Sept. 21, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Killed more than 100 people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
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France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | |
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| This is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
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France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | |
| Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always. | ||
| Because if you don't, then the worst happens. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Your point about 1974 and Schlesinger, Bob and I have talked about this. | ||
| I mean, Bob and Carl Bernstein with The Final Days, President Nixon talking to pictures. | ||
| We have some echoes of that moment in our book. | ||
| On January 5th, the eve of the insurrection, the riot at the Capitol, we have this scene of President Trump not only pressuring Vice President Pence, In the Oval Office. | ||
| But then opening the door to have the cold air come into the Oval Office, talking to his aides, saying, can you hear my supporters outside? | ||
| Talking to these people as he hears them out in the streets on a cold, almost freezing night, hours before the rally that ultimately led to the riot. | ||
| And that's the luxury of time, as Bob calls it, that we had to really dig into what actually happened. | ||
| It was a domestic political crisis, a national security emergency as well. | ||
| And what's so potent about that scene with Trump in the Oval Office hearing the mob out there and he's just enthralled with the mob and we discussed this and it reminded me of Nixon talking to the pictures of former presidents on the wall at a moment as Watergate was cracking open and cracking his presidency. | ||
| And the equivalent is that Trump isn't talking to George Washington or Abraham Lincoln like Nixon was. | ||
| He's talking to this mob. | ||
| This is his base. | ||
| This is what he gets. | ||
| And who's he talking to that night? | ||
| Steve Bannon on the phone? | ||
| He's telling Steve Bannon over at the Willard Hotel, we need to kill the Biden presidency in the crib. | ||
| That was the phrase based on our reporting in that conversation. | ||
| Tell us, Bob Costa, what you know about the pressure that was put on Mike Pence and on anyone else in the administration or members of the Senate to try and help Trump stay in the presidency even after he had lost. | ||
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Enormous pressure, Mika, and our book documents how Vice President Dan Quayle, as part of this coterie of friends and confidants who's talking to Vice President Pence as he navigates the decision, wants to probably run in 2024, wants to stay loyal to President Trump. | |
| But what's most interesting to us is the new information we discovered on how the legal side of the Trump team, John Eastman and other lawyers, were trying to convince the Vice President and his team to decertify President-elect Biden's victory at the time in that transition period offering all these legal arguments to have Vice President Pence essentially walk away from the lectern on January 6th and that could have been a constitutional crisis. | ||
| Could have been a constitutional crisis? | ||
| Would have been the way to do it as we're funding it now as we get into Arizona. | ||
| Remember on Arizona on Friday afternoon at 1 p.m. | ||
| I think it's local time. | ||
| We'll put forward the four volumes for the first part of a full forensic audit. | ||
| We're going to see there. | ||
| Is John Eastman ready? | ||
| Okay, we've got John Eastman himself. | ||
| CNN broke this morning a six-point memo that John Eastman put forward to the President and to Mike Pence to Walk through what would have been a Pence sending back to the states, which should have happened, to let Pennsylvania and Georgia and Arizona and a couple other states that requested it to sit there and to go through their certification process. | ||
| I want to bring in now Professor John Eastman. | ||
| Professor, you wrote that memo. | ||
| You're all over this book. | ||
| Of course, the mainstream media has heads blowing up that you're an insurrectionist. | ||
| You're one of the intellectual architects of this rebellion. | ||
| What say you, sir? | ||
| And can you tell us what we're going to put the CNN story up in a minute? | ||
| Can you walk us through the six point plan? | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| So let me let me put it this way. | ||
| First of all, the memo that Costa and Woodward published in their book was a preliminary memo. | ||
| They knew that they had the full memo. | ||
| They chose not to acknowledge it in their book, as I understand it. | ||
| I've not read the book, but but they're focusing on the preliminary draft. | ||
| The fuller draft outlines the premise. | ||
| Hold on, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean they put in a preliminary draft and they knew they had the final draft and they did not put that in? | ||
| Yep, they knew it because I had talked to them and I sent them, I said you guys, you guys have a very preliminary version of this without any of the context or the premises that were laid out in it or the legal authority. | ||
| Here's the full version and they had that and unless it's in the book as well and everybody's just ignoring it, they chose not to focus on it. | ||
| us on it. And certainly the Washington Post story. | ||
| The Washington Post reporter called me the other day after the manuscripts of the Woodward and Costa book were out. | ||
| And I said that, you know, she asked me about that memo. | ||
| And I said, that's just that's the preliminary one. | ||
| Here's the full version. | ||
| And she had it and chose not to mention it in her article. | ||
| And then, of course, CNN picked up from those things the earlier draft. | ||
| The fuller draft lays the premise. | ||
| And look, look, if the premise is Biden clearly won. | ||
| And we were looking for a way to avoid inaugurating President Biden, then all of the scurrilous attacks that are being heaped my way and the president's way would be deserved. | ||
| But of course, that wasn't the premise. | ||
| The premise, and it sets out at the beginning of the full memo, is that there was illegal conduct in every one of these states, sufficient enough to have affected the outcome of the election. | ||
| And under that premise, was there anything that could be done To avoid certifying an illegally elected, uh, illegally certified president. | ||
| That was the premise. | ||
| And to ignore that premise, uh, on the way to making a false claim of insurrection is, is quite frankly, dishonest. | ||
| Uh, but what I was asked to do in this memo was to articulate all of the various scenarios that had been proposed and that were on the table and war game them, you know, your, your, your shows, uh, called the war game, right? | ||
| War room. | ||
| Um, to war game them, what would happen under either any of those scenarios and what was the legal authority? | ||
| Uh, and I laid that out and including saying, look, but none of those scenarios make any sense if the, the legislatures of the states haven't certified the alternate slate of electors. | ||
| Um, and, and the vice president in the meeting I had in the Oval Office with him and the president on January 4th specifically asked me, do you think I have the authority to simply unilaterally Um, decide that certain of these electoral votes are invalid. | ||
| And I said, that's an open question. | ||
| This is a direct quote, but whether or not you have that authority, the fact that the legislatures have not certified the alternate slate of electors would make it foolish to exercise it. | ||
| And that's why at the end of the day, what we were asking is simply that he accede to requests from a number of the state legislatures as legislators to Delay things so that they were now coming back into formal session. | ||
| Their governors refused to call them into special session to deal with this. | ||
| They were now back in a normal session and they wanted to look at it. | ||
| The Pennsylvania Senate pro tem president had specifically said our electoral votes are illegally certified. | ||
| Let us get to the bottom of the impact that that illegality had and whether Biden was properly certified or not. | ||
| And we'll let you know within a week or so. | ||
| That was what we were asking of the Vice President, and that's what he refused to do. | ||
| Who was his legal counsel? | ||
| You know, you hear the name Mark Short, but Mark Short's not a lawyer. | ||
| Did he have real heavyweight constitutional lawyers that were in these meetings with you and talking to you about all this? | ||
| He did. | ||
| His general counsel was a gentleman by the name of Greg Joseph. | ||
| I think he's a good lawyer. | ||
| University of Chicago Law School grad, as am I, and he said, you know, delaying things would violate subsection 16 of the Electoral Count Act. | ||
| And I said, look, yeah, that's right. | ||
| But if the Electoral Count Act's procedural and the subsection he was referring to said, once you convene the joint session of Congress, it can't adjourn until the work is done. | ||
| And I said, yeah, well, you know, if, if the work means certifying, uh, electoral votes that you've been told by key authorities in the States are illegally certified, then the constitutional requirement of a valid certification preempts over the statutory requirement. | ||
| Um, but, but, but, and there are other provisions of the Electoral Count Act, such as, you know, a tiebreaker going to the elector, the elect executive certified electors rather than a legislative certified electors. That violates Article 2 of the Constitution. So most constitutional scholars, until this current partisan controversy, have acknowledged that major provisions of the Electoral Count Act are unconstitutional. | ||
| Didn't, I think, was it Lawrence Tribe that wrote the big, I think it was, I don't know if it was hard to review, but wrote a big law review piece about this? Well he did. | ||
| He wrote a piece. | ||
| A Yale graduate law student wrote a piece under the tutelage of two of Yale's top constitutional guys, Akhil Amar and Bruce Ackerman. | ||
| John Yoo wrote a major piece summarizing all of those articles and evidence and agreeing with it in October of last year. | ||
| But I was the one that said, no, I think the argument that the vice president has unilateral authority here is weaker. | ||
| But that's why that's why I said, you know, you got to send this back to the state legislatures as they are asking so that they can get to the bottom of it and then let you know whether the certified electoral votes you have were valid or not. | ||
| By the way, Tribe is now attacking me because he says I've taken his article out of context. | ||
| What he specifically argued in the article I cited in the memo was that this was back in September before the election. | ||
| He posed a hypothetical. | ||
| Suppose at the end of the day on November 3rd, Biden has 288 and Trump has 260, or whatever the number, 250 I guess it would be. | ||
| But 20 votes from Pennsylvania are contested. | ||
| If you take away those 20 votes, would that throw it to the House of Representatives? | ||
| Because Biden would be below the majority of the total. | ||
| You need 270 as the majority of the total. | ||
| And tribes specifically argue, That if the 20 contested votes from Pennsylvania are discarded, that lowers the denominator and Biden would still win because he would have a majority of the electors appointed. | ||
| And of course, the scenario that we actually dealt with had, you know, contested electoral votes from five or six states. | ||
| And if you take all of those away, Trump ends up with a majority of the remainder, 232 to 224. | ||
| And under tribe's own argument, that means he would win. | ||
| That was one of the scenarios put into that memo, and Tribe is now saying, I've distorted it, I've taken it out of context. | ||
| Well, the only context is, in his hypothetical, Biden still wins. | ||
| In what we actually saw on the ground, Trump wins, and so I guess taken out of context means he's just looking at what the end result was. | ||
| Did, we only got a couple minutes here, but anytime, you essentially said in Pence, you have the authority, particularly when the state legislature says, hey, we've had a number of problems here, issues that have come up about the certification of these electors. | ||
| We want you to send it back and we will get back to you within 10 days or something. | ||
| That's essentially what you were arguing. | ||
| At no time did you say that they should be flipped to President Trump. | ||
| Am I correct? | ||
| Although I will say this. | ||
| People had argued for that, and those were some of the scenarios I discussed in the memo. | ||
| But the recommendation in the memo was the end one, to send it back to the state legislatures. | ||
| But look, let me make this real clear. | ||
| What happens if Pennsylvania's governor had certified the Biden electors, and Pennsylvania's legislature had certified the Trump electors? | ||
| And you've got both certifications up there at the joint session of Congress. | ||
| Somebody has to make a decision about which of those to count. | ||
| And the argument is whether it's the joint session collectively, which is the only authority given, and they are there just to be present, or is it the vice president? | ||
| Or is it under the Electoral Count Act that they split into their separate houses and take a definitive vote without any constitutional authority? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're burning daylight here, and I've got to get you back on, hopefully tomorrow, because we've got to drill down on the book, what it says about not having the right memo. | ||
| Also about Pence's letter. | ||
| I don't think any drafts were circulated on that letter, and I believe Pence's letter that he put forward to start this was totally wrong in its first couple of paragraphs. | ||
| But I want to hold that for tomorrow. | ||
| Okay, very good. | ||
| But I want to go through detail. | ||
| Yeah, John, thank you very much. | ||
| John, how did they get you on social media? | ||
| Are you on social media? | ||
| Yeah, I'm still on Twitter, Dr. John Eastman. | ||
| I think I'm on Getter now, too, but I don't remember. | ||
| It's probably just John Eastman at Getter. | ||
| Okay, they'll make sure you don't get kicked off Getter. | ||
| Okay, Professor Eastman, we've got to get you back because this is More important now than it even was then, because now you've got Pennsylvania rolling, you've got Georgia rolling, Arizona's going to be on Friday. | ||
| So Professor John Eastman, the author of these obviously controversial memos, we'll have him back on tomorrow. | ||
| Professor Eastman, thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Okay, this audience has forced a vote on the continuing resolution of the death ceiling in Congress that we're working on right now. | ||
| Also, we're going to go to the border. | ||
| All next in The War Room. | ||
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Congresswoman, what's going to happen over the next, let's say, six hours and then let's say week and a half? | |
| Well, you know, high drama is the only way we operate here. | ||
| And unfortunately, we have a recalcitrant Republican leadership in Mitch McConnell, who by the way, has three times in the Trump administration He lifted the debt limit, has said it would be a disaster if we defaulted, and now all of a sudden he's using this as a political football. | ||
| Well, tell that to the Social Security recipients who aren't going to get their checks. | ||
| Tell it to all the banks and everyone who's got money in accounts when the interest rate goes up, when we create a financial disaster across the world. | ||
| This is reckless. | ||
| This is beyond reckless. | ||
| And I think we've got to call out the Republicans who think that this is just a fine political game to be played. | ||
| You have described it here on this show as reckless, Congresswoman, but I don't know that that changes the facts of what is at hand in front of you here, which is that there is absolutely no sign that the GOP will back down. | ||
| So the question to you then, what is the plan B? | ||
| Is there one? | ||
| No, there can't be a plan B. We've already incurred these debts. | ||
| In fact, 27% of the debt that's been created has been created by Donald Trump during his administration. | ||
| Only 3% under the Biden administration. | ||
| The money that we spent on the rescue plan, where we propped up businesses, we propped up people who were unemployed, that's all been spent Everyone supported it. | ||
| We had 44 Republicans who supported that. | ||
| So, on the one hand, they want to support it, but then they don't want to pay for it? | ||
| I mean, it's just irresponsible. | ||
| And we've got to call them out for it. | ||
| And we've got to make everyone aware of what this means to every single American if the Republicans go through with this political game. | ||
| Okay, we told you this was going to happen. | ||
| That's Jackie Spears over there in Congress, total meltdown. | ||
| There can't be a plan B. Oh, sorry ma'am, there is going to be a plan B because the plan that you're running, the scam you're running, ain't going to pass muster. | ||
| They're over there right now, down the street here. | ||
| They're trying to get this continued resolution. | ||
| They're trying to get the death sentence. | ||
| They're trying to get all of it. | ||
| One fell swoop. | ||
| They came and heard their own. | ||
| They can't wrangle their own votes. | ||
| They're bailing on Israel, the Iron Dome. | ||
| They're over there fighting each other, the progressives and the far leftist, the Democratic Party. | ||
| She talked about the bailouts. | ||
| This is what we said today. | ||
| Hey, Jackie, Congressman Spears, Before he raised the debt ceilings, $28.3 trillion, and this is the scam. | ||
| Oh, we spend the money first, then we come and ask. | ||
| No, those games are over. | ||
| Days are over! | ||
| What you should do, the $5 trillion that you passed and spent, go back to the Chinese Communist Party and say, where is our money? | ||
| Give us back our $5 trillion that we spent. | ||
| Taking care of the drop in aggregate demand. | ||
| Remember, this whole show is based upon a pandemic, triggers an economic crisis, triggers a capital markets crisis, triggers a geopolitical crisis. | ||
| That was in January 2020. | ||
| It's all come to pass. | ||
| And now the chickens have come home to roost. | ||
| The answer is no. | ||
| We're the debtor in possession. | ||
| We're a dip lender. | ||
| And Jackie, you better come up with a plan B, because plan A You've run it up the flagpole and nobody saluted, okay? | ||
| No, we're just not going to kick the can down the road. | ||
| Where is your plan? | ||
| The government runs out of money on 30th September. | ||
| This has been around for decades and decades and decades. | ||
| Is this a big surprise to you? | ||
| Now you need more time? | ||
| Sorry, not sorry. | ||
| Where is your plan? | ||
| You don't have the money right now to pay for the trillion dollar deficits you're going to run for the next 10 years every year, much less this phony infrastructure bill and this insane, insane Great Society to the Tenth Power that you got such geniuses as Omar and AOC running around saying, oh, we should spend six and a half trillion dollars. | ||
| The total money they want here is about 10 to 15 trillion dollars. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| We're not going to put... Our kids are already like Russian serfs. | ||
| We're not going to make them debt slaves. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| And now this audience... We trapped them. | ||
| They're... I told you they'd be like rats on a ship. | ||
| They're boxed in a corner. | ||
| And now they have to come forward. | ||
| Congressman Spears, don't get so emotional. | ||
| Come forward like you should to any dip lender. | ||
| Come to the board. | ||
| Come to the debtors in possession and make your presentation. | ||
| Remember, the first thing that happens on these presentations is they get rid of management. | ||
| Thank you for your presentation. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| New management. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You control the House. | ||
| You control the Senate. | ||
| You control the White House. | ||
| You, ma'am, are going to shut down the government. | ||
| You, ma'am, are not going to get enough votes. | ||
| The Republicans have to be strong. | ||
| Go to Wharram.org right now. | ||
| Go up in the left-hand column. | ||
| If you type in your zip code, type in your zip code, your representative, all the information. | ||
| And today, it's just not a phone call. | ||
| You need an email and a phone call. | ||
| Send a long email and tell them what you think. | ||
| You finally, you are now in the room. | ||
| You have power. | ||
| You have ultimate power. | ||
| Not in the room, not in the deal, and you're in the room. | ||
| Tell the Republicans, it's quite simple, no and no. | ||
| No on the continued resolution, no on the debt ceiling. | ||
| No and no. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Let them come back with a plan that works. | ||
| And here's the plan they should have. | ||
| Show us what you want to spend by midnight on September 30th, on the first of October. | ||
| Otherwise, hmm. | ||
| I guess you're going to shut down your government. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| And debt ceiling, we're not going to increase one bit. | ||
| Go to China and get our money. | ||
| Where's the $5 trillion? | ||
| Take us from $28.4 trillion down to $23 trillion. | ||
| $23.4 trillion because the $5 trillion we already spent on the Chinese Communist Party virus. | ||
| I want to bring in now Dr. Richard Vetter from the Independent Institute. | ||
| Dr. Vetter, your thoughts on this orgy of spending that's going on at Capitol. | ||
| They want to spend and now we got them trapped that they can't spend. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir. | ||
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My thoughts are this is a disgrace. | |
| Our nation is going to hell. | ||
| Our nation is going to hell and it's going to hell because of an irresponsible leadership, which of course is predominantly the Democratic Party. | ||
| It's Joe Biden. | ||
| It's all the rest that go with them. | ||
| It's Nancy Pelosi. | ||
| It's et cetera, et cetera, so forth. | ||
| But this has been going on for a long time, Steve. | ||
| This isn't new. | ||
| It's just gotten a lot, lot worse. | ||
| And when we get up towards roughly $30 trillion in debt, and we have an economy that is smaller than that on an annual basis, We have 125%, 130% GDP. | ||
| Our debt is 125% of GDP, and it's growing. | ||
| We're getting to be like Greece. | ||
| We're getting to be like Argentina. | ||
| We're getting to be like Japan. | ||
| And what has happened to all of these other countries? | ||
| What's happened to all of them? | ||
| They all have sluggish economies, or have had. | ||
| And our once great countries that have declined. | ||
| Japan is a shadow of its former self. | ||
| Greece peaked, admittedly, with Socrates and Aristotle, but it was a viable economy 20 years ago. | ||
| But it isn't today. | ||
| And we are going the same way, and we've got to do something about it. | ||
| The debt ceiling is a good place to start. | ||
| By the way, breaking news, I'm getting this from Capitol Hill, that it looks like Pelosi, the progressives over there, are not going to back down on certain requests in this CR, and that Pelosi is not going to bring a bill up that's going to fail. | ||
| So right now, there's total confusion. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, God do I love this. | ||
| You've done such a great job. | ||
| This audience delivered this. | ||
| Delivered this exquisite moment. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Now you have them. | ||
| All these incompetents, all these socialists, all these leftists that couldn't run an ice cream stand. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| This is why we had to have a moment of clarity. | ||
| It's not about the $1.75 or $2.5 trillion infrastructure bill. | ||
| It's not about the crazy $3.5 trillion. | ||
| Right now, the way it's structurally set, because taxes traditionally, even if you increase the tax code, people figure out how to work around it. | ||
| Between 17% and 19% of GDP has always been raised for taxes, I think historically. | ||
| That's pretty flat line when you go back. | ||
| There's going to be a massive gap. | ||
| The next 10 years, I think the CBO, just on running the government with the transfer of payments and the discretionary spending, it's $1 trillion of deficits every year for the next 10 years. | ||
| So you're not talking about $30 trillion. | ||
| We're talking about, if we let them do this, it's $40 trillion just to run the show as the show's run, as the circus is run. | ||
| That doesn't include the add-ons. | ||
| The add-ons is another $1.25 trillion that's not paid for, and don't let them lie to you and say it is. | ||
| It's all smoke and mirrors. | ||
| The $3.5 trillion, that's not even close to being paid for. | ||
| And yet they're going to raise your taxes, but trust me, it's all unpaid for. | ||
| And here's what it means. | ||
| The Chinese and the Japanese aren't going to buy all those bonds, right, of the Gulf Emirates. | ||
| The taxes aren't going to be there. | ||
| That's still going to be 19% of GDP. | ||
| That gap, the trillion dollars every year is on you, the full faith and credit of the United States when the Treasury issues a bond and the Federal Reserve pays it, what we call monetizing the debt. | ||
| That would be you. | ||
| It is on your shoulders. | ||
| Don't let them ever mislead you on that. | ||
| They try to do all this spin around here. | ||
| That is you, your children, and your grandchildren. | ||
| You are enslaving your children to debt slavery to the capital markets of this world if you do it. | ||
| So look at them tonight at dinner and say, guess what? | ||
| I sent an email today to a guy and said, over my dead body will you do that? | ||
| Because now we got them cornered. | ||
| Now we got them cornered. | ||
| They can't get a CR pass. | ||
| They will shut the government down at midnight on the 30th. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| Not one penny in the debt ceiling. | ||
| Tell them to go to Beijing and get our $5 trillion first and then come back and talk to you. | ||
| The Debtor in Possession Committee met and wants you to go get our money from the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| $5 trillion we spent in the last 18 months. | ||
| Professor Vetter, do you have social media, sir? | ||
| Do you have a website? | ||
| I know you're at the Independent Institute. | ||
| How do people get to you? | ||
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I don't do social media, but I do independent.org. | |
| I kind of guessed that. | ||
| How do we get there? | ||
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Independent.org. | |
| Independent Institute is the organization I'm working with, and their website is independent.org. | ||
| We love you guys. | ||
| We had Judy Shelton on the other day. | ||
| In fact, our Getter team is going to get to you. | ||
| You've got to be on Getter, sir. | ||
| We've got to have your voice more often. | ||
| Thank you very much for joining us here. | ||
| Okay, ladies and gentlemen, this is a seminal moment. | ||
| I told you, and every day you're going to get hammered. | ||
| You're going to have the Congressman Spears up there. | ||
| You're terrible. | ||
| You're going to put the country in a recession. | ||
| You're going to kill three million jobs. | ||
| You're irresponsible. | ||
| You're going to blow up the Capitol. | ||
| No, you are not. | ||
| You're sitting there trying to save the country. | ||
| The people that brought this on got to come up with a solution. | ||
| And the first solution is not to come back to the children of America and say we're going to put another tent tree on you. | ||
| The first responsibility you got is get over to Beijing and get our money back. | ||
| The five trillion dollars from the CCP virus. | ||
| Do that first, then come back to us and we can have a civil conversation about raising the debt ceiling. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Then again, maybe not. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to go to the border to the other fiasco where the Biden administration is destroying people from Haiti trying to cross over here. | ||
| Next. | ||
| Okay, thank you very much. | ||
| You're back in the War Room. | ||
| We're really pressed for time today. | ||
| We have Captain Sabatini back here from Florida. | ||
| We've got a lot to go through with him. | ||
| He's running for Congress. | ||
| I've got to talk to him about everything, but I want to go to the border. | ||
| We've got the three gentlemen that have really done such an amazing job to break this story. | ||
| Ben Burquam from Real America's Voice. | ||
| We've got Todd Bensman from Center Immigration Study and Auden Cabrero, Independent Investigative Reporter. | ||
| Done an incredible job. | ||
| Ben, I'm going to toss to you. | ||
| Tell us where you are, what's going on. | ||
| I want to give one more shout out to Oscar Blue, who's been reporting from Tapachula, but you're right. | ||
| No one else is out here doing this. | ||
| I want to bring you out here. | ||
| We're in Acuna, Mexico. | ||
| This is a park that's been taken over by the many of the several thousand of the people that were in the camp under the bridge. | ||
| The bridge is just a couple hundred yards to our right here. | ||
| They've moved over to this park in Acuna because of the fear of deportation. | ||
| Now, Todd, you were just out there interviewing some of these people. | ||
| Talk to me about the significance of what you found out. | ||
| We'll find out there. | ||
| Well, the folks that are probably about 3,000 people in this park, right? | ||
| Wouldn't you agree? | ||
| There's several thousand people here. | ||
| When you interview them, they'll tell you that they are here to evade deportation to Haiti. | ||
| They all seem to know somebody that got deported in the last three days, and as a result, this is like a deportation haven. | ||
| This big Mexican public park There are people who brought their tents. | ||
| There's clothing hanging on the fencing. | ||
| There are children here. | ||
| They're settling in, is what's happening. | ||
| And it looks like what it looked like a little bit in the big encampment. | ||
| To me, what this means is that the Biden administration has embraced a Trump policy because it worked for Trump. | ||
| The issue, bigger issue though, is will this administration expand this policy all along the border to all of the immigrants who are crossing? | ||
| Because 200 miles from here, 400 immigrants from Haiti a day are crossing in the Rio Grande Valley. | ||
| Hundreds and hundreds, thousands a week. | ||
| But there's no TV cameras there. | ||
| There's not an encampment there. | ||
| So if you're going to have a deportation policy, it has to be applied to the entire border, and then you would shut this thing down. | ||
| You would have all of Mexico As a deportation sanctuary instead of just this one little public park. | ||
| And a couple things on that, Steve. | ||
| The Catch-22 that a lot of these folks are in, the vast majority of them are not from Haiti. | ||
| In fact, nobody I've interviewed is directly from Haiti. | ||
| They are all from Chile, Brazil, South America. | ||
| They've lived there for years. | ||
| They just got the invitation from Joe Biden and the Democrats that the borders were open and so they made their move. | ||
| But the only way that they can request asylum in America is to claim that they're from Haiti and say that they're fleeing the earthquakes and the tsunamis and the violence over there. | ||
| The problem with that is if they are denied asylum, which most of them will be, then they get deported to Haiti. | ||
| And that is the last thing any of them want. | ||
| So it's this catch-22 that they're in. | ||
| But the problem is, Now, all of this is coming back into Mexico. | ||
| And so, Auden, you're down here. | ||
| What does this mean to Mexico, to you, to the population down here? | ||
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So now, as I had predicted precisely on the show to Mr. Bannon, now it's going to be a humanitarian crisis. | |
| And we're seeing it. | ||
| We're witnessing here in Mexico. | ||
| Mexico is not prepared to receive these many migrants. | ||
| And that's what we're seeing right now. | ||
| We're living it. | ||
| And what's going to happen now with Mexico is this morning, the latest developments is we had migrants that were taken on bus to Piedra Negras. | ||
| And there's a flight that took place this morning back to Veracruz in southern Mexico. | ||
| So those are the latest developments on what's happening. | ||
| But as far as what we're seeing right now, where we're living, this is a humanitarian crisis. | ||
| And we're going to have to see how Mexico and the U.S. | ||
| play this out. | ||
| I mean, this is a nightmare for both countries. | ||
| And the worst part, Steve, is the organizations that are behind me that are pretending to provide care and support for the people that are here. | ||
| The same leftist NGOs, these organizations that have been inviting this invasion on our border, are now down here continuing to do that. | ||
| And the Democrats in America that are pushing for open borders are continuing to do that. | ||
| So not only is it affecting America, it is going to have severe, severe consequences On Mexico's social safety nets and this country as a whole as well as Central America. | ||
| It's an absolute disaster that could have been prevented to Todd's point if all you did was continue the Trump era policies. | ||
| Listen, the Biden administration brought, they don't care about the hard-working people in Mexico. | ||
| They don't care about the hard-working Hispanic Americans in the Rio Grande Valley. | ||
| They don't care about the people from Haiti. | ||
| These are all pawns. | ||
| And right now, they're being destroyed. | ||
| All the money of these folks that got to Brazil and Chile, all the money that they could garner, $10,000 to $15,000, they gave it to the worst human beings on earth, the cartels, to be trafficked up so that women could be raped. | ||
| Their children could be trafficked. | ||
| This is Biden's administration. | ||
| I want every Hispanic American in Rio Grande Valley and South Texas to see exactly what they've done, and now the hard-working folks in Mexico can't even come across the bridge. | ||
| People that play by the rules get crushed, right? | ||
| This is because they think these people are trash, and they treat them like trash, all this highfalutin talk. | ||
| Guys, thank you very much. | ||
| We're jammed for time. | ||
| We're going to come back to you guys tomorrow. | ||
| You three and Oscar Blue, the four of you guys have done incredible reporting on this. | ||
| You've changed the entire arc of the narrative because of your fearlessness. | ||
| Thank you so much for being on The War Room, guys. | ||
| See you tomorrow. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Okay, we have Captain Sabatini here. | ||
| Okay, so first off, before I get to this disaster that's happening over this fiasco that's happening in the Capitol, you've defended your country before. | ||
| Talk to me. | ||
| I mean, this looks like Mogadishu. | ||
| This is a humiliation. | ||
| Should it never have happened? | ||
| And the people are getting destroyed. | ||
| Are the little guys, the Haitians, the Mexicans, the Hispanic Americans in the rear grand, American citizens on this side of the border. | ||
| It looks like Mogadishu there. | ||
| This is a disgrace brought on by Biden and the rest of those demons and incompetence. | ||
| This is recklessness about people's lives. | ||
| Captain Sabatini. | ||
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It's a reckless disaster, but it's a reckless disaster that was purposely designed to be one. | |
| I obviously, I think there's a lot of intention here. | ||
| I think that the government wanted to create a chaos. | ||
| They want chaos at the border. | ||
| They want to be able to bring as many people in as possible and create chaos. | ||
| And it also serves as a distraction from some of the other things the Biden administration is doing in Afghanistan and so on. | ||
| So, it's sad to see that that's the level of despicable use. | ||
| You think that they're that... I mean, they would do this on purpose? | ||
| You think this is intentional that they would do this? | ||
| I know they said, come, the border's open. | ||
| But all the rest of it, you think this is intentional? | ||
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I think they knew that the conditions they were setting were going to lead to this and they just were willfully... | |
| Uh, you know, ignoring. | ||
| Maybe it was a little bit of cognitive dissonance, but they knew this was going to happen. | ||
| And I think they, they, they don't mind. | ||
| Let's talk about Afghanistan. | ||
| You know, today's at the UN. | ||
| We had the guys from Front National here today, the French saying, Hey, look, we don't want to hear it. | ||
| We're there to be your partner in the Indo-Pacific. | ||
| And Biden, they say, you know, Trump didn't get along with the European allies. | ||
| This guy's a total disaster because he just walks around and makes these decisions without getting anybody in the loop. | ||
| Talking to me about Afghanistan, the withdrawal. | ||
| You served your country. | ||
| About Milley and this stuff that's coming out in this book about Milley and the chain of command. | ||
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Well, I mean, it's far worse than anybody would have ever imagined. | |
| There's been no real oversight or plan at the Pentagon and in the institutions of this country, the defense sort of institutions. | ||
| We're seeing the fruit be born of that. | ||
| We have now people leading our country that care more about identity politics than they do actually about winning a war or achieving any kind of a positive outcome. | ||
| It's always about the present, and politics has infiltrated it, and obviously it's the best example of it. | ||
| We now have – I mean, Milley says he spends more time focusing on these cultural trends and these new suave books that are coming out and being forced out of the academies than he is about withdrawing from Afghanistan. | ||
| But I actually – I read a little bit deeper into this. | ||
| I almost think that some powers that be actually did want to see a crisis there in order to sort of keep us there longer. | ||
| I think that the withdrawal was on there must have been some intent there. | ||
| It was so insanely planned and so against every I think just common sense doctrine. | ||
| Anybody who spent even a day in the service knows that I think there was some intent there. | ||
| I think they want to see us Permanently in Afghanistan or yeah Afghanistan and in many other countries And so this was sort of an undermining of the administration to a certain extent too, so it's not just incompetence I think that's the deep state in action personally What about over there on Capitol Hill right now? | ||
| Because of this audience, we jammed them up. | ||
| They're going to vote on a continuing resolution, which they've been trying to hide because the government runs out of money on the 30th, and then totally runs out of money on the 15th of October because of the debt ceiling. | ||
| Right now, Scalise is whipping that vote. | ||
| The Republicans are holding tough. | ||
| The Democrats are coming unwound. | ||
| What are your thoughts? | ||
| You're running for Congress. | ||
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If you were over here today, what would be your attitude? | |
| Well, I just watched that clip, and that irate, mindless rant that that congresswoman put out was just despicable and insane. | ||
| No plan B. We're not going to have a plan B. You gotta accept what we got. | ||
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So insane. | |
| But basically, there's no way any Republican could ever even debate voting for that. | ||
| Really dereliction of duty. | ||
| One of our duties is to really keep this country solvent, to keep a country alive. | ||
| So they're going to sit there and say, you're going to throw us in a recession. | ||
| It's going to be three and a half million jobs. | ||
| You're going to blow up the capital markets. | ||
| You're going to default on government service. | ||
| We haven't done that in 234 years. | ||
| You guys are arsonists. | ||
| When they start throwing that at you, and particularly in the district that you're running, what's your response going to be? | ||
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Well, listen, you know, we're talking about making an insolvent nation of serfs, like you mentioned earlier. | |
| We have absolutely, you know, no second position on this. | ||
| You have to vote no. | ||
| We cannot vote for something like this. | ||
| And there's a portion of the funds that I just read were going to the Afghan refugee resettlement. | ||
| Six billion dollars. | ||
| A continuing resolution. | ||
| This is the great thing about having, because now in daylight, six billion dollars, not for the guys that fought with us. | ||
| They're over in the region. | ||
| This is for the other 65,000 to 100,000. | ||
| Six Billion dollars for one year, sir. | ||
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Unbelievable. | |
| So, you know, that resettlement money and all the other things that are in there generally hurt our country, and I think actually even a temporary shutdown would cause less harm than what is in that bill and causing the insolvency. | ||
| Look, you're a guy, you've served your country. | ||
| Why do you want this job up here? | ||
| Why, seriously, why are you running for governor? | ||
| This thing's a mess, right? | ||
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Because if I don't run, there's just going to be a rhino who's going to make the problem even worse, you know? | |
| Tell me about that. | ||
| Why are you MAGA and why would you be better than a rhino? | ||
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Well, all my policies at the end of the day, whether it's immigration, trade, borders, war, whatever it be, it all comes back to the same thing. | |
| We have to stop the systematic destruction of the middle class in this country. | ||
| I come from a family of Italian immigrants that came over in the 50s, small business owners, worked, saved every penny, and we're watching the livelihood and the dream and the opportunities they've had be utterly destroyed. | ||
| Everything that's happened the last two years has been the best concentration of those horrible, malevolent efforts from both parties, if you ask me. | ||
| And we have to make sure we're stabilizing middle America and the middle class in this country. | ||
| It's not happening, and that's got to be the sole focus of the party, and I don't see other Republicans talking about it. | ||
| When you say the sole focus, so you come, you get elected in Florida, walk me through here. | ||
| What would be your focus to do that, to help the middle class? | ||
| Tell me what you would focus on. | ||
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Well, the first and most immediate thing, the existential threat facing the country right now is the COVID tyranny. | |
| Until we can get through the COVID tyranny, you're not going to see replenished, healthy, small business, middle America moving again. | ||
| We're being torn apart by insane mandates and interference. | ||
| And so Fauciism and all this has to go away. | ||
| That should be the sole first thing we do. | ||
| Second of all, when it comes to immigration, we absolutely have to have an immigration moratorium If you don't do that, you're going to see declining wages, you're going to see more mayhem at the border in middle America, spreading out as we see every single day, and that's going to destabilize the country. | ||
| When you say medical tyranny, they're coming out by the end of September with a mandate that says they're going to authorize, for at least emergency authorization, for children 5 to 12, and they're going to say it's safe, I think with testing 3,000 kids, not hundreds of thousands, not taking 10 years, but taking a couple months. | ||
| What say you, sir? | ||
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The Congress needs to fight it like hell, but the truth is it's the states that have to take the lead. | |
| As a state legislator in Florida, I've already introduced legislation that's being finished soon that would actually push the states to nullify this law. | ||
| Now everyone's afraid of that word that, you know, it's too right-wing. | ||
| The state shouldn't be fighting the federal government on this. | ||
| Well, the truth is the left's been nullifying everything. | ||
| Medical marijuana was nullification, and of course, you know, the sanctuary cities and states. | ||
| We need to use those means to conservative ends. | ||
| We need to nullify the law. | ||
| Any OSHA officer that wants to shut a business down in this country, in one of the states, must be arrested as a trespasser and prosecuted under state law. | ||
| When you say you have FDA and CDC, and I know MSNBC pulled a clip of you, I think it was Alex Wagner, and they're saying that you represent the kind of know-nothings of the Republican Party that don't believe in the science, don't believe in the data, don't believe in the evidence. | ||
| We've got 30 seconds, and I'm going to hold you over to the next segment. | ||
| But what say you to that? | ||
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Well, we have to be experts on the science. | |
| Republicans need to be updated on the science. | ||
| And, of course, the science does show that all of these interventions, whether it be masks, vaccines, everything, have not had the results that the so-called experts have said they have. | ||
| You look at Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries, it's not having the effect that people think it does. | ||
| And masks have been even more harmful, if you ask me. | ||
| So you've got to understand the science, but push back on the methods. | ||
| Okay, a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to come back with Captain Sabatini in the War Room. | ||
| Also have an in-memoriam for Angela Cordovilla. | ||
| Next. | ||
| Okay, welcome back to the War Room. | ||
| We got Captain Sabatini here. | ||
| Captain, how can people follow you? | ||
| If they want to get to know you better, you got a website, social media, all that? | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| So the website is SabatiniForCongress.com. | ||
| Definitely check that out. | ||
| And then on social media, you know, I always lead with Getter. | ||
| Follow me on Getter. | ||
| I'm on there every day, along with Telegram, Facebook, LinkedIn, everything else. | ||
| It's just Anthony Sabatini. | ||
| I'll be the only one to pop up first. | ||
| I think it's great that more vets, more guys are just coming off active duty, are engaged. | ||
| And you've taken an oath of the Constitution once. | ||
| You understand that lasts forever. | ||
| You're back to save your country. | ||
| I think it's incredible. | ||
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Thanks, Steve. | |
| I want to bring in Brian Kennedy. | ||
| Angelo Cordovella tragically died, I think, yesterday. | ||
| Brian, you knew him. | ||
| You also knew him, Anthony? | ||
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He was one of the most respected people at Claremont. | |
| He was supposed to teach our course. | ||
| He didn't get to come in because he actually got sick right before, but we read all of his writings and he wrote a series of emails to the students who were involved in the course and me and Terry were both there for that. | ||
| Look, this is a towering intellect, particularly the MAGA movement. | ||
| He wrote a book called The Ruling Class that is one of the definitive books out there. | ||
| I want to bring in Brian Kennedy now, who is at Claremont and running the Claremont Institute and also the Claremont Review of Books. | ||
| Tell us about him. | ||
| He was absolutely a giant. | ||
| Rush Limbaugh loved him. | ||
| I mean, we've lost a towering intellect way too soon. | ||
| Brian, tell us about him. | ||
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Well, it's pretty rare, Steve, when you can recommend to people somebody with This kind of an intellect who was so powerful. | |
| He was, I think, the greatest strategic thinker that America has ever had. | ||
| He wrote about the growth of the CIA back in the 70s and 80s and how it needed to be broken up because he saw the dangers the intelligence community could pose to the country. | ||
| He saw the growth of the ruling class, the way we have today. | ||
| and it's turned into practically an oligarchy. | ||
| In fact, Angelo called it an oligarchy today. | ||
| And he saw that the ruling class thought of itself as separate from the American people. | ||
| And so you have the ruling class and you have the country class. | ||
| And Angelo really did see that there was something out there among the American people that was gonna be required to defend the country. | ||
| And look, and here's what's important. | ||
| He was the first conservative, particularly as conservatives are going more libertarian, he was the first towering intellect on the conservative movement to call them oligarchs. | ||
| When he came out with the book World in Class, I mean, there are a lot of conservatives. | ||
| That did not like this. | ||
| And if you think of the irony today, they're over there voting on this continual resolution and the debt ceiling that will bear, it will make our children debt slaves forever. | ||
| This is what Cordovale warned about. | ||
| He warned about this decades ago. | ||
| Brian Kennedy. | ||
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He also warned about the, the forever wars. | |
| He wrote for the Claremont Review of Books, the definitive piece about September 11th, what had happened. | ||
| And the mistakes we were going to make. | ||
| He wrote this in the months after September 11th, and he warned that if we simply continued down this path of trying to engage in nation building the way we were even in the early days after September 11th, that we would be doing this forever and that would undermine the American regime. | ||
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And over at Claremont.org, you have some of the finest writings. | |
| On strategic issues that he produced. | ||
| He also wrote for the American mind and he wrote for American greatness. | ||
| And he really was a prolific author. | ||
| He was 78 years old. | ||
| He was a Naval officer. | ||
| I know you'd certainly appreciate that. | ||
| He taught at Boston University. | ||
| He was a staffer on the Senate Intelligence Committee with Malcolm Wallop back in the eighties. | ||
| He really was a one of a kind. | ||
| A very tough guy when it came to how Americans thought about what their national interest was. | ||
| Everything he believed should be for the good of the American people. | ||
| He just finished a book called Putting America First. | ||
| It's going to be about John Quincy Adams. | ||
| He was writing up until the day he died. | ||
| I couldn't recommend to the audience of The War Room someone more strongly for them to read. | ||
| Read his essays, read his books. | ||
| You will learn more about what it's going to take to defend this country from reading Angelo Cotevilla than nearly anyone out there on the scene today. | ||
| Here's the other thing, too, because Claremont is considered the, you know, the review of books is considered the premier intellectual, I think, institution on the right. | ||
| But he would help out American greatness. | ||
| He would help out American Mind. | ||
| He was always there to say, we need other institutions. | ||
| We need to build this movement. | ||
| He was a guy that reached out. | ||
| Tell us real quick about being a Lincoln Fellow. | ||
| What is that program? | ||
| He volunteered for that. | ||
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Unbelievable. | |
| One of the most important experiences in my short life. | ||
| It's a nine-day fellowship of mid-career professionals who want to learn about what to do next in our country. | ||
| Where should we go next? | ||
| Thinking about the question of, you know, we're in a conundrum right now, and what's the creative thinking that's going to bring the conservative movement, you know, to a better place? | ||
| Whether that means going back to the original principles of our founding, And of course, applying the lessons of the founding to this very unusual predicament that we're in now, and it's one of the only groups that's actually thinking and coming up with solutions. | ||
| By the way, Andrew Breitbart, when it changed his life, he was the first that really gave him a chance to think about these things, become a lot of these documents he was not familiar with. | ||
| Raheem Kassam, Terry Schilling, so many people, and Angelo was part of that. | ||
| Brian, tell us something about him personally. | ||
| Tell us about his person. | ||
| We've got a couple of minutes here. | ||
| People, and I want everything across all our platforms to get his writings up and get access to particularly the Claremont Review of Books, his writings there. | ||
| And everybody should get, if you get a chance, a copy of The Ruling Class. | ||
| It's still profound today. | ||
| Brian, what was he like? | ||
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Well, he was, uh, even though he was a college professor, he had a home in Wyoming. | |
| He was a college professor at Boston University, but had a, a home in Wyoming and he'd sit on his front porch and shoot his rifle at tin cans sitting on the post. | ||
| And he was a believer in American freedom and thought that was a great expression of that. | ||
| He, uh, when we would speak, he would often say how America was losing its freedom and how dangerous that was. | ||
| In later years, he bought a winery up in Northern California and started to become a winemaker. | ||
| And so he was a guy who wrote about strategic issues. | ||
| He grew wine. | ||
| He translated Machiavelli from Italian into English. | ||
| He was really, as I say, a one of a kind. | ||
| He was very generous with his time, even though he was a tough guy. | ||
| Intellectually, he was a very sweet human being. | ||
| He had a lovely family. | ||
| Um, five kids, a lovely wife who he doted over. | ||
| And he is an example of the kind of people who come to this country who want to make it better. | ||
| He, uh, he came here when he was 12 years old. | ||
| His father had died in Italy and the rest of the family moved to the United States. | ||
| And he really did spend the rest of his life defending this country, both intellectually and as a Naval officer. | ||
| A renaissance man and someone MAGA should be proud of. | ||
| And they say MAGA doesn't have any big intellects. | ||
| He was one. | ||
| Brian, real quickly, what's your social media? | ||
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Brian T. Kennedy on Getter. | |
| Thank you very much, sir. | ||
| Captain Sabatini, thank you very much. | ||
| Okay, tomorrow it's going to be explosive. | ||
| We're going to be back down at the border and we're going to bring you updates on this. | ||
| We've boxed them into a corner right now, okay? | ||
| They're at each other's throats like we knew they would be on the continued resolution of the debt ceiling as we attempt to make sure they don't make your children debt slaves. | ||
| First stop for our money is Beijing. | ||
| Let's get the five trillion back, then we'll talk about raising the debt ceiling. |
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