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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
That this is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US. | ||
Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, War Room. | ||
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Pandemic. | |
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
Okay, welcome. | ||
Do we have the footage? | ||
Let's get the footage. | ||
You're in the War Room. | ||
It's Saturday, 17 April, Year of the Lord 2021, now with over 47 million downloads on the podcast. | ||
Of course, we're live on the John Frederickx Radio Network today, Real America's Voice up on Dish Channel 219, Comcast 113, Roku, Pluto, all of it. | ||
Live in Mandarin on G News and GTV and blown through the firewall later in the day So I want to thank our global audience very special day for us. | ||
We've got We're gonna have the pictures here momentarily. | ||
There we are We're here. | ||
We got by the way, the the star reporter from the Washington Post on all things China Josh Rogin joins us in-house today We're gonna go through Josh An entire hour with him. | ||
Second hour is Naomi Wolf. | ||
But Raheem, I want to turn it over to you briefly. | ||
This is a very big day for the United Kingdom and the Crown. | ||
Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, is being buried today. | ||
Yeah, that's right. | ||
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The funeral of Prince Philip taking place at Windsor Castle today. | |
The ceremonies began about An hour ago and you'll see right now what the scenes you're seeing on your screen for the video audience are of the one minute silence that's been taking place all across the United Kingdom. | ||
You know Prince Philip really a man's man. | ||
Somebody that a lot of people identified with because he was so very non-politically correct. | ||
He said what was on his mind, probably a little too often for the Queen in some respects. | ||
He was obviously her rock. | ||
For those who have seen The Crown, the great Netflix show, you'll know the dynamics which actually come very close. | ||
If you listen to a lot of royal correspondents and people who know the court of St. | ||
James, it comes very close to getting the picture correct between these two. | ||
um highly highly reliant on on prince philip as as not just a formal uh presence who was very able in you know diplomatic scenarios you know joke all jokes aside but i think he conducted over 22 000 official engagements over the course of his lifetime just just for audience whether it's prince albert during victoria's reign or prince philip during elizabeth the second's reign these are essentially | ||
Kings. | ||
I mean, they're co-partners. | ||
Albert doesn't get this, but he was the rock of Victoria, but he was essentially a co-partner in decision-making like Philip has been. | ||
Well, it really depends on the way you're looking at it. | ||
In a human and emotional sense, certainly. | ||
The people, whether it's Elizabeth or Victoria, are inseparable from their consorts. | ||
From a religious perspective and a traditional perspective, the anointing oil only touches the monarch. | ||
And the power of the crown as an entity, as the connection, a supposed connection, and I wish it were more true, but the connection between the United Kingdom and God, the Kingdom of God, comes through that one person via that anointing oil. | ||
Now, uh, you're seeing the, uh, the scenes I want to just describe for the audience very quickly of what you're seeing here, because this is all taking place at St. | ||
George's Chapel, St. | ||
George's Chapel on the grounds of, uh, Windsor and Windsor Castle, and you're seeing now what will happen is the, uh, coffin will Reside at a particular point there and there are only 30 Guests in person the closest members of the family Obviously Americans will be acutely aware that that Megan is not present At this at this ceremony, but the rest of the closest members of the royal family will now a lot of country We're gonna come back to this during this we've got Josh | ||
for an hour here kindly enough to come in after this controversial Megan Kelly, we're sure and get to in a second interview this week on her podcast But there's a lot of controversy One, they're not in military uniforms. | ||
Number two, how does an alpha male, and he was an alpha male, how does he succeed in a beta male world? | ||
And I would actually argue that as bad as the United States was, is about this England, from my time in the UK, went beta. | ||
Before the United States. | ||
England always leads us culturally, right? | ||
You guys went beta before we did, so it was even worse. | ||
And this guy is, if nothing else, a war hero, and he does not suffer fools gladly, right? | ||
He was not just outspoken, he was blunt. | ||
Well, we can get into it another time, but I mean, I would argue that yes, from the perspective of decline, and cultural decline, and political decline, and foreign power decline, and diplomatic decline, yes, Britain was there before. | ||
From a slightly different perspective, you know, it was really the The McDonalds-ization of the British high street that stripped away so much of its character and culture. | ||
Again, this comes back to all of the arguments we're having about corporate America and the corporate Western world today. | ||
It's interesting to me, and people should go out and find the pictures. | ||
Unfortunately, we were live just after the coffin arrived, because it arrived on a custom-designed Land Rover designed by Prince Philip himself. | ||
I think 15, 20 years ago, actually, was the design. | ||
And that Land Rover is a symbol of not just British innovation and once upon a time British jobs and manufacturing and all of that. | ||
It's also a sign of masculinity, quite frankly. | ||
And it also was about the environment. | ||
He was a big guy in the environment before a lot of people got on this thing. | ||
Well, he was a conservationist. | ||
Yes. | ||
Right? | ||
Not an environmentalist. | ||
Which conservatives should be. | ||
Right to conserve. | ||
Right. | ||
We're going to get the images. | ||
I've got to go. | ||
Let's play. | ||
So we've got Josh Rogan. | ||
So much happened in a day. | ||
We've got Naomi Wolf for the next hour. | ||
Josh Rogin, the author of, as we continue to say, I want everybody in this audience to buy this book. | ||
It's not a pro-Trump book, but it's not an anti-Trump book. | ||
Here's the key. | ||
When you read this book, I believe you understand, and this book is chaos under heaven for our podcast audience, Trump, Xi, and the battle for the 21st century, and that's what it is. | ||
It really shows, and I think it shows Donald Trump As a world-class statesman, because he has to juggle from the crazies of the super hawks of Bannon and Navarro and Miller and others to people that are saying, no, we've got to somehow live with these people in the world and everything in between. | ||
You're seeing Trump actually have to balance great power politics. | ||
I've got to go to this Megyn Kelly. | ||
Megyn Kelly, Josh Rogin was, this is an inflection point, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
We give you signal, not noise. | ||
Let's go to the Megyn Kelly interview clip and then we'll come back to Josh. | ||
Do you mention him in your list of names that are, you know, a little too connected to, I mean, is it the WHO or is it China? | ||
What is he too connected to for us to put our full trust in him? | ||
So, what you have to understand is that this body of research, this gain-of-function research, the whole world of virologists, and I came to learn a lot about how this operates over the last year and a half of writing this book. | ||
Uh, you know, it's very insular, okay? | ||
And I often talk to scientists who say the same thing. | ||
They say, listen, we really want to speak out about this, but we can't do it. | ||
Why can't we do it? | ||
Well, we get all of our funding from NIH or NIAD, which is the National Association for Infectious Diseases, which is run by Dr. Fauci for years and years and years. | ||
And so we can't say anything like, oh, gain-of-function research might be dangerous, or it might have come from the lab, because we're going to lose our careers, we're going to lose our funding, we're not going to be able to do the work. | ||
So there's this, you know, people like to say, oh, the scientists all think this, but there's a whole bunch of scientists, more and more are coming out, actually, and you see them every day. | ||
And Redfield's sort of signal was like, this is okay to do, you can say this, you know, but still they get attacked for being racist or whatever, and they might lose their funding. | ||
And the head of that pyramid, the head of the funding, the head of the entire field really is Anthony Fauci. | ||
He's the godfather of gain-of-function research as we know it. | ||
Now, that again, just what I said there, is like too hot for, you know, TV because people don't want to think about the fact that our hero of the pandemic, Dr. Fauci, might also have been connected to this research, which might also have been connected to the outbreaks. | ||
Again, I'm not alleging he did anything wrong. | ||
This was totally legal, right? | ||
He was issuing government grants, you know, through the regular process. | ||
The problem is not that they were doing something wrong or illegal. | ||
The problem is that nobody knows what this legal stuff was going on. | ||
And now all of a sudden we have to take a look at it. | ||
So can you, again, keep in your mind two things that Dr. Fauci, the hero of the pandemic, might also have had a role in the research that may have caused the pandemic. | ||
It's so aggravating how we were misled, how there wasn't anybody to trust. | ||
And now the truth is coming out, Josh. | ||
The truth is coming out about how everyone here has an agenda. | ||
Yes, it always does. | ||
And here's the message I want to leave your listeners with. | ||
I'm not a pro-Trump guy. | ||
I'm not an anti-Trump guy. | ||
If you read my book, Chaos Under Heaven, you'll see there's stuff about Trump that is not favorable to him. | ||
And if you love Trump, then you're going to have to reckon with that. | ||
But the bottom line is that the origin of the coronavirus is not a political question. | ||
It's a forensic question. | ||
It's a public health That's a good question. | ||
And here's the good news. | ||
We don't have to argue about Trump anymore because he's not president anymore. | ||
So now we can just sort of take another look and think again and have a reasoned discussion. | ||
Yes, as it turns out, scientists can be biased and even corrupted. | ||
And as it turns out, multilateral organizations like the WHO aren't functioning well. | ||
It doesn't mean we should scrap them, but it does mean that we have to be clear eyed about their flaws. | ||
And as it turns out, the Chinese Communist Party has campaigned for a year to stop us from looking into this lab for a reason. | ||
And that the only way we'll ever have any confidence that we gave it the best try we had to figure out this pandemic is to actually look into this theory once and for all. | ||
And that's what's gonna have to happen. | ||
And that's not gonna be easy. | ||
Okay, that's Josh Rogin with Megyn Kelly, an incredible interview. | ||
We'll put that in the live chat. | ||
You've got to listen to, and you ought to go back and listen to the entire podcast. | ||
We've got the clips, but I think we'll put the clip in there from Megyn Kelly, an extraordinary interview with Josh Rogin, our guest, and one of the, I think, the best-sourced, I don't think there's any question, the best-sourced reporter out there in any In any newspaper, any magazine, any source, on anything related to China and the Chinese Communist Party, Josh Rogin has looked, and he's looked at it as an honest broker, never an agenda, it's always the straight facts. | ||
That's why the book's so powerful, because you kind of get it with both barrels, right? | ||
But for all Trump people, Chaos Under Heaven is a book you need to read and you need to think about. | ||
Because it also talks about MAGA going forward, and America First going forward. | ||
I want to now bring in Josh Rogin. | ||
We've got a couple of minutes in this segment. | ||
Thank you for coming in, and thank you particularly, we've got the Prince Philip thing, so we want to make sure we cover that appropriately. | ||
Can we, today in April, we're at each other's throats with the vaccine and Michigan shutting down again and you got, you know, lockdowns and non-lockdowns and, you know, the Biden administration stumbling here maybe, you got the vaccine, our whole next hour is on the vaccine passports with Naomi Wolf, this whole controversy. | ||
Can we ever get A plan in going forward until we understand what happened in the lab and what is the source and origin of this virus. | ||
Right, right. | ||
In any major disaster in history, anywhere in the world, the most obvious thing to do is to figure out how the disaster occurred so that we can use that information to inform our policy and political decisions going forward. | ||
To prevent the next disaster, it seems pretty obvious, you know, and you can't let the Russians investigate Chernobyl and just take their word for it, and you can't let Robert Kardashian investigate OJ and just take his word for it. | ||
In other words, this disaster, which affects us all and continues to affect us all, we have to find out what the origin story is, not to blame China, Because, by the way, you could blame China for a bunch of other things related to the disaster. | ||
We don't need the origin story to blame China, but in order to prevent the next pandemic, to protect ourselves. | ||
And the reason that that is so important right now is because we have this opportunity now that Trump is no longer president to forget about whether or not we thought Trump was wrong or right when he implicated the lab. | ||
Forget about whatever we tweeted in March 2020 when this first came onto the scene and everyone said Tom Cotton was a conspiracy theory. | ||
None of that matters. | ||
And if we could take the politics out of this and realize that, okay, there are two theories, natural spillover and lab origin, and we need to check them out both. | ||
And if someone is telling you, no, we don't need to check out the lab, you have to examine why they're saying that. | ||
And the scientists that were the best friends in the lab, the Robert Kardashians to their OJ, No, don't worry, we know them as well as can be known, and therefore we asked them, they said the lab didn't do it, therefore don't you dare look at the lab. | ||
Now the problem with that and the reason we have an opportunity to fix that right now is because the head of the CDC, Robert Redfield, at the time of the outbreak said he thinks the lab origin theory is probably true. | ||
And secondly, the head of the WHO, who sent the team in that vindicated the lab while they're releasing the report of saying we shouldn't look into the lab, said we have to look into the lab. | ||
So we're going to have to look into the lab. | ||
We can't have the Friends of the Lab do it. | ||
We can't have the Chinese Communist Party do it. | ||
Someone else has got to do it. | ||
Let's take a short commercial break. | ||
The book is Chaos Under Heaven. | ||
The author is Josh Rogin from the Washington Post. | ||
He is in the War Room today in the house. | ||
We're going to continue with this entire discussion about what happened and how we get to the bottom of it in a second. | ||
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Okay, you're looking at the... This is the chapel at Windsor Castle. | ||
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Beautiful choir at the funeral of the Duke of Edinburgh. | ||
Yeah, that's right. | ||
So the choir is singing Eternal Father, the Rosimedra, I think it's pronounced, and the Jubilate, and Psalm 104. | ||
The Jubilate in C was written by Benjamin Britton at the Duke's request around 1961, and has become a staple in cathedrals and churches across the UK. | ||
So that's what's happening right now at Windsor. | ||
Did they sing Eternal Father first, separately? | ||
Yes. | ||
In the United States, you would know that as the Navy hymn, I believe, right? | ||
So, he was a naval officer, and that is a universal for the Royal Navy, the United States Navy being the heir to the Royal Navy. | ||
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Incredibly moving, very beautiful reading. | |
Yeah it's it's amazing and it's amazing not least because of just actually how empty it is you know how they have to have it very very uh spaced and there's only very few family members but it kind of sort of even adds to the the grandeur of all of this. | ||
Talking about the grandeur and how it's all interconnected, remember the hundred years of humiliation that we're dealing now with the Chinese Communist Party goes back to 1842 in Hong Kong, the Opium War. | ||
Every time she talks, when they're talking to the Congress, they always talk about the hundred years of humiliation, what the Chinese Communist Party has done, what they pitched to the Chinese people and the civilization is that we've now have gotten, starting to get vengeance on the West, that this hundred years was the worst hundred years in Chinese history. | ||
It started with Hong Kong. | ||
It exacerbated during the Taiping Rebellion, how the ever victorious army, basically made up of mercenaries and one of my heroes, Townsend, Ward Townsend, right, Townsend Ward, the mercenary from New England and then Chinese Gordon, the West, but the British particularly, got the, what they called the port treaties that allowed basically, they felt China to be chopped up by in Hong Kong and Canton and up in Shanghai. | ||
With the Germans and the Americans never really participated directly, although indirectly, the clipper ships out of the China seas and the China clipper ships out of Boston did the trade and the leadership has never forgotten that. | ||
And it's one of the issues we have today. | ||
It's one of the things that the Chinese whole concept of the face, they will never, let's make sure we understand something. | ||
They have grievances, to be fair. | ||
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Hitler had grievances. | ||
He had very legitimate grievances. | ||
It doesn't justify what he did. | ||
And this is, it gets back to the Chinese Communist Party, which I call a transnational criminal organization, like the Nazi Party, like the Fascist Party in Italy, like the military junta in Japan under Tojo, like the Soviet, like the Communist Party in China, they're just a transnational criminal organization. | ||
However, they're never going to let you into that lab unless they're forced to let you in the lab. | ||
Here's the good news. | ||
Yes, it would be very hard for anyone to ever find out what happened inside that lab. | ||
You know, they took down the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the world's largest repository of bat coronaviruses, which diplomats warned about in 2018, two years before the pandemic, about the coronavirus bat research that can affect humans, 10 miles from where the outbreak occurred. | ||
Their viral database was taken offline. | ||
In December 2019. | ||
Now what Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance and the Friends of the Lab will always tell you is, oh well they were getting hacked, so they had to take it offline. | ||
But if you think about it... | ||
To try to hack them to find out, because we didn't know about the virus in 2019, you would have needed a time machine to go back in time to hack them before we knew about the virus, if you were trying to hack them to find out about the virus. | ||
So it doesn't make any sense, okay? | ||
There's no conspiracies, but there's also no coincidences, right? | ||
The timing of that is... | ||
It just doesn't make any sense and people know that it doesn't make any sense because people are now sort of – the whole thing about the lab theory is that for a year it was like this discussion amongst journalists and the scientists who were the friends of the lab. | ||
Now Americans, people all over the world are talking about it and people are not stupid and they see that there's a problem here. | ||
And here's the good news is that even if they buried all of the smoking guns and all the people who knew about the smoking guns, there's a lot we can do on our side. | ||
We don't need them to start the investigation because those labs were working with American labs. | ||
Lots of them. | ||
Labs that were funded with $200 million of U.S. | ||
taxpayer money. | ||
And those labs are accountable and we do have oversight of them. | ||
I'm talking about the NIH and the NIAID and Equal Health Alliance and all of the gain-of-function research that was being done. | ||
And so before, just the fact that Dr. Tedros and Robert Redfield and all these people have now come out and said, okay, we can't be sure it was the lab, but we know that it could have been the lab. | ||
In other words, we know that there's a risk here. | ||
So even before we get the smoking gun, even before we figure it out, We know there's a risk, so we have to address the risk and we have to close the risk. | ||
How do we do that? | ||
Well, we start with all of the American labs and we go through all of their decision-making. | ||
How is this funding granted for this risky gain-of-function research? | ||
Who made those decisions? | ||
Were the procedures followed? | ||
If they weren't followed, where's the accountability for not following those procedures? | ||
Are those procedures sufficient? | ||
If not, how do we fix those procedures to make sure that the risk is mitigated? | ||
You know, were the grants awarded in the right way? | ||
If not, who's going to investigate that? | ||
Who's going to look into that? | ||
Now, this is why this community of virologists and Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance and all the rest are scared to death. | ||
Not because the lab accident theory implicates China, because it implicates us, okay? | ||
That's the big thing that people can't understand is that the lab accident theory is about our work with the Chinese scientists. | ||
taxpayers. | ||
And here's why it's really crazy, is because the current plan right now, according to the U.S. | ||
government, is to take that very research, that risky research that may have caused the pandemic, that was meant to predict the pandemic. | ||
We know we didn't predict it, right? | ||
Because it happened. | ||
And to times it by six, to put 1.2 billion dollars On top of the $200 million we already spent on this, to dig up 500,000 new viruses in the wild that are infectious to humans, to bring them to a bunch of labs and play around with them as much as we can. | ||
Does that seem like a good idea? | ||
Before we figure out if this was the research that caused the pandemic, don't you think we should find out if this was the research that caused the pandemic before we spend another billion dollars expanding it six-fold as our response to the pandemic? | ||
Do you want to do this every year? | ||
I don't want to do this every year. | ||
We should probably figure out how the pandemic started Before we create a whole new world of research that is risky, that we don't know what's going on, that could, even if it didn't start this pandemic, could definitely start the next one. | ||
That is the most concise outline of what the problem is, and here's what I think we've got to do, because we talked about this on the very first show back in 2023, and we had Gerts on that day, Washington Post went after him as a conspiracy theory, and Cotton. | ||
Everybody's got to lay down all their weapons, right, and say, hey, this is not a partisan issue. | ||
It doesn't matter. | ||
It doesn't matter. | ||
It's not political. | ||
It's not partisan. | ||
This is about how we go forward as a world. | ||
Have a go for the world. | ||
And I think we have to go back in time. | ||
Also, not just to the Obama administration and them shutting down gain of function and all that. | ||
We also have to go through, I think, and this is where the world's journalists and governments and intelligence agencies all kind of have to work together. | ||
And here's the point. | ||
We have to go through. | ||
Even the concept of how the P4 lab was approved. | ||
What was the French involvement? | ||
What was the understanding among nations about what was going to be done? | ||
In your book, you do a fantastic job. | ||
It's not that people were not concerned about this. | ||
There were people in the know that were very concerned about this. | ||
The memos from the state, the consulate, and we have a consulate in Wuhan. | ||
We have an embassy in Beijing. | ||
State Department employees went there very early on and they sent memos back to the State Department and a copy to NIH and these people that said, hey guys, we have a problem here. | ||
And the problem we have here is, and these are not anti-Chinese guys, these are guys... They wanted to help the lab! | ||
They have dedicated their life, as you know in the State Department, some people call it clientism, but you clearly love the culture and society you're at, and you're trying to have American interest. | ||
In trying to help the lab, they put out a cry for help to say... They sent up a flare. | ||
A flare saying, we have a problem, and this is going to be a bigger problem, and completely I would like, but here's what I would like to get to the bottom to. | ||
In your reporting, as we know today, and you're the most well-sourced reporter, nobody cared. | ||
But I would kind of like to get into the email strain and who actually talked and was like that, because it's so stunning that nobody cared. | ||
I just can't buy that somebody didn't see it and go, hey, problem. | ||
Call the French. | ||
So to be clear, because when U.S. | ||
diplomats visited the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2017 and 2018, this was two years before the pandemic. | ||
So this doesn't mean that they solved the pandemic. | ||
It means they predicted the pandemic. | ||
Because they wrote in these memos that this research, gain-of-function research, using the S-protein to infect an ACE2 human lung receptor, was the exact research that they were concerned about. | ||
Because they had published some of it, but not all of it. | ||
And this is the other lie that Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance people will tell you is that we knew everything that they were doing. | ||
Hang on, you just used a loaded phrase there. | ||
You said lie. | ||
What do you mean by that, sir? | ||
According to the Biden administration, this is not me saying this. | ||
This is the Biden administration and the Trump administration said that there was a lot of undisclosed research, including research with the military at the lab. | ||
Peter Daszak says, no, we knew everything that was happening there and we didn't know about the coronavirus, so therefore they're innocent. | ||
Now, one of them has to be lying, okay? | ||
They can't both be telling the truth. | ||
In other words, I'm not calling Peter Daszak a liar. | ||
The Trump and Biden administrations are calling him a liar. | ||
By the way, he's calling the U.S. | ||
government liars for putting out all this information about, hey, we actually don't know what was going on in the lab, we should probably try to figure it out. | ||
And, you know, if you listen to April Haynes in her testimony, she says, we don't know what happened. | ||
The Biden administration, amazingly, Doesn't care which theory is right, because they weren't there. | ||
They weren't part of the politicization of this. | ||
They're not bought into this idea that the lab must be innocent. | ||
They weren't in power. | ||
So they're just trying to get to the bottom of it. | ||
Not like they're trying very hard, but they are trying. | ||
Let's take a short commercial break. | ||
We're going to go to Windsor Castle to the chapel. | ||
We're going to come back with Josh Rogin. | ||
But I just want to say, and particularly everybody out there in the activist audience, get a book for a friend. | ||
Get a book for a friend. | ||
Get a book for the biggest Trump hater in your thing. | ||
Get chaos into heaven. | ||
I just go to page 267, the Wuhan Cable. | ||
If you need a primer, no, we know the War Room Posse, you've heard this over and over again for over a year, but it's now becoming, it's now become a thing, right? | ||
It's going to become a thing. | ||
Get your friends, get them to read the book, and at least get an understanding of kind of the structure of what has been revealed to date and what has to be revealed. | ||
The Wuhan cable chapter will blow your head up. | ||
Okay, short commercial break. | ||
We'll return with Josh Rogin from The Washington Post and Raheem Kassam's commentary on Prince Philip next. | ||
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Okay, we have Windsor, the chapel at Windsor. | ||
Rahim, where are we in the funeral service? | ||
Right, so now we're at the prayers. | ||
The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Dean of Windsor are reading the prayers out before the family there. | ||
Just a little colour to this occasion, or rather a little more colour to this occasion, which I think Prince Philip would have loved. | ||
A topless protester has run in front of a crowd near Windsor Castle, shortly after the minute's silence, shouting, of course, Save the Planet. | ||
And police swiftly removed it, but I'm sure I'm positive that the Duke of Edinburgh may well have appreciated that moment. | ||
Real quickly, the Archbishop of Canterbury involved in a situation with Harry Hewitt and Meghan Markle. | ||
I guess today's not the day to say that. | ||
With Harry and Meghan Markle. | ||
Stay classy, okay? | ||
Archbishop Canterbury did not, according to Megan, married them in the backyard. | ||
That wasn't true, right? | ||
I don't want to say the war room was the first one to say it, but I said from that interview, the very first thing I said, the biggest lie had to be that. | ||
No, I come in the next morning and I'm going through all this listening of things and Steve just goes, stop. | ||
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What's the biggest tell in the whole thing? | |
And I was like, what do you mean? | ||
She's talking about all this stuff. | ||
And he goes, she said they were married three days before she effectively admitted to perpetrating a fraud on the entire nation by getting married publicly three days later. | ||
Just check, listen, look at how they're rolling right here. | ||
Okay. | ||
I'm Irish. | ||
I'm of Irish descent. | ||
So look, we know the way, but no, no, it's look at, look at how they're rolling. | ||
The Archbishop of Canterbury is not marrying anybody in flip-flops and jams in the, in the, in the, in the back. | ||
It's not, it's called a lie. | ||
And that was just, they said they talked to them about their wedding vows. | ||
It turns out, you know, maybe. | ||
Oh, is that the, that was the cleanup? | ||
That's the cleanup. | ||
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Wow. | |
Boy, so cynical. | ||
You're such a cynical journalist. | ||
The clean-up. | ||
Okay, let's talk about, we're going to jump in here with everything else again. | ||
I want to turn now to Josh. | ||
I think maybe even, if we can bring some of the volume up here, the choir is just singing, it's singing the anthem, Russian, Contaxion of the Departed. | ||
I just want people to get a small idea of what some of the audio is from this event. | ||
It's very very well selected very carefully curated But I understand we have a guest in serious to the shoemakers. | ||
But I want to connect dots. | ||
The wealth, the majesty you see here is built upon the wealth of the greatest empire the world had ever seen from the Roman Empire. | ||
OK, that was built on from a single island. | ||
Right. | ||
Exporting its rule of law and functions like that. | ||
But the Navy and much of that wealth and power came from China in the 19th century. | ||
Right. | ||
That's one way to connect the dots. | ||
I would connect them a different way. | ||
I would say that absolute power corrupts absolutely, that monarchical, totalitarian, hereditary power systems are necessarily unjust and corrupt and must be opposed wherever they stand. | ||
Now, that doesn't apply to the current monarchy because it's more of a Disneyland Mickey Mouse version of it, but look at the CCP. | ||
It's a religion. | ||
It's a family-based, clique-based mafia organization. | ||
And, you know, what can we say other than that the British royalty, in and of itself, was directly and continues in some way to be a religion? | ||
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Did I hurt my brain if I give a guy a hug in the middle of a... I'm not the expert, I'm just saying... This is how I know he's never leaving the Washington Post, right? | |
He's never going... I don't think that's... You have a dictatorship of a kind here, it's just called a bureaucracy, rather than anything else. | ||
false equivalence. It's not a false equivalence at all. If anything, listen, listen, the different... | ||
Now with the CCP. If we had a... You have a state in this country, you have a state... Well, hold on a minute. You could say the exact same thing about prime ministers who were elected, who were avowed republicans for most of their entire lives. | ||
You could say that, but you'd be wrong. Well, no. I mean, you have the exact same situation here. You have a... Except the only difference is your bureaucrats are behind the scenes and unaccountable, and our so-called totalitarian leaders are front-facing and the public loves them. | ||
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I I mean, I'm not... I don't even know where to go with that. | |
Dr. Fauci and all of these guys are the... Let's go, hang on. | ||
Now we're talking about states run by sons of sons of sons of people who were great. | ||
Which is always a bad idea. | ||
He's a wannabe Irish Republican here, but that's a debate for another time. | ||
No, I learned that from Thomas Paine, you know, and Thomas Jefferson, and the American Revolution, which was based on the idea that... By the way, the beginning of the unraveling of this came from the loss of the American empire, right? | ||
The beginning of the constitutional monarchy really started because George III lost the United States. | ||
That's when they made the Reform Act of 1832. | ||
I only got Rogan for an hour, man. | ||
their form act of 1832 look the the the the monarchy I can only get Rogan for an hour man no no no the failed English Revolution and how's that worked out for It worked out great. | ||
We spread liberty and freedom throughout the world. | ||
It's the Cousins Award. | ||
Yes, you bombed it five trillion dollars worth of liberty on Afghanistan. | ||
Mistakes were made. | ||
It's worked really well. | ||
It's worked really well. | ||
But if you ask the people of Europe and Asia who are not living under King's... But how does... Let's see, the French Revolution was the direct result of the American Revolution. | ||
Hold on a minute. | ||
You're saying the French Revolution was a good thing? | ||
Yes, the overthrow of the monarchy, it didn't go, it wasn't pretty. | ||
By the way, I think the French Revolution was a good idea. | ||
I'm not saying mistakes weren't made, but yes, democracy in France and Europe. | ||
Any French conservative would be a totally repugnant fighter. | ||
Talk to the Resemblant Nationale. | ||
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Why do you think the Resemblant Nationale guys are not French revolutionaries? | |
They're not enlightened. | ||
I agree, I'm not an Enlightenment thinker. | ||
By the way, the most corrupt and most disgusting aristocracy is the European aristocracy. | ||
Till today, they're all hanging out. | ||
The bureaucracy, the European Union is the modern European aristocracy. | ||
I agree with that, but I'm saying the aristocracy is still there. | ||
Anyway, I only got time for an hour. | ||
I declare victory. | ||
These English guys... | ||
I... you know... | ||
But how does... okay, you talked about the Chinese Communist Party you're not quite as bad as... | ||
I say a transnational criminal organization but you get close to that. How does... | ||
The way I describe it in the book is a cartel with an aristocratic sheen. | ||
And that aristocratic sheen would be Wan, Xi, Shan, and Xi... | ||
Xi Jinping is a princeling. | ||
His father was part of the original crowd. | ||
The families are the power. | ||
They form factions and the factions hate each other and they kill each other all the time. | ||
We think, you know, Steve Bannon versus Steve Mnuchin is some sort of bare knuckles fight. | ||
But these guys will kill each other and steal from each other and put each other in prison. | ||
They're doing it all the time and Xi is just the biggest He's an emperor. | ||
He's the biggest thug. | ||
He's an emperor. | ||
He is. | ||
Well, I mean, yeah, you could say he's an emperor. | ||
I would just say he's the boss of the mafia family. | ||
Here's what I don't understand. | ||
Why is it... For now. | ||
Why is it that the established order of the United States and the party of Davos thinks they can be in business? | ||
Because there's a lot of money to being in business with the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
A lot of it. | ||
So much of it. | ||
And all these Wall Street firms and index funds and hedge funds and pension funds, they're getting paid on both ends. | ||
and then the Goldman Sachs and the Ernst Youngs, they're helping the Chinese Communist Party execute its economic strategy and military expansion, which is pointed at us using our money. | ||
The greatest flow of wealth and power is not actually the stealing of the IPR and the trade bulge. | ||
That is real stuff. | ||
The biggest is the Wall Street stuff. | ||
It's trillions of dollars of American investor money. | ||
Your pension, my pension, I don't know if you have a pension here, but if you did... | ||
Being invested passively without your knowledge... | ||
But the deplorables do. | ||
It's the working class in this country. | ||
Hundreds of millions of Americans without their knowledge are having their futures invested in malign Chinese companies of all kinds. | ||
The companies that build the cameras that sit atop the concentration camp walls. | ||
The companies that have the Uyghurs pick the cotton as slaves and then if you dare to raise your voice and say hey I don't want to put that slave cotton on my back They'll punish your company and ruin your business. | ||
This is what happened to H&M and Nike and all the rest. | ||
So you better put that, you know, cotton on your back and we're gonna send you a boat full of hair. | ||
And we promise that the Uyghurs were paid for that hair. | ||
If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you. | ||
And the big reveal, the big epiphany of the Trump administration was that, wait, we have to be honest about that. | ||
We can disagree about how we deal with China. | ||
We can disagree about the tactics. | ||
We can't overreact. | ||
We don't want a Cold War. | ||
That's a bumper sticker. | ||
Don't let them fool you into thinking, oh, you just want a Cold War. | ||
No, we want to avoid the conflict. | ||
But the best way to avoid the conflict is to be honest about what we're dealing with. | ||
And that's a Chinese Communist Party that's engaged in genocide. | ||
And that will punish you economically if you dare not to shut up about it. | ||
And that's a big problem. | ||
That's a difficult problem. | ||
But we can't just shut up about it, okay? | ||
We can't just put the concentration camp hair on our heads and say thank you and pay them for their trouble. | ||
It's not going to work. | ||
You know why? | ||
Because Americans don't want to do that. | ||
And the more that they're aware of this, the more that they want our government to do something about it. | ||
And that's where we are. | ||
We've acknowledged we have this problem, but we haven't figured out what we want to do about it. | ||
In April of 2021, as we sit today, having that they've stiffed on us and trying to get to the truth, and you have these Western institutions that are just kowtowing to them right across the board. | ||
Correct. | ||
Your theory here, or your description of the Super Hawks, that said it's not China, it's not the Chinese people, It's not the overseas Chinese, it has nothing to do with the Chinese, it's a great civilization. | ||
It's this criminal organization, however you describe it, and if that is not taken down and destroyed today, and this was said back in 16 and right after we won, the whole concept was not just confrontation, And not competition, and not even confrontation, but a plan to actually confront them, to take them down brick by brick. | ||
If you said that six years from now, right, and I was mocked and ridiculed, but principally on the pages of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal with the guy saying you can't, these super hawks are crazy, these super hawks are dangerous, that we would not be in this jam today if we had had even more intense confrontation. | ||
Your book is all the balancing of the people that are wanting to go all in immediately, saying that if we don't it's going to pass, versus, you've got hardliners and realists, I mean you have guys that are saying... And then you have the Wall Street clique who's complicit, who wants to stop everyone from confronting Chinese communists. | ||
party behavior of all kinds. Now you and I may disagree on what's the tactic, right? | ||
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Yes. But we have a shared kind of understanding of the scope and scale of the problem. Now if you say to me, hey Josh we just got to take down the CCP, what I might say and what I argue in the book very clearly is, okay that what they're doing to their own people in their country, that's a problem. | ||
But the more urgent problem is what they're doing to us on our soil. | ||
And I'm talking about their threats to our security, our public health, our prosperity and our freedom. | ||
When they tell you you can't tweet about Hong Kong or we're going to punish the NBA, well, that's something millions of Americans are like, OK, we can't have that. | ||
And when – if the Chinese Communist Party is going to seed our universities with billions of dollars so that we can never have the Dalai Lama come to any university again, OK, well, that's something we can deal with on our end. | ||
So the corruption and the influence, we have to start here at home. | ||
And that solves two purposes. | ||
It's easier than trying to change China because they have a real stranglehold on that country and we're not – it's kind of hubristic I think to think that we're going to be able to crash that. | ||
But more importantly, we have to protect ourselves first, and that will resonate with Americans, Democrats and Republicans, pro-Trump people and non-pro-Trump people who realize that we have all a common interest. | ||
And in that way, if we start just by dealing with what the Chinese Communist Party is doing inside the borders of the United States, we can build that new consensus and then use that consensus with our partners and allies to effect real change, or if we can't change, at least protect ourselves from the worst of the stuff. | ||
And in that way, we can move past our two realities, and we can move past our. | ||
Broken political system and find some sort of unity and some sort of path forward for our country. | ||
Okay, we're going to turn with Josh Rogin also in a moment. | ||
I just want to say, yes, by the way, and that makes total sense. | ||
The only thing that has moved this game plan up, because they have a very well thought through game plan as they put in unrestricted warfare, is now the Chinese Central Bank is going to get in back of a digital currency. | ||
The biggest weapon we have in this is our capital. | ||
The biggest weapon we have is the U.S. | ||
dollar. | ||
They understand that, okay? | ||
They're coming hard. | ||
Your life is about to change even more dramatically than this virus when they come after the prime reserve currency of the world. | ||
That's the United States dollar. | ||
All next in The War Room. | ||
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War Room. | |
Pandemic. | ||
With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
War Room. | ||
Pandemic. | ||
Here's your host Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
Okay Rahim, where are we in the elements reflecting the long life? | ||
We have another commentator here. | ||
So the National Anthem has just played and the attendees are now filing out of the chapel of St George's Chapel. | ||
The Queen being led by the Dean of Windsor out of the chapel there and you can see all the family members filing out so you know it's been visually I mean we haven't obviously we're live we haven't got to I'm glad they chose to do it at a time when we could air it live. | ||
visually in the on the television is about to happen in the absence of a ceremony uh... and i'm glad they chose to do it on the weekend every month yes i think there's a but i think it was a part of it and i should get the american artists have a little bit of international for international audience and it's stunning Look at the totally blue skies. | ||
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Yes. | |
Josh Rogan and I would both agree they know how to market. | ||
An extraordinary guy. | ||
An alpha male in a beta male world. | ||
So we'll have more commentary by Raheem. | ||
But you know what? | ||
I will say this. | ||
I've been thinking about it a lot lately. | ||
We got about as much of him as we could. | ||
99 years old, a very full life. | ||
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22,000! | |
In his 100th year. | ||
Just about turned 100 in June. | ||
22,000 official appointments over the course of his life. | ||
My dear father's in his 100th year also. | ||
Turned 100 this fall. | ||
Pretty extraordinary. | ||
And he was very active all the way to the end. | ||
Okay, we're pressed for time. | ||
By the way, the next hour, Naomi Wolf will be doing an incredible special with her for an entire hour on the vaccine. | ||
You know, her new writings about that. | ||
But here, and by the way, can we announce that you're going on the other podcast? | ||
There's another competing podcast with us that he's going to go on later. | ||
I want to make sure we sell more books. | ||
Seriously, it's a challenge. | ||
Everybody needs to get one for yourself. | ||
Get one. | ||
If you really want to find out what happened in the Trump administration on the most important issue of our day, and that is the confrontation with the Chinese Communist Party, right? | ||
And I realize people are blowing me up. | ||
Good, bad, and the ugly. | ||
Good, bad, and the ugly. | ||
It's called chaos, and I realize people in our live chat, no, it's election law, but that's all a subset of this struggle. | ||
Right. | ||
In fact, Mike Lindell's in Tulsa. | ||
He's coming out on Monday on this new social media platform. | ||
The next day, his next two hour film, he ties it directly back to the CCP. | ||
Now, he's got to show the receipts on that. | ||
Right. | ||
He's got to show the receipts because he's making some pretty big claims that Mike says he's got all this information. | ||
But my point is, it's all inextricably linked in your future. | ||
And this is why this digital currency is so big. | ||
Don't think that you're. | ||
First of all, the CBO, the Correctional Budget Office, said $16 trillion out of the American economy because of the virus. | ||
Also, DNI came out the other day, said this is the biggest event really in American history for hitting the United States. | ||
That's the Director of National Intelligence under Biden, but still with people appointed by Trump. | ||
CIA director, FBI, all of that. | ||
So Josh, where do we go from here? | ||
As we said, our theory of the case is, as we said from the show started, you can't get to a solution until you understand what the problem is. | ||
And we still don't today. | ||
And nobody understands what the problem is. | ||
What is your recommendation, as the most well-sourced guy and reporter in the world, what do you say we do? | ||
No, I mean, again, this is not... I didn't make this stuff up. | ||
There are lots and lots of scientists, including virologists, including Robert Redfield, a virologist who was the head of the CDC during the outbreak. | ||
Not a completely unproblematic person, but in a position to know. | ||
And what they all tell me, some privately, some publicly, but more and more every day, is that we need a real investigation into all the possible theories, full stop. | ||
Okay? | ||
Is that a crazy thing to say? | ||
Is that so controversial? | ||
Hey, we should look at the possible theories, investigate all of them, and see what's what, okay? | ||
Not pushing one, not pushing the other. | ||
Now, I happen to think the circumstantial evidence pointing to the lab accident theory is very compelling. | ||
Whereas, if you look at the natural spillover theory, despite Peter Daszak searching thousands of palm civets and prairie dogs and raccoon dogs and pangolins, In markets all over Greater China. | ||
Not one! | ||
Not one piece of evidence. | ||
No evidence of a natural spillover. | ||
Not one pangolin or palm civet or raccoon dog dead or alive that's connected to the outbreak, despite all his searching. | ||
Now he wants to search the Popsicle Theory, which is frozen food packages brought the virus into Wuhan from Norway, maybe, or something like that. | ||
And I say to Peter Daszak and all of those guys who messed up the WHO report, wasted a year of this investigation, I say, go ahead, go look for every palm civet Frozen fish package from Kabul to Bishkek and spend 10 years doing it. | ||
And if you find the virus, mea culpa, I will lead the parade celebrating your great discovery. | ||
At the same time, someone else is going to have to check out this lab. | ||
Both of them. | ||
All the labs. | ||
There's a bunch of labs. | ||
And then we got to check out all the labs here. | ||
And that's going to require congressional push, congressional oversight, a willingness by the Biden administration to turn over some rocks that are going to make a lot of people uncomfortable because those labs are run by Americans, including At the top of the pyramid, Anthony Fauci, and it's very, very... | ||
Sensitive, and I get it, and I'm not accusing Fauci of anything. | ||
I'm just saying that there's no way to look at what Robert Redfield said, which is that gain-of-function research probably caused the pandemic, and then not know that he knew that he's calling out Anthony Fauci. | ||
I'm not calling out Anthony Fauci. | ||
Robert Redfield called him out, and everyone ignored it, and there was silence, and that's weird, and we can't just ignore it because there's no statute of limitation on three million deaths, and every one of those coffins comes with a lawyer. | ||
And five billion people were affected. | ||
Seven billion people were affected. | ||
And so we're going to need to get to the bottom of this. | ||
It means we're going to need to investigate the lab. | ||
That means asking some tough questions of Anthony Fauci. | ||
And I'm sure he doesn't want to be asked those questions, but, you know, tough. | ||
Who's got your recommendation now, by the way, write this down on his Megyn Kelly interview, the follow up. | ||
Your life has changed. | ||
I think you're because you're known as a truth teller and somebody gets to the bottom of it. | ||
But we'll we'll discuss in the days and weeks ahead, because you're going to the heart of the apparatus. | ||
How would you recommend today the Biden administration and other countries Do start the investigation with the Fauci gain-of-function experiments. | ||
Again, this is not my idea. | ||
This is what all of the, lots and lots of scientists, first some, there was a letter from 24 of them who published an open letter detailing what they think the investigation would look like. | ||
I encourage all of your viewers to go Google it. | ||
You'll find it very easily. | ||
It didn't get much coverage in the press for some reason, right? | ||
And then there's a new, there are all these new organizations that are doing independent investigations. | ||
So, what should the scientific investigation look like? | ||
I'm willing to leave that to the scientists, but not to the scientists who are the best friends of the lab. | ||
Not to the scientists who have a clear conflict of interest, because they, you know, may be very nice people who are just trying to prevent the pandemic, but they can't be trusted because they have a conflict of interest. | ||
Okay, what's your Twitter feed? | ||
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Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
I want to thank you, Josh, for coming in here into the War Room. | ||
A huge fan favorite. | ||
Next, Naomi Wolf talks about the vaccine passports. | ||
You do not want to miss this. | ||
This is another throwdown. | ||
Okay, I want to thank you and Rahim. | ||
Very, in the break, a very, very big story about Biden's presumptive China ambassador, Nick Burns, up as lead story on the National Pulse right now. | ||
You want to know who this guy's really been working with? | ||
They call him a career diplomat. | ||
No such thing. | ||
National Pulse is the cutting edge of the investigative reporting over everything related to China. | ||
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