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Episode 833 – The House That Fauci Built … The CCP, the WHO, and the NIH in WuhanEpisode 833 – The House That Fauci Built … The CCP, the WHO, and the NIH in Wuhan
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mark meadows
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jamie metzl
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Well the virus has now killed more than 100 people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
So you don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
unidentified
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Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
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I got to see a little bit of that this week.
Simultaneously in Mandarin for the diaspora the Chinese people turn to 50 million throughout the world and later in the day blown through the firewall into mainland China to allow Beijing the deplorables of China of which every day Every second every day we fight to assist you in your freedom against that totalitarian Machine that we're going to talk about in Wuhan Okay We had so much by the way Joanna Miller who is one of the smartest young people in the White House an absolute hammer only Peter Nevar would have hammers what I wouldn't even put youngest
minds of people. She's an expert on all the stuff we're talking about.
I apologize for hogging the mic, but I don't get Miller.
I don't get Meadows here.
This is the original team.
Meadows, Kassim from the first show, and Jason Miller.
Now we've got Joanna.
That's an upgrade, by the way.
And you came on when we were on your radio show.
It was four days later that Real America's Voice picked us up.
All this other stuff, podcasts, that all came later.
You were here when it was the John Fredrickson Two Stations in Virginia, I think, in the app and of course our Facebook pages.
But I've got to go to more lies last night and misconceptions.
And this is why I'm disappointed in Dr. Gupta, because he's better than this.
I really think very highly of Dr. Gupta and the reporting he's tried to do during this time.
And it's about Fauci.
I don't know if we have this.
Fauci lies on masks.
Fauci, once again, they asked him about masks, right?
And they went back to the interview he had done, I think, on 60 Minutes.
It definitely was CBS, but I believe it was a 60 Minutes special they had on a Sunday back in March, when they asked about masks, and he said there was no need for anybody to wear a mask, right?
Absolutely no need to wear for it.
Gupta questions him, why do you save the time?
And he said, because we had such a shortage of PPE, right?
Such a shortage of PPE, We had decided that we were going to, you know, basically tell the American people you don't need to wear a mask so that the frontline doctors and nurses and EMTs could get masks.
Now I have researched this with talking to many people on the task force and people worked around it.
I have never Ever found a person that said that inside the White House or the task force that that was there.
They have said that that is, to their understanding, a stone-cold lie.
Now, you're a Chief of Staff, and on the situation of masks, back in March, was there a policy decision made Absolutely not.
in order to get p p e out to frontline workers that you're going to mislead the american people about the effectiveness of mass or anything about mass and deputies felt she'd actually say that absolutely not i can tell you that in those task force meetings early on uh...
mark meadows
doctor falchion others were saying that that the mass don't work And if you'll remember, there were public service announcements that says, well, wear a mask, not for you, but for others.
You can go back to that, you know, where they were saying it wouldn't protect you.
Then all of a sudden, we've got Dr. Redfield saying in a congressional hearing that he had his mask because it was going to protect him more than anything else, which was against the public policy that we have.
Now we've gone to two masks.
Listen, I can tell you that there was a conversation in my office with a number of doctors around the room when we were in the shutdown mode.
And I said, if you're telling me that if we mandate a mask that we can open back up this economy, then I'll recommend to the president that we mandate a mask so that we can get this economy open.
And the response was, oh, no, no.
That wouldn't mitigate this.
It helps a little bit, but you can't do that.
And so I'm just here to tell you that the facts of what was happening in the West Wing versus the reports that we're seeing on CNN are not consistent.
steve bannon
You've got to go back over that again.
I want to make sure that people understand this, because this is very serious.
When a guy will sit there and look at the nation, caught in a lie, And then double down on another lie, okay?
He was caught, just like on the John Katzmatee Shows, what he said at the time, he says, well, information changes, but here he's been adamant about it.
I just want to go back.
What are you saying that you would put forward if mask helpers will do it?
Yeah, if masks, if the masks...
mark meadows
Well, that would have been early April because we were still in a shutdown mode at that particular point.
I said, if masks will really help us, I will recommend to the President that we do a mask mandate so we can get the economy back open and so that all the people that were suffering with losing their jobs and worrying about a paycheck, that they could actually be helped.
And they said, oh, no, no, no.
That will not mitigate it.
We think it may help in certain circumstances, but that's where it came from.
Right there.
steve bannon
This shows you also that you have a White House at the time that's working with the professionals and taking their guidance.
mark meadows
Trying to find answers!
Trying to find answers each and every day with an unprecedented attack on America with a virus that came from China.
steve bannon
That Fauci admitted last night on CNN that he did not think that this was a pandemic, the big one, until mid-March.
He said it.
We're going to go back over that timeline of what happened up until that time.
Fauci, the honored Dr. Fauci.
Oh, I knew it when the Elmsworth Hospital situation came out here.
Brother, you should have been watching the war room for the two months prior to that.
That was your responsibility.
You're supposed to be the all-knowing, all-seeing.
But I want to go now, in a search, in a war, that's what CNN's last night, the COVID war.
President of the United States, Jason Miller's the first guy to say right there he's a wartime president.
President Trump, embrace that, engage in that.
And in war, you're looking for every different thing.
I'm going to retrofit the mercy and the comfort.
I'm going to build field hospitals.
If it masks, we'll put a mask if that can open the economy.
If not, no, you don't need masks because there's no efficient, they don't need masks.
Therapeutics.
Remember at the time when when President Trump said, no, we're going to double, triple down and find a vaccine.
OK, not on my watch, not about re-election, but hearkening back to the polio and what, you know, the iconic things he remembers.
Let's search for a vaccine where people are sitting there going, it'll take years.
Let's do it.
But in the interim, we just can't sit there.
What do we have?
Therapeutics, right?
And now we get to hydroxy.
And the CNN part last night was probably in a whole thing of lies and misrepresentations.
The hydroxy was probably the worst, right?
I want you to go through.
Tell us about hydroxy and the search for therapeutics knowing that a vaccine, you were being told, was years away It was years away and we just can't sit there.
We've got to look at every different possibility of how to get through this.
unidentified
And then I want Joanna to jump in because she's the expert on this and I'm not.
mark meadows
I can tell you that every single therapeutic option we continue to press down and look at and say we needed clinical data to support it.
We said let's go ahead and make sure.
We had actually so many people coming down with this virus that from a clinical trial standpoint you could do clinical trials much quicker and much more efficiently than you would if you had something that was sporadic in terms of the contagion.
And yet what we found was it's just a complete heisman.
unidentified
on anything that was not by big pharma. Okay, this gets to be the point.
steve bannon
Understand, they're sitting there saying we're at war. You've got all these aspects. You're showing them the country, you're trying to get capacity utilization.
What were the conversations about when they're sitting there going, no, no, no?
But what were these conversations?
Didn't they understand that therapeutics is at least somehow going to help us bridge to a vaccine eventually?
mark meadows
Well, it was the only thing that would because right at that particular point, we had thousands and tens of thousands of people that were actually being hospitalized.
And so we were saying, all right, what are the therapeutics that it can actually make the symptoms?
We couldn't stop the spread, so what are the things that could make the symptoms less deadly and less fatal?
And so, as we were looking at that, it was not just hydroxychloroquine, but it was a number of other things, zinc, pepcid.
There's a number of things that actually, you know, now we look at and we find that some of those actually had therapeutic value.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
Not to mention, just for the record, hydroxychloroquine has never, the FDA, this is an FDA approved drug.
The emergency use authorization was only revoked for COVID right after President Trump took it and started touting it.
And just from personal experience, I was part of a clinical trial when I came down, unfortunately, with the virus in November.
Dr. Sabine Hazan, who helped save my dad and mom's life and also my life, but they're obviously in the at-risk category.
We wore heart monitors to basically be part of this clinical trial.
She luckily got in before the emergency use authorization was revoked, and we wore heart monitors to show that there were no adverse effects on our hearts when we took the drug.
I took it, my parents took it, and luckily, I mean, I have them both today because of that.
steve bannon
I think the studies that CNN cited were old studies.
We're going to get to the bottom, but I think they were old studies that have been refuted about the heart situation.
unidentified
Yeah, and also, I mean, before the EUA was revoked, I mean, there was a Veterans Affairs study that was largely the reason because of that, and they were giving hydroxychloroquine to patients over 65 years old with underlying conditions.
And they were basically at the end of the point where the hydroxychloroquine would work.
Hydroxychloroquine, you know, I'm not a doctor.
Dr. Stephen Hatfield would know more about this than I would, but in early use treatment, all the studies that we had read with Dr. Peter Navarro and Dr. Stephen Hatfield were showing that there's effectiveness in early use treatment.
steve bannon
And Hatfield, another guy we had as part of the War on Posse.
Okay, now that you... I didn't want to go here.
But now that you mentioned November, I have to go here.
Colonel Dr. Ambassador Birx, over Thanksgiving, and just talk about credibility, and I'm not trying to be snarky, but since you brought up November I got to.
Didn't she, wasn't the whole thing, you can't travel, you can't have Thanksgiving, you can't sit around and cut a turkey, you can't do this, you can't do that, and everybody's sitting there going, didn't she go to Delaware, behind everybody's back, and go celebrate a Thanksgiving thing?
I'm not trying to be snarky about it.
mark meadows
Well, I was not invited to that Thanksgiving table, I can tell you that, but I did read reports of that.
Listen, it's typical in Washington, D.C.
You know, there's one standard that they espouse.
It's another that they actually adhere to.
And when we look at that, it's not just Dr. Birx.
It's the governor of California.
I mean, you know, fine dining at its best when the rest of the country or the rest of the state is in shutdown.
steve bannon
But how does CNN not bring that up last night?
mark meadows
That doesn't feed into their pre Ordained and predetermined outcome that they wanted from the documentary last night.
That was all about trying to be negative about President Trump.
steve bannon
No, not be negative.
More than negative.
It was to say, basically, this guy is the problem.
All these deaths go back to him.
You had all these great doctors, right, who gave all this great advice that he didn't adhere to.
And by the way, he suppressed their ability to tell the American people.
mark meadows
Well, they need to ask Dr. Fauci again because I think he's on record saying that the President has always done what he asked him to do.
And if he's changing it, let's go ahead and get him swarm testimony before Congress and let him do that under us.
raheem kassam
What does Dr Fauci being on the record even mean at this point in time?
You know, he's on the record saying one thing one week, he's changing his mind on the other.
You know, what last night was really about wasn't necessarily to just lay the blame at Trump's feet.
This was to draw a line under the entire issue to say, hey, This is the conclusion that we've reached communally as a corporate entity of the establishment and the political left, and we are saying that any other further considerations of this, whether it's discussion about gain of function, whether it's DASHOC, whether it's the WHO report, any of that, is just a corollary.
Now, to this final conclusion.
mark meadows
And you're exactly right.
And to try to reset the table to suggest that Dr. Fauci and Joe Biden are the reason why we have a vaccine and there are no further deaths.
That's what it's trying to do.
steve bannon
That's 100% because they see where the polling is going with this and they need to get ahead of this and keep that up because immigration, the border, China, everything else is cratering around them, right?
And the economy with this ridiculous case.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to return to the war room with Mark Meadows in a minute.
unidentified
War Room, pandemic with Stephen K. Bannum.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
Here's your host Stephen K Bannon.
steve bannon
Why do we build into a global show?
Why do hedge fund desks and trading desks and politicians all over the country and all the producers, why do they listen to the show on the pandemic?
We have so much more going to go into the CNN, right?
Dr. Redfield, CDC, forgot about the testing, forgot to mention, yeah, we went in the manufacturing business.
Actually, you didn't go in the manufacturing business.
This was all a company set up, I think, by former CDC guys that got the whole thing screwed up at the beginning on the testing.
We're going to go through that.
We're going to go back through mass.
We're going to go into depth.
And hold these people accountable, because here's why.
The President trusted them, the Vice President trusted them, the American people trust them, and here's what you don't do.
You don't get to come on, right, to boost Biden administration ratings.
You don't get to come on and rewrite history.
unidentified
Right.
steve bannon
Okay?
We're going to go through chapter and verse.
This is when I said deconstruct the administrative state.
Everybody says, oh, ban the weather, tear everything apart.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
This type of deadwood, we have an ossified medical and health care apparatus that needs to be vetted.
It needs to know exactly what's happening.
They're not prepared and for the cost of an aircraft carrier we'd be ready.
That's all nonsense!
You saw it last night.
These people, we're not going to allow them to rewrite history.
That will not happen on our watch.
We're going to go hold them, and if they have documents, if they have things that they showed the task force, or got to the Chief of Staff, or talked to the President about, then they should come forward and show that evidence.
But the record is out there.
Okay?
And we now know, because we have a hero, Peter Navarro and Joanna Miller, fighters in Hatfield, that team over in the executive office building, you guys are American patriots, because every day, and hey, on the weekends when nobody's working, these guys were there seven days a week, eighteen and twenty hours a day, every day, for the American people.
And we're not going to have Burks, and not going to have Fauci, and not going to have these people.
Rewrite this.
But I've got to go to the sixty minutes.
I've got limited time for you.
As we said from the beginning, until you get to the beating heart of exactly what this is, we're kidding ourselves.
And the beating heart of it is what is this virus and how did it come about?
And that goes back to the Wuhan lab.
Okay?
60 minutes last night.
And Leslie Stahl, no offense Leslie, that was like you were a middle schooler doing a report and you had to get it done the night before because it was due on Monday morning.
You are an embarrassment.
To sit there with the big eyes and have Dasik and no pushback on any of this nonsense.
To expect us to believe he came out of a bat cave, got into an animal, a thousand miles away, you know nothing about China, a thousand miles, came a thousand miles, and there's no record of any farm or any person ever having it, but magically showed up at a wet market just down the street from the P4 lab.
Right?
Are you kidding me?
To go from, what's a thousand miles, from New York City to Kansas City, New York City to Denver, New York City to a long way into the interior of this nation, right?
And every village in China and not have one person, and she asked, no, we really haven't gotten to that yet.
Well, I'll tell you who knows the chapter and verse, the Chinese Communist Party.
And then Redfield sits there and goes, you know, my belief is this came from Wuhan.
Why are you saying that?
Because now I can express my opinion.
Did Dr. Redfield at any time Come to you, and every day we're banging on this, we're banging on, it came from Wuhan, we got Dr. Li Ming Yang, we got all this.
Did he at every time ever come to anybody and say, hey, this came from Wuhan and we gotta now start looking at this as a man-enhanced operation, not from nature?
mark meadows
No, that never happened.
I can tell you I was real surprised, but pleasantly so, that Dr. Redfield was willing to speak up.
I just wish that that had happened eight months ago or nine months ago.
I can tell you that there is a coordinated effort to protect the Chinese government.
As it relates to this, and that's the part that I have a problem with.
You know, they're writing a report right now that's saying, oh, we need to continue to look at it.
Probably originated in China, but one place that we don't think it originated was in the lab at Wuhan.
Well, the Chinese government and WHO, as their front person, is actually writing the report together and Two things that don't surprise you is the fact that the Chinese government and WHO are working together to write the report, and the other is that the Biden administration is not going to hold China accountable.
You know, two things that are coming out with Tony Blinken, and I just find this just deplorable.
steve bannon
Let me tell Blinken, what she said yesterday on CNN is not going to come to pass.
Oh, we're just looking for the future?
No sir, you are just dead wrong.
You are absolutely dead wrong.
They are, and I'm telling you right now, you should have never, and where were the Republicans when he was being confirmed to go through his record at the University of Pennsylvania?
This administration is completely compromised by the Chinese Communist Party because of cash.
And where is the entire client list, the entire client list, from what is it, East Management, from the road between the EOB?
raheem kassam
West, exactly.
steve bannon
WestExec, WestExec, where is the client list and how much money have you taken from the Chinese Communist Party and affiliate companies?
This is outrageous.
raheem kassam
The client list?
They deleted the entire website!
They didn't want any single semblance of evidence remaining.
steve bannon
Fauci had another lie last night, bald-faced lie, we're going to get to later, where he says, they're saying about China, he goes, yeah, you know, we never trust those guys.
mark meadows
He was funding them!
Stephen, let me just tell you, his NIH was funding the Wuhan lab It gets reported.
The president calls me and says, why are we spending hard-working American taxpayer dollars to the Wuhan lab?
Cut it off immediately.
I had actually already seen that segment.
I'd called, as Secretary Azar said, no more money.
But yeah, of course they have to say it didn't come from there, because they were funding part of the research.
steve bannon
Not just the funding part.
They were funding the most dangerous part.
The gain-of-function experiments were funded by Tony Fauci and Daszak.
And we're going to have Natalie Winters and Joanna Miller go into that after we lose things.
But this is what, at that time, when you made the phone call, when it came over, people in the media, Tucker Carlson and ourselves were hammering this.
Had Fauci, up until that time, ever come forward in a task force meeting?
Had Fauci ever come forward to Peter Navarro?
Had Fauci ever come forward to the Vice President of the United States, or the President of the United States, and said, hey, by the way, I just want to make sure, guys, you understand something.
I've been kind of funding some research they've been doing there that might be on the, you know, hyping of it.
Did he ever say anything to you?
When you called him that time, had he ever come to you beforehand and said anything?
mark meadows
No, absolutely not.
And when we look at this, I was learning much of this from reports, public reports, and said, if this is valid, and indeed part of it was valid, we had to make sure that we stopped it.
And guess who was on the phone with me at 10 o'clock one night, actually 1017, I jotted down a note, he says, we're going to stop it.
And it was, well, before midnight, it was it was stopped.
President Trump.
steve bannon
Exactly, and until President Trump took action through you, he had never come forward and told anybody.
mark meadows
No, no, no, absolutely not.
steve bannon
It shows you everything you need to know about Fauci's character, okay?
We're going to get into much more about how the gain of function actually got back going, who actually knew about it, then the National Security Council, where senior people at HHS, but also for Fauci, make sure Fauci understands something.
You said yesterday, oh yeah, we never really trust these Chinese.
You actually You actually said at the time, oh, we talk to our Chinese colleagues all the time and they would not lie to us, right?
They've told us that was back in February.
I remember we took it down at the time.
I said, what is this guy talking about?
They lie about everything.
What about this new administration?
Particularly about now the W.H.O.
is going to come out and the W.H.O.
with Dasik and these guys are going to say it actually came from a bat cave.
A thousand miles!
When you're in China and you're a thousand miles away, right, particularly where these bat caves are in the south to get to Wuhan, it's not an easy journey.
Yeah, I know they got trains here and stuff like that, but hey, It's a thousand miles of rough territory you gotta go over.
That is what they're saying today.
That is more logical than coming from the P4 lab that we know that guys were sick in that lab in the fall.
How important is it for the Biden administration to man up here and to start to hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable so we get the full information?
Daszak says the reason they won't turn over the data is Steve Bannon and those terrible people in the war room have so frightened You know, Xi and Wang Qishan and Tiger Yang, these hammers, right?
We've so intimidated them, that's why they won't turn over the deck.
mark meadows
Well, the Chinese government should be afraid because they covered this up.
steve bannon
There's no doubt in your mind.
mark meadows
And American citizens died because of their cover-up.
And we have to hold them accountable.
And if the Biden administration is not willing to do so, then we need to get an administration who will hold them accountable.
unidentified
Why is the Biden administration refusing to comment before the WHO-CCP report comes out on the origins?
Is anybody asking that question?
Why aren't they willing to comment?
Why aren't they willing to do their own investigation before the report comes out?
mark meadows
Well, they're going to count on that report coming out because then they can... We've got two minutes.
steve bannon
Why did the president pull out WHO?
mark meadows
For this very reason.
I mean, we started to see that WHO was nothing more than a front person for the Chinese government in terms of this pandemic response.
It had nothing more to do than transparency and the willingness to share information with the global health community.
steve bannon
One more time before I let you go.
Two minutes.
Last night on CNN, Fauci and Birx, principally.
You had other guys in there too.
But Fauci and Birx, because they were the front porch of the administration.
Is there anything, was that the truth they told last night or are they lying?
mark meadows
I can tell you that what was on the CNN report last night had never been uttered in the White House under a Trump presidency ever and to suggest that that somehow was ignored under President Trump was false.
steve bannon
What actions do you believe should be taken Against Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci?
mark meadows
Listen, they just need to come back and tell the truth.
I mean, the truth is a great bomb when you look at it, and hopefully they were edited out.
Hopefully they gave lots of clarifying remarks that CNN didn't run with, and they said that Dr. Birx can come on today and say, oh, I didn't mean to indicate X, Y, and Z. But if not, the American people will hold them accountable.
steve bannon
There's so much you're doing with Jim DeMint and the guys over at CPI.
There's so much we want to get to that we don't have time for today.
mark meadows
Well, this was important.
I walked down the street to make sure that we set the record straight here on War Room.
steve bannon
And we're so glad to have you back in the seat that you were the original first person when we were just a radio show.
How can people follow you?
We've got about 30 seconds.
How do people keep track of Mark Meadows during the day?
mark meadows
You know, on Twitter, at Mark Meadows, I'll be glad to stay in contact that way.
steve bannon
I'm sure your Twitter account will be banned immediately.
mark meadows
Well, probably so, but you can't ban the truth.
steve bannon
Okay, love having you back here.
Mark Meadows, we're going to have Joanna Miller and Natalie Winters.
They're going to take us home in the next half hour, talking about Wuhan and exactly what happened here and who must be held accountable in the war room.
unidentified
War Room Pandemic with Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
jamie metzl
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
To quote Humphrey Bogart, of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, why Wuhan?
What Wuhan does have is China's level 4 virology institute, with probably the world's largest collection of bat viruses, including bat coronaviruses.
unidentified
I had seen that the World Health Organization team only spent three hours at the lab.
jamie metzl
While they were there, they didn't demand access to the records and samples and key personnel.
unidentified
That's because of the ground rules China set with the WHO, which has never had the authority to make demands or enforce international protocols.
jamie metzl
It was agreed, first, that China would have veto power over who even got to be on the mission.
unidentified
Secondly... And WHO agreed to that.
W.H.O.
jamie metzl
agreed to that.
On top of that, the W.H.O.
agreed that in most instances, China would do the primary investigation and then just share its findings with these international experts.
So these international experts weren't allowed to do their own primary investigation.
unidentified
Wait, you're saying that China did the investigation and showed the results to the committee and that was it?
jamie metzl
Pretty much that was it.
Not entirely, but pretty much that was it.
Imagine if we had asked the Soviet Union to do a co-investigation of Chernobyl.
It doesn't really make sense.
unidentified
China had ruled out a lab accident long before the WHO team arrived at the airport in Wuhan on January 14th and were greeted by people in full PPE gear.
The team included some of the world's leading experts on how viruses are transmitted from animals to humans.
But even though there have been accidental lab leaks of viruses in China in the past that have infected people and killed at least one, no one on the team was trained in how to formally investigate a lab leak.
They were there for a four-week mission.
peter navarro
We're ahead of the curve.
Tom Cotton, you and I talked about it.
This thing behind me, the Wuhan Virology Lab, Bob Redfield of the CDC said that that's probably where the virus from China came from, originated, and when he talked about it, Maria, what was really important was he talked about how at the lab they were working on the virus.
Now, let's connect some dots here, because this building behind me is the building that Tony Fauci Built.
And what Tony Fauci did, two things.
One is he took American taxpayer money, funneled it through, laundered it through NIH, and gave it to this lab so that it could conduct the kind of research that led, basically, to the virus, if Bob Redfield is right.
And what Fauci did, not only give the Chinese money... Let's go ahead and kill it in Denver.
steve bannon
I've got two experts here.
I've got Joanna Miller and we've got Natalie Winters.
Join her first.
That's your boss, Peter Navarro, the house that Fauci built.
How are we I don't know, 15 months into this thing?
How are we into this thing?
And now you've got 60 minutes doing a high school report and giving Dasik, you know, and Leslie Stahls with the big eyes, you know, looking at Dasik, who's lying every time he opens his mouth.
It's a lie.
How are we in this situation that we have not hammered down the facts?
Pretty basic.
It came from the Wuhan lab.
Why are the different...
Apparatuses in town, the medical apparatuses, not all focused on, we got to get into Wuhan, got to get the data, and until they're done, everything with CCP should be shut down.
unidentified
Well, first of all, you had people like Peter Pottinger, people that were going hard trying to figure out where this thing came from.
To have people like Peter Daszak at the WHO, who has, I believe, Natalie's report, she found that he had been part of 20 CCP funded studies.
To have somebody like him and the WHO, which we already know is compromised by the Chinese Communist Party, which is why President Donald J. Trump pulled us out of that, now leading the investigation with the Chinese Communist Party, saying, oh no way, it didn't come from a lab, despite the fact that the SARS viruses in 2004 were leaked from a Chinese lab, and also another lab in the 70s, From Beijing, H1N1 was released.
To have the Biden administration totally bowing to the CCP is just shameful and it's embarrassing and it's dangerous for the future of our country.
steve bannon
So, Natalie, I was thinking of you and Joanna last night when I was watching the 60 Minutes, and for 60 Minutes to be this great investigative thing, it was so incompetent.
The reporting was so juvenile.
It was juvenile.
It was like a middle school report you had to hand in the next day, you hadn't done it, so late at night you're trying to slap something together.
Leslie Stahl, you should be embarrassed.
If that's the standard the 60 Minutes has, you should come back here to the War Room.
We'll train you up, okay?
And National Pulse.
So Natalie, tell us about Daszak and about how you thought 60 Minutes handled him last night, the lies he told.
unidentified
Sure.
natalie winters
Well, 60 Minutes did what every other media outlet does when they interview Doshak, and they totally obscure the fact that he's been involved with the Wuhan Institute of Virology for nearly two decades with the Chinese Communist Party through those research studies that have been funded by explicitly Chinese government-backed entities.
And as poor of a job that Leslie Stahl did interviewing Doshak, giving him softball questions, I think Peter Doshak honestly did a worse job
Frankly, after his performance, his milquetoast demeanor, I don't think any American could have confidence that when he's sitting in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, granted, for just three hours next to Chinese scientists, and as he admits Chinese Communist Party officials, that he has any resolve to get to the bottom of what happened, his answer when he says, quote, what else can we do, in response to Leslie Stahl asking him why he simply took Chinese Communist Party-linked scientists
at their words is just absolutely baffling. My jaw dropped quite honestly when I was watching that.
And frankly, I think after that interview, Doshak really is a poster boy for why we should not fund the World Health Organization. If the best we can do is get in some Chinese Communist Party compromised researcher in the ground zero basically of COVID-19 for just three hours, being lectured by Chinese Communist Party scientists as foreign ministers watch over them and monitor everything that they say. It's basically a press briefing being held
at the Chinese Foreign Ministry or a China Global Television Network interview. It's absolutely disgusting.
steve bannon
In fact, he tried to defend it.
Leslie Stahl had to say, was anybody else around?
Well, yeah, there were some guys from their foreign affairs department just kind of sitting off to the side, right?
Obviously, this thing is totally staged.
And here's the point.
They gave them no data.
They saw no data.
They asked them questions in a room and they took their answers as, you know, holy writ.
Didn't push back in data, and here's what Dasik said in the C-SPAN thing.
Oh, the reason the Chinese Communist Party will not turn over original data, what they haven't destroyed, is because Steve Bannon and his colleagues Have so demonized this and so politicized this, they don't want to turn it over because it shows you that it came from a Fauci-financed gain-of-function experiment in the Wuhan lab.
raheem kassam
Let's pull this back a little bit here and talk about what we saw last night.
When else do you see a situation where all of these bureaucrats will go in front of television cameras for prolonged periods of time apart from when bureaucrats are trying to cover their own tracks?
They don't do it for the sake of informing you.
That just doesn't happen.
You don't see it with bureaucrats from the Federal Reserve giving four hour long interviews to CNN at the same time that 60 Minutes is airing a package.
It doesn't happen when they're trying to inform you.
It only happens when they're trying to mislead you.
The big takeaway from last night is that they feel like they're on the back foot here.
They feel like they need to sit in front of these television cameras.
They feel like they need to spin a particular narrative.
And that can only be good news as far as liberty, as far as America, as far as fairness and health and everything that is normal and right.
You know, everybody, what everybody cares about.
That's good news.
That these frauds now see it that they have to, they absolutely must go out there for hours and hours on end and spin a particular narrative.
steve bannon
And I want to say something.
This is not Peter Navarro and Stephen K. Bannon.
This is because of, and Rahim Kassam, this is Natalie Winters and Joanna Millet.
This is a young generation of people that have no back down.
So all you people, a person I'm very close to called me and said, hey, all of my buddies, 80% of them are not watching the news, they're still so shocked from what happened on November 3rd and what happened on January 6th and what happened on January, you know, it's all over.
So I said, it's time to stop sucking your thumb, okay, and man up.
I said, we have a young generation.
So I want to put it to Natalie first and then to Joanna.
It's on your shoulders to set things right here.
What are you guys going to do?
After you saw both CNN and 60 Minutes, the two premier news organizations on television in the world, put those two reports out, right?
And keep Pottinger to like 30 seconds.
And the guy who was at Meltz, it was great, but they kind of teed him, they cut his to tee up Dasik.
Natalie, first you and then Joanna.
What is your guy's plan?
To basically get to the truth?
natalie winters
Well, I think to get to the bottom of COVID-19, you have to go to the top.
And that's both the Chinese Communist Party and the NIH, specifically Dr. Fauci.
We have reporting up at the National Pulse today talking about how Dr. Fauci repeatedly spoke at Peter Doshak's EcoHealth Alliance group.
There's pictures of the two of them smiling next to each other.
Standing together, absolutely crazy, crazy connection there, especially when you consider that Anthony Fauci was really the primary defender of gain-of-function research and sending American taxpayer dollars to fund this lab in China.
But I think that the other takeaway here, it's exactly what you said, Rahim, Honestly, I'm kind of getting impeachment vibes seeing all these bureaucrats, these unelected officials running around on TV making these rounds.
And I think that that's what we have to realize, that this is another attempt to nullify the presidency of Donald J. Trump.
Because if you get to the bottom of COVID-19, all arrows point to Dr. Fauci, the NIH, the Chinese Communist Party.
And that absolves President Trump of any blame for COVID-19, which is really the narrative, as you can see with this CNN documentary, with 60 Minutes, that the mainstream media and their establishment lackeys want to push.
unidentified
Right.
And just building on that, why would a single man be blamed for a pandemic that's decimated so many countries around the world?
And just building off of the truth narrative, I was fortunate enough to see the president up close.
I was fortunate to see people like Peter Navarro fighting on the front lines up close.
We have to be unapologetic truth tellers.
And that's why your show is so valuable.
We have to present the truth and the facts at every chance we get and never back down because these people, they have been lying to the media, they've been indoctrinating people at the university level and the government all the way down and I think we just have to be continuing to hammer and demand the truth and hold these people accountable.
steve bannon
This is what it's all about.
Not just this show, but I keep telling people, and this is what we're trying to profile these young people, there is a rising generation that is not going to back down.
I think they're very close to what their grandparents, the greatest generation is.
This is a generation that is now, they are going to be the ones that On their shoulders is going to rest saving this republic.
We're going to do everything we can do, but this is going to be a generational struggle.
It's not going to happen with one election.
By the way, we're not going to lose it with one election either, right?
If you get in the fight, and what you need to be in the fight, you need to be in this fight today because there's a rising generation of fighters.
These people are fierce.
They go to the facts.
They're not going to be spun.
They've seen how in the education system these people all went to the finest schools in the country.
Some of the finest schools in the world and they see how the propaganda goes and they're saying we're not going to tolerate it and now whether we're in the White House as a junior person or as Natalie, still in college, an investigative reporter for National Pulse, which started as a small site and now is a very powerful site because of what they do.
They're not going to back down one inch, okay?
That is bad news for Tony Fauci, okay?
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We'll return in a moment.
unidentified
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steve bannon
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Okay, Natalie, what's up on the National Pulse today?
You know, you and Joanna are Tony Fauci's worst nightmare.
What do you got up today and where is your reporting going to go?
natalie winters
Well, up today we have the links between Dr. Fauci and Peter Dolchak, but we will continue to expose how Peter Dolchak's path to becoming a Impartial WHO researcher runs straight through Beijing.
I remember his involvement with the WHO really comes at the 11th hour of a much broader, nearly two decades, tale of him having a very, very close relationship with the Chinese Communist Party.
But we'll also be going into some of the people who've been really attempting to debunk the claims made by Dr. Redfield, saying that COVID came from a Chinese lab, specifically some doctors who've been doing Okay, and Joanne, I know you're working over with Dr. Navarro.
Tell us, he said today on Maria Bartiroma that the Wuhan P4 Lab is the house that Fauci built.
So these CCP compromise stories will continue to come out from the national polls.
steve bannon
Okay, and Joanne, I know you're working over with Dr. Navarro.
Tell us, he said today on Maria Bartiroma that the Wuhan P4 lab is the house that Fauci built.
Where are you guys' investigations going over there?
unidentified
Yeah, just to echo what Natalie's saying, I think we have to continue to expose the facts and hit hard at these people because all they do is lie for a living.
We see contradictions in the media.
I think we need to continue to expose those lies, keep record of what they're saying and how they're contradicting that, and never cease to pursue the truth.
steve bannon
The 60 minutes at the end of the day, I think, left it open that, hey, this came out of Wuhan, but you're going to be more reporting.
But when you were watching it, given your level of detail of this, what did you think?
unidentified
I thought it was a total joke.
I thought that I could have done better investigative reporting than a professional like Leslie Stahl, so-called professional.
And when I saw the fact that she was believing Daszak, a thousand miles away, This virus comes from bats, and like you said, not one single village in between was there a case, and then suddenly pops up in a Wuhan wet market.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together, especially given the Chinese Communist Party's history of leaking viruses from labs.
I'm not a doctor.
I'm not a medical professional.
However, it seems like the proof's in the pudding.
steve bannon
You understand evidence.
unidentified
Exactly.
raheem kassam
Rahim. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, it takes a gain-of-function scientist.
So look, there's a lot to cover here and there's a lot to cover when you pull back on how you get the truth out as well. So one of the things that Natalie's been working on that we're going to put up today on the site is how the fact-checkers play into this and who the fact-checkers are and who funds the fact-checkers.
steve bannon
Who watches the Watchmen?
raheem kassam
Thank you very much.
I mean that is that is the motto under which we launched our first ever National Pulse show and that is you know we're going to get deep into that Now, because as much as you can go after the poor reporting of Leslie Stahl and 60 Minutes and the Washington Post and New York Times and all these guys, they've always got someone running interference for them so that they don't even have to defend their work.
Those people come in the form of people like Lead Stories and Alan Duke.
You know, we have this viral story propagating at the moment because some USA Today intern was Doing some article about the January the 6th people who are being convicted and that they were crowdfunding their legal fees and she's trying to disrupt that process with a report in the USA Today.
And USA Today are defending her saying, oh you can't attack, she's an intern.
steve bannon
This is what Morning Joe melted down on today?
raheem kassam
Yeah, this is the whole thing that's going on today.
Meanwhile, utter silence when Alan Duke from Lead Stories, remember this is a Facebook fact checker, Wow.
Alan Duke from Lead Service literally called me on my cell phone and made some of the most heinous and disturbing remarks about the 19-year-old Natalie Winters that I've heard.
So let's play that double standard.
But we're getting into the bottom of why.
Why this all happens and who funds it.
You know who I just got an email from, Natalie?
Craig Newmark.
Who I offered to have him on our show to talk about his funding, Craigslist funding of all these disinformation centers.
You know what he said to me?
Sorry, I'm busy.
steve bannon
But now he's not.
raheem kassam
Well, he was not busy enough to send an email to me, but he's too busy to come on the show and defend his work.
steve bannon
Look, we had a lot on Georgia we were going to go through the day, a lot on the border we were going to go through the day, Mark Meadows, and by the way, a lot with Mark, we want to follow up and make sure we understand the posse's a little hot.
About November 3rd, so are we.
You can't, as I said on John Frederick's radio today, you can't solve going forward until you get to the bottom of November 3rd.
The recall efforts in Arizona, they're gonna start doing the forensic audit of the 2.1 million ballots.
There's also looking at these ballots in Georgia, the 30,000 they think may be fake ballots.
I think a court's gonna uphold to do an audit of that.
You've got the 600,000 that we don't even have chain of custody on down in Georgia.
You've got now in Wisconsin, the state assembly now has subpoena power to go after and start to force people to testify about what happened in Green Bay and other places.
November 3rd is still on the table and we're not going to get sorted until we get to the bottom of that.
And I keep telling people that is going to crush the legitimacy of Biden.
The other thing is that look at the polling.
Our reporting on border and other places, 57% of the American people disapprove what they're doing.
The border crisis, 54% of independents, only almost 50% I think of Hispanics.
It's all turning our direction, we're going to get to all of it, but today we had to get to the CNN in 60 minutes because they, remember, signal not noise.
They literally went after President Trump to make sure, they're trying to, what they didn't do in the impeachment, they're trying to make sure he's not really going to be eligible to run in 2024.
They're trying to eviscerate Trump, Trumpism and the Trump movement.
We're not going to stand for it, particularly when they're a pack of liars, and we can prove they're a pack of liars, and they're dangerous.
Because the Chinese Communist Party has done this in the Wuhan line.
Not the Chinese people and not the nation of China.
The Chinese Communist Party coming out of Wuhan.
Working with guys like Anthony Fauci and NIH.
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We'll be back at 5 o'clock.
We've got Dr. Peter Navarro, also The Border, also George Oliver.
Join us again at 5 o'clock.
Joanna's got to go back, get the work done, so Navarro can come up here and show us a gun show!
In front of the, in front of that great, the great graphics she does, too.
Natalie Winters, Joanna Miller, thank you very much.
You guys are killers.
Absolutely love it.
Raheem Kassam, as always.
Podcast today, Raheem?
raheem kassam
Yes!
unidentified
Okay, we'll be back at 5.
steve bannon
Make sure you watch, uh, listen to Raheem's podcast.
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