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steve cortes
One of the only benefits of the Biden border crisis is a new awakening among Americans on the need for border security and American sovereignty.
Let's look at some of the data.
Very new polling just released by Politico Morning Consult shows that a minority of Americans, 43% only, now favor amnesty, a pathway to citizenship for those who break and enter into our country.
That is down 14%.
Just since January.
So as this border crisis unfolds and accelerates and worsens, Americans are increasingly realizing we need strong borders.
Also, another important subtext within this polling, 44% of Hispanics, a minority of Hispanics, favor amnesty virtually identical to the overall Figure.
Why is that important?
Well, it gives lie to the corporate media narrative that Hispanics are somehow soft on the border.
That's simply not the case.
The America First agenda is winning over working-class Americans of all ethnicities and all races.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome to the War Room.
It is 25 March, the year of our Lord 2021.
We're here with Dave Ramaswamy, our co-host today, who is a strategic consultant for us on geopolitics, finance, capital, all of it.
He's in today and also Natalie Winters, our co-host today from the National Pulse.
We're going to go from the border and the situation on the border to Boulder, Colorado, the arraignment today of the ISIS The ISIS-friendly assassin out there.
Ten people dead.
He's going to be arraigned today.
We'll go live to Boulder.
Also, we're going to talk about the Suez Canal.
We're going to finish in Wuhan.
We've got a lot to cover today.
A lot of wood to chop here.
I want to bring in first, Steve Cortez right there talked about what we talked about on the show for weeks, ladies and gentlemen.
That is the more You focus on these atrocities that are happening in Central America along the border with the cartels, what's happening to the people down in Central America and Latin America, how they're being basically trafficked up here by the cartels.
We want to bring in a former special agent for ICE, Victor Avila, the author of the book, Agent Under Fire.
Yesterday, he had the great footage of this Mack truck, basically a trailer and a Mack truck with people just jumping out of there.
It had already come across the border.
Remember, when they talk about 100,000 people that they've had touch points with, this does not talk about the getaways, right?
The ones that got away.
So I want to bring in Victor Avila.
First off, Victor, about that gunfight that we opened with.
And for our podcast and radio audience, we start with a very brutal footage of a gun battle down in Mexico.
And the reason I want to bring this up, Victor, I've been following this story for, I don't know, 10 or 12 years as a filmmaker.
I made a film about the border years ago, over a decade ago at Breitbart.
Obviously, we're at the cutting edge of all of it.
And now at the obviously Trump campaign, Trump White House, and now in the war room.
There's something that's developed recently or now developing that I don't think the American people are quite aware of.
And that is, there's a whole new level of viciousness, a whole new level of sophistication.
This is becoming an industrial process of these cartels of human trafficking, and the trafficking of fentanyl and other things that they're getting from the Chinese Communist But the brutality of these individuals is so overwhelming that it's frightening the military, it's frightening the federalities, all of it.
Explain to us what we saw in that gunfight.
unidentified
That gunfight happened in the state of Nayarit, which is about an hour north of Puerto Vallarta, a very popular destination for tourists.
Sedena, the Mexican military went out and in this case was successful in taking down one of the leaders of the cartel Jalisco New Generation, which that cartel right now is probably the most powerful cartel in the world.
And you're absolutely right, Steve.
These cartels have evolved.
They're not the same from even 10, 15 years ago.
They are highly sophisticated, highly weaponized, and trained.
And they operate in kind of like a military fashion.
And the level of violence is just out of control.
In Mexico, there was 36,000 murders last year.
36,000 per capita in a country of 110 million.
And over 80,000 people missing.
They can't even find them.
And this is what the cartels do.
My point is that what the cartels are doing in Mexico affects us in the United States because the cartels are present.
And they have their presence in the U.S.
all over our country, continuing to push their poison.
The record numbers of fentanyl, methamphetamine, heroin, cocaine.
And aside from the human trafficking, the human smuggling that now the cartels have embraced and taken over themselves as well.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to go back to this for a second and make sure, is it your thesis that what I'm hearing from other federal officers is that and state officials down the DPS in Texas, the Texas Rangers, that the cartels not only control the border in northern Mexico, to a large extent they actually have operating control of a lot of the border on our side?
unidentified
They do, especially in the southern part of Texas.
They have a major presence there.
And not only do they have presence and control of the northern part of the Mexican side, by Mexico's own statistics, they control and have influence over 80% of their own country.
I think they control all of it.
They control the politicians now.
They control the police.
They have the influence because of the corruption.
Have taken basically over all these migrants that you see coming over have cannot go through Mexico without being contacted by a cartel member.
steve bannon
Look, the ICE agents that you were part of, you were a special agent for ICE, and all the Border Patrol folks I know, and we know a ton of Border Patrol individuals, you know, and Border Patrol I think is 85% Hispanic, they tell me all the time that this is an open secret, people know this, but you don't get action from Washington.
I just wanna make sure, is that your, is the people in the field understand what the issue is here, but they don't get the support from Washington D.C.? ?
unidentified
Unfortunately, that's absolutely true.
It even happened in my career.
I was shot in the line of duty in 2011 and my partner was killed next to me when we were ambushed by the Zeta cartel in Mexico.
And so I know firsthand the failure of the government when it comes to that kind of response.
But yeah, there's always been this huge disconnect between Washington and the field.
You know, the true experts are the agents on the ground that are telling you on a daily basis what the conditions are.
And for some reason, someone in Washington wants to make policy decisions that haven't even been in Mexico or visited down the border at all.
steve bannon
The polling, that's where we wanted to go to the great Steve Cortez, who was on the Trump campaign and one of the smartest guys in the country, his analysis of this polling.
The polling's collapsing.
We told you right off the bat for our audience that this amnesty bill would collapse because of Biden's radical policies regarding the border.
I've got to bounce, but Victor, and by the way, Victor's book, Agent Under Fire, you can't put it down, right?
This is an American patriot and you see what these guys go through.
It's unbelievable.
And you think about the executive orders that Biden and the radical left that control the Democratic Party essentially want to gut ice.
They want no internal enforcement whatsoever.
Victor, if you were sitting with Kamala Harris, because she's the one they're sending to the border.
Right?
To get control of this.
The Biden administration announced last night.
What would you tell Vice President Harris about what two or three actions that you believe need to be done immediately in order to get control of this?
unidentified
One, we need to designate the cartels as foreign terrorist organizations through the State Department and get that process going.
This will be a game changer dramatically.
We need to designate four or five of these major cartels in Mexico as foreign terrorist organizations because that's what I believe they are.
They're worse than ISIS, worse than Al Qaeda, worse than the Taliban.
That's one.
Second, we need to not only, you know, the people say secure the border, we need to seal the border.
And I like to see the 25,000 National Guards that were sent to D.C.
I want to see them down on our border.
We cannot take care of our people inside the U.S.
and the issues that we have with our own violence until we seal that border, because the drugs and the violence and everything that the cartels bring and the illegal activity and illegal aliens as well, will not end unless we seal that border.
We can still have trade.
We can still continue to work closely with Mexico.
And that's the third one.
We need to sit down and really hammer it down with Mexico and Central America and solve the issues that they need to take care of on their end in their own countries.
steve bannon
Victor, one last question.
You saw the polling from Steve Cortez talking about the morning consul poll at Politico.
Is it your belief that working class and middle class Hispanic Americans, citizens down in the Rio Grande Valley, down in Southern Arizona, South Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California, do you think that they support tougher measures on the border to get control of this, including building a wall?
unidentified
Absolutely.
As a first-generation Hispanic American, I'm a product of the American dream.
My parents came here legally, and I support, I'm a big supporter of legal immigration.
But you're absolutely right.
Hispanic Americans are conservative by nature.
People ask me, when did you become a conservative?
I didn't.
I was born and raised this way.
And a lot of Hispanics, by their own natural values, are this way.
We just need to get them to vote a different way because the Democrats have done a good job in convincing them otherwise.
But I agree with you, that's a great poll, and we're going to see those numbers shifting even greater.
steve bannon
Victor, this is about the great realignment in this populist movement, nationalist movement in this country.
It's going to be led by working class Hispanics.
Okay, Victor, how do people get to the book?
unidentified
How do they get to you on social media?
Agentunderfirebook.com, Instagram at Victor Avila Jr., that's J-R, and on Facebook at Victor Avila.
steve bannon
Thank you, Victor.
Honored to have you on today.
Let's go down to, let's go actually to the Rio Grande right now.
We got Todd Bensman.
Todd's the Senior Analyst, National Security Analyst for the Center for Immigration Studies.
Todd, your report yesterday was incredible.
Live, you saw people crossing.
Walk and put us, where are you today and what's going on?
todd bensman
Spot of Del Rio, Texas, which is Probably 130 miles southwest of San Antonio.
This is a very, very busy crossing spot on the Rio Grande.
In fact, just as I was setting up this shot, Border Patrol, which is about 75 feet over here, caught a family of Venezuelans.
They turned themselves in.
And they told me that over the next couple of hours, we'll see a whole lot of migrants crossing right here.
Those Venezuelans, by the way, I interviewed them briefly, and they're on their way to Florida.
They will have legal documents from the Biden administration within a day or two, and they'll be on a bus to Florida.
steve bannon
When you say a bus to Florida, you're in Del Rio, Texas.
When people are crossing right now, you're saying Customs and Border are putting them on buses and sending them to other parts of the country?
todd bensman
Yeah, what's happening is that family units are being, they're catching releases back in this sector and really all across the border for family units.
So they come in, Border Patrol will take that family.
There were four, including a four-year-old child from Venezuela.
We'll take them to a processing center not too far from here in Del Rio.
They'll be given personal recognizance release papers.
And then they'll be released to an NGO in town that will arrange bus fare for them and bus transportation.
I was on a bus, I boarded one of the buses last night, filled to the gills with Haitians and yeah, and those guys were all headed to New Jersey and Florida.
steve bannon
Headed to New Jersey.
Okay, hang on.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to go to Boulder, Colorado, but stay there, Todd.
We're going to come back to you on the rear ground.
Todd Benson from Center for Immigration Studies, an expert on border security as a national security issue.
You're in the War Room.
We're taking a short commercial break.
When we return, we're going to go to Boulder, Colorado, for the arraignment of the shooter in the Boulder Massacre.
Next, in the War Room.
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steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
There's a lot of news breaking today.
We had a very different show in mind, but as news breaks, we've got to cover it, because our audience wants to be in the know.
I want to thank MyPillow.com, the folks over at MyPillow, and particularly Mike Lindell, the warrior.
He is going to make a special appearance on The War Room tomorrow.
A lot of breaking news about his social media platform.
Also, Breaking news on his fight to get to the bottom of November 3rd.
Remember he had this seven-hour conference at Regions University by Michelle Bachman, the dean down there.
Had Navarro, had Clements of New Mexico State, had all the people showing their receipts for seven hours.
Mike Lindell is leading that fight.
He'll be on the show tomorrow.
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Okay, we're going to go to my co-host Dave Ramaswamy, Natalie Winters.
I promise they're going to get a chance to talk as we get into the thing.
Just not.
Raheem is on assignment.
Raheem is actually drilling down on the press conference.
You know, Raheem is the guy that came up with the, how many days, 65 I think it is, Natalie, now?
The National Poll's been all over Biden about why they haven't done a press conference.
It happens today at 1.15.
All softball questions the media's been talking about.
T-ball.
Raheem Kassam is doing his own analysis.
We're going to try to get Raheem in here, who's actually in the war room finally doing some work right over there.
He told me today that the Kingside, the pedal was so good he couldn't get off it.
Okay, I want to go now to Boulder, Colorado, Real America's Voice.
Jessica Rivera did such great coverage for us the other day.
Jessica, you're outside a courthouse today.
Tell us why you're there and what's happening.
unidentified
Well, Steve, today, right now, at any minute, the Boulder-suspected shooter, Ahmad Al-Issa, is supposed to be appearing for the first time in court for his first arraignment.
He is expected to appear in person.
That is what the judge requested.
We don't know if that is going to be the case.
He does have a right to waive that.
He can show up, he can choose not to show up, or he can show up virtually.
So we will find out momentarily what that will look like.
He will be read his rights.
He will be given all the information of the 10 counts of first-degree murder.
It is supposed to be a lengthy procedure.
It is set for an hour.
We don't know if it will take that long or longer at this point.
And that's what we have for you.
We have the live feed inside the courtroom and we will have that for our viewers to keep them updated as the procedures go on within the next hour.
steve bannon
So, Jessica, let me get right, has he got, do we know if he has counsel or not?
Is it a public defender or has he actually retained counsel?
unidentified
So I have not heard that he has retained counsel, so I am going to figure he has a public defender at this point.
He does not need to make an official plea today.
He will not be asked for that.
So he doesn't need officially to have counsel at this point, so a public defender would do.
Normally at these arraignments, at this step in the process, they would ask him They would give a bond amount, but of course in this case there's not a bond that is to be expected as he is being held with no bond at this point.
steve bannon
And just to repeat, it's going to be 10 counts of first-degree murder, one count for each of the victims, correct?
unidentified
Yes, it is.
Along with, I believe there's also 11 counts of intent, murder intent.
So they will go into those details, but that kind of comes along with first-degree murder charges usually.
steve bannon
Okay, Jessica, you hang around.
We're going to go back to the rear ground, but we want any breaking news, just let my producer know, we want to go back to you live.
Jessica Rivera, Real America's Voice, out there in Boulder, Colorado, outside the courthouse today, where the perpetrator will be arraigned on 10 counts of first-degree murder.
Let's go back to Todd Bensman.
At the border if we can get Todd, if we can get Todd shot up.
Todd, here's what I want you to explain to people.
We just had the special agent from ICE on here talking about the cartels now being literally in control on the Mexican side and quite frankly on much of the American side.
We've seen the polling.
Steve Cortez is saying the polling for amnesty, the polling to support this madness is collapsing and most importantly it's collapsing among hard-working Hispanics, In middle class Hispanics, working class Hispanics, that are really, you know, down at the border.
But this is going to spread throughout the country.
We're going to have a report, I think this evening, about Wyoming, Montana, you know, every town's a border town as they start to ship illegal aliens across the country.
I want you to go back.
You're saying that you saw people put on a bus that were going to head to New Jersey and Florida?
todd bensman
Yeah, what's happening is catch-and-release is back.
So for family units that make it over the border, Border Patrol just processes them, they get what's called a personal recognizance bond, there's no actual bond, and they're released.
And there's an NGO that is arranging for charter buses, big ones, giant, you know, you could get 130 people on one of these things, to Fill up with migrants, a lot of Haitians and Cubans and Central Americans and I went aboard one yesterday and most of them were Haitians and that particular bus was on its way to Florida first.
They were going to drop about half the load there and the other half wanted to go to New Jersey so they're going to head to New Jersey and they're just released.
steve bannon
Hang on a second, hang on a second, I just want to make sure, we're showing for our podcast and radio audience, Todd's got, well let's get that footage back up there, there's footage showing of, you're in a bus, the thing's packed, you're saying that bus is picking up people in Del Rio, Texas, where you are, you boarded the bus, took the thing, they're from Haiti and other places, and they're being shipped now to parts of Florida, and some of them want to go to New Jersey, and the attitude is they're just going to be released out in the population?
todd bensman
Yeah, that's what's happening, and it's not just that one bus.
It's all day long.
Those buses are filling up as Border Patrol brings them over here, fills them up, and not all of them are going by bus.
Quite a few of them are heading to the Del Rio Airport and buying airplane tickets to all points of the country.
They're just dispersing throughout the nation from the border.
That's actually happening.
steve bannon
Yeah, go ahead.
No, you're saying, is the government buying them airline tickets?
I mean, are they, they're being taken to the airport and bought tickets by the government?
Or they're just wanted into an airport with no passport, no identification, buying an airline ticket and going anywhere in the United States?
todd bensman
Yeah, well, the way it works is, no, the government does not appear to be buying these tickets.
The NGOs are arranging for the migrants to wire money to them if they need it, or go to the bank, or they have support networks here in the United States, friends and family, that are wiring them the money.
They have to pay for the bus tickets.
The buses are chartered, but it's not the government paying for it.
And the ones that have money, and quite a few of these folks do not appear to be impoverished at all.
They're wearing, you know, nice modern clothes, you know, chain, gold chain necklace, and, you know, everybody's got cell phones.
Uh, and quite a few of these can afford to fly to their destination from U.S.
airports, so that is definitely happening.
When we're done here, I'm heading over to the Del Rio Airport to videotape some of that and see if I can find some there.
steve bannon
The other question, are people being tested for COVID?
I mean, is there some testing facility?
Is the government like, you know, you got people wearing five masks here in Washington, right?
You can't go anywhere, everything's shut down, schools are closed.
Is there any process for like checking for COVID before you put them on a plane or before they go to an airport themselves, buy themselves a ticket and go to wherever they want to go?
todd bensman
Very recently, they did institute what looks like a COVID testing protocol.
So in the beginning, like two, three, four weeks ago and maybe a month ago, they were flooding over and nobody was testing.
But they appear to have hired a contractor at government expense.
And they are inside the processing facilities.
And I've interviewed migrants who all tell me that they did finally get COVID tested.
One of them told me that they were tested three times.
They're getting multiple tests.
On the Mexican side, they're getting some testing too.
I was in a camp a couple of days ago in Acuna and they had a separate facility, an isolation building.
So my immigrants who were getting tested positive would go inside and have to stay in these buildings over there.
There is something happening now with that.
Thank God.
steve bannon
So, Todd, is your assessment, since you just wrote the book The Secret Border Wars, about the Jihad and about terrorists coming across, is your sense that it's more under control today than you've ever seen it?
todd bensman
That the border's under more control?
Did you say?
steve bannon
No, more out of control.
todd bensman
Oh, yeah.
We're in a full-blown crisis.
Don't let the Washington Post fool you with stories about this being some seasonal annual blip.
There is nobody here on the border.
Texas Department of Public Safety, National Guard, Border Patrol agents, rank-and-file cops, everybody here knows that this is really different what's happening right now.
The local Sheriff's Department, I embedded with them yesterday and drove around.
Val Verde Sheriff's Department said that 75% of their time is now consumed with picking up migrants and getting them to Border Patrol.
They're not doing regular policing.
This is not a normal annual blip like the Washington Post outrageously reported just a couple of days ago on their front page.
That report is a lie.
I'd like to go on the record saying that.
steve bannon
Our guest is Todd Bensman.
Todd, once again, the title of the book, and how do people get access to your brilliant new book about the border?
todd bensman
Yeah, thanks for asking.
It's called America's Covert Border War, and that book is about the jihadists and the people from the Middle East who are also crossing this river, and what the United States does with it.
It's available on Amazon and anywhere that books are sold online, Barnes & Noble, if you're not interested in buying through Amazon.
unidentified
And I'm on Twitter.
steve bannon
How do people get you?
todd bensman
What's your Twitter handle?
Yeah, Benzman Todd.
And I've been live tweeting all of this all along and also at cis.org, Center for Immigration Studies.
All my work is there, too.
steve bannon
OK, let's get that Twitter up in the live feed.
OK, Todd Benzman, fabulous reporting from the Rio Grande del Rio City.
We'll return in a moment with our co-host in the War Room.
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steve bannon
Okay, we've got an update.
We're going to try to get back to Boulder in a minute, but I've got to get to my two co-hosts here.
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As you've seen our coverage on the border, And so we're going to get to the Wuhan lab.
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Before we go back to Boulder, I've got to, and I want to start with you, Natalie, you're a California kid.
This is, this is, I'm tough to shock when it comes to the radical policies of the Biden administration, but given that for the last 10 or 12 years, I've been intimately involved in the, in the border, in fact, You know, help the group that built the wall down there that they continue to go do the photo ops on the start of the cartels.
What's your assessment of the Biden administration and what we're seeing, what are we seeing here, this human tragedy of biblical proportions driven by our government?
natalie winters
Well, the Biden regime seems to quite literally be legalizing illegal immigration.
You see that in a de facto sense when Biden stands up there during the campaign season saying that, you know, America's borders are open.
We will welcome you with open arms.
And now you're kind of seeing it in the du jour sense, when you see them totally stripping ICE agents and CBP officials of their rights, putting these illegal immigrants who've breached American sovereignty on buses, on airplanes, to spread across the entire country while a pandemic is raging, while COVID-19 is, you know, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.
But it doesn't come as a surprise to me.
As you said, I'm from California.
I've seen firsthand how these politicians, of which Biden is the epitome, these establishment politicians who live behind their walls.
They live in these, you know, gated neighborhoods where they don't have to deal with the reality of what illegal immigration brings.
But I think it goes back to something, and I'm inclined to go to a National Pulse article we had about a speech Joe Biden gave in 2014, where he said there's, quote, nothing special about being an American.
He was speaking at Harvard.
And that's exactly what you're seeing happening on this border.
To Joe Biden, there's nothing special about being an American.
He says there's no common culture.
There's no shared values.
Those are direct quotes from him in this speech that he gave at Harvard University.
And it's with that ideology that you see an open border that anyone, whatever values they hold, whatever cultures they come from, they're allowed to come here and they're treated like royalty.
They're given first class or probably first class tickets.
Who knows?
It's absolutely reprehensible, made even more so By the fact that we're in a pandemic.
And I'd also say don't sleep on the fact that he's doing the similar thing to the legal immigration process too.
You've seen, I think it was a Pew study that just came out there, effectively doubling the refugee cap for admissions this year in 2022 amidst a pandemic.
How you reconcile that policy decision I don't quite know.
Even House Democrats are doing the same thing.
They introduced a bill about a month ago that would prevent, going forward, any president, Republican, Democrat, you name it, would not be legally allowed to decrease the cap for refugee admissions to a number below 125,000 people, 125,000 refugees.
125,000 people, 125,000 refugees, and that bill has over 50 sponsors from House Democrats.
steve bannon
And by the way, Marjorie Taylor Greene's comprehensive bill for border security, I think, has a handful of Republicans.
The gutlessness of the Republican establishment, the gutlessness of the Republican Party in this is stunning.
Before I go to Dave Ramaswamy, just, Natalie, one more question.
Is your generation, we've seen the polling collapsing, right?
Does your generation, you think, understand what's going on here, the game that's being played, and how it's going to essentially destroy opportunities for them in the future?
natalie winters
I think the polling is still out on that, but one thing I will say, it was very interesting going through the college admissions process.
And for a lot of people my age, that was kind of a big quote-unquote red pill.
And what's so interesting is that a lot of these universities within these admissions processes, They prioritize what are called first-generation students, and nine times out of ten, those are people who, whether they're DACA recipients, children of illegal immigrants, and I know for my friends and at my school, that was something that seemed kind of hard to imagine and hard to reconcile, that an individual would be prioritized uh... in an academic application process because their parents quite literally broke the law
uh... so so yeah i do think it is cutting through and also to when you know when you're applying for jobs uh... which is obviously something for people my age it's a it's a important part of life when you see people getting prioritized because their docker recipients are because there are some special category that can also kind of served to red So just like working class Hispanics get it.
steve bannon
They want border security.
They want the rising incomes.
They want the lower unemployment.
They understand that this flooding is what the Chamber of Commerce and the corporatists want to really compete for jobs.
You're saying even in the Millennials and Generation Z, people are finally waking up to the fact that, hey, this is not for my benefit.
This is not the right thing to do.
We've got to get control of our sovereignty.
natalie winters
To some extent.
I think, unfortunately, a lot of people in my generation have still been kind of brainwashed to this diversity is our strength mentality.
But I think when it comes to, you know, either you get into a college or you don't, you get the job or you don't, you get the scholarship or you don't, right?
When the UC school system in California is giving out subsidized education to illegal immigrants as thousands of American students can't afford to put themselves through college or taking loans, that can kind of act as a Dave Ramaswamy, thoughts, ideas, concepts about what we've seen here for the last couple weeks and now getting worse and worse every day?
dave ramaswamy
Steve, I think the ideological battle in America is between what I call office space and field space, which is, you know, there's a movie Office Space, it's pretty hilarious, and people, I can't get enough of it.
And, but the concept is, you know, people who are making these decisions comfortably cocooned in an office, Don't suffer the downside risk to their decisions.
And so the people on the front line, like Agent Avila, or the other working class Hispanics, people living on the border, they bear the brunt of these decisions.
And, you know, and I would also like to make the point, I think we have to start looking past the left and the right, because the stuff which is going on in America now, you know, by the Biden administration, which would be considered in US parlance, the left was mimicked by Angela Merkel in Germany a few years ago, who's considered a right politician in Germany.
So she let in, you know, 2 million.
steve bannon
This is 2015.
dave ramaswamy
We talked about this.
steve bannon
2015.
Yeah.
This is a Biden crisis.
Absolutely.
You're saying you think this is analogous.
dave ramaswamy
Absolutely analogous.
And the especially in the wake of the Boulder shooting, and I want to express my condolences to the family members.
It's disastrous.
So this is what happened in this, you know what I call it.
They wanted to do good, but they let in so many refugees.
And you had some ISIS sympathizers, other criminal elements who also were let in.
And now what you've seen in the last few years in France, in Germany, in Italy, in small towns, which were historically considered safe, You've had attacks on women, you've had attacks on children, you've had attacks on senior citizens.
So the people comfortably ensconced in, say, Paris or Berlin or Washington, don't bear the downside risk of their decisions.
And this lack of security, lack of safety, I mean, this is like Maslow's hierarchy, bottom of the hierarchy.
I mean, we all are entitled to physical safety.
But in our case, you know, communities all across America will bear the brunt of this.
steve bannon
I want to make sure, one of the things in the War Room is trying to get a mental map so you guys have a mental map for your own agency.
One of the things we do, we talk to Dave and Natalie all the time, is nomenclature, process, critical path, the statics and dynamics of how things move.
The 2015 analogy is something we've been working on to try to make sure people understand the framework.
The other is what Dave just brought up, and Peter Navarro and I have been talking about this.
Peter is going to be on the show tonight, Dr. Navarro from Harvard.
It's going to be on the show tonight.
This goes back to what you described, the office space or the field space, is this concept James Q. Wilson came up with.
And James Q. Wilson is the Harvard professor who came up with the broken windows.
He was a criminologist but also dealt with urban areas and the economics of urban areas and one of the great thinkers of the 20th century.
He had this concept of broken windows which became really revolutionized policing and He also had another concept of concentrated benefits and diffused costs.
This is the situation we're having here today.
Even though the polling is collapsing, it hasn't kicked into people about what the real cost of this is.
And this is why we're going to be really following this situation and our concept of every town is a border town.
Remember, before they had this called the New Generation Cartel, which is the most vicious they've ever had.
It's a younger generation.
It's Millennials and Gen Z. These people fully understand the Internet.
They've industrialized this process.
They're also nihilists.
They absolutely care less about human life, including their own lives.
So they fear nothing, and that's been a whole thing that's changed the dynamic.
But ten years ago, El Chapo, or six years ago, I think, El Chapo, who was a cartel member in the mountains of northern Mexico, was named public enemy number one by the Chicago Crime Commission.
The first time they designated something since Al Capone.
The reason is coming up I-35, which was Agent Avila's footage from yesterday.
It was on I-35, right south of San Antonio, Texas.
A Mack truck pulls to the side, the trailer cab, boom!
You get the trailer, it opens up.
50 guys flee into the, 50, you know, military-age males, right, just flee right into the community with no COVID test, right?
And what Benson put up is that, hey, they're coming in now, they're putting them on a bus to Florida, but some of them want to go to New Jersey.
Right?
On that bus is nobody from the U.S.
government.
The bus is taken off, right, and heading for part south.
So this is, and this is not, we are not demonizing the people coming up from Central America.
We fully, we actually say they're actually smart and logical and rational.
The incentives are from your government.
This is a policy of what Dave Ramaswamy is talking about, the managerial class here in Washington DC, correct?
I mean this is all driven by decision makers of this left, the capitalists, everybody from here.
dave ramaswamy
And also I think it's not just Washington Steve, it's probably even upstream from that.
It's like this, you know these Hollywood donors, Silicon Valley donors, I mean they shed crocodile tears for refugees or people around the world, but many of them in 20 or 40 bedroom mansions never accommodate 15 or 20 refugees in their spare rooms.
So they want people in rural communities in America to bear the brunt I mean, I mean, we're all caring and compassionate.
We want to help people.
But, you know, when our own citizens are suffering, I mean, I think American citizens are rightly concerned.
And remember, this whole year of the pandemic and extended lockdowns, American citizens have made huge sacrifices in their mobility, in their earning potential.
steve bannon
Do you get a sense, and you're looking at the polling, that working class Hispanics, middle class Hispanics now get the joke, right?
And this is showing that this kind of shift to more Trump agenda.
natalie winters
I think they're getting it because you're obviously talking about the kind of large-scale organized crime that you see with the cartels, but at the National Pulse we've been chronicling how it seems every single day there's two, three, four, five press releases coming out of Customs and Border Protection offices detailing how convicted pedophiles, convicted rapists, convicted sex offenders, even people on the FBI terrorist watch list are also present on the border there and trying to enter.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
When we return, we've got Dave Ramaswamy, the War Room's strategic commentator on geopolitics, finance, global capital.
Also, Natalie Winters, the investigative reporter for the National Pulse.
We can now have her in the War Room, because you're now 20 years old, right?
unidentified
Yes!
steve bannon
So glad.
Still in college, though, but I think the top investigative reporter in town.
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I want to turn now to Natalie Winters, Raheem Kassam, Dave Ramaswamy is going to join us back in the next hour.
Raheem, you were hugging up on that king-sized pillow a little too much this morning?
raheem kassam
Oh yeah, I mean, you know, I happen to believe that we should have them in the studio.
steve bannon
The slippers, you want the slippers, the pillows.
unidentified
You could take a little power nap between segments.
raheem kassam
You might be less grumpy.
steve bannon
Unlikely.
I want to go to you.
You started the 65 day, you know, the JoAnon.
Walk us through, you've seen it today.
They teased what's going to happen in playbook, as they always do.
They had the great Annie Carney from the New York Times went on the record.
Walk us through what's this fiasco going to be today?
raheem kassam
I remember the great Annie Carney from following us around Europe and asking all the tough questions.
There are fewer tough questions for Joe Biden, it seems, today.
Politico's Playbook comes out where Annie Carney says, oh, you know, he'll be asked about immigration and the border, how he feels about unity when Republicans are set on depriving him of any success.
steve bannon
Stop.
Give me that one again.
That's a New York Times for Annie.
Love you girl, but come on.
Give me that question again.
raheem kassam
Can you imagine?
You've got the President of the United States on stage for the first time in 65 days, and Annie Carney of the New York Times, and no offense, Annie Carney, nice girl, right?
steve bannon
By the way, she and Maggie Haberman are still the lead White House reporters, right?
With Peter Baker, she's one of the top three.
raheem kassam
So the ferocious Annie Carney stands in front of you and goes, Mr. President, how do you feel about unity when Republicans are set on depriving you any success?
steve bannon
Wow.
Annie.
raheem kassam
It's pretty lame.
steve bannon
What else they got there?
They also had the guy from CNN, right?
He was quoted.
Another t-ball question?
raheem kassam
Yeah, so they're all basically t-ball questions and the reason is this.
Most of these reporters will not be using this exercise today as a means by which to get answers for the American public.
Most of the reporters today will be using the exercise to try and secure themselves one-on-one interviews at a later point.
steve bannon
I'm a safe pair of hands.
raheem kassam
Exactly.
You want to sit down with me, Mr. President.
You know what kind of questions I ask.
You know I'm trustworthy.
I mean, this all goes back to Mike McCormick, and he did this piece for us recently about the Biden boardwalk bash that he used to host at the Naval Observatory, the Vice President's residence that the Vice President apparently no longer uses.
Now living at Blair House, so she can walk across the road with the leash in the morning.
Look, I've only got a few minutes, I've got to cram everything in, okay?
unidentified
You're better this way, I've noticed.
raheem kassam
So you have a situation this afternoon where these reporters will be trying to use this to buy themselves further interviews in the future, which all but guarantees you won't get any tough questions.
But interestingly, I was reading that in the Hill's opinion section this morning, Joe Contra actually does have some really good questions that reporters should go and study.
He's got 10 questions, should go and study.
I will just read a couple of these to you really quickly.
Number one, when the governors in Texas and Mississippi lifted mask mandates, you described that as neanderthal thinking, yet you're now allowing COVID positive migrants by the hundreds into general U.S.
population without quarantine.
Isn't that the very definition of a super spreader event?
Mr. President, you signed an executive order on your first day in office halting the completion of the Keystone XL pipeline, resulting in thousands of jobs being lost amidst a pandemic.
Your climate czar John Kerry says these workers could construct solar panels instead.
What's your plan to restore those jobs?
You know, there are all sorts of things that he can and should be asked, not least down to the very details that we're hearing today about his son, again, Hunter Biden, losing his gun behind a grocery store Not losing it.
steve bannon
The woman, his brother's widow, I think, took the gun and threw it in the back of a high school and some sort of thing.
Took it from him for reasons that are not described.
raheem kassam
Maybe we should circle back with Jen Psaki and ask her about the Hunter Biden report that she denied even hearing of yesterday.
The $3.5 million that came from the Russian mayor's wife.
steve bannon
Do you think that was a lie?
raheem kassam
That she didn't know about it?
steve bannon
Never heard of it.
raheem kassam
I don't think it was a lie.
That's the worst thing about it.
I don't think she's across the news.
I don't think she knows who she's representing.
I don't think she thinks she has to bother.
Jen Psaki, I was listening to the press conference yesterday, Jen Psaki's that girl, we all know these types, she's that girl that's- A girl or a woman?
Whatever.
Whatever she likes.
You know, they, them, Z, whatever.
But she's that person who sits at a table at dinner with you and repeats the joke four times that nobody laughs at, and then the fourth time everybody goes, We got it.
We got it.
You hear her in the press conferences.
She tries to play footsie with these reporters.
Nobody's laughing in the room.
They all feel just extraordinarily sorry for her because she's not a particularly bright individual.
She's not quick off the draw.
She's not quick off the mark.
She's not well prepped.
You look at her.
I think her staff are doing her a great disservice as well, by the way.
Her binder is not well prepped.
steve bannon
She's not well briefed.
raheem kassam
And so the answer to your question is, I don't think she had ever heard of that story.
steve bannon
Real quickly, we're going to have a Wuhan lab section next with Dr. Li Min Yan and Natalie Winters and Dave.
The question, we don't know if it was even on the agenda and discussed.
How much do you think he's going to get braced up about the disastrous start with China?
raheem kassam
Well, what I would really like to hear are questions about Peter Daszak.
Do you think Peter Daszak should be the lead Covid investigator for the World Health Organization that you, Mr Biden, just pledged more American taxpayer money to?
Because Peter Daszak has, as Natalie Winters is going to tell you, has a litany of Chinese Communist Party reports that he's worked on.
They're funded by the Chinese Communist Party.
I mean, he's basically bought and paid for.
And yes, of course, he needs to be asked about the summit, the humiliation, from the purple hair right down to the gory detail of policy.
We should be hearing all of it.
The truth is, however, Steve, we'll be asked, Mr Biden, how do you feel that the Republicans have been mean to you for the last 65 days?
steve bannon
Annie Carney, when you put your name on one of those quotes, you've got to bring the heat!
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to start the second hour.
We've got some really special guests in the next hour and some really special things we're going to go through.
One is a detailed analysis of what Rahim teed up.
Exactly what went on in Wuhan.
Why are American taxpayers paying for it?
Why are you paying for your own destruction?
Question never gets asked.
It is going to get asked next in the War Room.
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