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Episode 1,178 – The Buck Stops HereEpisode 1,178 – The Buck Stops Here
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Paris has now killed more than 100 people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
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jake tapper
The president stated that he stands squarely behind the decision he made to withdraw all US forces from Afghanistan, even though he has, in fact, been forced to send roughly 6,000 back in.
The president saying, in fact, that if anything, the events of the last few days, this foreign policy and humanitarian disaster, proves to him that he made the right decision, given the fleeing of Afghan politicians from the country and the collapse of the Afghan military.
The president said that the buck stopped with him.
But in fact, the speech was full of finger pointing and blame, especially for the Afghans, even saying that while the U.S.
would be working to rescue those Americans and U.S.
allies who needed to be saved.
He claims part of the reason why the U.S.
did not save sooner Afghan allies, the translators and others who work with the U.S.
military, who fear being slaughtered by the Taliban, they didn't act sooner, the president said, because some Afghans, he claimed, did not want to leave earlier because they were hopeful about a new Afghan government.
Mr. Biden also said that the Afghan government discouraged the U.S.
from ordering a mass exodus for fear of triggering a crisis of confidence, the president said.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome.
You're in the War Room.
It is Monday, the 16th of August, Year of Our Lord 2021.
We're live here.
It just had a Address to the Nation by Joe Biden at the White House.
And I think they're telling us he's already on his way back to Camp David.
We're honored to be joined.
We had planned this in advance because we said this is the day if you remember for months and months and months that this is the day the firestorm starts because school's back in with the mask and the vaccines and so we brought we think the top expert in the world on the vaccine passports and what's happened Dr. Naomi Wolf and she's so so gracious to come to D.C.
and to be with us in the war room today.
Of course Overcome by events, because now we have a crisis.
Of course, Dr. Wolf has been one of the great voices about women in the Middle East, women throughout the world, and man, this is a tragedy.
We want to start with Jake Tapper.
I'm bringing in Boris Epstein, who knows Jake.
You know, Jake wrote a book called The Outpost, actually an excellent book, and I know we've got a lot of problems with Jake on many, many occasions.
He's not a Trump fan, but he wrote a great book.
He was in-country.
With an army, an army unit.
I think it's Sean Parnell, someone associated with the deployment.
Parnell had the longest deployment of any infantry unit over there.
It's an incredible book, but you know, Jake Tapper, like many people, has skin in the game on this.
He knows, he knows veterans, he knows people, and you can tell he is outraged.
And CNN, I want to be specific.
Today, in the great team of Rob Sig and Howard Diamond, we made a decision today.
We had footage this morning to show you that, like, for instance, the plane's taken off and the body's fallen out, and it was determined that it was not right for television.
We're going to review it.
CNN's playing it all afternoon.
I mean, CNN's playing some really horrific footage.
CNN's kind of flipped on Biden.
And that speech, I have to say, is the most disingenuous speech.
As head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he supported this for decades.
He was the neocon candidate first in 2008, more than Hillary Clinton when he got blown out by Obama.
Obama was the populist, was the anti-war populist.
In the administration, actually he's the guy that argued against taking out Osama Bin Laden.
It was Obama that made the decision to go do it.
He's been wrong on every decision and now he made this big speech today talking about getting out of Afghanistan.
The debate is not about getting out of Afghanistan.
We've made a decision as a nation.
President Trump made it and we fought the generals.
Peter Bergen's book, Trump and his generals, the first third of the book is Steve Bannon and others in the Situation Room hammering the generals about the misinformation they've given Donald Trump about guess what?
The Afghan security forces and the Afghan army.
This has been a fight for a while.
It has nothing to do with any of that.
That's a decision that's been made.
This is about an incompetent, and I think criminally incompetent, execution that has now put I think hundreds of thousands of people in Afghanistan, the region, in jeopardy for their lives, not just in Kabul, throughout the entire country.
Boris Epstein, let me start with you.
You're a communications guy.
First off, let's just take the speech.
First off, why do you address the nation on something this grave at 3.45 in the afternoon?
Why don't you do it from the Oval Office?
Why don't you do it?
I know you've got the sundowner effect.
And I don't want to be snarky, but why would you address the nation at 3.45 in the afternoon?
It's lunchtime in L.A.
on the West Coast.
boris epshteyn
It makes no sense.
Steve, honored to be back with you.
We talked about this this morning, talked about the disaster the White House is having with the photo from yesterday, the day before, the clocks being wrong, obviously a photoshopped picture from before.
Announced while I had the honor of being all with you this morning this speech by Joe Biden at 345 he came out of four o'clock Eastern right after the markets closed again This is this is a speech that should have been in primetime for any other president It would be primetime because this is such an epic message now Maybe they're trying to hide it but the again outcomes raised are the most you know the most direct and Yeah.
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Yep.
boris epshteyn
The obvious reason is that Joe Biden just isn't awake enough in primetime to give a speech like this.
And you saw it during the speech.
He started out with his blame game, the gaslighting, totally pathetic.
But he kind of had a little bit of his faculties with him.
But then right about, gosh, a third into it, maybe, he completely fell apart, leaned on the podium, couldn't pronounce his words.
It was a disaster in style, it was a disaster in substance, and he's getting ripped apart on CNN.
Chris Eliza earlier today put out an article saying, Joe Biden's crisis of competence.
This is Chris Solis, okay?
This guy could do anything.
He would have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars if he had them.
I don't know these journalists, you know.
But if he had it for Joe Biden to be president, and they're coming after him so hard, you know why?
Because he's embarrassing them.
They know that they tried everything they could to get this guy in the White House, and it's still not legitimate, okay?
But he is theirs.
They know it.
steve bannon
Hang on a second, I'm going to bring in, but I've got to say, trending on Twitter during the speech, President Kamala Harris, 25th Amendment, and Sleepy Joe.
I mean, people are not buying this.
And the people on the left, this is about, it's not about the decision to withdraw.
He tried to play, like, to a low-information crowd this big, two-thirds of the speech is about this big decision he made.
The nation has come together and said, look, the nation-building thing which Joe Biden supported on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, right?
Supported for decades.
Remember, Obama, let's not lose it, but Obama was the anti-war populist.
That's why he blew out Joe Biden first and Hillary Clinton second.
People wanted a change.
That was hope and change.
Part of the change was these wars in the Middle East.
That the Cheneys, and the Bushes, and the Bidens got wrong.
Okay?
Dead wrong.
That was the change that was supposed to happen.
And even President Obama.
Remember, President Obama eventually got talking to others about the surge.
I was at West Point.
My daughter was there.
I was up at West Point the night he gave the speech.
He went to West Point to make the speech.
The surge was at 10,000 more combat troops in there.
Biden's got history of this whole thing, and now he makes a big thing.
He's the guy... We understand we're getting out of Afghanistan.
It's not about that.
It's about how you leave conditions-based.
You just can't... The United States can't cut and run this.
It's so much worse in Vietnam.
Vietnam was two years after the peace treaty, when the NVA and the Viet Cong had infiltrated into all the government.
We cut and ran there and 25 million people died.
Look at the killing fields.
Look at Pol Pot.
That's because we ran.
Okay?
And this is another one.
Look at every female journalist.
Look at every female member of an NGO.
Look at every Christian over there.
Any commander of the workforce.
Anybody in the workforce as an interpreter or in the government.
We cut and ran.
This is what he is.
You know what you got?
You got people hanging on to C4s.
Hanging on and then falling thousands of feet.
It's like 9-11.
It's like in flight.
It's like jumping off the building in 9-11.
This is a humiliation.
boris epshteyn
Jake Tapper pointed that out.
Jake Tapper said this is a bookend.
This is a thing.
again, putting this squarely in Joe Biden's...
Can we talk about for a second?
This guy is talking about exactly...
Boom!
Can we talk for a second?
Joe Biden is talking about pulling troops out.
He has now sent 7,000 troops back in.
steve bannon
This is the thing.
boris epshteyn
This is a horrible scheme.
steve bannon
7,000 troops back in.
Tapper made that...
Which is triple the amount of troops pulled out.
We've got every brigade in the 82nd, the 101st, the special operators, the Navy SEALs, the Green Berets.
They're all ready to go and send more in.
And they're going to have to send more in.
boris epshteyn
They're going to have to do it.
steve bannon
And wait until they start taking hostages.
Because they're going to take hostages.
Somebody said, hey, if 95% of the Taliban is with the program, they want to stand up and be a real government, listen, 5%, it's medieval.
This is their fight against modernity.
And I'm giving you a good, 5% is enough to cause havoc.
We got to get to the documents.
What briefing papers did he have?
What intelligence did he have?
got control of the airport. No, you don't have control of the airport. They have the howitzers. We turned over Bagram Air, but we just flipped the keys to them. We didn't turn it over to the Afghan National Forces. We got to get to the documents. What briefing papers did he have? What intelligence did he have? The intelligence service said, we called this. We told him. Now you got guys like Rick Scott.
Rick Scott's no fire breather.
He's no war room guy beating his head on the wall.
He's saying, hey, he's either got to resign or be impeached.
You're having voices out there that are not the super partisans saying it's got to happen.
Dr. Wolf, you know about this region and you particularly know that one of the key issues is the issues of women's rights and women being treated by something else than a beast of burden.
And now we're back to a medieval, these guys are the worst guys in the world, and I'm not sitting, I'm not a neoconcept, we've got to be everywhere.
But there's ways you do things and ways you don't do things.
What signal is this sending to the world, Dr. Wolf?
naomi wolf
Well, I mean, more than kind of who are the Taliban is the question of what happens to women and girls in an absence of law and order.
And so in every situation like this, it's women and girls who are going to pay the price in the most harsh way.
than add religious fundamentalism, right? And I am by no means critical of Islam, but the Taliban has made it very clear that some of their main beliefs have to do with what we would consider in the West, the absolute subjugation of women and many Afghan women leaders whom I've spoken with, you know, have been very clear that they were a modern society, they had women's rights. And then, you know, this was a catastrophic kind of regression.
Now you can expect, I mean, if this is like other kinds of vacuums of law and order, and the NGOs are not empowered, and the United States has vanished without a transition, without any kind of proper formalities, you can expect that there will be mass rapes.
You can expect that there will be trafficking.
You can expect that there will be violent assaults on women.
You can expect that there will be revenge assaults, right?
Ideological revenge assaults for women who were interpreters, as you rightly said, women who were journalists, women who did work with the United States.
They're not just gonna be What about the teachers?
What about the professors?
What about the women who even learn to read and write?
steve bannon
One of the most fundamental points we made about our 20 years there, right?
And I was the one who said, hey, we got to withdraw from it.
But one of the key points we made is education of literacy of young women.
What about the teachers?
What about the professors?
What about the women who even learn to read and write?
What's going to happen to them?
naomi wolf
I mean, you know, what's going to happen to them is what's happened in many countries.
And it's happened to them before, as one woman was quoted, you know, I'm now I have to give up everything I've worked for.
So there's got but I mean, that's just foregone conclusion.
Having said that, you can't police the role of women around the world with military force.
But you can work with NGOs work with women leaders who know what Afghan women and girls need on the ground.
Plenty of them, right?
Eloquent, articulate women leaders to create an orderly transition so that, you know, women and girls are not completely sitting ducks to be victimized.
I mean, what it means to go through a checkpoint where there's basically a militia and you're a mom or you're with a daughter or you're a teenage girl and you're just trying to get home.
I mean, it's every situation like this is catastrophic.
But this is particularly ironic, because the reason we were sold this war 20 years ago was, you know, they trotted out the status of women and girls, and now women and girls are being completely abandoned by the United States.
steve bannon
Okay, hold on, we're going to take a short commercial break.
I've got to tell you, Calissa Ward, hang on for a second.
You stay over.
Calissa Ward is CNN.
They show her thing, and then she's got the burka on to go into the streets to do her reporting.
She comes up to the Taliban at a checkpoint, just like I said, and they tell her, get against the wall.
Move out of the way, and you don't have gloves on.
She's totally got the whole, you know, she doesn't have the face covering, but she's got everything else, right?
And they tell her, get against the wall.
You don't have gloves.
You could tell she was nervous, right?
Because they're sitting there, all of them got the AK-47s.
Okay, short commercial break.
We'll return when we get to vaccines, vaccine passports.
Dr. Naomi Wolf has been kind enough to be our guest on the day the firestorm starts because kids are going back to school.
I'm gonna hang, Boris is gonna hang over a second, we're gonna talk a little bit more about this catastrophe, the humiliation of not just the United States, this is just not who we are, this is not how things are supposed to be done.
We'll be back in a moment in the War Room.
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They're just chanting death to America, but they seem friendly at the same time.
steve bannon
Closer.
She's a pretty good correspondent.
I don't know if that felt that friendly.
God bless her.
She's got more courage than I've got.
You're in the War Room.
It is Monday, the 16th of August, the day the firestorm starts.
We're going back to school.
Dr. Naomi Warford agreed to join us last week.
Breaking news, though, is the President had a huge speech here momentarily.
A few minutes ago, Boris, tell us what we got in this.
I don't want to get too much into the politics of it.
I do know if you look at the consumer confidence, the biggest drop into a 20 years implosion.
People understand if you look at the schools, if you look at CCP virus, COVID-19, the mask.
The confusion coming out of FDA, CDC, the invasion of the southern border.
It looks like, you look at the anarchy and the crime and the shooting of, particularly among young African-American kids who are just getting gunned down in Chicago every weekend and in New York.
It feels like the country is spinning out of control.
And now in the world stage, it is, I think the most humiliating thing I've ever seen for the United States.
It's far worse than Vietnam.
boris epshteyn
We're always signal, not noise here, right?
So what's coming next out of this?
The biggest story today is not the horrible pictures in Afghanistan.
It's not.
The biggest story is that the Biden administration is planning to bring 30,000 Afghani refugees to America, not to our bases around the world, not to the UAE, Not to Qatar, not to Albania, but to America.
And there's, trust you me, there's zero way to actually separate the good guys from the bad guys.
They're going to tell you that they did all kinds of checks.
This is going to be the same thing as our southern border.
It's going to be, let's bring these folks here and release them into our country, and that is what's going to drive this whole issue.
steve bannon
But here's the key word.
boris epshteyn
One more, ten more seconds.
The key word is terrorism.
Terrorism.
A story today said that THS has no idea what's coming through our borders.
steve bannon
But the key word is allies.
Where's Qatar?
Where's UAE?
Where's the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?
Where's Iraq?
We've got bases all over the place.
Why don't they send them out of the region?
Keep folks in there right now.
Turkey.
Even go to Albania if you have to.
We've got plenty of places in the region.
Egypt.
Let's just take a deep breath, relocate people for right now, and figure this thing out.
Boris, what's your Getter account?
How do people follow you?
boris epshteyn
I'm at boriscp on Getter.
There's been a lot of information.
Staying very hot.
Staying up to date.
At boriscp on Getter.
Boriscp on Twitter.
And even on a solemn, tough day, coming in hot on the ground, Boris underscore Epstein.
Stay strong.
God bless.
And be careful.
steve bannon
Thank you very much, Boris.
Dr. Wolf, you're here today.
Today's the firestorm starts with going back to school.
Just give us your assessment right now.
We just had Rahim is up in New York City protesting outside of de Blasio's place, Gracie Mansion yesterday, the city in New York.
You called this months ago.
You have to have a vaccine card to get into a restaurant or to a gym.
What is going on here?
naomi wolf
I mean, I hate to say it again, but look at all the things that are converging on our country, right?
There's a massive effort to create a discrimination system between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.
Parents are up in arms.
Kids, on no basis of science, are being told they have to be masked in school, even while you rightly pointed out that a Brown University study shows that that's dropped their IQ average of 21 points, which is... Why is that not front page?
steve bannon
Front page news!
We started Saturday Show with Liz Shor of that.
The audience blew up because nobody knew the story.
The story's like a New York person... I hadn't heard it.
naomi wolf
I wouldn't have heard it if I hadn't listened to you.
steve bannon
It's gigantic.
How's the IQ of our babies?
dropped 21% and nobody's talking about it.
naomi wolf
It's massive and it's lasting.
It's going to be lasting.
It's like common sense, right?
Kids learn from looking at faces, listening to syllables.
You've talked about people pouring into the border.
This thing about Afghanis not being settled in other reasonable places, but coming to the United States.
I think we have to face what many thoughtful people I'm in contact with are raising, which is we are under attack and it's not a shooting war.
Some of the things that are happening at the highest levels don't make sense in terms of politics, right?
Normal politics, you wouldn't see the president sitting alone, as you've pointed out.
You know, you'd have all of his advisors around him.
They'd be gazing at him adoringly.
That's a classic.
You wouldn't have Jen Psaki on vacation.
I was a White House spouse.
If there's something like this happening, you are on the job.
You're not on vacation.
There's no such thing.
steve bannon
You're not up at Rehoboth Beach with the kids digging sandcastles.
naomi wolf
No such thing, right?
So many things are happening that really don't make sense, saying that Americans are not being given priority to be evacuated.
And it's just not politics as usual.
And when it's not politics as usual, I really worry.
You know, it does seem like our country is being driven to catastrophe.
steve bannon
I want to go back in time.
You said this now 90 days ago.
When it first came up with the vaccine passport, you said, hey, look, let me tell you where this is going.
This is going to a place where they're going to use this because it got tied together, the finances, the banks, but...
You said they're going to form a leper colony.
The vaccinated versus the unvaccinated.
And they're going to focus on the schools and they're going to focus on the kids.
Walk us through those last 90 days.
We're here.
naomi wolf
Right.
steve bannon
And that's where they've kind of driven this, correct?
naomi wolf
Yeah, but this is just the beginning if we don't peacefully rise up and stop it.
Because anyone who reads history knows what happens next.
I hate to say it, but I have predicted it based on reading history every step of the way.
So what happens next is there's going to be chaos in the United States.
When you say chaos, let's talk about that.
steve bannon
The schools are coming back.
There's many mothers who have had the vaccine, who hate the sound of Trump's name, who are saying, I don't want to do this.
There's not enough science.
Do you believe, as you sit there, there's enough evidence to talk about the kid should be masked or the kid should be vaccinated as you see it?
Because you spend 24 hours a day on this.
naomi wolf
Yeah, I'm not a medical doctor.
I am a stepmom and a mom.
And kids, you know, according to Dr. Martin Kulldorff at Harvard, some of the most distinguished epidemiologists the data are in, kids are not at serious risk from COVID.
And so, but they are at serious risk of cognitive deficits from being masked.
They're not at serious risk from COVID, but they are at, there are side effects from these vaccinations.
So I, as a mother, would not do it.
I, as a person, would not recommend it.
These are personal decisions.
But much more serious is the big picture, which is the state is telling us how our children can breathe.
The state is telling us what kind of untested product has to go into our children's bodies for them to not be ostracized by their peers, set aside, marginalized.
Just like Jim Crow laws, just like the regulations that followed Jews in France during the Vichy occupation.
I mean, I've been going back and reading, you know, histories of what happened to Jews in the 200 years up till 1933.
What happened to Jews in Vichy France?
And it was these kinds of regulations set you aside, stand in line, check in with The magistrate twice a week.
Get, you know, get separated constantly.
Close the borders.
Scrutinize you.
You don't get your mail.
And, you know, we're creating that.
I can't have dinner with my kids in New York City, you know?
steve bannon
Talk to us about what de Blasio has done in New York City, because of both government and corporations.
You call and say, so the corporation will be the delivery mechanism.
What has now gone down, starting today, in New York City?
naomi wolf
I mean, it's, I can't believe I'm, we're here, but it was so predictable.
So Bill de Blasio, based on, according to one of the most brilliant lawyers I know, Janine Yunus of the NCLA, she pointed out that it's based on no law.
He made an edict that you can't go into a restaurant or a gym or a number of indoor spaces if you can't show the Excelsior Pass, which is just what I warned everyone about, New York State's Vaccine passport.
And so literally, I'm getting texts from friends saying, I can't go to McDonald's.
People I know who live in Harlem can't buy groceries.
You know, their world has shrunk dramatically.
This has happened in Southern California as well.
And indeed, because it's totally illegal for the federal government to do this, as Biden promised, he put pressure on his flunkies down the line.
And I say this as a lifelong Democrat, And indeed, businesses have to do the dirty work and they don't want to.
They don't want to be the ones asking for people's papers at the door like minor Nazi officials.
But that's the role they're put in and they're scared because there's more blowback.
Your restaurant can get closed.
Your business can get closed if you don't do it.
Whereas if you refuse to discriminate, they will close you down.
The Board of Health will close you down.
And Janine Yun has pointed out, how can you have an edict based on no law?
How can you have enforcement based on no law?
There is not a law that brought this about.
It's a declaration.
And so much of what's wrong in this pandemic or this post-pandemic has been people deciding they have the power to make edicts and declarations and regulations that are not legislatively based.
steve bannon
What is it about that people that used to be such fierce fighters, we've got about a minute and a half here, fierce fighters for the First Amendment and for freedom of expression, seem to be like on MSNBC, they just put out these assertions and they never back it up.
What has happened to the mindset of that?
Well, many of those are your friends, I'm saying.
naomi wolf
No, they're my friends.
I mean, a vast amount of money has gone to corrupt the media.
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has poured millions and the Columbia Journalism Review has documented this into big legacy media for, you know, vaccine, overcoming vaccine hesitancy, COVID education.
So they know what side their bread is buttered on.
And a bunch of the, you know, overcoming vaccine hesitancy money In the last stimulus bill has gone to news outlets, community organizations, religious leaders.
So there's this massive corruption of civil society brought about by pumping money into messaging that supports calling people who don't want to get vaccinated murderers or to saying that if they don't vaccinate their children, they're You know, being irresponsible, we know science supports that people who are unvaccinated transmit more than people who are vaccinated.
And even so, you know, as you said, First Amendment, personal choice, medical autonomy, the Americans with Disability Act, the Equality Act, this violates so many laws.
And there are brave lawyers across the country who are fighting But the mass of my people, I'm sorry to say I'm shamed and embarrassed to say they know that we're in a 1933 moment where they will not be able to pay their mortgage if they don't parrot the narrative and go along with it.
And so they they might whisper that This is too much, or they're not okay with it, but they are not saying it out loud, and I wish that they would read history because they are no safer going along with it than they are standing up for it, against it.
steve bannon
Short commercial break.
We'll return with Dr. Naomi Wolf.
We're also going to go to France to the great investigative reporter there, Deborah Blake, when we return in The War Room.
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steve bannon
Okay, Monday, the 16th of August, Year of the Lord 2021.
I want to thank, by the way, our distribution partners, Rural America's Voice.
I want to thank John Frederick's Radio Network, particularly G-News and GTV for simulcasting in Mandarin and now in Japanese throughout the world.
I want to thank all of our international viewers from Brazil to France to the United Kingdom and particularly Australia.
We've got Dr. Naomi Wolf who agreed to join us as the firestorm starts in the United States.
We're back to school and the mothers of the United States are standing up for this.
You mentioned something I want to drill down on.
The psychological damage of being othered.
Because they're going to sit there and go, if you got a vaccine, you can come back to school and we can all skip around and go to the playground, do everything you want.
But if you don't have a vaccine, I need a mask, I need you in the corner, in the leper colony, right?
And I need you to be tested a couple times a week.
Walk us through the science behind the psychological damage that will do to these kids that they'll never be able to unwind.
naomi wolf
They'll never ever be able to forget what's being done to them.
It'll scar them forever.
And the year ahead is going to be even worse in some ways than the last year.
Like, there's so many mental health consequences that doctors and psychiatrists are seeing of distance learning.
We've talked about that.
You know, child suicidality, which is a phrase I've never heard before this year, is off the charts.
But what's happening in schools is in a way even worse what's ahead because Teenagers who can have the vaccine, which is crazy because they can't consent legally, they are being separated in some schools if they're not vaccinated from their peers, right?
And forced to wear masks and forced to distance.
But the vaccinated teenagers can hang out together, can flirt, can socialize, can touch each other.
Can date presumably and so this is creating a kind of stigmatized group.
I mean I've heard parents of little kids say I don't want to get a medical exemption for my child.
to not wear a mask because then he'll be ostracized by the other children. And this isn't crazy.
Moms for Liberty, Tiffany Justice, she went to stand up for her child in middle school in Florida, and her child was made to sit outside of the circle. And then the mom was shadowed by a security guard and, you know, attacked in a meeting later, you know, sort of school-wide meeting.
So advocates for kids are really getting terrible blowback.
And we know again, from history, we know from our own history of Jim Crow laws, what it does to children.
To be told, you're in a separate group, you're less.
Brown versus Board of Education was decided because of that kind of damage to kids, of separating them on the basis of their biological, you know, category imposed on them from the outside.
This is literally not a different kind of harm.
And, you know, again, I mean, my former father-in-law was a child in Berlin in the 30s.
He never forgot being six and being separated out, treated differently.
He never forgot how little kids were treated.
This will stay with him forever.
steve bannon
The Surgeon General came out two weeks ago and said the number one problem we have now is not the COVID.
It is a pandemic of misinformation.
And they had this report done by this hate group to stop digital hate.
And Robert F. Kennedy, Dr. McCall was there, Dr. Robert F. Kennedy, we had a show called The Dirty Dozen.
I think you actually helped kick us off.
We went through, we had I think six of the people on there to talk about it.
Then we had Dr. Malone on, and people loved it, and Dr. Malone, he's not an anti-vaxxer, he's dedicated his life to vaccines.
He's dedicated his life to vaccines and invented the underlying technology for it, mRNA.
The Atlantic takes that interview and does a whole almost like cover story on it about how he's a font of misinformation, and you're one of the people that's saying the problem in this country I mean, I find it terrifying.
virus. The problem in this country is not COVID. The bigger problem is misinformation that's put out by people who should know better, who are trying to profit off this. And you have the Surgeon General saying that. Your views, observations, analysis of that?
naomi wolf
I mean, I find it terrifying. I heard that show. And as someone who's in touch with and supports a big movement that is going to happen when kids go back to school of moms and dads showing up and defunding schools that discriminate against kids based on vaccines and masks, You know, that now puts us in a category of being threats to national security.
That is very dangerous.
steve bannon
NBC had it up over the weekend.
The DHS said they listed three categories of threats coming up on the 20th anniversary of 9-11.
The radical jihad and that type of terrorist was number three.
The first was COVID misinformation.
Number two was misinformation about November 3rd, about the election.
Those are the first two, right?
So they're already, and they're saying, DHS is saying, this is a problem.
We don't have any specifics.
We don't have a specific problem.
What do you think of that when you're rated higher, you're ranked higher than even the November 3rd insurrectionist?
naomi wolf
Yeah, I mean, as you said, it's the moms of America who are now the number one, you know, public enemy number one, if they show up at the schools and say, take the mask off my child, do not force my child to be marginalized or isolated, don't medically coerce my child, I'm the one who makes decisions for my child, then they're, you know, DHS national security threats.
We know what happens when you're on a list like that, right?
I criticized it during the Bush administration, during the Obama administration.
When you're on a list like that, it chills action.
It chills dissent.
Environmentalists have been targeted like that.
And so now the moms of America who are getting ready, and I think it's scaring them in this administration, To peacefully show up in the dads of America, and I will show up if I'm allowed to, right?
steve bannon
Talk about this movement.
What's going to happen?
It's kind of direct action, but it's peaceful direct action.
naomi wolf
I'm very excited about it, but obviously it's, you know, now there's big backlash.
Children's Health Defense partner organizations are getting moms and dads together to show up the first 10 days of school because that's when schools are funded and to kind of take their kids' place.
steve bannon
It's called students...
What do you mean by that's funded?
naomi wolf
It's called students sit out, they do a head count.
And so that gets the funding for the year ahead, right?
So this goes right, and this is good activism to go to the economic pressure point.
So when the parents show up and say, do not ostracize, harm, medically coerce my child, I'm here, my body is here, my kid's sitting at home for the first 10 days, it puts pressure on the school to not mistreat the children this way.
I think it's very interesting that Governor DeSantis said that he would fine schools that defied his executive order saying it's up to parents whether kids wear masks, right?
And then schools said, we're going to ignore him.
And then to counter what DeSantis did...
The federal government, the Biden administration, said we're going to give money to schools who override DeSantis' statement that parents get to decide if their kids are masked.
So Moms of America, Dads of America, listen to this.
The president is saying you do not get to decide if your child wears a mask eight hours a day when the data are in that it lowers their cognitive effectiveness and their language skills.
You don't get to decide as a parent The President of the United States is going to pay schools to harm your child.
It is outrageous and I am a lifelong Democrat.
It is unacceptable.
It's terrifying and it's equally even more terrifying that the moms who are up in arms about this are now being singled out by Biden's DHS as national security threats.
It's so un-American.
It's so wrong.
It's so evil.
It's so anti-family and it has to stop.
steve bannon
I want to go now to Deborah Blake in France, who was, Dr. Wolfe was one of the introducers, our independent journalist.
Here's what's stunning to me.
The people in France, the patrons in France, are every week in the streets.
Right now, you haven't seen any, I mean, I know the moms are getting organized, but you really haven't seen mass protests like you have in France.
Deborah Blake, what happened again, I think it was this Saturday, what happened in France, and how, is this thing picking up momentum?
And is Macron and the globalists, are they starting to listen to the people in France?
Walk us through what's happening.
unidentified
Thanks, Steve.
Yeah, it was another huge turnout this weekend on Saturday.
And it's even more stunning because traditionally this is a, we call it the 15th of August weekend.
It's generally a big holiday weekend.
People go away on vacation.
They're not thinking about protesting or they're thinking about having fun at the beach.
But regardless, we had thousands and thousands, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people in the streets all across France.
Really, in every small town, villages, major cities, there were people everywhere, and everyone is just fed up with the, we're calling it here, the health pass.
And as of this morning, many of the shopping centers, we've got about 300 what you would call like shopping malls across France, and many of these malls have grocery stores, you know, supermarkets inside of them, or big mega supermarkets.
Many prefects took out an executive order to oblige people to show the health pass to get into the shopping centers and into markets, which is against the law.
Because if you read the law, it clearly says that you cannot restrict a person's access to what they call first, you know, primary necessities such as food.
So you've got now this sort of strong arming taking place at the prefect level, you know, the regional level.
And you've also got the grocery stores themselves.
I know that's sort of an old term.
I still say grocery store, but the supermarkets are also playing along and saying that you need the health pass to get in, which is in flagrant violation of what the law actually says.
So just as you were saying earlier, a lot of these things, we're getting the law through the television, but there is no law behind it.
There is no decree or an executive order.
There's just the propaganda that is really getting into people's minds.
And disrupt lives in so many ways.
steve bannon
Let's talk about that.
We've only got a few minutes, but I've got to talk to you about your friend.
Talk to your friend that had the cold and then had COVID and the panic that set in.
Walk us through this friend of yours, the situation there.
unidentified
You know, anybody that is in my immediate vicinity knows my position on these things, and I've shared my research with so many people, and this particular friend sent me a message saying he was feeling a little under the weather, and I told him, you know, just to rest up and drink fluids and vitamin C, etc., and he'd be fine.
And yesterday, he called panicked because he freaked and went and got a test, and his test was positive.
And now he's in the system.
The government has called him.
He's already feeling better.
He's fine.
You know, we used to say three days coming, three days with it and three days going when you get like a cold or a flu.
So he's already fine.
But because he went and got tested, instead of remembering he has the right to get a cold, he's now in the system and he's going to be tracked.
And what was interesting is They don't even tell you.
They didn't tell him that he can get documentation on paper.
You know, you can get that stupid QR code on a piece of paper.
You don't necessarily need the electronic application on your phone, which also serves to track you and to track your contacts.
And so now he's in the system.
And I said, well, you know, you're going to have to do your best to try to get the paper.
You know, uninstall, uninstall the app, but they're tricking people.
They're not even giving people all the information.
And I personally got a call from the government because the French government decided that it was okay to release the lists of people who had not yet received the jab so that they could get a phone call to encourage them.
And we had a letter, I just didn't send it quick enough, to say that that's illegal.
I hereby refuse that my data be given to any third party.
And I didn't send the letter, and I got the call, and I just hung up on the person.
I didn't even say hello.
So, it's insane.
steve bannon
Debra, we've got to bounce, but your footage, your independent journalism and investigative report is fantastic.
The War Room posse really thanks you very much.
Look forward to having you back later in the week.
Debra Blake from Paris.
I want to ask you a question for over the break, Dr. Wolf, because this is clearly a forcing function.
You see it in France, but the forcing function is to terrorize the mothers to make them make a, they got to be like Solomon.
They have to make a decision whether the kids are going to get vaccinated, right, or whether they're going to be othered.
And what is the trade-off?
And they're making this, they're going to force the American mothers to make this decision from now for the next three weeks, four weeks.
It is one of the most biggest inflection points about the American family.
It's one of the biggest pressures ever put on the American mother, the Chief Operating Officer of the American family.
Short commercial break.
Dr. Naomi Wolf will join us when we return in The War Room.
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The American mother is about to have Sophie's Choice, right?
This is a forcing function.
They forced, now they forced the American mother into a corner and they're going to make a decision about her children.
The teenagers first, but then the kids 6 to 12, once Moderna comes out with these things.
What's the choice that they're going to force the American mother to make?
naomi wolf
I mean, they're already forcing moms and dads to be not involved in I mean, I get desperate emails, and I'm not an anti-vaxxer, right?
I get desperate emails from moms and dads saying, you know, my child has a neurological disorder, my child has epilepsy, I don't want this to be done to them.
But there are vans going into schools and giving the shots to teenagers.
They don't need parental consent.
And that is a new thing.
You need parental consent to have a tattoo.
get your ears pierced, have an abortion, to take steroids and they're bypassing parents.
And I think this is bigger, right? Because it goes to saying, and it's so Marxist, right?
And so CCP, so Stalinist, saying your parents are not the ones who decide for you. The family unit is not sacred. The state decides what happens to your child's body.
So it's only going to get worse as the school year starts.
steve bannon
They're making a decision right now, forcing you to either make a decision to get the vaccine or they're going to be othered.
Either the psychological damage or the potential medical damage.
That's Sophie's choice.
That's where they're forcing the American mother back in her corner and they're going to make her make that decision.
naomi wolf
Yeah, I think that it's traumatic either way, because either way what our kids are learning is there's no safety, right?
They have to do dangerous things in order to be socially safe, or they have to consent to invasion of their bodies.
What do we always tell our kids?
Stranger danger.
You have the right to say no.
Respect your own boundaries.
And now we're telling them, you can't have friends and hang out with your friends and put an arm around a girlfriend unless you Accept this into your body.
steve bannon
You galvanize people around the country, including many people who are right-wingers like ourselves, Trump movement, to go to the states with your organization.
naomi wolf
Thank you.
steve bannon
What are you doing now?
Tell us about this movement.
How do people get access to you?
How do they follow it?
How do they get involved?
Every mother's going to want to know at least the information.
How do they do that?
naomi wolf
Yeah, so the students sit out is CHD, Children's Health Defense.
You should go to them.
Reach out to Stephanie Locricchio or Amy Volella.
And if you want to help us, we're doing the Five Freedoms, which includes Ending vaccine passports, standing up for kids, no mask mandates, no vaccine passports, and open schools now, and emergency law.
steve bannon
It's children's defense.
This is the Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
He was on the show, and I'm telling you, he blew people away.
naomi wolf
Yeah, he's a hero.
I was told my whole adult life, oh, he's so marginal, but he's a hero.
He's in the center standing up for Kids of all backgrounds.
steve bannon
So how do they get to your site?
naomi wolf
You're fighting the five freedoms still at the state level, but you're also partnering with the... I'm supporting what they're doing, I'm amplifying what they're doing, and I'm absolutely... I'm a stepmom!
I'm gonna be there!
steve bannon
Do you recommend every mother be part of this?
naomi wolf
Every mother, every father, like I can't, I try not to tell people what to do, but the state is trying to put something that has not had trials completed into your child or other them and harm them forever.
steve bannon
They say you're now a kook.
That you've lost it.
unidentified
Whatever.
steve bannon
You were at Yale, you did everything right, but you're now crazy.
That's what they, this is what they're saying.
You can't listen to you, you're a font of misinformation.
naomi wolf
I mean, you know, people have tried to cancel me my whole career.
And, and every time my audience just gets bigger.
So, you know, I'm just doing journalism like I always have primary sources like I always have.
And I'm being an advocate for people's having their own bodily autonomy, and not You are darling of the left.
steve bannon
Did you ever think in a million years that one day you could be listed as a potential national security threat to the United States?
naomi wolf
Well, I don't like it when you put it that way.
steve bannon
That makes me nervous.
By the way, I'm just looking at the thing on MSNBC.
It says the COVID response folks is number one.
That there was a big net.
Dr. Malone, Mercola, Bobby Kennedy, you, others, thousands.
But people from all political persuasions, not a bunch of right-wingers.
The thing was number one.
It's shocking that we put it up a couple times, people melt down.
Did you ever think in a million years?
naomi wolf
I knew it was possible because I've read history.
And, you know, look at who was hounded out of Germany.
It was people like Albert Einstein, right?
They were called national security threats.
You know, Heine's books were being burned.
You know, the treasure of German culture, yes, you know, when democracy is crashing down and ours, I think, is being driven into the ground for reasons that are not that clear to me, people who are seen as thought leaders in other circumstances where people care about, you know, plurality and free speech and human rights, they get marginalized and demonized.
And, you know, it's happened over and over, but they can't kill me off, right?
Reputationally.
So the next step is scary.
The next step is arrests.
And that's why we all have to resist right now.
steve bannon
How do people get to you?
How do they follow you on social media?
How do they get to your site?
naomi wolf
Thank you.
I want to thank this audience especially because you guys have led the charge with the Five Freedoms campaign.
You go to dailycloud.io and please, if you care about these issues, support us.
Help us every Every single bit you've been helping us with has made such a difference, and it's down to each person fighting the fight.
steve bannon
You've got to pile into this thing with Dr. Wolf.
She's a fighter.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
No, you're a fighter.
Courage is the most important of all virtues, because it's upon courage that all the other virtues rest.
And right now, this is a defining moment.
The courageous are stepping up and saying, of all political persuasion, saying we cannot allow this to go on in our country.
This is a dangerous time.
It's a dangerous time.
When Naomi Wolf and Dr. Malone and people of that caliber, Bobby Kennedy, people of that caliber are targeted and singled out.
We are in dangerous, dangerous times.
Okay.
Mike Lindell, 7 o'clock tonight on Lindell TV for a speech.
He's got a whole other assessment of his, of the symposium.
He's going to be back tomorrow.
We're going to start in Afghanistan, but we're going to go also, the firestorm of the schools opening in the moms, tomorrow morning, 10 a.m.
in the War Room.
Thank you, Dr. Wolf.
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