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April 29, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 909 – The Shot Heard Round the World in Vail … (w/ John Tamny, Carrie Liebich)Episode 909 – The Shot Heard Round the World in Vail … (w/ John Tamny, Carrie Liebich)
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unidentified
Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
anthony fauci
So you don't want to frighten the American public.
unidentified
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
anthony fauci
That this is going to be a real serious problem.
unidentified
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
anthony fauci
We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, War Room.
unidentified
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome.
It's Thursday the 29th of April, Year of Our Lord 2020.
You're in the War Room.
We were going to start with a host of cold opens this morning of the speech last night and also Anthony Fauci, Tony Fauci starting to get lit up about this vaccination issue, the vaccine issue, particularly among school children.
But we've got so much to cover and we're going to have Mike Lindell in for part of the second hour Live from his Jimmy Kimmel event last night that I want to get into.
We got John Tamney here from RealClearMarkets and FreedomWorks, Raheem Kassam.
I want to go, I want to start, and I will start with a signal not the noise on Biden's speech last night.
Daily Mail's headlines right now is $6 trillion man, which is a low count because they're not counting in the federal budget.
They're not counting the federal budget for this year, $5.2 trillion.
It's $11 trillion man.
unidentified
Right?
steve bannon
Our 12 trillion.
I'm just rounding up to the closest, you know, 500 billion.
Rahim, but a couple things I want to start off with, and maybe we can play these clips a little bit later.
Denver, just hang on.
First off, they walk up there and they make this big thing of the pageantry and, you know, all this stuff.
And John, thank you.
Your new book, in fact, I'll grab the copy, about the pandemic.
No, because the first question I got Everybody in that audience, I thought, maybe Congressman Boebert and a couple others, but everybody in that audience was vaccinated.
This is what I don't understand.
What's the story with the mask?
I mean, really, and if they want to show optimism of whatever their side wants to do about the vaccines, and now you're hitting this vaccine hesitancy, right?
And you don't have to be an anti-vaxxer to have some just basic scientific questions about this.
Why are they What's the logic?
Is it Harvey Risch at Yale that said, hey, there's still 50% possibility that they could spread it, even with the vaccine, which I'm not telling anybody about.
The numbers in Israel show this.
Why are they, why in this State of the Union or joint session, just somebody help me out here, why is the vaccinated posse, that's their message, why are they sitting up there fully masked?
raheem kassam
I don't have an answer apart from theatrics.
steve bannon
Do you have an answer?
unidentified
Of course it's theatrics.
It's all about, it's a political statement.
Because if you got it, presumably you're immune to it at that point.
steve bannon
This is what you've been told, right?
unidentified
Yes, that's what doctors have always, that goes throughout history.
And then if not, you've been vaccinated.
Wasn't the whole point that vaccination, get the vaccination so we can live our lives?
So why aren't they living their lives?
steve bannon
Why are they sitting there in masks other than to say- Well, if it's nine guys in the auditorium, there's nine people there, or twenty people, a couple of three.
Why is there no people there?
raheem kassam
Well, aren't they all separated?
steve bannon
That's what I'm saying.
raheem kassam
Widely separated.
steve bannon
Widely separated, super social distance, and why are they, and somebody's got to answer this logically, what did Twitter, why, what reasoning do they have, if he's trying to push, we're back, I'm on top of this, I've got it, you've got to get the jab.
If you got the jab, are you going to be masked up and socially distanced forever?
Is that the subliminal?
raheem kassam
I guess their answer, I mean Joe Biden's answer if he was sitting there would be blah blah blah.
But his answer should be, those are the CDC guidelines.
The CDC guidelines are that if you're indoors you wear a mask, if you're outdoors you no longer have to wear a mask.
That's the answer they would give you.
steve bannon
Data-based, evidence-based, science-based.
raheem kassam
That's not to say the CDC is right.
steve bannon
Yeah, no, no.
Data-based, evidence-based, science-based.
What should it show you after you get the vaccine, as they're selling the vaccine?
unidentified
Yeah, there's no basis for it.
Why did we wear masks then?
I thought masks were going to protect us from the spreading of the virus, but yet we need it now, even after we've been vaccinated.
To be clear here, what do they know?
Let's never forget the CDC.
Think how wrong they got AIDS back in the 80s.
Let's never forget that Anthony Fauci was saying back in the 80s that AIDS was just something that I could pass to you by sitting next to you.
He was incorrect.
So implicit here is that they know everything now.
Of course they don't.
But I thought the point was to get vaccinated and we could move on.
Congress is clearly saying no, we're going to play politics with this forever.
This is about Giving into someone or something.
steve bannon
I don't know what that would be Do we do we have is Denver have I want to play the worst thing since the Civil War?
Is that is that available?
Can we get that right?
Tell me when that's available because I want to go through the The the optics of what he tried to present your state and break you down to a couple points One is about what he said had happened right and the other gets down to the finances I do think that It's two things he's optically trying to reverse.
Just tell me when we're ready to go.
Just give me the hand signal.
unidentified
Ready?
Okay, let's play from Biden last night.
We built a new nation, revitalizing our democracy, and winning the future for America.
Okay, we can go back.
steve bannon
We don't have it yet?
Okay, Denver's going.
We got a slight technical problem.
raheem kassam
I prefer him like that.
steve bannon
I want to go to this thing he said in this mantra he had at the beginning, but he referred to January 6th as the worst assault on democracy since the Civil War.
raheem kassam
Worst attack on democracy?
steve bannon
Worst attack on democracy since the Civil War.
His speechwriters, they forget Pearl Harbor, they forget 9-11, they forget the presidential assassinations.
Four assassinations since the Civil War, and I think, what, Truman, attempt on Truman, attempt on FDR, attempt on Gerald Ford, attempt on Ronald Reagan, so four dead presidents.
raheem kassam
Do we forget the Chinese Communist Party's pandemic?
steve bannon
Yes, yes, yes.
raheem kassam
That they've lost the world.
steve bannon
Very good, from Wuhan.
Seriously, did anybody fact check the thing before he sent out?
raheem kassam
It was meant to trigger us.
You're not a speech writer in the White House and writing that thing and not realizing what you're doing.
It is intentionally there to trigger us.
unidentified
It's red meat for Democrats.
What's forgotten is that the founders despised democracy.
Democracy is mob rule.
Democracy is how you remove a politician you don't like.
In a republic, what we have, we limit.
It was this idea based on limiting the power of the federal government so people could kind of choose.
steve bannon
From the Roman Republic, right?
unidentified
Yeah, they could choose their bliss locally and even there have immense power over it.
Democracy, wow, democracy could be a lot of dangerous things.
steve bannon
They forgot the electoral college really came from the way the Roman tribes voted.
Remember, I think they had 24 tribes, each had a vote regardless of their size, and that's how they kind of kept That's how they kind of kept up to make sure they didn't have mob rule.
raheem kassam
Democracy is a system of voting, not a system of government, right?
But Democrats increasingly want democracy to be the system of government, which has to be thrown back in their faces as often as possible.
We've got to stop being so pusillanimous about this because they don't want...
People to decide for themselves anything in the marketplace, you know, they want everything regulated.
They want everything centralized.
They want to be able to dictate what you can and can't do in a marketplace where you vote with your dollar.
But when it comes to to voting, you know, for what we As a system of government, they're okay with that one.
This goes back to putting your senators in a direct democratically elected position.
unidentified
It's total nonsense, and it's time you see how- You want to go back and reverse and take it back to the- Oh, I'll reverse.
If it were up to me, Her Majesty the Queen would be reigning in this country.
We're going to play the hymn at Concord Bridge again.
raheem kassam
I'm a player for the days over. Let's come back to what actually happened last night, right?
And this was this was a very very as far as I am concerned far left very radical very irresponsible Display that we saw last night and it was flanked by the way with Mounds of racism coming out of the left aimed at Tim Scott over the response. I mean they were Twitter actually let uncle Tom trend end.
Can you imagine, can you imagine if anybody else tried to make a racial epithet trend last night?
You know, last night was proof, if we needed it, which we didn't, but it was proof that this Democrat Party under Joe Biden is willing to go further and faster and there is almost no Republican trying to stop it.
steve bannon
They have to go fast, because they understand this is going to get stopped in the midterm elections.
Okay, do we have the clip?
Because I want to hear his voice.
unidentified
Let's play the clip.
steve bannon
Let's see if Denver's got it.
We're going to try again.
Get two shots here.
raheem kassam
Get three shots in.
unidentified
Come on, Biden.
steve bannon
Okay, hang on.
Okay, here we go.
joe biden
A nation revitalizing our democracy and winning the future for America.
I stand here tonight, one day shy of the 100th day of my administration.
100 days since I took the oath of office and lifted my hand off our family Bible and inherited a nation, we all did, that was in crisis.
The worst pandemic in a century.
The worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
The worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.
Now, after just 100 days, I can report to the nation, America is on the move again.
steve bannon
Okay, John Tamney, observation.
unidentified
Oh wow, so if it's on the move, why are Pelosi and Kamala Harris, why do they have masks on behind you?
That's the first thing.
America's on the move.
America was already on the move.
The arrogance of this that, well, you know, by July 4th, small family members can get back together and have barbecues.
Guess what?
We've been having barbecues the whole time.
I mean, I'm sorry you picked the wrong people to lock down.
Americans descend from people who crossed oceans to get here for just a little taste of freedom.
The idea that this guy and that crowd was going to limit our freedom.
Oh, no, we kept living as much as we could.
We just didn't tell you about it.
raheem kassam
I mean, it's a good point.
Most people you talk to, whether it's cabs or whether it's, you know, when you go out around town and you talk to people who are in the service industry, whatever, nobody's stopped living their lives.
What they did was they hid their lives from government.
It's extraordinary.
This is what he's talking about.
He genuinely believes, I don't know if he's briefed this or if he believes it from reading the papers or watching CNN or whatever it is, you've got Norm Eisen up behind you, On CNN right now, does he believe... Norm Einstein's beating on Rudy, no doubt.
Yeah, that's correct.
unidentified
I can tell, eyes in the back of my head, I just know that's happening.
raheem kassam
That God-fearing Americans actually, you know, ceased their lives over the last year?
steve bannon
You see what they have to sell, though?
Here's the nerve.
Here's I think the underlying is that they got to sell.
They ended the pandemic and brought people out.
They got to sell that it was a crisis and the six trillion dollars and eleven trillion dollars are going to get us out.
And they got to sell the weakness.
They have to sell that this audience here in the war room and that the I just got it.
the Trump movement are a bunch of seditionists and a bunch of insurrectionists and they got they got they got to play that they got to beat that and they get that it's like waving the bloody shirt after the Civil War.
They got to pound that and it's not it's not working but it's not resonating particularly makes over the top that may be red meat for the Democrats but that's gonna that's good people gonna sit there and go this is shows you how over the top the rhetoric is they want to be evidence-based.
raheem kassam
I just got it.
The narrative fell apart.
The Sicknick story fell apart.
steve bannon
That's what I'm saying.
raheem kassam
The bear spray fell apart.
So he had to do that last night to shore it up.
steve bannon
Sure he does.
And by the way, they also realize they have to sell that as one of the component pieces of their program.
That is what he's... The other thing, what he's trying to sell here, two things he's trying to reverse.
One thing he's trying to reverse, the other he's trying to co-op.
He's tried to reverse Reagan's great speech, and I think it was at his first State of the Union or the joint session, where he said, you know, government's not the solution, government is the problem.
Joe Biden last night was very much, not just his government, the solution.
Not just big government's a solution, but massive intrusive government in every aspect of American life, from not just the cultural, but down to every element of the economic and finance.
Because this is a takeover, particularly with no mandate.
Right?
With only a couple of votes in the House and a dead tie in the Senate, you got a break with the Vice President, right?
The other thing was, he did try to co-opt some of Trump's populism, right?
With these programs.
I want to get back to John Tammany.
unidentified
There's something very important people have to understand.
steve bannon
When the Daily Mail is talking about the $6 trillion man, that's not including the $5.2 trillion, just a good old federal budget every year.
You're talking $11 trillion in one year.
$11 trillion in one year.
We've gone down the rabbit hole, and John Tamney's about to tell you how Democrats, Wall Street, and progressives are getting there.
Short commercial break, back in a second.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
With Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
...has $1.8 trillion American Families Plan, and explaining how he intends to pay for that expansion of healthcare, childcare, and education.
joe biden
American Families Plan will provide access to quality, affordable child care.
We guarantee, when I propose this legislation, we guarantee that low and middle income families will pay no more than 7% of their income for high quality care for children up to the age of 5.
unidentified
I'm out.
joe biden
The most hard-pressed working families won't have to spend a dime.
Third, the American Families Plan will finally provide up to 12 weeks of paid leave and medical leave, family and medical leave.
We're one of the few industrial countries in the world.
No one should have to choose between a job and a paycheck or taking care of themselves and their loved ones or parent or spouse or child.
12 years is no longer enough today to compete with the rest of the world in the 21st century.
That's why my American Families Plan guarantees four additional years of public education to every person in America.
Starting as early as we can.
A great university in this country has conducted studies over the last 10 years.
unidentified
It's tortured.
steve bannon
Let's cut it down to Joe Biden's running on.
But I want to give you a sense of, wow.
Okay, by the way, Mike Lindell from Jimmy Kimmel, he's going to be on 11 o'clock and we're going to go through that.
Hopefully we'll have our clips up and ready to go by then, maybe.
unidentified
Mike Lindell of the Jimmy Kimmel Show.
steve bannon
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I want to get into this whole thing about the American Families Plan.
So if you add the COVID relief bill of the $1.9 trillion, if you add the American Families Plan, I think $1.9 trillion, if you add infrastructure of another $1.9 trillion, you get up or the way it does is roughly to $6 trillion.
You add the budget and they only say, oh, $1.5 trillion discretionary.
You got to add in Social Security, you've got to add in Medicare, Medicaid, the transfer payments, 5.2.
I'm at 11.2 trillion dollars just for this year, right?
And I know it's not going to be spent this year, but you say this is not even the worst news.
It's worse news than this.
What is it?
unidentified
Because it doesn't begin to tell the story of the costs related to this.
Medicare began as a three billion dollar program in 1965.
The CBO predicted by 1981 it would be a $15 billion program.
Guess what?
It cost $110 billion in 1981.
Multiplied, multiplied.
In a few years it will be a $1 trillion annual program.
When they fund programs in the near term, That's just a baseline.
That sets the stage for a massive bureaucracy bill because they can never fulfill their mandates.
So they grow, grow, grow, grow, at which point you have constituents and you've got political constituents wanting to continue to fund this, so it grows.
So you've got to multiply the $11 trillion to a much higher level of government control of the economy over time because it never starts.
This is the low number they're giving us.
It's the future that you have to worry about.
steve bannon
But how do you even get past... I get it's going to grow, and it'll grow exponentially, but how do you even get past the short term as far as how do you finance it?
Right?
You know, Joe Manchin's getting a little concerned about the numbers here getting pretty big, but this is at such a scale they're coming with.
there must be a different way they're thinking about something because there's only the couple ways that you do this you the cell bonds to finance it right and there's a limited capacity out there among the japanese insurance companies that the chinese communist party already has a tree and i will have one point two trillion the gulf emirates so you got a limited base of guy you can pension funds then you can increase taxes he's got a tax increase plan but that's only a small portion of it
and then you've got the last and that's because we have with the world's prime reserve currency we have the That comes with huge obligations, but we have the luxury of just being able to monetize this debt and continue to print money.
But that's before you start thinking about $11 trillion.
There's got to be a different way they're looking at things than we are traditionally.
What is that?
Is this this modern monetary theory that's come in and allows them to say, hey, you don't worry about deficits anymore, you don't worry about financing anymore, we're going to have negative zero interest rates forever?
Don't worry about inflation.
Inflation will never come along.
By the way, the Federal Reserve is saying, hey, I'm keeping interest rates zero.
23 just a random number right after the 2022 midterms, right?
So let the good times roll.
unidentified
Well, the Democrats just assume the wealth exists.
So it's there to be taken back to reality.
Yeah, it's got to be created first.
And so let's ask the question.
Why does Russia?
Why is its total debt only 190 billion yet?
The US is 29 trillion or something like that.
Well, it is because the US is the most productive dynamic country on Earth.
Here is the potential negative of wealth creation.
And you know, I love growth.
Is that there is a market out there, tragically, to buy all this debt.
I don't know why.
I've never bought the notion that the Federal Reserve can monetize this.
If that were the case, why doesn't the Russian Central Bank monetize more waste?
steve bannon
Because nobody wants to take their... There's no market.
There's no market.
unidentified
There's a market for, because Americans are the most productive people on earth.
steve bannon
And so, I've always said... Well, it's backed by the full faith and credit of the deplorables.
That's my point.
unidentified
It's on their shoulders.
Governments can only extract, they have no resources, they have to take it from the productive people.
And so I've always thought that the negative of talking about cost is it presumes that, oh we can't afford it.
Now the markets say we can afford all this waste.
What we should be saying is government, there's just a lot of things government shouldn't do that they do incredibly poorly.
We have a limiting document that limits their ability to do this.
This should not be allowed.
And so where are the Republicans on this?
Why aren't they saying government should just not do this?
It's not about affording things.
steve bannon
I didn't see, by the way, in Tim Scott's rebuttal last night, there was no discussion whatsoever about this.
McCarthy wants a running for president right now, says he'd be a front-runner.
I think Tim Scott's a good man.
I wasn't a huge fan of all of the talk last night.
I thought part of it was good.
There is no wrestling with the central part.
I mean, it's deeper.
Because to me, the racism thing has always been something to take your attention away from something.
This is the heart of it.
They're going to so dramatically expand the mere concept of government.
And I say this Not in a partisan way.
The model they're looking at, and Tom Friedman these guys are looking at, it's obvious now with that speech last night, the model they're looking at is the CCP model.
Light.
It is massive state capitalism combined with authoritarian government.
You kind of merge into some sort of quasi-entity that is so big in scale, so involved in every part of your life, from the social credit score, which is what the oligarchs have now, to really financing every aspect of your life, right?
Where you then have your choices, your freedom is narrowed by the ability of what choices you actually have in your own life that's somehow not covered, cradled to grave.
So for a guy that's in a dead even Senate, And look, we are adamant about he didn't win on November 3rd, and the evidence will report that out, but only the evidence that's shown in legal proceedings, either the vote count out in Arizona or in Georgia, other things that happened, right, to get to the receipts.
And something with a split nation, Right?
You've got the most radical agenda, although he's very confused and he doesn't use high rhetoric and it's very, not just plain spoken, it's kind of hit and miss all the way around.
This is the most radical, this is 10x more radical than Obama, John Tammany than Rahim.
unidentified
No, it's very true, but there's the optimism.
As you allude, it's a split Senate.
The House is nearly split.
Biden is not Obama.
Obama lost, what, 66 seats in 2010?
Lost the Senate in 2014.
The reaction, Americans just aren't for big government.
They are far less for big government than their political representatives on both sides are.
Republicans are at their best when they're on the defensive, when they are blocking something.
steve bannon
In opposition.
unidentified
They're brilliant in opposition.
steve bannon
Show me some brilliance then last night.
Where's the brilliance?
Where's the brilliance?
Where's the counter-stroke?
unidentified
I'm waiting for it.
I believe it exists.
It always exists.
steve bannon
I'll tell you, the counter-stroke is out in Arizona.
We're going to have Kerry Liebeck on here from the Vale of, working on the Vale Arizona teachers board, or the parents board, throwing out to people about this mask mandate.
You're seeing that, you're seeing it in Arizona, you're seeing it in Georgia, you're seeing it in South Carolina, that's the revolt you're seeing.
You're not seeing it among the elected representatives of the Republican Party.
Rahim?
raheem kassam
I have been looking at this poll that came out immediately after last night from CBS, right?
In YouGov.
Did you see this?
85% approve of the speech, right?
We're in Kim Jong-il territory here, okay?
So I went to the CBS poll, and bear with me here, okay?
I went to the back page of the poll and here's what it said.
The CBS survey is based on 943 interviews of adults who watched the president's address on Wednesday night.
An initial survey was conducted between April 23 and 27 using a nationally representative sample blah blah blah blah blah.
The initial sample was then weighted according to gender, age, race, education based on voter registration lists, the US census, current population survey.
The final sample of post-speech re-interviews was weighted to be representative as those who said they would watch the president's address The weights range from 0.2 to 5.1 with a mean of 1 and a standard deviation.
They have gone to ridiculous mathematical lengths here to get the result they wanted.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
steve bannon
You mean the 85%?
raheem kassam
This is Kim Jong-il polling.
unidentified
There's no way the thing was so... Well, it's done by YouGov.
raheem kassam
Back in the UKIP days, we had a joke about commissioning YouGov to do a poll.
We called them Anything You Want Gov.
unidentified
As in, they will get you the result that you pay for.
steve bannon
Carrie Lebeck from Vail, Arizona is going to join us, take a short commercial break.
John Tamney's in the house.
We're going to talk about modern monetary theory.
What is underpinning AOC?
The AOC wants 10 trillion, not 2 trillion for the jobs program, what they call it, the infrastructure program.
unidentified
She wants 10 trillion dollars.
steve bannon
Why not?
The punchbowls have been taken away.
The parties there have zero interest rates, right?
Okay, short commercial break.
Back in a moment.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
With Stephen K. Banham.
The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
There is gonna be a collective sigh of relief about these new mask rules.
Hopefully, your sigh of relief will be masked if you're indoors, but if you're outdoors, you can take that mask off.
Just big picture for a moment, what does this mean in terms of our battle in this pandemic?
anthony fauci
Well, it means that we're going in the right direction.
I mean, even though, as mentioned correctly, there have been so many cases, we have over 570,000 deaths in the United States.
So this is still an issue.
We're still getting, you know, tens of thousands of new cases per day.
But the thing that's become clear, you know, just from the scientific evidence, that the risk of getting infected if you are vaccinated and outdoors is extremely low.
I mean minusculely low and that's the reason why the CDC has now come out and made these kinds of recommendations making it much more flexible for people who are vaccinated to get out and enjoy the outdoors.
As you showed on the chart that you just put up on the screen, Outdoors, you can do virtually everything except congregate in a massive way.
For example, at a concert where there are tens of thousands of people.
But anything short of that, if you're vaccinated, you really can be out there just enjoying the environment, which is really a big plus in motivating people to get vaccinated.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to get back to that in a second because he starts talking about vaccinating the high school kids starting in the fall and then school kids by the end of the year.
Tony Fauci.
I'm confused on the State of the Union or the joint session last night.
Why are they in masks?
They're all vaccinated.
Why are they in masks?
And they're 20 feet apart.
Let's go to some folks.
I tell you, this populist revolts all over the country.
You're seeing it at the committee precinct men, whether it's in Georgia.
And by the way, the establishment we're just finding out, we're getting live reports that the establishment in Georgia is trying to reverse the voting that took place last week.
We're going to get all over that.
You see the folks in Arizona are going through a hand audit, forensic hand audit.
In South Carolina, they're blowing up.
I think in two weeks, we're going to have the votes down there.
We had people the other day that have been winning this precinct committee men.
It's all over the country.
And one of the most inspirational was in Vail, Arizona, where parents had finally had enough of it, wanted to see database, evidence-based, science-based, why the kids have got to continue to wear the mask.
We're bringing in now Carrie Liebeck, who was one of the parents there.
Carrie, just explain to our audience what happened in Vail, what got you all worked up, and what was the outcome?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
Our governor had said that we do not need to have masks on anybody in the state anymore, and so we assumed naturally that our school board would take away that restriction, and they didn't.
So at a normal school board meeting, we assembled all of the parents, we decided that we were going to come and give our testimony, give our story, and let the children speak, let the parents speak, and we were denied access, and the sheriffs were called on us.
steve bannon
They called the sheriffs on, I take it, to remove you all?
They didn't want to hear what you guys had to say, what the parents actually had to say?
unidentified
Exactly.
They wanted to remove us.
They canceled the meeting before it ever got started and we were met with probably about 12 sheriff's deputies at the door.
They barred us entry from coming in.
We have open meeting laws in Arizona that make sure that we are allowed to attend every board meeting when there are two or more board members gathered.
That's a quorum, and we're allowed to be there.
So we stood our ground very peaceably.
The Sheriff's Department has backed us up.
They said that we were very peaceable.
We were kind and respectful.
We were not an angry mob at all.
But we stood there knowing our rights, that we had the rights to be heard.
They fled.
Well, if you're not going to do your duty, we will.
And we stood up and we elected new board members.
Now, whether that stands, we don't know.
It'll be a legal battle.
But I can tell you for sure, we are definitely ready to take this all the way to the end.
If nothing else, we will remove two board members who are absolutely against parent choice and parent rights.
steve bannon
Okay, remember on April 19th, what, Monday a week ago, we started the show with Emerson's Concord Bridge, right?
The hymn to Concord Bridge about the patriots that stood there at Lexington and Concord.
I think this may be the shot heard around the world in Vail, Arizona.
The reason is that we're showing the video up as you, when you come on screen and play.
You just stood out in the hallway.
And you called an impromptu meeting of the parents of the board, and you voted, using your democratic powers, you voted the school board out.
Is that what happened?
You decided to have a meeting, and I was kind of watching how you went around, had as close to Robert's Rules of Order as you could get, and you just voted them out right there?
unidentified
Exactly.
Well, no, we were told at the time that they had resigned.
We did find out later that they did not resign, but we're still putting the pressure on and we will recall at least two board members.
So where we go now, we have two choices.
Either that new board stands or it doesn't and we recall them.
Either way, the parents aren't backing down.
We decided enough is enough.
We've had a 300% increase in And deaths in our children from suicide in our district.
We have a very small district that is completely unacceptable.
And not one child under the age of 20 has died from the coronavirus in our county.
Not one.
steve bannon
Since CNN and MSNBC, you're their worst nightmare, right?
So you're going to get demonized as you breathe through your mouth.
You're a bunch of knuckle-draggers.
You turn away from scientism, the new religion of not real science and Western science, but this kind of Gaia theory they make up.
So I know you're evidence-based, data-based, and science-based.
What was the logic that the school board had For keeping the kids in masks.
What were they telling the parents?
I just want to know, since the governor, who's no fire-breathing Trump, you know, person, the governor had kind of mandated in the state it was okay.
What was the logic of the school board for school children?
What argument did they make to you, the parents, that the mask had to remain?
unidentified
That's the thing.
There is no logic.
It's power and control.
And they want control over our children.
And they've made that abundantly clear that parents do not have rights.
And they want medical decisions and all decisions to be made by the school board.
Our school board president is absolutely as far left as you can possibly get.
He wants to push through critical race theory.
And he has got to go.
He does not care about parents or children.
He is adamantly opposed to us and he just wants to silence us and remain.
Once he got power back in March, he will not let go of it.
So we've said enough is enough.
These are our children.
They are dying from your mitigation plan and we're not taking it anymore.
steve bannon
Carrie, just quickly, where does this go from here?
It turns out that when they fled the building, they actually didn't resign.
They just told you, we resign, we're out of here.
So they lied about that.
There's some up in the air about where you guys stand.
What action are you taking starting today, moving forward?
And then, how can people, this massive activist audience, how can people assist or find out more about you guys?
unidentified
So, right now we're starting the recall.
400 signatures to remove the two board members that are adamantly opposed to parents.
And we'll get that easily because there's such a movement now.
Now that we've gathered, um, I would say to everybody who's watching this, take a stand, find another parent that agrees with you because they're out there and then join, keep adding parents until all of a sudden you've got momentum.
It started off with just two parents, one parent, and then we grew to five and then we grew to 10.
And now we did not expect it.
We thought maybe 20 parents would show that night.
We had hundreds of parents show.
We're fed up.
They're out there.
You just need to stand.
And that's really the message I wanted every parent to know.
What we did is just stood and we were face to face with the Sharon's and they were yelling at us to leave.
It took us maybe two minutes to appeal to their humanity.
And we realized right then and there that they, they're on our side and they took our side.
And because they took our side, we were allowed to peaceably stand.
As we have the right to do, and from there, the board was terrified.
And they know that we're not backing down, and we'll never back down, because our children's lives are at stake.
steve bannon
Is there any social media webpage, any way that people can get more access to you guys?
unidentified
Not really, I mean my personal page, but that's about all we have.
Okay, what's your personal page?
My personal page is Carrie Michelle, so C-A-R-R-I-E, Michelle, M-I-C-H-E-L-L-E, and that's our Facebook, my Facebook page.
steve bannon
This is Concord Bridge.
Okay, Carrie, thank you very much for joining us.
Really appreciate it.
We're going to follow this story and have you guys back.
Thank you.
It starts with one parent, then two parents, then a hundred.
We'll try to show the video later.
It was amazing.
They're sitting there in the thing, and the sheriff's trying to throw them out, and they just, hey, boom, let's have a vote right here, right?
Next thing you know, they're picking parents in the crowd.
unidentified
You want to do it?
steve bannon
Yeah, I want to do it.
Boom, done.
This is what it's about.
There is a seething anger, right, that's right below the surface.
And it's not, you know, this thing that was saying that sex and sedition is no.
It has nothing to do with that.
But it's people that are going to sit there and go, hey, this is the United States of America.
We have grit and determination, but we also have common sense, right?
Just this basic common sense.
And something's out of whack here.
When you see that, that was a show, listen, the Chinese Communist Party is sitting in Beijing and they're belly laughing last night.
They got a guy, Joe Biden, who's totally compromised, his family's totally compromised, right?
What Rudy said yesterday, the one thing that the FBI didn't take was the hard drive from hell.
Right?
The hard drive from hell.
You come for the porn, you stay for the compromise.
unidentified
Right?
steve bannon
You come for the depravity, you stay for him selling out his country.
The son.
With Biden's brother in Biden.
You see those people masked that have taken vaccines.
They're pushing the vaccines as a cure-all.
And there's 20 people in the auditorium.
They're laughing at us.
Because it's buffoonery.
And they keep pushing this mantra that, oh, you're the idiots.
No, no, no, no, no.
Those people, those hundred parents... Remember, everybody in this audience, the reason this show is so powerful is not us.
And not the great guests we have in the John Tan News of the World.
It's you.
And here's what it is.
It's one parent that calls and says, hey, I don't want to say anything because I know it's not popular and I don't want to be, you know, I don't want to be othered, right?
I don't want to be kicked out of the Kiwanis Club.
But this doesn't make sense.
Why are our kids wearing masks?
You know what?
I have the same problem.
And so does Sally.
unidentified
Boom.
steve bannon
And so does Joe.
unidentified
Boom.
Boom.
steve bannon
Next thing you know, a hundred show up.
That's exactly what happened in Election Day in Concord.
Right?
The British are just coming out from Boston doing what they always do.
They're just coming out, but this time they're going to go to an arsenal and get the weapons and the word gets out and it's one guy.
Hey, you know, boom, boom, boom.
Next thing you know, they met at Lexington Common and then he got a team of guys on the bridge who are not going to back down, right?
Not going to move.
And Lexington Common, this is how it starts.
It's Vail, Arizona that could like the match.
Just people sitting there going, I've had it, I'm not going to take it anymore.
unidentified
Let's throw in California to it.
Remember last July 4th they said no fireworks shows, and the people of California, we saw it on the internet, gave the proverbial middle finger to the politicians.
They staged them all over the state.
steve bannon
Here's what's important about California.
That's not a Trump-led movement.
The biggest fire breather we've had on here is who?
Lydia Friend, the founder of Women of Watts.
I don't think she's ever voted for a Republican in her life.
She's got a big old recall Newsom sign in her front yard.
It is small business owners, entrepreneurs, and moms.
Supposedly what the Republican Party tells us we can't reach and can't talk to because of policies because, oh, they hate Trump and hate Trumpism.
Newsom's recalled.
They try to make it some Trump thing.
It's not.
There's Democratic districts that had more signatures than Republican districts.
Because in the central piece, besides the entrepreneurs and the gatherings, was the moms and the schools, right?
That let the unions drive this and not do it.
Okay, short commercial break.
Go ahead.
raheem kassam
I'll break some news real quick.
steve bannon
Okay, go ahead.
raheem kassam
Back to that CBS poll real quick.
I just looked into more of the methodology.
steve bannon
I knew you were drilling something.
raheem kassam
You know what I found?
What?
1,000 people, right?
steve bannon
They said they... Yeah, sure.
How many were Republicans?
unidentified
950.
steve bannon
169.
Stop!
raheem kassam
He told me!
unidentified
You just read to me it was all demographically down to micro-targeted.
It was totally balanced.
raheem kassam
169 Republicans pulled out 1,000.
steve bannon
CBS and YouGov lied to us.
Called it science-based evidence.
It's scientism.
It's scientism in there.
It's scientism.
Short break.
Tammy, back in a moment.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
With Stephen K. Banham.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banham.
steve bannon
John Tamney is the author of When Politicians Panic, the new coronavirus expert opinion in the tragic lap of reason.
John Tammany's article.
Real clear markets.
By the way, you've got to read this book.
Very fascinating.
Besides the fetish part about free trade, it's pretty solid.
His non-populist policies.
Okay, real quick.
By the way, talking about masks, talking about vaccines, we're getting more into the second hour with Mike Lindell.
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I'm going to get a few minutes with Tamnit.
unidentified
There's a lot of testosterone in this room today.
raheem kassam
You've got the hair going, he's got the chest.
steve bannon
When I first met him, he had a tie and the nice blazers.
He was tricked out like you.
Okay, hold it.
We've only got a few minutes.
First off, when you hear what's happening in Vail, it plays very much into your book that that's the common sense of the American people versus the buffoonery of what you saw in the Capitol last night.
unidentified
Kerry said there's no logic supporting keeping kids out of masks.
Precisely, but let's assume that masks actually save kids' lives.
What about government force would require parents to have masks on their kids?
Parents protect their kids by nature.
The idea that they need the political aspect of this, that we're going to force you, you have to have meetings with people in masks, is just absurd.
It insults the basic common sense of humanity, let alone Americans.
steve bannon
What's the underpinnings?
The AOC, when she sits there and goes, it's not 2 trillion, it's got to be 10, or it's got to be 20 trillion.
We've had this budget now blow up, and as you said, this is just their opening salvo.
Where does this go, and what's the intellectual underpinnings of it?
unidentified
The intellectual underpinnings are that you can quite literally print wealth.
Modern monetary theory is as old as mankind.
This idea that you can manufacture The measure, the money, and then wealth will be the consequence.
No, no.
As you know from investment banking, money finds wealth and not the reverse.
And so if modern monetary theory worked, East St.
Louis would be a boom town and so would West Baltimore.
Haiti right now would just start up a central bank and they would be a rich country.
But as we know, no one's just going to accept the paper you create.
The paper that is money is a consequence of wealth.
The U.S.
is able to run up lots of debt because we've got the richest, most dynamic people on earth actively producing.
MMT gets it backwards, but it's as old as mankind.
steve bannon
But when is that?
When is somebody going to start to challenge this?
I haven't seen anyone on the right and really go through the political class to throw down now and say, hey, we're at an inflection point.
If you go along with where Biden wants to take us and basically a 50-50 divided House and Senate, This is no return.
If these things pass, you can't unwind this easily, right?
You've blown up the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve, you've blown up the finances of the country, and we're heading to a point of really kind of state capitalism.
Am I wrong in that?
unidentified
No, once you create a government program, you've created a constituency to maintain it and expand it.
So you've got to stop it in the first place.
The shame, as always, I think the biggest mistake Republicans have always made is talked about things in terms of costs.
How about government just shouldn't do things?
How about... I'm looking at your phone right here.
You've got a supercomputer sitting there, but you know back in 83 there were brick-sized phones.
Why do you have a supercomputer there?
Because profit-motivated people create all sorts of things for you that you don't know why you have.
Why would we...
steve bannon
There's more computing capacity in this phone than there was in the Kennedy Space Center in 1968 when we went to the moon, right?
In one cell phone.
Talk to me about, you're much more chilled out than I am about this stuff actually passing.
Talk to us about that.
You don't think, you said, hey, don't worry about it.
As bad as this is, nothing's going to happen.
Do you believe that?
unidentified
Well, I think a lot of it.
Let's never forget, there was going to be a big 1.9 trillion coronavirus plan, whether it's Trump or Biden.
To be fair, that was going to happen no matter who was elected.
And so after this, of course Biden's going to talk about all this, but he does not have the votes.
steve bannon
But the 1.9 trillion was bifurcated to have the infrastructure part and the coronavirus relief.
That is comparing the 1.9 to the 4.
That's the 4 trillion of the 2 trillion dollars, because Trump's was not going to be The structure of his, he was going to roll in his infrastructure program in that.
unidentified
No, but there's going to be spending either way, I think.
And so it's going to be massive no matter what.
When you go beyond that, Biden does not have the votes.
With a split Senate, you think Sinema, do you think Manchin, there's a lot of these testers going to risk the seat for Biden?
steve bannon
If you look at the House, given what's ahead, if you look at what happened just the other day... You think these 15 districts that are going to be in play, you think that these people are going to back off that plan?
unidentified
I don't think there's... For survival?
For major, major legislation, there are not the votes there to do it.
And that's why the markets are so confident right now.
Biden has his rhetoric.
Markets are priced in the fact that Biden's not going to be able to get a lot done.
steve bannon
I want to go to, real quickly, you've seen the populist revolt in Vail, Arizona, you've seen it all over.
By the way, I want to make sure we leave enough time for our tribute to the people at Vail, Producer Cameron.
In fact, real quickly, we need a minute and a half to get out.
Tell us about how they get to you, how they get to the book.
unidentified
Well, you get to the book on Amazon.
You're supposed to buy several copies if you're watching right now.
steve bannon
You had a big day the other day when you were here.
unidentified
Yes, because Steve Bannon, thank you, sells me lots of books.
steve bannon
No, because our audience is on top of things.
unidentified
Yeah, this is a rage against the tragedy of what politicians did.
It takes no prisoners.
Everyone gets hit hard because what they did was cruel and mean-spirited.
So that you can find me on Twitter, of course, at John Tamney, Facebook.
steve bannon
How do people get access to you?
unidentified
You can find me through Amazon for the books.
You can find me at John Tamney on Twitter.
I put out several columns a week at RealClearMarkets.com.
You can find me at FreedomWorks.org.
I am, I think Steve would admit this, I am the most active and prolific writer in all of Washington D.C.
steve bannon
at this point.
There's no doubt, and that's why I go RealClearMarkets is the best curator, the best curator of economic news.
Rahim's taking real umbrage with that.
unidentified
Big umbrage.
raheem kassam
Big umbrage over there.
steve bannon
I take it we're not going to do my tribute?
We're going to have a... Okay, we can start at any time?
Of course, we've got to use a minute and a half out, right?
Just doing some basic math.
Okay, here we go.
Tribute to the folks in Vail.
Tribute to the parents in Vail.
Concord Hymn.
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