March 6, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
| France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| That this is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
| France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
| Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, War Room. | ||
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Pandemic. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Live from a militarily occupied Washington, D.C., still with 7,000 National Guard troops that, according to people in Capitol Hill, are going to be here some indefinite amount of time at hundreds of millions of dollars of expense to the American taxpayers. | ||
| The 58th day of our occupation. | ||
| We're joined by Dr. Peter Navarro. | ||
| This is a special Death by CCP, Death by Chinese Communist Party, a rift on his amazing book and film from, I think, 2006? | ||
| think 2006? 2011? 2011. First book coming China Wars is 06, Death by China. Film and Steve, what is going on with this place? | ||
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2011? | |
| 2011. | ||
| I'm trying to come up here. | ||
| It's like, I rode my bike around the perimeter, and these National Guard people, I mean, I feel so bad for them. | ||
| They're sitting there freezing. | ||
| I mean, it's cold today. | ||
| It's not just the cold temperature, the wind's coming in, and I could just see the money, the taxpayer money kind of going away, floating into the breeze, and there's not a soul around. | ||
| Disgrace. | ||
| And the IC, we're going to get into this later, they say, oh, there's some IC chatter. | ||
| It's a disgrace, and it's a disgrace that Republicans every day are not crushing this. | ||
| We're actually going to be doing more about showing the fencing. | ||
| We had the artist in yesterday, Lee Brown, with the great Lucia DeClerc, the 105-year-old, we did the raisins. | ||
| She has the gin-soaked raisins. | ||
| tribute to her with her with her paint with her portrait of her and she was shocked and she lived in Brooklyn for many years came here to to Washington DC lives in Northern Virginia and she says the American people don't know that she was stunned about why how this looks like Kabul or how it looks like Baghdad during the green green zone days and the weird part is like the Supreme Court there's they're not guarding that I mean it's It's right across the street. | ||
| Or the Library of Congress. | ||
| or the library or the or the or the or the i mean look there's no where's the there is there is or there isn't right and it's like uh... board this is open open the southern border and and uh... | ||
| and in walls work around the capital In unrestricted warfare, as the Chinese have told us, this is all about the information warfare part of it. | ||
| Okay, now we're going to bring in an old Cold Warrior who was there with President Reagan during the takedown of the Soviet Union. | ||
| Remember, President Reagan changed everything by saying, we win, they lose, right? | ||
| The evil empire. | ||
| That changed the entire perspective and forced the American elites to actually confront the Soviet Union. | ||
| America's Mayor, Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| Mayor, thank you very much for joining us today on War Room Pandemic, our special death by the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Mayor, you were there as a Cold Warrior. | ||
| Compare and contrast for our audience The Soviet Union and Reagan's confrontation of the Soviet Union to leave behind detente, to leave behind rapprochement, to leave behind glasnost, all that, to actually have a confrontation in his administration and literally take down the Soviet Union, break it apart, and destroy it within about seven or eight years, sir? | ||
| Well, I think it's, you know, there are similarities and there are differences. | ||
| I was deeply involved in the Russian part of the Cold War, and I have to say, Starting with Nixon going to China, which was a brilliant, wonderful opening. | ||
| But unfortunately, the Chinese really, really used that to create 30, 40 years of goodwill and a false pretense in America that they were easier to negotiate with, that they were less rigid, that they had more people who wanted the peaceful rise of China. | ||
| They even wrote books about it. | ||
| They pretended that there was a big battle within Beijing between the hawks and the doves. | ||
| I think if there were any doves, they've all disappeared and flown away to somewhere else or gone. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I mean, you have to admire the fact that they did a tremendous job of creating a cover using Russia as, you know, Russia's worst. | ||
| So give us a break. | ||
| And then we'll help you with Russia. | ||
| Well, that was never their intention. | ||
| They're both, one's a communist country, the other probably still thinks it's a communist country. | ||
| And certainly shares the amoral worldview that China has. | ||
| So the short answer is China's tougher. | ||
| China's more difficult. | ||
| China has infiltrated for a long time without our knowing about it. | ||
| We were on top of Russian infiltration, Hoover was, for all his criticism of him, from the early 30s, maybe even the 20s. | ||
| Even when they became an ally, the FBI was a different FBI then. | ||
| They knew that Russia would eventually be an enemy, that the Russian Communism would be an enemy. | ||
| The difference is we had tremendous intelligence on Russia. | ||
| We really knew it. | ||
| We're only catching up on China because, I mean, there are still a lot of people in America that are still living in denial. | ||
| We still have Chamberlain's here. | ||
| We still have a very large segment of America who thinks China is, like Biden said, not really, you know, a competitor, not really dangerous. | ||
| So, so wrong. | ||
| Rudy, you left out the part that China's got 10 times the amount of people in the economy, if China is about 20 times the size of it. | ||
| And I'd like to get your thoughts on, I mean, this whole idea that what Nixon and Kissinger did was brilliant, you use that word? | ||
| Hey, after the fact, that was just dumb. | ||
| I don't think it was any dumber, Peter, than Or making an alliance with Stalin to win the Second World War. | ||
| It's what you do after that's important. | ||
| I think using China did help to isolate Russia. | ||
| But we had to know we were using the devil. | ||
| And we forgot we were using the devil. | ||
| And the other way to look at it, Rudy, was all Nixon and Kissinger were trying to do was get away out of Vietnam. | ||
| I mean, that was kind of the subtext of the whole thing. | ||
| And I can tell you, and people don't talk a lot about this because it's granular, but one of the things that Kissinger and Nixon did was give away a critical piece of the South China Sea to the Chinese. | ||
| It was an operation that was run at the very top by Zhou Enlai, and right now China is using those islands in the South China Sea to challenge the American Navy there. | ||
| So I just, every time Kissinger's name comes up, I mean, that dude did nothing but make money off the backs of the American worker and off the backs of the American military and a pox on that house, sir. | ||
| You know, I agree with you from about 1983, 84 on. | ||
| But up until then, I can see why you'd want to have a dual strategy and that you'd want to try to play China off against against Russia. | ||
| Then I think the same mistake was made, which was a dramatic and critical one, that we didn't do the reboot, that we weren't smart enough to see we were using the devil to fight the devil, and now we're going to have to fight you. | ||
| I mean, exactly what Roosevelt was warned about was Stalin, which, because of the influence of communism around him, he ignored. | ||
| And maybe because at the time Roosevelt, I don't want to say reminds me of the condition Biden is in, but A lot of people thought he really wasn't functioning. | ||
| Hey, Rudy, the dirty little secret here is, you know, we're making a dichotomy here. | ||
| Oh, which one's more dangerous, Russia or China, Russia or China? | ||
| The reality is the biggest danger is Russia and China. | ||
| I mean, you have the labor force of the Chinese with the mineral base of the Russians and the Russian expertise. | ||
| I mean, still to this day, Russia makes a better air defense system than the Americans do. | ||
| That's why, I mean, it's like, enough of this dichotomy. | ||
| It's like Russia and China, that's the coalition we need to worry about, and Germany waiting in the wings, my friend. | ||
| I think Peter is absolutely right. | ||
| They certainly are pretty much in the same position right now. | ||
| They have been for a long time. | ||
| I mean, if you look at them alone, China is the one country in the world that can really challenge us. | ||
| Russia by itself, is a state, not a nation as far as we're concerned. | ||
| But you put it together with China, and you have a Europe that doesn't feel the same threat that it felt during the Cold War. | ||
| And we're kind of in it pretty much by ourselves. | ||
| Maybe with England, maybe with Australia and Canada. | ||
| And also, the other thing we shouldn't miss, And the thing we don't utilize well enough is around China, a lot of the smaller countries that are becoming economically powerful hate China. | ||
| I mean, the whole idea that Vietnam and China were allies, that was just a necessity. | ||
| It's been, you know, a thousand years of hatred. | ||
| And right now, Vietnam is very upset about the expansion of China and all the countries in that region of Asia. | ||
| Where do you think the American elite stand on this right now? | ||
| Are they bought into the fact that we've got to confront this like the Trump administration did? | ||
| Or do you think that they say they want to out-compete, but you think you're getting the signals that this is all about appeasement, that we didn't stand up for Hong Kong and we're not going to stand up for Taiwan? | ||
| That's the feeling I have, Peter. | ||
| I don't get any strong sense that they even see it clearly. | ||
| When you listen to Biden's words, which obviously are written by other people, they're all very, very, very carefully toned down words that whatever China does, there's kind of an understanding of it. | ||
| Well, it's their culture and it's their practice. | ||
| and we have to understand that in other parts of the world, you can have genocide. | ||
| You know, in other parts of the world, it's okay if you eliminate an entire Muslim sect. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| It's just another part of the world. | ||
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I mean, that indicates the psychology of a person. | |
| Rudy, the counter theory here is that the Biden administration knows exactly what's going on, but they're compromised. | ||
| That study that the Republicans did, which showed 20 of the top officials of the Biden administration were in some way, including Kurt Campbell, who basically seems to be the brains of the outfit. | ||
| Meanwhile, you've got me and Bannon here sitting six minutes after, four minutes after Biden gets inaugurated, sanctions on Bannon, Navarro, and Pompeo ponder, and meanwhile all of these Biden officials, Blinken at State, Kurt Campbell, etc., the head of the CIA, the head of the NSC, so I guess the question is, Is it worse? | ||
| Is it not naivete? | ||
| Is it simply corruption with Chinese characteristics? | ||
| It's both, Peter. | ||
| I mean, people tend to rationalize their corruption. | ||
| I mean, they don't say to themselves, you know, we're going to negotiate with China and get a good result to have peace because China just bribed me. | ||
| I mean, they basically rationalize it. | ||
| I mean, Biden Biden is the worst. | ||
| I've got the hard drive to prove it if anybody wants to look at it. | ||
| Biden, over the years, the family got millions and millions of dollars from the country that's now our most critical enemy. | ||
| Rudy, does it tick you off that to this day, Hunter's getting a free ride on this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's the only person on the planet who could do the kinds of things he did. | ||
| Immoral, unethical, corrupt, just the depths of depravity. | ||
| And he skates right through CNN and MSNBC. | ||
| I've never heard Morning Joe go off on him. | ||
| I've never heard John. | ||
| It's got to it's got to tick you off. | ||
| Oh, my goodness, it does. | ||
| When you consider the things that I see other people pursued for, Half of which look like they're made up, and if not made up, exaggerated into criminality when they're at best mistakes or regulatory problems. | ||
| I have a tape in which, having been a trained federal prosecutor, I could easily convict the President of the United States and his son of racketeering. | ||
| I don't have a doubt about it. | ||
| I've got at least six racketeering acts, Ukraine, China, Moscow, Romania, don't forget Kazakhstan, and then also a second situation in China. | ||
| I tell you what, Rudy, let's take a quick break. | ||
| And that all adds up to multi-millions of dollars. | ||
| We're going to ask you to stay over for the next segment. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We've got Dr. Peter Navarro, the author of Death by China, and Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York. | ||
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We'll be back in the War Room in a second. | |
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Steel and aluminum. | ||
| Former President Trump then put tariffs on those things being imported into this country. | ||
| Do you plan to keep those tariffs in place? | ||
| So let me say those tariffs have been effective. | ||
| The data show that those tariffs have been effective. | ||
| And I think what President Biden has said is we're going to have a whole of government review of all of these policies and decide what it makes sense to maintain. | ||
| And from a national security perspective, do you plan to target specific businesses, like a TikTok or a Huawei? | ||
| Which again, President Trump got a lot of credit, talked a big game, but if you actually look at what he did, it really wasn't anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, like you mentioned Huawei, ZTE, there are Chinese telecommunication companies, if you look at their behavior, They deserve to be targeted, and if it's necessary, then that's what we'll do. | ||
| This is your first day. | ||
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| That, stunningly enough, is the Secretary, incoming Secretary of Commerce in the Biden administration questioned by a real hater, Stephanie Ruhle, former investment banker, I actually think a very good, probably one of the best people over at MSNBC, but man, she is a hater on the Trump administration and she was a little shocked by that response by the incoming Secretary of Commerce. | ||
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| First I've got the Mayor Rudy Giuliani, I'll get back to him second. | ||
| The incoming Commerce Secretary, I want to ask Rudy about Huawei and that stuff, but I want to talk to you about the trade and tariffs. | ||
| It's very controversial. | ||
| Wall Street Journal, you've got Republicans like Phil Graham and Pat Toomey, a sitting senator, they're lighting you up. | ||
| The Washington Post is lighting you up all week. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And Biden's Commerce Secretary comes in and says, yeah, they were very effective. | ||
| And more importantly, we're going to keep them in place until we have this total review of what our strategy is going to be. | ||
| Dr. Peter Navarro. | ||
| Let me tell you why that's so important to have that. | ||
| Culture at the Commerce Department right now. | ||
| It's not just that you can put tariffs on steel and aluminum and like we did on China. | ||
| One of the most important weapons the Commerce Department has is the ability to impose what's called countervailing and anti-dumping duties. | ||
| And while I was in the administration over the course of four years, We did hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cases that saved American jobs and American factories. | ||
| Stephanie Ruhle, I'm not sure that she's closed her eyes since that interview. | ||
| Because that was a woke moment. | ||
| She was shocked. | ||
| She thought she teed up for some hate. | ||
| Maybe now that Orange Man Bad is over for a while, We can have a rational discussion about the need to use tariff policies to defend the American workers. | ||
| A rational discussion? | ||
| I want to see it coming in the Wall Street Journal. | ||
| They're the haters. | ||
| Let's be clear. | ||
| The Wall Street Journal is the Wall Street Journal. | ||
| It's not the Main Street Journal. | ||
| They support sending our jobs and our factories overseas to inflate the bottom line so that the Dow Jones Industrial Average will go up. | ||
| Pat Toomey's a former investment banking financier. | ||
| He's one of the mainstays on the finance side in the Republican Party. | ||
| Why are you telling me this? | ||
| Is that like a good thing? | ||
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You know he's a criminal if he does that. | |
| He's an offshoring gangster, Bannon. | ||
| You're telling me he's got street cred? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Phil Graham is an idiot. | ||
| He's a one-trick pony who did the supply-side taxes. | ||
| No, no, no, but I'm saying that they are the orthodoxy of the Republican Party's thinking about economic policy. | ||
| That's why there's no, when you talk about Big Tent, the Big Tent is going to be, the bigger tent is going to be working class Hispanics in the Rio Grande Valley, working class and middle class African Americans in our big cities. | ||
| This is what's going to lead this populist revolution, right? | ||
| This populist revolution that's going to change the political dynamic in the country. | ||
| You don't need to have a Big Tent when the policies are just totally different. | ||
| This is about first principles and policy debate. | ||
| And the Wall Street Journal would sit there and go, oh, we're just going to... What they want is the Trump voter and the Trump base, which is a populist economic base, to vote for policies that destroy them. | ||
| And it's not going to happen. | ||
| Rudy, I want to go to the second part of that. | ||
| She had to get in there that Trump was all talk and no action. | ||
| Your advisor to the President, is that the way you remember his China policy? | ||
| Was it all talk and no action? | ||
| Or do you remember full-on confrontation with the Chinese Communist Party, sir? | ||
| Well, I remember, and Peter of course would know this better, he was right in the middle of it, but I remember raising tariffs, a lot of criticism, tremendous amount of criticism. | ||
| He may have lost whatever he had left of Wall Street by doing that. | ||
| I mean, what China was able to accomplish in that period of time when When we thought they were not as bad as Russia and possibly could be a friend, they convinced a lot of our businesses, many, many of our businesses, that they were a wonderful market. | ||
| And then, right now, those people have to be aware of the fact that this is also a very evil country that has the design of trying to take us out by 2049. | ||
| But the greed stands in the way of national security. | ||
| So you look at any of these companies, the people that Peter was just talking about, they're weighing money over national security. | ||
| There's a great argument can be made that you can't miss out on the Chinese market. | ||
| Another great argument can be made if you all buy into the Chinese market, China will control the world before 2049. | ||
| And the world will be controlled by a communist, homicidal dictatorship. | ||
| For our audience, hang on, why is 2049, you keep referring to dates and they're big on dates, but why is 2049, why should that be embedded into our audience's memory? | ||
| What is significant about that date? | ||
| Because of Xi's speech in which he said 2049 is the time by which he wanted to replace the United States as the leading world power. | ||
| Now that, he didn't mean just economic power, otherwise he wouldn't be building up his military at record levels. | ||
| He meant he wanted to control the world. | ||
| The world would be more like China than the decrepit West. | ||
| Just a little granularity here. | ||
| I will turn 100 if I eat the ginseng raisins in 2049, but so will the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| That was the birth of the Chinese Republic in 1949. | ||
| It was a good day and a bad day there. | ||
| I was born and they were born. | ||
| You choose which is which. | ||
| Get on those ginseng raisins. | ||
| I'm ready for those, baby. | ||
| Rudy, last thing. | ||
| We're running out of time, Rudy, but I gotta ask you. | ||
| People look to you. | ||
| This audience is an activist audience. | ||
| What do you recommend now that if we want to, you know, have the same type of victory that we had over the Soviet Union in the 1980s that supported President Trump, President Reagan, and you were part of that. | ||
| What should this audience do today? | ||
| To make sure they fully understand what this threat is, the depth of this threat, and what they can do to fight back. | ||
| We have a job, I think, people like you and I and Peter who see clearly the threat of China. | ||
| We have to teach people about it. | ||
| We have a deficit of knowledge. | ||
| We didn't have that about Russia. | ||
| I mean, there were always the internal communists and the people who were sympathetic to Russia and some of the peaceniks. | ||
| But America had a great education on Russian Communism and I was taught it in college. | ||
| And we all studied we all did Russian studies that China has slipped under the radar. | ||
| We don't know as much about China and our people don't just not if you go to a group of people and say China is a big threat. | ||
| They may actually think Iran is more of a threat because we spent more time talking about it. | ||
| So I think our job has to be what you're doing right now. | ||
| You're educating right now. | ||
| You are doing something enormously valuable you and Peter you're educating our base. | ||
| About a threat that they probably didn't realize was as great as it is a year ago. | ||
| That brings the political support that then narrows the options for the Biden administration And maybe it gets to be so great that it takes them out of office. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Rudy, real quickly, talk about your podcast is on fire. | ||
| You've got a daily radio show on WABC, people can listen to three to four. | ||
| You've also got a podcast that's on fire. | ||
| How do people get to the podcast and how do people follow you during the day? | ||
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They get to the podcast on Rudy's Common Sense. | |
| They go to Rudy'sCommonSense.com, just hit the button and you've got 105 podcasts. | ||
| A certain number on China we're talking about right now and the one this week compares 2020 to 1984. | ||
| Orwell's 1984. | ||
| Including the very interesting fact that Orwell had this practice or the Big Brother had this practice of un-personing you. | ||
| Which sounds an awful lot like cancelling you. | ||
| Very similar. | ||
| Rudy, we've got to bounce. | ||
| WABC, three to four every day. | ||
| His podcast, Rudy's Common Sense. | ||
| You've got to go on. | ||
| Everybody has to go and download it. | ||
| Also, they have a show 10 to 11, WABC, Sunday morning. | ||
| Thank you, Rudy Giuliani, America's Mayor. | ||
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| Jobs disappear. | ||
| And the way the economy's going right now, it's tough to find a job. | ||
| When the workers in China are being abused, then workers in America have a tougher time competing against them. | ||
| Five and a half million manufacturing jobs gone. | ||
| 57,000 manufacturing facilities closed in this nation. | ||
| Some of the workers at companies, literally their last act at the factory was to unbolt the machine and load it up to be shipped off to China. | ||
| There's no question that a large part of China's competitive advantage has come from environmental neglect. | ||
| 16 of the world's 20 dirtiest cities are located in the People's Republic. | ||
| That leads to carbon emissions and particulate matter falling all along the coast of the United States. | ||
| If you put it in your mouth or the hands of a child, don't buy it from China. | ||
| They're not only ruining our economy, they're poisoning our children with the toys that we give them. | ||
| China, until today, is a totalitarian regime. | ||
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It's a dynasty. | |
| Not a republic. | ||
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Not people's country. | |
| China's military power is strengthening very, very rapidly. | ||
| It's developing a modern, well-equipped, technologically capable military. | ||
| China is the only major nation in the world that is preparing to kill Americans. | ||
| We're a subsidiary of China and getting worse and worse because they're going to own us pretty soon. | ||
| If we talk about who's to blame, I think partially our own government. | ||
| Our government should be doing something. | ||
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They could have stepped in, I think, a long time ago. | |
| Please hear us. | ||
| I think that at every level people could boycott and there would be a shot heard around the world. | ||
| Okay, that is uh death by china That came out in the run-up to the 2012 campaign. | ||
| What Rudy was saying, we're going to have Dave Ramaswamy on later, the great venture capitalist. | ||
| He's actually got some analysis of Pew Poll. | ||
| Rudy is right in one thing. | ||
| The elites have not bought into this, but the American people understand. | ||
| This film and book were put out in the run-up to the 2012 campaign. | ||
| And then later in 2016, Dr. Peter Navarro, the author of the book, co-author of the book and the producer of the film, became a mainstay and one of the intellectual leaders of the Trump 2016 campaign and obviously in the White House. | ||
| Okay, we're back. | ||
| I want to make sure everybody, look, you need energy. | ||
| If we're going to take this on, you're talking about the long game here, to confront the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| We actually happen to think That our confrontation that is going to take down the CCP much quicker than other people think but their timeline is 2049 but if you're if you Want to be part of that. | ||
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| I want to go back to this death by China. | ||
| Our special today is death by the CCP. | ||
| This is not about the Chinese people. | ||
| Lao Bajing, old hunter names, are the deplorables of China. | ||
| They're our allies here, and in fact, our support of them as they fight for their freedom against a totally dictatorial regime. | ||
| I want to go, okay, Navarro, real quick, you had a actually a book in 2006 That was seminal. | ||
| And really when we started getting attention of the China hands, because in that book you talk about, I think it's on page 144, you talk about the coming pandemics that are going to be coming out of China. | ||
| And you say it's just a matter of time that this is going to happen, right? | ||
| That's before they even built the P4 labs. | ||
| You said this is coming out of China in 2006. | ||
| Then, in 2011, as the run-up, you wanted to get this into the political narrative and the political conversation, and in fact, people will forget, the best moment that I think Romney had was in this confrontation with Obama in some of these debates, but somehow he didn't close on it. | ||
| Obviously Romney wasn't going to close on it, but he didn't even close on that part. | ||
| You put out Death by China, I think in the run-up to the 2012 election. | ||
| Let me give you some history. | ||
| You go back to the 2006 Coming China Wars book. | ||
| It predicted that China would create a global pandemic that could kill millions of people. | ||
| And that was dead on, because that's exactly what has happened, although they seem to have had some help from Fauci and gain-of-function experiments in the American taxpayer. | ||
| We'll talk about that later. | ||
| But that book was really important because it also led me to be sitting right here with you, Steve. | ||
| That's a book that Donald Trump, in 2011, In an interview with the Los Angeles Times, rated as one of his top ten books, and that's how I started corresponding with him. | ||
| But the Death by China book and film was specifically designed to influence the 2012 presidential election in a way that would bring the China threat to the top of the issues chart in the debate and I actually after after having some openings in LA and New York I actually took the film on the road to Ohio | ||
| And basically Ohio at the time, along with some of the other blue wall states, was ground zero. | ||
| If you looked at Cold Open, the trailer there, Congressman Tim Ryan talks about how Basically, factories in Ohio would close and then the Chinese would come in and literally box up all the equipment and take it off to Shanghai or Beijing. | ||
| The film, by the way, is free, it's on YouTube, over a million people have watched it, have at it tonight with some popcorn. | ||
| We're going to put it into the live chat. | ||
| The only problem with the film is that it's as relevant today as it was then. | ||
| The difference is, and we'll talk about this in a little bit, is that at least the American people ...have basically come to understand not just the seriousness of the threat, but the scope of the threat. | ||
| And what we have to do is turn that into political action. | ||
| And it's got to come up from the grassroots. | ||
| Well, we have political action. | ||
| Remember, I met with Bossie, Bossie and myself met with Trump in August of 2011. | ||
| And in the entire conversation, I think we were there for two hours, I told Bossie later, I said, he is more advanced in his thinking on China than all the political apparatus Let me tell you that story because it's interesting. | ||
| The 2011 article in the LA Times, right? | ||
| It was supposed to be kind of a Sarah Palin gotcha moment. | ||
| Some reporter asked Donald J. Trump, what's your favorite book on China? | ||
| Thinking that he'd say, well I've read all of them. | ||
| And this guy did what I think you and I might not have been able to do. | ||
| He basically listed 20 books In order of his preference and described basically the thumbnail of each of them by title and author. | ||
| And that's where I say I came up at 6 in his top 10. | ||
| Trump, going back to the 80s with Japan... This is a very important point. | ||
| He never gets credit for that at all by the foreign policy elite. | ||
| He was ahead of the existential threat to this country and to the world years before. | ||
| Well, the issue of trade began with his views on Japan back in the 80s, in that famous interview he did with Oprah, where he basically laid out the problem of dumping into this country by Asian nations that were taking advantage of government subsidies, China Inc., Japan Inc., and all of that. | ||
| He laid it all out. | ||
| And then once China came along, it was the Japanese model on steroids. | ||
| And so he came in to the White House. | ||
| Very clearly understanding what needed to be done, and I think that we got a lot done, but we would have got a lot more done if we didn't have to fight the globalists on the Hill and some of the globalists within the administration. | ||
| And therein lies the tale. | ||
| Why the globalists? | ||
| We talk about populism versus globalism. | ||
| We talk about these elites versus the nationalists. | ||
| What is, for our audience, what is that problem? | ||
| What's that demarcation? | ||
| How should they start to think about this as they see all this stuff every day in the news, Wall Street Journal? | ||
| What is that line of demarcation? | ||
| There's two things going on. | ||
| It's kind of like a special interest thing and an ideology thing. | ||
| The ideology thing, it's like the Kurt Campbell kind of view. | ||
| He's the new kid on the block. | ||
| State Department guy. | ||
| He's in charge of all Asia. | ||
| Yeah, their view is that what we've got to do is engage with China, accommodate with China. | ||
| Oh, we're going to out-compete them, that's the thing. | ||
| We're going to out-compete them. | ||
| Yeah, and the idea is that if we have to give away some of our factory jobs and factories to China or Asia in order to get some of these national security benefits, that's worth the deal. | ||
| And this is why Hispanic and African-American voters understand, hey, when they're doing that trade-off, those are my jobs. | ||
| And the National Security Strategy of 2017 was one of the great historical documents of this administration, and there's a line in there that basically says, When you sacrifice economic security on the altar of national security, you wind up losing both. | ||
| Okay, now, the second part is far more odious. | ||
| It's the special interest drive. | ||
| It's the thing that drives the Club of Growth and the Toomies of this world. | ||
| Their rhetoric notwithstanding, it's just simply that multinational corporations prefer cheap labor and low regulations for pollution, right? | ||
| And if they can go offshore to get that, that enhances their bottom line. | ||
| Indeed, they do not care about the American working class. | ||
| They especially don't want real wages. | ||
| Everybody in our audience, everybody in the podcast, everybody on radio in Atlanta, Richmond, all of it, everybody on TV got to embrace this fact. | ||
| Woke corporate culture is just a cover. | ||
| That's just a total cover. | ||
| Because when you cut down to what their interests are, the interest is in higher margins, and that means higher stock prices. | ||
| The way they get those higher margins, they're going to get the higher margins of the back of the working class in this country. | ||
| They don't care about really environmental regulations at all, right? | ||
| That's why they want this deregulation. | ||
| And they don't care about workers. | ||
| They will trade off worker security and workers increasing wages, which is the great, that's why 2019 Greatest year for workers in the history of this country under Donald Trump with his sidekick here, Dr. Peter Navarro. | ||
| And this is where the idea of idea laundering come in, okay? | ||
| Because I told you that, you know, there's some people on the ideology, they genuinely believe that this economic engagement and all this stuff is good. | ||
| OK, and then there's the bad guys who just are in it for the money. | ||
| But the idea of laundering comes in when they use those public interest arguments to advance their private sector agenda. | ||
| And that's where we're at. | ||
| I mean, this town, this is a swamp. | ||
| We are riffed with that. | ||
| And the working class people of America have no chance in this town when it comes to lobbyists. | ||
| When you talk about the swamp, I think it's too cute a term, but talk about the apparatus that works here, how the one hand washes the other against the interest of the middle class and working class in this nation, sir. | ||
| Well, there's two things going on. | ||
| We'll talk more after the break about this, but the Trump administration, even sometimes when it appointed people politically, wound up with globalists. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| But the bigger danger is that the administrative state, the deep administrative state, where you have Bureaucrats who simply had their own agenda. | ||
| It's the Vindman's and Fiona Hill's in this world. | ||
| Remember, this is my phrase at CPAC. | ||
| It's not the deep state. | ||
| Don't get into conspiracy. | ||
| It's the administrative state and they're in your grill. | ||
| You want to see the best thing in the administrative state? | ||
| All the fiascos that Dr. Navarro had to deal with, with the healthcare administrative state, the incompetence of the Fauci's of the world, that is just as embedded bureaucracy, right? | ||
| That it perpetuates itself and it's kind of impervious to political control, right? | ||
| They have their own point of view. | ||
| Derailed, delayed, disrupt. | ||
| That's what they do, Steve. | ||
| Brilliant. | ||
| Okay, you're getting pretty good at this. | ||
| That Harvard train over there, across the river. | ||
| Hit my marks here. | ||
| Hit my marks here. | ||
| I was over at the trade school. | ||
| I was at the trade school. | ||
| I couldn't go over the highfalutin near Harvard Square. | ||
| We weren't allowed over there. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| We're gonna be back talking about, are we in the 1930s, just like with Hitler, with the guys in Beijing. | ||
| All next, War and Pandemic. | ||
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| You've been fighting this fight a long time. | ||
| You understood the problem of China at the turn of the century. | ||
| And you knew this is going to be an issue. | ||
| You've kind of dedicated your life to this, right? | ||
| This is why President Trump had read your book. | ||
| This is why the campaign reached out to you. | ||
| This is why you were in the White House. | ||
| You're a major architect of these policies. | ||
| Here's the question I've got right now. | ||
| We're going to get Dr. Jan on about Wuhan later. | ||
| We'll talk about gain of function, everything like that, but I want to end this hour right now with Hong Kong, all the treaties we had about Hong Kong, and we saw what happened in Hong Kong starting in 2019. | ||
| We did have opportunities to drop the hammer for a host of reasons. | ||
| The West put some pressure on, led by the United States, but now Xi's bragging. | ||
| He's got not one country, two systems, he's got one country, one system. | ||
| They've rolled up Hong Kong, which is the greatest city in the world, a place I absolutely love. | ||
| First place I went to as a naval officer with the Pacific Fleet. | ||
| I fell in love with China and the Chinese people. | ||
| Now, they've got their eyes on Taiwan. | ||
| They say the South China Sea is an internal sea. | ||
| That's the kinetic war geopolitical. | ||
| But they're also still trying to run the tables on finance, on the unrestricted warfare, information war, cyber war, economic war. | ||
| They're gung-ho up there. | ||
| And in Biden, they think, besides the Secretary of Commerce saying, hey, we're going to keep the tariffs on, they look at Biden as being compromised. | ||
| Biden was in charge of pivot to Asia under Obama. | ||
| Are we in a situation that's like the 1930s, where you saw Nazis, and the West would not stand up to them. | ||
| You had Austria, you had Czechoslovakia, and finally Poland. | ||
| But we had every opportunity for about 8, 9, 10 years. | ||
| Churchill was in the wilderness, kept saying, hey, if we don't stop these guys now, it's going to be a horrific shooting war. | ||
| We must stop them now. | ||
| Nobody would listen. | ||
| Everybody mocked him. | ||
| Is that the situation we're in right now, where she and this group of gangsters understand the West is on their back foot and you've got guys, you know, you've got the Merkels of the world, you've got nothing but weakness in Europe. | ||
| In the United States, you now have the Biden administration. | ||
| Dr. Peter Navarro. | ||
| Steve, I said the day after Biden got elected on TV that the first thing they're going to do is make a move on Taiwan. | ||
| CCP will make a move on Taiwan. | ||
| It's a pretty bold statement. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| To test Biden. | ||
| What I mean by that is that they're going to move some ships there, they're going to basically probe to see Whether there's going to be resistance from the Navy, the U.S. | ||
| Navy, and I think they will definitely try to put the move on and take Taiwan in some way. | ||
| Now, why do I say that? | ||
| Taiwan strategically is critical to both China and the U.S. | ||
| It's the midpoint of what's called the first island chain. | ||
| And if you Which you have within the first island chain that stretches from the Philippines through Taiwan over to Japan. | ||
| It's a relatively shallower sea, and it basically makes it difficult for the Chinese Navy to roam the world and become a global superpower. | ||
| If you take Taiwan, instead of having it looking in towards the mainland, militarily with the U.S. | ||
| as the ally, and you have China basically controlling Taiwan, looking out, you're in trouble. | ||
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| But hang on for a second, there's an artificial intelligence report that got put up by the U.S. | ||
| government on Monday, and almost no coverage by the mainstream media. | ||
| This thing says, hey, if we don't up the game, the artificial intelligence of This is the interconnection, Steve, the ineluctable interconnection of economic security and national security. | ||
| China's going to overwhelm us. And even that we have a fighting chance is our is our semiconductor advanced manufacturing capability. Correct me if I'm wrong, sir, is in Taiwan. If Taiwan was to fall, if Taiwan was to fall, right, we're essentially done as far as high tech goes. Dr. Peter Navarro. | ||
| This is the interconnection, Steve, the ineluctable interconnection of economic security and national security. You can't separate the two. | ||
| And I wanted to say one thing about Hong Kong. | ||
| The way the Chinese dealt with Hong Kong, to me, is one of the most important pieces of circumstantial evidence that the CCP virus is a bioweapon. | ||
| We'll leave the question open as to whether it was deployed intentionally or accidentally, but once that got out of the lab, and we know that it came from a Wuhan lab, | ||
| What that did is it took all the protesters who were in Hong Kong, out on the streets, basically humiliating the CCP, and locked them up in their buildings, and it was that single act, using the virus, that allowed the Chinese Communist Party to take Hong Kong, and to our shame, This country did not stand up for Hong Kong at Hong Kong's time of greatest need. | ||
| We did some things within administration, but we did not do what was necessary at the time, and that's appeasement. | ||
| And that's where we get to your European theory. | ||
| That's our Sudetenland. | ||
| What happened to Hong Kong, that's the Sudetenland, what Chamberlain did with Hitler, and opened the door to the blitzkriegs that took France. | ||
| Should we have, and we still could, should the Bai administration stop the convertibility of the Hong Kong dollar, sanction the major financial institutions like Hong Kong, Shanghai Bank, and sanction individuals like Wang Qishan and Xi? | ||
| You've got about 30 seconds. | ||
| Yes or no? | ||
| Yes, but my push within the administration was to shut down the Hong Kong clearinghouses and prevent capital from flowing through Hong Kong back from the mainland to the US and Europe and back and forth. | ||
| If we had simply done that, that would have basically saved Hong Kong. | ||
| But I had to fight within the administration, as usual, We lost that battle. | ||
| We lost Hong Kong. | ||
| To the globalists. | ||
| And to the globalists. | ||
| President Trump's default position is always with populism and always with nationalism, right? | ||
| The problem is the Republican Party. | ||
| And this is why I think this fight right now we're going to have is so important to basically align populist thinking and populist ideas with policy and then politicians. | ||
| Party's got to stop at the shores, OK? | ||
| It used to be the way, OK? | ||
| China is coming for us hard. | ||
| They're coming for Taiwan hard. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We'll return when Dr. Li Ming Yang gets in here. |
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