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steve bannon
Welcome live from Capitol Hill.
It is the War Room.
You're in the War Room.
It's Saturday, the 28th of November, the year of our Lord 2020.
Having a little technical issues here, trying to get our guests lined up.
A lot happening overnight.
Big ruling in Pennsylvania courts, state court, saying that everything's laid out there to totally Disqualify this election.
Kind of a shocker in the middle of the night.
Also, CNN is now starting to get some type of old-fashioned religion where they understand that this thing could flip back to the rightful winner, President Donald J. Trump.
Today's show, we're gonna bring in Jack Posobiec to talk us through Pennsylvania.
Also, Bernie Carrick.
Another new development last night, there's going to be a hearing in Arizona on Monday, already sold out, standing room only.
Everybody wants to be a part of it.
It's going to be a follow-on to the Gettysburg situation, where we made tremendous headway with Colonel Mastriano and others, putting forward the evidence, showing the receipts, as we say, and so in Arizona on Monday.
Wisconsin, you wouldn't know it from the media, and this is why the Comms team over at the campaign I think has to get on top of things, that we had a massive positive news coming out of Wisconsin Last night, I think in Milwaukee County alone, the IC, which is the indefinite confinement folks, I think there's 235,000 ballots that have been cast in that regard.
Traditionally, it's been only, I think, 20,000 put in.
I think 19,000 in Milwaukee County alone.
We're identified, but you wouldn't see that from the news stories, okay?
We've got a lot to go through.
We've got a few technical problems we're going to work all of us through.
John Frederick's Radio Network, Real America's Voice, Newsmax TV, GNews, GTV.
We're going to get into it because it's going to be a packed show today.
We're going to take you around the nation on exactly what is going on.
I want to bring in first Jack Posobiec.
So Jack, you know Pennsylvania as well as anybody.
You've been following this.
We're going to have Sean Parnell We're on in the second hour with Boris Epstein.
We're trying to get Jenna Ellis.
We're also going to have a witness in the second hour from just an average American citizen who is a witness to some of the most egregious activities in Pennsylvania.
We'll also be on.
Bernie Carrick is going to follow you to talk about Arizona, but Jack, what was this state court ruling last night that kind of hit like a bombshell near midnight last night?
What did this judge actually rule?
jack posobiec
Yeah, Steve, thanks for having me on again.
And that's really great that you've got Parnell coming up because this is his case.
This is the case, the lawsuit that Sean Parnell has filed along with Congressman Mike Kelly, essentially going up through, and Patricia McCullough is the judge here in the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania.
Now, she had ruled earlier in an emergency ruling to stop the certification.
And there was a question about whether or not certification had been completed in Pennsylvania.
Now, the governor was putting out press releases saying, oh, the certification is done.
It's certified.
It's over.
It's it's it's totally finished.
Well, McCullough comes back and see, here's one thing the judges don't like is when you lie to them, especially when you give them bad information because they they rule off of your information.
So she went in and in this new opinion, that's it's more of it.
So that was sort of the emergency opinion.
This is the full opinion that she's putting out here.
She's saying, hold on a second.
We did a conference call and these guys are telling me that you're putting out press releases, but that the commissions haven't been sent forward yet.
The electors haven't been picked yet.
That so much of this certification hasn't been done yet.
So which is it?
You told me on the conference call that we had had, I guess they did a zoom call or something.
Um, that the certification process was not completed.
So that's something that you can tell she's very upset in this ruling and in this opinion that she makes.
But the bigger question, the bigger, you know, sort of mic drop moment, very late last night, it was, um, you know, almost, almost midnight when this thing dropped.
But she's saying, I think that their claims have merit.
This is part Alan Kelly and that they will most likely win on constitutional grounds.
And just to sort of reiterate this for everybody.
This, again, has to do with Pennsylvania's provision, like many other states, for what they call no-excuse universal absentee ballot voting, alright?
The Pennsylvania Constitution has a provision for what's called absentee ballots, and it says that there's only four categories, right?
We don't have to go through all four.
But each of them require a specific reason that you need to fit into.
It's kind of it's, you know, almost a similar legal situation as the indefinite confinement in Wisconsin, in the sense that you need a specific reason you're not in, you know, you're in the military, you can't be in the municipality, you're out, you're out of work, right?
There's there's some reason that you can't physically go and vote.
And that when they made that change in the Pennsylvania legislature, that they didn't have Constitutional authority to do so because the state constitution had already set those provisions in stone, and you can't change a measure of the constitution by a legislative act.
You just can't do it, which would then make this an unconstitutional provision, which would mean that those absentee ballots, those new absentee ballots that were put forward in 2020, were unconstitutional ballots.
And again, that's not Jack Posobiec saying that.
That's not OAN, War Room.
That is Commonwealth Court Judge Patricia McCullough in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
steve bannon
So here's the thing is you really don't see the they haven't put this kind of pure I guess in the six states they're doing it but at a federal level the the campaign is now just getting geared up to argue this exact same thing across I guess six states right because this is what Dershowitz was saying this is the purest This is what you try to do is just invalidate this entire thing.
These mail-in ballots were unconstitutional and you just got to throw out all of it, correct?
But my point is, in Pennsylvania alone, the campaign is not in federal court arguing the same thing.
They've got other arguments related to the ballots themselves, correct?
jack posobiec
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, there's really a flurry of legal activity that's going on right now.
Obviously, some are getting more headlines than others.
We had Mayor Giuliani on last night talking about all the updates in his case.
This is a completely separate case that's been going on, and I'm so glad that Sean Parnell is going to come in and he can explain this in even greater detail.
I'm just kind of giving you the broad wavetops, as we would say in the Navy.
But the idea is that if the Constitution says State Constitution says that you can only do it this way, then an act of the legislature can't trump the Constitution, right?
This is basic, you know, constitutionality.
Now, the question that's going to come up, and I've already had text messages about this this morning, is they're going to say, but Jack, the state Supreme Court in Pennsylvania is controlled by that Democrat supermajority, right?
They're like, Jack, come on, we've been following you.
We know the Democrats have that supermajority.
Well, the question then becomes, The final backstop, remember, listen to Senator Mastriano.
Listen to Colonel Mastriano.
The final backstop here isn't the state Supreme Court.
It's the legislature.
steve bannon
Now, let's pivot to that.
What are they going to do?
Unfortunately, Jack Posobiec, they're out of business at 5 o'clock on Monday, correct?
Because of this unique thing they do every other year, which I don't know why they do it in a year of the presidential election.
They do it every other year.
Where they go home on 30 November.
So they're essentially, unless they pass this, and can you give us, I know there's a incredible activity overnight, working 24 hours, there's this resolution, you've got another aspect of this to try to extend the Pennsylvania legislature.
What exactly is going on in that regard?
jack posobiec
Yeah, Pennsylvania is a little bit of an odd duck for a number of reasons.
We have a lot of, you know, they used to call them blue laws.
A lot of traditions that we just still sort of hold to from days gone by that are still around.
You know, this is probably something that had to do with the harvest season in the 1800s.
I mean, really, it's really stuff like that in Pennsylvania, right?
We have a lot of, a huge agricultural base in the state of Pennsylvania.
So if people haven't been there before, it ain't just Philadelphia, right?
So there's a lot of laws and traditions that traditionally accommodate that.
That being said, I have confidence that Senator Mastriano will find a way through this.
If he's got to go and get with the, you know, he's state senate side, but there's also state If he's got to get with them to hold an emergency session, if he's got to stand up there and filibuster to keep this session open, to keep it going, I have every confidence that he's going to find a way to do that and he's going to have the muster and the intestinal fortitude to be able to carry that forward.
steve bannon
Where do they even stand, and I know it's tough to ascertain what the details are because things are moving so fast, but right now on the resolution itself, because it's a two-fold thing, they've got to pass a resolution because there's a 1938 law where the legislature basically handed to the executive branch the abilities to certify and essentially put forward the slate of electors, which is obviously against the state constitution.
They have this resolution because they can't pass a law because the governor will veto it, so they can't have a statutory relief.
They're passing a resolution which actually holds that 1938 law in abeyance.
Where do we stand?
So that's kind of step one.
Where do you stand with, as we're here at 10, 15 in the morning, on Saturday morning, where do we stand on actually getting the first part of that achieved, the resolution itself?
jack posobiec
Look, people need to understand what Senator Mastriano is doing.
He is upsetting the apple cart.
The establishment in Pennsylvania and Harrisburg, same as the establishment in Washington, was ready to let this one go down in the history books as an L for President Trump.
They were going to move on with their lives.
They were already looking forward to 2022, the governor's mansion.
There's an open seat in Pat Toomey stepping down, so there's going to be an open seat there in Pennsylvania.
But Mastriano is very smart because he knows that in this resolution, they're going to have to vote on it.
And that means there's going to be a record with each representative and their names will be named as to whether or not they voted in the interests of their constituents and their voters or not.
Because he knows that while courage is also contagious, that with some of these politicians, if the backbone Wasn't you know, they've had it surgically removed because they've been in office for too long that there's other ways to motivate them.
And one is having them be motivated by their own voters who keep calling and that are eventually going to see this kind of pressure from places like this podcast from places like social media going in and saying, hey, how are you voting on the resolution?
It's an up down.
Yes or no.
That's what Mastrian was doing.
So he's upsetting the apple cart.
He's making a lot of people.
He's probably not making a lot of friends right now in Harrisburg.
And I think he knows that.
And I hope he doesn't get upset with me saying that publicly.
But I think he knows that what he's doing right now is ruffling a lot of feathers because he's being the one person.
If you go back to what we were saying in the immediate aftermath of the election, we said if somebody stands up in one of these states, And starts to actually open this thing and take a look under the hood of what was done.
Where did these votes come from?
Where did these spikes come from?
How do you lose all the bellwether counties and then still win the presidency, right?
Is Joe Biden supposed to be, you know, it's like someone wins the Super Bowl and gets the highest rushing and the highest yards and passing and everything, right?
All at once, right?
And they say, did he really do that?
Let's start looking at what he did play by play.
And that's what Mastriano is doing.
And the minute that he started doing that, he is sending the entire thing into a tailspin because they know that under scrutiny, this stuff will not hold up.
That's why you're seeing Democrats like Lieutenant Governor Fetterman this morning is up there saying, oh, well, you can't do that because of this deadline and you can't.
He's sputtering up there.
He's completely sputtering.
Because he knows that Mastriano is looking into the actual integrity of the election itself.
And that's what, you know, and I've got to piggyback Richard Barris, a huge hat tip for him by saying, look, they changed the laws.
They had ballots going everywhere.
They were flooding the zone with ballots.
That's what this comes down to.
Yes, there's some very concerning things with these election systems, but when it comes down to it, the main thing they changed was they threw ballots out all over the place.
That's what this case is about with Parnell.
That's why the case is going to the judge, and the judge doesn't need to learn anything.
She can say, look, these ballots were unconstitutional.
steve bannon
Jack, can you hang on for one second?
I want to take you on the other side just for a minute.
I got to ask you about the cowardice of all the establishment in these five states.
Jack Posobiec, One American News, will join us in a moment.
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steve bannon
Welcome back.
Our guest is Jack Posobiec.
We're going to be joined in a minute by Bernie Carrick, who's Rudy Giuliani's right-hand man, his wingman on all this.
Jack, I want to go to you.
Here's the question.
Bernie's coming on because it's just been announced last night that also they're going to have another one of these huge hearings now in Arizona on Monday, just like it was in Gettysburg on Wednesday.
But this is all being driven by the campaign and folks that understand what the Biden campaign has done here to steal this.
In Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and Arizona, you have Republican-controlled state legislatures.
In addition, in Arizona and Georgia, you control the executive branch.
I think what people are stunned about, and I'd love to hear your perspective before we go to Bernie, is this is a completely passive response besides, you know, people like Colonel Mastriano, besides people like Sergeant Rothmose in the House of Delegates there, Don Kiefer.
You've got individual patriots, and you have people, you have Fincham, State Senator Fincham out in Arizona.
You have individual patriots who are standing up and understanding this is bigger than Donald Trump.
But, you know, the Republican Party controls this.
This is going to be a month that lives in infamy for the Republican Party unless they grow a spine.
And I know it takes people like Bernie Kerrick and Rudy Giuliani to give them a spine or Donald Trump.
But it's stunning.
And quite frankly, the White House, the campaign, I think, is being as aggressive as it can be.
The White House has been exceedingly passive on this.
You know, and this is not about tweets.
People have got to be making phone calls and banging heads and saying, hey, we need not just a fair election, we need a legal election.
This is about bigger than us.
Pasovic, give us your perspective.
Pull the camera back.
I mean, where you see the establishment kind of standing up is in Wisconsin.
Now, I think the campaign could do a much better job, and I'll talk to Bernie about that, and Raheem later, about presenting what's going on in Wisconsin, which is a huge win for the Trump campaign, but you wouldn't know that by reading the stories that came out last night.
So, Pasovic, what is going on with the Republican Party here at the state level?
Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and Arizona?
jack posobiec
See, here's here's the thing that's going on here.
You've got you've got tactical situations, but you've also got a strategic situations, right?
And when I was in the intelligence community, we talked about there was tactical operational strategic.
So what Mastroianna has done is it's a strategic change.
What he did with Rudy.
Remember, Steve, think about it.
That hearing they held and for everything that it was, it was also a hearing.
It was a legislative session, right, of the committee.
That was the first hearing.
The number, the very first hearing there in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, that's been held on any of this.
So what Mastriano has done has shown the power of contrast.
He's shown it not only, right, to his constituents and his district there in South Central Pennsylvania, but he showed on a national stage, this is the power, this is, this is the Mike Lynn 4th Generation Warfare, 4GW.
He showed everybody what a state senator should look like.
He showed them how you should be acting.
He had that righteous indignation, right, that Andrew Breitbart talked about of saying, you guys can't come in here and change the rules and tell us that Donald Trump won or did better on every single metric than any other incumbent president and then still loses the race, right?
Something's wrong, right?
Something doesn't smell right in Denmark and we're going to fix that and we're going to look into it.
So he's showing At the entire party, he's showing the party, look, either you come with me because people are going to follow a leader like Mastriana, the same way that his soldiers followed him for 31 years.
They're going to follow him into victory or they're going to follow him potentially into a new type of party, right?
I don't know if it's the right time to call for a new party yet, but there is a new type of party forming and it's a party that's not about ideology or, you know, You know, Steve, when I listen to War Room, I don't hear you talking about the ideology of Steve Bannon and everybody has to adhere to it.
No, it's pragmatism, it's action, it's what's going on on the ground, what's happening in the markets, what's happening with the CCP.
How are we responding to it as a country?
That's been the shift.
We are no longer an ideology-driven party, an ideology-driven movement.
We are action results-based and results-oriented movement.
That's why veterans, people who have been in the military, which is a results-based environment, match up with it so well because we're used to being held to metrics and actually held to a standard other than some amorphous ideology we actually want to help people in the real world through real pragmatism that's where you get a guy like donald trump come in and honestly when i hear people talk about trump ism that's what i think about trump ism
versus republican ism of sitting there and saying oh i guess we lost again boys better luck next time Here, we'll give you the next iteration of John McCain or Mitt Romney.
It's Jeb Bush.
You'll love Jeb.
You'll love him.
Well, Paul Ryan wants to get back in the game.
No.
No.
steve bannon
We're done.
So, Jack, what's your Twitter handle?
I had people follow you through the day, particularly this weekend.
Ladies and gentlemen, you've got to know, there's so much going to be happening today and tomorrow in Wisconsin, in Arizona, in these places.
We're going to get to Carrick here in a second.
What's your Twitter handle, Jack?
jack posobiec
Yeah, go to Twitter, at Jack Posobiec, J-A-C-K-P-O-S-O-B-I-E-C.
There's a video for Heidfried Zakaria that we're playing.
Yeah, it's from September.
But he's outlining a constitutional process that hasn't changed, because the Constitution hasn't been amended since September.
He pointed out, this is constitutional.
Everything we're talking about, about the state legislatures, this is the Constitution.
This is the legal process.
This is the law of the land, from the founding fathers on forward.
Everything that is going on right now, Was set up for, in advance.
steve bannon
Yep.
jack posobiec
That's why the system is there.
That's why the Constitution was written the way it was.
steve bannon
The Pride of One America, Jack Posobiec.
Jack, thank you very much for taking time with the family on Saturday to connect with our audience.
I want to turn now, talk about results oriented, former police commissioner of New York City, former military, in the Army.
I'm sorry, Bernie, I may have totally insulted, were you Marine Corps or were you Army?
I think you were Army, right?
At Fort Leonard Ward?
Army.
bernard kerik
Army, Korea, and Fort Bragg.
Yep.
steve bannon
Fort Bragg.
Bernie, here's the question.
Tell us about Arizona, and I want to ask you that same question as we go through this on why the establishment's not picking up the ball and running with it.
Right now, you've got this huge briefing set up for Monday.
Tell us what's going on.
bernard kerik
Well, I think we're going to go into Arizona.
We're going to do the same thing we did in Pennsylvania, and that is to educate the legislators and let them know exactly what happened.
Because if you go, if you look online, if you look at the mainstream media, if you listen to even a number of politicians, nobody's telling the truth.
Nobody's talking about what really happened, about The machines themselves, the software, the overloading of ballots, you know, how do you have in Philadelphia over 130 or 40,000 ballots get shoved into the system between two and four in the morning?
In Pittsburgh, you have over 350,000.
How does that happen?
And why does it happen?
You know, so my analysis, our analysis at this point, is that The algorithm that was set up in these machines to basically have Joe Biden win was completely annihilated by the overwhelming numbers that Trump got.
And when that happened, they had to bring in ballots, extra ballots and more ballots.
And that's why we see the shoving of these ballots into the system.
And if you go down and you do an analysis of how many ballots were put into the system, It's physically impossible.
You know, these machines, Steve, they take in, they can take in about 3,000 per machine, 3,000 ballots.
Okay.
And with rejections and complications, you may get that number to 2,500 ballots per hour.
You know, to say we got a million and a half ballots through one city, one of the districts in, you know, in a couple hours is virtually impossible.
It can't happen.
So these are the things that we're going to be talking about in Arizona.
You know, Arizona also has the issue with the Sharpies, where they were handed out Sharpies to, you know, fill out the ballots.
And then later on, we come up with this with this video of the election officials basically telling people that Sharpies will not be picked up correctly.
They shouldn't be used.
Okay, why were they given out?
Why were they told to use them?
There's a bunch of stuff that's going to be looked at in Arizona.
And I think it's all about educating the legislators on two fronts.
What happened?
How and why?
And also, I got to be honest, Steve, what they have the ability and the obligation to do, because I realized after Pennsylvania, there's a number of legislators in these states.
They don't have a clue what their authority is, what they really have the right to do.
What they have an obligation to do.
And I think it's, you know, it's sad in a way.
I give an enormous amount of credit to Mastriano in Pennsylvania.
One, for calling the hearing, for putting it out there, and then for making it public and saying, look, this is, you know what, this is about Donald Trump in this election, but more so, it's about this country.
It's about how we move forward.
It's about how we're gonna make sure that This constitutional republic stays the way it was created by our Founding Fathers and without men and women like him?
This country is doomed.
steve bannon
Bernie, I know you're pressed for time, but can you just stay over for the commercial?
It'll be two minutes.
I'm gonna come back to you.
I gotta ask you a question about the machines when we get back.
Also, just to pull the camera back and broader, Bernie Kerik, former police commissioner, he is, for those who don't know it, he has been Rudy Giuliani's wingman in coordinating all of it, particularly the investigative part of it.
There's nobody, if you want somebody to really investigate, You want Bernie Kerrick on top of things.
That's where you're seeing things happen right now.
That's where you're seeing real evidence come up.
That's where you're seeing real witnesses.
Affidavits.
unidentified
All of it.
steve bannon
It's Bernie Kerrick.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
Short break.
Bernie Kerrick will join us on the other side of that.
We're going to bring in Raheem after that to get a perspective on exactly what's going on state by state.
Game is on right now.
And it's happening.
Just read the opinion of the judge in Pennsylvania last night at midnight.
Be back with Bernie Kerrick in a moment.
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steve bannon
Welcome back to the War Room.
We've got Bernie Kerrick, who's the wingman for Rudy Giuliani, on the investigative side, pulling everything together.
It's another huge presentation in Arizona, like it was on November 25th in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.
Bernie, here's the question.
Are we running out of time?
You're trying to process these lawsuits.
You know, Rudy's in charge of that, the overall head of that and the strategist for that.
You've got the state legislatures.
You've got investigations.
You know, Monday, we're essentially a week out, eight days out from the safe harbor and 14 days or 15 days out from really the stake in the ground, which is the Electoral College has to meet in the state capitals.
Right now, in moving all these forward as quickly as you can, are you guys just going to run out of runway?
bernard kerik
Well, listen, we hope not to, but I can tell you it's overwhelming.
I mean, the people here are doing 16, 18 hours a day.
The investigators, the tech guys, we're bringing them in from different places to go through the numbers.
Um, that's, that's a task in itself.
Um, the depositions or affidavits that we're taking, you know, I think there were some 240, uh, for Pennsylvania alone.
Um, it's a task and it's, and it's, uh, it's difficult, but you know what, Steve, we don't have a choice.
Nobody has a choice here.
This has to be done.
And whether we do it by numbers, whether we do it by legislators, we do it by, by the courts.
Um, This has got to get resolved and it's got to get resolved where every legal vote counts.
The illegal votes get thrown out.
And there's, and I'm going to say this, I predict or I think Donald Trump won by millions of votes over what's reported in the biggest landslide of presidential history.
steve bannon
Bernie, I want to go to a technical aspect of this.
You know, Sidney Powell has this lawsuit, which I call kind of the free option, because it's a broader conspiracy with the CCP and other bad actors, and it gets down to this company and the software, etc.
You and Rudy are moving forward on a state-by-state basis, and maybe across states, but to really prove something so that electors Either in competition or can't be seated by the 14th, so that gets kicked into the House of Representatives and we fight this out in January.
But to go back to the core of that argument, besides the basic ballot stuffing we've seen in other areas, in these states, to go back to these machines, the question I think immediately is, don't you have, and you're a police commissioner in New York City,
If you guys have not been able to produce enough probable cause, from what you know now, what Sidney Powell knows, to have a local district attorney, a state's attorney general, and I look down here, I see Republicans, some Republicans, or a guy like Bill McSwain, I think it is, in Philadelphia, U.S.
Attorney.
Forget what, if barring these guys are passive, in your mind, do you have enough probable cause to go in and seize some of these machines?
Because, correct me if I'm wrong, The way that they're kind of set up, if he sees a couple of machines and start going through them, the particulars of those machines will spread out into the entire situation.
So, Mr. Police Commissioner, given that you've been grinding this, and this is not, you know, some guys got these wild, you know, the Martians and all this, you're as practical as you get about what can actually go into a courtroom.
So, Mr. Police Commissioner, do we have enough probable cause to go seize these machines now?
And if we don't, why don't we?
bernard kerik
Well, I think one of the big problems here is the lack of courage by a number of people out there, whether it's legislators and And district attorneys are US attorneys.
But I will tell you this, Steve, and I don't want to break news here.
But I will tell you, I'm extremely confident that by Monday or Tuesday, we will have probable cause to go after a number of machines.
And that will be based on let me just keep it there.
I'm pretty confident by Monday or Tuesday, we'll have PC.
steve bannon
Do you believe, in your mind, that they could wipe these machines before you did that?
Are you comfortable that you would be able to tell that?
So, no one that would take the money to do it and people would move afterwards.
bernard kerik
Yeah, that could be a problem, but I can tell you, the people that we have, the forensic scientists and the examiners, even if they try to wipe them, there's a really good chance we can get what's on there off.
And I will also say this, Steve.
We have people coming forward now that work in the election commissions committees that have come forward that have come forward to tell us there were things that happened on those machines that they they grabbed or they have access to or they captured or they photoed that can be extremely helpful.
So that's that's a part of the process as well.
steve bannon
Yeah, you definitely broke news, so you think you'll have probable cause by Monday.
Bernie, Carrick, I want to thank you, and I think the American people want to thank you, for the team.
And people don't understand, you guys are working 18-20 hours a day, through Thanksgiving, every day, grinding on very limited resources, and just doing an incredible job under intense scrutiny and time pressure.
So I want to speak for the people here in our audience and say thank you so much for what you're doing to assist America's mayor, the one and only Rudy Giuliani, and the President of the United States, and the American Republic. Thanks, Steve. When the history of this time is written, ladies and gentlemen, remember it's not going to be any one thing.
You go back and study, like, the fall of the Roman Republic, or you go back and study history of what happened to certain countries, you know, certain countries and powers that were at the top of their game and all of a sudden went away from them.
You'll see that it came down to a lack of confidence in themselves, a lack of courage.
And that's what you're seeing here.
That's what you're seeing here.
If people had the courage of the Bernie Kerricks of the world, or the Rudy Giuliani's, who didn't care if they're going to be mocked or ridiculed or laughed at, but had the courage to just grind it out to get to the truth and to not back down.
If these state legislatures had it, If they had the courage of Colonel Mastriano, if they had the courage of Don Kieffer, if they had the courage of the witnesses, one of the witnesses we're going to bring up today, if they had that courage, this would all work out.
That's what it's going to come down to.
There's no one technical aspect of this.
There's no one ballot here or no one series of how they stole this.
On the macro, it's if we have the courage, this will happen.
Remember, there's this great, I think it was a Scottish Mountain climber.
I think his name was William H. Murray.
I'll pull the quote up later.
Talked about commitment.
Once you commit, once you commit, fully commit to something, providence comes in on your side and all types of things happen.
You get access to people, you know, events happen.
Once you commit, and the problem we have here is very simple.
It's about commitment.
Now we have some people that are a thousand percent committed.
But, mainly you have people in authority.
People that have the fiduciary responsibility that are not committed.
In fact, they're trying to look the other way.
Remember, it took 22 days after the election to actually get the first hearing, which was by the heroism of Colonel Mastriani and others in Pennsylvania that finally allowed Donald Trump and his campaign to come forward and start to put forward the receipts.
Okay, I want to now go to Raheem Kassam.
Our wingman here on the War Room.
Raheem, overnight, one thing I want to talk about before I get down to this topic is to go back about Wisconsin in media and narrative.
How did what is a major victory coming out of Wisconsin, and Wisconsin is an example of heroism.
Wisconsin is an example of just average citizens who are not going to back up and are coming up with an understanding that the fraud there is so in your face.
Right?
And what they've found is so in your face, and it's now starting to be reported out.
It'll totally be reported out by Sunday.
But, when you look at the media overnight, it's like a laughable defeat for Donald Trump, in that he paid $3 million for this thing, and it's going to come out 122 votes worse.
And although that's not the real story, that's not the reality, that's the way it's being put out by all the wire services.
And look, I'm the first to jump on guys about putting out fake news, but I don't see any counter from the campaign here.
I don't see, at least maybe it's happening, but I haven't seen it.
I don't know if guys got briefed up.
I haven't seen, you know, memos to the media, media alerts.
So, I want to ask you, what exactly is going on here?
Wisconsin, which is a huge victory, is being shown today on Saturday morning as another clown show defeat for President Trump and his forces.
raheem kassam
Yeah, that's right.
And there are two elements of this.
I will say, I mean, I have a lot of frustrations, you know, running a news team.
We pull in all sorts of other people to help us out to do write-ups, legal minds, all of that.
And it's clear that nobody's being briefed up by the campaign.
Nobody's being briefed up by the lawyers.
i think that goes back to previous comments that you know there are so few people out there uh... who are not sure operating with just other cowardice right now that it's hard to pull uh... a columns team together i've seen flashes of it here and there but even the you know somebody like me i i i'm not being served any documents that he lied to the talking point any quote anything that you'd expect the media to be furnished with uh... in this scenario instead we're all kind of scrambling around
to go on google alerts on the following what life logs we trust before which twitter accounts we trusted and tried to piece together uh... think about what's going on at the one part of it and that is a critique of of of that at least the communications coming out of uh... uh...
president trump's teams across the country but the second part of it is basically goes back to remember the establishment media treated uh... the uh... ccp virus when we first when we first launch the show we came across it uh... they had no idea what they were talking about Their health experts and medical experts were absolutely useless on this subject.
All they wanted to do was parrot the talking points of the bureaucrats.
And of course, we've seen how far that's got them.
So there's two parts of it.
One is genuine media incompetence, and the other is the campaign's lack of activity in this area.
Look, I think it can work for them, however.
All that being said, a lot of this stuff will creep up upon the people that would otherwise assail them if the information was better known.
So perhaps this softly, softly approach is almost somewhat intentional, not to crow about victories, but just to keep on racking them up behind the scenes.
steve bannon
But don't, I mean, you're fighting two things here.
You're fighting an information war as much as you're fighting a war for justice, right?
You've got to have the information.
Right now, the information war by the other side is pretty overwhelming, right?
And now, don't get me wrong, we won, and I think Bernie Kerrick's right.
I think President Trump won a massive landslide, but in holding that victory, Right?
In holding that victory, a couple things have got to happen.
And one of those is the courts, but the other is politics.
And the politics is, this is why you're losing the narrative.
This is one of the reasons you have cowardice in Pennsylvania by the leadership and state legislature.
This is why you have cowardice in Michigan.
This is why you have cowardice in Georgia.
And this is why you have cowardice in Arizona.
And the Trump campaign, led by Carrick and Rudy and Jenna and others, Are driving this forward and doing great, but until you shift the narrative, not by story, by narrative, that shows you that we have momentum and there's real momentum here.
Everything from the judge last night to what's going on in the ground, you know, particularly finding additional information.
Finding, as we call it, more receipts.
But so, Rahim, I tell you what, Rahim, I need you to stay over just for a second.
Let's sell a few ads and then we're going to come back.
But I want to come back and ask about the narrative war, which is a, you know, a subset of this, of courage.
If you want courage to be contagious, one, you've got to get the narrative right so that guys understand that they're not going to be hanging out there on a limb.
Okay.
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steve bannon
There's an overall larger fight that we're engaged in, right?
But we have something immediately that's upon us.
Because time waits for no man.
On the 14th of December, the Electoral College is going to meet.
Okay?
And if the Electoral College meets without all of this being worked through about how the Biden campaign, working with others, stole this massive victory of Donald Trump, Joe Biden is going to be inaugurated high noon on the 20th of January.
People better start to embrace that.
And I'm tired.
I don't want to hear any more about Soros or Bill Gates or AOC or Omar or any of that.
That's all that's all interesting.
It's all nice.
It's all interesting.
That's for another day.
We gotta sort this out now, because we are burning daylight.
So Rahim, the problem we have is that there is a handful, and I mean a handful, of courageous individuals that are putting their careers on the line, putting their sacred honor on the line, to go all in on this.
And I think the President's gotta go all in on this.
He's got a video out about a tiger being attacked by jackals and hyenas.
The President of the United States has got to start banging some heads.
Donald Trump is the man.
He is the alpha male.
He is the carnivore.
Well, that's what we need right now.
This thing not just can be won, it must be won.
And it's out there.
The evidence is out there.
The evidence of the landslide is out there.
The evidence of the steal is out there.
This can happen.
But we're not even building the narrative case.
What happened in Wisconsin is heroic.
What happened in Wisconsin is also the reason the mainstream media doesn't report it.
They got caught red-handed by solid citizens who would not back down.
Wouldn't know that from the press this morning.
Wouldn't know that from the media this morning.
So Raheem, you're a guy who's made your career in politics doing big things like Brexit, doing big things like really leading to the conservative takeover of the UK government, right?
What is going on here?
Why can't we build a narrative that starts to give some backbone and spine to these legislatures in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Georgia, in Arizona, where victory lies.
It all lies right there.
If you do that, Trump's victory is confirmed.
End of discussion.
raheem kassam
I think a lot of people, I mean look what you saw last week with the Pennsylvania hearing, clearly Rudy gets it, Jenna gets it, it's about wrestling control back of the narrative, of the discussion, you know putting up hours upon hours upon hours of witness testimony for the world to be able to go in and watch it.
And if you look at the numbers, at least on YouTube, on Real America's Voice, on the Right Side Broadcasting Network, the numbers of people who watch those things are absolutely formidable.
But there are a lot of people out there right now just killing time, right?
the art lot of people in the rnc a lot of people the campaign of the people of the local campaign the kind of checked out the bailout door of the day off for the day off to the election and it just kind of killing time until they get to shop their resumes around capital hill again and i always say you cannot kill time without injuring eternity right you cannot kill time without injuring eternity and anybody who's out there killing time right now waiting to shop their resumes around should be shunned they should be shunned for the fact they never had the fight
and they will fight like that for every time in the future they will never support the conservative cause they'll always back down so here's the thing okay that's the that's the prognosis that's the situation as it is how do you solve that?
number one as i said last night and i believe you did as well what we're seeing from pennsylvania overnight with this with this new opinion that shows why the president needed to be out there rallying this whole weekend You could very easily pull together a narrative of victory if you have that opinion coming down from Patricia McCulloch, and you've got the president up there on a stage, and suddenly the world takes another look at this and goes, oh, wait a minute.
There's something going on here and there's something to this.
The courts are saying, stop, you can't certify these things.
And we look like we're going to the state legislatures in Pennsylvania, look like we're going to the Supreme Court on other cases as well.
But instead of that, I mean, look, I'll break some news here.
I think the president should get rid of the advisors around him who are telling him to kill time, to bide his time, to stand back, to step back, to watch how it all plays out.
I think they should be fired.
I don't think they're doing any justice to human history right now, let alone to the president of the United States and those who voted for him.
So as we proceed, we're gonna get another series of hearings taking place this week.
Again, resting control back of the narrative, but I just wish there were 50 Rudis and 50 Jenners right now pushing all of that forward.
steve bannon
If you go to Arizona on Monday, and let's say you're in Michigan, Nevada, I think, is on Thursday, evidentiary hearing.
Let's say you move up Georgia and you go to Michigan.
Is there enough time?
I'm saying the President goes for rallies and you're doing hearings.
In your mind, is there enough time?
Clearly you're not going to make the safe harbor, but that I think is flexible.
Is there enough time to get this sorted by the 14th of December?
raheem kassam
Just right now.
Just I mean, if we if we had that situation taking place today, I would have said yes, that absolutely is right now.
It's it's hairline.
It's right on the knife edge.
You're going to get and the worst thing about it is and look, I'm not trying to be pessimistic towards the audience about this at all.
People know that I'm Always upbeat.
I'm always looking for the victories.
But here's the thing that nobody wants to see, is that you get to that date of the 14th and then you get a couple of days after that and you go, oh my goodness, we had all of this information and we couldn't pull it together in time because this person in Pennsylvania didn't get their act together or this person in Georgia was too timid to come forward.
And it becomes very clear that you had a victory in the hand And you didn't use it.
So right now it's just.
It's on a knife edge.
That's why I implore everybody, if you have even a tangential ability to get involved, get involved.
steve bannon
Raheem, National Pulse, what are you guys reporting?
You've got about 30 seconds.
What are you guys reporting and how did they get to you and the National Pulse?
raheem kassam
We have the new data coming out of Michigan that we've put up on site.
steve bannon
We've also got the latest uh... suit uh... the the uh... opinion by patricia the judge mcculloch there as well and the latest from uh... uh... so it's a must-read are all up on the national polls right now if you can go look at it bring this on thank you for taking time or today to uh... to of his with the audience thank you cn money If you remember the film, one of the things we try to always do is do process and do critical path and be able to look downrange.
You've got to always look downrange at how things have to converge.
You know, you may be in a situation now that's like that movie Bridge Too Far, right?
That the 14th is the bridge at Arnhem.
So we're going to try to avoid that.
But people have to get on point.
You can't ask any more of Carrick.
You can't ask any more of Jenna Ellis.
You can't ask any more of Rudy.
They're working 18, 20 hours a day, seven days a week.
As we come to a climactic, I guess, resolution of all this.
The next two weeks are going to be as intense as any in American political history.
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