Apparently there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists at Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford. | ||
| And you quote in the email that they were from Dr. Collins and you agree that they are fringe. | ||
| And immediately there's this takedown effort. | ||
| A published takedown though, you know, doesn't exactly conjure up the image of a dispassionate scientist. | ||
| Instead of engaging them on the merits, even Dr. Collins sought to smear them as fringe and take them down. | ||
| And not in journals, in lay press. | ||
| This is not only antithetical to the scientific method, it's the epitome of cheap politics and it's reprehensible, Dr. Fauci. | ||
| Do you really think it's appropriate to use your $420,000 salary to attack scientists that disagree with you? | ||
| It's not simply the $400,000 salary. | ||
| It's the billions of dollars he has in research grants, which Bobby Kennedy in the book, the real Tony Fauci laid out and Peter Navarro's laid out. | ||
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| We want to add fringe. | ||
| What Dr. Rand Paul was talking about was the Great Barrington Declaration. | ||
| Where Collins and Fauci had this email exchange about shutting this thing down immediately and going to smear these guys, which they called fringe epidemiologists, were from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford, three of the most prominent in the world. | ||
| I want to add Yale to that. | ||
| We're going to bring in Dr. Harvey Risch right now. | ||
| We didn't have time to play the entire Fauci's comeback, although we've analyzed it. | ||
| He spins his way out of there. | ||
| I mean, he never takes ownership that he and Collins conspired to trash basically the individuals leading the Great Barrington Declaration. | ||
| Dr. Risch, did you get a chance to see this, and what are your thoughts? | ||
| Quite frankly, you're one of the most prominent people in this country. | ||
| And because of your expertise and how you've laid out things over the last two years, they've attacked you mercilessly. | ||
| So what are your thoughts on this, sir? | ||
| Well, I think that what struck me is Fauci's denial that NIAID had funded this work when he was being technically correct but misleading in that the NIAID did not consider the DARPA grant application It considered a parallel, if not closely identical version of it, and that's what they found, find, uh, funded. | ||
| Now, I haven't seen that particular grant application, so I can't speak to exactly how close it dovetails with the DARPA one that was released on Project Veritas and the Intercept. | ||
| But my understanding is that it's essentially the same work, or very closely the same work. | ||
| And therefore, for Fauci to have said, | ||
| We're totally independent of this as a misrepresentation that, in fact, they did fund this work or close to this work, that the work does involve gain of function or tantamount to gain of function work, that DARPA said this was too dangerous to be done, that, in fact, its review document says that there were not enough safeguards in place to make this work safe, and therefore they weren't going to fund it in its entirety, although some sections of it, what they called selective, might be fundable. | ||
| And so we know that this was dangerous and reckless work, and that's the problem. | ||
| Where do you think we go from here? | ||
| Because obviously in the Senate, you know, the Senate hearings, the Senate only has five minutes. | ||
| It's kind of catch-as-catch-can. | ||
| It's very disjointed. | ||
| Given your knowledge and given the seriousness, not just of the charges, but actually getting to the bottom of what happened, because we said you've got to get to the bottom of the Wuhan lab and what happened. | ||
| What would be your recommendation for people, because we're taking power in November and we'll have a better investigative apparatus then, but what would be your recommendation to people now to get to the bottom of what happened and particularly the U.S. | ||
| government and Tony Fauci's involvement in this? | ||
| I think we have two things to do. | ||
| One is to document absolutely everything that we can from going backwards in time to when and before this happened. | ||
| At the same time, we need to work out a rational plan moving forward. | ||
| At every instant, we're remiss in not changing our plan to a rational plan. | ||
| We need to stop counting cases. | ||
| We need to start looking only at mortality outcomes from the COVID, from Omicron. | ||
| The CDC is now telling us that Omicron is 98.3% of all cases in the U.S. | ||
| That means the Delta is not only going down as a percent of cases, it's going down in absolute numbers. | ||
| As this goes down to close to zero or zero, we are out of pandemic business. | ||
| We're out of the emergency business. | ||
| We still have the pandemic in a seasonal respiratory virus, but we're out of the emergency business. | ||
| And that is the most important signal event of all of this, which is that all of the emergency issues, the mandates, and all of those things go by the wayside once we are out of emergency, which we are, or virtually are, in another week or two. | ||
| And that's where we should be going. | ||
| Dealing with this rationally is treating respiratory diseases like we know how to treat respiratory diseases with early treatment in high-risk people, and developing population immunity, which is what we do. | ||
| And we know that this Omicron virus is very similar, if not less severe, than a typical seasonal flu. | ||
| And we don't go draconian over typical seasonal flus. | ||
| And that's how we should be dealing with this. | ||
| Dr. Risch, what you just laid out, correct me if I'm wrong because I'm far from an expert in this, what you just laid out is the rational scientific approach. | ||
| It seems like that's the total opposite of what the Biden administration is doing right now. | ||
| NBC just had this report about there's five or six people that are involved with the Biden administration at the beginning that are coming to the conclusion you are, but they're kind of saying, hey, the administration right now is hurtling down the exact opposite path. | ||
| Is that correct in your view? | ||
| Well, I think that the fear porn has been so successful that the government believes it in addition to the population. | ||
| And this is so totally destructive because it prevents rational cold calculation of what we have to do to win this pandemic, which we can, and we're doing it. | ||
| And we're winning it in spite of our best efforts, so to speak. | ||
| Let me ask you, until we get to the bottom of also the gain of function and get to the bottom of Wuhan lab, is it going to be tough to understand how we protect against mutations? | ||
| And specifically with this Olympics coming up, we now have cities almost over 75 million in China in various phases of lockdown or quarantine. | ||
| Do you have any sense of what's happening in China and can we actually fully understand what's going on in the mutations until we get to the bottom of what actually happened in Wuhan? | ||
| Well, we don't know what's happening in China now because the Chinese have been absolutely secret just like they were secretive about the origins of COVID in the first few months when they were dealing with it and didn't let the rest of the world know about it. | ||
| If what's happening in China is a hemorrhagic disease transmitted by rodents, Then we're in much better shape because this is something that is seasonal in China that they normally have to deal with, but they normally don't lock down over. | ||
| But the fact that they're locking down over it is worrisome because they're thinking that there's a risk it could spread to Beijing and the Olympics. | ||
| We don't know how to understand this because the Chinese aren't letting us, and they really need to be transparent and let us help them instead of hiding it from us and make us antagonists. | ||
| Before I let you go, Dr. Risch, for you to get comfort that because the virus is kind of taking us in a certain direction that'll kind of lead to non-pandemic to an epidemic over time and herd immunity, what would you have to hear at a CDC over the next couple of days | ||
| To convince you that someone inside the administration, and particularly their leaders in addressing this, have now really started to think rationally and not emotionally and not be overwhelmed by the fear porn. | ||
| What two or three things would you need CDC to step up and say? | ||
| Well, I'm very skeptical of the CDC as a whole. | ||
| They've put out so many misrepresenting and fake science papers that they put on their in-house non-peer-reviewed website. | ||
| That I don't really believe much coming out of CDC. | ||
| If the CDC suddenly said, we've decided to stop counting cases, we've decided to stop testing asymptomatic individuals, that we're only looking at hospitalizations and mortality, that the hospitalizations are being done accurately by testing everybody who comes into the hospital, not just preferentially testing unvaccinated people, and so on, then I might start to think that somebody is actually paying attention to science as opposed to Uh, whatever game they think they're getting from from fear porn. | ||
| Last question about this, the strategy they picked on mass vaccinations for everybody, regardless of your immune compromise, regardless of comorbidities, but just mass vaccinations for everybody, including now young Children, uh, five years old and up and maybe even eventually under five years old. | ||
| What are your thoughts on that? | ||
| Well, this was wrong from from the get go. | ||
| That they never did an objective evaluation of the actual risks by age for the vaccination. | ||
| Don't forget that anytime a government makes a policy, it will do its best to hide the negative effects of the policy, regardless of whatever bullying and pressures from international companies are above that. | ||
| So, that's what's happened, that the CDC has pushed against being transparent About the adverse events of these vaccines, they have for a long period denied that there were any adverse events, any deaths from the vaccines. | ||
| But we know there's at least 20,000 that have been documented. | ||
| They've said the VAERS database is not reliable. | ||
| They pretended that it's not reliable totally, but in fact it's a vetted database where clerks review every case that comes It's comparable to the vaccine reports of adverse events from previous vaccines over the last 30 years. | ||
| So, what's been happening in the last two years can be compared to what happened in the previous 28. | ||
| And that's what needs to be done, not just throwing this out saying, we don't like it because it's not supporting our plans, so we're going to just try to smear it, even though we set it up in the first place. | ||
| I think that the CDC has to be rational about all this. | ||
| The CDC, I just want to make sure I caught this correctly. | ||
| You said that they've been putting up fake science reports, non-peer-reviewed, on their website constantly to support their take on things, and you think you've called that fake science. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| Yes, this was, I think, Martin Kulldorff at Harvard wrote an extensive review of the study that looked at respiratory disease in a database of cases in one of the medical insurance databases for a large scale in the United States. | ||
| Where instead of using control people, they use people with other respiratory illnesses that's very strongly biased or people with comorbidities that they didn't account for. | ||
| And it's things like that that the CDC is either not being competent about or intentionally misrepresenting what the underlying nature is telling us about these illnesses and this virus. | ||
| That's the problem here. | ||
| Dr. Risch, how do people follow you? | ||
| You've got about 30 seconds. | ||
| How do people follow you during the day with your analysis and assessments? | ||
| So, you can Google me, Risch and Yale, and I'll come up. | ||
| You can find me there. | ||
| Or I have a Telegram channel that's Harvey Risch, MD, PhD. | ||
| Harvey Risch, MD, PhD. | ||
| Dr. Rich, thank you very much for standing up for medicine and science and patients. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| Great American hero patriot. | ||
| Dr. Harvey Rich Romeo, one of the most prominent people in this country and a fighter. | ||
| People don't understand what they've tried to do to these individuals to destroy them. | ||
| People at absolutely the top of their professions. | ||
| Oxford, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, not community colleges. | ||
| Players. | ||
| Navarro, Dr. Steven Hatfield, next in the War Room. | ||
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| Speaking of businesses, Dr. Gupta, we're seeing more Fortune 500 CEOs speaking out in favor of vaccine mandates. | ||
| Despite anything going on in the Supreme Court, United Airlines mandated vaccines for employees early on. | ||
| Their CEO says 3,000 of his employees have tested positive for COVID. | ||
| Not one single vaccinated employee has been hospitalized. | ||
| Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan, he's now saying employees If you cannot come to the office unless you're vaccinated, and if you're working from home, you're not getting paid. | ||
| You know, Stephanie, real-world evidence is pretty clear now that vaccine mandates work, that when individuals are faced with the prospect of losing And I understand, in a tight labor market, when you're worried about employees and losing staff to maybe a competitor, this becomes the question. | ||
| How do you actually retain talent? | ||
| But it's now been very clear across multiple examples that that's not happening. | ||
| The lawsuits that are going to take place on this are going to be ginormous. | ||
| The strike lawyers are going to be, this is a full employment act for strike lawyers. | ||
| The NCAA, I want to get this up on all platforms right now, has just come out with guidance. | ||
| Those individuals that have had COVID-19 Within what, the last 90 days, are now considered, wait for it, fully vaccinated, called herd immunity. | ||
| The very first person to ever bring this up, on the very first episode of War and Pandemic, back in January, I think, 20th of 2020, was Dr. Steven Hadfield, who we brought in to be a consultant for us and advisor to us. | ||
| And then a couple days into the show, he went over to the White House and worked with Dr. Peter Navarro to help save the country. | ||
| Dr. Hatfield, give us, given what's happened with Tony Fauci with these emails, what's happening all over, just heard Harvey Weir saying, this is totally irrational, the policy we're following. | ||
| We've kind of, you've been our guy since the very beginning. | ||
| Put in, put in a framework. | ||
| Where are we now? | ||
| And how is irrational? | ||
| Is the process that the government's forcing, pushing on these mandates with full vaccinations for everybody? | ||
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| Well, Harvey, Dr. Reich was absolutely correct in everything that he said. | ||
| With respect to controlling the pandemic, we're actually back to square one. | ||
| There was never any chance that mass vaccination was going to be able to work because of the lag time between the time you have the vaccine ready and can administer it and the time that the virus mutates. | ||
| This was a non-starter. | ||
| You have a very rapidly mutating virus and you're always going to be behind the curve. | ||
| The goal was for outpatient treatment, early outpatient treatment. | ||
| And we had a drug, we have two, several drugs now for this. | ||
| COVID-19 is a treatable condition. | ||
| Dr. Navarro, jump in here. | ||
| You work with Dr. Hatfield from day one. | ||
| In your mind, are we back to square one? | ||
| Yes, Dr. Hatfield is absolutely right on that. | ||
| I would say that when I was in the White House early on, Dr. Hatfield was Really, my inspiration, and he's a hero in this country. | ||
| He literally, through his advice to me and the memos we did, saved hundreds and hundreds of thousands of lives. | ||
| What's interesting about Dr. Hatfield and Harvey Risch, Dr. Risch, is that they come at it Exactly the way Doc Malone and I are coming at it through what are going to be three op-ed articles in Washington Times. | ||
| The latest one's coming out today online, tomorrow it'll be in print. | ||
| It lays out the case that the optimal strategy is a conservative, limited, quasi-vaccine approach to only people with comorbidities and senior citizens. | ||
| Everybody else, keep those jabs away from them, particularly children. | ||
| Particularly healthy people, particularly people who've already had the virus, who have antibodies. | ||
| Do all that and you avoid the vaccine-resistant mutations that could, by the way, kill the entire human race in the worst-case black swan scenario. | ||
| At the same time, the bigger portion of that is the widespread use of therapeutics like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, which we now know unequivocally, hey, note to CNN, note to MSNBC, note to John Day, John Berman at New Day, note to Jeff Zucker at CNN, Hydroxychloroquine works. | ||
| It's the safe, efficacious drug, been around for 60 years. | ||
| It's cheaper, more effective than the crap that Merck and Pfizer are going to be trying to peddle to us now. | ||
| But the bigger thing that's interesting, Steve, is what you do on this show, is you take the wisdom of people like Hatfield and Reich, And then also point out, for example, that the universal VAX mandate, which is based on bad science, is having tremendous economic effects on the labor market in a negative way, and also crippling the American democracy, turning us effectively into authoritarians. | ||
| And right now, Steve, the battle lines are clearly drawn around the world Between the people who do not want to follow science, who want to use the vaccine as a way to promote authoritarian, fascistic vaccine mandates, vaccine passports that basically control society versus those who understand science, who believe in American democracy and freedom. | ||
| And we are coming push to shove on this. | ||
| In this country, we are at least ahead of places like Australia, These were the two individuals that at the White House wrote the original memo on 9 February that said, we've got to get a vaccination program. | ||
| We've got to get it stood up. | ||
| I need you to hold through the break with Dr. Hatfield, you know, just keep you but I want to say this before we go to break These were the two individuals that at the White House wrote the original memo on 9th February that said we got to get a vaccination Program we got to get stood up warp speed. It was never to be a mass fact the so they can't be good You can't say these are wing nuts. | ||
| These are the guys that are in back of the initial. | ||
| We got to get something stood up and see if we can even do it. | ||
| Short break. | ||
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