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Bannons WarRoom Ep 539: Thanksgiving Special Pt. 1 (w/ Larry Schweikart and Chad Robichaux)
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Sadly, however, there appear to be few commemorations, parades, or festivals to celebrate the Pilgrims this year.
Perhaps in part because revisionist charlatans of the radical left have lately claimed the previous year as America's true founding.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
The Pilgrims and their Compact, like the Founders and their Declaration, form the true foundation of America.
So count me in Coolidge's count.
On this anniversary, a century ago, he proclaimed, it is our duty and the duty of every true American.
To reassemble in spirit in the cabin of the Mayflower, rededicate ourselves to the Pilgrim's great work by re-signing and reaffirming the document that has made mankind of all the Earth more glorious.
Some, too many, may have lost the civilizational self-confidence needed to celebrate the Pilgrims.
Just today, for instance, the New York Times called this story a myth and a caricature.
In the food section, no less.
Maybe the politically correct editors of the debunked 1619 Project are now responsible for pumpkin pie recipes at The Times as well.
But I, for one, still have the pride and confidence of our forebears.
So here today, I speak in the spirit of that cabin, and I reaffirm that old compact.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome.
It's Thanksgiving Day, the 26th of November, the year of our Lord, 2020.
A very special Thanksgiving, special.
I want to thank the America's Voice Network, Real America's Voice, for helping us today in putting this together.
We've been so much engaged in the combat of the pandemic and then of this the impeachment in the pandemic and then 2020 and now this process of trying to steal this election that we wanted on today to do something special.
We've got very special guests.
We have Larry Swickert.
The author of really, I think, one of the most seminal works out there, The Patriot's History of the United States.
Also, Heather McDonald from the Manhattan Institute.
She's talking about an amazing article she wrote, a piece she wrote comparing Plymouth to Salem, and really in their conduct around the CCP virus or the COVID-19 virus.
And also Peter Wood, one of the top scholars in the country to talk about Thanksgiving Day and the pilgrims.
Plus, a number of people who are dedicating their lives to helping veterans and others To give thanks on this Thanksgiving Day.
I want to start first with an old colleague and friend, Larry Swickert.
Larry, and I want to introduce you in the appropriate way, that's why I wanted to tee off with Tom Cotton and really what you did, which I think was so amazing.
You know, one of the reasons we have these kids that really don't know anything about America, they've been programmed with this propaganda from this book by Howard Zinn, The People's History of the United States.
He's a Marxist and takes a cultural Marxist view of our country.
You and your partner decided to do something about that and you wrote a book that was many, many times a bestseller.
It's been reissued, it's been commemorative editions, etc.
But I want to get your sense of, before we get to the 1619 Project and the 1620 Project, or 1620 versus 1619, go back, what was it about Howard Zinn's book that's been so destructive Well, Zinn's book is engaging.
larry schweikart
He writes in a very interesting style.
He takes incidents and graphs them together, hodgepodge.
It's not quite correct to say he doesn't have sources.
He just doesn't let you know where they are.
He'll tell you about a book, but won't give you a page number.
And when you finally do look at the source, you find out that he's cut and pasted things together to make his stories say exactly what he wants them to say, rather than say the truth.
And not that there's no negative stuff in some of the history of America, obviously there's some bad stuff there, but it's also heavily weighted with the good stuff, and this is what Zinn deliberately left out.
We did not start off to write a counter book to Howard Zinn.
What had happened was that Mike Allen and I had been talking about the status of American history textbooks and how horrible they were, and we decided to write a book that we could teach from.
We never thought we were even going to sell it.
I mean, when we put it together, the original book was over 2,000 pages.
Currently it's about 900 pages and it's still quite a read, right?
So we thought we were going to have to sell it out of the back of a van somewhere, you know, like plastic bags, plastic straws, you know, Patriot's history.
So we finally got a publisher, which was Sentinel, was just starting off a conservative imprint then called Sentinel.
And they thought this would be the perfect book to start it off with.
And we did really well.
And we kind of hung around in good sales and reasonably good Royalties for a number of years and then Glenn Beck got a hold of the book in 2010 and he began holding it up.
I'll pull it back here.
He began holding it up every single night.
You got to get this book.
It's the best history book ever written and so on and so forth.
So that's what really made it a bestseller.
We owe the bestseller status to Beck, but it has just kept going and we are currently in our 31st printing.
With over half a million copies in print.
That's not bad for a thousand page history book.
steve bannon
Let me ask you, and by the way, during your interview over the next couple of segments, we are going to put the book up there.
Everybody should get this book, and you should get it.
There's also an edition for children.
You should get this and read it to your kids.
This is the real history of America.
What's interesting, you said your first draft was a thousand pages long.
You had to cut it by a thousand pages.
What were the types of things that you...
2000.
2000.
But what did you have to cut out?
The extra thousand pages were made up of what?
larry schweikart
Cartoons.
No.
What happened was that we just really got involved in telling stories of American heroes like Mike Fink and Davy Crockett and people like that.
What did the colonists really wear?
What was their life like?
And so what we did was we took all that extra material And since 2010, when the book made a bestseller list, I've created a website called the wildworldofhistory.com, wildworldofhistory.com.
And we made a full curriculum to go with the book, including teacher guides, student guides, tests, and me doing 22 video lessons for each chapter of the book.
And all of the extra stuff that we had in the book back then is Is on the site free in different parts of the site.
steve bannon
So let's go to the, I want to go to what Tom Cotton was talking about.
And Tom Cotton made a very big deal about talking about this, which many of our audience may not know, the 1619 Project.
The 1619 Project is kind of, one of the reasons I think it came about is really as a counter to you because Glenn Beck and of course your own writings made the book so popular.
Tell us about what is the 1619 Project, what does the date mean, and why is it caught on among the elites in this country and the progressive left?
larry schweikart
Well, the 1619 Project refers, it's a project by the New York Times Magazine and their editorial staff, and it refers to the date at which slaves were first brought into the colonies.
What's also interesting about that date is that's also the date that we had the first representative assembly in Virginia.
So, the 1619 Project has created this whole curriculum about how there is no American exceptionalism, how American exceptionalism is all tainted by the introduction of slavery and slaves.
And here's the problem with that, Steve, and here's why Cotton is right.
We really date America's founding from 1620 and the arrival of the Pilgrims.
And the reason for that is that in Patriot's History of the United States, we have the four pillars of American exceptionalism.
What is it that makes America different from every other country in the world at all times?
I mean, nobody ever has had these four factors when they started as a country, and that is A Christian, mostly Protestant, religious tradition.
And the reason that's important is it's bottom-up, not top-down, as both the Anglicans and the Catholics were.
So, from the get-go, our religious tradition was revolutionary.
It was bottom-up.
Second pillar is common law, which says that God puts the law in the hearts of the people, and the people elect or select rulers who will carry out what they already believe.
We can see how far askance we are from that today, right?
Third one is private property with written titles and deeds.
Very important.
Large parts of Africa to this day do not have written titles and deeds.
And the last one is a free market.
The pilgrims, when they came ashore, already had common law, already had a Christian Protestant religion.
Within 10 years of setting up, by 1630, they had a capitalist mill operating there, and they came off the boat with private property with written titles and deeds.
So America was exceptional from the get-go because of Plymouth, and it had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery or 1619 in Virginia.
steve bannon
My producers are giving me a heads up.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We'll be back with Larry Swickert.
When we come back, I want to talk about the 400th landing of the Pilgrims, a seminal moment in American history, really started American history.
Forgotten about.
Not talked about.
No articles about it.
Now, I realize part of it's the virus, but we'll get into that when we return.
Larry Slykot, the author of the Patriots' History of the United States.
We'll be back with us on the War Room on our Thanksgiving special when we return in just a moment.
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steve bannon
Welcome back to our Thanksgiving special.
It's the 26th of November, the year of our Lord 2020.
Our very special guest to kick off our special is Larry Swickert, the co-author of one of the most popular history books ever written, and one that has had a huge impact in the United States, particularly among conservatives, giving them something not only to read themselves, but to give for their children.
A lot of homeschool parents I know teach this to the kids, the Patriot's History of the United States.
We started the show off with Tom Cotton, who was in the well of the Senate, talking about this, but we just had the 400th anniversary of essentially not the founding of the nation, but the beginning of the American experience, right?
It led us to become the greatest republic in the history of man.
And I understand we've got a CCP virus and we're in the middle of a pandemic and all that, but It wasn't exactly leading up to be some sort of celebratory moment that the whole nation would be galvanized on something as important as the 400th anniversary of the Pilgrims coming.
So before we get into the details of the Pilgrims, Larry, how did that happen?
And I realize things got bumped to next year, but it wasn't really leading up to some sort of climactic moment.
Why is this?
larry schweikart
Well, I've been working with a group called Patriot Mission for a number of years and Over a year ago, they had this big thing planned for Plymouth, a big celebration around this date.
And of course, this got knocked off, but their concern already over a year ago was no one was talking about this.
This was not an issue because obviously the New York Times and the leftists don't want to talk about Plymouth.
They want to keep the focus on slavery and Virginia.
So you could have seen this coming a year ago, which we did, and we had already started trying to generate some interest when the China virus hit and kind of threw us all out of kilter.
steve bannon
What was the Patriot mission planning on?
How were you going to commemorate the 400th anniversary of the landing?
larry schweikart
Well, they had all sorts of experts from Plymouth, people who'd done many of the exhibits up there in Plymouth.
They were going to take a tour, large tours of people, the year before they had done D-Day, and it was a very successful tour, including a lot of young people who apparently were just mesmerized by D-Day because they hadn't heard anything about it.
I mean, Private Ryan is over a decade old now.
So, same thing here.
If you think about it, there's virtually no movies, no television series about Plymouth It's an uncelebrated part of our pop culture, which is really kind of interesting in and of itself.
They're remaking bad Christmas movies, they're remaking bad TV series that are only going to be worse, but nobody can find time to do a real story about Plymouth.
steve bannon
Well, let's tell the story of that.
What always strikes me is the heroism of these people and the tenacity and the long odds against it.
So walk people through.
Why is Plymouth important and why is it important for the physicality of what these people actually came and did?
larry schweikart
Well, any crossing of the Atlantic back then in a small boat like the Mayflower is You're taking your life into your hands, you know, and so that by itself was an act of great courage.
These people did not tell the king that they were coming over for reasons of religious persecution.
They weren't going to go in and say to the king, you're a heretic, you know, and you're damned doomed and going to hell.
That's not going to work.
So they had to tell him they were coming over for economic reasons to start an economic colony.
What stands out to me And of course, they parked the boat offshore for a while.
They parked the Mayflower offshore while they scouted out the land.
They found some uninhabited land.
It's a lie that they took the land from the Indians.
There was nobody there.
The Indians had already moved out due to a plague that had occurred sometime earlier, which was not brought by the white man.
So what really strikes me is how they come ashore.
They've got some Farming skills.
They aren't farmers by trade.
There's a lot of them who are seamstresses and tanners and things like that.
But they start off as a socialist colony, and so did Jamestown, by the way.
They start off as a socialist colony, and everybody is drawing from a common grain store, and they farm fields that are called the commons, and they fail.
You know, it's a typical tale of socialism.
They start off and William Bradford, who, of course, wasn't governor then, he's still a young man, would become governor.
But he wrote, it was as if we thought we were wiser than God himself to do this socialist thing.
And so after about a year or so of this and having no food to speak of, barely avoiding starvation, Governor Carver says, that's it.
Every man for himself here.
Here's your grain.
Here's your land.
Now, go to it.
And they had an abundance at the end of that first growing season.
And that's when they invite the Indians to share in their abundance.
And it's not that the Indians saved the colony, although certainly Squanto and other Indians did give them tips on finding more American types of plants to use.
But the amazing thing is that they exited socialism and started a true market-based system that provided abundance in just one year.
That's the story of the Pilgrims.
steve bannon
I want to go back about the crossing itself and the boat.
How small was the vessel?
It started off with two.
I remember one had to go back and they had to turn back themselves.
And then they took all the passengers.
How many people actually came across the North Atlantic?
And I know the weather was terrible, but how cramped were they?
And then how many actually got to shore?
larry schweikart
You know, I can't tell you the size of the Mayflower.
I should know this offhand.
But there were over a hundred people, and by the way, not all of them were pilgrims.
For your audience who doesn't know, England at this time was a slight majority of Puritans who had separated from the Anglican Church.
And some of the Puritans thought they could purify England from within, and so they stayed there.
But there was another group The separatists from a town called Scrooby, who thought that you could not reform England from within.
So they had to separate, and these are the ones that came across, and that's why they're called the Pilgrims.
All Puritans are not Pilgrims, but all Pilgrims are Puritans, if that helps the viewers.
So about half of these hundred or so, 125 or so people, were pilgrims, the other half were not.
They were just ordinary people, and the pilgrims would refer to them as strangers.
Stranger danger, right?
And so this is another key point that before they get off the Mayflower, having endured this, you know, horrible North Atlantic crossing, and they haven't come ashore yet, and the strangers are saying to the pilgrims, wait a minute, we don't want to Leave one tyranny to enter into another.
What are our rights over here?
And they said, don't worry about it.
We will draft a Mayflower Compact in which all people are equal members of the community, strangers and Puritans alike.
You don't have to be a member of the church to be a part of the community and to have equal rights.
So these are key Key things about coming over here that we set up a totally new form of government just when those people got off the boat.
steve bannon
This I want to focus on the Mayflower Compact.
I mean, how did that, because you read the document, it's very simple, but it kind of lays out, and it's a forerunner of the Declaration of Independence, and even the thought that went into the Constitution.
Was it intense pressure on the vessel itself to say, hey, we didn't come over here to be part of a theocracy.
We need to know as Englishmen, we've got certain rights.
How did it get negotiated, and how did it look?
It's a very simple document, but I believed everybody signed onto it.
larry schweikart
Right.
The very first thing they wanted to do was, remember they were blown off course, and they were supposed to land closer to Virginia, but they're blown way off course, and technically they're engaging in treason, it could be argued, because they're landing at a place where they were not given a grant to land, right?
The very first thing they do is they have all these statements in the Mayflower Compact about God and about the king.
And, oh great king, we recognize that you're in charge of everything and we don't mean to displease you and we're not here to rebel.
And so they pledge their fealty to the king.
And then in the latter part of the document, always again couched in language of God, In the latter part, that's when they address the concerns of the strangers and they say that the governor will be what?
Elected by the body, which is quite different again from Jamestown.
This is entirely different from what happens at Jamestown.
They come over and their governor is appointed by the king.
They have socialism.
They don't have a free market economy.
They don't have private property rights.
They are not Puritans, they are top down Anglicans, and they don't have common law.
So everything about Jamestown is 100% opposite of the four pillars that found Americanism.
steve bannon
You mean, oh, okay.
But Jamestown, they came over, they were more entrepreneurs, right?
They're a bunch of guys looking for gold and entrepreneurs.
They didn't come over as really any big religious community.
I want to go back to the Pilgrims.
When they come ashore, they've signed the Mayfair Compact.
Everybody kind of knows what the deal is.
When they come ashore, As Jack Maxey has talked about a lot, they try this thing of social, the first thing they're going to do is socialism.
Walk us through how that failed and then how that led with their, I don't know, partnership with the Indians, but it led to the first Thanksgiving.
larry schweikart
Well, as I mentioned before, they don't have private property yet.
And so they're all farming what are called the commons.
This was something that It was common in England too, the commons.
So everybody will go out and it's marks, you know, from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
And if you're a big guy who eats a lot, you get to go get a lot of corn and maybe you don't work that hard every day.
So you're taking more than, say, your fair share of what you're working for.
The same thing happened with withdrawing from the corn bin or from other commonly held food stocks.
Every person got basically the same amount.
And that wasn't working.
So Carver divided up the common lands and assigned a portion to each family head.
And so each person now has private property with written titles and deeds.
And by the end of the growing season, now they have A surplus.
I forget Bradford's exact words, but he said we had fish and fowl and more than enough meat and so on and so forth.
And the Indians, especially Squanto, had been generous to them in showing them how to raise certain American variants of plants and so forth.
And so when they cooked up the Thanksgiving meal, they invited the Indians.
Now, it's very interesting.
This was not the first Thanksgiving.
It's the first Thanksgiving celebrated with a governor's declaration as an official holiday.
But they had had Thanksgivings many, many times since they had been there in the first, what, three years.
They'd had Thanksgiving celebrations.
So it is the Thanksgiving, but it's one of many Thanksgivings that the pilgrims held.
steve bannon
Oh, you mean because of their religious nature, they were continually giving thanks to God in some sort of formal way?
larry schweikart
Yes, exactly.
steve bannon
Well, we've got about a minute left.
Yeah, we're just having a little trouble with the clock here.
Larry, if you just bear with us, I'm going to take another commercial break here and then come back to you.
Larry Schweikart is the co-author of one of the most popular history books, and the book has had more impact than most.
That is the Patriot's History of the United States.
I cannot recommend it enough.
If you haven't read it yourself, you should get it, and you should read it, and you should think about it.
As you read it.
In addition, it is one of those things that is written in a great style, and Larry's a fantastic teacher, but it's also something you should get for your kids.
Read it out loud, or let them read it.
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steve bannon
Welcome back to our Thanksgiving special.
This is Stephen K. Bannon and the team at The War Room.
It's the 26th of November, Thanksgiving Day.
Hope you're out and about, either heading out to a football game or to relatives in this time of a plague.
Our guest is Larry, our first guest.
We're going to have Heather McDonald on later from the Manhattan Institute.
We're going to have Also, Peter Wood from the commemoration of Thanksgiving, etc.
I've got Larry Swickert on now, the Patriot's History co-author.
Larry, before I get back into the book and history and the Pilgrims, I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up the current politics.
I know you're a guy who in 16 really did a great job of doing analytics for us independently.
You weren't associated with the campaign, but you did a great job.
in your own analytical work in 18, and I know you did a great deal of work on 20.
I believe you're out in Arizona now. Have you relocated to Arizona?
Yes, I have been.
In your sense, put this into historical perspective.
What happened here on this election?
And for the history of the country, in the history of the Republic, I mean, you're the author of the great history book, The Patriot's History.
What are we going through right now?
larry schweikart
Well, in talking about this, let me plug this, that the most recent 15th anniversary edition of Patriot's History goes through the first two years of Trump.
And as you know, in 2018, the Republicans got clobbered because A, 50-some incumbent Republicans left their House seats.
B, there were 30 races decided by under two points.
So we were really cautious in looking at that this year.
And me and Richard Beres, who's become something of a star in the polling world since the 2020 election, we had Florida nailed absolutely right down to the percent Right down to how much black support Trump would get and Hispanic support.
And what we found was that they really, really cleaned up the voter rolls in Florida, actually after Jeb Bush in the 2000 debacle.
So where we had accurate data, we were dead on in predicting Trump was going to win.
What happened was, apparently, and they've got to make this case still In court, not just to the public, but in court or to state legislators, what happened was massive fraud.
Now, as best I can understand, and you've been doing this on a daily basis, so you know better than I do, but as best I can understand, there's two tracks kind of going forward, but diverging, and one is what I call small ball.
It is Rudy Giuliani's Approach to try and get a lot of these little totals overturned enough to give Trump a victory, but especially in Pennsylvania to get all these absentee votes kicked out and perhaps just deny Biden 270 and get it into the House of Representatives.
The other kind of big ball track is Sidney Powell with her claims about rather mass fraud.
I don't doubt that mass fraud occurred in these five or six states at huge levels.
You've got disparities that are not explained by anything in our experience or our statistical method.
For example, here in Arizona, we had a legislative district where the state representative got 17,000 more votes than Trump did.
That's not possible, not in any universe.
But it's not my job to make this case.
It's the president's team's job to make this case to the state legislators and to the courts.
And they've got to make it fairly quickly because December 8th, when the states all certify, is coming up very fast.
steve bannon
Yeah, that's the safe harbor.
In a historical perspective, Trump aside, how important is it that this be taken down to the bitter end?
In other words, this be fought very hard to say, hey, every legal vote that has a chain of custody, a chain of title, is certifiable, must be counted.
Regardless of who the race, creed, gender, political affiliation of that citizen, that vote must be counted.
But at the same time, no votes that have lack of chain of custody, lack of title, you know, uncertifiable are to be counted.
How important do you think is this going back We have to.
I really don't think there is a 2022.
I don't think there's a 2024.
to the study of the, you know, your book is called The Patriot's History for a Reason.
How important is us to get this done right?
larry schweikart
We have to.
I really don't think there is a 2022.
I don't think there's a 2024.
I think this is the battle, and if we don't win this, they will use fraud to take any election from this point on.
So it's, and I guess what I'm most disappointed and angry about is that so many people at so many levels, whether it's the Georgia senators, whether it's John James, whether it's some of the other down ballot people are just not fighting.
They're just kind of rolling.
Oh, well, OK, well, we'll get it in a special election.
Oh, well, next time.
There won't be a next time if we don't fix this now, because they now have It's like a football team.
When they run a play and they find a play that works, you just keep going back to that play until they find a way to stop you.
The problem is you can't stop most of this if you aren't in office to stop it.
And so it's going to be a major, major deal if we can't clean this up.
steve bannon
You've, you know, written the Patriots history, you know this kind of unbroken chain we've had back from the beginning.
Is this election as important, you know, you had these flag officers, I think 250 of them, that wrote a letter to President Trump a couple of months ago, saying that this was not just the most important election of our time, it was the most important election since the founding of the Republic, because we would be one thing or the other on the other side of it.
Do you buy that?
Do you buy the fact that this election and the outcome of this election has that level of importance?
larry schweikart
No, for the following reasons.
I think that the election of 1796 was absolutely crucial, because for the first time in human history, you have a leader who is very popular, who's been offered to stay on as a king forever, voluntarily stepped down.
So right there, you've got a pretty high marker.
Second most important election was 1800, because you have John Adams, a Federalist, who loses an election, who voluntarily and peacefully steps down and hands power over to the hated Jeffersonians.
And he says, these are horrible, horrible people, but the system will survive them.
And then in 1860, you had another very Pathbreaking election where you had a party elected, the Republican Party, that was for the first time in our history, a party opposed to slavery.
And by the way, folks, the Democrats from their history were created to protect and preserve slavery.
Just a little note for those of you who want to be voting Democrat.
And then I think you could argue 1876 was another very, very government, nation changing election.
Because you had contested results from three states.
Nobody was going to give an inch.
The Congress had to go in and say, we're going to throw out these three states results and we're going to put in these three states results.
And there was another civil war about to erupt before they made the compromise of 1876.
But in the last 150 years, we haven't come anywhere close to what's going on right now because Once Biden and these people get in power, most of Trump's actions were executive orders.
Remember, the Congress didn't do a thing, didn't lift a finger to help him for two years, and all Mitch McConnell did really was to confirm judges.
A big deal, but not enough in terms of legislation.
So all Biden has to do is issue one executive order after another and undo basically most of Trump's last four years, the way Trump undid much of Obama's eight years.
steve bannon
I want to go back to the election of 1876, because we may be in a situation that has this historical parallel, or at least the way they tried to fix it.
In that election, they came up with some changes to the process after that.
And they came up with this thing called a contingent election.
And that would be, if you can't sort it out, if you go through the safe harbor on the 8th, and therefore the electors can't go, the slates of electors can't go to the state capitol for the electoral college on the 14th, therefore it gets, you don't really have a president, and it gets kicked into the House of Representatives.
Well, and they're thinking, because in the House of Representatives, it's not voted by individual congressmen.
People have to understand it's voted by, basically, every state gets one vote, in essentially state party delegations.
You would think would carry that, and right now I think it's 27 to 23 or 26 to 22 to 1.
So there's a couple being up in the air.
But the Republicans have a big margin.
What was the logic of trying to sort this out to kick it back into the House?
And as you sit here today, And see the various things that are going on with the lawsuits and going up.
Now they're going to Arizona on Monday to have a testimony.
Michigan on Tuesday, if it doesn't get canceled, it's in the process of maybe getting canceled.
Nevada on the following Thursday.
We just had Pennsylvania.
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What?
steve bannon
How probable is it?
And why did they decide that if you couldn't work it out with an election with the Electoral College, we would just kick it to the House?
larry schweikart
That's a great question.
And as you know, in 1876, the issue was you had three states, Louisiana, South Carolina, and Florida, who had submitted slates of electors, but it was alleged that their elections had denied black people the right to vote.
And there was an alternative slate of electors for Hayes, the Republican, that was also submitted.
They said, we have time before, back then the key date was in March.
Now it's in January when you have to have the delegates all in and read before the joint session of Congress.
But back then it was in March.
So they had time.
So they formed a joint committee to go down and look at all these votes.
And it turned out to be seven Republicans, I'm sorry, eight Republicans to seven Democrats.
And they They ruled in each case for the Republican slate of electors.
And they did so in enough time that when it went back to the Senate and House, they were counted normally.
So they did not go to the situation you're describing, which is if you can't decide, if no candidate has a majority of the electors, say if somehow the electoral votes of Pennsylvania and Michigan We're disputed enough that two sets of electors were submitted.
Then the House and the Senate in joint session would meet and would hash that out.
And the Senate's view of which slate of electors, if there were contested slates, they would decide which ones to accept.
And then you go to the House for a vote.
And as you say, the House would vote by state delegation, not by individuals.
And the Republicans have about a 27, 23 or 26, 22, something like that advantage.
And the theory is that if it goes to the House, Trump will win.
I never take anything for granted these days with our Republicans in the House and the Senate, but the theory is if Trump can get it to the House of Representatives, he'll win.
steve bannon
Larry, the book is Patriot's History of the United States.
The author, the co-author is Larry Schweikert.
He's a great American, a great patriot himself, very engaged in this entire Trump movement.
Sir, have a great Thanksgiving.
Thank you so much for taking time away from your Thanksgiving Day to join us.
larry schweikart
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
We're going to put up all his social media and how you get access to him.
The book is fantastic.
I can't recommend it enough.
It's a something that, it's a great gift to give people you know, to get for yourself, and also get for your kids.
And what you should do is read a section of it out loud every night to your children.
Okay, Chad Robeschauer will join us next.
Somebody who's out in the community actually getting things done on Thanksgiving Day.
Be back tomorrow.
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War Room Pandemic with Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
Here's your host Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Welcome back to War and Pandemic.
Just had the great Larry Schweikert on there, and we're going to put a link up to the book, The Patriot's History, now got from the Mighty Oaks.
And he has his own show himself called Situation Report.
Chad Robichaud, part of the Mighty Oaks.
Chad, tell us about it.
What is the Mighty Oaks?
What do you guys do?
And tell us about why it's so special on Thanksgiving Day.
chad robichaux
Yeah well first of all happy Thanksgiving.
Thank you for having me on.
Mighty Oaks Foundation is the foundation of veterans serving other veterans.
We are faith-based non-clinical program dealing with such things as PTSD, veteran suicide that we know is still over 20 per day every single day and you know one of the things I think on Thanksgiving we should recognize to be thankful for is the freedoms that we have in this country.
We should also pause and remember that those freedoms come at a cost.
They come at a cost of those who have lost their lives on the battlefield, those who suffered physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual wounds from war.
Myself, I was a 4th street cop marine, I did 8 deployments in Afghanistan, and I came home and my family and I faced head-on what many of our warriors face today.
I was diagnosed with PTSD, I dealt with debilitating panic attacks, anger, frustration, and had a real battle with taking my own life myself.
On the other side of getting well, some amazing people came around me to help me get well.
I realized a few things that really helped me.
But one of the most important things was the restoration of my faith and good mentorship around me.
And so Mighty Oaks was founded 10 years ago to pay that forward.
And to date, I've spoken to over 150,000 active duty troops on bases around the world on resiliency and being prepared for the hardships of war.
And we have a recovery program that's free to warriors on active duty.
The veteran community has spouses at five ranches around the country.
And we run 30 of those camps a year.
And we've had 4,000 graduates from those programs.
And military, all four branches send people on active duty to us.
We've got to do some incredible work.
And in addition to those programs, we do aftercare.
We help them move forward and transition back into successful life.
We've also worked directly with the White House, Congress, and U.S.
Senate to make sure that the right policies are in place, legislation in place for our veterans to get the best care they deserve and the choice of care that they deserve.
Working with the President to get faith-based programs back in the VA and DOD.
And that's kind of the area that we've really let in.
So it's been an honor to do that and pay it forward.
Lots of work still to do.
After 20 years of war, our warriors are struggling and need a grateful nation to come behind them and help them move forward.
steve bannon
Well, Chad, this is on our Thanksgiving Day.
I think one of the things, you know, I'm a veteran, Jack is too, that people kind of get shocked at is, how can these suicide rates be this high?
Are we failing at the VA level?
And I'm not singling out the VA.
Is there something we're not doing?
Are we not proactive enough?
Because I think one of the things that shocks us is not just the PTSD.
You know, my daughter was an army captain and was in Iraq.
It's not the PTSD, but it's the suicide rates.
Why is it still so high?
Is it something that we're failing to do as a country that we should be doing?
chad robichaux
Yeah, I think we need to give the most variety of care.
Look, in 2016, and not to make this a political topic, but in 2016, the Obama administration, I mean 2009, the Obama administration cut faith-based programs from the VA.
The suicide rate was 16 a day at that time.
In a period of four years, millions of dollars spent.
And 1500 new clinical programs put up the problem got worse it went from 16 a day to 22 a day which we know it to be higher than that because the 22 a day is only based off of 50% of the demographics of this country so we don't even know what the number really is one is too high and I believe the problem and the problem is so big but the solutions need to be presented and and look We run a faith-based program.
We've had a lot of great success in our faith-based program I personally believe that PTSD and combat trauma is a Spiritual wound is a wound to the soul and you can heal the body and you can heal the mind But until you heal someone's soul, they're never truly gonna be well And so a spiritual wound requires a spiritual solution and we've been able to in the last four years put a dent in this through changing the bringing access to the veteran community with faith-based programs, peer-to-peer programs, and mentorship,
as opposed to just strictly clinical programs.
So to answer your question, I believe the problem has only gotten worse because we are leaning on a clinical solution, when we need more than that.
steve bannon
We don't want to get political today because it's Thanksgiving, but I've got to ask you, particularly somebody's got eight tours, and I know you have so many friends that have committed so much to this cause.
What do you feel, what's your attitude when you see now that we may be pulling everybody out, we're in these negotiations with the Taliban, it's kind of uncertain.
My daughter was there during the Iraq when they were drawing down everything in Iraq and kind of all just kind of fell apart at the end.
For all of you that served so long there, what's your attitude towards what's going on right now about Afghanistan?
chad robichaux
Yeah, I did eight deployments to Afghanistan and my son is a Marine.
My father's a Marine, my son and I have another son in boot camp.
But my son went to Afghanistan, so we have two generations in my family that served in Afghanistan.
I fell in love with the Afghan people, and my heart breaks for them to know that, you know, if we leave there, what could happen.
I do believe that there's a smart way to pull out, and I believe that way needs to be maintaining a support and advisory role to the ANA, the Afghan National Army, as well as our allies that are there serving Afghanistan and protecting the Afghan people.
And I think the United States should still play a role in that moving forward.
I don't know what the plan, the pullout plan looks like, but if I had my desire, it would be that we Continue to serve our neighbors in a support and advisory role and participate with the rest of the nations to make sure the Afghan stays a safe place for the Afghan people.
steve bannon
Chad, tell us social media, how do people get to you?
How do they find out more about the Mighty Oaks?
How do they find out about your programs?
All of it, because I know on Thanksgiving Day people want to go there.
chad robichaux
Well, MightyOaksPrograms.org, if there's any veterans or active duty or spouses listening, even first responders, you can go there.
All of our programs are free.
We even pay for travel.
And while it's free to the warriors, it's not free to us.
It still costs about $2,500 a person to go to the programs.
And so we depend on a grateful nation to provide support.
So you can also go to that website, MightyOaksPrograms.org and donate there.
We're a 501c3 tax deductible nonprofit.
In addition to that, we have a, Myself and Mighty Oaks, we're available to find on all of our social media feeds.
Instagram, Twitter, Facebook.
You can follow us there.
And definitely check out, I have a new book out, An Unfair Advantage, a victory in the midst of battle.
It's endorsed by the President Trump.
And it's a great resource for all the veterans out there.
steve bannon
Unfair advantage.
Okay, we'll get it up there.
You get it at Amazon everywhere.
Chad Robichaud on our Thanksgiving special.
Sir, a real honor to have you on here from Mighty Oaks.
chad robichaux
Thank you, sir.
God bless.
Thanks.
steve bannon
Let's get, I want to make sure we get his actual Twitter handle put up.
Thank you very much.
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