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Episode 1,452 – Pro Life Victory At The Supreme Court/Dems Promise RevolutionEpisode 1,452 – Pro Life Victory At The Supreme Court/Dems Promise Revolution
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unidentified
on women's rights, on our privacy, on the attempt to have state control of our personal health, really is what we would see in an authoritarian state.
It's not what we would expect in New Hampshire.
I think if you want to see a revolution, go ahead, outlaw Roe v. Wade and see what the response is of the public, particularly young people.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome to the War Room, Wednesday, 1 December, Year of the Lord 2021.
We're going to go immediately.
By the way, that is a sitting United States Senator yesterday threatening Revolution among young people.
She couldn't be more off.
We're going to have polling about the young in a later segment about new polling that's come out today from Harvard.
It's pretty shocking about the lack of support of Joe Biden and this kind of radical regime.
But that is a sitting United States Senator, Shaheen, Senator Shaheen from New Hampshire, threatening a revolution as Roe v. Wade is ever overturned.
And today, a historic day, probably the most important argument in front of the Supreme Court, in a long time. We're going to go to Terry Schilling, a friend of the show from the American Principals Project. Terry's in front of the Supreme Court.
Terry, put us in the room.
What's happening outside?
unidentified
There are thousands of people outside the Supreme Court right now where the Supreme Court is going to hear the famous Dobbs case. This is a case where they're hearing whether or not a 15-week ban on abortions in Mississippi is going to be held constitutional or not.
This is our opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade, and that's why there's so much energy here right now.
Steve, just look at this crowd.
It is 90 to 10 pro-life versus pro-choice.
The momentum is on the pro-lifer side, and it's really electric over here.
I can barely hear you guys.
steve bannon
Terry, why do they keep saying, this is everything we're seeing on polling, demographics, all of it, is that the momentum is on our side now, and on the side of the Right to Life movement.
Why does the media keep playing it differently?
You're seeing it right there.
I just want to make sure.
Of the crowd, 90% are pro-life, only 10% are pro-abortion, correct?
unidentified
No, that's correct, Steve.
They're losing.
Our media is not a media.
They're not the news anymore.
They are a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party, of the Marxist left, of the woke progressives.
There's no separation anymore.
And that's why they're covering us up.
They know that they're about to lose, and they're scared.
And so they want to make it, they want to make it, they want to make being pro-life the new racism, right?
They want to make you, if you're pro-life, they want to make you alone.
They want to isolate you.
They want to make you feel weird.
Simply because you want to protect unborn babies.
That's what they're trying to do here.
steve bannon
Why is it even the left is saying they have to start thinking about a post Roe v. Wade, a post Roe environment?
Walk us through just the basics of the two legal arguments today and what we had Father Frank on here for 30 minutes yesterday.
Why is it legally, in the structure of the legal argument, are you guys so confident about this?
terry schilling
Look, Steve, the reason we're so confident is, number one, we do, on paper, have a 6-3 majority in the Supreme Court.
unidentified
Now, we could get screwed, and we're all prepared for that possibility.
But, at the end of the day, the arguments for Roe, everyone agrees.
Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg believed that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided, that there were major problems with it, major flaws.
And that's why we're bullish here.
We have a very simple argument.
We're arguing that it's in the interest of the states and in the interest of the people to protect unborn children when they can feel pain.
That's as simple as possible.
We're humanizing the unborn child.
That's what the left has done so well is they've dehumanized the unborn child.
They use words like fetus.
They use words like embryo and they act like it's just a tissue that you're getting removed.
What we all know now is that science tells us is that at 15 weeks the baby can feel pain and that's what the Supreme Court decision is about is whether or not we can protect babies when they can feel pain.
Is that what makes you human or not or is it when you're viable?
steve bannon
Why was it it was Mississippi?
You know, we had Father Frank on.
There have been many, many decades where it didn't look like any real movement was taking place here.
What happened in Mississippi that brought this day and made this day possible?
unidentified
So, for those of your listeners that, you know, just aren't as familiar with all the legal stuff and the political stuff, there was a huge shift in the pro-life movement after the 2012 election when we lost to Obama.
And it shifted from supporting an overall amendment to the Constitution to protect life to a more practical legal matter of overturning Roe.
And what they settled on ...was 20 weeks and 15 weeks.
And that was the point at which the baby could feel pain.
So, what people don't realize is that Roe decided that you couldn't ban abortion before the baby was viable, before the baby could survive outside the womb.
That's when they said that your human rights begin.
What this does is it questions that premise entirely, and it says, no, your humanity begins well before that, when you can feel pain.
And so this movement has gained a lot of traction because we've humanized the unborn.
We have 3D ultrasounds now.
We know so much more about the unborn child than we did when Roe was decided.
That was 50 years ago.
Almost 60 years ago.
It's long past time, but this is all about humanizing the unborn child.
That's the big difference here.
steve bannon
Terry, if you can hang on for one second, I want to bring in Terry Beatley from the Hosea Institute.
Tell us, how did groups like yours make this possible?
Because we had Father Frank on your state.
He started in the 1990s during the Clinton administration.
There were a couple of dark decades here when it looked like this was settled law and nothing was going to change.
So tell us what happened.
unidentified
Well, I think, number one, it's tenacity to never give up.
I mean, because we are in a battle.
This is a fight.
And as far as the part that Jose Initiative played, because I have traveled the nation, at least 25 different states, teaching tens of thousands of people and waiting for the catalyst for this to go nationwide and grind it all the way down to the grassroots level, it's more and more people are finding out How do you mean deceiving?
industry of abortion is it's literally based on lies and most of those lies were perpetrated by nara approach choice of america which was the first pro abortion political action organization founded by doctor bernard nathan son one of the co-founders and i doctor nathan son admitted to deceiving the american public and the courts of our land and uh... in fact steve when he resigned from how do you mean deceiving what it what he specifically to see people on
They use eight points of propaganda.
So the first thing they did was they fabricated the argument around choice.
All Americans love choice.
We all love choice.
Second thing is they crafted the cynical slogans, my body, my choice, every baby a wanted baby.
They used the media.
They repeated the lies.
And here are the big lies.
Number one, Dr. Nathanson would tell the reporters back in the late 60s, early 70s, that a million women are having back alley abortions, one million.
It's an epidemic.
And 5,000 to 10,000 women a year are dying due to complications of illegal abortions.
The problem with those numbers, Steve, they were all bald-faced lies.
According to Dr. Nathanson, he said on the high side, there were about 99,000.
There were never 5,000-10,000 women dying a year.
On the high side, it was 200-250.
On the low side, we're down into the single digits and 20s.
Never 5,000-10,000.
women dying a year. On the high side it was 200, 250. On the low side we're down into the single digits in 20s. Never 5,000, 10,000. When I interviewed Dr.
Nathanson on this day, 12 years ago, I said, Dr. Nathanson, where did you get the 60 percent polling number that 60 percent of Americans back in the late 1960s wanted abortion on demand legalized?
And he, I'll never forget it, he was 83 years old, Steve, frail, and he reached his hand in the air and he pulled it down.
He said, Terry, I pulled it out of thin air, 60%.
He said the real number was one-tenth of 1% of Americans wanted abortion on demand legalized back in the late 60s, early 70s.
steve bannon
Hold it.
In the mainstream media, nobody ever checked that.
Nobody verified it.
Because that's the number you hear repeated all the time.
unidentified
That's right.
steve bannon
He submitted to you.
He just made it up out of thin air.
unidentified
That's it.
steve bannon
It was one tenth of one percent.
And nobody ever questioned him or challenged him on that.
unidentified
No.
And this was one of his tactics.
He realized very quickly that most of the reporters were young.
Was this all based on a tissue of lies?
universities and he was an OBGYN Steve so he's whatever 50-some years old they're 20-something. He's an authority figure. Absolutely and he told me he said they were like wet clay. Was this all based on a tissue of lies is that what you're saying? The entire thing is based on lies.
And in fact, Steve, when he resigned from NARAL, well, actually, I think it's important for your listeners to know that six months after he celebrated the Roe v. Wade decision, the founder of NARAL Pro-Choice America, America's abortion king, the father of the industry, sees the baby for the very first time on a brand new technology, real-time ultrasound.
And in the year that we got Roe v. Wade decision, The father of the abortion industry begins his pro-life conversion, and America doesn't know his story.
steve bannon
Yeah, tell this.
He actually converted.
He became a... and part of it was the technology.
You could see actually life itself immediately.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
It's real-time ultrasound up to that point.
When I interviewed him, I was thinking he had not seen any pictures, but he had seen the still pictures.
But it was the first time.
steve bannon
And he converted to being pro-life over time.
unidentified
100% pro-life.
Never told.
By 1979, he was 100%, no exceptions, rape, incest, life of the mother.
He was trying to figure out how, if the woman doesn't want the baby, how could we remove the baby?
How early could we remove the baby to maybe afford the woman her wishes and save the baby's life?
steve bannon
Let me go back.
Terry Schilling.
Terry, is it the convergence of all these forces that have brought us here today to the Supreme Court?
Is it the cultural change, the technology change?
America's different than it was back in the 70s.
Some would say more callous, but I think in this regard there's been so many laws passed and obviously women are, you know, equal part of the workplace and, you know, in the military.
Is it the convergence of social forces, economic forces, and now politics that have brought us today that could be a great victory?
unidentified
Yeah, Steve, I think it's a combination of everything.
I mean, we've had so much going for us to get us to this point.
We've had so many setbacks over the years.
But ultimately, Steve, I think the reason that we're here is because the American people are still good.
The American people have not given up on overturning Roe.
They've kept fighting.
There's been a dedicated group of people ever since Roe that wanted to protect the unborn and right that wrong.
And they haven't given up.
And now they're starting to see the fruits of their labor.
And frankly, Steve, We wouldn't be here without the War Room Posse either.
You know, I mean, this is the thing, like, elections have consequences.
Politics matters.
It changes the culture.
It changes the unborn.
It can protect people.
And that's why we're here.
We're here because of your listeners, because of the voters that put Trump into office, and all the hard work.
You know, Kavanaugh's nomination, by the way, would have been blown up and sabotaged if it wasn't for the War Room Posse.
You guys were on the front lines defending these people.
I mean, it's a no-brainer.
steve bannon
Tough stuff.
Hey, Terry, real quickly, the argument's going to start at 10.
People can follow it on audio.
We'll put the audio number up there.
What are the key arguments?
What are the words, the buzzwords?
What should the audience be listening for today during this historic argument?
unidentified
You need to listen for specifically Kavanaugh, John Roberts, and Amy Coney Barrett and how much they actually are involved in this discussion.
I think the fear is that people like Amy Coney Barrett or Brett Kavanaugh or John Roberts end up getting weak-kneed and they just kind of sit this one out and punt it back to the status quo.
So you want to listen for words like undue burden.
You want to listen for things like viability and if they're really concerned about that or if they're actually taking the humanity of the unborn child into consideration.
But how much are they talking about pain and how much the unborn child can feel pain?
How much they're talking about that is going to tell you a lot about whether or not they think the unborn child is a human being deserving of basic human rights like the right to life.
steve bannon
Terry, how do people follow you at American Principles Project?
And today on Twitter and Getter, how do they follow you as you're outside reporting on this?
unidentified
Yeah, so I'll be live-streaming this all day.
It's just Schilling1776 across all the platforms.
Instagram, Twitter, Getter, everything.
Schilling1776.
Okay, if we maybe put that up in the box.
steve bannon
Terry, thank you so much.
Maybe we'll get an update from you on the 5 o'clock show, you and Father Frank.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
We're going to ask Terry Beatley to hang over through this break because I know she wants to go over and join her posse in front of that.
Pretty impressive.
You guys have done a pretty good job when it's 90% pro-life and 10% abortion, right?
They feel that something's going to change, right?
The abortion industry, the abortion providers, there's no doubt in your mind?
unidentified
Oh, well, that's why they've been doing on the state level these radical laws, you know, the past couple years, you know, up in New York and all that, celebrating killing babies all nine months of pregnancy.
Look at our own governor in Virginia.
So, yeah, they know what's coming down the pike.
I believe this, Steve.
steve bannon
By the way, the new governor is about to go week two until the grassroots started firing up on him.
Youngkin was about to wave off this thing, too.
unidentified
Here's the telling point.
This is it.
Whenever a politician says, oh, I'm pro-life, oh, but rape, incest, life of the mother, then you already know, the higher he goes up, the weaker he's going to get.
steve bannon
You're saying, as soon as they hear the word but, that's when the sentence starts.
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to return with the Hosea Institute?
Initiative.
Hosea Initiative.
Been fighting the good fight how many years?
unidentified
Twelve.
steve bannon
Twelve years of a tough fight, I've got to tell you, basically from the time of the Obama administration.
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break and return with Terry Beatley.
Also, we've got Boris about new polling.
Also, the end of Chris Christie as a politician, as a political figure.
He's crashed and burned on this book tour.
Chris Cuomo's gone.
We've got a lot of surprises.
Blake Masters from Arizona is going to join us also to talk about the finances of the United States of America.
All next in The War Room.
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Okay, we'll go back to Terry Beatley.
Huge day today.
We've got news.
We're going to Florida to Mar-a-Lago in a moment to Nigel Farage about his historic interview with President Trump.
But I'll finish up with Beatley because what you guys have done is amazing.
And this is a lesson for the entire War Room Process.
I keep telling people this is about dedication and focus and grit and determination and tenacity.
There were decades In the pro-life movement that were horrible like in the Clinton years and people did not give up.
The reason they're outside Supreme Court today with 90% of the participants out there being pro-life and they're going to make the arguments.
We don't know how this is going to turn out.
But you can feel the momentum, and you can feel the left trying to go and look at other alternatives, what they call the post-Roe environment.
They understand this assault.
This was a convergence of many, many forces, but people not giving up.
And you're a perfect example of not giving up.
When you went around the country and traveled, what were you teaching?
What did the American people need to be taught that they didn't know or didn't understand?
unidentified
I think one of the most underused things are the power of story.
Stories compel, convert, convict hearts.
Jesus Christ himself used stories to teach people.
So we've been trying to win this battle the wrong way.
God says my people perish for lack of knowledge.
He says, go and expose the truth.
Well, what I learned, I wrote a book about it.
What if we've been wrong?
People can find it on abortionking.com.
It tells the power of, through story, what happens when you deliver truth to people.
So your question, what are we teaching?
One is called The Deadliest American Hoax.
We actually released that today on our Facebook and on Rumble and on Getter and other places.
It's a one-hour, seven-minute presentation on the eight-point strategic plan of Dr. Nathanson and his whole conversion story, why he started NARAL Pro-Choice America, why they needed a political victory.
The second one is called the Catholic Strategy.
That one's ready to go next Wednesday, about a 45-minute presentation on how and why NARAL had to go after the Catholic bishops, and there was a four-part tactical plan to deceive Catholic voters.
And I'm telling you now, Steve, when Catholics and when anybody learns this part of history, And if they've been in the mushy middle, we're after the mushy middle.
The people over here?
Forget them.
But it's that mushy middle, and there are literally millions of people who have politically been goofed up.
They have not understood.
They've literally bought the lies of Nathanson that, oh, it's a woman's right to choose.
I don't feel good about it.
But no, when they learn the whole story, they change.
And then the third one, there are about six different courses, but the third one that's most relevant for today It's the six erroneous assumptions that the Supreme Court made back in 1973.
It actually comes from the appendix written in my book by the attorney, Alan Parker, who's over here today, who represented Norma McCorvey in 2003 when she tried to overturn Roe.
So they wrote this appendix specifically for my book.
steve bannon
She was the original Roe.
unidentified
She was the original Roe.
But it's important.
Your people need to know.
30 years after Roe, she tried to overturn it.
steve bannon
Some of the people most involved in the lie converted later.
We've got to bounce, but here's what I've got to do.
The thing that's up today, the one-hour presentation, we have to get that on all our sites and we have to put it up and get it on Getter, but I want that to get to Amanda and the team.
Let's blow that out now.
What are people today As they listen in to the audio recorder, as they hear the audio of the Supreme Court, in your mind, since you've dedicated your life to this for the last 12 years, what should they be listening for?
unidentified
Well, number one, are you talking about in the court case?
steve bannon
Court case.
unidentified
Oh, in the court case.
Just see if you can, in my opinion, see if you can pick out the lies and propaganda that the other side uses.
steve bannon
They'll still be putting that forward today.
unidentified
Absolutely.
Let me tell you, when Kavanaugh was going through his hearing, I thought I'd bust a blood vessel because Dianne Feinstein was actually lying.
She got the lies of yesteryear mixed up.
steve bannon
Shaheen yesterday said there's going to be a revolution among young people if this is overturned.
Trying to put fear into the court, trying to put fear into everybody.
Do you believe that?
unidentified
I'll tell you what the revolution is going to be.
The revolution is going to be, we're going to crush the abortion industry with the truth that Dr. Bernard Nathanson left behind, because young people love stories.
They don't want to be lied to, and they know they're being lied to, they just don't know what the lies are.
They go out there and repeat, well, gosh, you know, we can't overturn Roe because, you know, a million women a year were dying or 10,000 or whatever.
It's a lie.
The whole thing was based on lies.
And Steve, when they find this out, I've been around the country.
I've seen it.
I've seen Catholics who have been voting pro-abortion for 30 years.
I've seen teenagers, everybody, when they find this out.
They begin to pivot.
Dr. Nathanson himself said he had to be intellectually honest with himself when he saw the baby on real-time ultrasound.
steve bannon
You're saying there's lessons here, broader lessons, for people on the right.
If you stick to your guns, you get the facts, tell the stories, and you're going to see people start to convert.
unidentified
Absolutely.
steve bannon
So you're saying this is that the pro-life movement today is a lesson.
No matter how grim it looks, no matter if you believe in it and you've got the facts and the truth on your side, you will prevail.
unidentified
Absolutely.
steve bannon
If you don't give up.
unidentified
You cannot quit.
Human agency.
steve bannon
Didn't have people like you, Schilling, and thousands of others, hundreds we've had on the show.
Through human agency, Providence works.
unidentified
Let me give your audience one last closing quote, because I know we've got to bust air.
This is Dr. Nathanson.
When he resigned from NARAL two years to the day of Roe v. Wade, so January 22, 1975, he submitted this.
Never seen before resignation letter.
As far as I know, I'm the only one in America who has a copy of it.
And it ends with this.
The judgments of the Supreme Court were never meant to be infallible or eternal.
And what if we've been wrong?
If the court should soon reverse itself in light of changing times and or new scientific evidence, what an incalculable injustice we'll have Fantastic.
and what an immeasurable, irretrievable loss will have been suffered.
I'll fight to overturn Roe v. Wade and get America educated.
steve bannon
Fantastic. Real quickly, which social media?
unidentified
Hosea, H-O-S-E-A, initiative.
Hosea Initiative.
And also, my name, Terry Beatley, out on Getter.
And let's start blowing this thing up.
steve bannon
You're a warrior and a patriot.
Thank you very much for joining us today.
unidentified
Thank you, Steve, for having me.
steve bannon
Look forward to talking to you guys at 5 o'clock.
Okay, let's go now.
Can we play the 30-second spot?
I want to play something very historic.
It's going to take place today.
Two of my favorite people are getting together.
Can we play it?
unidentified
I think you'll be happy in the future too.
We'll see.
We'll see.
I'll see you next time.
steve bannon
Okay, it's Farage and Trump, or is it Trump and Farage?
I don't know.
I don't know who's the senior partner, who's the junior partner here.
Nigel, walk us through this interview.
How did you land it, and what's going to happen?
What are we going to learn?
nigel farage
Good morning, Steve.
Well, here's the point.
Since the election, and certainly since January the 6th, and Trump being banned off social media, outside of the USA, he's literally disappeared.
You know, the man that dominated, whose every move, whose every comment dominated global headlines for five years, he's disappeared off the radar.
And that, of course, is quite willful, isn't it?
And what I wanted to do was to say to him, look, this will be a world exclusive interview.
It won't just be for a British market.
We'll pump it out, you know, all around the world, especially to the English speaking world.
And that was the basis upon which I approached him and he was very generous to do it.
This is the first foreign media sit down interview he's done for at least 18 months.
So I think in that context, it is very important.
And I found much of what he had to say very illuminating.
steve bannon
Look, you are one of the leaders of the populist nationalist movement throughout the world.
You've had one of the greatest victories in British political history in saving your country and getting your country back and sovereignty back.
He's obviously the leader globally of this movement and one of the most profound and important political figures in world political history.
What's the center of gravity of the interview?
We want to hold you through the break.
We've got about a minute we're going to hold you through.
What's the center of gravity of the break?
nigel farage
On the lighter stuff, he's brilliant on Meghan, Harry, the Queen, but that's very entertaining.
He says that Boris Johnson is turning liberal, which is also very entertaining and quite true.
On the serious stuff, and we'll discuss it again in a minute, I sense a heavyweight world champion who lost the title fight on points.
He's not happy with the decision, but you know what?
He's in training, he's losing weight, he's getting ready, he wants to win that title back.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to return with Nigel Farage's historic interview that's going to be coming up.
We're going to get the time of it that's coming up.
A world exclusive.
The one and only Nigel Farage, the father of Brexit, with Donald J. Trump.
We'll return in a minute with Nigel Farage talking about this interview in the War Room.
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Interviews with President Trump, we don't play up a lot.
And the reason is they have a tendency, because, and I love President Trump, but he stays on message, and a lot of them kind of sound the same.
Same questions get asked.
This is the reason it's a big deal.
Nigel Farage is not any guy, right?
This is one of the most unique, and this is the lesson today from the Right to Life movement.
For 50 years, the Right to Life has been on its back foot, and I'm telling you, there were 20 years, 25 years, ladies and gentlemen, there were no wins at all.
And today, they're over at the Supreme Court right now, they're gonna make arguments that could throw out Roe v. Wade.
You don't know that.
Justice may go the other way, but the momentum's there.
90% of the people over on those steps are pro-life.
The lesson here is grit and determination and stick-to-it-ness and never quitting.
And victory, eventually victory is going to get victories.
The individual, I've got on the end of this, Nigel Farage, there's not a better example in this world.
I've known this guy forever and I was there traipsing around following him when he was talking to 25 people in these small town halls in Midland, England.
And they were laughing him, mocking him in the Financial Times and the Times of London.
It was just big laugh.
These guys are clowns.
They don't know what they're doing.
His grit and determination.
And then, you know, the run up to Brexit.
It was all going to lose, going to be a landslide, going to get blown out.
Wrong.
He saved his country, got the sovereignty of his country and his nation back.
So today, and Nigel, help me out here.
It's going to be 2 o'clock, 2 p.m.
to 4 p.m.
Eastern Time on GB News, the great network over there that you've kind of turned around.
How do people get this?
Because you're going to do analysis in the middle.
Walk us through the whole thing.
It's an event.
I want to make sure this audience gets full access to it, so walk us through how an American audience can get access to it.
nigel farage
Yeah, two till four eastern time.
What we've done with the interview, we've broken it down into clips and sections, you know, bite-sized chunks so people can sort of absorb it.
We're going to get guests on, we'll get some good American guests on too.
We'll analyse what Trump's saying, what its impact is for American politics and equally what his impact's going to be in the United Kingdom. So two till four, it's on live. You can watch it later if you want to. The GB News app, GB News, go to the app store, download it, it's for free, it works beautifully. And so you can watch it two to four Eastern time or any time later. We're making it a bigger thing with lots of analysis, lots of, you know, so good.
steve bannon
Now for the European, really for the world audience, but principally for the European and British audience, it's going to come as a shock because you're saying he's really disappeared from media over there, correct?
nigel farage
Yes, I mean, they literally, because Twitter was his way of communicating with the world.
Ironic, isn't it, that the leadership of the Taliban are still active on Twitter, but the 45th president of the USA is banned.
I mean, that tells you a hell of a lot.
And yeah, it kind of suits mainstream media just not to talk about him.
But what we can see all over the world is An American president in the shape of Joe Biden, who is simply not up to the job, bordering at times on senility.
Foreign policy decisions, such as the withdrawal, the unilateral withdrawal from Afghanistan, and not just giving it back to the Taliban, but giving the Chinese, of course, all of the resources.
And I think that Trump faced very negative media across the Western world.
I have a feeling in this interview, What he says about Harry and Meghan and their total disrespect for the Queen.
What he says about Boris Johnson having gone from being a Conservative when he was elected to being a Liberal.
What he's had to say about the over-reliance on wind energy.
I think Donald Trump is really going to connect with the British audience and beyond that with this interview.
I really genuinely do.
steve bannon
Your thoughts, having done this, because a lot of people here in the back channels, behind closed doors, in the Capitol, in the Republican Party, they're saying, no, no, no, no, no, there's no chance he's going to run.
We've got to have we got to go to somebody else.
Your thoughts after the interview?
nigel farage
I think he's got every opportunity.
The one thing Donald Trump did, he woke the world up to what the Chinese Communist Party is, the threat that it poses.
And you know something?
The American public are way ahead of Washington, D.C.
on this.
They get it.
They're concerned.
I think that must be a massive issue for Donald Trump.
Whilst the Americans are aware of the threat, they're unaware of the threat that is faced by Taiwan, and it's there and it's real.
That's important.
I still think, of all the likely runners, he is the most obvious man to reach the blue-collar vote in those states all around the Great Lakes.
There's one thing, though, Steve, I will say, and it's this.
I've seen some extensive private polling that suggests The message of the stolen election, the message that it's rigged, the message that it's all so bad, is actually potentially demotivating to up to 20% of Republican voters.
And look, I've lived through postal voting.
I've lived through mail-out ballots.
I predicted on your show on the 4th of August last year that he would lose.
steve bannon
You're absolutely correct, but you and I will come to a different conclusion on that as a Republican establishment.
That means we've got to get back to the bottom of 3 November.
This is an example, Nigel, of what happened in Virginia.
We had 95 percent, hang on, 95 percent turnout of election workers and poll watchers, because we're not going to let this happen again.
We've got Blake Masters joining the Arizona Institute here in a second.
By the way, I understand it's demotivating, but the way to re-motivate is to say it's never going to happen again.
Yes, sir, go ahead.
nigel farage
Okay, listen, I understand what you're saying.
I have fought court cases in the United Kingdom on postal voter fraud, right?
I've seen it.
Sadiq Khan is Mayor of London, above all, because of mail-out ballots.
But, and here's the important thing, that negative must be turned into a positive.
That negative has got to become, you know, I am the candidate, we are the party, You've always been anti-establishment.
steve bannon
The establishment would say, oh we just got to focus about the future and do it in the future, new laws.
That is incorrect.
There is only one way to do this.
And you know how determined I am, Nigel.
Right?
I'll never give up on this.
We're going to get to the bottom of 3 November.
That 20%, that 20%, that 20% is going to be turned because they're going to say, hey, if we, Nigel, and you're our mother country, if we allow the largest, most powerful nation on earth to just sit there and say, hey, they stole it and we have to get over it and we have to change a few laws and focus on the future, we don't stand for anything.
Fourteen generations come before us.
You're a military historian.
You know what people sacrificed in Normandy, over the skies of Europe, at Guadalcanal, in World War One, at Gettysburg.
How can we look these people in the eye and say, oh yeah, it was too hard, it was too tough?
You're the best non-professional military historian I know.
How can we do that, sir?
nigel farage
This is, if you really think this through, There isn't that much difference between what you're saying and I'm saying, right?
Nigel.
it for a year, I've seen what broken down corrupt electoral systems can do.
But what I'm telling you is, if it sounds like harping back, if it sounds like an utterly negative message, I mean, look, this narrative crossed the seat in Georgia.
Turn it round and it were positive.
We're going to learn the lessons of what happened on November the 3rd last year.
We will never allow this to happen again.
steve bannon
And the poll says...
Brother, brother, brother, brother, brother.
That is the Republican Party establishment.
What causes in Georgia, we had two candidates that would not get to the bottom of 3 November.
If they stood up one time, you would have had 100% participation.
People are not going to come out.
People are not going to come out if you just sit there and go, oh yeah, it was a problem, and we'll solve it in the future.
The lecture is about the future.
The future is now, brother Farage.
I've got to talk to your team.
I've got to get you in the War Room more often.
Last thing, Nigel.
Yes, sir, go ahead.
nigel farage
Why did we get Brexit?
Did we get Brexit because we said we can't stand the European Union?
We don't like unelected foreign bosses?
Or did we get Brexit because we said we want to be free, proud and independent?
And here's the point.
Huge numbers of people are not as political as you or I, but they want to vote for positives, not for negatives.
And it's about turning around the awful things that happened last year into a story that America is going to have an election system that is absolutely the best, the most Nigel, Nigel, brother, brother, you're talking to me.
unidentified
With Brexit, what are you talking about?
steve bannon
You're not on Fox.
Please stop.
You're not on Fox.
You're not on Fox.
This is the War Room, okay?
And I love you like a brother.
I admire you.
You won Brexit because of your determination and your billboard and your campaign, right?
And I don't remember talking about the sunlit uplands.
The Boris Johnson argument in that didn't win, sir.
Nigel Farage's and Raheem Kassam's argument won.
We want our country back.
nigel farage
That was a positive affirmation of what we were going to do.
Controlling our borders, being proud of our identity.
It's all about... I'm going to go back.
steve bannon
One day we'll deconstruct the campaign and we'll see the positive versus the reality.
You gave them reality and that's why they did it, and you're the man.
Okay, anyway, last thing.
MI6 finally listened to Nigel Farage.
MI6 came out yesterday and said, hey, the Chinese Communist Party and China is actually our biggest existential threat to the United Kingdom.
What did it take to... MI6 is now awake.
Is the British political class following Nigel Farage and MI6?
Do they now understand the existential threat of the Chinese Communist Party?
nigel farage
As with so many other things, it's a mirror image of what's happening in America.
British public are way ahead of our political class and most of our media on China.
And in fact, polling says we want to buy products that are not made in China.
We're prepared to pay more for products that are made at home.
The trouble is, when you order on Amazon, it doesn't tell you where the stuff is made.
So I think the public in both countries are way ahead of our politicians.
And actually, you know, strategically, globally, China is the issue of the next few years.
steve bannon
2 p.m.
to 4 p.m.
We're going to put it in all our chat rooms, on all our platforms.
I want people to download this.
Watch Nigel Farage, Donald Trump.
It will be historic.
Please, Nigel, now that you've turned around GB and got it on the path, don't turn into Andrew Neil on me, okay?
Please always be Nigel Farage.
nigel farage
You're the greatest fighter in the world, brother.
Maybe just a bit on a print.
That's all.
steve bannon
Style points.
I love you, brother.
Nigel Farage, one of the greatest leaders in the world.
Thank you, sir.
Looking forward to the interview today with Donald J. Trump.
2 p.m., 4 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time.
We're gonna get ready to download the app.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate it.
That's a fighter.
We had Beatley, we had Schilling, we had Nigel Farage.
These are fighters.
Fighters.
That's how you win.
That's how you get a stand on the Supreme Court today.
50 years, but literally 30 years.
We had Father Frank in last night.
With decades of losses.
But you don't give up.
Look at Farage.
And no, he wasn't singing the hymnal of the happy... He wasn't giving happy talk when Brexit went down.
Nigel Farage.
Love that guy.
We're going to see the interview today.
Okay, we got another fighter.
Blake Masters is going to join.
He's got Boris.
I'm sorry, we're a little backed up today.
I've gotten carried away by all these inspirational fighters.
We're going to be back in a moment in the War Room.
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We will fight till they're all gone.
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steve bannon
Okay, as you heard, more than ever, this is one of the reasons that Nigel is doing this very important interview with President Trump.
Now, he's off Twitter.
He's kind of faded from the scene, particularly in Europe.
That's why Getter is so important.
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Okay, talking about fighters, we've got Blake Masters here.
Blake, you're running for the Senate.
You're giving up a life of a venture capitalist.
To commit everything in the state you were born in, you were born in Tucson, to come back and to represent that state in the Senate.
Right now we've got a firestorm.
We have this orgy of spending.
We've got the continued resolution about financing the government, right?
A trillion to a trillion and a half dollars in deficits every year, in perpetuity as we see it now.
We have the bill back broke, or bankrupt, or however you want to say it.
It's really 5 trillion that kind of saved 1.75 billion to get these programs in.
Russ Vought's going to be on tomorrow, by the way, from OMB to walk us through more structural details of that.
And then you've got the debt ceiling.
So your responsibility, representing Arizona, is to represent the people of Arizona and the nation in this discussion.
So if you were in the Senate right now, not running for the Senate, if you were in the Senate right now, what are you telling the people in Arizona that your plan is or how you see the next couple of weeks evolving?
blake masters
Well, I think we don't help the Democrats in their quest to ruin the country.
I mean, I think build back better, right, this bill.
It's an abomination.
I think if we pass it, it's horrible for America.
steve bannon
Why is it an abomination?
blake masters
Because like you said, it's not just about the price tag.
It's not just $1.5 trillion.
steve bannon
You don't buy that?
blake masters
That's $1.5 trillion that we don't have, by the way.
But no, it's not just about the price tag.
Stephen Miller's been great on this.
It's about the policies in it.
You just said it.
Once you get these programs in, right?
You'll never get them out.
The Democrats want to strip the Hyde Amendment from this spending bill, right?
They are obsessed with spending federal dollars on abortion.
I mean, this stuff is just ghastly and it's about the policy just as much as the price tag.
unidentified
So don't help them do it.
steve bannon
What about the debt ceiling?
What do the people in Arizona want to do with the debt ceiling?
Do you increase it?
blake masters
Nope.
I don't think so.
We've been kicking the can down the road for so long on this.
You know, we just increased it in October and here we are again.
steve bannon
OK, so you and JD Vance are two of the single out, you know, kind of teal guys.
They said, hey, these guys, you know, go to Yale, go to Stanford.
They're part of the system.
They're smart enough.
This is all a grift because they know this is wrong and they know the capital market is going to blow up.
But right now, the rubes in the Trump movement want to hear, you know, take on the man, take on Wall Street.
So two really smart guys are like Josh Hawley are now the and I think he went to Yale or Harvard Law School.
They are now all fire breathing populist.
How do you counter that?
When people say, you more than anybody knows, if you don't increase the debt ceiling, our credit rating is going to blow up.
Or do you believe that?
blake masters
You know, I believe that you don't negotiate with terrorists.
And I think that's, I think the Democratic Party, under Schumer and Pelosi and Biden, they're holding us hostage.
They're holding us hostage, saying that, oh, the world's going to blow up unless you vote, you know, for the CR, unless you kick the can down the road with the debt ceiling, help us pass Build Back Better.
No, no Republican should be doing that.
I mean, they're trying to implement vaccine mandates, you know, from a federal level.
This is really crazy stuff, and it's time to draw a line in the sand.
You know, if I didn't go to Stanford, if I wasn't part of this elite, if I wasn't part of the system, then people would criticize me saying, oh, you don't know what you're talking about.
Well, it's like, I've seen how the system works.
I know how the elites play this game, and I'm sick of it.
It doesn't work, and they're selling the country down the river.
steve bannon
So, tell us, in your campaign, put forward what your argument is of how you, Blake Masters, are going to change this.
blake masters
Well, I mean, you know, I'm running on this Trump 2016 agenda, right?
It's the MAGA America First agenda.
It's what I think the country needed in 2016.
I think it's what we got.
Things were working.
It was so much better, right?
Right before COVID hit, there was an economic miracle in this country.
The border was secure.
It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty damn good.
And you've just seen what a contrast between President Trump and President Biden, right?
I'm going in there because I know that 2022 and 2024, they're existential.
If we lose these elections, there's no more America.
steve bannon
If you win this primary, you go up against Mark Kelly, right?
blake masters
Yeah.
steve bannon
Now, Mark Kelly is going to sit there and say, hey, all these programs that help the little guy, I'm here to help the little guy.
People are in need.
People are hurting.
You got COVID.
And Blake Masters is one of these, you know, Stanford Law School guys just made all the money for himself.
He's made it.
You haven't.
I'm for the little guy.
How do you answer that?
blake masters
Mark Kelly's biggest legislative achievement has been to tuck in a tax break for journalists into the Build Back Better bill.
He doesn't care about the little guy.
He doesn't care about small businesses.
He says he does.
He pretends to be moderate.
Actually, he supported the lockdowns.
They just want to hollow out the middle class.
The Democrats want a thin slice of elite at the top, and then they want to keep a permanent underclass on the dole.
So yeah, Mark Kelly will vote to give you a stimulus check and bankrupt the country, but he won't vote for policies that will give you a healthy middle class.
steve bannon
The healthy middle class.
We've got about two minutes.
Walk us through the two or three things that you are going to do to get a healthy middle class.
blake masters
First thing, I think you restrict immigration.
You know, illegal immigration is bad for American workers.
The left used to be able to be honest about this.
Now they can't.
But also legal immigration.
We take more than a million legal immigrants every year.
And I think that's crazy.
It's way too high.
I've seen in the Silicon Valley context how the H-1B visa system completely abused, right?
And then build back better.
unidentified
There's provisions to allow unlimited... You are a venture capitalist, right?
steve bannon
Unlimited tech workers.
Just breaking news, Blake Masters is not going to be invited back to his alumni weekend at Stanford.
You just went after The crux, and by the way, people understand that when Silicon Valley does this, they just want to make more money.
The legal immigration, what they do with the visas is just to get workers in.
blake masters
Corporate welfare for Facebook and Google.
steve bannon
You believe that?
blake masters
I do.
steve bannon
And how are you going to fight it?
Well, I mean... You really are an apostate.
blake masters
Look, I mean, we should have some immigration.
There should be like an O-1 system for extraordinarily talented people, but that's probably like 10,000 a year, 20,000 a year.
You shouldn't just import legions of coders from India and China to do jobs that should go to Americans.
steve bannon
You have to bounce for a very important meeting, but I want you to hold over.
It'll just be 90 seconds.
We'll take a short commercial break.
We're going to finish up with Blake Manson so you can find out more information about him, since now he's going to be banned everywhere that he used to make a living.
I can't believe a venture capitalist, I won't say this, a reformed venture capitalist has come out against HB1B visas.
Amazing.
Stephen Miller stuff is really starting to get out there.
Okay, short commercial break.
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We've got Dan Greenfield from Front Page Magazine.
Wow, the article he wrote.
We've got Brian Kennedy from Claremont.
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