April 3, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
| France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| This is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
| France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
| Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always. | ||
| Because if you don't, then the worst happens. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It is Holy Saturday. | ||
| It is the 3rd of April, the year of our Lord, 2021. | ||
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| Okay, we're now honored to be joined on our Holy Saturday special, Descent into Hell, Transhumanism and the New Human Race. | ||
| I want to bring on Mark Jephtavik. | ||
| We had him on the show about a month ago. | ||
| Very controversial, trended for a while, went viral, his interview. | ||
| On an article, I think it was on the Axis of Easy, which was the website, was Transhumanism, the New Religion of Technocracy. | ||
| Mark, thank you for joining us from Canada today. | ||
| And I got so much to go through, particularly since Patrick Wood and Andrew Torbas teed you up so well. | ||
| But walk us through your definition of transhumanism. | ||
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What do you define it as? | |
| For me, transhumanism—and thanks for having me back on the show, by the way—but for me, transhumanism is the fourth corner of what I see as a four-pillared structure that I call techno-utopianism. | ||
| And that is scientism, this belief in science over the scientific method, actually, and all practical outcomes. | ||
| It's a belief in government as a service, not really as a representative of What the constituents actually want. | ||
| It's more of a algo-based, data-driven, well, more of a model-driven technocratic structure. | ||
| It's the idea that economic downturns can be eliminated through micromanagement of the economy so that you can sort of suspend economic reality by edict. | ||
| And the fourth corner of that for me is transhumanism because All of the above is a radical material reductionist view of society. | ||
| So there has to be something that fills the void, because humanity has needed that, you know, it takes, it takes the form of religion, it takes the form of spirituality, it takes the form of contemplative practices, all of that kind of goes away in this techno utopian model. | ||
| So you have to put something in the vacuum. | ||
| And that, in my mind, is this belief system that we can attain immortality and God-like omniscience through uploading our consciousness into the cloud and going beyond our human limitations and that's transhumanism and that's the sort of Religious drop in replacement for spirituality in this. | ||
| So we've talked, we've talked about many books that are right now. | ||
| Walter Isaacson, we strongly recommend it. | ||
| We predicted this would be the number one New York Times bestseller, Codebreaker, about Dr. Jennifer Doudna, who was awarded the Nobel Prize last year for gene editing. | ||
| Also her book, Cracking Creation. | ||
| Dr. Doudna wrote this back in 2017, and her subtitle is Cracking Creation, Gene Editing and the Unthinkable Power to Control Evolution. | ||
| Dr. Doudna and, of course, Yuval Harari, the Israeli historian, Homo Deus, A Brief History of Tomorrow 3, that people, we strongly recommend, along with Technocracy from Patrick Wood, in your writings that they get a hold of right now, because they've got to immerse themselves in this topic. | ||
| I want to go, we've got a couple things that are converging on a point, this point called the technological singularity, and you've got advanced chip design, you've got regenerative robotics, you've got artificial intelligence or artificial general intelligence, and now you have the aspect of biotechnology, or really what Dr. Doudna and these people are perfecting is gene editing, and you can see this, you know, Moderna and I think Pfizer's | ||
| Vaccines, or what some people in science would call, actually, experimental gene therapies, right, are from that. | ||
| But the convergence of those now, Mark, and each one hurtling down in its own kind of industrial logic, are going to lead us at some point in time. | ||
| And at one point, it was considered hundreds of years ago, and now people say it's 2045. | ||
| And I've, I've talked to many people said, no, no, no, no, no, this thing could be five or 10 years away. | ||
| What is the convergence of this in transhumanism? | ||
| And what do people talk about when they actually discuss post-homo sapien? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Because we, the primates and the homo sapiens, you know, if you're religious in the Judeo-Christian ethic, particularly believe you're made in the image and likeness of God. | ||
| What is this convergence point and what happens? | ||
| How are we going to get there? | ||
| What's the belief system that gets us there? | ||
| And then what happens afterwards? | ||
| So the singularity To me, it appears to be almost an eschatological outcome of techno-utopianism. | ||
| They feel that because technology is advancing at such a rapid pace, and let's not dispute that, we'll stipulate to that, that science really is advancing very quickly. | ||
| Technological advancement is happening very quickly. | ||
| Things like radical life extension are in the cards. | ||
| Things like gene editing are already here, but to get from there to immortality is a bit of a leap, but one that they seem happy to make. | ||
| So they think that Moore's Law, for example, will continue indefinitely, even though Moore himself said that it wouldn't. | ||
| And that's basically that processing power doubles and the size of the chip halves every Hang on, just for our audience to understand, that means that your cell phone, or your teenage daughter's cell phone, or granddaughter's cell phone, that she's 14 walking around in, has more computing power than the entire Johnson Space Center at Cape Canaveral when we went to the moon in 1968. | ||
| That shows you about Moore's Law, right? | ||
| Yeah, in approximate. | ||
| Yeah, and exactly. | ||
| And so the idea is this is going to continue indefinitely. | ||
| And so at some point, you're going to have so much processing power in a chip that the next step is going to be you'll have a chip that eclipses the human brain because the human brain has trillions of neural connections in it. | ||
| And it's the most formidable processing device in existence right now. | ||
| They think that they're going to get to that level within the next I don't know, five to seven years even. | ||
| And then beyond that, because of this exponential curve, then they're going to have chips that not only eclipse the human brain, they're going to eclipse all human brains put together and in a single chip. | ||
| And then at that magical point, and I call it magical, technology starts forking off copies of itself, ever more super intelligent artificial intelligences that sort of Put humanity off into the corner and say, don't worry, we're going to solve all the problems now because we've got this. | ||
| You also have artificial intelligence today, machine learning, which people see or know something about and can see that on the computer as ideas come up for them to follow. | ||
| But then you've got artificial general intelligence, which also, with advanced chip design, takes this to the whole next level also, correct? | ||
| Yeah, well, let's be clear, or at least The way I look at things, there is no such thing as artificial intelligence. | ||
| I call AI. | ||
| We came up with this on the Access of Easy podcast a few weeks ago. | ||
| AI stands for algorithmic imitation. | ||
| That's what AI is. | ||
| And so these people believe that if you can come up with something that could pass a Turing test, for example, if you can create an algo that through a blind screen you can't tell that you're talking to a person. | ||
| What if I was an algo, not a person, and I appear pretty genuine to you, Well, then the artificial intelligence crew would say, well, there's there's an example of artificial intelligence, but it's not artificial general intelligence, because if I was an algo perfectly able to mimic a normal back and forth conversation with you, I would have no awareness of it. | ||
| I wouldn't be able to even think about it or have an opinion of it. | ||
| I'm not intelligent. | ||
| I'm not self-aware. | ||
| I'm not self-conscious. | ||
| I'm just algorithmically imitating a guy having a conversation with you on Skype. | ||
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Well, talk about that. | |
| Talk about the algorithms and artificial intelligence or imitation, right? | ||
| Where can that lead us with chip design, with robotics, and now with gene editing? | ||
| I mean, do you see, and I realize you're a skeptic, which I think is one of the reasons I wanted to have you on here. | ||
| Do you see us getting to the singularity point anytime within the lived experience of anybody that would be watching this show or listening to the show? | ||
| I see us possibly getting to a point of scientific advancement that it makes everybody's head spin. | ||
| I see that happening. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| I do not see a singularity occurring. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Because the singularity is based on the premise that intelligence arises out of massively parallel computing. | ||
| And we had this conversation the last time I was on. | ||
| You either have to Well, you don't have to do anything, but you either believe that what we regard as thought and consciousness is a non-material reality unto itself that is part of this universe, or you think that it's that heat from a toaster. | ||
| You think it's an epiphenomenon of the brain. | ||
| And the artificial intelligence and the techno-utopians believe That intelligence is an epiphenomenon of the brain, so they're just trying to build better brains all the time. | ||
| And somehow, they think out of this will leap self-awareness and super-intelligence and this singularity that's going to have all-knowing, omniscient access to all data throughout all of existence. | ||
| I mean, if you read the Ray Kurzweil book, I mean, he literally thinks that this will then set off a kind of chain reaction that will animate What he feels is an otherwise dead universe and bring it all to life in the image of this super AI that we initiated the process of creating before the singularity. | ||
| It's all very end times-ish in its own way. | ||
| I know, that's why I don't want us to be accused of being the end timers guys. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| But I think people got to understand, and this is why I love having you on, is that Kurzweil is not some... | ||
| Crank out in the woods, you know, coming up with wild manifestos. | ||
| He's an executive vice president at Google, correct? | ||
| I mean, he's been brought into Google at the senior most levels of strategic kind of planning. | ||
| The question I've got for you when we come back from the break, are the techno utopians Whether you agree with them or not, or think this can be pulled off, are the techno-utopians, are their thought processes and their beliefs underpin much of Wall Street, global corporations, the universities, and most importantly, the labs and the scientists out there. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to return with Mark Jephtovic from Canada in a moment on War Room Pandemic, our Holy Saturday special, Descent into Hell, Transhumanism and the New Human Race. | ||
| We'll be back in a moment. | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| Mark Jephtovic is our guest, one of the smartest guys around. | ||
| He's the author of a book that's going to be coming out sometime later. | ||
| The Singularity has been cancelled. | ||
| Now, Mark, I realize you think it's been canceled, but my question is, isn't the thought process that imbues not just the entire globalization project, but much of Wall Street and much of global corporations, the universities, the national laboratories, our top scientists, isn't this techno-utopia? | ||
| Aren't they bought in? | ||
| If you say the singularity has been canceled, You know, that's Jaftevik and maybe some crazy people in the Judeo-Christian community, right? | ||
| But it ain't the vast amount of people who are making decisions right now. | ||
| What say you, sir? | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| I mean, this is the underlying zeitgeist of our age right now, is this techno-utopianism. | ||
| The title, my working title on the book, is a little bit of a jab at that. | ||
| It's a little bit of a jab at cancel culture. | ||
| And at the end of the day, I just don't think it's going to work. | ||
| And one of the tenets of the book is that a lot of these ideas, they're not new ideas. | ||
| This kind of thinking has been going on for All of recorded history, really. | ||
| The Tower of Babel is a story of techno-utopianism gone bad. | ||
| The first technocracy, I think, was the French Revolution, the terrors. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Why do you say that? | ||
| We're big students of the French Revolution. | ||
| Why do you say that? | ||
| Because you probably know more about it than I, but from what I have read, the Committee for Public Safety just tried to micromanage time, the world, everything, right? | ||
| It's like, we're going to re-divide the calendar into 10 even months, we're going to rename all the cantons in France, we're going to make them perfect squares, and it was just a disaster. | ||
| But it's a good metaphor for where we are today, where we have central bankers saying, well, we know the exact proper interest rate, and we know what money supply should be, and if we just tweak these knobs here and there, we're going to have a perfect Goldilocks economy forever. | ||
| And that's not really what's happening, is it? | ||
| So it's this religion of expert management, centralization, and as I realized the more I researched and explored on this book, it has these Marxist ideals or undercurrents, and even, and I don't mean this in a literal biblical sense, but almost in the nature of the thinking, the eluciferian sense, because it's trying to challenge the idea of the | ||
| The role that God would have in the mythology or in the mental construct of humanity. | ||
| It's like, no. | ||
| Exit. | ||
| You mean Lucifer in the Milton's Paradise Lost, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Lucifer. | ||
| Better to serve in hell than to reign in heaven. | ||
| Well, in this sense, but also because Lucifer was cast out of heaven for challenging God. | ||
| He tried to stage a coup d'etat, basically. | ||
| So this is what... | ||
| Whether you're a believer or not, that's basically what we're trying to do, is we're kind of trying to upstage wherever this reality came from, and we're trying to take the reins and say, we've got this, we're in charge, we can micromanage this reality. | ||
| Because even the email I sent you the other day, the Popular Mechanics article, I mean, this is also mainstream now, the Popular Mechanics article was talking about these | ||
| Dyson spheres and these quantum realities which I don't dispute but I mean they're saying that they can be manipulated to the end of eliminating death and achieving personal immortality and bringing about a singularity and I think that even if we're flattering ourselves with our technological capabilities as as intimidating as they are as impressive as they are but | ||
| We still, I think, even if we can make some of these technologies work, I think we're a little early in the game to be manipulating reality to our own benefit, because we can't even get money supply right. | ||
| I want to go back, you know, talk about Genesis and the Tree of Knowledge, right? | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| A lot of people put up a thing of this is for the good of mankind. | ||
| We're going to solve, you know, with gene editing, we're going to solve Down syndrome and all these genetic defects people have. | ||
| People talk about artificial intelligence will be so much smarter. | ||
| We can process quicker with advanced chip design. | ||
| You've got then robotics that we can take care of human frailty. | ||
| But isn't when you really talk, you see the oligarchs, their moves are, isn't this all, the benefits for mankind will be what they are, but is their focus maniacally on eternal life, on, as you called it, radical life extension? | ||
| There seems to be. | ||
| I mean, so for one thing, I mean, radical life extension, I almost put in a different bucket because Fact is, we live radical life extension already. | ||
| I mean, in the time of Rome, the average life expectancy was something like 13 years old and you probably died of diarrhea. | ||
| It was like life was short and statistically against the odds. | ||
| So, we already live in an era of radical life extension and we're walking around enjoying the benefits of it and that will probably continue in the future. | ||
| There's such a leap. | ||
| I think people just, it's that tendency to extrapolation, to say, well, if we can get life extension out, you know, if we can make living to 150 a normal thing, let's put aside the side effects of that, the knock-on effects of that, well, from there we can get to immortality. | ||
| But it's such a I mean, it's such a phantasmorical leap to get from a finite number to an infinite number that I just, I find it hard to believe how seriously it gets taken. | ||
| Like to see a Wall Street Journal article talking about, well, we might just have to get rid of death because of COVID, as if it was a doable and attainable thing. | ||
| Policy objective within the next foreseeable future. | ||
| Mark, I want to go back to this concept of scientism. | ||
| We've got about four minutes left. | ||
| And you hear this mantra all the time. | ||
| Data-based, evidence-based, science-based. | ||
| In fact, on the CNN broadcast the other night, whether you like Trump or not, or agree with the scientists or not, Sanjay Gupta kept putting this phrase in there, science came to the rescue. | ||
| Science comes to the rescue. | ||
| They reach out for science to the rescue. | ||
| Is there something that, are they socializing A concept that's going to have a big gulf between people that are religious and people are faith-based versus people that believe in this, I think, new religion of scientism? | ||
| Is that what they're signaling here? | ||
| I think what they could be signaling is, and I don't know if it's intentional or subconscious or just kind of has a logic of its own, but they're trying to tell people not To being to understand things that are beyond their comprehension. | ||
| We've got a bunch of experts. | ||
| They've looked at it. | ||
| They've got it under control. | ||
| It may seem counterintuitive to you, but you've got to, you know, follow the science and and they. | ||
| You know, then they're trying to almost dissuade you from looking at actual data, because if you look at data on almost any contentious topic, Lockdowns, effective lockdowns on cases, the actual fatality rate of COVID, the effect of QE on asset prices. | ||
| People will look at that data straight in the face and say, no, no, no, we've got a policy, we've got a model that tells us what's supposed to happen. | ||
| And whether that model is not conforming to what this data is showing is beyond your pay grade. | ||
| You're not You're not anointed with the right credentials. | ||
| You shouldn't even be commenting on this. | ||
| You ain't called The Deplorables for nothing, right? | ||
| It couldn't be. | ||
| Lao Pai Jing, old hunter names The Deplorables. | ||
| We put that handle on you for a reason. | ||
| I mean, it's pretty obvious to me. | ||
| This is what it's. | ||
| And now the CEOs of the company have very few entrepreneurs. | ||
| It's almost all this kind of managerial classes, this kind of managerial, what I call capitalism that all flows in one certain way. | ||
| We only got a couple minutes. | ||
| I got to turn to your writings, how people get access to you. | ||
| You're a fascinating individual. | ||
| You've done, you've helped us a lot in pointing this out to people that you think are guys that we ought to look at their writings. | ||
| How do people get access to you and tell us about the books and the books to come? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, I mean, I do most of my personal writing on bombthrower.com. | ||
| I do a podcast and I do a weekly technology newsletter on accessofeasy.com. | ||
| I'm the CEO of EZDNS, which is a domain registrar and web host out of Canada, and I'm Stunt Pope on Twitter. | ||
| And so I put out a book last year, Unassailable, Protect Yourself from Cancel Culture and Deplatform Attacks. | ||
| That's actually free for download. | ||
| It's unassailablebook.com. | ||
| We'll get you there. | ||
| And I'm working on the new book, which will be, you know, The Singularity has been cancelled, which I'm probably going to have to move on to the front burner now that I've done this twice. | ||
| No, people, I'm telling you, you were amazing. | ||
| A very big audience hit last time, and we had a strong demand to get you back, and we thought we'd craft a show around the entire topic. | ||
| Very important. | ||
| Okay, Mark Jeftovic, honor to have you on. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Been a great help and a fantastic guest. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| Anytime. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to return. | ||
| It's one of the holiest, most solemn days in the Christian calendar, and of course we're finishing up Passover week, the Judeo-Christian West, the most important week of the year for the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| Holy Saturday. | ||
| It's our special on descent into hell, transhumanism, and the new human race. | ||
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We'll continue after a short commercial break in The War Room. | |
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host Stephen K Banham. | ||
| Welcome back to our Holy Saturday special, Dissent in the Hell, Transhumanism in the New Human Race. | ||
| Our guest now is Jason Jones. | ||
| Jason is a prominent filmmaker, has been a human rights activist, a convert to Christianity late in life. | ||
| Jason, you've had a chance to listen in and watch the show today. | ||
| I wanted to have a couple of people that come at this from a deeply religious background. | ||
| You've dedicated your life, not just to Christ and to Christianity, but also to making films and content about it. | ||
| I know it's pretty shocking what we've gone through today, but talk to us, how does this strike you, this whole concept of transhumanism? | ||
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It is pretty shocking, and it's a privilege to be on your show. | |
| And you know, we're our bishops, and we're our religious leaders. | ||
| I'm thinking of in scripture where it says, even the rocks will cry out. | ||
| So here we are, Steve Bannon and Jason Jones on the war room. | ||
| Even the rocks will cry out if our religious leaders are silent. | ||
| I wrote a book with John Zmirak, The Race to Save Our Century. | ||
| Together, we were looking at the great genocides, democides, and wars of the 20th century and what we could do to prevent or repeat the 21st. | ||
| Transhumanism will be responsible at the rate we're going. | ||
| For many, many, many, many more mass graves than the genocides and democides of the 20th century. | ||
| Because what we're seeing with transhumanism, Yuval Harari openly speaks about this as the end of homo sapiens. | ||
| You cannot change human nature, you can kill human beings. | ||
| And you think back to what Lenin said about you can't destroy a religion, but you can kill people who practice religion. | ||
| Now they're talking about Obliterating homo sapiens as a species, and it's grounded in one of those five great ideologies that we saw erupt in the 20th century, utilitarian hedonism. | ||
| And transhumanism looks at people only for how they're useful. | ||
| I say that if the great commandment of Christianity is to love God with all of your heart and your mind and your soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself, transhumanism's command would be To use your own mind, your own body, your own soul, and those of your neighbors to become a God, and then to kill your neighbors, because there can be only one God. | ||
| We see that with the eugenics of how we treat children with Down Syndrome. | ||
| They say we're eradicating Down Syndrome. | ||
| No, it's eugenics. | ||
| We're aborting children with Down Syndrome. | ||
| We see it on the silence of the genocides of people like the Uyghur, the Christians in Iraq. | ||
| And now we have our most powerful people in the world. | ||
| There's, you know, when Bill Gates talks about his posterity, our posterity, we need to save the environment for our posterity. | ||
| And this is going to sound shocking to people. | ||
| He's talking about himself. | ||
| He thinks he's still going to be here. | ||
| I remember in the early nineties, seeing Bill Gates on a special on PBS. | ||
| I had just gotten out of the military. | ||
| I was sitting in front of my brother word processor, working on a paper. | ||
| So there I was not a, not a laptop, not a desktop, still the age of the brother word processor. | ||
| When I was watching Bill Gates on my television with antennas on PBS, they said the greatest innovation in the next 100 years will be immortality. | ||
| That we will be uploading our minds into a cloud, we could download them into clones of ourselves. | ||
| And they mean this. | ||
| They believe this. | ||
| Now of course you cannot. | ||
| You can record your voice, that's not you. | ||
| You can take a picture of yourself, that's not you. | ||
| And you can record your memories maybe. | ||
| I believe that's possible. | ||
| They could even know in real time your thoughts. | ||
| I believe that's possible and not much of a leap. | ||
| But the idea that they're going to somehow upload themselves, it'll be ironic when they're in hell and then in this hell of a cosmos they've created, there's a recording of themselves that they thought would have been them. | ||
| But that's what we're heading to. | ||
| But I think the real immediate threat... I'm sorry, Steve. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| No, go ahead. | ||
| I think the real immediate threat... | ||
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The real immediate threat is the obliteration of the thoughtfulness of the vulnerable. | |
| It is the real commitment to solidarity. | ||
| They're spending billions of dollars on these technologies. | ||
| It reminds me of that commercial, that Jim Gaffigan skit, where there's that Trill Crow song and the sad, pathetic pictures of dogs. | ||
| And Jim Gaffigan's like, there are still starving children in Africa, aren't there? | ||
| You know, he said even the dogs are confused by the commercial. | ||
| These transhumanists are aping for these great lifespans that they want, There are still people dying of malaria, dying in famine, horrible wars, but yet our wealthiest and most privileged that stand on the shoulders of all of us are not thinking about serving the vulnerable, but, you know, testosterone replacement therapy and uploading their brain into the cloud. | ||
| Real quickly, we've got about a minute. | ||
| They sit there and go, they say, well, Jason Jones is just, you know, calling us out. | ||
| We're really looking for the benefit of mankind. | ||
| This is going to cure all these diseases. | ||
| This is going to make people live longer and be happier and be wealthier. | ||
| And these guys like Bannon and Jones and these are just bringing up all the negative highlights of this. | ||
| In about a minute, Jason, what would be your response to that? | ||
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I think, well, I think some people who would think that are fair. | |
| I think there are a lot of folks, I'm working on an article now where I say there's transhumanists, humanists, and magnificent humanists. | ||
| And I give a little slack to what I call magnificent humanists, people like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, who are still grounded in thoughtfulness to the vulnerable and our understanding of the human person. | ||
| And you can look at the difference, whereas Elon Musk, his whole project was he wanted people to be able to have kids forever and have big families, and he saw space as a way to do that. | ||
| Then you look at someone like Bill Gates, Whose obsession is population control. | ||
| Last week we saw articles coming out where they want us to eat bugs, fill the sky with chalk. | ||
| This is unbelievable. | ||
| And so there is a break there. | ||
| And it sort of breaks along that humanist lines. | ||
| We saw, we used to believe in a transcendent moral order. | ||
| Some of us still, like you and I do, Steve. | ||
| Then that was brought down to earth as sort of an earthly humanism. | ||
| And now with transhumanism, rightly understood, it's a subhumanism. | ||
| It sees the human person as less. | ||
| Then we truly are as creatures with an incomparable dignity and beauty, made in the very image and likeness of God, we can know and love. | ||
| Hook me up to the internet. | ||
| Okay, maybe I can know a little better, but that does nothing for what is really the essence of me, which is to love. | ||
| I am to know God, to love Him. | ||
| I am to know my neighbor, to love him. | ||
| We were created by a loving God, through love, in love. | ||
| We're held into existence in love, to love God and to love our neighbor. | ||
| Transhumanism severs the saw. | ||
| I would rather live 50 years as a fallen, broken human being striving to live a life like Christ, to know and love my neighbor, and fail, than to live forever as a thin-skulled fool with all the knowledge in the world but an inability to love. | ||
| They're literally locking it. | ||
| Even if they could do this, all they're doing is they're locking themselves. | ||
| Jason, we've got to bounce. | ||
| We've got to bounce. | ||
| We'll get your social media up later. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| Jason Jones, filmmaker, Movie to Movement, fantastic organization. | ||
| Now I want to turn to the Washington Times opinion editor, online opinion editor, Cheryl Chumley. | ||
| Cheryl, you've had a chance to assess what we've been trying to do here over the last couple of weeks. | ||
| What's your concept? | ||
| I know you have a tremendous book out about how Christianity and Christians have to start getting more active to kind of set things right. | ||
| Give us your sense of where we're going on this transhumanism. | ||
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Well, first off, thanks for having me. | |
| Nice to be back on your show, Steve. | ||
| And this is an area where Christians really should educate themselves and get involved, because transhumanism, just at its most generic, it's about using technology to improve humanity, right? | ||
| Improve people's health and welfare, their psychological being, and so forth. | ||
| And it sounds great, but Like anything, there are always those few who want to take it and run with it and turn it into something demonic, which is where we're at these days with much of transhumanism. | ||
| The fact that the New York Times reported a year or two ago that Jeffrey Epstein was involved with transhumanism. | ||
| He wanted to impregnate underage girls at his New Mexico ranch in order to do genetic engineering and create a better human population. | ||
| That tells you where transhumanism is headed. | ||
| So the big concern to me is transhumanism now has moved into the Christian realm as something godly. | ||
| For instance, there is an organization called the Christian Transhumanist Association, and what they believe is that technology empowers us to become more human, and that's in quotes, more human, which seems to me a very conflicting phrase if you believe in the Bible. | ||
| And where the CTA carries that out is they think that it's God's mission to use technology to work against oppression and even against death. | ||
| This is on their website. | ||
| You can check it out yourself. | ||
| But if you're a Christian and you believe it's your job in life to work against death, you ought to go back and read Genesis with the Garden of Eden and the consequence of sin. | ||
| This is God's ordained plan for humanity. | ||
| to pay for that sin with death. | ||
| And then there's another organization, the Mormon Transhumanist Association, that thinks it's God's ordained means to use technology to receive prophetic visions from God, to receive immortality, and even to become insurrected, or resurrected, excuse me. | ||
| So this is where the real concern for me is that transhumanism has moved over into the really nut job field, but Christians, Christian organizations, Christians, believers in Christ are actually using transhumanism to advance a cult-like view. | ||
| What about the fact that many people in the audience from the pension funds to support these companies and the taxes that are going, you know, DoD and DARPA and other organizations, our national labs, are at the forefront of the research in this. | ||
| In fact, I would argue probably 20, 80 percent of the research is being funded by this audience, by U.S. | ||
| taxpayers. | ||
| What would you say about that? | ||
| And they always put it up that, hey, we're trying to solve all these diseases and we're trying to Help all this out, but you get in back of it, and you see a lot of it is trying to drive this concept of eternal life and immortality. | ||
| What are your thoughts about that for our audience, knowing that their pension money and their tax dollars are going to support this? | ||
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Yeah, well, you're right, and you know, you can do your research on certain investments that you might have control over, or certain purchases, certain companies that you can do business with to make sure your money isn't going to advance this very ungodly view, but the fact is, When it comes to transhumanism, if somebody's talking about using transhumanism to advance medical technology to better human lives, that's fine. | |
| But if they're talking about using technology to replace the human soul, to basically genetically create a new type of humanity that is better, that is more human, That is better than what God intended. | ||
| Run! | ||
| Because that's like worshiping the golden cap in biblical times. | ||
| It's very cult-like, it's very ungodly, it's very demonic. | ||
| Last question is, how do they keep it all separate, right? | ||
| It's not really tied together. | ||
| You've got advanced chip design, you've got artificial intelligence, you have robotics, you've got now gene splicing. | ||
| How would you guide the audience to actually get up to speed more on how this all ties together with this concept of the singularity in this concept, this philosophy of scientism, and the whole concept of transhumanism? | ||
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Well, start by going to the actual websites that promote singularity, which is basically the point at which technology becomes smarter than humans, the point at which artificial intelligence conquers humanity. | |
| Go to those websites, just do a Bing search or a Google search, Look at the organizations that actually advocate for this type of process of humanity and start there. | ||
| To me, the first thing is education. | ||
| The first thing is basically going beyond the conspiracy theory to see the truth in this. | ||
| And so if citizens go and they look up singularity, if they look up Jeffrey Epstein and transhumanism, if they look up the actual transhumanist sites, the CTA, the Mormon Transhumanist Association, you will see for yourselves That this is real. | ||
| This is far from conspiratorial. | ||
| And then it's an actual threat of not just American citizens and our individual freedoms and all of humanity. | ||
| It's basically doing away with the soul and putting up technology as God. | ||
| Cheryl, can you hang on one second? | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We'll return. | ||
| I just want to talk about your book for a second. | ||
| And also Rabbi Sparrow is going to join us. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We'll return with Dissent in Hell, Transhumanism, and the New Human Race. | ||
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| Welcome back to Descent into Hell, Transhumanism and the New Human Race, our special here on Holy Saturday. | ||
| I want to thank Cheryl Chimley. | ||
| Cheryl, thank you so much for taking time away and giving us your wisdom. | ||
| Your book, Socialists Don't Sleep, Christians Must Rise or America Will Fall, is a must-read for everybody. | ||
| We've got it up there on the site, and make sure we've got it in the live chat. | ||
| So Cheryl, keep doing the great job over at the Washington Times and on your podcast. | ||
| And what's the podcast? | ||
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Bold and blunt. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Bold and blunt. | ||
| The podcast, the book, and over at the Washington Times, a columnist and the online op-ed editor. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining us here today on the special. | ||
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God bless. | |
| Happy Easter. | ||
| Thank you, ma'am. | ||
| Okay, I want to bring in one of my favorite individuals, Rabbi Sparrow. | ||
| Rabbi, I really appreciate you doing this to wrap up this special on transhumanism. | ||
| You've given us so much wisdom in the past in the book, Pushback, and you talked about the unique American ethos of the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| I know that all the science and technology, and we've tried not to be conspiracy wingnets, but just talk about the technology and the convergence point. | ||
| Can you give us, share with us your thoughts, your ideas about this whole concept of transhumanism? | ||
| What could actually be beyond homo sapiens? | ||
| You know, first in terms of the Judeo-Christian ethos, one of the very important guiding principles of the Judeo-Christian ethos is humility before God. | ||
| God is the one who is the master of our universe, and we have to put a ceiling on our hubris. | ||
| It's important for people to be self-confident. | ||
| God wants us to be strong, self-confident, creative people, but there has to be a humility before God, and there has to be a ceiling to man's hubris. | ||
| It's more than just arrogance, but thinking that he is the master of the universe. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| And all the way back from the time of the Pharaohs and from Nimrod and from all the different types of Caesars, there was this quest for some type of divinity. | ||
| And people thought those that were from the so-called masters of the universe, as we saw also in the Tower of Babel, that there was a competition to say that we've now surpassed God and the lid is off. | ||
| And that's the human hubris. | ||
| And it eventually all falls, even those that are looking to the new transhumanism through all types of technology for everlasting life. | ||
| When God decides that your time is up, he can bring an accident. | ||
| You can be as healthy as a five-year-old and be 80 year old, but as healthy with the heart as a five-year-old. | ||
| But when your time is up, God will bring you an accident when it's time for you to go. | ||
| So. | ||
| The transhumanists, although right now it is a challenge, but history guides us that those that try to become divine, mini gods, at the end, they're not successful. | ||
| Although along the way, like with the Tower of Babel, they can cause a lot of havoc. | ||
| What I'd like to speak about is the idea of the practicality of it all. | ||
| A Jewish biblical outlook. | ||
| Those things. | ||
| That science or technology can do to keep us healthy and to heal us and to rectify negative physical conditions and even psychological conditions. | ||
| Those are fine. | ||
| We welcome those. | ||
| We welcome things of science and technology. | ||
| That's all part of God's master plan. | ||
| God created the principles of science and those things that guide technology. | ||
| The problem is when we go beyond Healing and we want to actually change nature, human nature. | ||
| That's something that biblical and even Talmudic Judaism prohibits. | ||
| We are here to do what we have to do as doctors, but not as gods. | ||
| We're, we're free to play doctor. | ||
| We're not free to play God and we cannot change. | ||
| The fundamental aspects of nature. | ||
| That's not something that we can do. | ||
| So the attitude is very important. | ||
| Those that are in the position to use these technologies, just like medicine, have to do it with a sense of humility that we're here to heal, but not to fundamentally change nature. | ||
| And I would like to say that's why biblically and Jewish Talmudically, sex changes would not be allowed. | ||
| They would be prohibited. | ||
| Every type of surgery that can be devised to heal man, real medical problems, absolutely we invite that. | ||
| But nothing that changes the nature in which God endowed us. | ||
| Rabbi, we've got about a minute and a half left, about 90 seconds. | ||
| Your book is Pushback. | ||
| How does one push back on this? | ||
| How would you recommend it? | ||
| How do they start to think about how do you push back on this transhumanism movement? | ||
| What you have to do with all movements, number one, you have to be aware of those people who are pushing the movement, who are behind it. | ||
| And you have to be suspect. | ||
| And then, of course, what you have to do is to arrange a very sophisticated rebuttal to it. | ||
| Of course, people are going to say that you're just involved in conspiracy theories. | ||
| You can't allow them to do that. | ||
| Just like when they say that you're involved in insurrection. | ||
| Or you're involved in hate speech, or you're mean-spirited. | ||
| These are just weapons to stop you from doing the job that we have to do. | ||
| So, as we have to fight so many of these battles, we have to have the tough skin not to allow people to sidetrack or humiliate us when what we have to do rises above that to find out what is their motive, what is their intent, and will it harm Our sociology. | ||
| Will it harm our soul? | ||
| Will it harm the ideal that God has put in front of us? | ||
| And we're very new with this transhuman, but we have to do it the same way. | ||
| We have to fight socialism or communism. | ||
| We've got about 30 seconds. | ||
| How do people get access to your book? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| They can go to caucusforamerica.com. | ||
| Which is www.caucusforamerica.com, and they can buy the book. | ||
| Hopefully you will be transformative. | ||
| And as I always say, we must have self-confidence, and if you're a member of the, an exponent of the Judeo-Christian ethos, you will have that self-confidence, that self-assurance, but you'll never try to be a mini-God. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| Rabbi Spera, thank you so much for ending our show with your wisdom. | ||
| Greatly appreciate it, sir. | ||
| So wraps up our special Dissent in the Hell Transhumanism in the New Human Race. | ||
| Thank you very much for listening. |
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