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May 13, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 943 – The Big Truth (w/ Mark Finchem, Boris Epshteyn, Dr. Lawrence Sellin)Episode 943 – The Big Truth (w/ Mark Finchem, Boris Epshteyn, Dr. Lawrence Sellin)
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, and the worst happens... War Room.
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Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, you're in the War Room.
It is Thursday, 13 May, Year of Our Lord 2021.
We're broadcast everywhere, on every platform, and of course in a podcast later in the day, now significantly north, stunningly north of 50 million downloads.
We got so much to cover today.
We had a bunch of great cold opens, but we don't have time for it because we've got stuff happening all over the country and the world.
We're going to have Colonel Lawrence Sellin on later, Lou Barletta from Pennsylvania, the Hoff Brothers, Jim and Joe.
We've got Mort Kline, Zionist Organization of America, we've been talking about the pipeline, what's happening to gas prices, Israel, the country spinning out of control about Joe Biden's decisions, right?
You know, just a hundred days into the Biden administration, you see the chaos and the anarchy.
But we're going to start with an explosive letter last night coming out of Arizona.
Remember, we only report things that have venues to adjudicate, whether they're in state legislatures or in courtrooms.
So if it's not there, we're not interested.
But you're seeing that to get to the bottom, regardless of what McCarthy thinks, to get to the bottom of what happened on November 3rd, we have to grind through this with the proper authorities.
Stunning letter.
We're going to go to Arizona first.
Bring in Mark Fincham.
Late last night, at least East Coast time.
A stunning letter from Karen Phan, the President of the Arizona Senate, sent to the Board of Supervisors in Maricopa County to list out a bill of particulars and called for a public hearing next Tuesday, the 18th of May, the Year of Our Lord 2021 at 1 p.m.
local time.
For them to put forward some answers to some pretty explosive revelations that have come already, ladies and gentlemen, from the deck plates in that convention center.
And I'm glad to say that I think we're the first show to be talking about this because our colleagues and friends at Newsmax and our colleagues and friends over at Fox crickets on an explosive story.
I want to bring in now Mark Fincham.
Mark, just to tee this up,
This letter, and we'll go through the particulars of the letter, some of the details, but this really plays back from, I think it was in 14 December, 14 December of last year, 2020, you had a huge hearing in the Senate, I believe, where the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, who are 4-1 Republican, pledged that they would fully cooperate with every aspect of a forensic audit if one was to go forward.
And there would be no problems.
And now last night, given, we've only been in this, I think, what, three weeks?
And there's a lot more to go.
Like I tell people, it's going to take however long it's going to take.
They're taking a short break here because of some graduations.
They're securing everything.
They're going to have some graduations in the Phoenix area.
Use the arena.
Then we'll get back to business.
In Denver, after I get Fincham up, I want to show that letter, put it up on the screen.
And we'll put the letter in the live chat right now.
Producer Cameron and the team, Amanda, the rest of the team following the live chat.
Mark Fincham, tell us what happened, what brought us to this point, and why are we having a public hearing next week?
mark finchem
Morning, Steve.
So there's three things that are listed in the letter that I think are the most important, and I'll tease those out for you.
Number one, the routers.
The routers basically are an address book of anything that crossed out of the Maricopa Tabulation Center.
Now, interestingly enough, Sheriff Penzone, a Democrat, wrote a letter saying, well, we're very concerned that sensitive law enforcement information might be identified on those routers.
Well, okay, that's a violation of NCIC policy, which is National Crime Information Center.
So now we've got even more questions to have him ask, or answer, quite frankly.
But that tells us that if there's traffic that went out of the building, where it went, and if there was traffic that came back in, All of this around machines that allegedly were not connected to the Internet.
The next piece on the hit parade that President Fan hit was the chain of custody and the organization of ballots.
We've got missing ballots.
The numbers that are on the tally sheets don't match up with the ballots that are in the boxes.
At the same time, the bags that were supposed to have tags on them, well, the tags appear to have been cut off and are at the bottom of the boxes.
And then item number three, which probably is the most egregious, is the destruction, or the apparent destruction, of data files that were on the hard drive for the voting machines.
This is a stunning revelation, and it's one of the things that we had hoped we would not see, but that is exactly what the cyber investigation, I call them the geek squad, that's what they do, that's what they find.
That's what they appear to have found.
Now, we're hopeful that that data is stored someplace else, but we seem to be moving on the continuum from... Hang on a second.
steve bannon
All three of these items, as explosive as they are, and I want to go back to the 14th December hearing, because we talk about unity in this country, we talk about, you know, working together and going forward, and we've said, look, We're not trying to be recalcitrant here.
We're not trying to be unreasonable.
But we need to get to the bottom of November 3rd because there are very legitimate questions and issues that need to be rectified.
The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors pledged their cooperation.
Republican control, by the way.
Republican control.
Pledge their cooperation in a hearing in the Senate back on the 14th of December.
Now you've had this, and we're going to put the letter, everybody in this audience needs to read this letter.
You need to go to Gateway Pundit and other sites that are doing analysis of the letter.
You need to share that.
You need to share that particularly with all the haters in your life.
All the people that say you're a kook or a wingnut, I want you to share this letter, that's not written by you, not written by the War Room, not written by Donald Trump, it was written by the President of the Senate of the State of Arizona, Karen Phan.
And it lists out these three major items, all of them explosive, but in a situation where you were working together, and not adversarial, Couldn't you have, like, a meeting, or, you know, hey, the data files are missing, there must be something wrong on the hard drives, or you gave us the wrong ones, etc.
Has there been a back and forth?
Has there been any type of working together to get around the chain of custody of, you know, supposedly missing ballots, of what's being alleged missing ballots?
The tags on the boxes not being correct, not matching what's in the boxes.
The data files, potential destruction, or at least the information is not there.
And then the routers, why are they even used?
Why are we in a situation already, where they've pledged cooperation, that all of a sudden, the Senate, only a couple weeks into this, because I'm sure there's a lot more to come, has to draft a letter, and not just that, buried lead, call for a public hearing.
Call for a public hearing.
I think it's the bookend of the 14 December hearing.
So, Mark, why is Maricopa County, the Board of Supervisors, and the people that report to them for election, for running these elections, not, at least seems to be working with the Senate of Arizona?
mark finchem
Well, Steve, let's get 30 seconds of history.
On December 14th, At the end of that hearing, which would be six hours after that statement was made by the Chairman of the Board of Supervisors, they were informed that they would be receiving two subpoenas.
And within less than an hour, they lawyered up.
And the entire time, we have seen nothing but obfuscation, court battles, as you'll recall, your viewers are going to recall.
We've been to court so many times, I think that we've worn a track in the floor.
So this is not a surprise.
Quite frankly, we hope that it wouldn't be this way.
This is a simple exercise in scrutiny of the election.
And at every turn, the Board of Supervisors has found a reason not to cooperate.
So I'm glad that the President's fan is on this and that she's called for a public hearing to get some answers to the questions that are in her letter next Tuesday.
steve bannon
I want to bring up another topic.
And this is because you have a Secretary of State, Katie Hobbs, who I think, and somebody ought to check, I don't know if she's a paid contributor to MSNBC and CNN, but she's certainly got the gig of a contributor.
Because all day long we keep monitors here in the War Room with the staff all day long, and our staff throughout the country, and she's on all the time.
And I would just ask you as somebody that's running for it, but anybody that's a Secretary of State or has taken on the responsibility of those jobs, her mantra Is this was the most secure, most perfect, I think she said, most perfect election in the history of the great state of Arizona.
No qualifiers.
I mean, these three things right here, I would assume you could call her office this morning and say, hey, we could avoid the hearing.
Can you just give us the answers for these three things?
What is going on with your Secretary of State?
mark finchem
So she has absolutely no control over this, other than she is the Chief Elections Officer of the state.
Now, she keeps promoting what the Democrats have called the big lie.
Well, I think what we're now seeing is, on our side of the equation, the big truth.
That is, that no matter how much time she does on MSNBC, she cannot account for the things that the Board of Supervisors have done, and she is apparently unwilling to admit That with all of the things that are in this letter, her claims on MSNBC are outrageously false.
steve bannon
I want to say something else, not to point fingers and say, hey, there may be malfeasance, but if you just look at the level of detail in this letter, we're going to have Boris Epstein on in a moment, who's going to walk us through the details of this letter, but if you just look at the letter, everybody in the audience, podcast later, got to get a hold of this letter, get a cup of coffee, sit down and just read it.
The level of detail and professionalism.
This shows, best case, unless there's immediate answers, that they cut back to you and say, oh you must have missed this, you misinterpreted that, this tag's there, this is wrong.
A level of incompetence.
A level of incompetence that is shocking even to people who have been on this.
We saw this letter last night.
I was talking to the wee hours of more people throughout the country that have been working on these projects throughout states.
They think now Arizona is like, wow!
Nobody had any earthy idea to be this level.
And remember, everybody please remember, that the team has only been in there for You know, a couple of weeks and you don't even have the reports of the canvassing, right?
So that's what's so stunning about this.
What do you think?
Are they going to show up next Tuesday?
Are we going to be in the court this afternoon?
Is the DOJ going to come in here and try to shut this entire thing down?
Because now it's been outed that the level of incompetence here is calling into question everything dealing with the presidential election in Arizona, sir.
mark finchem
So, Steve, we've held all along that the DOJ was looking at the wrong organization.
They were looking at the Senate and the Senate's security.
They should have been looking at Maricopa County because everything that we've seen so far, at least in my experience as a criminal investigator, we are now moved from incompetence into the world of criminality.
These are purposeful acts.
These are not some accident.
The removal of tags on the bags that hold the ballots, the destruction of hard drive evidence, That just is, and the discussion around routers, that information is not supposed to be mixed that may be going to NCIC.
That's all supposed to be secure.
So these are all purposeful things that are going on.
This isn't some random accident.
So I think the president really set it up well.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to get your social media.
You're saying, hey Bannon, when you really see this, these are not acts of omission.
You think this is directionally acts of co-mission.
Is that correct?
mark finchem
That's absolutely what I think.
steve bannon
Okay, what's your social media, Fincham?
You've been on this from the beginning.
How do people follow you?
mark finchem
Find me out on Gab at AZ Honeybadger.
They can find me on Parler.
Just type in Mark Fincham.
It's spelled F-I-N-C-H-E-M.
And if people want to subscribe to the journal, they can.
Mark Fincham at me.com.
And then of course they can look by me at votefincham.com as well.
steve bannon
Thank you, Mark.
I appreciate it.
People, you know, even conservative media wants to look away from this.
You can't look away from this.
Remember, the Senate, and particularly people overseeing this, these are not fire-breathing Trump movement people.
Okay?
And look at what they found just in a couple of weeks.
We're going to get Boris Epstein in here to break it down and analyze all of it.
Shocking.
Nothing short of shocking.
When we return in the War Room.
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War Room Pandemic with Stephen K Banham.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
Here's your host Stephen K Banham.
steve bannon
Okay, Mike Lindell's been fighting this fight for a while, and hey, like I said, there's a bid and the ask on who's done what and what's happened and all that, but there was a letter last night.
We're going to get Boris Epstein in here in a moment to break it all down.
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Boris, you've been out there the first 24-48 hours after November 3rd.
If you had told me in May of 2021 that the President of the Senate, Karen Fann, who is as straightforward and proactive, but not a fire breather, Right?
If she had sent a letter like this to Maricopa County with these allegations of what they found just in three weeks of doing a forensic hand audit, I would say impossible.
Not given what the Maricopa Board of Supervisors said and all the, you know, Katie Hobbs and Maricopa County, everybody saying over and over and over again, this was the most secure, procedurally best, election in in arizona history and have it may have uh... you know erin burnett every night with her mantra how many audits you've already done to what you are done to audits so when i look at these three major piece will get to the legal part a second for us
All three of them are massive.
I happen to think the data, the deletion of the data files, of the data files not being there is the biggest, but I want you, you've been closer to this than anybody.
As you see this, knowing the history and knowing else what's going to be ground, what are grinding through in the weeks to come, in your mind, explain to the audience what these three things are and rank order them as far as shocking.
boris epshteyn
Steve, that's exactly what I'm doing.
So I'm taking a look here at the letter in depth.
We've been going through it ever since the first copy emerged, really, last night.
The key here is that this letter breaks down deep, deep, really unbelievable deficiencies that have been found while only going through about, at most, 20% of the 2.1 million ballots that are being reviewed.
And we haven't even gotten Into the canvas yet.
This is all in the audit.
So, the first part is, the first part of the letter, there it is right there, the first part of the letter, very important, talks about ongoing non-compliance with the subpoena, so things that haven't been turned over, the non-cooperation, let's put it this way, between the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors and the Arizona State Senate, the auditors, which are doing the work.
Number two is shocking.
Number two, chain of custody and ballot organization anomalies, That makes it seem like the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors treated these ballots like throwaway toys at a carnival.
Okay?
Not secured.
Seals cut.
Bags.
These ballots were stuffed into anything and everything.
Completely mismanaged.
And then, the key.
That chart that they had with the missing ballots.
Can we put that up on screen, please, Denver?
Because this is the key, and you've got to do the math here.
In section number two, they break down the missing ballots, and they give examples of pallets.
And if you look at the numbers, there's one pallet where there's supposed to be 200 ballots, and there's 165 ballots.
and there's 165 ballots. That is a discrepancy of 35 out of 200. 17.5 percent.
unidentified
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
steve bannon
Remember, whether it's in Georgia or the whole concept is chain of custody.
It's not about all votes count, it's all legitimate, legal, chain of custody votes count.
Now, I want legal votes count.
Now, I want to get back, in Denver, you get a shot, the guys in Denver, get that, it's got that, it's that chart.
Here's the way Fan laid it out.
Fan laid it out as far as just raw numbers.
The audience needs to focus on what Boris is saying.
Boris, walk us through slowly again.
It's not just the raw numbers, it's the percentages.
Go ahead, walk us through it again slowly.
boris epshteyn
If we can get that chart up, Denver, that'd be very important, very useful.
Look at the chart.
steve bannon
Where's the letter?
boris epshteyn
To everybody who is at home looking at the letter, look at Section 2.
And I'll walk you through it here while Denver puts it up.
If you look at the chart, it says Pallet 5.
Okay, 200 total, 198.
Discrepancies, 2.
Look at the next one.
Pallet 5.
Batch 9, 2, 7, 6.
unidentified
200.
boris epshteyn
Pink slip total.
Actual total, 165.
They are missing 35 ballots out of that batch.
The last batch, they're missing 10.
steve bannon
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
But give me percentages.
The percentages key.
boris epshteyn
35 out of 200.
I don't need the picture.
unidentified
I don't need the picture of Boris and Steve.
boris epshteyn
The audience knows who we are.
steve bannon
I want people to understand this.
boris epshteyn
Do you know how shocking that is?
17.5% discrepancy in a batch is beyond belief.
steve bannon
Denver, I don't need the picture of Boris and Steve.
The audience knows who we are.
I need up there the letter.
You don't have to promote yourself, Boris.
Just put the letter up there.
You see the chart?
boris epshteyn
The next page, please.
steve bannon
This explodes off the page when you know what you're looking for.
unidentified
To have something that has a 17... We need the chart.
boris epshteyn
That's what explodes off the page.
It's that chart.
And if you take one more step and you divide the difference into the total and get the percentage of error It is shocking.
That should be .00001.
Out of 10,000 ballots, they should maybe miss one.
Okay?
Out of 200, they're missing 35.
Out of 200, they're missing 13.
And one, they've got 18 more than they're supposed to be.
Which is a 9% discrepancy.
So it's going both ways.
Again, if we are to have any confidence in elections in this country, How can we possibly be okay with discrepancies of double-digit percentages?
It's absolutely mind-boggling.
Anything above a tiny fraction of a percentage is unacceptable.
And by the way, unacceptable according to the Federal Elections Commission.
So now we know.
steve bannon
But hang on, but hang on.
Keep in perspective.
We've just got to do some math here.
Keep in perspective.
Under 20%, it's a three-legged stool.
You've got the forensic hand audit, you've got the canvassing, and then you have the machines where they've done the facsimile, you know, they're studying those now.
Under 20% of the Hand Forensic audit, remember MSNBC's people have been laughing all week, oh they're looking at Bamboo for China, this is all a joke, this is a clown show.
Note to self, mainstream media, that's not what they were looking for.
What they were doing is right here, okay, and you've been outed.
Now, Boris, and this shows you we're under, look at those percentages, and we're under 20% have actually had a Hand Forensic check.
This is what you've found so far.
And quite frankly, I am shocked that it started off with these type of discrepancies.
Now, we've got to get into the legal, Boris.
We've only got a couple of minutes.
Fincham says, hey, look, this is not acts of omission.
This is not incompetence.
He thinks this slides into criminality.
What say you, Boris?
boris epshteyn
Well, let's go to the next part.
Number three is missing databases.
They've got a database called Results Tally and Reporting that is missing.
Results, tally, and reporting.
That database has been removed.
Literally, the only thing that matters, which is the part of the file which keeps the results and how they were tallied and reported, that's missing.
And there's evidence that these databases were removed as recently as March, right before being handed over, and these were subject to subpoena.
That is criminal activity.
That is absolutely wrongful You can call it whatever you want.
You can call it distortion of evidence.
You can call it evidence tempering.
Whatever you want to call it, that is absolutely wrongful and criminal, and has to be investigated.
Because there has been a subpoena on this thing for months now.
There's been a subpoena from the State Senate for all of this information from the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.
steve bannon
14 December.
boris epshteyn
And on their own volition, they've deleted information, deleted databases, Someone's going to jail.
Can we go back out 10,000 feet for one second?
Okay, here's the chart.
Real quick.
Percentages.
So, look at the pink slip total.
That's how many you're supposed to have in there.
Okay?
Look at the first one.
Fine.
Two missing out of 200.
That's one point percentage off.
Look at the next one.
35 missing out of 200 in that batch.
That is a 17.5% discrepancy.
Look at the next one.
13 missing out of 200.
That is a 6.5% discrepancy.
Next one, there's 18 more!
Magically, the ballots showed up!
18 more ballots than there were supposed to be.
9% discrepancy.
Next one, 10 out of 197 approximately, 5.8% discrepancy.
This is staggering, folks.
unidentified
If you don't look at anything else in this letter, look at this chart.
steve bannon
We'll hit the chart. Okay, real quickly because we've got to bounce, I know you've got to bounce.
DOJ, do they see this now and realize, hey, if we don't shut this thing down now, it's only going to explode worse. What do you think is going to happen court-wise? Because it's a public hearing that's been called for, but they haven't subpoenaed anybody.
Got about a minute. Walk us through what's going to happen.
boris epshteyn
Public hearing called for next Tuesday, the 18th at one o'clock.
If the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors do not show, expect subpoenas to fly.
That is the next date that you have to be looking forward to.
Signal, not noise.
Next Tuesday.
But go back 10,000 feet.
The issue here is that we now know why the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors have been fighting this subpoena so hard.
Why Perkins Coy's come in?
Why the Democrats are pushing back?
Why you've got mainstream media melting down?
They've got the ballots.
They've got the ballots, Rachel Maddow.
Because they're hiding this.
They're hiding the disaster in which they handled this election and likely the fact that Joe Biden did not win in Arizona.
steve bannon
Okay, Boris, real quickly, your social media.
People got to follow you during the day on this.
boris epshteyn
This is huge.
At BorisCP on Twitter.
Boris underscore Epstein.
Boris underscore EPSHTYN on the ground.
We're going to come in hot all day.
At BorisCP on Twitter.
Stay strong.
God bless.
All eyes on Arizona.
steve bannon
Arizona.
Thank you very much.
We're going to get back.
The Hoffs are going to be in later in the show, in the second hour, to go through Arizona again.
We'll be all over this and other states.
Short commercial break.
We return.
We've got an American hero and patriot.
Colonel Lawrence Sellin joins us next.
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War Room Pandemic with Stephen K. Banham.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
Here's your host Stephen K. Banham.
You're coming up against something we've never seen before in any vaccination program or any public health program, which is a partisan resistance to vaccination.
This is in addition to other hesitancies that other populations have, but there is a partisan resistance.
And that is among people, many of whom fail what is a basic mental competency test.
Who is the President of the United States?
They actually get that question wrong.
How are you going to convince them to get the vaccine?
joe biden
They're showing up.
All this stuff about vaccine hesitancy?
The truth of the matter is, more and more and more people are getting the vaccine.
And so I've never believed that there would be a large percentage of Americans who wouldn't get the vaccine.
What's the best way?
You know, you used to do local politics 100 years ago.
What happens?
When your neighbor gets a vaccine, your next-door neighbor gets it, you say, well...
Maybe I should get it.
And no matter what your position was, when you see people in a position where you can easily get the vaccine, you don't have to go way out of your way.
That's why you see I was doing some meetings with folks who are providing, for example, and the governor of Maine, a Republican, is saying, if you want to get a free hunting license, come get a vaccine.
Well, people are showing up.
People are showing up across the board.
So the idea, I've never believed that at the end of the day there would be any large percentage of Americans who would not get the vaccine.
unidentified
Anyone under the age of 18 that wants a free college scholarship, they would qualify for state universities in Ohio.
And for anyone over the age of 18, And that's almost five million people that have received at least one shot so far, Stephanie.
Adults, they would qualify for weekly drawings for a million dollar prize.
And there's five of them, Stephanie.
This is using federal coronavirus relief funds to do that.
As a basis of comparison, so worst case scenario, your odds are one in five million that you get a million bucks that week just for getting a shot.
steve bannon
Okay, you're back in the War Room, and we weren't going to do cold open, so we've got so much news to break today.
We have a little technical issue we're trying to get Colonel Asselin up here in a second.
But before I bring him in, I just want to make sure, you know, yesterday McCarthy comes out and says, nobody's even questioning the election on November 3rd.
Nobody's questioning.
There's not a question of that.
We've moved on.
And then you got Joe Biden.
There's no hesitancy.
Look, we're not anti-vaxxers here by a long shot, right?
We're not anti-vaxxers by a long shot.
But I got to tell you, a lot of folks have basic questions about the vaccine and they want them answered.
And they don't want celebrities and they don't want people, you know, pounding all over them to get this.
They want straight answers.
And so I think you're seeing, you know, people naturally are hesitant.
And now you're seeing the government, that last thing, they're offering million dollar lotteries in Ohio with your tax.
That is all coming out of the COVID-19 relief bill, the billions of dollars to sell the vaccines.
Joe Biden said, I haven't seen any hesitancy.
Okay.
I think you're not going to get to herd immunity.
You're not going to get to herd immunity because you don't calculate people have had the virus before and you haven't explained that.
None of this has been explained.
That's what I want to bring in now, really an American hero and a true patriot, Colonel Sullen.
Lawrence Sullen, who's been doing so much incredible work on this, and Colonel, you know, we've said for a long time, we can't go forward until we get to the bottom of November 3rd, and until we get to the bottom of what happened in the Wuhan lab, and you've just been doing heroic work on the Wuhan lab situation.
Now, we didn't have time to play a big cold open for you, but you've had, obviously, Tony Fauci now is up On Capitol Hill.
Rand Paul's been drilling him.
Tucker Carlson said there ought to be a criminal investigation.
Rand Paul went back up on Newsmax, I think on the Rob Schneider Show, and said, hey, Fauci's lying.
We've had Natalie Winters, the investigative reporters, Dr. Lee Mignon, all of them say, hey, Fauci's lying.
Walk us through your investigation and where do you think, because we say we can't go forward till we get to the bottom of Wuhan.
So, in your professional opinion, where do we stand with Wuhan?
What happened?
And is Tony Fauci, at the end of the day, one of the key people responsible for funding the gain-of-function research that took place in this unsupervised laboratory?
unidentified
Well, let me first say that there's no question that COVID-19 comes from the laboratory.
I think the only thing we need to determine now is whether, how it was released, whether it was an accident or intentional.
Now I have some very bad news for Tony Fauci.
First, let me thank the young Lao-Beijing men and women who've been helping me with the Chinese documents.
But the news about Fauci is that just last August, a scientific article was published Which describes a collaborative study between the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston.
Now, this research has all the hallmarks of classical gain-of-function research.
What they did was take a pre-epidemic harmless Zika virus And they genetically manipulated it to make it dangerous.
Now, that study was funded by five research grants.
Four of those grants came from Anthony Fauci's institute.
The fifth grant was from the CDC.
Now, if you look in the acknowledgement section, the authors thank a high-level Chinese military officer For his advice.
So what we can conclude from this is that Anthony Fauci seems to be still funding gain-of-function research that has occurred within the last two years and that the Chinese military is involved in the planning and execution of this research.
steve bannon
Let me just go back for a second.
You said it's beyond doubt now about it being from the lab and man-enhanced.
Jessica, you take a couple minutes because the mainstream media, I'm sure, is going to blow up.
They said this is all a bunch of wingnut conspiracy.
We've been saying this from, you know, January, February of last year.
Walk through just your two or three points that shows you that beyond a doubt this did not come from a bat cave down near the Laotian border and somehow miraculously get up a thousand miles without touching anybody to a wet market.
unidentified
Well, first of all, no one from the side that said it occurred naturally has been able to show where it came from.
I mean, it's been over a year now, and they have no evidence whatsoever.
But there are clearly anomalies.
If you just look at the structure of the COVID-19, the anomalies tell you that there's something wrong here.
I mean, first of all, it looked like it was pre-adapted for human infection.
But the smoking gun, the clear smoking gun, is what is called the furine cleavage site.
It was inserted into a bat coronavirus, and we know that the Chinese scientists know how to insert them.
But primarily, there's absolutely no evolutionary pathway for that furine cleavage site.
to get into COVID-19.
So in my opinion, it's crystal clear that this came from the laboratory.
We just have to understand how it was released.
steve bannon
Let me go back to another question.
We had, you know, was it Barrick, Ralph Barrick at University of North Carolina?
Now you've brought up University of Texas, which we saw months ago, and you've done the detailed research to say, do they have an association with the PLA?
How did Explain to our audience, because they're in shock, how did American taxpayer money, through an institution that's kind of revered as NIH was before the pandemic, and CDC, how did they get in the business of funding some of America's greatest universities, University of North Carolina, University of Texas at Galveston, in situations of such
Potentially deadly research and in that research partnering with or having partners or access to labs that are obviously controlled by or in partnership with the People's Liberation Army that is our sworn enemy.
How did that happen?
unidentified
Well first of all the National Institutes of Health has no national security accountability.
So it's really out of control in that respect.
I think many scientists simply want to be on the cutting edge, so they engage in this gain-of-function research.
This is a very big problem.
It's widespread.
From our evidence, we can conclude that the U.S.
virus research program is massively infiltrated by China, including the Chinese military.
But let me just go back to this one article I just mentioned.
As an example, the principal investigator is an individual called Pei Yang Shi.
Now, he was trained in the People's Republic of China, and now he is a professor at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston.
At the same time, he is an honorary professor at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, He conducts research with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and it appears he is training people from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
But more than that, he has multiple connections and is conducting research with scientists from the People's Liberation Army.
And let me give you one example of that.
He is doing research with a group That appears to be controlled by the People's Liberation Army, and is in fact, or appears to be, let me say, part of the core element of China's biowarfare program.
So this is really a massive problem, and people are looking at the University of North Carolina and EcoHealth Alliance, but it's only the tip of the iceberg.
I think the University of Texas Medical Branch, which has a Big Department of Defense Center there.
It also has a biosafety level 4 facility.
There's a lot going on there in terms of what the Chinese are doing for infiltrating our programs.
Let me just say, this is a rigged poker game, and we're bleeding chips.
steve bannon
This gets to the point where we're going to be spending time with Colonel Sullen and others to get to the bottom of this.
We've only got a minute, a couple minutes in this segment, a minute, and then we're going to bring you back.
Colonel Sullen, you said something very powerful.
The National Institute of Health has really had no national security aspect to it, although they're funding research in weaponization.
That's what it is.
Gain of function is a fancy scientific term for weaponization of these viruses.
It was the Obama National Security Council After seeing, I think, Barrick's research in peer-reviewed journals in 2014, sir, that literally shut this game down, right?
Didn't they say, hey, this is too dangerous.
We've got to take a pause on this.
We've got to take a pause in doing it here in the United States.
We have to take a pause on funding it.
Does that show you how out of control it was when the Obama administration's NSC had to say, hey, we need to take a pause in here?
And there's actually a pause, I think, for three or four years.
You've got about a minute before we go to break.
unidentified
Well, even the Obama administration probably didn't understand what was going on in the National Institutes of Health.
If you actually look at the letter that they sent out, at the bottom of it, they said that, well, this pause doesn't necessarily apply to everyone and you can apply for an exemption to the pause.
So it was never really enforced.
And it's not just coronaviruses.
The article that I mentioned has to do with Zika viruses, and this is a completely different virus, which is things like Japanese encephalitis, dengue fever, yellow fever, West Nile.
These are viruses that affect the central nervous system.
So this could be extremely dangerous if there's gain-of-function research being done with those viruses as well.
steve bannon
Colonel Sellin, I'll just take a short commercial break.
We're going to return with you in a moment.
Colonel Lawrence Sellin, who's investigating basically the influence that the Chinese Communist Party and the PLA actually have in the research that's going on, paid for, guess by whom?
You, the deplorables.
Your tax dollars go into this.
unidentified
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OK, I want to turn now back to Dr. excuse me, Colonel Lawrence Sellin.
Colonel, these are pretty explosive.
Allegations, but you're backing up with documentation that we're going to put into the live chat and online immediately after Colonel Sullivan's on.
We have Lou Barletta next, the great Lou Barletta from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is going to join us in the next segment.
Colonel, I want to just go back, hit the rewind button.
The funding that's been coming out of NIH by these articles you're putting up Going through, it used to go through University of North Carolina, but this is going through the University of Texas at Galveston, which has a major defense department bio-research center there.
So walk us through it.
The PLA, and you say they give recognition and acknowledgement to a PLA officer that's part of their program, that's also a joint professor at, or is jointly on the staff at Wuhan.
Can you walk us back through that?
Because this is pretty explosive.
And it was still done, I guess in 2020, when I think the president Trump ordered everything to be stopped in the spring.
I believe it was April or May of 2020.
We'll get the specific date.
Is this what you're saying that this grant shows?
unidentified
Well, the grant is ongoing.
Many of these people are still funded and I have to go look to see if they're still doing gain of function.
But this was published in August of last year and submitted in March of last year, which I was right in the middle of the pandemic and they're like bragging about their gain-of-function research in a way.
But this is a widespread problem.
As I said, it's not just the University of North Carolina or the EcoHealth Alliance or the University of Texas at Medical Branch at Galveston.
It's all over the country.
And this has been occurring since the 1990s.
I call it scientific chain migration.
PLA scientists started coming, actually came in, most of them, into Anthony Fauci HIV AIDS program, and from there they went to other institutes.
There's one called Shibo Jiang, who's a graduate of the Military Medical University in China, Came to the United States first at the Rockefeller University, then landed a permanent position at the Lindsey Kimball Institute of the New York Blood Center.
And he developed a huge network within the United States, working with Barrick, working with University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, working in a number of places.
Then he started bringing in other PLA scientists or PLA-connected scientists.
So you had a whole chain of migration of scientists coming from China, being trained here, providing the information back to China, some of which went to the Chinese military because many of these are military people, and brought all the skills, knowledge, and even some of the funding back to China.
So, in essence, we've been funding the Chinese virus program and probably the military as well.
steve bannon
Okay, why are we in May of 2020?
We've only got a couple of minutes.
Why are we in May of 2021?
I've got Natalie Winters, who is a 19-year-old young woman at the University of Chicago at National Pulse.
I've got Dr. Lee Min Yang, who's a defector from Hong Kong, the great lab at Hong Kong University.
I've got Colonel Selin, Anthony Fauci has been on two million media hits, he's been up to Capitol Hill every other day for a year and a half.
Why have these questions, the first questions start to be asked by Rand Paul the other day, why have this level of detail not been asked by folks that have responsibility for oversight on Capitol Hill, sir?
unidentified
Because nobody wants to ask the questions.
Some of the scientists are culpable.
One can say that that Fauci may be culpable.
But in general, the people in Congress and the intelligence agencies, they basically work for the oligarchy.
And the oligarchy is making a lot of money with China.
So nobody wants to investigate this because the investigation of this massive infiltration, for example, Would upset the profits that the people in power are making with China.
So nobody wants to ask those questions.
steve bannon
It's not a conspiracy.
It's just the way the system works.
Colonel Selland, how do people get access?
We're going to have you back on.
Obviously, the audience reveres you.
How do people get access to you, your writings, any social media?
How do they get access to you?
unidentified
OK, you can follow me on Twitter at Lawrence Selland.
There's a running update of everything we're doing in terms of this investigation.
Also look at YouTube.
I put up two videos on May 4th and May 5th on YouTube, my channel, Lawrence Ellen, that you can listen to and get an idea of some of the details.
steve bannon
We'll put that out in the live chat.
Colonel Sullen, I want to thank you for your patriotism and for your work.
We know this is not easy.
The attacks are non-stop and people got to understand when you start to get to the bottom of the PLA and the CCP, the intense level of blowback is pretty incredible.
So, Colonel Sullen, I want to thank you and appreciate you coming on the show.
unidentified
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
You can't go forward till you get to the bottom of November 3rd, and you can't go forward till you get to the bottom of Wuhan Lab.
They have to be answered.
They're the railhead of how we go forward.
They go, great, reset, build back better, all this nonsense, until you get the facts on the table.
And here you have it.
You've got a, not a war room letter, you've got a letter from the President of the Senate of the state of Arizona that's laid down to say, hey we're going to have a public hearing, how about that?
We're going to have a public hearing next Tuesday and we're going to ask you questions in front of an open mic and we want answers.
Okay?
And if you don't show up we're going to go to court and subpoena you.
Okay?
And now you've got the Wuhan lab gets selling.
How these questions have not been asked on Capitol Hill and gotten to the bottom of In 15 months of this pandemic, right?
How this is now all coming out, we've been talking about it for a year and a half, but now it's coming out and I've got to tell you.
The wall's closing in on Fauci.
You cannot run and hide from the funding, you can't run and hide from the research that was done, the participants in this, and this is a national disgrace.
We're going to turn in a minute.
We've got one of the most practical thinkers and politicians in the country, Lou Barletta, who's going to talk to us about this gas situation up in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
What can be done about it?
All next in The War Room.
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