May 5, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It is the one country in the world that has the military, economic, diplomatic capacity to undermine or challenge the rules-based order that we care so much about and are determined to defend. | ||
| But I want to be very clear about something, and this is important. | ||
| Our purpose is not to contain China, to hold it back, to keep it down. | ||
| It is to uphold this rules-based order that China is posing a challenge to. | ||
| Anyone who poses a challenge to that order, we're going to stand up and defend it. | ||
| What's China's goal? | ||
| I think that over time, China believes that it can be and should be and will be the dominant country in the world. | ||
| Okay, welcome back to the War Room. | ||
| Now, closing in on 51 million downloads on the podcast. | ||
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| Okay, we're very honored to have Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri, author, I need everybody in this posse to saddle up right now, The Tyranny of Big Tech, and a couple things about this. | ||
| I want to compliment the heroism of the team over at Regnery. | ||
| Regnery obviously has a long tradition of publishing conservative books, books from conservative authors. | ||
| They stepped up here during cancel culture and the team over there very quickly put out just an incredible, incredible book, The Tyranny of Big Tech. | ||
| It's a must-read. | ||
| Not simply for the fact that this young man is someone that people have to get to know and understand, because he is a driving force in American politics. | ||
| He's also a fire-breathing populist. | ||
| But in addition, to support Regnery, I need everybody now in this, we pride ourselves, we made Josh Rogan's book number one, right? | ||
| Everybody tells him, Clyde Prestowitz yesterday, The World Turned Upside Down, the book on China, that blew up yesterday. | ||
| We have a reputation of being the Deplorables activist channel, and we're proud of the fact that we sell more books than anybody. | ||
| People in the publishing industry know this, so I want to bring in now Senator Josh Hawley. | ||
| Senator, a lot of people are hyping this book, are talking about this book, you know, Facebook, Google, all that, and it's got all that. | ||
| But the reason people should read this book, it goes to the heart of the revolutionary spirit that formed this country. | ||
| It goes to the heart of what America is and the ideas. | ||
| You know, Joe Scarborough is, you know, mocking us every day, oh, this is not about ideas, you know, the party of ideas of the old Republican Party, this is not about ideas. | ||
| You go back to the very foundation, and even before that, Of this nation, of this concept of aristocracy and faction, to the heart of what the issue today, the signal, not the noise. | ||
| So can you please start off and just walk us through the theory of the case, according to Josh Hawley, of why this is a very American issue that we're dealing with now, when we look at this kind of liberal order that the capital markets and the global corporatists, the party of Davos, the World Economic Forum, all of them have kind of imposed or has kind of evolved Absolutely. | ||
| Thank you, Steve, for having me on. | ||
| And listen, here's where I would start. | ||
| The United States was founded on a fundamental conviction that was unique. | ||
| No other republic had been founded like ours was. | ||
| Heck, there weren't republics. | ||
| When our country was founded, here's the conviction. | ||
| That the common man and woman, the everyday working person, could be a citizen, could be in charge of their government. | ||
| In fact, Thomas Jefferson would say, the most valuable of citizens. | ||
| Who are they? | ||
| Not the elite, not the aristocracy, not the landed wealthy class, no. | ||
| It's the people who work with their hands. | ||
| It's the people who are out there cultivating and tilling their fields. | ||
| It's the farmers, it's the workers. | ||
| They're the most valuable. | ||
| That's revolutionary, Steve. | ||
| I mean, that was a new concept in human history. | ||
| Nobody, no country before ours had said the country is going to be founded on these folks and on this conviction that they're the ones who ought to actually run the government, run the country, that they're the ones who are the most valuable citizens. | ||
| And because of that, Our framers wanted a certain kind of political economy. | ||
| They wanted to structure society in a particular way, and their big enemy was aristocracy. | ||
| That was their sworn enemy. | ||
| They did not want rule by the few. | ||
| They did not want rule by the rich. | ||
| They did not want rule by the elites. | ||
| You know, our founders really get a bad rap. | ||
| The lefty revisionists often say, oh, the framers They were all a bunch of rich white men, rich white old men. | ||
| They just wanted to preserve their own power. | ||
| That's what our revolution was about. | ||
| Absolutely not true. | ||
| You look at the ideals of our revolution. | ||
| Our revolution is about empowering the common person, the ordinary person, and the working people. | ||
| And so you look at what our framers did. | ||
| They were very hostile to monopolies. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because monopolies, in their mind, represented concentrated power in the hands of a few. | ||
| Honest with you, Steve, they were also pretty hostile to corporations. | ||
| And the truth is the corporate form was barred in all American states for decades after the founding. | ||
| You could only use it for educational institutions, for churches, religious groups, and then for some public works projects that the local governments or state governments would oversee. | ||
| But the corporate form wasn't available to business generally for decades and decades. | ||
| And why was that? | ||
| It's because the founding generation and those first generations of Americans really feared that if you let the corporate form be widely used, it would result in monopoly, which would result in aristocracy. | ||
| So, you fast forward, you get up to about a century ago, and you had a whole group of people who started to argue, you know what? | ||
| This concern about concentrated power is way overrated. | ||
| We need to get past that. | ||
| We need to embrace concentrated power. | ||
| That could be good for America, because liberty isn't really about The common person having a say in government. | ||
| Liberty is really about government and the corporate chieftains giving you good stuff that you can enjoy. | ||
| And so you be quiet, go enjoy the stuff that we give you, and let other people run the government. | ||
| And that basically is the theory that comes to animate a lot of the progressive movement, especially in its later stages. | ||
| I want to go back to one other concept you make about a third of the way through the book. | ||
| Let's get to some of the arguments today about the Constitution and actually the ideas and ideals back of all this. | ||
| You make a case that, or they start to argue that, hey, the Framers were smart guys and they were revolutionary for their time, but back then they were children of the Enlightenment, and Newtonian physics, this very mechanistic way to look at the world, has been so far advanced. | ||
| Darwin advanced it, and then the whole thing of relativity and subatomic physics shows that Newtonian physics is actually a thing of the past, and therefore what the Framers thought Was revolutionary for the time, but it doesn't make sense in a modern world. | ||
| We have Darwin and evolution. | ||
| We have, you know, subatomic physics. | ||
| They are really a thing of the past. | ||
| You argue something different. | ||
| Walk us through that because you can see the way you lay it out. | ||
| You see these big fights in the foreground of policy and government are really back deep into really major ideas. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| They go way, way back. | ||
| And what you're alluding to there is, among other people, Woodrow Wilson. | ||
| Of course, got elected president in 1912. | ||
| Woodrow Wilson, he argued that, yeah, the framers, you know, they were advanced for their time, as you put it, Steve, but his big critique of them is they were too Newtonian, that they didn't understand evolution, and where Wilson was going with that was, he said, you know, evolution, what that tells us, according to Wilson, is that organisms, as they evolve, they get more complex and they get bigger. | ||
| And so Wilson said it's natural that society would get bigger, corporations would get bigger, And power would concentrate. | ||
| He thought that that was pretty natural. | ||
| So his idea was, we need to accommodate that. | ||
| And our older tradition that said, you know what, actually, we don't want concentrations of power because that will overwhelm the voice of the common man and woman. | ||
| That will overwhelm the power of the ordinary worker. | ||
| Wilson and other corporatists brushed that aside. | ||
| And they said, yeah, that's an old-fashioned way of thinking. | ||
| You know, actually, Concentrated power can be good if it's appropriately regulated because complexity is good. | ||
| That's evolution. | ||
| And we need to embrace these concentrations. | ||
| We need to embrace bigger government. | ||
| We need to embrace big business. | ||
| We need to embrace globalism. | ||
| Wilson was an early globalist. | ||
| And so you really have that ideology begin to take root in American politics way back a century ago. | ||
| I want to ask, before, we've got a couple minutes to break here, so I'll ask this and I'll get on the other side of break, ask you some details about Facebook and some of the particulars of the book, but here's a question. | ||
| How is it that a guy that goes to Stanford and a guy that goes to Yale Law School And is a, you know, could have been a corporate lawyer, you know, when I was at HBS and went to Goldman, we used to call that getting your ticket punched. | ||
| How does that guy end up going back in public service to be an attorney general, but then end up in the Senate? | ||
| And at the time he ran the Senate, a lot of guys said, oh, this is a Mitch McConnell guy. | ||
| This is Mitch McConnell's safe bet. | ||
| How does that guy from Stanford and from Yale Law School end up being the biggest fire-breathing populist and a man of ideas in the United States Senate? | ||
| Well, just because I believe in the revolutionary movement that is the United States of America. | ||
| You know, we're a revolutionary nation. | ||
| I've always believed that, Steve. | ||
| Actually, if you want to be... It's where I grew up. | ||
| I grew up in a small town in rural Missouri. | ||
| I think, you know, growing up there in the heartland of this country, seeing the value of work being raised and the family I was raised in, I think that shaped my outlook in many, many ways. | ||
| You know, I laugh now. | ||
| Some of my former professors and colleagues at those places, you mentioned Stanford and Yale, but they want my degrees revoked. | ||
| I think that is a great compliment, actually. | ||
| I mean, they're basically saying that, wow, Wally, he doesn't belong. | ||
| I mean, he's not one of us. | ||
| Why didn't we didn't get him appropriately educated? | ||
| You know, thank you is what I had to say to that. | ||
| But listen, we need people who are going to who understand the revolutionary character of America and the revolutionary convictions this nation is built on and want to fight for them. | ||
| Do you think that that is why, by the way, that you're an apostate? | ||
| That you've gone to the proper institutions, but now, particularly, you're attacked and more vilified? | ||
| On mainstream media and by MSNBC, I mean, the level of hatred for you runs very deep, right? | ||
| Do you believe it's because that you came from a small town and you got to these major Ivy League institutions and the faculty clubs and the faculty senates and the people, you know, our bettors in these progressive institutions and mainstream media, they hold that against you? | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And I think they're furious that I would go to those kind of places And then that I wouldn't tow their party line. | ||
| I mean, you know, Steve, that the great divider in our society today is class. | ||
| I mean, this is the desire of our leadership class to control the country, to impose their views on the country, is very, very great. | ||
| The leadership class has never been more powerful. | ||
| And they tend to all go to the same institutions. | ||
| And education really marks out who is in the leadership class and who not. | ||
| And when you dare to challenge them, especially If you've gone to one of their schools, and you're not towing the party line, and you're not saying what you're supposed to say, they just can't stand it. | ||
| And they absolutely lose their minds, and I certainly drive them nuts. | ||
| If the revolutionary generation came back, if the Framers came back today, and to walk in the U.S. | ||
| Senate or walk around Washington, D.C., what would they say, sir? | ||
| I think that they would say that we are in danger of precisely the kind of aristocracy that they said that they were fighting against. | ||
| I think they would look at the concentrated power in government and the concentrated power of these big monopolies and they would say, wow, you are really allowing an aristocracy to run this country. | ||
| you have forgotten the revolutionary premise and promise that we fought for. | ||
| And I think they would say, you know, you've got a lot of work to do and we need some patriots to stand up and say, hold on, hold on. | ||
| We're going to recover the Constitution, the promise of the Declaration, and we're going to recover the promise of this nation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Josh Hawley, United States Senator from Missouri. | ||
| He's the author. | ||
| I want everybody to saddle up now. | ||
| I want to prove to Regnery and others how we outsource everybody. | ||
| I need everybody to go to Amazon to get this book, The Tyranny of Big Tech. | ||
| I know you don't like going to Amazon. | ||
| Probably the quickest way to get it. | ||
| Or go to Regnery's own site. | ||
| By Senator Josh Hawley. | ||
| It was a heroic effort of the team at Regnery. | ||
| I can't compliment them enough to step in when he was cancelled by Simon & Schuster. | ||
| By the way, the same people that gave a payoff to Hunter Biden. | ||
| I think Hunter Biden sold, what, 20,000 books? | ||
| We're going to have a dramatic reading of Hunter Biden in his own voice this Saturday. | ||
| The Saturday special, the two hours we do on Saturday, we're going to actually do some radio theatre. | ||
| Also going to do Sidney Blumenthal's one-act play Donald Trump and myself, but Donald Trump wanted to be the Speaker of the House. | ||
| But I need everybody to go buy right now the tyranny of Big Tech. | ||
| This is not simply about Big Tech and the situation we're in. | ||
| It is a very deep and profound piece of ideas, a thought piece on ideas about the founding of this nation, the revolutionary generation, and That we are a revolutionary country built upon revolutionary ideas that are anti-aristocratic. | ||
| We'll return with Senator Josh Hawley in the War Room in a moment. | ||
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| Pandemic. | ||
| With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| We've got Senator Josh Hawley, one of the driving forces in American politics and the leader of the populist movement in the United States Senate, author of a new book that's just out, Tyranny of Big Tech, by Regnery Press. | ||
| Go to the Regnery site, go to Amazon, order this book today. | ||
| In fact, order multiple copies. | ||
| Make sure you give them to your friends. | ||
| We need to get this book out because of the way it describes and goes through the great fight we had to found this country and what our founders and framers warned us against, which is what we're living today. | ||
| So Senator Hawley, there's so much to go through the book. | ||
| And by the way, it's just not people shit out there. | ||
| It's just not a book about ideas. | ||
| It's got some amazing moments and amazing recommendations. | ||
| I'd like to start with Just, obviously, today's news. | ||
| You know, we had Rahim Ghassan, the National Pulse guys, went through this whole board, the independent board, that sits on Facebook. | ||
| You know, 95% of them have made, you know, hateful comments about President Trump or the populist movement or, you know, MAGA or the deplorables. | ||
| You know, it's all source-backed. | ||
| You've got the Open Society, the Central European University. | ||
| I think he said two-thirds of them are not even American citizens, right? | ||
| Although this is a U.S.-based company that uses U.S. | ||
| law to protect itself throughout the world. | ||
| So, what say you, sir? | ||
| What's your observations on what Facebook did today on the 45th President of the United States? | ||
| You know, I thought what we saw today is a class study, a case study in monopoly power. | ||
| I mean, here we have a corporation, Facebook, that sets up a board. | ||
| By the way, this board isn't independent of Facebook. | ||
| I mean, it's not as if this is a court. | ||
| This is a fake court set up by Facebook to allow Facebook to do whatever Facebook wants to do. | ||
| And that's exactly what they did today. | ||
| They came back and said, yeah, OK, so Facebook, you actually violated your own procedures. | ||
| You didn't follow any of your rules. | ||
| You made it up as you went along. | ||
| But that's OK. | ||
| That's what the board said. | ||
| And of course, if you've been following this, this is not surprising at all. | ||
| This is what Facebook does all the time. | ||
| And this is what you can do when you're a monopoly, because there's no accountability. | ||
| So, you know, 75 million Americans voted for Donald Trump. | ||
| That's a lot of customers out there for Facebook. | ||
| Facebook doesn't care. | ||
| They don't have any real competition. | ||
| So they can go out there. | ||
| and suspend, de-platform a sitting U.S. president. | ||
| They can de-platform conservatives. | ||
| They can go after pro-life groups, as they have repeatedly. | ||
| I talk about that in the book a little bit. | ||
| And there's no accountability. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they are a monopoly, and they've gotten their monopoly status in concert with the United States government. | ||
| To me, that's the problem here. | ||
| So we've always been, you know, as conservatives, and now as the populists, we're the parts of populist and economic nationalists, we've always been more entrepreneurial finance, entrepreneurial capitalism. | ||
| About entrepreneurs more than these corporatists, and particularly, you got the city of London and Wall Street, big capital, big corporations, big government. | ||
| We talked to Clyde Persewicz yesterday. | ||
| China's kind of changed us more than we've changed China. | ||
| We're taking on, and that's why I wanted Blinken to start at the beginning, but the international rules-based order that's allowed the Chinese Communist Party to game the system. | ||
| What is your theory of the case, then, that since we've always been anti-monopolistic and anti-aristocracy, how did we arrive here and what is to be done? | ||
| Well, I think in terms of how we got here, both the left and the right, at least in the establishment, both the left establishment and right establishment, got really comfortable with monopoly power and they got comfortable with concentrated power. | ||
| And part of that was, Steve, is that the people who have the power are always comfortable when they have it. | ||
| And so you have the establishment on the right and the establishment on the left going back really a century. | ||
| And that's the story I tell in the book where they decided, you know what? | ||
| Actually, concentrations of power in the American economy, maybe that's inevitable. | ||
| Let's just make sure that I'm on the right side of them. | ||
| You know, let's just make sure that I get to be the one who regulates them. | ||
| Let's just make sure that I benefit from it. | ||
| And you have the establishments of both parties who became more and more comfortable with that. | ||
| And then that really accelerates in the last 30 years with economic globalism. | ||
| You know, when you get this total global mindset that says that borders are irrelevant, that says that free trade Means lowering all barriers no matter what, no matter how many jobs it costs us that says that the multinational global corporation is the best thing going in business. | ||
| When you adopt that mindset, boy, then you start to get monopoly corporatism on steroids. | ||
| And that's what we've really gotten in the last 30 years plus. | ||
| And again, that's kind of become the consensus position of right and left until recently. | ||
| I mean, until now, just in the last few years with President Trump, Folks who are challenging that consensus and saying, whoa, why would we all be globalists? | ||
| Why would we say that these multinational corporations should get as big as they want, should do whatever they want, should be able to control our economy and control our government? | ||
| So the fight right now is a fight to break up the power of these monopolists, of monopoly companies. | ||
| These big multinationals that are, as you say, Steve, nominally American. | ||
| But, you know, they have no particular loyalty to this country. | ||
| Their loyalty is to their own power. | ||
| And they want to project their power into our politics. | ||
| And the solution to this is a time-honored American solution. | ||
| It's trust-busting. | ||
| So we need to trust-bust Facebook. | ||
| We need to trust-bust Google, Twitter. | ||
| These monopoly platforms need to be broken up. | ||
| I want to go to the odds, the long odds against this and why you're such an important seminal figure in American politics today. | ||
| And when you got here, I mean, the founders would be shocked about this permanent political class that is an aristocracy, along with, you know, the Wall Street and the corporatists. | ||
| When you're in this town, though, Globalism is such a natural part of the oxygen around here. | ||
| It's not a conspiracy. | ||
| We're not conspiracy theory, but we are saying, hey, this is the way the system works. | ||
| Just walk people through the odds against you doing this. | ||
| Because this entire town, for instance, Facebook and these guys have already hired the top lobbyists, they have the best law firms, it's hard to find a law firm to even go after them to really do anti-trust work and to do the attack that you need from representing people. | ||
| Because they buy up the law firms, they buy up the lobbyists, they own the politicians, Right? | ||
| The deplorables' money, it's their pension funds, institutional capital that drive this, but all the money managers, you know, Larry Fink and Schwarzman, these guys, they're all part of it. | ||
| And it's not a conspiracy, it's just the way the system works. | ||
| So how long are the odds against you, sir, in actually bringing this about? | ||
| Well, you know, you're absolutely right about these tech companies and the monopolists, their power in Washington. | ||
| And I talk about this in the book. | ||
| What I've discovered is, They have spent years purchasing influence in this town and they've been really smart about it. | ||
| Part of that was they watched what happened with Microsoft. | ||
| Twenty-plus years ago, when Microsoft had the antitrust suit, and what they concluded from that, they, today's monopolists, concluded from that was, whoa, Microsoft should have gotten in the game. | ||
| They should have gotten to the power center in Washington. | ||
| They should have tried to influence the regulators and the legislators more. | ||
| So Google and Facebook have done that. | ||
| And they have gone to academics, and they've gone to think tanks, and this includes, by the way, conservative think tanks and others. | ||
| They have generously, generously funded A whole legion of pro-tech voices out there in Washington, D.C., and they aggressively recruit former members of congressional staff to come be lobbyists, to come put out think pieces, to spout the party line on these issues. | ||
| And it's effective. | ||
| I mean, they are very, very influential big tech is. | ||
| I don't think there's a more influential A faction. | ||
| Because that's really what they are. | ||
| A more influential faction in this country than the big tech faction. | ||
| And they've spent years investing in it. | ||
| And one anecdote, Steve. | ||
| Back in 2012, the federal government was considering an antitrust suit against Google. | ||
| Now this is the Obama administration, right? | ||
| 2012, the antitrust enforcers recommend a lawsuit. | ||
| What happens? | ||
| Google CEO flies to Washington, comes to the White House, and says, we need to rethink this. | ||
| And you know what happens? | ||
| No suit! | ||
| You know, they back off. | ||
| Now that is power. | ||
| That is power. | ||
| And that's the result of years of investment on their part. | ||
| It got rethought. | ||
| By the way, the book is The Tyranny of Big Tech, and you need everybody to saddle up and get a couple of copies of this, hand it out to your friends, hand it out to your kids. | ||
| You know, Hawley's not anti-tech. | ||
| You're not a Luddite, right, at all. | ||
| And there's so many great pieces in the book, we don't have time, but I just wanted to walk through the first time your first meeting with Zuckerberg, your audience. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Audience is the right word. | ||
| So Mark Zuckerberg had requested that I come to see him. | ||
| You know, please come and be educated, basically. | ||
| He wanted me to come out to California. | ||
| I said, uh, no way. | ||
| I'm not going out to California to Facebook headquarters. | ||
| I know how that works. | ||
| You go out there and they turn it into a photo op and they say, see, you know, we've got, we've gotten Senator Hawley correct on these issues. | ||
| I said, if you want to talk, you'd come see me. | ||
| So he came to DC. | ||
| He comes, he delivers himself to my door over at my, my Senate office. | ||
| And he comes in, you know, with his government affairs people, lobbyists, and, Of course, press people everywhere. | ||
| And he sits down, and I can see that what he thought would happen was, he thought, you know, listen, I'll explain how the world works to Josh, and then Josh will understand that he's wrong, and that Facebook is a wonderful company that is the future of technology and the future of the American economy, and he'll leave us alone. | ||
| Unfortunately, that's not really how the meeting went. | ||
| You know, I sat there and I said, listen, if you're serious, Mark, about everything you say, or if you're serious about competition, for instance, here's what you should do. | ||
| You should sell off Instagram. | ||
| And you should sell off WhatsApp. | ||
| Which are two companies he bought, of course, because he didn't want the competition. | ||
| And I'll never forget, Steve, he looked at me. | ||
| There was dead silence in the room. | ||
| And he looked at me, and I could tell at first he thought this is a joke. | ||
| And then when he could see I was serious, he got very angry. | ||
| And he said, I can't believe you'd even say that. | ||
| I don't even know what to say to that. | ||
| And I said, say yes. | ||
| Say yes. | ||
| Prove that you're serious. | ||
| Say yes. | ||
| So the meeting did not go very well. | ||
| But, you know, at least I think Mr. Zuckerberg understood that I meant business, and that if he really wants to be serious about being a company, and he tried to portray Facebook as kind of an American champion, you know, which all of a sudden now their American identity is looming very large in his rhetoric. | ||
| I said, that's nice, but why don't you actually do something for Americans? | ||
| Why don't you actually do something for American workers, for American citizens? | ||
| And I challenged him to no action. | ||
| Senator Hawley, the book is The Tyranny of Big Tech. | ||
| Everybody's got to get this. | ||
| Let's drive this up to be a New York Times No. | ||
| 1 bestseller. | ||
| The team at Regnery, it's an amazing book. | ||
| Everybody's got to get this. | ||
| Senator Hawley, I just want to make sure before you bounce, I know you're busy. | ||
| This audience, you've got so much support throughout this country. | ||
| People are pulling for you every day, and remember, the reason you're being viciously attacked is you are over the target. | ||
| So our audience, the only thing our live audience says is don't ever stop fighting. | ||
| You're really someone that's in their prayers, in their thoughts constantly. | ||
| So just keep fighting and thank you so much for coming into the War Room. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Okay, Senator Josh Hawley, the book is The Tyranny of Big Tech. | ||
| If you want to be on the cutting edge of what this populist movement's about, and particularly a young man who's dedicated himself to ideas. | ||
| When you hear Joe Scarborough and you hear these people, oh it's all about the big line, these are a bunch of, they breathe through their mouths, this is ignorant. | ||
| Read The Tyranny of Big Tech. | ||
| Understand that Josh Hawley's on your side of the football. | ||
| These are big ideas. | ||
| They're meaningful ideas. | ||
| They're ideas that go back to the founding of the country and to the core of the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| Josh Hawley, the book is Tyranny of Big Tech. | ||
| We'll return in a moment. | ||
| Live update from Michigan on voter integrity next in The War Room. | ||
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| Support Mike Lindell, the freedom fighters over there. | ||
| And boy, he's over the target right now. | ||
| He's so over the target. | ||
| Lindell's one of the 20 guys that there are 20 men and women that the DNC is actually doing official oppo on. | ||
| To get to every aspect. | ||
| What I recommend to the DNC, don't need to do the op-out, just go buy his book. | ||
| Buy his book, you see everything about the crack, you see everything about the cocaine, you see everything about the card counting, the life of complete and total debauchery he led before he found God and committed himself to Christ and turned it around. | ||
| By the way, we're going to have the guys, we're too jammed today because we've got so much going on, but this afternoon we're going to have the Lyndale Recovery Network folks on to talk about a new podcast they're launching. | ||
| Speaking of podcasts, We've got the mother of all podcasts with us. | ||
| It'd be Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| Do we have Rudy? | ||
| We're also going to get Matt DiPerna from Michigan in a second. | ||
| Rudy, there's this huge fight over with Liz Cheney, you know, she's not on message and she comes out and, you know, we had the cold open earlier about, you know, she's saying this all about a big lie and Liz's spokesman comes out and says Liz is not going to lie about this. | ||
| What's happening in Arizona, everybody's got to remember this. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I don't care about all the lies you've heard for some of these flakes and nutcases that are associated with this movement. | ||
| And there are some nutcases and some bad people, which I'll get into in the days and weeks ahead. | ||
| But we would not be in Arizona, hand auditing, doing a forensic audit of 2.1 million ballots if it was not for Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| We would not be able to take this fight to Georgia where we're going to take it and have this populist revolt at the at the precinct level and eventually get a special session in Georgia to do exactly what's going on in Arizona. | ||
| It was not for Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| DiPerno in Michigan, all the great fight he's had and he's going to come up with big updates. | ||
| That lawyer, that lawyer up there was over a school board decision. | ||
| He's another hero. | ||
| Rudy Giuliani was in Michigan. | ||
| Rudy Giuliani started in Gettysburg with these things. | ||
| That took an amount of bravery. | ||
| Remember, he is mocked and ridiculed and the knife was put in his back by, hey, guess what? | ||
| A lot of people around the President, who he understands today, did not have his back in this fight. | ||
| And he's now very engaged in this. | ||
| President Trump is very engaged in this and sees what happened. | ||
| He understands what happens. | ||
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| It was Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| That's what courage is. | ||
| Courage is, and this is why Churchill said, courage is the key of all the virtues, the most important of all virtues, because it is upon courage that all the other virtues rest. | ||
| That's why Josh Hawley's important. | ||
| That's why Mike Lindell's important. | ||
| That's why Rudy Giuliani is important. | ||
| And look at Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| You know why the timing of this? | ||
| Look, these are smart people. | ||
| Don't think the people that are opposed to us are not smart. | ||
| Why did they come in the other day to Rudy Singh when his lawyer's been in conversation? | ||
| They could have done a subpoena or got the lawyer in the office. | ||
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| Why'd they got to do that? | ||
| They need to make sure that MSNBC and CNN have content they can drive 24-7. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because we're in Arizona where Rudy Giuliani started it in that Hyatt Hotel in the Regency, the Hyatt Regency, in Phoenix with his 14-hour presentation. | ||
| With, guess what, many of the people that are involved in this forensic audit of the 2.1 million ballots. | ||
| They need to take Rudy Giuliani off the table. | ||
| They need to have Rudy Giuliani caught up in all this whirlwind of all this thing of a fire violation. | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| There's 10,000 fire violations in this town, in this city, every day. | ||
| Disgusting hypocrites. | ||
| The Biden family totally compromised. | ||
| Owen and Blinken and Sullivan. | ||
| Talk about fire violations. | ||
| Completely revolting. | ||
| It's so stupid and we're not going to back down from it. | ||
| We don't care what you do. | ||
| And I tell you who's not going to back down from it. | ||
| The guy who put the five families away. | ||
| The guy that broke the cartel of Mike Milken and these devils on Wall Street back in the 80s. | ||
| The Elliot Ness of his generation, Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| I now bring on the mayor. | ||
| Mayor, thank you very much for joining us. | ||
| What say you, sir? | ||
| Thank you for the introduction, my goodness. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So where are we, Rudy? | ||
| Forget about the Southern District, that thing's so ridiculous, it's so offensive. | ||
| It's offensive. | ||
| It's offensive because it's so stupid. | ||
| The same group of clowns, the same clown show, just watch it, the same clown show that did the whole Russia hoax for years and had all this breaking news. | ||
| Russia's a sideshow. | ||
| Nothing happened. | ||
| They're all Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. | ||
| It's a total sideshow. | ||
| You got Brennan and all this. | ||
| And the whole Justice Department under bar. | ||
| A complete joke. | ||
| Durham, a joke. | ||
| The whole thing, a joke. | ||
| A clown show. | ||
| A capital C. They're trying to get, you know, 24-7. | ||
| We've got to re-monitor these non-stop. | ||
| CNN, MSNBC, got all these experts. | ||
| It's irrelevant. | ||
| You know what's relevant and what they're afraid of? | ||
| What's relevant is that American citizens, the common man and woman, are on that floor of that convention center in Arizona and they're grinding through it. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| It's going to take a couple of three months. | ||
| It's going to take however long it's going to take. | ||
| It's going to take however long it's going to take. | ||
| They're also canvassing. | ||
| Didn't know that. | ||
| They're canvassing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Gonna find out all the post office box, gonna find out all the empty lots. | ||
| That's what they're afraid of, because they understand Biden's got no legitimacy. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| And I say this by things that are either in state senates, legislative bodies, or in courts. | ||
| DiPerno's in court. | ||
| In Arizona, that's directed by the Senate of the state of Arizona. | ||
| We're not just sitting there some conspiracy theory. | ||
| This is either in court, they're either arguing in court, or it's directed by some state assembly. | ||
| So, Rudy, where do you think we are in the big lie versus the big steal, sir? | ||
| We are maybe on the 30-40 yard line right now. | ||
| Haven't passed the 50 until we get one of these completed. | ||
| Is it all doable? | ||
| Yeah, it's right in front of my eyes. | ||
| And when you say that I started it, it is true, but with a very, very good team, with Christina Bob and Jenna Ellis, and of course, our mutual good friend, the wonderful Boris Epstein, and so many other people that I could mention, but those were the principal lawyers involved. | ||
| And they haven't, none of them have given up either. | ||
| And they know, and Christina was the one specifically responsible for Arizona. | ||
| Although the early information, Boris got for us. | ||
| So this is a team effort. | ||
| And our team is down to the loyalists. | ||
| I mean, all got scared off. | ||
| Some had to leave because they got fired. | ||
| They had to get another job. | ||
| They got fired for working for Trump. | ||
| One, a professor at a law school got fired at the law school. | ||
| It's McCarthy-like on steroids. | ||
| If people remember Senator McCarthy and his pursuit of communism. | ||
| But McCarthy's actions had some basis in real fact. | ||
| He just went overboard. | ||
| This is a complete tissue of lies. | ||
| It's a it's almost one you can easily figure out. | ||
| It's a projection of what they do. | ||
| So they colluded with the Russians and the and the Ukrainians. | ||
| They charged him with collusion. | ||
| They bribed the president of Ukraine, but Biden did clear out and out classable bribery Admission on that tape. | ||
| I can take you through all the elements of bribery. | ||
| Well, you know, as soon as you start talking to Ukraine, I get sleepy. | ||
| I just, you know me, I'm a CCP guy, but I guess I'm sleepy. | ||
| Hang on, hang on, hang on. | ||
| But I just want to make sure I understand something. | ||
| You are eventually going to be able to adjudicate, right? | ||
| Somehow we're going to get a venue. | ||
| I don't think we got a heck of an argument to dismiss. | ||
| Given all the illegal things they did, not only with regard to my search, but with regard to the much worse surveillance and taking of my iCloud account from the first day that I became Donald Trump's lawyer. | ||
| They didn't even make any bones about it. | ||
| They had no interest in me before. | ||
| It begins May 1st, 2018. | ||
| That's when it was first in the newspapers that I was going to represent him. | ||
| Immediately, they go get my stuff, or at least retroactively, they go get my stuff and they examine The entire attorney-client relationship for a year and a half. | ||
| This is unheard of. | ||
| This is never done to anyone, as I say, except Trump lawyers. | ||
| Let me ask you, maybe you should break in some news that I haven't gotten. | ||
| I haven't gotten my Ari Melber fix today. | ||
| I know they went to your iCloud. | ||
| Can you actually take it back all the way to 18? | ||
| I thought they went to your iCloud in 19. | ||
| You're saying they went there, but they retroactively went back to it? | ||
| They did it in 19, but the warrant, the covert warrant, which we haven't seen yet, but we were told about, is dated May 1st, 2018. | ||
| So that would be the first... No, come on. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Please stop. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| There's no conspiracies, but there's no... And they're going to claim they weren't deliberately going after attorney-client material. | ||
| But yet, they had no interest in me before I represented Trump. | ||
| The day I represented Trump, that's the first day of the war. | ||
| I mean, this is... Stop. | ||
| This is a mortal sin against the Constitution of the United States. | ||
| It's a kind of sin for which you should excommunicate. | ||
| Hang on, the words are jumping on me. They hate when I interrupt Rudy. I'm just trying to interrupt Rudy. It's okay. I get the best of him. I just gotta go back. There's no concern. I gotta laugh when I say this now. | ||
| There's no conspiracy, but there's no coincidences. | ||
| Are you actually telling our audience that your legal team will be able to show that the covert warrant was issued on 1 May of 2018, sir? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Bob Costello made a very detailed memo of his conversation with the Assistant U.S. | ||
| Attorney. | ||
| He asked it to be repeated twice, and she said, They got a covert warrant from May 1st of 2018 to something like, don't hold me to the concluding date, something like November 8th of 2019. | ||
| So they had all of our deliberations on the collusion case, all of them. | ||
| And then they had our collaborations on the phony Ukraine case. | ||
| And now the new search warrant that they served, it only covers 28 additional days. | ||
| I mean, that whole thing was for 28 days. | ||
| They already have my iCloud for everything else. | ||
| And I basically use Apple, so. | ||
| But I wanna also make sure, your attorney was in constant, they did this just for the theater. | ||
| The reason they did this is to, in the public mind, freeze you out of anything on the voter fraud that's going on that you're real, still one of the heads of. | ||
| This whole thing, your attorney, was your attorney in conversations with these guys all the time? | ||
| If they needed anything, they'd call your attorney? | ||
| Right from the very beginning, we told them, He said, you know, as you have to imagine, he was the head of your office. | ||
| He was the third ranking official of the Justice Department. | ||
| The guy is the most honorable guy I know as far as following the law. | ||
| You know, he didn't break the law. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| And if he did break the law, he'd probably have an insanity defense. | ||
| So let me come in and show you. | ||
| You tell me what you're interested in. | ||
| Tell me we think he broke the Faro laws. | ||
| We will show you his contracts. | ||
| We'll show you. | ||
| His agreements will show you the pains that he goes to not to will prove will actually do what you're not supposed to do will prove the will prove that it's not true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you got to we got to tell me what you want. | ||
| And they said, No, you have to come in and tell us what you want. | ||
| Well, he said, Well, that's ridiculous. | ||
| How can I figure out what you're misconstruing is criminal? | ||
| I'd have to come in and tell you about his whole life. | ||
| And that's crazy. | ||
| Then you'll go try to find something where maybe he didn't pay a parking ticket. | ||
| Rudy, we've got to bounce, but are you putting up a new podcast today? | ||
| Rudy's Common Sense. | ||
| You've got to get the podcast. | ||
| Are you putting up a podcast today? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We have another one coming out today. | ||
| It'll be out before the end of the day. | ||
| It's Rudy'sCommonSense.com. | ||
| We'll send everybody there. | ||
| Rudy Giuliani, thank you for joining us. | ||
| Have you back on tomorrow. | ||
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| Okay, I want to go to another one of the heroes. | ||
| This has been the Hour of Heroes. | ||
| Josh Hawley to kick it off, Rudy Giuliani, and now Matt DiPerno. | ||
| Matt's a lawyer up in Michigan. | ||
| He started off by representing the little guy, a guy who had not gotten elected onto a school board and said, hey, this looks scurry. | ||
| I don't get this. | ||
| These numbers don't add up. | ||
| From there, he is all over. | ||
| In the courts, I might add, for all the D-Platformers, this is all about court cases. | ||
| It's all about what he's doing in courts of law with the rules of evidence. | ||
| Matt, give us an update. | ||
| Heads are blowing up about what you're doing up in Michigan, which is one of the next dominoes with Georgia after Arizona. | ||
| Tell us what you're doing and what's the status of the case right now. | ||
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Thanks for having me on, Steve. | |
| So the status of the case is we're in the discovery phase of the case. | ||
| We've been conducting a lot of tests with the expert witnesses that we've retained in this case, looking at Um, the actual, uh, uh, forensic images that we've obtained regarding the Dominion software and the Dominion system that sits on the Antrim County clerk's desk. | ||
| Uh, and based on that information, looking at this data, looking at the forensic images, um, and conducting our own tests. | ||
| with ballots and the dominion system. | ||
| We put out a video this week that shows that we can flip votes in any race, in any election, up ballot, down ballot, from the president's race all the way down to any school board race. | ||
| We can select certain races to keep clean. | ||
| We can select certain races to flip votes in from one candidate to another. | ||
| And more importantly, we can do it at the tabulator level where the ballots go in. | ||
| And when we close out our election and that tabulator tape prints off, we can show right there that votes are flipped at that point. | ||
| And that's so important because when you understand the canvassing process, uh... in any election you know that uh... the county canvassers what they do they don't look at ballots they only look at their printed tape they compare the number of votes in that printed tape uh... the poll pad uh... to see number of voters who came in to vote if those uh... line up they close out the election and certify it | ||
| And that's why it's so important for our demonstration to show that we can flip votes at that level. | ||
| There's no way people would ever guess that there's fraud going on, but it is. | ||
| Matt, enlighten the audience. | ||
| The guys at Dominion are not stupid, right? | ||
| And they've got very sophisticated lawyers. | ||
| They've got very sophisticated executives. | ||
| How could it be this kind of gap between the bid and the ask here? | ||
| Because, you know, we've said over and over, we're not really machine guys. | ||
| We look at the kind of the mail-in ballots and all that. | ||
| But we said, hey, the machines are a free option. | ||
| A lot of sophisticated people are going to get into it. | ||
| You're going to have the rules of evidence in court and get filled out. | ||
| But here, you've probably made the most progress. | ||
| And I've seen this video and we're going to try to get up this afternoon. | ||
| But why is it because because Dominion says absolutely under no circumstances, right? | ||
| They even say, hey, it's not plugged into the Internet, can't get across county lines, can't get across state lines. | ||
| This is all Lindell's crazy. | ||
| These people are crazy. | ||
| Why is there such a big gap? | ||
| You're lawyers, a big gap between what the two sides are saying. | ||
| It doesn't seem like any middle ground yet. | ||
| It looks like you believe you're making progress on proving your point. | ||
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| And because we actually have, we're the only case in the country that's been able to look at actual forensic images. | ||
| December 6, 2020, we went into Antrim County and actually collected forensic images of their election management system. | ||
| So we've been studying them since that time. | ||
| We are now able to look at how the system works. | ||
| uh... and what's on the system in and for instance we found on the system that there's an unauthorized program or an implant it's called a microsoft sequel uh... database management program and by use of that program which by the way is not authorized by the election commission which means that the the actual system itself it would be decertified by having this on it you can use this type of program to go directly into the database circumvent any of these very terrible | ||
| uh... easy uh... uh... uh... security features that dominion has We get around them so easy and we're able to just manipulate any database we want within the system. | ||
| And so Dominion wants to create this narrative, which is a false narrative that their systems are secure. | ||
| We show over and over again how unsecure they are. | ||
| And the truth is, if you are a legitimate software company designing a software system, that would be used in a national election, which is an issue of national security, there's no way that you would ever program a system to work like this. | ||
| It's just incomprehensible to understand how easy this system is to get around any security feature. | ||
| It's not programmed in a way... | ||
| We've got to bounce on it. | ||
| I want to make sure people can get access to you and your social media. | ||
| But before I do that, Liz Cheney had this huge blow up in the House. | ||
| Everybody's at each other's throats in here. | ||
| The mainstream media, every time they bring it up, they say, this is a big lie. | ||
| There's no evidence. | ||
| It's baseless. | ||
| It's in every website, every newspaper, every major newspaper. | ||
| You're a lawyer. | ||
| Do you think this stuff is baseless? | ||
| I'm not saying who's going to win or who's going to lose, but is the charge that there's baseless, does that have any traction anymore or is that a lie? | ||
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No, it's a complete lie. | |
| We have plenty of traction in this case. | ||
| I don't know if we're going to win or lose in the end either, but I can tell you this, the evidence we have and everything we put out is actual evidence. | ||
| It's been verified over and over again by our our expert witnesses. We don't put anything out that's not verified two and three times and we put it into the court record and I have an obligation as an attorney to verify that it's accurate and true. | ||
| So these Liz Cheney statements that this is baseless is entirely false. We put out plenty of information to verify internet connections, on-board modems, even remnants of foreign connections we show and it's all in our briefing that people can look at on my website defernolaw.com They can look at it. | ||
| It's right there for everyone to see. | ||
| This is not baseless. | ||
| We have real evidence. | ||
| We've got to bounce, but do you have any, in 30 seconds, do you have any social media? | ||
| We're going to send everybody to DiPernoLaw. | ||
| Are you on any social media platforms? | ||
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Yeah, Twitter at MDPerno. | |
| I'm still on there. | ||
| They still let me post stuff. | ||
| Okay, brother, you're a hero and a patriot. | ||
| What I love about DiPerno? | ||
| No back down. | ||
| He's a grinder, grinding through the system. | ||
| He says, hey, I don't know if I'm going to lose here, but we've got plenty of evidence. | ||
| Okay, we'll see you back here at 5. | ||
| More explosive news when we break in at 5 o'clock. | ||
| I want to thank everybody, particularly Senator Josh Hawley, Matt DiPerno, Joe Allen, and Rudy Giuliani for joining us today. |
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