March 29, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| So you don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
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France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | |
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
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Probably warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | |
| That this is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
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France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | |
| Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, War Room. | ||
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Pandemic. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, welcome to a semi-occupied Washington, D.C. | ||
| The gates and the fences still continue to come down. | ||
| You're in the War Room. | ||
| It's the 29th of March, the year of our Lord. | ||
| 2021, it's Monday. | ||
| It's the beginning of the holiest week of the year in the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| Both Passover started Saturday night and this is the beginning of Holy Week. | ||
| We've got a packed show today. | ||
| We're going to go from the border to Wuhan, all over, talk about capital markets, finance, China, this crisis at the border, all of it. | ||
| Honored to be joined by Mark Meadows, former Chief of Staff for President Trump's first term, his last Chief of Staff, and also Joanna Miller, who is the, as you know, is the fire-breathing assistant to Peter Navarro. | ||
| She was over at the White House also. | ||
| I want to begin though with one of our favorite guests and an audience favorite, Rabbi Spiro. | ||
| Rabbi, can you lead us in prayer for Passover week, sir? | ||
| Our nation will once again be celebrating your holiday of Passover and its sister celebration of Easter, this time in a period of crisis. | ||
| Passover represents the ideas of liberty and Easter demonstrates salvation. | ||
| The original Easter took place itself within the days of the Passover holiday. | ||
| Like Easter, with its promise of salvation, Passover focuses on redemption. | ||
| We as individuals and as members of a nation Need both personal salvation and national redemption. | ||
| We know that the fate of one's personal salvation often depends on a nation redeemed from the bondage of tyranny, evil, impurity and hedonism. | ||
| Indeed, Lord, on Passover, The Hebrews were rescued from all these tragic conditions. | ||
| They attained liberty, which in Hebrew is called cheirut. | ||
| Liberty is the foundation of true nationhood, national redemption, and personal salvation. | ||
| We need to freely choose salvation. | ||
| And we need liberty to make exalted nationhood and redemption possible. | ||
| Almighty God, you have appointed these holy days in the burgeoning and expanding light of spring. | ||
| Liberty and redemption sprout freshness, vigor, And so it is our duty to resist and reject the forces of darkness at work today that would snuff out our liberty, deprive us of nationhood and redemption from that which is impure and hedonistic. | ||
| We all need a savior from above, While being agents for our own salvation here below, saving the Judeo-Christian heritage is our duty today, for it is the foundational pillar of who we are. | ||
| We need to push back And stand against the forces of authoritarianism that intend to demolish this divine structure that has showered blessings upon America, our people, and this land. | ||
| Our Judeo-Christian superstructure was born in revelation itself millennia ago. | ||
| So help us, O Lord, To help ourselves. | ||
| Let our ancestors give us inspiration. | ||
| Grant us know-how and courage. | ||
| And let us say, Amen. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| Rabbi, before we let you go, I've got to ask, this week we're going to be packed with news, whether it's from Georgia on the voting rights, whether it's on the Rio Grande Valley on this crisis in immigration. | ||
| Now we've got this issue with China about pretty obvious now for, I think, the world to see where this virus came from. | ||
| Your book, Pushback, you talk about the Americanized version of the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| Given that we're still within 100 days of this Biden administration, how big a crisis do you think we're in right now? | ||
| How would you put it in perspective for our audience? | ||
| We're definitely in a crisis. | ||
| And those that think that it will just go away naturally, they are unfortunately mistaken. | ||
| This is the comparison to Passover. | ||
| There was a tyranny. | ||
| There was a Pharaoh, a state that felt that it supplied rights. | ||
| Moses came and said, no, rights come from God. | ||
| Pharaoh said that I will determine how people worship. | ||
| And Moses said, no, I must take this people out so that they worship the way that God intends, not you. | ||
| Pharaoh was the embodiment of statism. | ||
| And what we see creeping every day is more statism against our liberty, our freedoms to choose, our religious freedom, against our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly. | ||
| What we have in Washington, D.C. | ||
| right now is a symbol of martial law. | ||
| Don't kid yourself. | ||
| There's no reason to have all these soldiers stationed there except to send the message to the people, you better not assemble. | ||
| Against what we're doing. | ||
| And you better not speak against what we're doing because we have these soldiers here. | ||
| It's martial law. | ||
| And so we in America today are being tested under conditions very similar to what began in the time of Pharaoh. | ||
| The founding fathers themselves, when talking of independence and of America compared to the times of Pharaoh. | ||
| And what we need to do is what Moses did. | ||
| He spoke the truth and said, this nation is founded upon certain principles. | ||
| It's the same thing with America. | ||
| We must speak that truth. | ||
| Our rights come not from Nancy Pelosi, who says that if we disagree with her, we're enemies of the state. | ||
| Whoever heard of such talk in America? | ||
| Communist type of talk. | ||
| Enemies of the state. | ||
| Who is she? | ||
| She's the state. | ||
| She supersedes gods for our rights. | ||
| So yes, These are times that we're being tested, and it will require a leap of faith. | ||
| You know, Steve, when the Jewish people, the ancient Hebrews, when they reached the Red Sea and they called out to God, God who was their helper, but then finally God said, listen, you have to go forward. | ||
| There was a man named Nachshon, and he leapt into the sea. | ||
| That was the leap of faith. | ||
| We are going to have to, on our own, do things That will restore our freedom, if it's religious freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly. | ||
| And every so often, a nation is called upon, it's tested. | ||
| Does it believe enough in itself to take upon itself its own redemption in the name of liberty? | ||
| But we have to be very explicit in what this nation was founded on. | ||
| And that's what the Judeo-Christian outlines For us, the Judeo-Christian ethos. | ||
| It was not founded on social engineering or socialism or statism. | ||
| And nobody has the right to say that if I disagree with them simply because they're a speaker, I'm an enemy of this state. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Your book is Pushback. | ||
| We recommend everybody get it, unless you give the website where they can get it, because I think it's sold out at Amazon because of this audience. | ||
| But one thing you've taught us, and you're very big on, is about this concept that you just mentioned, human agency. | ||
| And that's what this whole show is about. | ||
| This show is to provide thinkers, information, tools, groups you can sign up for. | ||
| But at the end of the day, this is about human action and human agency. | ||
| In Passover week and beginning of Holy Week, for our audience, Rabbi Sparrow, since you're so revered, what actions do you recommend that this audience take? | ||
| There are two things. | ||
| Remember, integral to the Judeo-Christian outlook is the idea of truth. | ||
| We must speak the truth, not allow ourselves to be silenced. | ||
| They wanted to silence Moses. | ||
| They wanted to silence Jesus. | ||
| God brings these figures into our life and history every so often to demonstrate the need to speak the truths. | ||
| We have to do that. | ||
| And then, of course, we are going to have to assemble. | ||
| Eventually, we're going to have to assemble and gather in rallies and protests. | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| We will have to do that. | ||
| But in the long term, we are going to have to make parallel institutions, our own institutions, so that we cannot be cancelled and controlled. | ||
| We cannot be prohibited from getting a loan or a job or speaking on social networks. | ||
| We're going to have to make all of these institutions schools of higher learning. | ||
| That's where you're One more thing I'd like to say. | ||
| important. It's a parallel alternative to some of the brainwashing and indoctrination, the anti-freedom control culture, cancel control culture coming from the mainstream media. | ||
| We're going to have to do that. We have to have a partnership with God. God helps those, though, who help themselves. You must make these leaps of faith. | ||
| One more thing I'd like to say. Our predicament is nowhere near as dire as it was for the Hebrews, the Jewish people, during the time of the Egyptian bondage. | ||
| Nowhere near as dire today as it was in the time when we were under the thumb of King George. | ||
| If our ancestors could do it under far more severe conditions than we can, we have to have faith in the Almighty, but faith in ourselves. | ||
| We have to be people of action. | ||
| God made this world for people to act. | ||
| Rabbi Sparrow, how can people get access to your book and to your other writings? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| The book can be found at the website for Caucus for America, www.caucusforamerica.com. | ||
| We feel that's the best venue in which to sell the book. | ||
| And I think that those that read it will be Transformed, redeemed, not only as citizens of America, but individually. | ||
| We've been given a great gift, this Judeo-Christian heritage. | ||
| It's a great legacy. | ||
| And it's not only good for the nation, it's good for the individual. | ||
| It builds confidence and self-assurance. | ||
| And that's what our side needs. | ||
| We need people with self-assurance. | ||
| We've been bombarded for so long. | ||
| We need self-assurance. | ||
| One more last thing. | ||
| Even in the communist times, You didn't have a state that was trying to make you hate yourself because you're white. | ||
| What we have coming from some of the power centers is evil incarnate teaching children to hate themselves because they happen to be white. | ||
| This is an evil that we cannot allow to stand. | ||
| We cannot allow an This is creeping into every facet of our life and we're losing our self-assurance. | ||
| I hopefully pushback will revive people's self-confidence in who they are and our proud legacy. | ||
| Rabbi Sparrow, thank you very much for starting off our broadcast for Holy Week and the week of Passover. | ||
| Really appreciate you coming on. | ||
| Thank you and enjoy the holy days. | ||
| Rabbi Sparrow, the author of Pushback. | ||
| It's a book that we strongly recommend. | ||
| Kind of tough to get, but you go to his site, Caucus for America. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| Very honored to have in the house the very first guest we ever had on War Room Impeachment. | ||
| Mark Meadows. | ||
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The legendary Mark Meadows. | |
| We've gotten in a lot of trouble over the years. | ||
| We'll join Joanna Miller, Peter Navarro's right-hand man. | ||
| Raheem Kassam, Stephen K. Band. | ||
| We'll be back in the War Room in just a moment. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, we're very honored to have Rabbi Sparrow kick off Passover and Holy Week. | ||
| A man of wisdom. | ||
| Remember, he always talks about human agency. | ||
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| And a court of law and a civil suit will figure all that out, but you've got the Dominion guys that say, hey, it is impossible for our, we're not hooked to the internet, it's impossible for our data to cross county lines, much less state lines, much less internationally. | ||
| And Mike Lindell and his team are arguing the exact opposite. | ||
| You know, Absolute Truth was his first film. | ||
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| He's going to launch that, he tells me, with the new social media platform, Frank. | ||
| And that's going to come out, I think, in 10 days to a week. | ||
| But I can announce that he's going to put the one hour interview with the whistleblower somehow later this week. | ||
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| Okay, last night, yesterday, there's so much to get to. | ||
| We've got the border, we've got Georgia, we've got Woke Capital trying to reverse what's happening down in Georgia. | ||
| A lot to get to. | ||
| We're honored to have Mark Meadows in here and Joanna Miller. | ||
| We've got to deal with 60 Minutes and with CNN. | ||
| And maybe I want to play, I just want to go over, it was shocking to me last night to see individuals up there on CNN that had a public platform, that were part of a task force, but every day we'd sit here and the whole show, the reason we went to, you know, we went to Pandemic on January 23rd, right, of 2020. | ||
| We were talking about it in mid-January. | ||
| about this pandemic. | ||
| People are telling me, you're crazy, you're nuts, this is just a, you know, including Fauci, who went on a national broadcast on John Catsimatidis' radio show on the 23rd of January on WABC on Sunday morning said, because Catsimatidis said, Bannon, what's your hair on fire for this thing? | ||
| And he said, I said, look, this is the biggest event in world history, this is going to happen, he goes, okay, I know a guy from the Clinton administration, because Catsimatidis is very close to the Clinton guys, it was Fauci. | ||
| Fauci goes on, nothing to worry about. | ||
| This is just something in China, nothing to worry about. | ||
| I mean, it just goes on and on. | ||
| Catchment TV calls me and says, why is your hair on fire? | ||
| Fauci's the top guy in the world, says nothing on fire. | ||
| Now we know from CNN last night, Fauci says that he started a vaccine on January 10th. | ||
| You know, 13 days before his interview, he says there's nothing to worry about. | ||
| He's taking credit last night. | ||
| He says, on January 10th, I'm so glad I started the vaccines. | ||
| But to pull the camera back for a second, because we've got some clips we're going to play here. | ||
| You had these individuals up there who every day were doing briefings in the Brady Room down there, up on the stage, and now they're saying there's all these new revelations coming out. | ||
| And the Vice President had the task force, stuff was getting done every day, huge actions were taking place, not just shutting down coming from China, quarantining people, which had never been done, calling a national emergency on the 11th, right? | ||
| A national emergency, stop travel from Europe, and do a national address from the Oval Office. | ||
| So I just want your perspective before we get into the details of the CNN report last night. | ||
| Well, what we heard on the CNN report last night was rhetoric that we never heard in the West Wing from Deborah Birx or Dr. Fauci. | ||
| Hang on one second. | ||
| I just want to make sure. | ||
| On the record. | ||
| On the record. | ||
| Everything you heard, because I'm sitting there. | ||
| We're as close as possible. | ||
| I'm hopeful that some of it was edited and that it was taken out of context for Dr. Birx to say that hundreds of thousands of people's lives would have been saved if we had done things differently is patently false and not accurate and was never uttered in the White House. | ||
| Let me be even more specific. | ||
| She said outside the first hundred thousand, right, all the others could have been averted. | ||
| Well, by her own estimate, there was more people that were going to lose their lives early on in the pandemic. | ||
| By her own estimate, by Dr. Fauci's own estimate. | ||
| And even at that time, they were talking about potentially millions of people losing their lives. | ||
| I can tell you, these are the same two people that said that there was no way that there would ever be a vaccine that would happen before the fall of this coming year. | ||
| And we will probably have most of America vaccinated, those who are willing to get vaccinated by this fall, when they were saying it was not even possible to come up with an expedited manner to get it done. | ||
| I just want to make sure we got the flow of information correct. | ||
| You had Vice President Pence chaired the task force. | ||
| These individuals were all on the task force. | ||
| Your role as Chief of Staff, you're managing both the financial recovery, the economic recovery, you've got a lot going on. | ||
| Your involvement to know what these people are saying, you were a deputy member, ad hoc ex-officio member, you knew the flow. | ||
| Just, I want to get to the point. | ||
| At no time did any of the stuff they say on CNN, they brought up into the task force at any time and were ever held back from going public with it? | ||
| They were never held back from going public. | ||
| In fact, most of the time, Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci both would agree publicly, and they've stated so publicly, that the President did everything that they asked him to do. | ||
| Now, but what is also alarming is to have this revisionist type of program last night to suggest that there was something different than should have been done when they were actually in the room helping make the decisions. | ||
| In fact, if anything, For those kind of comments to come out last night, it was not only alarming, but just very disingenuous to suggest that the President was pushing back. | ||
| I can tell you about the uncomfortable phone call. | ||
| It had nothing to do with any of that. | ||
| It had to do with the fact that Deborah Birx started talking about keeping schools closed and remote learning. | ||
| And that was what it was all about because that was not based on science! | ||
| I want to go back to, it was in August, I remember when she said it, it was on CNN, I think it was Dana Bash, when she said it, I think it was on a Sunday, the show, Dana Bash was interviewing her, I thought, and she went on and on talking all different types of policy. | ||
| They didn't show that last night on CNN. | ||
| They had a very tight clip of her with Dana Bash. | ||
| But your point is, that uncomfortable conversation was because she went in other policy areas besides of what her brief was? | ||
| Well, I mean, when we look at the way that this has actually been transmitted, the epicenter is not elementary schools across the country. | ||
| And so we learned that very, very early on, even when we closed down our entire economy in March and April. | ||
| When we looked at that, we knew very quickly that actually The transfer of this particular disease was not something that was happening primarily in elementary schools. | ||
| It was those at risk were those that were much more older and it seemed like the The fatality and morbidity rate among those that were 70 and above was really where the focus had to be. | ||
| You had the 15 days to lower the spread. | ||
| Yeah, the 15 days to slow the spread was the official thing. | ||
| By the way, in here, and I was much more of a, hey, hard quarantine for New York, cut everything off, shut everything down. | ||
| We were even hardcore that. | ||
| Jason here was at the time. | ||
| Then you extended it to another 30 days. | ||
| So it's 45 days to get you, basically I think to Memorial Day, to the end of May. | ||
| Was there any time, any time that you remember that they gave advice, specifically Fauci and Dr. Birx, Ever gave advice, science-based, evidence-based, database, that the President, through that period, when he turned back over the states to start doing the opening, which you would monitor for the targeted interventions, that you remember the President went against? | ||
| No, he never went against it. | ||
| In fact, they were part of the process to actually open up, you know, whether it's a stage one, stage two, stage three. | ||
| How do you reopen your states? | ||
| How do you reopen your communities? | ||
| And that was part of their process that we came, that they actually came up with. | ||
| And the task force, the entire task force, worked together on that. | ||
| But there was also another thing that was going on. | ||
| You know, you talk about the economy and the economy melting down. | ||
| It wasn't just the economy. | ||
| It was our food supply. | ||
| You know, the very fact that you have essential workers that actually had to show up so that everyone could eat, that we were actually wrestling with as well, and somehow, you know, that didn't get brought into the CNN documentary last night, that we were actually having to work with trying to make sure that people actually had food that they could purchase at their supermarket. | ||
| No, because you're talking about the aspect of it. | ||
| We're going to take a break here. | ||
| Before I get to the breakdown, I want to mention that what she talked about when it came out of the spread was that it was the five gating events or five aspects to totally reopen. | ||
| And she said, that would take us into August. | ||
| OK? | ||
| Or she said, however, in the process you set up with Cuomo in New York and Newsom in California and DeSantis, it was going to be the governors that made those decisions given their guidelines. | ||
| Giving them flexibility. | ||
| Giving them flexibility to do their interpretations at the state level. | ||
| Some of it worked out like in Florida, right? | ||
| Some of it worked out maybe not as well in New York City because de Blasio and these guys made decisions. | ||
| Or Cuomo now, we know the decisions they made. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| We'll return with Mark Meadows, Joanna Miller, Raheem Kassam in a minute. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| With Stephen K. Banham. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Was there a moment, Dr. Fauci, when you said, okay, this is the big one? | ||
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40% increase in New York hospitals in just 24 hours. | |
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When I saw what happened in New York City, refrigerated trucks are now being mobilized as makeshift wards, almost overrunning of our health care system. | |
| It was like, oh, my goodness. | ||
| And that's when it became very clear that the decision we made on January the 10th To go all out and develop a vaccine. | ||
| We had a number of vaccine candidates. | ||
| May have been the best decision that I've ever made with regard to an intervention as the director of the institute. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This guy is a stone cold liar. | ||
| I was supposed to do a read, I can't even do it. | ||
| Here's why. | ||
| Those are very important. | ||
| He says, I knew we had a, a, a, the big one. | ||
| I knew we had the big one. | ||
| I knew we had the big one when he sat at the Elmsworth Hospital. | ||
| That New York Times story and NBC report, I think took place two days after the President had a national, in the Oval Office, call a national emergency and says, hey, I'm stopping traffic from Europe, everything like that. | ||
| Because that Saturday, remember, here in the War Room, we were calling for a total quarantine of New York City, like Wuhan, and a complete shutdown of all traffic, including flights to New York City going to Puerto Rico. | ||
| They had a thing on Elmsworth Hospital and President Trump said, I know the color of every painting in every room and I know the size of every window because that's the hospital. | ||
| I've been going seeing six people in Queens because I'm from Queens. | ||
| And we said at the time, that's going to have an impact on him because now it can be personalized, right? | ||
| NBC did a great report on the hospital with the refrigerated trucks and then the New York Times did a piece. | ||
| President Trump comes out the next Saturday morning to go to Norfolk, Virginia, my beloved hometown, to go to Norfolk, Virginia, to the Naval Station, to see the retrofitted USNS Comfort | ||
| Take off for New York City, of which Mark Meadows and the staff and Peter Navarro and the team working for President Trump and the task force had authorized the complete reconstruction of Javits Center to build it to a field hospital with thousands of beds, to build an army, to have the Army and National Guard build a field hospital in Central Park with thousands of beds, to retrofit an emergency working 24 hours a day, the USNS Comfort, and then to sail it to the west side of New York on the Hudson River, | ||
| With thousands of beds? | ||
| And not just that, to throw it in for good measure, to talk to Franklin Graham and the great people down in Samaritan's Purse, who are going to throw another two million dollars in and build another facility for that. | ||
| Of which Cuomo makes a decision later not to send anybody. | ||
| Because if they got it, let's send them back to the nursing homes. | ||
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| That'll all come out in the investigation. | ||
| But Fauci's sitting there going, that's when I knew I had the big one. | ||
| Hey bro, it doesn't work. | ||
| You're supposed to be such a genius. | ||
| Back in January, you're telling people it's no problem, and here's why you're a stone-cold liar. | ||
| Peter Navarro, that last week in January, they're down in the Situation Room, and Navarro's just meeting you, and you're fighting him on shutting down anything. | ||
| Oh no, WHO says if you shut down anything, it's totally worse, they'll just hide it, they'll just lie about it. | ||
| That's in January, where Peter Navarro and the team come up. | ||
| Those actions, it just didn't magically come out of the air that the USNS Comfort was retrofitted. | ||
| It did not come out of the air that the field hospital was built. | ||
| It didn't come out of the air, the ether, that the Javits Center is reconstructed. | ||
| That's Donald J. Trump, Mark Meadows, Peter Navarro, the task force. | ||
| That's work that's being done. | ||
| And he's sitting there. | ||
| Now we're going to nail him. | ||
| We're going to go back to everything. | ||
| We got this guy now. | ||
| Because enough lies have been said. | ||
| And Sanjay Gupta is looking at this. | ||
| Tell me when the big one he knew was the big one. | ||
| Brother, you're not paid to think at that time. | ||
| That's when the person reading the New York Post is supposed to know it's a big one. | ||
| You're paid to let people know it's the big one back in January when you first see it, when you're in total denial. | ||
| And your Stone Cold lied. | ||
| You have lied about your support for shutting down the China. | ||
| There are eyewitnesses that know you fought that. | ||
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Fauci, you have zero credibility. | |
| And now, on top of it all, To sit there and go, yes, the most courageous, best decision I ever made. | ||
| I was so glad I made the decision to do the vaccine on January 10th. | ||
| Now, Mark, you got to help me out here, brother. | ||
| What is he talking about? | ||
| Well, I don't know what he's talking about, because I can tell you that after January 10th, certainly in March and in April, the same Dr. Fauci was saying, listen, we can't count on vaccines. | ||
| There's no way that we're going to ever have vaccines. | ||
| There's no way that we were going to be able to have vaccines. | ||
| So we were focused on therapeutics. | ||
| I can tell you it was all about therapeutics and the president kept saying, let's find some therapeutics to make sure we can do that because no one believed that the vaccines would ever be done and yet... | ||
| Led by Fauci, and yet what we know is the President said, not only do you double down, but triple down, and make sure we put the resources there. | ||
| But when you look at the comfort and the mercy, and hospital beds being set up in New York. | ||
| Field hospitals, Army field hospitals. | ||
| The Javits Center! | ||
| You totally reconfigured the Javits Center! | ||
| The worry at that particular time was is that there would be so many hospital beds that would be filled that you wouldn't have it. | ||
| And yes, you're exactly right. | ||
| A hospital in Queens that the president knew well really Touched him. | ||
| He says, you know, we can't have this in America. | ||
| America is better than this. | ||
| We've got to do everything. | ||
| And he said, spare no expense. | ||
| He walks out that morning to take the Marine One down to Norfolk Naval Station. | ||
| He walks out and thinks, he says, you know, because he just saw the MSNBC report, he says, you know, I think we might want to think about quarantining New York City. | ||
| At the same time, It's the first time that Dr. Fauci was applauding New York on handling it so well. | ||
| You know, Dr. Fauci multiple times has said, oh, Governor Cuomo's doing such a great job, such a great job. | ||
| Well, we know now that he wasn't doing a good job, that he was actually sending infected people back into nursing homes. | ||
| But even the death rate and what we saw in New York, it was catastrophic. | ||
| And yet somehow we get this false applause from Dr. Fauci. | ||
| How does CNN let him say, was there anything that you know on January 10th? | ||
| This January 10th number is bizarre. | ||
| Is there anything that he's trying to take credit for that later in a conversation came up, oh yeah, I actually started the vaccine on January 10th and it's not going to be a problem. | ||
| Because my understanding is that he was the biggest naysayer about a vaccine even being possible anytime in the short range. | ||
| That's where you guys were looking at therapeutics. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, he was just saying it was going to take way too many years. | ||
| And ultimately, I don't know where the January 10th date comes from, other than did he go back and look in the records and say, well, somebody was working on a vaccine at NIH at that particular time. | ||
| But I can tell you, it was Operation Warp Speed, President Trump, and all the resources. | ||
| We put over $30 billion in resources to make sure that vaccines went in people's arms this year. | ||
| As you know, this being the War Room, you have some people in our posse that are, hey, the vaccine's okay, and some people... Oh, I know that! | ||
| Oh, I know that! | ||
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Some people say, upon further review, where's my hydroxychloroquine? | |
| Right? | ||
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Right. | |
| No, I get that. | ||
| But, at any... I just gotta get this on the record, because I think it's so important. | ||
| Timeline's important here. | ||
| At any time, to the best of your memory, Did Fauci say in that time frame in the February-March and all this when you guys were starting to really not double down but triple down on a vaccine concurrently, which is do actions concurrently, did he ever tell you, oh it's so good because I actually in January actually started the vaccine program so we'll be able to draft off that? | ||
| Do you remember he ever Well, I can't speak to what was said in February, because I came into the White House like the middle part of March. | ||
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But I can tell you, before we did the 15 days... When action started to take place, just saying, hey, just throwing it out there. | |
| I can tell you when the 15 days shut down and the 30 days shut down, I was there at the table. | ||
| And I can tell you the consistent message was, is that there was no way that we would have a vaccine. | ||
| And that was echoed not just by Dr. Fauci, but by others in the room. | ||
| In that critical time, when you came in for March and April and May, was there any time that they presented any evidence to you that the president, that you guys didn't act upon? | ||
| Because they make Scott, was it Scott Atlas, last night look like some devil. | ||
| I don't know Atlas, I don't know what role he had. | ||
| I know, here's the thing I know, is that, and I kept saying it, CDC and Fauci and NIH Where are their models about this? | ||
| We would talk about models every day and use the University of Washington, the Seattle people and other things, but I said, hey, this is like being on Wall Street. | ||
| We have research reports that confirm what the company is saying about guidance, right? | ||
| Where was CDC and models like that? | ||
| But they made Atlas out to be like some demon, right? | ||
| I don't even know how big a player this guy was at the time, but back in March, April and May, When you were doing the efforts to suppress this because of capacity utilization at the hospitals and the ICU units, which was, whether it was ventilators or anything at the time that we knew, you guys are sitting there going, let's build this, let's do this, let's get ventilators, let's use the Production Act. | ||
| Anything we have to do, we're at war. | ||
| We're at war. | ||
| Did Fauci or Birx ever give you guys anything that you looked at the information and just didn't act upon what they were saying? | ||
| No, there was never a time where that didn't happen. | ||
| I will say Dr. Atlas wasn't there then. | ||
| Exactly, he didn't come until later. | ||
| He didn't come until much later. | ||
| But they made it seem like he was before the reopening criteria, those six gating events, that Atlas had a whole new set of mathematics or something. | ||
| Well, he wasn't even there. | ||
| And so when we look at that, all of that was bringing up data. | ||
| Here's the one thing that we also do know. | ||
| Is in terms of CDC data, in terms of data that we actually had to model this, even today, I question the veracity of some of that data because the way that we get it, number of deaths, the way that it comes in from different states, it's something that the Biden administration is going to have to continue to work on. | ||
| We started that work very early. | ||
| But in terms of modeling, you're right, they were going with a Washington model that actually had all kinds of different things extrapolated in a number of different ways, trying to compare us to other countries. | ||
| And listen, numbers were very alarming. | ||
| We knew that we had to take action. | ||
| The President did take action consistently. | ||
| And when we look at a program last night that's trying to do A look back that's not based on facts, it's very troubling. | ||
| By the way, we'd invite Dr. Gupta, who we think very highly of, we'd invite Dr. Gupta to go through, we'll go through, we'd like to go through line by line and deconstruct his report, because I think a lot of it was misleading. | ||
| Fauci also made, we're going to jump to commercial break, Fauci also made another thing, they start off the thing by saying, we're here today with 500,000 dead, did you ever think it'd be this thing, and he's got this big, he's moping, no, it's so horrible. | ||
| Peter Navarro's memo back in January 27th, sir, of 2020 had numbers far exceeding that that Peter Navarro says, if you don't stop travel from Wuhan and from central China and we quarantine people immediately, this is what will happen. | ||
| You fought that, sir. | ||
| So how you sit there and with a straight face and this is so much worse than I thought it was going to be. | ||
| You were presented evidence and with their eyewitnesses to you being presented that evidence, you can't worm away from this. | ||
| There are eyewitnesses and there are documents of things that you fought. | ||
| And to sit there and start, this is so much more horrible. | ||
| Because that's going to feed into Berks's lie that after the 100,000, it's basically all President Trump's responsibility. | ||
| That's what they were saying. | ||
| This is what they're trying to do. | ||
| They couldn't get him on impeachment. | ||
| They're trying to now rewrite history. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Rewrite history so that people always think that everything that happened was his fault. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And not give him credit for where we really got through this thing because of actions that were taken on information that was known at the time. | ||
| And Fauci's trying to say, well, I said that at the time because that was the information. | ||
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They're not just trying to make it seem like someone else's fault, right? | |
| That Donald Trump's fault or whoever. | ||
| They're trying to make you not look at whose fault it really is. | ||
| You're very good. | ||
| That's why we have Raheem Kassam here. | ||
| OK, take a short commercial break. | ||
| We'll return. | ||
| We got Mark Meadows, former chief of staff. | ||
| For President Trump's first term, Joanna Miller, the right-hand man of Peter Navarro, and who is on Maria today, lighten it up! | ||
| We're gonna try to have a clip of that, and Raheem Kassam, my wingman here in the War Room. | ||
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| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| I knew I was being watched. | ||
| Everybody inside was waiting for me to make a misstep so that they could, I guess, remove me from the task force. | ||
| It is extraordinarily widespread. | ||
| The CNN report in August that got horrible pushback. | ||
| To everybody who lives in a rural area, you are not immune or protected from this virus. | ||
| That was a very difficult time because everybody in the White House was upset with that interview and the clarity that I brought about the epidemic. | ||
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I can tell just by reading your face that was a really tough time. | |
| What happened? | ||
| Well, I got called by the president. | ||
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What does he say? | |
| Well, I think you've heard other conversations that people have posted with the president. | ||
| I would say it was even more direct than what people have heard. | ||
| It was very uncomfortable, very direct, and very difficult to hear. | ||
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Were you threatened? | |
| I would say it was a very uncomfortable conversation. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| That is Dr. Birx, a former Army colonel, I believe, also former ambassador. | ||
| Mark Meadows, your response, recollection of that hit on CNN in those days? | ||
| Well, they only played part of the hit. | ||
| The real problem with Dr. Birx is not the fact that she was saying rural America needs to be on the ready, because we had already been communicating that. | ||
| It was the way in which she did it to suggest that we've got schools that need to stay closed. | ||
| We've got unbelievable efforts underway that she somehow took a personal response. | ||
| And I can tell you, the President did not threaten her. | ||
| And so let's just be real clear about that. | ||
| I'll answer the question. | ||
| It may have been uncomfortable because she was out there talking about something that was not really supported by facts. | ||
| She was going all over the country. | ||
| We actually allowed her to go all over the country. | ||
| You provided Air Force Two for her to go talk to governors because that was the plan of opening up the nation. | ||
| And we were having daily and weekly calls with stakeholders. | ||
| We were having calls with governors. | ||
| And so to suggest that somehow the president was saying, you're giving us valuable information, Dr. Birx, and we're going to ignore it, just didn't happen. | ||
| And I don't know, I mean, I'm very disappointed because if she was so concerned about it, why didn't she quit in August? | ||
| Why didn't she quit in September? | ||
| Did she come to you and say, hey, I just had an uncomfortable call? | ||
| Did she ever, any time, say anything about that? | ||
| Or about going outside her lane and starting to talk about schools opening? | ||
| Well, I think a lot of the task force said, you know, here's what we have talked about, here's the strategy, here's what we've all agreed upon. | ||
| Off, on her own, to essentially communicate something that was not coming out of the task force. | ||
| She never ran that by you or the task force or the President, to your knowledge? | ||
| No, I think that was why she got the pushback she did, because indeed it was something based on her own evaluation of the facts. | ||
| National platform. | ||
| She was up there every day. | ||
| Remember, there got to be like a meme about her different scarves, and it had a whole Instagram page, I think. | ||
| And she made it last night that that was like some sort of sexist thing. | ||
| I think it wasn't. | ||
| I think people felt very highly about her, right? | ||
| That she came out there. | ||
| But at any time, did she Uh, give you information or things that she wasn't allowed to say up on the platform. | ||
| She had a global stage, a global platform. | ||
| I don't remember her carrying any of the advice, any actions that we're taking, because this is what this show is about. | ||
| We would watch those every day. | ||
| In fact, sometimes we'd cut them on live. | ||
| We'd live tweet them. | ||
| We followed this minutely. | ||
| Did she ever say, I don't feel comfortable because I've got information I should be saying? | ||
| The documentary last night appears to be a number of people who want to settle a score. | ||
| And they want to settle a score against President Trump. | ||
| When they were actually in the room and able to make a decision. | ||
| She was empowered to make decisions. | ||
| And not one time did the president ever say, that's your recommendation, I'm not going to go with it. | ||
| And that didn't happen. | ||
| I want to go to the thing of August. | ||
| She said, look, the way we set up the openings after the 45 days to lower the curve, and remember, that was about capacity utilization of ICU beds. | ||
| The whole thing of lowering the curve is to make sure you don't overwhelm the hospitals, right? | ||
| The capacity utilization constraints, okay? | ||
| You do that, then you come up with a program, we're going to reopen the country. | ||
| But we're going to do it on a state level, and you come up and you have a huge presentation of all those six indications. | ||
| Do you remember at any time, because I went back, I don't remember her on that stage ever saying that the states are not following the guidelines we've given them in opening, because she said last night, we've really planned this, that it wouldn't be until August that the things could be reopened. | ||
| Did she ever come and say, and then CNN had the thing of people on the beach and the 4th of July and Memorial Day, everything like this. | ||
| You know, people out there with no mask. | ||
| Did she ever come to you at any time and say that the states are doing it in different order? | ||
| They're not following our guideline? | ||
| Do you remember her ever? | ||
| Because she never came on the stage on her platform and ever said anything like that. | ||
| Yeah, I don't recall anything like that. | ||
| I can tell you that different states use the guidelines in different ways. | ||
| We know that and we see that from California and Florida. | ||
| And I think there's always you know, a concern when somebody says, well, this is a guideline and you're doing it differently and what that might mean from a public health standpoint. | ||
| Okay, we're going to, okay, we've got another, we would ask you to stay over for the second hour. | ||
| We've kind of junked our entire program because it's all about that. | ||
| No, no, this has to be addressed. | ||
| Let me just tell you, Dr. Birx needs to walk back her comments from last night. | ||
| Pure and simple. | ||
| It was not based on anything said in the White House. | ||
| Are you saying she lied? | ||
| Well, I'm saying that what she shared with CNN was never shared in the White House, and she needs to walk it back. | ||
| It's not supported by the facts. | ||
| And if we're going to look at the millions of lives that were saved, let's look at the vaccines that this president actually Did get done, because we've got not only millions of lives potentially here in the United States, but millions of lives across the globe because of a president who was willing to do what a number of people said was impossible. | ||
| Okay, we return, we've got to get into therapeutics. | ||
| Joanna Miller, remember she was at the White House at the time, one of the laboring ores for Dr. Navarro and that team, but the mask and the therapeutics, we've got to get into all this, because there's another thing that quite frankly last night on CNN, I think certain people Dr. Fauci, I'm trying to rewrite history, okay? | ||
| Take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to return with CNN in 60 minutes. | ||
| The analysis. | ||
| Mark Meadows is in the house. |
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