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Episode 963 – The Wicked Witch of the South … How Vernon Jones Is Taking on Stacey AbramsEpisode 963 – The Wicked Witch of the South … How Vernon Jones Is Taking on Stacey Abrams
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vernon jones
What happened in November of 2020 should have never been allowed to happen.
And it will not happen again.
The confidence of Georgia voters and their inability of our state to successfully carry out a free, fair, and transparent election.
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It deserves to be restored.
vernon jones
The integrity of our election is non-negotiable.
It is non-negotiable.
Zero room.
And that is why I'm here today to call for an immediate, florescent audit of the Georgia 22.
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You're in the War Room.
It's Thursday, the 20th of May, the year of our Lord.
2021, live from the nation's capital.
We're very honored.
We're trying to start down in Yorktown.
Patrick K. O'Donnell, the author of the great new book, The Indispensables, has been here in this audience.
You drove this book, I think, to number three worldwide on Amazon, where Patrick was here the other day, the great combat historian.
He's down at Yorktown to honor the unknown soldiers at Yorktown for the final battle of the Revolution.
Had a little technical problem.
We're going to try to get to Patrick before the hour's up.
We've got a lot of breaking news from Arizona.
We've got Mark Fincham in later in the hour.
Also, Doug Wardlow, who's running For the Attorney General in Minnesota, you know how big that is against Keith Ellis, a radical.
Doug Wardlow has written an amazing piece in American Greatness supporting the Arizona audit and getting into the constitutional issues, but very honored.
You saw the cold open there.
Very honored to have Vernon Jones.
Vernon Jones, Really lit up the political world yesterday because Vernon Jones had a press conference down in Atlanta, Georgia, where he threw down and really demanded, you're demanding that Governor Kemp call a special session of the Georgia General Assembly to have the Senate in Georgia do exactly what's going on, exactly what's going on in Arizona.
First, I want to ask you, why, Vernon, are you using Arizona as a template for the full forensic audit?
Do you think one of those has to be done in Georgia?
vernon jones
Well, clearly one needs to be done in Georgia.
This would give us an opportunity to look at the policies, the process, and the procedures that they used in Georgia.
I can tell you this, Steve.
Many of the local election officials, they were not really in tune on which to use.
Stacy's law, with that settlement agreement, or the state law.
They got confused.
And then the Secretary of State was sending mixed information.
So, as it relates to the chain of custody of ballots, As it relates, again, to the process that was used, as it relates to the procedures, there is grave concern, and the people just want clarity.
They just want to know that things go the way that they were supposed to go, Steve.
I can tell you right now, I'm uncomfortable with it, many others, and that's why we're calling on the Governor.
He created this mess when he did the backroom deal, the settlement deal, with Stacey Abrams.
steve bannon
Okay, let me ask you about that, because this is what people... I think it's very unclear about exactly what happened.
You have this consent decree.
Are you saying that Nobody in the Georgia Senate and yourself, nobody else down there knew that Stacey Abrams was cutting a deal with Kemp and the rest of the executives in Georgia and that that deal would be the operating deal for the campaign and the details of it were never fully disclosed to the Senate.
vernon jones
That's what I want to say to your audience, Steve.
The Secretary of State, the Attorney General, and the Governor They entered into this agreement with Stacey Abrams.
Now, they also ran it by the judicial branch to agree to this settlement agreement.
So, the two bodies that were involved, the state, the executive area and the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, those are all on the executive side.
and judiciary, the judges got in who agreed to the settlement, but the legislative branch who according to our constitution, we're the only ones that can write election laws or amend election laws, not them.
And we didn't find out, we were in session and we didn't find out about it until November.
We were in session twice because we recessed because of the pandemic.
Neither time did they come to us and say, hey, here's the agreement.
Do you all want to ratify it?
You would think they would want us to ratify it.
steve bannon
How does Stacey Abrams strike fear in people like Kemp?
Why is she a force of nature down in Georgia?
Because I would argue, and I know people don't like her politics and a lot of people don't like her, but it's because of Stacey Abrams.
Right?
That Donald Trump, President Trump's up at Bedminster Day playing golf and Mitch McConnell's the minority leader in the Senate.
Why does she strike fear?
What is it about her?
Because you've known her for a long time.
You're a former Democrat.
You've known her for a long time.
What is it about Stacey Abrams strikes fear into the Republican Party of Georgia?
vernon jones
Let me be clear.
She hasn't passed any landmark legislation.
She was a minority leader within a minority party.
She very seldom even attended, if any, the DeKalb County delegation, which she was a member of.
There's nothing there.
But the media, the liberal media got behind her.
And with all the money that was behind her from George Soros and others, even when she lost, you would think she was elected governor.
She was 55,000 votes away from just being into a runoff.
Can you imagine that?
But from day one, they roll out with a bunch of money with her.
From day one, they made her think that she was bigger than God.
And really, she's nothing more than a wicked witch of the South.
I can tell you that right now.
All this other stuff is hype.
And Brian is afraid of her.
steve bannon
You're trying to be provocative, no doubt, right?
vernon jones
No, I'm being serious because when I think about it, when I look at Joe Biden, Nance Pelosi and Chuck Schumer because of Brian Kemp, that's who we have in charge.
That's the Wizard of Oz.
One has no brain, the other has no heart, the other has no courage.
And they are not being led by Dorothy and Toto.
They are being led by the Wicked Witch of the South, Stacey Abrams.
I'm not afraid of her.
They can't play the race card.
They can't play the ace card.
steve bannon
You're not afraid of her?
vernon jones
I'm not afraid of her or the left.
I'll call them out.
I am not going to allow the left to have our children trapped in failing schools.
I'm not going to allow the left to come in through a settlement agreement.
She actually changed the process on signature verification.
That is undisputable a constitutional violation.
Stacey's law, that agreement, that was handled between, again, the judiciary branch and between the executive branch.
How in the world can they take that and implement it into our election process?
So there's a process.
There's a statement in the settlement agreement that talks about E-net verification.
There is nothing in our state laws about E-net verification.
And I'll tell you what else he did.
He caved into her.
We didn't have drop-off boxes in our state statute.
He caved into her.
Now they codify that in a 2021 session and they put drop-off boxes in where?
Into our election law.
But guess what?
They came and filed a lawsuit.
Stacey Abrams' group, that is, said, well, you didn't put enough drop boxes in there.
Now here's the Attorney General saying, wait a minute, you can't dictate this in his defense.
Only the legislature can write the law for elections.
I mean, this is a mess.
So yes, Steve, that's why I asked for and I call on this governor to stand up, have some guts.
It doesn't even take guts.
Call for a forensic audit.
You said earlier, Governor, that everything was okay in this election.
Well, if everything was okay, why did you pass new legislation?
Why did you sign new legislation behind closed doors, anyhow, if there was nothing wrong with it?
And if there's nothing wrong with it, what is wrong, Steve, with following those others?
Because the lie is, That President Trump was lying.
That's the lie.
The lie is that the media was lying, and you would think the media want this investigation to take place.
Russia, Russia, Russia.
Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine.
They're digging all in.
We have it right here in Georgia, and the liberal media do not want to talk about it.
They are intentionally covering it up.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to make sure people throughout the country, particularly also our Mandarin language audience, there's been a lot of talk about this new Georgia law and going forward and the companies against it and who's for it.
You're saying something quite different.
You're saying we need to go back to the 3rd of November and get to the bottom of exactly what happened.
We need to go exactly what they're doing in Arizona because, and you mentioned I think In the cold open we had, in your announcement yesterday at this press conference, you announced what Michael Patrick Leahy, we've had him on a number of times, so the 330,000 mail-in ballots that have no chain of custody paper right now.
You mentioned some specifics, so you're saying we can't go forward and worry about a law and enforce that in 2022 and beyond.
We've got to get, you want to go back to check the receipts and look at exactly what happened on November 3rd.
vernon jones
That's exactly what I'm saying.
If you look in November 3rd, the process that they used from the settlement agreement, that backroom deal with Stacey Abrams, changed the way that we do signature verifications.
The state law did not have it in there whatsoever.
A settlement agreement by the executive branch cannot supersede the legislative authority and the power to write laws as it relates to elections.
So what I'm saying, Steve, the process with our state statute, it says that the application signature has to match the card registration signature.
Stacey came in and added to that, or the application can match the E-net.
Well, there's no such thing as an E-net signature in our state statute.
Where is this coming from?
So if they go back and do a forensic audit, they'll see where that was used.
And there's, go down to Coffey County, Georgia.
They have made it clear that the Secretary of State was bundling what they should and what they should not do and they went so far they even had some people to come down there and literally come in with guns and from the Secretary of State's office going to make them do it a certain way.
There's a lot to be learned here and always saying if there's nothing wrong, fine.
But people do not feel comfortable with what happened this election and we have to go back to the future.
We have to go back to November 3rd and see how that election was and then go back to the runoff in January.
And this is where I'm saying, Steve, the governor said he could not call a special session.
This is what he said.
He said he couldn't call a special session to change the election results.
We're not asking him to change the election results back then.
We were asking him, look, give us an opportunity to look at this settlement agreement and we can really hash out what really happened here.
And we had no idea about this, Steve, until all this came up after the elections.
steve bannon
Why has it taken a Democrat who's just flipped, I think it was January 6th, you announced you were leaving the Democratic Party, you've been a lifelong Democrat, you've been elected as an executive in Georgia, you've been elected to the legislature.
Why has it taken a Democrat to talk this bluntly and this plainly?
Because on national TV, Kemp, Cosmo Mann, the Lieutenant Governor, Duncan, and your Secretary of State have said consistently, This was the most efficient, most honest, most secure election in the history of Georgia.
So why has it taken a Democrat to actually come forward and speak truth to power here?
vernon jones
Well, first of all, Steve, I've been a lifelong conservative.
I didn't leave the party the party left me.
I just got sick of that foolishness where they're gone.
and I've decided to put my country before my party, you would think that the Secretary of State and the Governor and the Attorney General way back then would have asked for a declaratory judgment.
Does this Stacey's backroom deal with the executive branch supersede what the state statute is that was written by the legislative branch?
You would think they would do that.
Why haven't they done that?
Because their hands are on that settlement agreement.
They all signed off on it.
They didn't want it exposed.
And that's my whole point, Steve.
When we go back and do this forensic audit, all of that will come out.
You know, I challenge the liberal media at my press conference to look at Stacey Abrams' agreement with the executive branch and look at what the state law was in 2020 as it relates to state election laws.
Was there anything in the state election laws that had anything to do With Enet signature verification, which means when there's some doubt on the ballot, they didn't use what was in state law to verify the signature.
They used what was in Stacey's backroom deal agreement, which was done by the executive branch and signed off by the judiciary branch.
That's the undisputed violation of the Constitution.
They can't do that.
Now, that's simple to do.
That is simple, but they don't want to do it.
Why?
Because their hands are all over.
Let me tell you, there's a dead cat on the Internet line and Brian Kemp.
Is that cat's name?
steve bannon
What do you mean?
You think there are backroom deals that were made and that's what people don't want to come for?
vernon jones
Clearly, if they had not come to a settlement agreement, if they had done a settlement agreement that didn't change a state law, or I should say didn't supersede a state law that was not used in our elections, that would have been different.
They could have said, OK, you pay the legal fees.
The legal fees had nothing to do with the state statute.
But when you did something that superseded the state statute, where you threw the statute out of the window and you went with a settlement agreement, there lies the constitutional violation.
And none of the lawyers in the beginning was looking at that.
That's where the big issue is.
But when we do a forensic audit, we can find all those things out, Steve.
They'll come out.
steve bannon
Okay, we'll take a short commercial break.
We'll return with Vernon Jones.
Vernon is running in the Republican primary against a sitting Republican governor in the state of Georgia.
We're going to return in a moment with Vernon Jones in the war room.
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steve bannon
Welcome back to the War Room.
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I've noticed one thing since you've gotten involved in this race, which I love.
That's the Mike Pella folks up in Minnesota, Mike Lindell, and of course the Warren Posse.
I want to turn back now to Vernon Jones, who is running in a primary against a sitting Republican governor. I've noticed one thing since you've gotten involved in this race, which I love. All of a sudden the liberal media is loving on some Brian Kemp.
I mean, they love this guy now.
How does it go that Brian Kemp is now getting such support from the liberal media?
Why is that?
vernon jones
It's very clear.
They know that Brian Kemp cannot beat Stacey Abrams.
I can beat Stacey Abrams.
What they're trying to do is be in a love fest with him, help him stumble across the finish line, only to cut his head off and hand it to Stacey Abrams.
See, the left, Steve, And all of those so-called folks want to talk about Jim Crow.
They can't play that on me.
They can't play the Ace of Spades.
They can't play the Ace of Hearts.
They can't play that card on me, period.
Look, I am black.
I was born and reared in the South.
I was reared with conservative values.
A lot of black people identify with me.
The Republican Party has not done a good enough job engaging the African-American community.
There are a lot of conservative votes.
steve bannon
Why is the Republican Party, why has it been so difficult for the Republican Party to do that?
In your mind?
vernon jones
They've been able to win without that vote, but they can't do that anymore.
But see, blacks have been voting for Democrats knowing they've been taken advantage of and taken for granted, but they haven't trusted the Republican Party.
When Donald Trump opened that door, Donald Trump has done what I've been telling everybody to do all along, all Republicans, engage them.
Donald Trump engaged the African American community and his policies, although it lifted all boats, It's certainly lifted the African-American community.
They know me.
They trust me.
I've been a 12-year legislator.
I've been a chief executive.
There is no way in the world that I can't pull 20 to 25 percent, if not more, of the African-American vote, and that's what the liberals are afraid of.
Because let me tell you, so goes Georgia, so goes this country.
When I win Georgia's governorship, imagine me, a black Republican, going across this country Engaging in the African American community, Democrats, if they lost just 15% of the black vote consistently, they would never win hardly any other offices where there are states with a significant number of African Americans.
That would be the end of them.
We want to put a nail in that coffin because Democrats have taken African Americans for granted.
What did Joe Biden say?
If I don't vote for him, I'm not black.
What did he say?
He didn't want his kids growing up in a racial jungle.
I didn't say that.
Kabbalah Harris told him that.
Yeah, I said Kabbalah Harris.
Now use the race card on me.
Yes, because she's part of a cabal.
But let me tell you, Steve, here's what it comes down to.
We need a win in Georgia.
We need a win in this country.
And Republicans cannot just put two black people in a commercial and think that's going to get the black vote.
You have to work that vote.
And that's what I represent.
I want to say to Republicans, I represent the face and the future of the Republican Party.
Where the conservatives are right now, they're in the Democratic Party, but they don't trust the Republicans.
Let's build that bridge.
Let's engage them.
Another place the Republicans have fallen on is young people.
Steve, the Democrats are getting to these young people earlier.
They're getting to them in schools, in middle school, high school, and college, and they're shaming those who have conservative values.
Republicans have got to go there and engage and get involved and train and bring these young people up and we can take back this country.
We can restore our conservative values.
I am not going to be in a party that does not want me to call myself a man, Steve.
I am a man.
I'm not going to let nobody try to gender neutralize me.
That's what the Democrats are doing.
The Democrats say they support women.
Well, why are they allowing for biotransgender males to participate in female sports?
Can you imagine?
steve bannon
You're opposed to that.
vernon jones
I'm opposed to that.
Can you imagine LeBron James putting a wig on and all of a sudden he wants to join the WNBA?
Follow the science then, my people, follow the science.
Can you imagine children being injected with hormones and having sex operations?
Children, when in fact, Steve, it takes, you have to be 18 to vote and 21 to buy a pack of cigarettes.
And when you look at these colleges and these middle schools, these teachers are teaching them to be anti-America.
And when you look at the CRT, which our governor hasn't done a damn thing about CRT in Georgia.
Can you imagine?
steve bannon
Well, CRT is taught because the country is systemically racist, correct?
vernon jones
Well, you know, it's interesting about this systemic racism.
I guess Joe Biden is full of systemic racism because here he is, he wants to create a bucket to stop hate among Asians.
What about hate among all people?
Why couldn't he have passed something?
I don't hate Asians.
Do you hate Asians?
Where's this coming from?
That's what the left is doing.
They're turning us against each other.
They're putting us in these different buckets.
And you know what?
Biden's been in office over 100 days.
I have yet to talk to an African American that said anything that Joe Biden's administration has done to help the African American community.
steve bannon
I want to go back to the policies, the reason you flipped the MAGA.
In 2019, before the CCP virus hit, lowest black unemployment in the nation's history, since we've been recording it, and 11% wage increase among blue-collar workers and lower-skilled workers, right?
The MAGA thing of limit immigration and start to put up tariffs and be protectionist.
Right?
Started to increase wages.
Is that one of the reasons you flipped from a Democrat?
Was it the MAGA policies of Trump?
Not just his... I realize he's a Type A personality for leadership, but was it the policies that attracted you or the leadership?
vernon jones
Well, first of all, it takes someone with guts like Donald Trump to stand up and not be afraid to make a decision.
He says what's on his mind and he does what he says he's going to do.
You know where he stands, Steve.
I like that.
That's how I am.
That's how General Patton was.
But when you look at his policies, his policies certainly did a lot to help African Americans.
I went to a historical black college, North Carolina Central University.
And do you know, Steve, under the Obama administration, they literally tried to merge black colleges into majority white colleges, and they called hell from black college presidents.
Then the funding was really cut under Obama administration.
Donald Trump came in, not only did it increase by 14%, but President Trump also wrote it into law.
No other president has ever wrote into statute where funding would go to these historical black colleges so they don't have to come up year in and year out and beg for money.
What he did for the prison reform, or I should say criminal justice reform, it was Joe Biden who wrote the crime bill that put blacks in jails, destroyed an entire black generation.
And Steve, what I'm telling you, look at the number of blacks who died in jail for those egregious sentences where the time didn't match the crime.
President Trump came out, non-violent offenders, it doesn't make sense.
Let me give you a second chance so you can go back and work and be reunited with your family and contribute to this society.
steve bannon
Look, if MSNBC and CNN, which we keep on here 24-7 so we can follow the narrative, they are relentless about Donald Trump's a racist, that MAGA movement's basically nativist and xenophobic, right, that everything that happened from on the Stop the Steal all the way to the 6th is all because of white supremacism, what say you?
vernon jones
You know, the real white supremacy is in the Democratic Party.
That's why I'm not a part of it.
They think that black men and women, Steve, cannot think independently.
Let us think for you.
They have this maternal and paternal instinct.
We'll even build you a Habitat house, but not in our neighborhoods.
And let us tell you, we're going to keep you trapped in these failing schools.
Although these failing schools may be in some of our communities, but we can take our children and put them in private schools.
Well, open that up to black families and other families.
Allow them They have a school of their choice.
I support school choice.
Let the money follow the child.
Know what's been happening.
They left the child behind and the school behind and the money behind.
But it's not that I don't support public schools because I went there, but I think public schools become a lot more competitive if they're not just giving money year to year.
steve bannon
What has hurt public schools?
What has hurt public school education in Georgia?
vernon jones
To me, democratic policies, to me, where by state law and these school boards where if you live in a particular zip code, you cannot take your child out of that school for the most part.
And if your child is in a failing school, what is wrong with your child?
Go into a performance school, a private school, the money follows that child.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But I want to get back to this Democratic Party, too.
This Democratic Party is full of bigotry.
Look what they did to Senator Tim Scott.
Why?
Because Tim Scott is not following their narrative.
Look what the left has done to me, the liberal media.
They won't have me on CNN.
CNN, put me on your show.
MSNBC, put me on your show.
All the other right or left-wing media, liberal shows, put me on your show.
They won't, Steve, because I don't care that narrative that Republicans are racist.
No, Democrats are racist.
And I don't care that narrative that I'm a victim.
I am not a victim.
I am a victor.
I wasn't raised like that.
That's not how I was raised.
My family, they want us to work hard, pray hard, and you can achieve something.
So liberals want us to be victims.
And how is it that it's voter suppression?
White liberals leading blacks down to the slaughterhouse and not doing anything with their policies to help African-Americans.
That is black suppression.
And that's voter suppression when they want to intimidate people like me and others, African-Americans, when they try to shame us, call us Uncle Toms, call us sellouts and all this.
You know who's a real sellout?
The Democratic Party.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to take a, we're going to take a short commercial break.
Can you stay?
I know you've got a little event.
vernon jones
No, I want to stay.
This is on fire.
steve bannon
Vernon Jones is with us.
Vernon Jones is a Republican candidate in the primary in Georgia for the governorship.
There's a sitting Republican.
I guess all indication is he's going to run.
The winner of that, in all likelihood, looks like he's going to face Stacey Abrams on her march to the White House.
She said the other day she wants to be president one day.
Stacey, if you want to be president, I guess you've got to go through the governorship of Georgia to get there.
So it's going to be a very climactic battle.
And I think what Vernon says is correct.
How Georgia goes, so goes the nation.
That's one of the reasons that John Fredericks and myself and others have gotten into our radio station down there, WMLB AM 1690.
I want to thank everybody for listening and take a short commercial break.
We're going to return with Vernon Jones in the war room next.
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Our guests in studio are very lucky.
We've been able to talk them into staying a few more minutes.
Vernon Jones, he's going, he's a candidate for the Republican nomination against a sitting governor down there in that kind of mess that's down in Georgia.
If he wins the Republican nomination, he'll in all likelihood take on Stacey Abrams head-to-head in a contest for the governorship.
First off, people have gotten to know you on Fox and other things of President Trump's rallies.
As a Democrat, you announced on 1-6 that you were going to shift parties because you're really mogging America first.
Walk people through, because the audience is going crazy right now.
It's one of the first times I think people have had time.
It's just not a quick hit.
You've had like 20 or 30 minutes to walk through it.
But walk our audience through how you got here today.
How did Vernon Jones get here?
What's your background?
What's the history, education, and political experience?
vernon jones
Well Steve, I was, and to your audience, I was born and reared on a farm in North Carolina.
Actually, Steve, four room, center block house that my family built.
No indoor plumbing.
I've used an outhouse and a JC Penney's catalog.
I remember being one of my best friends, if you guys know about that.
But born and reared, faith-based, hard work.
The government doesn't owe you anything.
I guess I was about eight years old, too, when I realized that I was on drugs.
And I don't want anybody to feel sorry for me.
My mother drug me to church on Sunday.
She drug me to church on Monday.
She drug me to church on Tuesday.
She drug me to church on Wednesday.
So faith was a big part of my upbringing.
I was reared to use a weapon or fire by my dad.
My dad taught all of us boys how to do that.
By the time we got our own gun, when we turned 14, we were responsible gun owners.
We used it for hunting, sporting, and stuff like that.
But we were responsible users.
But also, my dad was a military man, serving 3rd Army under General Patton.
My dad served in the military.
My dad fought for this country and went really back home.
This country didn't fight for my dad, but I never ever heard him say anything negative about this country.
We were reared as patriots.
He said this is the best country on earth.
And all he wanted us to get some education.
My mom and dad had about a third grade education.
Never complained.
Never blamed a white man.
That never came into our mind.
What they said is, look, if you work hard, and if you pray hard, and you want to do something in your life, you can do it.
And they made sacrifices for me.
I was able to go to college.
I attended North Carolina Central University in Durham and graduated, worked in the private sector for MCI and Bell South and others.
Got elected to the legislature when I was about 30.
I served eight years there.
Served on some powerful committees, including Appropriations Committee.
Got elected county executive in Georgia.
Matter of fact, I managed about 8,000 employees.
We had a budget of about $3 billion.
I appointed all department heads, had maybe 30 plus department heads.
Managed and commanded a very serious fire rescue team and police department.
I know what it's like When our law enforcement officers are running towards events and others are running away from them, I lost several officers, including two in one night.
And when I see these thugs out here and these others who don't support law enforcement, when I see the Democratic Party wants to defund law enforcement, Steve, that is un-American.
So I stand with the men and women in blue.
There are some that are bad actors to get rid of them.
Hell, there are bad politicians to get rid of them, too, like Brian Kemp.
We need to get rid of him.
But I want to tell you, I was conservative, always been conservative, pro-life.
But the Democratic Party had me out there supporting Planned Parenthood and others.
Because that's what they get you to have you out there.
That's not how I was raised.
Dr. Alveda King gave me a book to read.
That's when I first learned about Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger.
And when I found out that Margaret Sanger Thought that black people were defected and that we should be weeded out like weeds.
And she set out to abort every black baby and to sterilize every black woman.
Steve, it was a light that went off.
steve bannon
In the Democratic Party, you don't learn the history of the eugenicists and Sanger and all that crap in Back of Plain Parenthood?
vernon jones
You don't hear about, I didn't read about that in schools.
And so here's a group, and she was a Ku Klux Klan, like Joe Biden hung around Robert Burr, the card-carrying chapter president of the Ku Klux Klan, and that was his idol.
I mean, can you imagine a private conversation he and Joe Biden may have had by themselves?
And so when I look at the Democratic Party and where they have gone, Um, no physical responsibility, defunding the police.
Let me tell you, our police need, they need more training for, for de-escalation and more training for, on how use of force, those types of things.
And Steve, nobody does this.
You only get, you only get mental assessments, psychological assessment when you're being hired.
Police officers don't get that anymore.
Every three to five years, they need to have some assessment.
Check to see if you've got PTSD.
Check to see if you're okay.
PTSD, get them some therapy.
steve bannon
Tough, tough job.
vernon jones
And let me tell you, That's why in Georgia we need to double that training, but we also need to start every new drive into Georgia.
should have to go through four hours of how to conduct yourself when you're stopped by a law enforcement officer.
This gotta be a mutual thing here.
But how did I get here?
I've always been here.
I've been right here.
The Democratic Party move, I've been right here the whole time.
When I came out for President Trump and decided to put President Trump over my party because of his policies were good, the Democrats lost their minds.
You know, I have a history.
The people don't know this.
I voted for George W. Bush.
I was a big supporter of George W. Bush.
Um, I voted for Mitt Romney, I don't know if I want to talk about that, but I have a history of working bipartisan on both sides of the aisle, but when I came out for President Trump and what he was doing, I said, this man has it right.
steve bannon
You voted for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama?
vernon jones
I voted for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama, and I'm going to tell you, I don't know which one, you know, both of them, uh, uh, looking down their uses, but I'll, I'll say this, Steve, President Trump has it right.
The Democrat Party, when they looked at me and other African Americans, those who gave them the key, turned the lights off and said, you can have this plantation.
They had the right string, but the wrong yo-yo.
We weren't putting up for that foolishness.
And I came out for Donald Trump.
I was on the front lines for Donald Trump and election integrity when Brian Kemp was sitting on the sidelines.
And so when I came back home to the grand old party, I brought in grand new people, grand new opportunities, and grand new ideas.
steve bannon
Did the liberal media and the Democratic Party turn on you as soon as you started?
vernon jones
Absolutely.
As soon as I started.
steve bannon
Does this show you that they don't want black men and women to think independently and to come to their own conclusions?
vernon jones
But you have to understand in the last 30 years I've been around politics.
The liberal media and my party always had an issue with me because I was an independent thinker.
I didn't support some of that legislation.
NRA, I'm the only Democrat in the state of Georgia with an A rating from the NRA.
I support and co-sponsored their campus carry bill.
If those thugs know you got some bullets flying back at them, they won't show up on that campus.
We have to be tough.
In Atlanta, all the crime now, because the mayor, they're giving these Mother's Day speeches about her son when her city's been burned down.
Look, you can't have that kind of stuff.
You can't be soft on criminals and hard on your police officers.
That's why you see a lot of these Democratic-led cities.
Crime is up.
Police officers are leaving.
They don't feel like they're supported.
And so I'm not going to let that happen.
steve bannon
So how are you going to take on Stacey Abrams?
And why are you the person more than Brian Kemp?
or other people will jump in this race to take on Stacey Abrams.
vernon jones
I'm gonna make a prediction right now.
Stacey Abrams will not show up.
To go against Vernon Jones.
Why?
Because, Stacey, you know I know you.
You can't play that race card.
You can't play that black card.
You can't play any card.
I can expose Stacey.
And she knows that I can expose her because her agenda has nothing to do with American politics.
steve bannon
You admit, though, that she has changed the direction of American politics, and particularly presidential politics, and in the Senate with what she did in Georgia in 2020.
vernon jones
What she did in Georgia violated our constitutional rights.
steve bannon
And we got those brinos and rhinos- Then why didn't Brian Kemp and courts and all this call her out for it?
vernon jones
Because he's a brino, and our leadership is a bunch of rhinos.
steve bannon
I have done more to stand up- Are they afraid of Stacey Abrams because they're afraid of being called racist by the liberal media and by the Democratic Party?
vernon jones
That's why I tell you, I am sick of seeing white Democrats from Chuck Schumer to Nancy Pelosi called white Republicans racist.
You know what, when Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi took that knee with that kente cloth, those fools didn't know that that kente cloth was used by a tribe that started the slave trading.
But they were pandering to blacks.
Let me tell you, I'm going to rip them apart because I'm not afraid.
And I have experience in policy setting.
I've run a government.
The only thing Stacey's ever run was her mouth.
I have more executive experience than Brian Kemp.
steve bannon
Let me tell you, when you run a large public... Brian Kemp's going around right now, just to be brutally frank, he's going around now saying, hey, I've got to raise money because I've got to take on Stacey Abrams.
My primary is a k-walk.
vernon jones
It's me he's afraid of.
unidentified
Look, let me tell you, Now that the liberal media loves him, how are you going to combat that?
vernon jones
Well, because grassroots... Let me tell you, when a governor's been censored by several counties, Republican county delegations... That doesn't get a lot of media play down there, does it?
unidentified
None.
vernon jones
When he's been censored, even by the congressional district, when they had each 14 congressional districts' meetings, he was censored by a number of them.
Look, he is a dead man walking.
And what I mean by a dead man walking, nobody... He thinks that they're going to remember him on that truck with that shotgun.
That gun was empty.
He had no bullets of real policies.
He had no bullets in there to stand up for this president.
He had no bullets to stand up for election integrity.
steve bannon
Does Brian Kemp have any shot to beat Stacey Abrams?
vernon jones
No.
Period.
And the liberal media knows it.
And that's why it's so funny.
We're laughing.
The media is literally his campaign manager.
The liberal media.
The Atlanta Journal and Constipation is his campaign manager.
They are in a love fest with this man.
As a matter of fact, they won't even investigate the fact that, look at the settlement agreement, and look at what was put into law, or look at the state statute in Georgia in the 2020 and the 2021 election.
They don't want to look at it, Steve.
Why?
Because it would unveil that there was, the President was telling the truth.
The President was right when he said, there is some irregularities here.
steve bannon
It's not a big lie.
vernon jones
It's not a lie at all.
The big lie is that they're saying that he's lying and that what he's saying is false.
But what are they afraid of?
I've never seen the liberal media afraid to investigate anything.
Where are their reporters crawling investigating on this?
And let me tell you, there's a difference between a recount and a forensic audit.
They want to say, oh, well, he's had recounts, recounts.
Where's your evidence?
Here's the evidence of Florence and Audit.
Here's the evidence.
Have you looked at the actual settlement agreement?
The deal that Stacey cut?
That they use over state law in our elections, but they don't want to look at it.
They don't even want to talk about it.
You know why?
And why is it that Brian does not want to call a forensic audit because his hands is all over it?
steve bannon
Besides Kemp, what about the state legislature?
Why did they not call themselves back into a special session between November 3rd and the special election of the Senators when all this could have gotten worked through?
Why did the Georgia House and Senate both?
Look, you've got an administration controlled by Republicans, you've got a Senate controlled by Republicans, you've got a House controlled by Republicans.
Why would they fail to do it, yet a Democrat-turned-MAGA is going to do it?
Vernon Jones, how does that work?
vernon jones
Because it took a Democrat-MAGA man to stand up.
Because you've got some rhinos there, and they're afraid to stand up.
They're afraid.
You don't understand how that liberal millionaire would whip the crap out of them if they stand up.
But that's why they're starting to lose down there.
Georgia is a red state.
Make no mistake about it.
We had a third person at runoff, Bubba McDonald, running for re-election for Public Service Commissioner.
He spent a half million dollars.
Kelly Lofton and other, Purdue, they spent close to a hundred million dollars.
They lost, but he won.
How did he win?
How did he win?
He won because people knew him, he campaigned.
Kelly Lofton, everybody know this, and you know this too, she bought that seat.
There was nothing about her that make you want to vote for her.
steve bannon
Where's that hat sideways?
Okay, we got to bounce, but how do people, the audience is blown up.
How do people get to you?
What's the social media?
What's your website?
vernon jones
Look, if you want a fighter, if you want someone who want to protect Donald Trump's legacy, if you want someone to go up against that liberal left and Stacey Abrams, go to jonesforgeorgia.com right now, jonesforgeorgia.com and donate.
And let's take back our state and we're going to take back our country.
Remember, so goes Georgia.
So goes the rest of this country.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
It's an honor.
vernon jones
Thank you, my friend.
steve bannon
Honor to have you here.
Okay, that's a fighter right there.
That's the fighting spirit.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to go to both Minnesota, Arizona, and Yorktown all when we get back in the War Room.
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Feel the Vern.
steve bannon
That, I tell you, Colonel Lohmeyer and Vernon Jones on the show in one day, just amazing.
Okay, we're gonna go to Yorktown, Virginia, the historic site of the American Revolution.
Patrick K. O'Donnell, the greatest combat historian of his generation, the author of the book The Indispensables.
The audience made this a thing number three or four in the world on Amazon.
He's down there for a special ceremony.
Patrick, tell us why you're down in Yorktown.
unidentified
This is where the American Revolution was decided, Steve.
And behind me is the mass grave of 50 French soldiers.
And we, with the Tomb Guard Honor Society, laid a wreath of white flowers to honor these men and their sacrifice that's never been done before.
This is about alliances.
Only about 400 yards away from me was Washington's headquarters where the Indispensables formed the Lifeguard.
This is the special unit that guarded Washington that was about 250 men, and they were involved in special operations-like missions.
They guarded the Commander-in-Chief, arguably a precursor to the Secret Service, but they were also involved in some critical battles, too.
steve bannon
And so today you laid a wreath.
These are 50 from the French General that brought the troops.
I know the French Navy held blockade.
Rochambeau brought his troops.
These are 50 in a mass grave, unknown but to God.
So today you laid a wreath in their honor from the American people, correct?
unidentified
Absolutely, Steve.
It's about the American idea that they fought for and we fought for.
And now it's so important, more important than ever, to preserve.
steve bannon
Patrick O'Donnell, I want to thank you.
I want to thank you for wading through our technical problems.
Thank the folks in Denver for signing up.
It's very moving.
I look forward to having you on later in the week.
The book is The Indispensables.
I want everybody in this audience to pound into this book.
Go to Amazon or elsewhere.
It's a book about the unknown people from Marblehead that basically took Washington across to Delaware.
It's got a rave review in the Wall Street Journal.
Patrick, the book is amazing.
I've gotten so many compliments.
From people who have bought the book and love it already.
So thank you very much for doing this.
unidentified
Thank you so much for having me on the show.
steve bannon
Thank you for commemorating what happened in Yorktown.
Patrick K. O'Donnell had a ceremony down there today to lay a wreath at the mass grave of the 50 Frenchmen that died in defense of America's freedom.
Okay, I want to talk about that freedom.
We're fighting on this every day.
You saw Vernon Jones.
I want to go now to Minnesota.
Doug Wardlow, he's running for the Attorney Generalship up in Minnesota.
He's going against Keith Ellis, a radical.
Doug's written an incredible piece in American Greatness, guess what, about Arizona and what's happening in Maricopa County.
The Supervisors.
Only got a couple of minutes, Doug.
Summarize what your article's about and why you think this is a constitutional issue, sir.
sir.
unidentified
Well, absolutely.
And Thomas Jefferson was right when he said that the electors are basically the arc that we draw to constitutionalism.
This is an issue that goes right to the head of our former president.
steve bannon
We can't get it.
Can we get Fincham?
Okay, we can't get Doug Wardlow.
We'll have Doug on tomorrow.
It's just too important to miss.
Is he back up?
unidentified
Doug?
steve bannon
Let's go to Fincham.
Okay, we're going to go to Mark Fincham and get Doug Wardlow back up tomorrow.
We've been trying to do a lot today, right?
So technically, we want to thank the guys in Denver.
Everybody's on this.
Okay, do we have Mark Fincham?
Mark Fincham?
mark finchem
I'm here.
steve bannon
Hey, Mark.
Mark, what is going on with Karen Phan out in Arizona?
Is her life being threatened?
Is she getting threats?
What's going on with all these lovely liberals and nice progressives and they want to, you know, give a group hug?
Is Karen Phan... We have a problem with the personal security of Karen Phan?
mark finchem
I don't think we have a problem with personal security.
The fact that it was caught in the mailroom, apparently.
There was a package that was sent in with some powder.
Of course, the operational security detail, they're not going to release what the status of that is, whether or not she's got increased protection, but we've already got a pretty robust, dignitary protection detail at both the House and the Senate.
steve bannon
Okay, last thing.
There's a lot of questions about this database.
Was this incompetence by the team that's working out there in the audit?
We know from Sonny Borelli gave a great interview at Gateway Pundit on Monday the 24th.
The grind starts again.
The ballots come back out.
The graduations are over.
But can you just put to bed all these questions about what actually happened with the database?
Can you let our audience know exactly where we stand with the database and what's being worked on today?
mark finchem
I'd be happy to, Steve.
So this is why everybody calls CNN and MSDNC and AP fake news purveyors.
This is a quoted statement from Ben Cotton, who's got 25 years of testifying professionally on data management, on data security.
And they're doing everything they can to impugn this man, but this is what he responded to their misrepresentation of what he said in the hearing.
Quote, my testimony on May 19th before the Arizona Senate is being taken out of context by some media outlets to confirm the database directory on the EMS primary server was deleted, containing the voting databases.
I was able to recover the deleted databases through forensic data recovery processes.
So this is a guy, like I say, who's an expert in this.
And Katie Hobbs and the whole MSNBC crew wants to try and undercut his credibility.
So once again, if you don't like the message, you try and take out the messenger.
steve bannon
I just want to make sure everybody understands this.
He's saying it was deleted by forensic applications.
Katie Hobbs, you're going to see this all night long on MSNBC and CNN.
She's waiting now.
Mark, we've got about a minute left.
She's waiting with a letter today saying, hey, you've got to throw out these machines now because they're open to malware because the audit team has basically put their hands on them, correct?
mark finchem
That's what she's asserting.
But we've got every interest in returning those machines in the exact same condition that they were sent to the audit team.
I think the Senate's doing a really good job of managing this.
And for her to allege that they would do something unprofessional like that is exactly what I've come to expect from this.
So called Secretary of State.
But at the end of the day, I think that they are professional enough to see to it that that equipment is being returned in the same condition.
She wants to make this an issue.
And what she's doing, I think, inadvertently is making the statement that maybe this wasn't the safest and most secure election, because if it could be here.
Where else could it be at?
steve bannon
Let me say something.
You guys have inspired, the team out there has inspired the nation.
You've got Vernon Jones in Georgia throwing down, saying we've got to do a full forensic audit like they're doing in Arizona, in Georgia.
You've got Doug Wardlow, we're going to get to him tomorrow, written a brilliant piece in American Greatness saying, hey, this is raising the stakes out here, what Maricopa County is trying to do to the Senate.
The whole nation and quite frankly the world is focused on Arizona because of patriots like you, so don't give up.
We'll get your social media up later.
We'll be back at 10 o'clock tomorrow.
Explosive breaking news tomorrow at 10 a.m.
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