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Episode 1,474 – Tanya And Jack Posobiec: LIVEEpisode 1,474 – Tanya And Jack Posobiec: LIVE
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Paris has now killed more than 100 people in China, and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume... Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
That this is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
anthony fauci
We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, War Room.
unidentified
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome.
We're live.
It's Thursday, December 9, Year of Our Lord 2021.
You're in the War Room.
I've got my wingman here, Jack Pasovic, and we're going to have a special guest show up in a few minutes.
He's in studio.
This morning with Milius was so good, we decided to do it again.
jack posobiec
Sorry we had to come back.
Look, we were dropping so many receipts.
We were dropping so many bombs on Dr. Oz at first, and then on the CCP and the dictator Xi Jinping.
The amount of respect that the Biden regime is giving to him There's another word for that, Steve.
It's not respect.
It's tribute.
They are paying tribute to Xi Jinping.
That's why they're sending people over.
That's why they're doing this.
Look, history will not look kindly on this, but we even had so much more receipts.
There's so much more going on.
We've got a human ventilator.
We're doing a huge Ghislaine Maxwell special tonight.
The whole show tonight is about Ghislaine Maxwell.
We're dropping all the receipts.
steve bannon
About her father?
jack posobiec
Oh, we get into the father, the Daily Mirror, we get into the intel, we get into all of it, yes.
The Lady Ghislaine found off the coast of the Canary Islands, floating, unclothed, in the water, face down.
That's Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell's father.
steve bannon
That's how he met his end.
jack posobiec
She says, she believes her father was murdered.
She says that.
steve bannon
Oh, all the time.
jack posobiec
And the brother, Ian Maxwell, as well.
steve bannon
I want to bring in Boris Epstein.
Before I get to this, breaking news out of Georgia.
unidentified
I've got to stay between the Poles and the Russians here.
I gotta ask you though about- Stay on your side of the Donbass.
steve bannon
I know, I know you, Boris, you've been very focused on what's going on in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Posobiec is a son of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
jack posobiec
There's rumor- Well, Boris is from the same place as Dr. Oz, New Jersey.
unidentified
Yeah, son of the Ukraine, but- I thought Posobiec was the son of the Ukraine.
steve bannon
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
jack posobiec
Ukraine, is that even a real country?
steve bannon
I got a question, Boris.
This Dr. Osting, what is going on with this guy?
He's a Jersey guy, he's Erdogan's buddy, he's trying to be MAGA, he's hanging at Newsmax, but is this guy MAGA?
boris epshteyn
No, he's not, Maga.
Also, and it's an honor to be with you, Steve Jack.
Always great to see you.
You're a great patriot.
Great work out there on Dr. Oz, specifically.
First, I'm not really confident that the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania are comfortable with their senator being a dual citizen of the United States and Turkey, okay?
And yes, I know that Turkey's kind of a NATO member, but also kind of, let's be honest... You have to check every day with Turkey.
jack posobiec
You gotta check on a day to day basis.
steve bannon
Yeah.
boris epshteyn
Right.
Is that a problem?
They kind of are.
They kind of are, but they really are not.
steve bannon
You guys have a problem with him being a dual citizen?
jack posobiec
No, I have a problem with Turkey reneging on their agreement.
boris epshteyn
I'm an immigrant.
We came here, we're Jewish refugees from the former Soviet Union, from Russia, okay?
We are proud American citizens.
We're not trying to have it both ways.
And I'm not saying it's bad to have dual citizenship, but Turkey specifically, under Erdogan, is not a positive actor, and it's not really an ally of the United States, full breath.
And I've written before that Turkey should not remain in NATO.
That makes no sense.
First of all, geographically, it doesn't make any sense.
Logistically, it doesn't make any sense.
Strategically, it doesn't make any sense.
Okay, beyond that, Dr. Oz is not a conservative, okay?
He's pro-abortion.
Not pro-choice, he's pro-abortion, okay?
He is on the record saying things that have absolutely no room in the MAGA movement.
This guy is not a serious player, and I sincerely hope a serious player gets in that race in Pennsylvania, because we need somebody strong to take on either.
steve bannon
Hold it, hold it, hold it.
When you say he's not a serious player, he's being pimped out by Hannity and Chris Ruddy, Chris Ruddy Newsmax and Sean over his show.
jack posobiec
Politico and Fetterman are running polls with him.
steve bannon
Running polls?
Come on, what do you mean not a serious player?
jack posobiec
I do have one quick question.
boris epshteyn
He's not MAGA, he doesn't represent the base.
jack posobiec
And this is my quick question for Dr. Oz, you know, I don't care where somebody's from, that's where you're from, whatever, whatever.
But here's my question, here's my question.
Where do you stand on the Armenian genocide?
Sir, Doctor, do you recognize the genocide of the Armenians prior to World War I that took place at the hands of Turkey?
Because I've seen the Armenian National Congress has talked about this.
They've been tweeting at Dr. Oz asking him that basic question.
So Dr. Oz, give me a call, come on the War Room, come on Human Events Daily, whatever you want to do, be happy to have you on.
Get your answer on this very serious question.
steve bannon
Can you be Erdogan's buddy and say there's genocide?
jack posobiec
Nope.
steve bannon
That's impossible.
unidentified
No.
boris epshteyn
And you cannot be Erdogan's buddy and be the senator from Pennsylvania, a Republican senator from Pennsylvania.
That's something Democrats do, okay?
You can be Joe Biden and be Xi Jinping's buddy and become president, right?
A legitimate president.
I'm sorry.
You can steal an election.
But you cannot, absolutely cannot, be a Republican, a MAGA Republican, be Erdogan's buddy, and become a senator.
So, again, I'll say what I said before.
Dr. Oz should not be taken as a serious candidate, and I fully hope that a serious MAGA candidate Does emerge in Pennsylvania who takes on Conor Lamb and Federman?
steve bannon
There's nothing kind of lamb and Federman would like better than to have dr. Oz to absolutely Annihilate in an election. Okay, and this is a seat we have to win. Let's you have to let's let's move on Let's move on to Florida. Excuse me. Let's move on to Georgia, but I want to say I'm hearing drumbeats I'm hearing drumbeats out there for a draft Jack Posobiec movement.
I'm just saying, for the Senate.
So, we want all of our people in the live chats.
jack posobiec
Look, Steve, all I gotta say is, I love what I do right now.
I'm not considering a run anytime soon.
But I do get upset.
When I see the people of my commonwealth getting ripped off by China, getting ripped off by these leaders, getting ripped off by the Wall Street types, and when I see students from my own alma mater, Temple University, getting murdered in the streets, and then the DA comes up and does nothing about it.
It sticks in my craw, Steve, it really does.
steve bannon
And elections are being stolen.
We're going to talk about that in a second.
I've got a guy you've got to talk to.
jack posobiec
Mark Zuckerberg coming in, spending millions of dollars trying to swing our elections.
What's going on with this?
steve bannon
The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, 3 November in disgrace.
jack posobiec
Al Schmitt.
Al Schmitt, who I helped get elected in 2009 as the Republican on the Philadelphia election board, who turns around and stabs everybody in the back.
What's going on, Al?
What's going on, Al?
steve bannon
We're going to have Jack Pacific talk to this guy named Boris Epstein that's a master political strategist.
Okay, Boris, tell us what's going on in Georgia.
boris epshteyn
Here's what's going on in Georgia.
It's a major win for the 3 November movement.
And here's why it's a win.
An establishment Republican politician, part of a legacy family in Georgia, David Perdue, Has just signed on to a lawsuit today, has been filed as a plaintiff in an 80-page lawsuit plus 40 more pages of exhibits today to uncover those 140,000 mail-in and absentee ballots in Fulton County.
So that lawsuit, which was dismissed, remember, without prejudice by Judge Amaro, About Fulton County and uncovering the 140,000 absentee ballots has been refiled, and David Perdue, who yes, he's running for governor, has signed on as a plaintiff.
What does that mean for the 3 November movement?
That means that we are absolutely dominating Republican politics.
That to resurrect his political career, David Perdue knows full well what to do.
To come out there and say what he did not say, what he should have said last December, but now to come out and say it loud and clear, that this election was stolen.
This is a major win for MAGA and an example of the expansion of MAGA all throughout the Republican spectrum.
And this lawsuit—and by the way, Perdue is not the only plaintiff.
There's other plaintiffs.
There are plaintiffs—there are young plaintiffs who are students, voting-age students, who were not allowed to vote.
There are plaintiffs who were otherwise injured.
This is a really—I'm never going to say bulletproof, because you never know in our legal system—but this is a belt Suspenders and three more belts lawsuit.
This is a very strong lawsuit and it's going to really test the Georgia legal system if they're going to try not to allow the unsealing of those 140,000 ballots.
steve bannon
Okay, let me hear from you, and I want to pass over again here.
He came out, and he's been throwing it down hard, saying, with the information he had at the time, he would not have certified the electors.
With new information that's come out, he says it's absolutely impossible to certify him.
Where was his road to Damascus?
Was it trying to get Trump's endorsement?
I mean, David Perdue, let's be blunt, was not with us at all.
The reason that we've lost the Senate is that he went cold on us between the 4th of November But now he's got old-time religion.
Where was David Perdue's road to Damascus?
boris epshteyn
Here's the bottom line.
What is very clear is that David Perdue understands that two things happen.
His political career will be over if he does not acknowledge the facts, the facts that this election was stolen in Georgia and beyond.
And two, that unless he makes a significant move, he does not have a chance.
And now he's made that move.
And agree with David Perdue?
Disagree with David Perdue?
I will tell you that for our movement to have a plaintiff on this lawsuit, there's a lawyer I'll tell you.
To have a plaintiff on this lawsuit who was a candidate on 3 November, then a candidate again in January, and for him to lay out his injuries, to lay out how this was stolen from him, this is a very, very, very positive development for the movement, because it is a plaintiff, not somebody who's a voter, who should be enough, not somebody who's a citizen, which should also be enough, but an actual candidate, and it's a candidate for effectively the second highest
Third highest elected office possible in the United States, after president, vice president, then being a member of the US Senate.
So this is significant.
jack posobiec
You know, Bars, one thing that I'd like to throw down on there that I think everybody kind of knows, but if you're not as familiar with Georgia politics, the Perdue family in Georgia, you're talking, that is the new Southern aristocracy down there.
steve bannon
They made Kemp, Kemp's one of their grundoons.
jack posobiec
Right, now Kemp was.
steve bannon
But Perdue went to Trump and got, sold him on Kemp as one of his young lieutenants.
jack posobiec
So Kemp broke away, right, Kemp broke away from the family after he got elected.
A lot of that coming, a lot of that going around.
steve bannon
There's a lot of vendettas.
jack posobiec
Hold on, you got Nick Ayers' hands are all over this, right?
boris epshteyn
Southern Gothic.
steve bannon
This is Southern Gothic.
Hold on, you got Nick Ayers's hands.
Nick Ayers's hands are all over this.
Nick Ayers is the puppet master in back of this.
jack posobiec
You're seeing the family come back and say, Kemp, you went against the family.
You never go against the family, Kemp.
Look what just happened with Chris Cuomo and his family.
The family went down.
CNN deleted Chris Cuomo's entire account.
boris epshteyn
The archive is gone.
All that is correct.
And I said that this is the establishment of Georgia.
This is one of the legacy families.
That is all correct.
Full stop.
Also, our goal in the 3 November movement is to get to the bottom of what happened on 3 November 2020, to decertify and to show who actually won that election.
And I am confident that we will show that Donald J. Trump won the 2020 election.
With that goal in mind, this is, no matter how one feels about the Perdues, this is a positive development.
jack posobiec
Bars, what I'm saying is that the chessboard has just shifted, and now you've got a situation because Kemp did what he did in the aftermath of the election, now you've got the old family on the side of the November 3rd movement.
steve bannon
They've genuflected to the November 3rd.
You cannot win.
You cannot win now.
boris epshteyn
You cannot win.
unidentified
Right.
boris epshteyn
You cannot win without acknowledging the facts that this election was stolen, and we have to get to the bottom of it.
jack posobiec
Bars, think of that.
The Purdue name in the state of Georgia needs the grassroots, the Trump base, the MAGA base to win.
Think of that.
You go back five years, you go back ten years, you're Purdue, you're getting elected.
You're getting elected in Georgia.
The game has changed, the energy has shifted, and it's because of the power of the War Room Posse and this movement.
boris epshteyn
It's all, Jack, I agree with you 100%.
It is all about, it's not about, respectfully, Steve Bannon or Jack Posobiec or Boris Epstein.
It's all about the War Room Posse, the MAGA movement, the leadership of President Trump.
It's about our people, who all day, every day, put their shoulder to the wheel and say, we are not giving up, we're not taking a step back, and if you want to play in the sandbox, you've got to follow the rules.
steve bannon
We're jamming.
I've got to have you stay over.
I've got to get an update on Pennsylvania and we've got to get an update in Wisconsin.
Basobag was the guy there at the beginning of the Wisconsin movement.
We've got two quick updates.
Boris Epstein is going to stay through the break.
We've got a special guest that's going to join us here momentarily.
Be back in the warm in a moment.
unidentified
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steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
You're on The War Room.
We had a very special guest.
I want to introduce... A War Room premiere.
This is a War Room premiere.
Exclusive.
jack posobiec
Exclusive.
steve bannon
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
Mrs. Jack Pasovic.
Tanya Pasovic, thank you so much.
Last time I saw you, Tanya, you were on the stage at the New Federal State commemoration where you basically stole the show.
Your thing was absolutely incredible, but thank you for coming tonight.
We need to take Jack's game to the next level.
jack posobiec
Oh yeah, yeah.
Well, Steve, see, I was getting crap for being on here with Amanda Milius earlier.
They say, oh, look at him being friendly with Milius.
steve bannon
It was a little touchy.
It was a little touchy.
jack posobiec
Well, because we're sharing a mic, because we're gonna have a mic.
And they're like, oh, Jack's wife's gonna get upset about this, so then here she comes in for the next segment, all dolled up with the jewels, with the nails done.
boris epshteyn
She's on it, she's on it.
I doubt Jack's wife would fit in Amanda.
Milius is out.
jack posobiec
Milius is gone.
steve bannon
Manny Milius, when you get the response.
unidentified
Well, I got a memo.
Steve Bannon invited me, so I figured I'll dress up, put my best look on, and now I feel overdressed.
jack posobiec
You mean you got dressed up for Pozo, right?
steve bannon
No, for the war room.
unidentified
Oh, is that how it goes?
steve bannon
Wow.
Hold on, hold on.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
boris epshteyn
Pozo, the third person thing is kinda, I know Bob Dole passed away, rest in peace, but let's skip the third person, okay?
steve bannon
Okay, here we go.
unidentified
Hold it.
steve bannon
Here we go.
For the first time, another War Room exclusive.
We have Russia, Poland, and Belarus represented.
Is this a recombination of, like, the Empire?
jack posobiec
We are restoring the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Boris, you are welcome to join.
We had some Muscovites in there.
boris epshteyn
A Polish person and a Belarusian person is nice to a Jewish person.
That's wonderful.
Thank you.
jack posobiec
I really appreciate it.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, this is the settlement.
jack posobiec
This was the settlement, the pale of settlement.
This is, you know, when you go through the roof, that was pale in the settlement.
You are more than welcome to come, and we are welcome to ask you.
steve bannon
Before we get to Wisconsin, let's quickly do, let's do the Ukraine.
Tanya, your thoughts on all this?
You've got the war talks sounding here.
You've got U.S.
Senators saying that we're going to go to tactical nuclear weapons.
You've got U.S.
Senators, Republicans, saying we're going to have combat boots on the ground.
All three of you guys come from the region, right?
jack posobiec
Do you think that that region needs another war?
unidentified
Absolutely not.
I've seen the country Ukraine used to be.
I have a lot of friends from there.
And we actually visited it, I believe, 2017.
In the summer, yeah.
After the Maidan, we strolled the streets and it looked, if not devastating, completely just sad.
The city center looked like it went through a war.
And if anything, I think Ukraine could figure out all their political issues, all their local challenges on their own.
And I don't think they need any interference.
From either side.
Of any country at this point.
jack posobiec
Steve, we were there, it was July.
Middle of July, you'd think the streets would be lined with tourists and people going out.
It was dead.
Totally dead.
steve bannon
And this is right after he had the color of revolution.
jack posobiec
That's city senate.
steve bannon
Boris, why is Putin...
boris epshteyn
Here's the bottom line.
steve bannon
What's it...
Yeah, go ahead.
unidentified
Go ahead.
boris epshteyn
History, I think, is paved with very unfortunate interventions in that region.
And the last thing the United States needs now, while we don't have a southern border, while we just underwent a complete disaster in Afghanistan, where our economy is spiraling out of control, our supply chain is down thanks to Pete Buttigieg and his paternity leave.
The last thing we need to be thinking about and talking about is an intervention in the former Soviet Union between Russia and the Ukraine.
Yes, there's strategic interest there.
Yes, we absolutely need to ensure that America is respected and our allies are respected, but that should not include nuclear weapons of any kind, and that's ludicrous, or boots on the ground.
That is an absolute mistake.
jack posobiec
Well, Boris, did you see the AP story?
Did you see the AP story that dropped today?
Now this was supposedly a leak from inside Blinken's camp where they're discussing allowing the separatist regions in eastern Ukraine to have a degree of autonomy.
So to basically become like an autonomous province and then essentially set the stage for a potential breakaway From Ukraine, that this is apparently something that's being discussed at the highest levels of our State Department.
Now Jen Psaki and they're putting out the official statement, of course we deny, deny, deny, but apparently AP is putting out that this is something that they have on the negotiating stage that they want to essentially allow part of Eastern Ukraine to be able to leave and declare a quasi-independence from Kiev and I think we all know what that would lead to.
boris epshteyn
A thousand percent.
That would be a huge mistake.
And we've seen that in the region, the former Soviet Union, the wars between Russia and Georgia, and then the bloody, bloody, bloody war between Armenia and Iran.
Armenia and Azerbaijan with Nagorno-Karabakh.
This is the same kind of issue.
We absolutely cannot, as America, be fermenting war, which is what that would be.
Again, I am not passing judgment.
I'm sure that Joanne Reid is going to run some sort of story tomorrow.
Boris is a Russian spy.
I'm in no way saying that we should be with Russia.
Is that America should be should be working and fighting for American interests and it is not within American interest for us to be involved in a war between Russia and Ukraine and much less fermenting such war.
steve bannon
Let me get back to 3 November.
I'm going to come back to you guys in the next segment, because people don't realize this a lot.
They're both fluent speakers in Mandarin, and is this a misdirection play to take our eye off the ball of Beijing, the Olympics, and all that?
But Boris, before I let you go, Wisconsin, of which Pasobo was there at the very beginning, and Pennsylvania.
What's the update?
unidentified
Bob Spindell, the bobsled, will be vindicated!
steve bannon
What's up with Wisconsin?
What's happening there?
What's happening in Pennsylvania?
boris epshteyn
Judge Gabelman is a powerhouse in Wisconsin.
Absolute powerhouse.
He's conducting an investigation.
He's going to be adding some very strong folks to his team, from what I'm hearing.
And from what I understand, the information that's come out of the audit that was done in December, where there were 200,000 unlawful ballots uncovered in just Milwaukee and Dane County in an election where Joe Biden, President Trump are separated by 20,000, will come out to be just the tip of an iceberg of fraud and illegal ballots in Wisconsin.
And also, I'm going to say, Representative Tim Ramthorne, who put out the resolution to decertify, we want senators to join him in that resolution, Wisconsin state senators, because while the investigation is ongoing, the push to decertify has got to be ongoing as well.
And both are moving ahead and on the right track.
So Wisconsin, the freight train of audits is there already.
The investigation is being done.
And now it's all about getting the receipts fully out and decertifying, decertifying, decertifying.
unidentified
Thank you.
jack posobiec
You know, I remember that night that we stayed up watching the Bob Spindel, and you took that stand, I had the million, but the part that we've never mentioned about that night is Tanya sitting there, and she could hear me in the office, live, going into the wee hours of the night with this thing, and she's like, what are you doing in there?
Who's this Spindel guy?
steve bannon
Half the audience was Chinese, too.
People were learning about democracy that night.
It was one of the most powerful broadcasts you've ever had.
It was incredible.
Boris, anything in Pennsylvania?
We're burning daylight here.
What's happening in Pennsylvania?
boris epshteyn
Next week, huge in Pennsylvania.
The next hearing is on the 15th.
That is on Wednesday.
That is the hearing in the lawsuit that's been now consolidated by the AG Josh Shapiro, who we know wants to be governor and president.
Okay, you're going to join us tomorrow morning.
We're going to go through this redistricting.
steve bannon
Now it's a firestorm.
The DOJ is getting involved.
We understand the stakes are very high in this.
Boris is going to come back tomorrow.
Boris, how are the people following you on social media?
You've been on fire.
boris epshteyn
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Stay strong.
God bless.
I'll see you tomorrow on Redistricting.
steve bannon
The headline is, Purdue says that Georgia should have been decertified, right?
CNN's all over him right now about saying that they're in full meltdown.
Before we go to break, I'm going to ask both of you guys, because I don't think people know the story, you actually met in China about the... No, no, no, here in D.C.
boris epshteyn
D.C.
jack posobiec
before China.
steve bannon
You both speak Mandarin though, you both lived there.
jack posobiec
Yeah, the story goes, we meet in DC at this Bible study that a buddy of mine in the Navy had set up, and then his wife was a Ukrainian immigrant, and then you knew her.
We meet at this thing, and over Skype, we were doing a Skype with one of the Chinese house churches back in Beijing.
steve bannon
That night when you met.
jack posobiec
That night that we meet.
And this is where people, by the way, blowing through the firewall, right?
They can get access to Christians here in the United States.
We can give them support.
We can help them out.
We actually don't talk about that very much.
I don't want to give out too many details.
Of course, me being Mr. I want to go and show off a little bit for, you know, the blondes.
steve bannon
Jack the Soap, Jack the Soap needs to show off.
jack posobiec
And I go over and I say, I start talking to them in Chinese.
And I'm like, oh, ni hao, ni hao, xi xie, lai dao, he wo men, zai ji bian, he pei wo men zai zhe ge xin zhong.
And then Tanya comes up and she starts speaking to them in better Chinese than me.
unidentified
Wo men hao, ni men zi me yang.
Wow.
jack posobiec
And I'm like, who is this girl?
What is going on?
unidentified
Interestingly enough, we studied Chinese separately.
So I studied it at Minsk University in Belarus.
Jack studied it while being an exchange student in Shanghai.
But we meet here in America by this Fate or God's help and I mean a hand of Providence There's only a few things like there's not many times in my life where I could say that in the province meeting her Oh Jack, there's oh, there's more to the story.
steve bannon
I'll tell you one of his are you married up so much?
And I also want to get your take on this misdirection play of the Beijing Olympics, NBC, all of it.
jack posobiec
We need to talk about it.
steve bannon
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to turn to the War Room.
We've got the Posobics.
They're live, going to the big Claremont Gala tonight in Washington, D.C.
We'll be back in the warm in a moment.
unidentified
It's all started, everything's begun, and you are over.
Because we're taking down the CCP.
Spread the word all through Hong Kong.
We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when there is no more.
Let's take down the CCP.
They have all lied for too long.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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One thing I've learned from entering this famous world is that when you get negative attention, whether it's from trolls or tabloid media, and people say to you, oh, just ignore it.
That's what they want.
If you give them attention, this is literally what they want.
The issue is if you don't say anything, you're giving them a space for them to speak for you.
And your silence sometimes speaks enough for them to be able to commandeer your story.
But I mean, it's tricky because you don't want to be constantly just responding to every single crazy, crazy thing that they say.
One thing I want you guys to start to maybe hear from me is that there is a difference between covering a news story and creating a news story.
We oftentimes have people creating news stories about us.
Now, my husband is suffering from PTSD right now.
It's something that, not just from what happened recently, but he's been suffering from this for a very, very, very long time.
And these people know this, and they want to poke at him, and they want to upset him, and then they want to create news about this.
So if you create a news story, then the next day there's going to be tons of paparazzi, and there's going to be more stories that come off of that, and there's more clicks, and more shares, and money, which is ultimately what this is all about.
I'm at a place where I'm tired of not talking and I want to get to a place where I can use my voice to show you that this is not just a famous thing.
steve bannon
Let me have it.
It just kind of rambles on.
So the great Tim Pool, I was at the... Listen, we specialize in signal not noise.
As you know, we normally don't cover stories like this.
However, Brian Williams last night undoing the 11th Hours tonight.
Rachel Maddow has retired starting April 1st to go do West Wing types of things.
George Clooney's not going to be engaged in politics.
jack posobiec
Is she going to be in the secret meetings?
steve bannon
The secret briefings?
Yes, to build narrative.
But the key here, the buried leave here, was when she said Baldwin has had PTSD, which is an insult to our troops, but for a very, very long time.
jack posobiec
But then she adds, she adds, you thought she was going to say he has PTSD from this event, which of course would make sense, but then she adds the second line, and that's what I want to pick up on, For a long time.
steve bannon
Very, very long time.
jack posobiec
She is trying to build his defense case for the murder trial.
steve bannon
And I'll tell you something else, and I know... Hold on, hold on, you don't think it's, it's not murder, it's an accident, right?
jack posobiec
I think... He didn't even pull the trigger.
No, no, look, look, look, let me tell you guys something.
unidentified
The guns shoot on their own, right?
jack posobiec
Yeah, the guns shoot on their own, right, yeah, exactly.
steve bannon
Come on, Tony.
You're edgier than Jack.
I like that little dig in there.
jack posobiec
They've gone through every single permutation of this.
Even CNN and Washington Post are throwing him under the bus now.
steve bannon
The Washington Post story was terrible.
jack posobiec
And it was Glenn Kessler.
Even with his fact check, the lead fact checker of the Washington Post is going after Alec Baldwin.
I've never seen him go after anybody on the left before.
They brought on the armor.
They brought on gun experts on CNN saying, look, this is a single-action, long-colt, antique revolver.
Every Western you've ever seen.
steve bannon
They went through all four movements of the trigger.
Hammer goes down.
jack posobiec
Hammer goes down, and you can fan those, right?
You can do something.
So there is a theory, though.
There's one theory out there that he had the trigger depressed.
He had the trigger pushed all the way down.
And then he hit the hammer and let go, fanning it, you know, like the old westerns.
So you fan it down, that will break.
So what is going on here?
steve bannon
What's with the wife?
jack posobiec
Let me tell you what really happened though.
What's the one thing that we know about Alec Baldwin outside of his politics and outside of his movies?
steve bannon
Hair trigger temper.
jack posobiec
He's the one with a hair trigger, not the Colt .45 that he was using.
This was the guy.
Look at the New York Post.
Look at John Levin's story right there, his video.
What are you doing in New York, Mr. Baldwin?
steve bannon
Start screaming.
That was outside of Woody Allen's house.
That was Woody Allen's house, right?
jack posobiec
When the only guy, the only person standing between you and Alec Baldwin is his wife.
Right?
We know this guy gets triggered very easily.
So let me paint a picture for you.
You're on a movie set.
You're over budget.
You're the producer of this thing.
You've got people quitting left and right.
You're over time.
You're out there for four weeks.
And then you got some DP in your face who's all intense telling you, you gotta do this, you gotta do this, you gotta do that, move it this way, move it that way.
steve bannon
Hold it, hold it, hold it, slow down.
He said she was a dear friend and the very first thing he got when he got there, they had dinner.
jack posobiec
Track it, track it back.
I'm tracking his statements.
His first statement We're friends.
We had dinner.
Then when he goes to ABC with Stephanopoulos, what does he say?
He says, well, she's intense and she's a very hard worker.
And we're on this set late nights.
And I say, do you want it like that?
Do you want it like that?
Do you want to like that?
Do you like that?
Can you see it?
Can you see it?
And he's saying it very slowly.
But I've heard Tim Pool and Viva Frye and a few other people, lawyers, Andrew Branca, that have looked at this and said, look, He's saying it nice and calm in this interview, but imagine you're on the set.
Do you like that?
And then this is a DP.
The idea of a DP, a cinematographer, they don't direct the A-list actor.
The A-list actor gets direction from the director or nobody else.
And he even says, it's an incidental shot.
It might not even be used in, you know, talking about the scene, it might not even be used in the final.
This guy is talking about getting really frustrated, having someone in his face, snapping at him, And how hard is it, a woman, from the Ukraine, and how hard is it to believe or to imagine, and I wouldn't say this about anybody else if it wasn't Alec Baldwin, but because we already know this fact about Alec Baldwin's character for years.
You saw what he did to his daughter when she was just 11 years old, screaming at her, calling her a pig, everything else.
We've seen that he's gone after, he's assaulted people in the street, he's on camera for years doing this.
steve bannon
Almost assaulted Levin the other night.
jack posobiec
Almost assaulted Levin the other night.
But Levin can handle himself.
He's a scrapper.
He's a scrapper.
So, when it comes down to it, how hard is it to believe that Alec Baldwin, out of frustration, says, do you like that, pulls the trigger while it's pointed at her, doesn't realize that he's got a hot one in the chamber, it goes off, strikes her under the armpit.
steve bannon
Tonya, what's your take on his wife?
Do you think their media is too left-footed here because they've done social media, did the interview, they've tried to put forward another alternative?
Now he's down Twitter because it's not working for him.
jack posobiec
I had a question for Tonya real quick too.
You know what you don't hear mentioned on there at all?
unidentified
The victim.
jack posobiec
The victim.
I knew you would think that.
unidentified
She doesn't want somebody who is a mother herself who has little boys.
When I heard about the accident, my first thought was about her little son who is now going to grow up without the mother.
Nine years old.
I thought about the dad who now has to play two roles of being a full time dad and mom.
And nowhere in the interviews I don't hear Alec Baldwin speaking out of it too much.
Somehow it's all about himself.
It's all about his PTSD and him going through this emotional period.
And I think I heard the interview where he called it the The the hardest time in his life and here's his wife basically singing the same song saying Even so what and and suddenly we're seeing him being portrayed as a victim.
jack posobiec
Did you see that's exactly they're trying to it's a hundred percent you nailed People think she's just eye candy, but no no, no, it's the same way with me.
unidentified
I'm not Just a lot of you says on there.
jack posobiec
They they said do you feel guilty and he said no?
No, I don't feel guilty.
Why would I feel guilty?
He says that.
unidentified
I didn't pull the trigger.
steve bannon
Pretty harsh.
jack posobiec
He says that he doesn't even feel guilty when there's a nine-year-old boy who, take the politics out of it, right?
Just as a person, as a person, you got to feel something, don't you?
steve bannon
Are these two prototypical narcissists?
Is that what we're seeing here?
jack posobiec
You know, there's this thing on the internet lately where every girl says about her ex-boyfriend that, oh, he was a narcissist.
Oh, he was a narcissist.
I had to dump him because he was a narcissist, right?
And it's become like this meme.
But I think with Alec Baldwin or Jussie Smollett or some of these guys, I mean, obviously, this isn't something that's uncommon to Hollywood.
Yeah, that actually is a true narcissist who does not have emotions or empathy for others.
steve bannon
With all the other things going on in the world, why is it important, in your belief, because you're pretty good at curating these things, why is it important to follow this story?
jack posobiec
Oh no, this one is huge, this is huge.
Look, we saw what the mainstream media, because Steve, we're living in an era of regime politics.
Alec Baldwin has been an asset of the regime for years, for absolute years.
He's used his star power, he's used his celebrity to be one of the most vocal people against this movement for all of it.
And so now he's done something like this.
And we've been talking for all this time about justice in this country.
Do we have a two-tiered system of justice or do we have laws that apply to everyone equally or do we have selective prosecution of political dissidents to the regime?
Now the regime is faced with a tough question.
Here's a guy that we've been using for years to attack Trump, to attack his movement, to attack his supporters, and he's committed murder.
He's killed someone.
He's killed someone who worked for him.
What do we do?
How do we get him out of this?
And I think at the end of the day, the regime's going to say, and you're starting to see this with CNN, with Washington Post, the sheriff came out and said, look, there was a gun in someone's hand and that gun went off and that killed someone.
And that someone's hand was Alec Baldwin.
steve bannon
Is this why you've seen the Washington Post with this brutal article?
Is this why you even see ABC?
The regime is going to choose themselves!
ABC kind of walked him into a trap.
Is that what you're saying?
jack posobiec
You can't!
You can't!
Walk away from this, right?
unidentified
You don't have any... Is this connected to the Cuomos?
steve bannon
About how the regime is kicking them?
jack posobiec
Look, you've also got to say at the end of the day, this is a white Christian male, and that is not someone that the regime is interested in supporting these days.
You are the enemy.
So if you're not someone who's down with the squad, if you're not someone who's... You could be someone who's committed your entire life To singing the principles of wokeism, critical race theory, systemic racism, etc, etc.
But if you're a white Christian male, they'll cut you loose.
steve bannon
The regime will cut you loose.
Before we go to break, I gotta ask you, you know, start with Tom.
jack posobiec
But Joy Reid can say whatever she wants, every single night.
steve bannon
I don't know, we like Joy Reid.
jack posobiec
But that being said, Joy Reid is my favorite show, and I love it.
steve bannon
I watch it cover to cover.
Beijing, Olympics, you guys know the regime.
Tanya, we just did this diplomatic thing.
jack posobiec
Should... And Steve, she was in China.
steve bannon
I visited Beijing.
Should we cancel our team going there and should NBC, should we boycott NBC's coverage of these Olympics given the British came out today with a report that says absolutely no doubt it's genocide among the Uyghurs.
unidentified
I would support the opinion that we definitely should skip those Olympics and somebody needs to be held accountable.
And I think at this point, China needs to pay.
They need to face the consequences of their action.
I would agree with that.
jack posobiec
People always say that in 1936, why did they let Hitler hold the Olympics in Berlin in 36 when he was already doing what he was doing?
Think of how history is going to look at this 40, 50, 60 years in the future.
steve bannon
You think, what about NBC?
NBC's giving these guys, what, $2 billion?
What should be done?
MSNBC.
jack posobiec
MSNBC's deep in bed with it.
steve bannon
Is Rachel Maddow or Ari Melber, where are they right now on the genocide?
I don't see any, I don't see complete crickets out of these guys.
jack posobiec
Look, and I know that you were on with Matt Gaetz earlier today.
I think that the next commission that we are going to need is to find out every single member of the American corporate media that is in bed with the CCP.
Why are you laundering their propaganda lines?
Why are you going after Falun Gong?
We need a full investigation with subpoena power and bring them before Congress and make them testify.
Let's go after their Verizon records.
Let's go after their cell phones.
Let's go after their emails.
Who's telling you to go after the Chinese dissidents of the Laobai Xing?
Who is telling you to downplay the genocide of the Uyghurs and the forced abortions that are going on?
We're going to get every single piece of it come 2023 in the new Congress.
steve bannon
By the way, it's a great team.
Natalie Winters, back from college, is going to join us tomorrow.
She's going to be in studio tomorrow as our co-host.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
When we return, we've got the Pasoviks are in the house in the war room.
unidentified
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steve bannon
I'm here with the King of Getter already.
I mean, you talked to Posobiec all over Twitter.
He's been at Getter like three weeks.
He's already at the top.
I'm very upset that you're the higher influencer than I am.
jack posobiec
Yeah, they sent me the influencer metrics or something.
steve bannon
And, of course, Posobiec, for him, it's a business.
The social media stuff is a business.
jack posobiec
It's a good business.
steve bannon
Quite impressive.
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jack posobiec
Real quick on that, one thing we're doing with MyPillow is we're actually, we bought some extra stuff.
We're going to be donating it to our local church or going to the parish.
steve bannon
That's a great idea.
jack posobiec
It's a way to add in, because, you know, we were making a, you know, a purchase anyway.
Just, you know, you double it up and they get some stuff to donate.
steve bannon
And then give it to the needy, to the less fortunate.
Breaking news right now, New York City, on his way out, de Blasio is saying that 800,000 non-citizens, I think, can vote in New York City.
Tanya, you've been here as a green card holder.
unidentified
Correct, yes.
steve bannon
Walk me through that.
Do you think green card holders, non-citizens, should have the right to vote here in the United States?
unidentified
So when I got my green card, I remember talking to people and number one thing they said, please, if they ask you to register to vote, do not do this.
Because if it somehow comes in the records that you did vote while being a green card holder, you will get deported.
Period.
Nobody's going to discuss it with you.
It's illegal for a green card holder to vote.
steve bannon
What's driving this?
Is de Blasio on his way out?
jack posobiec
I think he's just making it official.
Do you really mean to tell me that every single person with a green card in New York City is not voting already?
There's going to be people like Tanya that say, hey, I want to be a citizen.
I want to go through things the right way.
I don't want my name on some list.
I want to go turn now to Christmas.
five years?
unidentified
It is five years.
jack posobiec
Yeah, five years for green card.
And then so it's – you got people like that, but I bet you also got other people out there that say, yeah, I'll vote, sure, why not?
steve bannon
I want to go turn now to Christmas.
So tell us the difference between how you celebrate it and commemorate it in the Ukraine when you were younger and how the – In Belarus.
Belarus.
And how do you do it in the Pacific household today?
unidentified
So I'm the lucky one because I get to celebrate the American Christmas on December 25th.
Then we have a huge New Year's celebration and the Russian Orthodox Christmas is celebrated the week after.
So for two weeks there is basically a party in a post-Soviet household.
jack posobiec
So we do basically, we celebrate Little Christmas, as you would say in Western Christianity, but in Eastern Christianity, that is, they have like a later Christmas, because they go off the old calendar.
steve bannon
They're on the old calendar, right?
unidentified
Yes, the old calendar.
jack posobiec
And so we actually do a little bit of both.
steve bannon
Are the traditions any different?
Let's walk through the traditions.
What is different?
unidentified
They're very similar.
I feel like the Orthodox Christmas is more It has less to do with gifts because in Eastern Europe you usually get all your gifts on New Year's Day.
So the rule is you go to bed and then on the 1st of January you get to open all the gifts.
steve bannon
You mean after New Year's Eve?
unidentified
Correct, yes.
So New Year's would be coming before Christmas.
Yes, and then Christmas... Before the official Christmas.
Correct.
And then the official Christmas on January 6th to the 7th.
It's all about Jesus.
People usually go to church.
There is an overnight service.
The services are hours long.
steve bannon
Very intense.
jack posobiec
Incense.
steve bannon
Singing.
unidentified
The icons.
And you do the crosses.
It's very traditional in that sense.
steve bannon
Have we seen a rejuvenation of Orthodox Christianity in the former states of the Soviet Union, do you believe?
unidentified
I believe so, yes.
As you know, in the USSR, there was no religion.
Every single household, every single political building, they had a picture of Vladimir Lenin.
He was the God, he was the one people would, you know, look up to and pray to.
But after USSR fell off, people turned more to the religion.
They wanted something to believe in, and they did turn to God back.
jack posobiec
Yeah, we should throw that out there.
I don't know if we really introed.
For any people who don't know my wife, so Tanya was born, it was still the Soviet Union.
Then while you were growing up, you went through that transition of the Soviet period, the USSR fell, and then into what's now the Republic of Belarus.
The specific part that she's from of Belarus actually used to be considered East Poland or the Pale of Settlement, which I was – that's what I was getting at when Boris was on, was that this was that area that was kind of between Poland, between Russia, and heretofore had been considered in some times a province, and then it became a province of the USSR, and now finally for the first time ever its own republic, the Republic of Belarus.
steve bannon
I've got to – you guys have got to do some more Mandarin before we leave if you can do that, because I keep getting – I keep pitching you it's the best, it's the biggest show in the world.
jack posobiec
I really don't know.
I still don't know.
He said, then he said, the two of us have to do it together.
We have our own TV station, and a Czech and an Iowa TV station, and we don't use this station.
unidentified
Very good.
Very good.
We can sing together.
Sing?
What song?
We can sing together.
Sing? What song?
jack posobiec
She said she wants to sing and do a Christmas special.
No, I want to do a Christmas special.
unidentified
She says it's her show so she can do it.
steve bannon
For GTV, our guys at GTV and Gnews, I've been saying the number one show in the world I could do is have you two have a family show with entertainment and all that.
unidentified
Tanya, thank you so much for coming by, we've got to do this more often.
steve bannon
And so Claremont tonight?
jack posobiec
Claremont Galley.
We're on our way there right now.
steve bannon
You look amazing.
jack posobiec
See you soon, Arthur.
steve bannon
Okay, it's going to be fantastic.
We're going to take a break.
We'll be back at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning, and Natalie Winters will be in the house as our co-host as we celebrate the holiday season, the Christmas season here tomorrow morning.
We're also going to have Chris Ruffo on.
See you tomorrow morning, 10 a.m., in The Word.
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