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Elon Musk says Neuralink could start implanting chips in humans in 2022.
People with severe spinal injuries would get the tech the billionaire says could help them walk again.
steve bannon
That's the Trojan horse.
We're going to save the guys with the paraplegics.
That's part of it's all great.
But this Neuralink is quite dangerous.
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Are you familiar with the concept of the Borg?
steve bannon
No.
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They're an alien.
In Star Trek The Next Generation, they fly around these big cubes and they say, you will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile.
They are cybernetic, they are all one hive mind, and they implant you with chips to sync your brain up to their machine.
steve bannon
Look, you have the convergence of a bunch of technologies that are happening here.
Advanced chip design, which is Neuralink.
You have artificial general intelligence, which is artificial intelligence that kind of recreates itself.
You have regenerative robotics.
You have CRISPR, you have advances in biotechnology.
The convergence of those and a couple of other industries are converging on this point called the singularity.
On this side of that point is Homo sapiens.
On the other side of that, let's say it's Homo sapiens plus.
Who knows how this goes?
It is hurtling so fast.
And now, this is the thing about Schmidt and that report.
And if you read Kissinger and Schmitt's book, they're telling you, well, guys, hey, guess what?
We don't have a choice here.
Because it's an arms race, the most dangerous weapons in the history of mankind are being developed right now in artificial intelligence.
Oh, by the way, the Chinese are here, the Russians are here, so we have to get into this arms race.
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In 30 years.
steve bannon
So now you're going to have this exponential growth of this.
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In 30 years, there's going to be some 18-year-old who's had a Neuralink since he was born, and he's going to be like, what's the big deal?
I mean, we've always had the chip.
We've always been implanted.
steve bannon
Okay, at Front National, National Rally, the political group in France, in January of this year, they had their annual meeting, a kickoff meeting, and they had a bunch of French thinkers come up and address them about what's happening in the economy, what's happening in the future.
A guy stood up, one of the top biotech investors in France, and said, the first post A full homo sapien has been born today, and they will be something that is post-man, okay?
Because of either a chip, artificial intelligence is implanted, who knows?
My point is, if you look at it, you've got all these industries going down this path, totally unregulated, with nobody looking.
You've got DARPA, your tax dollars, you've got private equity, you've got stuff happening in China, South Korea, in Eastern Europe, nobody knows what's going on.
Right?
But you're seeing hints of it.
You're hearing hints of it from the Schmitz of the world and from people talking about national security saying, well, you know, there's some artificial intelligence weapons that could be, you know, very scary.
You got the hybrid.
People are sitting there going, you got the guy came out the other day on the Defense Department saying we're so far behind where the Chinese are.
Okay?
Then you don't even talk about the CRISPR part, which could get to the biological weapons.
We have no earthy idea what's going on.
We have no ability to control it right now because, look, I'm a fighter and I fought globalization and I will take on a lot of fights.
This one right here, you kind of sit there and go, where do we even start?
Okay, you're in the Fight Club.
Welcome to the War Room.
Saturday, 11 December, the year of our Lord 2021.
As we've said, it is the 80th anniversary of Nazi Germany declaring war on the United States for the U.S.
involvement in the war in Europe.
We declared war 80 years ago on December 7th.
They never declared war on Germany or the fascists in Italy.
They declared war on us.
That would be 80 years ago.
Today, with those lessons learned, or if we did learn any lessons, I want to bring, you're in the War Room, and I want to bring in Joe Allen, our editor in all things transhumanism.
Joe, that was an exchange I had with the great Tim Poole the other night when I was out at Harper's Ferry in Tim Poole's compound to do the show.
We got a lot of positive feedback from the Tim Poole audience and also from our own audience Who who watched it?
I think, Joan, I want to ask you because this is why we brought you in.
And any type of thing that we want to make sure people understand before you can learn how to either drive it in a certain direction or combat it, you have to understand, you have to kind of understand, have a mental map, you have to have a some sort of construct, intellectual construct for that mental map.
And this is what transhumanism, what we're trying to do is show you the particular parts and building blocks of it, of what the overall theory and philosophy and back of transhumanism, but also the particulars.
Because in the particulars, as it's driving forward now with an accelerating rate in each of these different industries.
One can begin to comprehend what is exactly happening today and directionally.
Where is this going?
So can you can you take a moment and maybe outline that this is what you do for a living.
It's the reason we brought you over here is having seen so many great articles of yours in the Federalist over the years.
Walk us through walk us through that that mental map and they kind of what you see your day to day job and doing and helping the American people and particularly the MAGA movement understand this.
joe allen
You know, Steve, I think the first thing that needs to be understood about transhumanism as a concept is that transhumanists are a tightly knit intellectual community, fairly isolated from the larger conversation.
You have really prominent members like Nick Bostrom at Oxford.
You have kind of out there people like Ray Kurzweil or Ben Goertzel of SingularityNet.
Who are pushing the ideas out into the public, but for the most part, transhumanism is an isolated intellectual community.
But those ideas, either through diffusion or through kind of a parallel trajectory, have in the last couple of years, the last since 2015, you really have seen more and more push in the direction of
The core values of transhumanists among people in big tech like Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, even Jeff Bezos has parroted a lot of the same ideas that Hans Moravec had put forward to begin with.
And as these ideas percolate outward, you see that whether they declare themselves or not, Transhumanists or transhumanism as an idea, as a set of values, has come to pervade the sort of technocratic elite that ultimately does dominate vast portions of our lives.
So, if I could identify five points that transhumanists really hit on, five values that they see as ultimately leading to a transcendence of the limited human condition, that moving towards what they consider to be perfection.
There would be genetic engineering and the alteration of the human germline to perfect the human genome So that human beings live longer, so that they're more beautiful, so that they're more intelligent, so that they're more agile, athletic, so they're stronger.
This is really, in many ways, the beginning of it because it's based on an evolutionary paradigm that those who are most fit to their environment will go on to reproduce and survive longer.
The second, though, is on a tier above that.
It's in the psychology, right?
Transhumanists are obsessed with intelligence.
And so, neuro-enhancement, in particular neurotech, whether it be through supplements or brain-altering chemicals, Or at the most extreme end, you know, invasive bionic implants.
Neuro-enhancement is also a real obsession with the transhumanist movement.
You could say, arguably, that the move towards augmented reality and the metaverse in which you'll have hologram displays of data of whatever you're looking at, feeding into your visual field so that you'll have a heightened sense of awareness.
That's also kind of a crucial element in the neuro-enhancement movement.
But it's very, very broad.
Psychedelics could also be considered to be part of it.
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The third is... Hang on, whoa, whoa, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, hang on before you go to the third.
steve bannon
I just want to say in the second, It's a prioritization of values.
You never hear them saying they want the better angels of our nature, you know, the goodness.
They're not trying to enhance goodness.
They're not trying to enhance community or camaraderie or people's interaction, emotional intelligence.
Because all these people went to the best universities and the way they got ahead, they're very focused on achievement through intellect.
I would say, by and large, that's definitely true.
whether it was at Harvard or at Goldman Sachs, you know, the way the elitists think.
They are maniacally focused on just one element and that is intelligence.
Is that correct, sir?
That's why it's such a priority?
joe allen
I would say by and large, that's definitely true.
I mean, you have to accept for the huge spectrum of transhumanist or the kind of technocratic movement in general, there are those who emphasize that technology is gonna allow us to become, you know, better citizens, to love each other more, to have presence with one another in the metaverse.
But yeah, I think that, you know, overall, the driving force is intelligence.
It's beauty.
strength and it's not that natural intelligence, natural beauty or the kind of natural human connections that we have with each other.
Obviously they see that is ultimately limited. They want to enhance it and ultimately replace it with technological methods. So you get the third and you know hit it really briefly, bionics.
That's something that we're only really starting to get into.
I mean, people, you see amputees, people who have been, you know, blown apart in war or in industrial accidents, receiving bionic arms that are controlled oftentimes by neural implants.
We've said this a lot.
You said this on Tim Pool that you can't really argue against someone who's been disabled getting a bionic implant.
Obviously, that person deserves to be able to live their life as fully as they possibly can through whatever technologies.
But what transhumanism seeks to do is, you know, they see these implants ultimately becoming superior to human capabilities, and they idealize this notion that as the body falls apart, or as individuals are born with faulty parts, technological devices, whether they be bionic arms, or the Neuralink chip, or any of the other wide varieties of chips that are being implanted in people's brains right now that are on the market, those will enhance intelligence.
Fourth, you know, really quick, robotics.
You know, in the industrial sector, you see robotics taking over tons of jobs.
You also see, you know, AI-based automation starting to take over a lot of white-collar jobs.
But, you know, probably the most conspicuous element is the concept of social robots.
Robots, which are your companions, Robots which are your teachers, robots which are ultimately our friends going forward, and ultimately embody the artificial intelligence systems that they're developing, which leads us to the fifth pillar of transhumanism, you could say, which is artificial intelligence itself.
It's the replication of human intelligence in silico.
It's the idea that you can create a computer system whose algorithms self-improve, Mostly through deep learning in which it scours data and finds novel patterns, and these systems are seen as not only an enhancement for human endeavors, that's right now what they're talking about, these are going to be our new partners going forward in science and technology and even through politics and government, but ultimately as artificial advances
Transhumanists and, you know, the cult of the singularity sees artificial general intelligence replacing the human intelligence, and you see it goes right back around to the sort of, you know, evolutionary paradigm.
Because it is stronger, because it is smarter, and ultimately, in their eyes, more beautiful, it will replace us, and we have to adapt to it, not it to us.
That's the transhumanist philosophy in a nutshell.
steve bannon
Okay, fine.
Those five points, and we're going to get those all up in the chat rooms and on the website and all that.
You can get Joe's writings on our site.
He's got his own special kind of drop-down there you can go to at Warren.org.
Okay.
We're going to take a short break.
We're going to be back.
We're going to spend this hour going through all of this in this Advent season.
Nothing would be more important than getting the War Room Posse game, the MAGA movement, the America First movement on this deep issue that is hurtling towards us every day.
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back in the morning the person is the world's first official sign for him Instead of seeing color, I can hear color.
This is the sound of purple.
Neil is colorblind, but this antenna implanted in his head lets him hear and feel color.
To me, this is the art, the creation of a new sense.
There's many more colors around us that we cannot perceive.
For thousands of years, we've been changing and designing the planet.
I think this is wrong.
In order to live in this planet, we should start changing and designing ourselves.
In 2004, I was trying to renew my passport.
They said that the antenna had to be removed, because electronic equipment is not allowed on passport photos.
I replied saying that the antenna was not an electronic device, but an organ, and I told them that I identified as a cyborg.
After a long battle with the UK Passport Office, they finally accepted his explanation.
And from then on, Neil's been considered the first person to be officially recognized as a cyborg.
steve bannon
So, Joe Allen, I mean, this is, I guess, a little bit made to be tongue in cheek that about I guess what he's doing or the way the media shot that, but this is quite serious.
Explain to us what really went on there, what the first quote-unquote cyborg, what is that guy trying to accomplish and what did basically state authority agree to?
joe allen
First off, no, that's not tongue-in-cheek at all.
I think these guys are presenting that as something that they conceive to be beautiful and that's what they see the future as being.
The gentleman you saw there, Neil Harbison, he was born colorblind, like, you know, and he submitted himself to experimentation.
He himself is, you know, quite Well-versed in the technologies that he's implanting in himself, and he sees himself as a kind of pioneer biohacker, or a grinder as they're called.
People who, and there's quite a few of them, a lot in Sweden as we've seen with the chips in the palms.
People who think that, you know, you can strengthen yourself, you can bolster yourself and become a better human being by implanting technological devices in your body.
That definitely makes for a, you know, kind of a dark juxtaposition with the Christmas season.
But, you know, as the next year comes on, I guarantee you that these sorts of scenarios are going to come on like a flood.
You know, we discussed before Elon Musk will have Neural links in human brains more than likely by fall of next year.
but there are tons of other companies uh... you know everyone from the sink ron to uh... black rock neurotech and and other you know that more academic experimental labs people are putting these sorts of chips in people's heads all over the place some of them too he'll uh... but uh... you know ultimately with a lot of people you want must concluded the desire is to enhance and i think people like neil harbison the first officially recognized cyborg able to send the u k
uh...
neil harbison uh... is is you know seen as a sort of pioneer towards a new agreed if you can't even species i want I want to make sure that people understand that this is not science fiction.
steve bannon
And as you know, I don't waste my time on things that are ephemeral.
We pride ourselves on not chasing rabbits here.
The typical stories you see on Fox or in a lot of other media, and I'm not faulting them, they do a good job and there's a huge Need for that.
But here we try to separate the signal from the noise.
I can't emphasize enough how much signal this is.
And this is because whether it's the government labs that you support with your tax dollars, DARPA and all these other labs.
If it's private equity, which essentially private equity, venture capital, hedge funds, that's all your money.
That's pension fund money.
They are across a wide spectrum of industries financing production of products, processes, technologies, techniques right now.
That are all converging, and when it hits, it's like Hemingway said, how do you go bankrupt?
Very slow, and then all at once.
Kind of the tipping point.
Here, you're going to have it slow, and it's picking up all the time.
You go to Drudge every day, and there's ten stories.
They're separated all over the page, but if you convert them, and that's what we're doing at War Room, to put these all under kind of one heading, so you can get an immersive experience in this.
And Neuralink and Elon Musk, particularly for young people, Elon Musk is like a rock star.
Now, Elon Musk has always got his hand out for a government subsidy.
This is how he built all his companies.
And he's saying this Neuralink and Neuralink is essentially a chip, a highly sophisticated chip in your brain.
And they're pitching it that we're curing people, we're curing paraplegias, we're curing people.
But it's really to enhance.
It's to enhance.
And that's where we're getting dangerous territory.
I want you to go and talk.
You wrote a review.
of these two books, but this one, The Age of AI by Henry Kissinger, the ultimate globalist, Eric Schmidt, Google, super bad guy, and Daniel Huttenlocher, who's another technologist.
But this, and I just want to quote Joe, because I know you were a thing, but it says the artificial intelligence is transforming human society in fundamental, profound ways.
Not since the age of reason have we changed how we approach security, economics, order, and even knowledge itself.
This is a profound book because it's about three guys at the cutting edge of this.
When I say it's profound, it's profound in the fact that it's deeply, deeply disturbing and troubling.
Joe Allen, your thoughts and analysis?
joe allen
Yeah, I think the importance of that book is that it's bringing a fairly esoteric
...field, artificial intelligence, into the public sphere, and most importantly, I think, the authors, particularly Schmidt and Henry Kissinger, they intend it to be a sort of primer for policy makers, for academics who maybe don't understand artificial intelligence in general, and maybe business leaders who also don't really understand artificial intelligence but need some sort of introduction to it.
In that sense, it's a pretty good book, but there is definitely a system of values underlying it, some of which I actually agree with.
There's a hint of nationalism in it that I agree with.
There is a strong emphasis on human-centered technologies instead of human beings centering themselves around the technologies, which everybody pays lip service to this.
I can't say that Schmidt is lying about it.
I don't even know if Kissinger really knows what it means, but I suspect that they are holding back a lot of what they think would happen with rapidly advancing artificial intelligence systems.
You know, you just mentioned in that quote that they insist that artificial intelligence will be one of the transformative forces in society going forward, and in many ways already has been.
They say it will be absolutely ubiquitous in every field, whether it be science, whether it be the humanities, whether it be business, whatever.
I think that they are ultimately correct, but I think that they have come to accept it in ways, probably because of their positions in society, come to accept it in ways that most of us, you know, regular Americans, regular Europeans, in fact regular people all over the world, are not entirely comfortable with.
They talk about artificial intelligence as if it were A sort of humanized, semi-sentient companion.
They don't claim that that's what it is.
They don't even say that that's what it will be.
But the way in which they approach it is that it's a new form of non-human intelligence.
That, you know, previously, throughout our history as human beings, we relied on first faith, And then with the Enlightenment reason, in order to understand the world and judge what is the appropriate measure to take in any given scenario, what is real and what is not?
Schmidt, more than likely, is the driving force behind this, but maybe Daniel Huttenlocher.
He is the dean of the College of Computing at MIT.
But they argue, ultimately, that artificial intelligence will be a third sort of pillar on that.
Faith, reason, and artificial intelligence will be the paradigms, the lenses, through which policy makers and corporate leaders will make their decisions going forward.
And particularly in science, as we've talked about quite a bit lately, in science, artificial intelligence will lead the way to many of, if not eventually most of, The sort of novel conclusions that human beings make about the natural world.
So I think ultimately what it is, is a, you know, to put it mildly, a propagandistic text which seeks to elevate artificial intelligence as a legitimate way in which we will know the world going forward.
And I think that given the sorts of people and the corporations that they are ultimately speaking for, many of them see it as being the dominant lens through which we'll see the world going forward, kind of pushing faith aside for sure, and then, you know, really human reason as we're nothing but, you know, flawed meat sacks in their eyes.
steve bannon
I want to come back where I come back to the Moore's Law and what it taught us about the modern world and how it drove the modern world about chip design and how that relates.
This law relates to artificial intelligence, which is really gets to be scary whether humans can control it or not.
I want to make, Will and Ariel Durant wrote that amazing series called The Civilization, I think it was, about history.
And I think it's 12 volumes, 10 volumes, it's absolutely incredible.
But two of the biggest volumes is The Age of Faith, talking about the Middle Ages, and then The Age of Reason, talking about the Enlightenment, and everything that led the predicated after is the American Revolution.
They call this the age of AI.
And they're serious.
When you read this book, they say it's a transition away from the faith of the Middle Ages and the reason of the Age of Enlightenment to something quite new and quite radical that's really based on a silicon chip and how that silicon chip is programmed and how artificial general intelligence is going to go even past what humans are able to program with these computers.
So we're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to get into more of this when Joe Allen returns and talking about transhumanism in the War Room.
Next.
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And what happens is when we put these behaviours into robots, they are easier to understand because they are much more familiar.
But it also means that they become very rich social characters.
And it may even mean that we empathise with them or maybe even develop a social bond with such robots.
I would say we're going to see an increase in robots for education because there's a lot of interest in that field.
People are investing in that.
There's someone here who wants to meet you.
Oh, oh.
My name is Moxie.
I'm a new robot.
What is your name?
I'm Riley.
It's nice to meet you, Riley.
What do you do to get ready for bed?
Brush my teeth and read a story.
And then what happened?
He said he didn't want to play with me anymore.
Thank you for telling me about your day.
Sometimes, holding a friend's hand makes me feel better.
Do you want to try squeezing my hand?
See you soon.
steve bannon
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Of all the stuff that you've shown me and all the clips that you've done, Joe Allen, cause you're a workhorse, you are a grinder.
I think this one, and you've shown me some pretty shocking stuff with scientists talking in different parts of debates.
I don't think anything sends a chill down my spine more than this.
Tell us what we just saw and project that out into the future of what's happening.
joe allen
Yeah, that was the embodied moxie.
You can imagine that more than likely homes across America and maybe Europe and elsewhere There will be at least a few where a kid gets an embodied Moxie for Christmas.
Now, you know, when I was a kid, we had automated toys.
I think Teddy Ruxpin was the big one.
And you just put a cassette tape in him and he talked.
He was really pretty boring.
Ended up in the corner pretty quick.
But the embodied Moxie and other artificial intelligence powered social robots like that thing They're becoming much more sophisticated and much more common.
What's interesting about them is that they're not only positioned as a device or an entity that will teach children, going forward, teach them lessons and tell them stories or whatever.
Ultimately, it's conceived that they will be kind of artificial intelligence entities, beginning with toys like that, will be lifelong companions that not only tell you things, but are constantly observing you.
They're constantly listening to you.
They're constantly absorbing your personality structure.
And feeding it into, not only through their own algorithmic processes, but more and more likely feeding it back into a central database so that larger, you know, more elaborate artificial intelligence systems, deep learning systems, can dig through a multitude of lives in the same way that presently cell phones do much the same thing, but this is a humanized version.
You're intended to empathize with it.
You will eventually come to see it as a semi-sentient or even sentient being that cares about you, and you will care about it, and it will drain you of your social energies that would otherwise go towards, you know, For kids playing with other kids or for, you know, grown adults who use things like chat bots, like replicas.
steve bannon
I want to make sure people understand that MOXIE and the embodied MOXIE is a convergence of a number of technologies I want to talk about here.
Number one, we continue to talk about advanced chip design.
We continue to talk about artificial intelligence or artificial general intelligence, the next level.
We talk about robotics or regenerative robotics.
This is where you see the conversion.
This is made between robotics, advanced chip design, and AI.
And advanced chip, and the reason I keep pointing out to the audience that the cell phone has as much computing capacity as the entire Johnson Space Center in 1968 that sent a man to the moon and brought him back.
And that's called Moore's Law.
And Moore's Law is the decreasing in size, the halving in size, and the, I guess, the doubling in capacity every 18 months to two years since the silicon chip was designed.
And no one thought it could continue on.
It's continued on, I don't know, for what, 60 years, 60 plus years?
It's the reason you have such advanced technology today.
It's the reason Neuralink exists.
The chips are so small, yet so powerful.
At the same time, but you've found these thinkers, they're saying, hey, as powerful as that has been in driving the modern world, artificial intelligence is not doubling every 18 months or two years.
It's going up by a factor of five or six.
Is that what this analysis is, Joe?
joe allen
Yes, that was reported.
There's a very accessible article at IEEE Spectrum.
I believe it's AI training outpaces Moore's Law.
But ultimately, the analysis is done by ML Commons.
The project is MLPerf, short for Machine Learning Performance, a consortium of engineers who track these things.
And they set the benchmark for this particular study, 2018 until sometime in the recent past, they've observed that rather than, in the case of hardware, of chips, which have more or less, give or take, advanced, they've doubled in processing capacity every two years, what they found is over this roughly two year period, that self-training, self-improving artificial intelligence systems,
deep learning systems, have improved 6.8 to 11 fold.
sevenfold.
That includes Google Systems, Microsoft, and also Habana Labs.
So, it's really, it's a short window, and so we don't know what will happen going forward for sure.
But if that trend increases, what we're at right now is the cusp of an absolute explosion in artificial intelligence capabilities.
This is largely driven by software Not by hardware, even though ultimately the hardware will have to keep up.
The software and the ability of these artificial neural networks, these kind of artificial human brains that exist in chips, you know, in silico.
These artificial neural networks, because they're training, On massive amounts of data.
And because they, you know, operate extremely quickly, like they're able to scour huge, huge data sets that no human being could ever comprehend.
And because, due to the neural network architecture, they function in some ways similar to the human neocortex.
Because they are thinking for themselves.
They're starting to produce a lot of novel observations about the world, as Eric Schmidt celebrates in his book and many others.
And, you know, in regards to, you know, natural language processing, you know, a lot of times systems like GPT-3 and Google systems, they'll spit out really, really nonsensical statements.
But when they put together a sentence, like when they respond, Either, you know, in a kind of chatbot formats or format or otherwise, they oftentimes put together remarkably coherent sentences.
So going back to the robots, going back to the social robots, if Denver has that b-roll of Amica that was just recently unveiled by Engineered Arts, Amica, as we see here, it really represents the height of kind of the face of of this artificial intelligence progress you know as you're looking at it you know a normal human being state triggers
the all the neural circuits that would uh... you know uh...
recognize another human you know we know that it's it's pure simulation It's simulacra.
It is not actually conscious.
It is not actually a humanoid entity in any meaningful way other than the way in which the robotics control its expression and movements.
But because artificial intelligence is this abstract concept, and because these machines are becoming more and more advanced in the way in which they present themselves, right, the way in which they're able to interact with human beings, the convergence of those two things
The convergence of advanced artificial intelligence systems with human-like or doll-like or whatever the preferred form is, you know, these sort of organism-like physical structures will result in, in many places, at least among people who can afford them, will result in the normalization of social robots.
You can take that one to the bank.
Within five to ten years, you're going to see things sort of like that, maybe not as advanced, everywhere.
steve bannon
Oh, you're going to see, by the way.
I want to go back when you say not conscious.
The ability to have so many thousands and thousands of micro observations about you and the ability of artificial intelligence to process this, it will almost, the social robots, one of the things I find the most scary is that it will be in its interactions with you almost like it has consciousness and quote unquote understands you.
Walk us through that.
joe allen
But you know, in just this brief moment, what you see with the social robots, to me, is it's a sort of deception, it's a trick.
It tricks the mind, it tricks the human being into relating to this entity, this digital entity, as if it were conscious.
And as artificial intelligence progresses, it will be armed with the same sorts of You know, verbal skills that would disarm you.
But behind that, there is a consciousness.
It's the robot's controllers.
It's the people who make them.
It's the people who buy them.
It's the people who deploy them.
There are human beings behind all of these, and those human beings ultimately will be the beneficiaries of all the personal information that you give, and then, of course, in the aggregate.
And that's the most important thing.
It's not just what they know about you.
Paranoid people I myself oftentimes feel that way, but it really has nothing to do with you.
It has to do with getting a full view of the landscape, and these are just yet another mechanism to draw out personal information and personal data in order to use it to better control the environment.
steve bannon
Okay, Joe, hang on one second.
We'll take a short commercial break.
We're going to return with Joe Allen and all things transhumanism in the War Room in just a moment.
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steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
Joe, we're doing this during the Advent season for a reason.
We think it's very important for the MAGA movement.
We always want MAGA and America First and the Trump movement to always be ahead of the curve, to always understand the signal not to noise, to be able to look over the other side of the hill, to be ahead of everybody.
We pride ourselves.
I think we get audience feedback all the time.
You know, you guys are months ahead of this.
I was talking about it.
My neighbors didn't understand.
Then later, months later, it was like, whoa, this is one of the reasons we're spending so much time on transhumanism.
And we're going to spend more because Joe Allen is absolutely right.
Starting early next year, you're going to be flooded with all these different technologies and things that are upon us.
So, Joe, put it in a framework.
How should people, because we have, you know, we've always said that the fight we're in is at the end of the day, it's a spiritual war.
Right.
We understand on a practical basis, we got these Marxists here in this country and kind of these globalists.
They're in business with the Chinese Communist Party, which is, at the end of the day, not about communism at all.
It's kind of an atheistic, materialistic, you know, worldview.
And that we have a, you know, we believe that our rights don't come from any government.
Our rights come from God, right?
They come directly from God to us.
There's no intermediary.
And that human beings are temples of the Holy Spirit, right?
They're embodied by this flame of life called the Holy Spirit.
So where are we in this great fight, which the next battlefront, and maybe the most overwhelming battlefront, is this whole driving towards the end of homo sapiens.
joe allen
You know, I think transhumanism, or technocracy, or techno-fetishism, the entirety of the technological infrastructure as it exists above us right now, forms a kind of false spiritual canopy over the individual mind, and insofar as it It's a false religious or spiritual canopy over the entire society itself.
and controls governmental processes or corporate processes, it's a kind of false religious or spiritual canopy over the entire society itself.
You could say that, you know, ultimately technologies control public consciousness and the technologists behind them are in many ways determining what that public consciousness is.
Now that has always been traditionally the role of religion.
And Marxists, you know, they wage a critique that religion has always been, you know, exploitative of the lower classes and that you can ultimately boil religion down to it being the opiate of the masses deployed by elites.
I completely disagree with that analysis as a whole definition of religion.
Religion is ultimately the deepest expression of the yearnings of humankind, and it has constructed in various societies, in various ways, it has constructed ideals, mythologies, rituals, which guide people, that guides the human soul towards something more, something beautiful, something that is connected, directly connected to the lives we lead now.
But ultimately transcends the foibles and mistakes and miseries that we have now.
And I think, you know, the Christian tradition in particular embodies this, this drive from, you know, creation through the tribal period, through the kingdoms which inevitably fall, through the prophets, and then ultimately into Jesus.
And the story of sacrifice and the story of, you know, ultimately it is a story of giving oneself over completely to divinity.
Now, transhumanism is based on something like that mythology, but instead of having a transcendent realm that is, you know, that has created the physical realm for a purpose and ultimately receives the souls from this physical realm into a higher, more sublime, more transcendent realm, transhumanism dreams that There can be a human made heaven, and that we can make heaven on earth through technologies.
It's very much reminiscent of the ultimate Marxist desire, that if you take care of all the material conditions here on earth, then people will have the luxury and the time to go on to do all the things that we would normally think of as heavenly, right?
To be happy, to be satisfied.
And I reject that personally entirely.
I think that technologies obviously have uses.
We're speaking right now through computers.
We will use technology throughout the rest of our day and throughout the rest of our lives.
But transhumanism as a concept and all the other forms that it takes out in the wider society, whether through the sorts of brainwashing campaigns that the media is pushing, or in the more lofty, insane sort of goals of the metaverse, or social robotics, or creating an artificial general intelligence that surpasses human beings.
All of these things, to me, represent a sort of material false god.
That it triggers all of the spiritual aspirations and physical, neurological aspirations that human beings normally have.
And lures them into a power structure in which they will be completely helpless and have absolutely no will, no agency, or no volition of their own.
They will be locked inside what may seem to be a satisfying cell, but ultimately it is a prison cell.
And I think that traditional religion is something very, very different from that.
And that, along with community, should be our focus.
steve bannon
Joe, real quickly, how do people get to your writings on warren.org?
joe allen
Go to warroom.org, click on the Transhumanism tab, or just check the Big Tech section.
You can find me on social media, Gab, Twitter, and Gitter, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, or joebot.xyz.
Thank you very much, Steve, and have a good holiday.
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