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Episode 798 – God’s Timing … Mike Lindell on His Political Future, Fake News, and FraudEpisode 798 – God’s Timing … Mike Lindell on His Political Future, Fake News, and Fraud
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steve bannon
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Thank you for having me.
steve bannon
Okay, you're in the war room.
It is Monday, the 15th of March.
The year of our Lord, 2021.
What is that date, Rahim Kassam?
raheem kassam
That would be the Ides of March.
steve bannon
And what happened there?
raheem kassam
That would be the betrayal of Caesar.
steve bannon
The assassination of the populist, right?
By the Senate, by the reactionaries in the Roman Senate.
raheem kassam
And he was warned by the soothsayer.
steve bannon
By the soothsayer.
We're going to get to all that in the second hour.
We're going to have a special little presentation about the Ides of March, Julius Caesar, and what happens to populists who get out of line.
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By the way, for the video audience, I don't know what just happened, but the chair went down about... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta fix that, fix that, fix that.
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She's not actually tidy.
steve bannon
By the way, so I want to thank all the guys in Denver.
There's like nine feet of snow in Denver.
The Real America's Voice crew, Forced their way in there today, through the snow, through the blizzard, to get the show up and running.
I want to thank the entire team out there for doing this.
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We've got a very special guest in the first hour, Raheem Kassam.
raheem kassam
And just very quickly, I want to make sure, two very quick things.
Number one, if you're a podcast audience member, make sure you're subscribing, leaving comments, leaving reviews and sharing that with other people.
And then secondly, I wanted to bring this breaking news that we've got up on the on the site right now on the National Pulse, which is that Xi Jinping has ordered China's military and armed police force to get combat ready and even professors at Tsinghua University are saying that Xi is likely planning to make a move to annex Taiwan at the moment. And this is a throwdown because we're going to have the meeting in Alaska. We're going to talk about that in the
steve bannon
second hour, about this very weak op-ed that was in the... it was like a bad middle school essay, right, by Tony Blinken and General Austin over there at the Pentagon.
Just pathetic.
Very embarrassing.
raheem kassam
Diplomacy via the Washington Post is always the worst way to go.
steve bannon
Absolutely terrible, but that was a warning shot put out there.
By the way, two special shows on Friday.
We had Dennis Prager for an hour, right?
Everybody should go back and look at that and share that.
And then everybody on Saturday, we did a two-hour The Chinese Communist Party, the CCP's war plan with Frank Gaffney.
We had Gordon Chang, Stephen Mosher.
It was an incredible two hours.
I think we're turning people.
Bill Maher is now woke.
He sounds like he's in the war room, right, on his China diatribe.
Not just wokeness, but also anti-CCP.
We're going to play that in the second hour.
We'll get all into that.
I want to go now to Mike Lindell, our guest from MyPillow, the CEO of MyPillow.
Mike, do we have Mike?
I know we've got a tough time hooking up everybody given the snowstorm.
mike lindell
I'm here.
steve bannon
Mike, how are you doing, sir?
I'm doing great.
I want to start off, and I don't know if we've got it in Denver yet, but the Minneapolis Star Tribune is the paper of record for the state of Minnesota.
Walk us through, there was an article you told me they've been working on for, I guess, weeks and weeks and weeks, not months.
It was going to be like an 8,000 word profile of you and the company.
That came out over the weekend.
I don't want to prejudice people.
I want you to give your opinion.
What do you think of this piece?
mike lindell
Well, I think now the Minneapolis Star and Tribune has just took the number one spot of the worst paper in the United States.
For doing a piece that we spent so much time on, I let him go to my plant, talk to employees.
I talked to him for hours on end.
And, uh, they flew in a photographer, a photographer wasted his time for three hours because they ended up just taking a picture of me on a phone.
Uh, it was a total, probably one of the worst pieces I've ever seen.
Uh, because at least I know where, you know, media that's going to do a hit job on me comes from, but this is, they actually read my book.
They knew who I was and they, they left stuff out.
They, they lied.
And, uh, it was just, uh, It was very sad.
Of all the pieces that this year, that bothered me the most.
I'd rather, I mean, the New York Times and Washington Post writes better stuff.
steve bannon
I didn't know they so feared.
The subtext is that the specter of Mike Lindell running for governor is what's terrorized these people.
I mean, they're absolutely terrorized.
You got the Republican, they got, you know, Republican establishment people and everybody on the left.
But I want to go back through because we love backing up with facts here.
And I know you're a little hot about this.
I think reasonable people can disagree.
For a hit piece.
Honest, dude, I do this for a living.
For a hit piece.
I don't think they laid a glove on you.
I just don't think it came off that bad.
However, I know you worked up about all the time you spent with these people and access you gave to them.
Let's talk about the process first.
When they approached you, how much time and access did you give them to talk to your employees and talk to you and to talk to board members, etc.?
How long was the process?
How much access did you give them?
mike lindell
Oh, it took over a month and it was two journalists.
both equally bad, that they, I would spend hours with them.
And we would go over different things.
And I gave them as much access as they wanted to talk to any employees, anytime, just let me know.
I even gave them, you know, they spent time this last weekend.
The last part was Alan Dershowitz.
They wasted his time.
Didn't even put that in the piece.
I just it's sickening to me because it was such a waste of time.
It's like if you're going to do it, if you're going to do a hit job on me, just do it yourself.
Don't even bother.
Call me.
Dig up stuff.
All the stuff they put in there.
You gave him access to Alan Dershowitz.
Why is Alan Dershowitz important here?
What did they ask him?
What did he tell him?
And why didn't they put it in?
steve bannon
We're gonna go through it. Okay, let's hang on. You gave him access to Alan Dershowitz. Why is Alan Dershowitz important here? What did they ask him? What did he tell him? And why didn't they put it in? Why does Dershowitz have any place in this story? Well, it's big announcement this I've got a team of lawyers.
mike lindell
We're going after Dominion and we're going after for the first free speech.
Alan Dershowitz told me that this will be one of the biggest cases, if not the biggest case in history, for free speech for the First Amendment.
And they were able, they were going to be able to put it in their paper and he probably, you know, explained to her why this case is so important, what they've done with cancel culture, suppress their speech, use lawsuits just to scare news outlets.
To not let people on to talk about their opinions or there or be able to speak out.
So I thought it was very hard.
steve bannon
But but but hang on, hang on, hang on.
You gave him access to Alan Dershowitz in the first interview he's doing as heading up your team and what Alan Dershowitz, a revered guy in the First Amendment, he's saying he believes this is one of the most important First Amendment cases in the history of the country.
You give them access to that.
You gave that paper access.
They did an interview and you're saying they didn't print a word of what Alan Dershowitz told him.
mike lindell
No, not one word.
So it would have justified everything I'm out there doing, or at least, you know, what's going on out there, what they're doing to people like myself and other people in this country.
And the Minneapolis Star and Tribune did not even bother.
They had the blessing to be the first one to talk to him.
And he's not leading the team.
He's part of the team.
I'm just for that part.
I don't want people to know that.
But he's one of a team of lawyers.
It was a great blessing to have him on.
I called him.
I got permission.
I said, would you talk to this gal?
She's writing an article about me.
They've been working on it for a month, and then they don't even use him.
How disrespectful.
Shameful, that paper.
Shameful, those two reporters.
steve bannon
Okay, let's go to that.
You said there's a bunch of, I want to go to the misrepresentations or lies first in the paper itself.
So I want you to specifically direct it.
Where did they, factually, where did they miss?
What are the misrepresentations that you're so worked up about and what are the lies that they tell in this?
Before we get to the omissions, what are the misrepresentations of fact?
mike lindell
Well, it's kind of a, it's combinations of omissions and lies.
I'll give an example.
They bring up domestic domestic assaults involved in well, one of them I was in a jail so I couldn't have committed it and if they looked it up that would have been a pretty good story.
There's no I have never I have not been I have any domestic assault of my record.
They put that on there.
There was it's in my book.
They basically grabbed stuff from my book.
One of them was 700 employees.
I have over 2,500 employees.
They just tried to make me look like a failure throughout this article.
steve bannon
But hang on.
Normally, when journalists of a paper that's a paper of record for a state, or a paper that's prominent throughout the country where this paper is, normally the process, and Raheem could be wrong, they come back and say, hey, we want a fact check.
These are the facts that are going in.
We want a fact check.
Did they, in the process, Did they contact your lawyers?
Did they contact your communications department?
Did they come back to you?
Did they come back on these things you say are omissions are factually incorrect?
Did they come back and basically fact check before the article went out?
mike lindell
No, not one thing.
And that's the disturbing part.
I spent all that time with them.
Then I gave them access to all the employees.
And what they did is they talked to all the employees.
And they didn't come back to me and say, Hey, is this number right?
We've heard this from one, that one employee gave him a number of just how many employees are in that building.
And, and it's just, it's just shameful.
They, and then they talked to another employee, like, how many do you have for my store?
I mean, it was just, they never came back once and said, Hey, Mike, is this right?
We have conflicting, we have conflicting numbers here, Mike.
steve bannon
Okay, fine.
They did not come back, which I think that's not the way it should be done.
But I want to go back specifically to the number of employees, because they imply, I think that you're lying about the number of employees.
They say 700.
They cite two plants.
How many employees or contractors, or however you define it, work for MyPillow?
mike lindell
Over 2,500.
We have.
That's across many states.
It's not all in Minnesota.
That's across many states.
We probably have 1,500 in Minnesota.
steve bannon
Why did they say there were 700?
I realize I said in two plants, but they implied that.
The implication, if you read the article, was that Lindell's overblowing the number of employees.
The company's not that big.
Why'd they say 700?
mike lindell
Well, the same reason they said how much we gross in our gross sales, which was grossly understated.
They want to make me look like I'm saying numbers, embellishing numbers, or that I'm the liar.
And that was their whole piece was like, Mike says this, Mike says this, Mike says this.
I think it's twofold.
They don't, they want to discredit me for running for governor.
And then they also want to discredit me out there for the main hit that's going on.
So I don't, you know, Mike's a conspiracy theorist talking about election fraud with the machines.
You know, that's the only thing I can think of because This is disturbing.
It was every part of it.
Even one of my employees stated that they, I have all these employees that have gotten help, found the Lord, and they're a company of second chances.
Well, they interviewed one guy, and when they interviewed him, they didn't say that he had been set free, that I had helped him or got these guys help.
All it said was, yeah, I used to steal cars, and now I have one in the parking lot, I got a little money in the bank, and it's not stolen.
Boy, good job, Star and Tribune.
I mean, way to minimize stuff.
And then they said, here's another example.
They said, um, we, um, we bring, we don't bring in corporate people because corporate people, they don't, they don't fit our, our culture as well.
And And I said, I sense that they really don't know what they're doing when you drop them into our entrepreneurial family atmosphere.
Instead, she flipped it and said, I don't know what I'm doing.
We don't get corporate people because I don't know what I'm doing.
steve bannon
Hang on one second.
Hang on one second.
We're gonna take a short commercial break.
By the way, in Mike Lindell's road to Damascus for salvation through God and through Jesus Christ, Only Mike Lindell, before that, could have these shoes.
I couldn't have had the domestic violence because I was in jail at the time.
raheem kassam
Right?
steve bannon
I was in jail at the time.
raheem kassam
The complaints line, by the way, is opinion at StarTribune.com.
Opinion at StarTribune.com.
steve bannon
Opinion at StarTribune.com.
We're getting all that Mike Lindell return in the War Room.
Just a second.
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steve bannon
OK, it's only the War Room can do.
We're going to continue our intense coverage of the Chinese Communist Party, really the existential threat to the United States and all mankind, including the Chinese people.
This afternoon, we're going to have Josh Rogin, his amazing new book, Chaos Under Heaven, about his reporting, probably the best sourced reporter in this city.
On China, on the CCP, and he takes his analysis of the Trump administration.
MAGA is going to like some of it, not like other parts of it, but it's something you definitely have to have to hear because a very interesting story and a very interesting book.
We're joined by, and by the way, Rahim, great job.
National Pulse, only place out there that broke this scoop.
You guys are all over the CCP.
As Tony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, the Secretary of State, And the National Security Advisor are flying to Alaska midweek for kowtowing to the CCP, right?
Henchmen of this transnational criminal organization.
Stephen Mosher called it out the other day, said the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind and its principal victim has been Lao Bajing, the Chinese people.
Real quickly, this scoop that you found over the weekend.
raheem kassam
Yeah, and I'll say that also Radio Free Asia have covered this, but really a complete radio silence from the rest of the media on this.
The story is that Xi Jinping has effectively told the PLA to step up preparations for war, said that they were getting combat ready over 2020, said, quote, the entire army needs to strengthen its performance so as to do a good job of ensuring a good start to the 14th five-year plan.
Let me tell Biden and the crowd over there what's not going to work.
steve bannon
This thing with this conference call on Zoom with the Quad.
We've got the Quad.
We've got Australia and India and Japan.
Hey, that's nice.
But that's not going to work.
Full-on confrontation to tell them, under no circumstances, you make a move on Taiwan and that's it.
unidentified
Okay?
steve bannon
We've been warning for years about information warfare and economic warfare eventually leading to kinetic war if you show weakness.
You didn't see Xi throwing this down under Donald J. Trump, okay?
They knew exactly what was going to happen.
And you can have all the Zoom calls you want with all these guys there, and yes, we definitely, alliances are important, and this alliance is very important.
But the Chinese are not sitting there.
They're not worried about Australia.
They're not worried about India.
They're not worried about Japan.
They're worried about the United States of America.
You've got to take leadership, not the feckless, hapless leadership you've shown today because you're totally compromised by the Chinese Communist Party and your entire administration is totally compromised.
I want to turn now back to Mike Lindell.
Raheem, you read this with a jaundiced eye when we got this piece over the weekend in the Minneapolis Star and Tribune.
What's your quick assessment?
You know, they came after it for a hit piece.
He gave them access.
They didn't come back and fact check.
You know, according to Lindell, they never came back and did the basic journalism one-on-one to check these facts.
As a hit piece on a scale from 1 to 10, 10 being there's blood on the wall, 1 being you use it in his governorship race.
Where does it stand?
raheem kassam
There's an old phrase in British politics and I'll use it here.
It's like being mauled gently by a dead sheep.
This is not the hit piece they thought it was.
steve bannon
You Brits are bizarre.
raheem kassam
And it may well be because one of the authors I noticed of this piece is a food blogger rather than an actual investigative reporter or political writer.
They declare that at the bottom of the article, by the way.
So Mike, I wouldn't feel too badly about this.
If anything, I understand that there are inaccuracies in here.
You deal with the media going in knowing that they will try and- And the frustrations, you give them total access, you turn Dershowitz over to them, he makes a historic statement they don't want you But really what this does is this elevates Mike Lindell massively and I think we should take this to the bank.
steve bannon
So Mike, I want to go back to some technical issues here.
They say the company's revenue is $250 million.
You say that that's a misrepresentation.
It is a private company.
I don't need you to give us the number, but is that number factually correct, and where did they get it, and did they come back and had the common decency to say, hey, we're going to print here your revenues, it's $250 million.
mike lindell
Right.
No, it's very low, and they got it from, it said in the article, from an executive.
we talked yesterday, there's only a few of us executives who would have said that, nobody.
And that's just a few of the things.
One of the things in there that bothered me about this piece was it's all focused like on integrity.
And even they interviewed one of my longest friends that's in there that goes back to when my pillow started.
And he's actually a president of one of the divisions on the road and he said in there, it says, they said, oh, he's I'm sure they interviewed him for probably two, three hours.
And all they pulled out of there was, yeah, Mike's still addicted.
He just, now he's just going after this election fraud.
You know, I mean, are you kidding me?
Yeah, Mike's addicted.
He traded his addiction for crack cocaine to go after Dominion machines.
I mean, give me a break here.
I'll tell you what, I am persistent, I'll give them that, and I'm not giving up ever.
But to compare that with an addiction, I don't know how they twisted that.
And then to discredit my employees as far as how hard they've worked, and all the addicts that have been there, the former addicts that have gotten help.
And they learned about what we do at MyPillow.
I'll give an example of how we're different than other companies.
If you have a death in your family or anyone that's close to you for that matter, I don't care if it's a once-removed neighbor, we're not here to judge how long you need to grieve.
If you go to that funeral, you do whatever you have to do, we pay you while you're gone.
I don't care if you're out for a month.
I don't care how long it is, you're paid so you can come back.
And people appreciate that.
Same way if you're hurt, if you have a problem that's life-threatening, you can go to a hospital, you can do whatever you want, and we pay you while you're gone until you're able to come back, and we pray you get okay.
And then the other thing too, if you're an addict that needs help, if you have any addiction, we pay for your treatment, and we pay you while you're in there.
raheem kassam
Mike, do you have any job vacancies?
Because last time I broke my leg, Steve just sent me one of those little wheelie things to give a dog.
steve bannon
But this is where, hold on, but this is where, Mike, I want to push back.
They had a paragraph in there that I told you, I thought was the heart of the story, where they talk about your employees and people that have had Failures in their life.
People have had addictions, and you hire those.
It is a company of second chances, and I think that that comes through in the story.
They got a couple of paragraphs in the middle where they're talking about, hey, you don't have to be number one in grade school and high school to work at MyPillow.
Mike Lindell is a guy that knows about failure.
Multiple bankruptcies, you know, in jail, crack cocaine addict.
overall, you know, guy that before he found the Lord was just drifting, but, but, you know, you, you, you turned around and you've hired, you've built a company that's clearly an incredibly successful company with people looking for second chances.
raheem kassam
But I think also just to add to that Mike, real quick.
But they leave that part out.
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Go ahead.
mike lindell
They leave that part out of how they got saved, how they found the Lord and got out.
You know, they leave that part out that they got help.
They, you know, that we got them help or that they got help.
And then we took them on and gave them second chances.
What they're talking about, it's almost like, wow, you can be an addict and you can go work at my pillow.
And, and the one guy says, yeah, I don't have a stolen car out in the parking lot anymore.
And so, you know, I paid for it and I got a little money.
I got a little money in the bank.
You know, at least say the part that they got help and I was set free, you know?
That's just an omission above me.
steve bannon
So hold on.
Captain Ben has a question about the business behavior for that.
What I want to do is put the article in the livestream.
I want MAGA Nation here, I want the War Room Posse to read the article.
And I want you to pine on it.
Do you think, it's obviously a hit piece, but do you think it actually shows these guys in negative light?
Or I think it actually, it's a failed hit piece that comes through.
We want your comments.
Also, put the number, if the audience has issues with this, we want you to call, if you so think you have issues, and you've heard Mike Lindell.
Be polite.
raheem kassam
Be polite, but call the Minneapolis Star Tribune's number, and weigh in with your Mike, I would lean into what you say, you know, they portray you as obsessed with this, you know, your obsession, your addiction has gone from crack to voter fraud, right?
I would lean into it, change the name of the book, issue a second edition of the book, right?
What are the odds?
unidentified
From crack addict to crack team, right?
raheem kassam
My investigations into voter fraud.
unidentified
Just put a new Ford on the book, we'll be right back out.
maureen bannon
So Mike, I had a question.
I know in the article they talk about pulling the product from multiple stores.
The question, what impact does that have on the business, pulling the product from shelves?
And what is the way ahead for MyPillow?
mike lindell
Well, you know, there's been, it's twofold.
One is, I do know that over the next year, there's 60, it could be anywhere from 50 to 65 million that was lost in box store and retailers.
That's a given.
It's closer to the higher number.
But what I don't know is that changes the footprint and we're very good at reacting and making up for that.
So far, what's made it up is people out there buying direct rather than going to the box store.
It wasn't their customers that said they weren't going to buy the product.
It was all fake bots and trolls.
They're the ones that are the losers, where it's going to be the people that went there to get the MyPillow product.
I believe, and so far, you know, people are just buying direct.
Now, whether that holds or not, and plus, we've got a lot of things coming that are going to change everything.
So, it's kind of like one of these things where, you know, like back when I had to sell my bars, I was devastated at the time.
But I look back now, and it was such an amazing thing that happened to get to where I'm at now.
I'm gonna look back on this, and I know God's got his hand in all, but I'm gonna look back and say, wow, good thing I don't have those retailers and rely on those retailers anymore, because that's what's gonna happen.
And so far, that's what's happening.
steve bannon
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Okay.
Mike, when we come back, I've got two questions the audience wants to have answered.
Number one, the whole article in the Minneapolis paper, they fear the specter of Mike Lindell running for governor of Minnesota, right, as a MAGA candidate.
And I'll tell you what.
Well, hold it with that.
We want to also talk about My Company.
They make some disparaging remarks about your other venture, My Company.
When we return, in The War Room.
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steve bannon
Okay, we've got one of the great patriots in this country, Mike Lindell, as our guest, but with more breaking news, Raheem Kassam.
raheem kassam
It's too good, it's too good.
I'm going to read the headline first.
Meghan is an American she does not understand.
Vicar says Church of England told him that Meghan and Harry's garden wedding was no more than a private conversation with the Archbishop of Canterbury.
So Meghan Markle had claimed that they had been married in secret three days in advance of their official wedding.
Now we're getting news that this was a private conversation that the three of them had.
steve bannon
The vicar's trying to give her air cover.
I said at the time, on this show the next morning, I didn't care about the rest of it, but because now she bought the institution of the Church of England, she is a stone cold liar.
And Piers Morgan is a stone-cold liar.
She looked into the camera and said she was married three days beforehand in the backyard.
I said, that didn't happen.
The Church of England would have never had the sham with two billion people or a billion people watching it live a couple days later.
She's a stone-cold liar, and that proves she's a stone-cold liar.
I don't know about the rest of the stuff, but on that one, when I saw it, I said, that did not happen.
Okay, now they're saying, oh, it's a conversation.
A man had a chat about their wedding, as you normally do.
Before nuptials, right?
You come in and you talk to the bride and groom, particularly who was going to have the ceremony?
maureen bannon
No, I just want to make it clear.
I said on the show that day that she was a pathological liar.
raheem kassam
Well, we all know she's a pathological liar.
maureen bannon
But I do have to give credit to Steve.
raheem kassam
He honed in on this really weird thing about the garden wedding.
When all of us were talking about all the other parts of that interview, Steve did hone in on the garden wedding and said, that's the tell.
And sure enough, now we know there was no garden wedding.
steve bannon
It's a stone cold lie.
And by the way, it's an important lie.
I mean, it's because she's attacking an institution.
She's attacking an institution to make the whole thing that a couple days later have been a sham.
And they didn't tell anybody.
The Archbishop of Canterbury didn't say anything.
He's the ecclesiastic head of the Church of England.
By the way, the Queen is the head of the Church of England, right?
maureen bannon
This lie discredits anything and everything else she said in that interview.
steve bannon
Oh, you're going Piers Morgan on us.
OK.
And now she wants to be president.
That's OK.
I'm fine.
Hey, listen, throw your hat in the ring and let it rip.
It'll be interesting.
But now she can be criticized for her political opinions, right?
If you're a partisan and don't agree with it.
She'll disagree with Trump and the MAGA group.
raheem kassam
If the ticket is Marco Ocasio-Cortez, Stephen K. Bannon will be in favor of it.
steve bannon
I'm not a Markle fan, I'm not a Markle fan, I'm still an AOC fan.
Because he's a fighter.
Okay, I want to go back, talking about fighters, I want to go to Mike Lindell.
First off, let's talk the politics side of it.
Are you running for governor or not?
This whole article, you can tell with a trained eye, they absolutely fear the specter of Mike Lindell potentially running for governor.
of Minnesota.
Is that something that's real?
Something you thought about?
They're not just the progressive left, but it looks like the establishment in the state all fear the fact that you may be contemplating doing this.
By the way, I don't know why.
mike lindell
Well they certainly fear it.
They sent out, Walt sent out, by the way he's up for the worst governor of the year award too with four other ones that I know of.
But Walt sent out to everyone in Minnesota a sheet saying we don't want Mike Lindell and Trumpism in Minnesota.
And so they do have a big fear of that.
And I've said it before, I wouldn't run for being a dog catcher if these machines are still in the United States.
But they will be gone, so at that time I'll have to make some decisions.
I believe that they're going to be completely gone very soon.
This year, in fact.
Once we get everything, the machine fraud, all out there.
steve bannon
Have you prayed for guidance about getting into politics, elective politics?
Have you contemplated this?
I'm not saying make the moves you've got to make mechanically to make it happen.
Have you prayed and searched yourself about this?
mike lindell
Well yeah, I've gotten in prayer that I'm going to be involved at some level.
But I don't know, I think the footprint keeps changing and I don't know if that'll be more of a national level or the governor.
Obviously Minnesota is like the ground zero of all the, one of the states with all the problems in this country.
They proved that when they, with all the riots that started with some of the worst political decisions ever made by a governor and a mayor in history.
And what that manifested to.
So I'm, you know, and I've lived there all my life.
And so, you know, we'll just have to see on that before I was 90 some percent.
But now it's just a timing thing.
That's in 2022.
And I expect this battle to with Dominion and our election fraud in our election to be taken down here.
This fraudulent president that's in power right now will be gone hopefully this year.
So there's where I'm at with everything.
steve bannon
Well, hold it.
Let's go back to that.
Dershowitz is part of your team.
You're in a civil suit.
They're suing you for bail-ins.
They've included MyPillow.
They're clearly trying to take the company from you or try to crush the company.
I take it you've got lawyers, investigators.
Can you share with the audience, what's the timing of that?
When do you think that'll actually start to go to trial or start to actually see something where they're calling you a bluff?
They say you have absolutely nothing.
You got nothing but a bunch of cranks on your movie, a bunch of cranks.
So we'll see in a court of law.
When's the talking going to stop and the actual evidence be shown by both sides?
How they back up their claims and you back up yours.
mike lindell
Okay, first of all, my number one lawsuit is the one that's going to go before the Supreme Court, and that's five or six weeks out.
When I launch my social media platform here, when I launch this, this will be, this will be, we'll have, you know, at least four weeks of completely dumping all the evidence to the whole country out there and the whole world.
And when we do that, you're also gonna have this case brought before the Supreme Court.
But in the meantime, you're also gonna have my pillow going after Dominion in a countersuit, And that's going to be your first amendment speech.
You're going to have me going after him, countersuing him, and this is all going to happen.
steve bannon
Hang on.
You haven't countersued him yet, right?
You're telling us now that you are going to countersue them?
mike lindell
There are two cases.
One will be Mike Pillow and one will be Mike Lindell.
We're both going after them.
And they're a little bit different because one of them, what Dominion did is violate the First Amendment rights of everybody in this country by using bullying lawsuits and RICO law.
Basically, it's, if you do this, they say to news outlets, if you let this guy on to talk about Dominion, we're going to sue you too.
That's racketeering.
That goes back to the mafia days.
And so we're going after, there's two lawsuits and actually then there's a third one, the big one is for the Supreme Court.
That's where I've been at all along to get this country, this election taken down and get this attack exposed on the United States by the Communist Party and foreign entities overseas that help with domestic traitors here in the United States.
steve bannon
But you do agree that the Supreme Court hasn't exactly been a great venue so far?
mike lindell
Right, that's a blessing, actually, because what was brought before them there is not what we have.
What was brought before there, we don't, you know, they have denied twice all these, you know, procedure.
It's on procedure.
Nobody's ever looked at the evidence that we have now with the machines and what's overseas, ever.
Except for Antrim County, Michigan, I take it back, and on the primary in Massachusetts, and now we're finally going to...
Yeah, and finally we're going to get to see it in Maricopa County, Arizona.
So what we've done is all the evidence you've seen in Absolute Truth, we've now compared the IP addresses, the IDs, and we've got so much more, and we're going to dump that so the American public can see it all, the nation can see it all, and it'll be amazing.
steve bannon
We got a lot to go through in a little time.
Programming note, Dr. Shiva is going to join us tomorrow with updates on his case that Mike just referenced in the court.
You know, they can't blow you off.
You're talking about courts and legislation.
We're talking about the court case.
It's a new update from Dr. Shiva.
I want to get to Maricopa in a second, but you mentioned, you used a term there, racketeering.
Are you implying that, and are your lawyers telling you you're going to use RICO law to try to go after Dominion?
Are you accusing We've had different discussions with, I've got upwards of 12 lawyers now.
them with racketeering or being part of a underneath a Rico statute you think you can go after them or use that as your as your counter suit?
mike lindell
We've had different discussions with I've got upwards of 12 lawyers now we've got we've discussed that comes along with the case of the First Amendment.
I believe there's a huge case there because and Alan Dershowitz said the case of the First Amendment should be one of the biggest ones in history because of what they're doing in our country not just to me but to anyone that talks about machine election fraud.
Machine election fraud.
You bring up their names and every news outlet, every single one can not bring it up right now.
And if you do, then Dominion or Smartmatic threaten to sue you, or they take you down on your YouTubes and your Vimeos and your Wikipedia's and your Google.
And I 100% believe that this will be one of the biggest cases.
It'll change history forever.
Because right now, if we don't do that, our First Amendment, forget about it.
It's over.
Then anybody can go bully newscasters and journalists.
They can go bully anybody and say, hey, if you do this, we're going to bury you too.
By the way, Steve, I'm doing another case.
I'm going after the people behind whoever hired the bots and trolls and those hit groups are all going to be exposed.
I want to expose them all from your sleeping giants to your awake giants or whoever these people are.
I'm going to get to the bottom of it.
Yeah, well, I don't know.
There's probably a lot of other hit groups, too, besides them.
And I want to find out who hires them.
And we're going to lay this all out to the American people, to the world, and expose them all.
We're going to find out who hired them.
We're going to find out why they hire them, why it's even legal.
That's like hiring people like in the Mafia days.
Hey, go out and kill these people.
Go out and break their arms until they go out and destroy my pillow and destroy Mike Lindell.
You've got to get rid of him fast because we almost fraudulently took the United States.
Let's quick do this.
Hurry.
Get out there.
I don't care what it costs.
Let's hire 20 groups.
I want to find out who those guys are and believe me, I will.
When this is done, we're going to expose it all.
steve bannon
When you say exposed, I take it besides lawyers, am I to surmise that you've got a team of professional investigators that are working on this that will show evidence and be able to show to your legal team so you'll go into a court of law and actually present evidence that back up these claims?
mike lindell
Absolutely.
I've hired the best in the world to go after these and investigate all this.
And what we're going to do is going to be a little different because I'm coming out with this big social media, this YouTube, Twitter combo kind of like.
It's going to be the news to the world and you're going to dump it and people are going to see the truth now and they're going to just see it all.
We're going to lay it all out there.
You're going to know if a Dominion employee, like I said before, you know, I said it the other day, if you're an employee out there for Dominion or Smartmatic and you were part of this, I would just turn yourself in now to get less jail time.
And, you know, if you're working for Twitter, any of these corrupt places, because everyone's going to fall like dominoes, and I can't even say all the people that already have that are going to be whistleblowers and witnesses.
steve bannon
We've got about a minute left in this.
I want to give a date, because coming back I've got different topics I want to talk about with you.
Just give a date right now and your best guess.
When are you going to announce the name and actually launch this Twitter, YouTube, Facebook kind of combo platter by Mike Lindell and other high-tech people?
When do you think right now is the best?
What is your guess of when you're going to launch this?
mike lindell
We're going to launch probably no later than two weeks, for sure.
Ten days to two weeks, on the outside of two weeks.
And I will get the name out on Thursday.
At the latest, because we announced the one name early, and they attacked that, and they go out and buy stuff, attack it, and stop it.
But we got a better name, and it's going to be amazing.
It fits well.
steve bannon
Okay, Mike, just hang on.
We've got one more segment.
We're bringing Mike Lindell back.
We're going to ask him.
It's a time of testing for Mike Lindell.
A guy that's had his own road to Damascus to get off of drugs and to accept the Lord and to turn his life around.
So we're going to ask him what he does in this time of testing to get through it in the War Room.
Be back in a moment.
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steve bannon
So Raheem, Captain Bennett, give me an assessment of what's the audience, how's the audience coming down on this right now?
raheem kassam
Well, let's put it this way.
The Star Tribune's switchboard operator is going to be pretty busy this morning, as is whoever goes through the email address, which is opinion at startribune.com.
I think people are realizing that, you know, there's leadership and then there's leadership.
And what Mike Lindell is doing is capital L leadership, right?
This is putting himself out on the front lines, taking the fight to the opposition, not waiting, as so many Republicans do, to kind of take the defensive position, but rather to get on the offensive.
So I would say, to channel the live chat, that a lot of people are digging that right now.
steve bannon
Courage is contagious.
And what did Churchill say?
Courage is the most important of all the virtues, because it is upon courage that all the other virtues rest.
So Mike Lindell, here's the question.
This is a time of testing, and look, any guy that can sit there and go, no, the domestic abuse thing is wrong, because I was in jail at the time.
It shows you that you came from a very troubled youth, and it was only later in life, after having a gambling problem, drug problem, all sorts of problems, financial problems, that you found God, and then later you accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior, and as you told me, totally changed your life.
So you've had a road to Damascus.
This is a time of testing.
You've got the whole world.
Well, that's a great question, and it goes back to when I did do a full surrender back on February 18, 2017.
for addiction, that you've set up this network to help addicts in a church-based. The audience wants to know, how do you, how does Mike Lindell get through this time of testing?
mike lindell
Well, that's a great question, and it goes back to when I did do a full surrender back on February 18, 2017. From that point on, I want to tell you, everybody, what I learned is, you know, we all pray when times are bad.
It seems like, you know, back in the day, I would pray, you know, God, please get me out of this.
I'll never do this again.
Or, you know, everyone's out there praying that they everybody prayed that this, this election would have been overturned a long time ago, but it may not have, you know, it didn't happen.
It was on God's timing.
I will tell you this.
Once you do a full surrender and spend time in the Word, then you can get proactive in prayer.
And the reason for that is, where is God's will?
God's will is in the Word.
So if you're out here praying for something, it might not be God's will.
And I had to learn that.
I'm going, God, why didn't this happen?
Why didn't this happen?
I prayed so hard.
Well, it might not be God's will.
And then where you find God's will is in the Word.
So by getting in the Word, spending time in our Bibles, reading our Bibles, and spending time with the Lord, Your prayers will align more.
They will come together, and you can be proactive in those prayers.
I ask every day, you know, I pray every day for wisdom and discernment.
It's one of my biggest prayers.
God, am I on the right path?
And I'll tell you, for me, I've took very few bad paths, you know, since I've been able to do this.
And right now, I want to thank everybody else out there.
Everywhere I go in this country right now, it seems like everyone's, you know, Mike, our prayers are behind you and your company.
We're behind you, you know, what you're doing.
You know, we all have callings, and our prayers are aligning in this.
This is a big spiritual battle between good and evil.
This isn't about a Democrat or Republican.
This is a battle of good and evil, and what was attacked came into our country.
This isn't either party that you think of.
I even have my Democrat friends going, what's going on?
What is happening here?
This is an evilness that is attacked on our country.
But to pray to have the courage, like you said it, Steve.
For me, for the courage, it comes easy because I don't have any fear.
You know, I only have fear of the Lord.
And if you take away, one of the things when you do a full surrender, When you fully surrender to Jesus as your Lord and Savior, it's like a lifting, it's like a peace.
It lifts off and you don't have these worries.
The worries just go away because you put it all on the Lord.
You pray for guidance, wisdom, and like I say, wisdom, discernment, and peace.
And for me, I pray also for protection.
Obviously, I've been attacked every which way from sundown.
And I pray for that, David, but I don't have one bit of fear.
steve bannon
Mike, we've got about two minutes left, and I know this is for people particularly under 35.
There's a lot of people in the MAGA movement, a lot of people that have followed President Trump for years, that are in despair.
What would be your guidance, particularly younger people under 35 years old that maybe don't have as much experience in life as you have?
What would be your recommendation to them?
What would you tell them?
What would be your guidance right now?
mike lindell
Well, my guy says I want everyone that is that generation that where they did take God out of our schools and you were brainwashed in the colleges for this socialism, thinking that socialism is just going and having a cup of coffee with your friend.
Well, now you're seeing a taste of it, which came into our country.
What's going on right now to your friends, your families out there that are, you know, this this First Amendment rights being pulled out from under us, the cancel culture that's going on, not just with me, but I mean, it's across the board.
I mean, everybody knows someone that's happened to.
And I would say to them is really look around you and see what's going on, because I think that God's just showing us here.
Look at where look at the direction this country when it turned its back on God.
And now we pray for grace.
I would say all of you out there, pray for God's grace.
And I'm telling you all to keep the faith.
I want everyone, you know, keep the faith.
This goes for everyone of all ages.
Because when we get through this, it's going to be the greatest revival ever.
And it's going to be a great uniting of our country.
We're going to come together on this.
This is one enemy that we have.
It's everybody's enemy.
This is evil.
And this is a great time to be in history.
I mean, are you kidding?
This is the most historical time.
It'll go down as one of the most historical times ever.
But we were part of that, using our faith and prayers and everything that everybody out there is doing to get this, to get our country back and get back to God and once again be in one nation under God.
steve bannon
Mike Lindell, CEO of MyPillow, American patriot and fighter.
Thank you very much for joining us today in the War Room.
mike lindell
Thanks for having me on.
God bless you guys.
steve bannon
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