Nov. 6, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Well, the virus has now killed more than 100 people in China, and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
| France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| This is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
| France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
| Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always. | ||
| Because if you don't, then the worst happens. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, welcome to the War Room. | ||
| This is our special. | ||
| Remember, we're trying to give you signal, not noise in tomorrow's news. | ||
| Today, over the other side of the hill, there's an amazing book out by an amazing young man. | ||
| He's the co-founder and executive editor of American Mind over at Claremont Institute. | ||
| His name is James Polis. | ||
| Actually, Dr. James Polis. | ||
| The book is Human Forever. | ||
| It is the digital politics of a spiritual war. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| Got a chance to finish it last couple of days. | ||
| Joe Allen, we're honored to have James on. | ||
| I want you to take it from here, sir. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, I got to say it is an absolutely fantastic book. | ||
| You know, the three themes that really stuck out to me were the opening idea That it's too late, in some sense, to turn back the clock. | ||
| The digital swarm, as he calls it, is already upon us. | ||
| But despite that dystopian sort of opening, there's this idea that we have to survive, and so therefore we will. | ||
| You have to believe that. | ||
| And the two elements that I'd like to ask you about, James, the first, really, It really attracted me, the idea that, you know, as human beings and particularly as fathers and sons, the rites of passage in which young boys are brought up to become men, to become, as you call them, guardians of civilization, how does that look under the pressure of the digital swarm? | ||
| And, you know, if there's time, You talk about catechizing devices to basically, we have to use spiritual energy and fortitude to use technology to our advantage. | ||
| What does a catechism of a device look like, practically speaking? | ||
| Yeah, well, first, you know, thanks to you both for the praise. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| And, you know, for everyone watching or listening, if you want to be among the first to know when the book drops, it's coming real soon, just go over to humanforever.us, humanforever.us, plop in your email and you'll be among the first to know. | ||
| So as far as your question goes, you know, you listen to that Harari segment that we heard a little while back. | ||
| We're basically, he said, you know, we need global cooperation, like the only way that our consciousness is going to have a chance of survival is if we establish, you know, basically a superhuman or post-human version of what's being discussed, you know, what the Biden administration calls the rules-based international order. | ||
| So that's a fundamental mistake. | ||
| I mean, we have, as you said, digital devices have swarmed over the world. | ||
| They rule the world in a way that no person or group of people can rule the world anymore. | ||
| So you can say goodbye to the plausibility of a one-world government, globalized regime, a lot of this stuff. | ||
| That's been pumping out of you know Specifically London from from the UK the international community so called into the u.s. | ||
| These people do not have American interest at heart Why would they after all and so you got to recognize this kind of propaganda? | ||
| For for what it is and here's why you know every civilization state you know whether it's Russia China Israel India obviously the u.s. | ||
| Is sort of fighting over which way it's gonna go and is tackling this question of how they can use their very deepest, most fundamental and unique resources as a civilization to restore control, their own control, over the devices within their purview, within their territorial reach. | ||
| It's just ridiculous to think at this point that any one of those civilization states is going to take over the entire world and impose one sort of civilizational structure over all of the bots and all of the people. | ||
| The era of John Lennon is toast. | ||
| It's not about imagining there's no heaven. | ||
| As we heard from Harari as well, the hot new thing is imagining that heaven exists in the metaverse, and heaven is really just a game that you can get people to play. | ||
| That's not going to work. | ||
| There might be some people in the West who try to get that up and running, but the reality is we live in a pluralist world now. | ||
| America is going to be pluralist in the salutary way that it's always been. | ||
| If you're raising a child and trying to bring a child into this world, trying to understand what makes a boy a man or what makes a girl a woman in a digital age, It is maintaining our memory. | ||
| It's passing along that distinctively human memory of the before times, of what people's ancestors and progenitors did, and how we're just as human as they were. | ||
| And ultimately, the grand questions of the human condition are the same as they always have been. | ||
| So remembering that, giving them the tool of memory, understanding that humanity is a gift, You know, warts and all, it's good to be human, that humanity has what it takes to go the distance and to inculcate and pass along that memory is what's going to enable them to come of age and to face this world. | ||
| You see so many people online right now who are basically just losing their minds. | ||
| You can see, you know, kids and even elder millennials melting down on TikTok, other social media every day, grabbing whatever tool they think can help them to imitate the cyborgs, you know, whether it's especially sort of like sexual identification or whatever. | ||
| It's not the way it used to be. | ||
| It's turning into a kind of gateway or onboarding system for a transhuman lifestyle, for abandoning a human way of life. | ||
| I think you see that with transsexuality just racing to the top of the woke prestige stack. | ||
| These tendencies, these trends, people in charge want to reinforce them, they want to zap away our memories of how stuff was before, keep us chasing after these, you know, illusions that they fabricate for us. | ||
| So, you know, this is, permissionless innovation can be fun, cool things can pop up, but really what we're talking about here is soulless innovation created for people to forget that they have souls. | ||
| So, memory is huge, that's what's going to maintain generational continuity. | ||
| I think we're already starting to see it now where, you know, Let me ask you this. | ||
| dads and their kids are both kind of living in the same meme world, having the same jokes, same references, those generational distinctions are going to continue to break down and the long, you know, long family memory, memory of not just bloodline, but of culture, of origins, that's what's going to see us through. | ||
| Let me ask you this, if, how important are cultural barriers as a father? | ||
| You know, there are many kids that will simply grow up with little artificially intelligent, artificial intelligence powered robots and, you know, it will be normalized for an entire generation or some segment of it. | ||
| For people like you, and perhaps even for more extreme people who want to reject this, how important are cultural barriers to protect and shield kids from this, or do you think that they should be exposed and learn to employ any tool at their disposal? | ||
| They should be, I mean, you gotta expose people responsibly to reality, and especially kids, you gotta... | ||
| Illustrate to them and model for them how you can be competent and courageous and have some agency, you know, using these tools. | ||
| If you try to abandon them all, you know, if you're not computing in this world that we're in, you are being computed. | ||
| What happens in the database is becoming more important than what happens outside the database. | ||
| I mean, you listen to Harari and he spins all these incredible tales, and conspicuously he doesn't say a word about Bitcoin, which is sitting right here, right now, as a tool that ordinary people can use to build institutions, build marketplaces, where they can create and exchange really memorable and valuable culture. | ||
| That's why my book is being published onto the blockchain, uncensorable, uncancelable, but still more importantly, modeling that you can use these powerful tools, among the most powerful digital tools, to do things that are protective of our humanity, that strengthen our humanity, that enhance and reward our memory, our shared recollection of things in a uniquely human way. | ||
| It's, you know, it's going to be available for purchase in Bitcoin. | ||
| These are tools that we can use right now and, you know, the folks in charge, people who are trying to Harari pill us all, you know, Bill Gates and Barack Obama, they do not want us using technology in this way. | ||
| They want us to be passive. | ||
| They want us to just be really reduced to this kind of servile state and to think that it's better than real life. | ||
| Well, it's not better. | ||
| And you know, you got to recognize that our humanity is not something that is inherently threatened by technological development. | ||
| It's threatened by human beings who want to destroy their own humanity and destroy ours. | ||
| And you know, maybe take a few of us into their Elysium, but leave the vast majority of us in this sort of sea of interchangeable consciousness parts. | ||
| That's not the way it has to be. | ||
| This book is here to model that. | ||
| And you know, Bitcoin right now is just a great way that's available right now for human beings to take control of database, use in a way that actually strengthens and protects our humanity. | ||
| I want to... | ||
| Let me jump in here for a second. | ||
| In the book, and I want you to explain this because I talked about the accelerating at an accelerating rate, the book starts off with a warning or a premise or the very first blank page. | ||
| This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled. | ||
| What do you mean by that, James Polis? | ||
| What's in the book and what do you mean by that? | ||
| Why did you put that phrase first? | ||
| What does it mean? | ||
| Well, that's, you know, that's straight out of the Bible. | ||
| That's JC for you. | ||
| So, I mean, you know, there's one interpretation of the ministry of Jesus, which is that He thought the end times were right around the corner and that, you know, if everyone didn't listen to Him, then the universe, as we knew it, was going to end. | ||
| That is not my interpretation. | ||
| I always think about the last line of the Eastern Orthodox Creed, I look to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the age to come. | ||
| It sounds crazy to a lot of people. | ||
| Bodily resurrection? | ||
| How can this be? | ||
| That's just like some crazy figment of your imagination. | ||
| But, you know, we're talking about a biblical teaching, you know, through Jesus, where the end times is not something that we get to know. | ||
| It's not something even that Jesus himself said that he got to know. | ||
| That was the province only of God the Father. | ||
| You know, other places in the Bible, St. | ||
| Paul talks about how, you know, the sort of the inner secrets of every human heart are going to be exposed. | ||
| At the end times, and you know, that's something that our would-be techno overlords want to do for themselves. | ||
| They want to expose the inner secrets of every human heart. | ||
| They want to create a sort of network of swarming machines that can do that. | ||
| And so, you know, we got to be very clear on the fact that, you know, for all the apocalyptic talk that these people are serving up to us, they want us in a false apocalyptic mindset. | ||
| They want us to think that we cannot and should not be human forever. | ||
| And, you know, really, I think the message of Jesus, and you can find this in other religions too, That's my religion, so I'm serving it up to people. | ||
| The message is that no, even after the end times, we're not converted into some particles of some crazy force. | ||
| We are human forever. | ||
| That's how we were created, and regardless of what happens after we pass through the filter at the end of time, we're still, in that very fundamental sense, human beings. | ||
| Your book is about agency and human agency. | ||
| We've got a couple minutes left for this audience, which is quite action-oriented. | ||
| They want to use their agency. | ||
| What should they do, James, to both fully understand this and to start taking action against it? | ||
| Well, you know, number one, go over to humanforever.us, sign up for the book. | ||
| You'll get it. | ||
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It'll help. | |
| It's a short book under 300 pages. | ||
| I wanted to write it so that it could take effect, you know, right now. | ||
| Stuff that you'll find in the book, in addition to what I said about blockchain and Bitcoin, you know, my book's published on canonic.xyz. | ||
| That's a site that you should go check out, and you can see how this stuff can work for you, too. | ||
| Beyond that, there are politicians out there who recognize that effectively we need a Second Amendment for compute. | ||
| We've got to make sure that the people in charge do not take away our ability to participate in digital technology so that we're not just kind of herded into the factory farms of the metaverse. | ||
| Find those politicians. | ||
| They're out there increasingly. | ||
| They're talking openly about this stuff. | ||
| Support them. | ||
| These are the good guys. | ||
| And you can step up as a citizen, as someone running for office. | ||
| The gates are wide open. | ||
| This is an opportunity for people who can bone up fast. | ||
| I mean, I didn't know this stuff a couple years ago. | ||
| I just sat down, sort of made it my job. | ||
| You can plow through it. | ||
| You know, even some of the basics you can learn in an afternoon or two. | ||
| Don't be afraid to step out there. | ||
| People are looking for leadership. | ||
| They're confused. | ||
| They're lost. | ||
| They know that the information they're getting from on high is bunk. | ||
| It's garbage. | ||
| It doesn't help them make sense of the world. | ||
| You know, with just a little bit of work and a little bit of learning, you can really step forward and lead on your own, too. | ||
| And that's what we really need as a citizen movement right now. | ||
| How can people get access besides the website? | ||
| How do they get access to you on social media? | ||
| I'm on Twitter at James Polis, James P-O-U-L-O-S. | ||
| And then there's the American Mind, AmericanMind.org. | ||
| We're running lots of great stuff on the subject right now, so go check it out. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| James, thank you very much for joining us and changing your schedule around today. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Thanks a lot. | ||
| Joe Allen, before we go to break here, I want to make sure we get access, this audience gets access to all your writings up on warroom.org. | ||
| We take all your writings, we want to publish them on Federalist, all these other places, but we put them up in one catch so that people can get up to speed on all your nude writings and commentaries because you're putting stuff up every day. | ||
| How can people get to all your material, Joe Allen? | ||
| The reason we brought you over here is to get people up to speed quickly. | ||
| You've got a lot of essential writing up right now. | ||
| WarRoom.org. | ||
| There is a transhumanism tab. | ||
| Click that. | ||
| And there are right now, I believe, 12 articles, many of them really essential to kind of dig in, most of them tied to contemporary events. | ||
| And to dig into this subject matter and understand it from a somewhat well-rounded point of view. | ||
| And you can also find me, you know, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, at Gab, Twitter, and Gitter. | ||
| But really, if you want to see the concentrated canon, we're slowly putting it up at warroom.org. | ||
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Okay, we're going to take a short break. | |
| We've got Patrick Wood, one of the original Um, public intellectuals about all this. | ||
| His book, Technocracy. | ||
| Patrick Wood's going to join us again from Arizona. | ||
| Joe Allen from up in the Northwest, in the War Room, next. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| We're just at the beginning of this. | ||
| I mean, I think this AI revolution and the genetic revolution is just starting. | ||
| And when we go into virtual reality, we have these distinctions about whole other dimensions that we haven't even seen, which will also challenge who we are, where we are, how we see ourselves. | ||
| And I think that this is going to be the agenda for the next century. | ||
| So, I think the image that we want to take of place is not working against these machines that are going to take our jobs. | ||
| It's that we're going to be working with them. | ||
| You may in fact be paid by how well you work with them. | ||
| One of the best ways to think about AI in general overall is that it's alien intelligence. | ||
| It's as if we had contact with another planet and we met aliens. | ||
| They're going to think differently than us. | ||
| Their usefulness to us would be that because they think differently, but We'd have these issues of, you know, how do we treat them? | ||
| Do we treat them equivalent to humans, different than humans? | ||
| Do they have the same rights as humans? | ||
| Do they have more rights? | ||
| And the answer is going to be somewhat what depends on the alien. | ||
| If you think we have a tough time with populism and nationalism versus the globalist elites, look at the complexity we're going to have When you even talk about, look at their count, this is the agenda for the next century. | ||
| And we're talking about the rights of artificial intelligence. | ||
| This driving to this convergence point is going to be a political issue that will dwarf all other political issues. | ||
| Because you're talking about the end of Homo sapiens and the beginning of something else. | ||
| driven by the wealthiest, most connected, most powerful people on earth. | ||
| I want to return now, we've got Patrick Wood, the author of Technocracy, we've got Joe Allen, our editor, this is the War Room Special. | ||
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| Joe Allen, Patrick. | ||
| Patrick Woods, these cuts have been our great production team here in the War Room and in Denver, coupled with Joe Allen's brilliance. | ||
| Walk us through your assessment of what you just heard. | ||
| Well, I'll say it again. | ||
| I believe that all of these people are in a circular logic together. | ||
| Declaring that certainly the future is going to be this way is foolishness, in my opinion. | ||
| And yet, this kind of propaganda has been laid out on us for decades. | ||
| Well, this is the way it's going to be. | ||
| Well, the world's going to be interdependent, you know. | ||
| And well, migration from the South is fatal complete, you know, it has to happen. | ||
| Artificial intelligence has to happen. | ||
| The singularity will happen. | ||
| All of these things are predicated with certainty, that this is the way it's going to be. | ||
| I think we're going to see a totally different story as it unfolds. | ||
| It won't be a pretty one, I might add. | ||
| But all of the people that say, oh, this is the way it's going to be. | ||
| I get very nervous, honestly, because we cannot predict the future. | ||
| We can see trends, but we cannot accurately predict the future. | ||
| It's not given to man to understand the future. | ||
| So, you know, I take everything these people say with a grain of salt. | ||
| On the other hand, they got the money and the power to make it happen. | ||
| That's why it's important to me. | ||
| You know, I think that Yeah, I think that it's a mixed bag because I agree with you that it is not going to be what they have predicted it to be. | ||
| Certainly not the heavenly portrayal that they give. | ||
| One of the big issues is just the limitations of the technology itself, right? | ||
| Artificial intelligence is absolutely amazing in its ability to absorb vast swaths of data and then to produce meaningful patterns from that data. | ||
| No human being could do it and it's undoubted that artificial intelligence is not just stupid. | ||
| Artificial intelligence in its advanced forms, the artificial intelligence systems being run at Google, Being run at Facebook, being run out of Oxford, and definitely being run out of China. | ||
| These systems are very good at analyzing mass data, and as it's been pointed out most recently in Eric Schmidt and Henry Kissinger's book, The Age of AI and Our Human Future, they talk about the unique Ways in which these machines are able to perceive reality But what they do then is they build this unique cognition the artificial intelligence displays, right? | ||
| One example would be the unique go moves that it comes up with or unique in fighter pilot simulations the unique maneuvers it might come to and They build this unique cognition as being a window into a new reality. | ||
| They don't play it up too much, but it's definitely in their book. | ||
| They talk about how, much like in the Gnostic Philosophy that there is a pure perception of a reality beyond this world And then there's the sort of flawed human perception like agnostic philosophy AI will open up vistas of Reality and of cognition that we had not yet dreamed of so, you know to go back to your point. | ||
| These are extraordinarily influential and powerful people who are setting agendas and they're describing a sort of ideal world to which we're moving towards. | ||
| But I personally think that it would be much less like the Matrix and much less like their own vision and much more like idiocracy where they have probably some pretty cool robots in their houses and we have really belligerent, automated cashiers that are telling us what to do day in, day out at the grocery store. | ||
| Patrick, while we got you for this last part of the segment, this convergence onto Kurzweil's singularity, knowing technology like you know it, are we 10 years away, 15 years away, 25 years away? | ||
| As this convergence goes, all these different Kurzweil himself predicted originally it would be 2040. | ||
| He's since moved that up to 2030. | ||
| Personally, I don't think it's going to happen the way he says it's going to happen. | ||
| What's the critical path we're looking at? | ||
| Kurzweil himself predicted originally it would be 2040. | ||
| He's since moved that up to 2030. | ||
| Personally, I don't think it's going to happen the way he says it's going to happen. | ||
| This is a man, remember, who is involved with all this singularity stuff in an effort to resurrect his father. | ||
| And he's got all of his father's papers and data about him and so on, and he hopes to punch all this into a computer someday and be able to resurrect his father, come back to life and have conversations with them. | ||
| Now, I know he's an eminent scientist, he's a brilliant engineer, but somewhere along the way he got unplugged from some portions of reality. | ||
| This is not going to simply happen the way he says. | ||
| Eminent data scientists, by the way, have already demonstrated That artificial intelligence mysteriously has all of the same biases that the programmers who created it have. | ||
| That means that if there's any mistake that a human can make, a computer can make it much faster. | ||
| And when you have a supercomputer analyzing it, you know, 80,000 million times faster than a human can think, You're replicating the biases and the mistakes that humans would make, potentially, across just a broad spectrum of the whole world. | ||
| This could end up being extremely dangerous, extremely destructive, creating a bifurcated world where you have caste systems built in because of the AI. | ||
| It's going to be different, I think, in the end, not as Ray Kurzweil expects it to be. | ||
| It's going to be, by the way, it's not going to be bifurcated. | ||
| When Christine Anderson, the other day, was the political elites in the world ever really taking it, it's definitely going to be. | ||
| It's dystopian. | ||
| It's definitely going to be bifurcated, them and everybody else. | ||
| Joe Allen. | ||
| So, you know, this idea of biases in the data sets that, or in the parameters that the AI has been set up with, absolutely true. | ||
| You know, the Imperial College London A fiasco, although that was not AI based, it was equation based, is a very good example of how disastrous that could be. | ||
| But I think even more dangerous than just the sort of bumbling mistakes that programmers would make, or just the sort of human limitations that they're going to bring to these AI systems, that they are definitely going to integrate into as many aspects of our lives as possible to turn our decisions this way and that way using that AI. | ||
| The most dangerous thing we face are the AI ethics boards that are rapidly forming around this in universities and they're actively speaking with congressmen and various other politicians and they're pressuring corporations to, in order to eliminate human bias, to inculcate almost always some kind of lefty bias into these systems of control. | ||
| That is a huge problem. | ||
| Patrick, how do people get to your writings? | ||
| We've got about a minute. | ||
| Get to your writings. | ||
| How do they get to your website? | ||
| How do they follow you on social media? | ||
| I'd encourage them to go to technocracy.news where they can get a daily digest of the articles that we post. | ||
| And as far as distribution on social media now, the only sources that I'm posting to are Getter and to Telegram. | ||
| I've gotten banned from LinkedIn and YouTube and I'm off of Facebook and I'm off of Twitter, and so I've only got those two places now if you want to find out what we're saying in the social realm. | ||
| They're pretty powerful. | ||
| Patrick, honored. | ||
| Thank you for coming on. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| Thank you for doing this special. | ||
| Okay, we're going to have Joe Allen. | ||
| We've got a couple other tricks up our sleeve here. | ||
| Mark Jaftevic is going to join us from the Crypto Capitalist. | ||
| One of the most brilliant thinkers about all things digital. | ||
| Take a short commercial break. | ||
| We'll return with our special. | ||
| Hope we've given you enough to chew on today. | ||
| It's a firestorm of, um, quite difficult. | ||
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The politics of this is going to be quite tricky. | |
| The populist nationalist movement confronts the technocracy. | ||
| All next in the war room. | ||
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| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room Pandemic. | ||
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| Also, I want to make sure if you want to particularly about the made in China 2025 and China's role in this, the Chinese Communist Party, not the Chinese people, you'll see the the great war against the CCP against this virus and what happened and. | ||
| On the Maiden Shine of 2025, which is kind of the railhead. | ||
| It's one of the things, the railhead of what brought this, crystallized the thinking of a lot of people about this concept of the singularity when they identified 10 industries they were going to dominate by 2025. | ||
| And oh, surprise, the top six, the first six, were all related to that convergence. | ||
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| I want to bring in now a friend of the show. | ||
| Somebody who's been on many times. | ||
| A really brilliant guy that understands digital probably as well as anybody. | ||
| And particularly crypto. | ||
| Yes, this is a concept that comes up fairly frequently when you talk about technocracy and, in particular, the extremes of transhumanism. | ||
| from Toronto joins us. Got a brilliant article up. Joe, I want you to walk the audience through with with Mark exactly what is it, the Tower of Babel? Yes, this is a concept that comes up fairly frequently when you talk about technocracy and in particular the extremes of transhumanism. | ||
| The idea that the myth of the Tower of Babel is in many ways presaging this this this This unified global structure. | ||
| In the book I was just talking about from Schmidt and Kissinger, one of the things they really drive home about the massive shift that artificial intelligence will bring about is the ability to immediately translate back and forth between languages and across borders. | ||
| And they recognize the Tower of Babel in a single sentence, but they downplay any of the dangers. | ||
| And I think Mark has a far more critical view on that. | ||
| So I'll just turn that over to him. | ||
| Hey, Joe. | ||
| Hey, Steve. | ||
| Thanks for having me on again. | ||
| It's always nice to be on the show. | ||
| For me, the Tower of Babel, I mean, we know what the biblical story is all about, and I think that's very metaphorical and allegorical and symbolic. | ||
| What the Tower of Babel story is really about, I think, is what happens when man or humanity tries to usurp, in those days, God, using technology. | ||
| If you read between the lines of what's going on, The Tower was a platform and they were a unified system that was trying to reach into the heavens and become as a God and then things went badly and you had this Tower of Babel moment that set humanity back aeons, okay? | ||
| Now we're here today. | ||
| We're not trying to usurp God per se because we live in a materialist world that they think there isn't even a God. | ||
| They think that Consciousness is a byproduct of material, not the other way around, and so now we're trying to kick-start this singularity. | ||
| We're trying to create artificial intelligence using our technology, and we think that once that happens, a mind is going to leap out of that technology, and it's going to solve all our problems. | ||
| But here's the issue, as I see it. | ||
| There is no such thing as artificial intelligence. | ||
| There will never be artificial intelligence because algos can't think. | ||
| They have no consciousness. | ||
| They have no sentience. | ||
| They have no mind. | ||
| They have no awareness. | ||
| AI, whenever you hear the phrase AI, I always think mentally, algorithmic imitation. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Maybe you can create an algo that can beat the world's greatest chess player. | ||
| Maybe you can create an algo that can diagnose lung X-rays better than the best oncologist can. | ||
| That's all great and some of it can be quite useful but taking it to the point where we think we're going to invoke this singularity, we're going to create this moment in time beyond which humanity will be taken care of by this all-powerful artificial intelligence which is going to | ||
| We've heard all the phrases, our last invention and homo deus and all of that. | ||
| None of that's going to happen because we have our idea of reality completely backwards. | ||
| We think that if we cram enough processing power into enough transistors, suddenly a mind and consciousness is going to come out of it, but that really isn't the way Reality works. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think any spiritual tradition thinks so. | ||
| This is kind of the same conflict we had hundreds of years ago between the geocentric worldview and the heliocentric worldview. | ||
| Back then they all thought the universe revolved around the earth and we were the pinnacle of creation and we were the center of the universe and then some guy comes along called Copernicus and he says it doesn't really work like that. | ||
| That's not how it goes. | ||
| And then after enough people were burned at the stake, we finally came to face reality in that we live in a heliocentric universe. | ||
| We're at the same moment today where we have all of the experts and the wizened conventional mainstream gurus are saying, we can create a mind out of matter. | ||
| We can engineer a mind. | ||
| We can engineer consciousness. | ||
| It will be superior to our own ability to think And it's going to take over the world and run things for us. | ||
| And this is the big Copernican moment now. | ||
| Reality is consciousness and immaterial substance first that gives rise to matter. | ||
| It's the basis of religion. | ||
| It's the basis of spirituality. | ||
| It's the basis of quantum mechanics. | ||
| Until people face that reality, you're not going to get a machine that thinks no matter how much Parallelism, you pack into these transistors. | ||
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| You know, I think Mark, one of the real dangers, let's just accept the premise, right? | ||
| No consciousness will arise from a machine. | ||
| But the real danger is that the artificial intelligence programs that have already been developed take the open AI system, GPT-3, it's able to produce reasonable facsimiles of a human personality. | ||
| It's wonky, it's very unpredictable, but as these things advance and as all of these technology industries converge and start to really pull the resources and the ideas and technologies cross-fertilize, I think that there's a very good possibility that within just the next, say, five to ten years, we'll see artificial intelligence systems that may not achieve artificial general intelligence, and they may not have anything going on behind them, | ||
| maybe just be dead space in place of consciousness, but they will be convincing enough that human beings will interact with them as if they were. | ||
| conscious, and maybe most importantly, as we are further isolated from one another and more and more people live out their lives in loneliness, we'll develop these subcultures, perhaps even mainstream cultures, in which people spend inordinate amounts of time talking to robots, divulging their secrets to robots. | ||
| There may not be a consciousness on the other end of that robot, but you can be sure there are going to be plenty of people that are on the other end of it, and they will be using that information any way they can. | ||
| Right, so there's two things in what you just said. | ||
| One, you've got robots that can pass a Turing test, right? | ||
| So that's the old | ||
| sort of acid test of can it can you convince someone that it's that it's a natural language that you're talking to a real person and that would be the mother of all intelligence gathering devices because people will just as you say right now we already put our deepest darkest secrets into our tracking beacons so if you've got a robot that sounds like it's thinking talking to you then you'll tell it all your secrets as well and you've got a great even better basis for surveillance society and then the other side of it is | ||
| As we give these flawed algos more and more trust, data, knowledge about us, and power, and we put it on them to sort of hit this singularity moment, we're not going to get a singularity. | ||
| We're going to get a Tower of Babel moment instead. | ||
| And that's sort of what we were leading to there, is that this is Tower of Babel 2. | ||
| It's this using technology, ascribing attributes to it that are possible to obtain, and then putting all the marbles on betting on success on a system that can't actually fulfill its requirements. | ||
| And then we could really, really blow things up in a major way, especially if these systems become so interconnected and so intertwined and so data-dense that we can't unwind them ourselves. | ||
| We may very well make a machine that's more data dense than anything we can think up in our own minds. | ||
| And even though it won't be sentient, it can sure mess things up if it all falls apart or when it all falls apart. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You know, what I think the real danger that we're seeing right now, three sectors that really bother me, though there are plenty of others, the first being education, this strong push towards e-learning and digital education, including raising children to interact with robots. | ||
| The other is just in the economy in general, the extent to which in order to participate within the economy and get a high level job, You are forced to basically digitize yourself to become a sort of proto-cyborg, and you're in many ways beholden to AI. | ||
| Third, and perhaps going back to the Tower of Babel, the idea that there's being seeded that an AI can supplant or take the place of what God or the spiritual realm should be occupying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that was a statement, not a question, bro. | ||
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| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I mean, and all of that was just, you know, I watched it with my daughter under lockdowns on just I mean, she made to her credit. | ||
| She she was able to she was able to adapt to the e-learning scenario without suffering too much angst. | ||
| But she is certainly happy to get back To the real world, seeing her friends in school and that sort of thing. | ||
| But I did see that potential that you were talking about. | ||
| It's like, you know, once once they're talking, once they're teaching these kids remotely, they don't even need to have a person on the other end of this. | ||
| They could they could have an algo on the other end of it. | ||
| It could be an avatar, could be an NFT. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That that just is is is is piping whatever, you know, whatever kind of intellectual music through the line that That they want to indoctrinate these kids with. | ||
| And then that next point you were talking about, that it's going to be increasingly harder to make a living in the world when you have to be tethered to these platforms in a digital way. | ||
| That was just, and I'm not a biblical literalist, but it sounded very Mark of the Beast-ish to me. | ||
| Like it just sounded like that entire Scenario from Revelations where if you don't have the number of the beast on your forehead or your hand you can't buy and you can't sell and and and Everyone the rich and the poor were compelled to to wear this number I mean it is so creepily prescient that this seems to be the direction that we that were that things are going to Under their own steam, under design, under malevolent guidance. | ||
| I really don't know. | ||
| I just see it going in that direction. | ||
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Mark, can you hang on for one second? | |
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to turn with Mark Jephtavik. | ||
| Joe Allen on our special, The Transhumanist Revolution, here on War and Pandemic. | ||
| Be back in a moment. | ||
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| Mark, what is your, how do people get access to you? | ||
| How do they get access to all your writings? | ||
| One of the things we're trying to do is give people to understand nomenclature in this, critical path, process, statics and dynamics, all of it, to get, so make sure they're smart on transhumanism and what it's going to mean and what the politics are eventually, just like they have populism and nationalism and traditionalism. | ||
| What do you got, sir? | ||
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| He's absolutely amazing thinker. | ||
| Mark, thank you so much for joining us here in the War Room. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Thanks, Joe. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Joe, I want to run this by you, because to me it's one of the things that tells everything between the fusion of machine and man and man. | ||
| It's Mark 3, 28-30. | ||
| Truly, I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemes they utter. | ||
| But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin, for they had said, He has an unclean spirit. | ||
| Joe Allen, this whole convergence, the metaverse, the singularity, all of it, it is basically a merger of man and machine, is it not? | ||
| Yeah, I'm much better able to address that than I am theology, even though I spent the better part of my adult life studying theology. | ||
| But I would definitely say this about that idea of blaspheming the Holy Spirit in the way that I would interpret it. | ||
| Especially in regard to technology. | ||
| What you see, not everywhere in the world of technology and big tech, but it's fairly pervasive. | ||
| This notion that technology is a replacement for other human-oriented sorts of values. | ||
| They use terms like human-centered all the time. | ||
| That usually means that it fits in nicely with whatever desire you have. | ||
| At the farthest extent of this, you hear hints of it in Eric Schmidt. | ||
| You hear it overtly with Ray Kurzweil or Mo Gowdat. | ||
| You hear it to some extent in Kai-Fu Lee's newest book, AI 2041. | ||
| What they are, many of these technologists are creating, is a digital false idol. | ||
| It is, these are entities that they are creating that human beings are expected to interact with as if they were actual sentient entities. | ||
| Or if they are sentient entities, as if that was desirable. | ||
| It is, without a doubt, a new religion. | ||
| If nothing else, this is the sort of force that comes in when traditional religion, uh, Pulls away in the face of modernity. | ||
| So I don't know whether or not Eric Schmidt and Ray Kurzweil are in danger of eternal hellfire. | ||
| That's certainly not for me to decide. | ||
| But I would definitely say that the technocratic structure that they're building over our societies and the sorts of lifestyles that they're encouraging for young people to indulge in technology rather than to struggle and commune with one another That they are creating a technological false god, and it is far more powerful than I'm comfortable with. | ||
| One of the things that we're going to try to expose and make sure people understand about their tax dollars and their pension funds and their savings is that one of the most disturbing things is this is accelerating at an accelerating rate and you're very close. | ||
| I mean, Harari basically said you can't control it. | ||
| There's no types of regulation you put into there. | ||
| I think when you and I talk about it and when we study these different verticals, it increases at an increasing rate. | ||
| That is One of the biggest issues we have. | ||
| So once again, Joe, how do people get to you, your writings? | ||
| This is one of many we're going to have. | ||
| We're trying to do a primer so that people are up to speed on this. | ||
| Once the war impasse gets their teeth into something, they're not they don't let go easily. | ||
| And we're going to need to get our teeth into this. | ||
| Let me say this in twenty twenty four. | ||
| This is not going to be an insignificant part of what people are talking about in a presidential campaign. | ||
| This is coming upon us very rapidly, and decisions are going to have to be made. | ||
| You just can't look the other way. | ||
| And you look at this, I'm not calling the climate change a misdirection play, but you look at all the attention that's put on that, and you look at the very little attention put on this, and this is far, far, far, far more dangerous than that. | ||
| Joe, how do people get to you? | ||
| How do they get to your writings? | ||
| I've got a minute to give one positive outro. | ||
| I think that all of this is obviously a very dark picture, but the positive on the other end is we are still human, and I think that if you go out and hug your families, if you make love to your girlfriend or whoever it is, and gather in your sanctuaries together, these are the experiences that make life worth living. | ||
| Brian Kennedy certainly emphasizes that, and I do too. | ||
| You can always find me at JoeBot.xyz, social media, Gab, Twitter, and Gitter, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, and definitely check out the stuff at warroom.org, the transhumanism tab. | ||
| You can tell Joe is great. | ||
| We're so glad to have him on Voice. | ||
| It's such a great thing. | ||
| He is a new addition to the War Room family. | ||
| Hey, I'm the Dark Lord with the black hand, right? | ||
| You gotta have the apocalyptic version. | ||
| A lot to think about. | ||
| A lot to study. | ||
| This is why we're putting information out there for you. | ||
| We want to make sure everybody's all over this. | ||
| Okay, until Monday. | ||
| And Monday we're back into the daily grind of the political fight. | ||
| It's a firestorm that's brewing. | ||
| A firestorm that's going to come later this month and into December with trying to radically transform the economy, the federal budget, and the direction of the United States government and its relationship to individuals. | ||
| In the War Room on Monday. | ||
| I want to thank Joe Allen, Patrick Wood, all the people here that were just fantastic, Mark Jakovec, and of course James Paulus. | ||
| We'll see you on Monday, the 1st. | ||
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