Nov. 19, 2020 - Bannon's War Room
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
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France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | |
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| This is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
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France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | |
| Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always. | ||
| Because if you don't, then the worst happens. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| You're live in the War Room for our nation's capital. | ||
| A podcast now with almost 20 million downloads. | ||
| Very honored today to have the firebrand, Matt Gaetz, the one and only Matt Gaetz, with his bestselling book, Firebrand. | ||
| being on the edge of the MAGA revolution, the Trump revolution, and also his podcast. | ||
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| Of course, G-News and G-TV in Mandarin, even as we speak, for the diaspora of the Chinese people, and also blown through the fireball into mainland China. | ||
| The entire first hour today, there's so much going on in Michigan, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, in Georgia, in Nevada, for this closing the deal on President Trump's massive victory. | ||
| We requested and he consented. | ||
| To join us today, Matt Gaetz for the entire first hour, just as news. | ||
| Twelve noon at the Republican National Committee headquarters over on Capitol Hill, right next to the Capitol Hill Club. | ||
| The Capitol Hill Club being the definition, ground zero of the swamp. | ||
| It's where some of what we thought were our nation's best go to do their worst. | ||
| It's the exchange of money for favors, Steve. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's the dirtiest corner in Washington, D.C. | ||
| But it's a market clearing operation over there. | ||
| So at 12 noon there's going to be a press conference. | ||
| Rudy Giuliani is going to hold a press conference, walk through the entire strategy of what's going on. | ||
| We've got big updates in Wisconsin, big updates in Michigan, all of it. | ||
| And Mayor Giuliani, America's Mayor, the President's lawyer, will walk through all of it today a little differently than is outlined in the Washington Post. | ||
| Although we did get a hat tip in the Washington Post today, the lead story, about the strategy of the President and In his legal team and gave a real shout out to our podcast. | ||
| Didn't get all the details right, but we'll get into that as we go through it. | ||
| I want to welcome Matt Gaetz back into the War Room. | ||
| So Congressman Gaetz, first, one of the questions I get asked all the time is you were there in the last two or three weeks almost non-stop. | ||
| Put people on the plane and put people in the room at the rallies because I think we saw something much different than 16 and you were an active part of the 16 campaign also, but It appeared to be what we call a great awakening. | ||
| I mean, Trump is like one of those guys you've played sports with that says, I want the ball in the last two minutes, right? | ||
| The great athletes who have the courage to say, hey, give it to me, I'll drive it home. | ||
| But there was something different. | ||
| This just wasn't even a campaign. | ||
| You saw the 96-mile caravan in Arizona, the 30,000 Latinos and Hispanics in South Florida for anti-communism in Butler, Pennsylvania. | ||
| A town of 12,000 or 54,000 showed up. | ||
| You were there for most of these rallies in the last couple weeks. | ||
| Walk people through what you saw and what you felt in those last couple weeks. | ||
| Well, in 2016, you'll remember, the country had gone through a malaise. | ||
| Barack Obama told us we could never really achieve 3% growth. | ||
| We just had to get used to kind of trudging along as a nation. | ||
| And I think President Trump inspired people that there was a better America ahead. | ||
| That malaise is something different than the bludgeoning that the MAGA nation has been taking up until this last election. The impeachment of the president, the Russia hoax, the efforts to delegitimize him, and then this pandemic where you had national leaders, local leaders, state leaders doing everything they could to change the rules on voting to try to get the president, which is really what what it was. | ||
| They used the pandemic as a basis to try to go and tilt the election in their scale. | ||
| And the people just responded with a total embrace of our nation, and patriotism, and success, and the president. | ||
| I would go to these rallies, Steve, where our model showed we might have 5,000 or 6,000 people, and 20,000 or 30,000 people would show up. | ||
| And, you know, I heard the Democratic conference chair just the other day call these rallies the Make America Hate Again rallies. | ||
| And it's just so obvious he's never been to one. | ||
| Hakeem Jeffries, very bright guy, but very wrong on this issue. | ||
| Because there is something patriotic and loving where we recognize that this is the greatest country that's ever existed and we want it to stay that way. | ||
| And people came out to fight for it. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Donald Trump got 8 million more votes than he got in 2016. | ||
| He ran a more energetic campaign from his own standpoint, probably, in 2020 than 2016, and it's just crazy to see the rules that some of these states allow for a ballot laundering system that lets them figure out how many Trumps got. | ||
| Okay, let's go to that. | ||
| A lot of folks may not know this. | ||
| You're also a terrific lawyer and a trial lawyer, right? | ||
| So you've been in courtrooms. | ||
| How did Perkins Coy, how did Bob Bauer, Bob Bauer, who has a family, has a history, right? | ||
| His father, I think his father was the one lit up by Rory Cohen in the House Un-American Activities investigation. | ||
| How did Bob Bauer, the architect, and Mark Elias at Perkins Coie, and I've been told by some of the top constitutional lawyers in town, That their architecture of this that started at the beginning of the pandemic back in February and really picked up in March that these states going to change state laws whether in Georgia with the consent decree that we've got that nobody knows about or in Wisconsin what they're fighting about right now or in Michigan or particularly Pennsylvania. | ||
| Perkins Coie spent 200 million dollars on legal and lawsuits and everything like that. | ||
| How did that happen that architecture And it appears it comes as a big reveal to our side that now we're fighting in courts all over. | ||
| It's pretty simple. | ||
| Republicans were worried about why people were going to vote, what was going to motivate them or inspire them, and the Democrats were worried about how people were going to vote. | ||
| Or how dead people were going to vote, or how people were going to vote twice, or how people were going to vote ballots without their consent, just having them harvested at apartment complexes or nursing homes. | ||
| And when we look at the data now, there are just these obvious anomalies, right? | ||
| Like, in the state of Pennsylvania, in 2020, more people registered to vote over the age of 90 than in the prior four years combined. | ||
| Now, either you gotta believe that 2020, in the middle of a pandemic, was the year a bunch of 90-year-olds woke up and said, you know what, this is the year that I've gotta get registered to vote, or you look at this and say, well, you know, obviously you have a mechanized operation here to generate the requests, to get the mail outs, and then to jettison observers as these signatures are supposed to be matched. | ||
| And the problem, Steve, is that it's very hard to catch this after the fact, and there is good work That's my point. | ||
| We saw Perkins Corey. | ||
| It was obvious what they were doing, right, in trying to wire this. | ||
| Why didn't we catch it at the beginning? | ||
| Now, I believe strongly that Trump is going to close on the massive victory that you guys delivered on the 3rd. | ||
| But we're fighting, and not a rearguard action, we're now into it in different states to basically decertify these election results. | ||
| Well, this is the new Russia hoax. | ||
| This is the new way to delegitimize the Trump movement, right? | ||
| Is to have just willed these ballots out of thin air in some places. | ||
| I mean, in Wayne County, they cannot match the ballots to the registered voters. | ||
| How is this okay? | ||
| And then the Republicans, just like during some virtual town hall meeting, get called racists for a few hours because they want to have integrity in the counted votes, and they cave. | ||
| And now they're apparently talking about bullying and wanting to uncertify their actions. | ||
| Well they rescinded last night. | ||
| Yeah, but would that ever happen to the Democrats, Steve? | ||
| To your point about how they set up for this and how we set up for this, they would have a purple-haired warlord from the Chas in that seat, unwilling to give an inch, and we've got people who, at the first sight of being called a racist, are like, well, let's just certify this. | ||
| Upon further review. | ||
| No, but you know, I want to give these guys a little bit of safety here. | ||
| If you actually read their affidavits, which I have here before me, it wasn't just that they were bullied. | ||
| They took that for hours and hours. | ||
| It was a struggle session. | ||
| They had a theoretical compromise that was engineered by the legal counsel for Wayne County, who lied to them and said that this was beyond their purview. | ||
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Number one, they said, I think I heard Robert Mueller tell me a bunch of times what was beyond his purview. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But then they cut a deal, theoretically, with the board. | ||
| Contingent upon an audit. | ||
| That they were going to do an audit and a re-canvassing. | ||
| And they were lied to. | ||
| And then a half hour later, Benson, the Secretary of State, comes out and has a press conference like, hey, we won. | ||
| There's never going to be any audit. | ||
| These guys have no standing. | ||
| And that's why they turned around and changed their minds. | ||
| Yeah, but they got totally hoodwinked on that deal, right? | ||
| I mean, you're not standing up for that. | ||
| He would say that the left would never even buy that, knowing that they were going to lie to you and re-trade you. | ||
| I don't disagree, but I mean, you know, these people are standing up now, and I've got to give them some props because we want other people to stand up just like they're doing. | ||
| And anybody who stands up on behalf of this movement is going to be called a racist, is going to be called horrible things that I think are a projection coming from the left. | ||
| But I want to encourage people like these people. | ||
| We've got your six. | ||
| The American people have some admiration for you. | ||
| And I want others to come forward, too. | ||
| Let's go back to this. | ||
| But Perkins-Coy, they were hardwiring this state-by-state on just the battleground states. | ||
| And why is it that we just find out about this? | ||
| We've been arguing about this since the Transition Integrity Project back in July when we first saw it. | ||
| But why does it seem like a late reveal now? | ||
| You know why, Steve. | ||
| It's because the Democrats had a mechanized operation. | ||
| And we had a traveling carnival with, like, the most charismatic ringmaster in Donald J. Trump. | ||
| That was our campaign. | ||
| And by the way, it was a campaign that motivated 74 million people to show up and vote for the man. | ||
| With no money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so I just think that they had a closer attention to this. | ||
| And you know who should have been paying closer attention? | ||
| The United States Department of Justice. | ||
| Okay, let's talk about that. | ||
| You know, Bill, where is, you know, they send out, they deploy them, they make a big deal, they put it in a press release, since they don't have the consent decree anymore with the Republican Party, they make a huge deal in the Civil Rights Division, they put it in a press release, that they're sending out DOJ attorneys, basically to go to all the places where the consent decree was, because they still don't trust Republicans, right? | ||
| Yeah, I guess we'll get that right after the Durham report. | ||
| So why, where is Bill Barr and why is DOJ, why have they not been on this from the beginning? | ||
| I'm increasingly concerned that we didn't do enough swamp draining over there at the Department of Justice when we needed to, Steve. | ||
| You know, I'm worried that human resources sometimes becomes policy and the fact that we allowed folks to stay there and simmer in their resentment of the President and his supporters and his movement has really cost us at a time when we needed the Department of Justice to be active to ensure that legal votes were not being unfairly diluted with these operations in some of these urban areas where there was no enforcement of the law, where there was no meaningful access. | ||
| The first time a partisan observer, Republican or Democrat, by the way, is excluded from reviewing those ballots as they were being counted, the U.S. Department of Justice should have been in a federal court seeking an injunction, you know, within minutes or hours. | ||
| Not waiting days later, because here's our problem. | ||
| We're going to prove a whole heck of a lot of fraud, but a lot of these fraudulent ballots have already been co-mingled with other ballots that were legally voted. | ||
| So the question is not whether or not you can prove the fraud. | ||
| It's not even whether or not you can prove the fraud at scale. | ||
| The question is whether you can access the legal remedy of having co-mingled ballots thrown out, and if you're tracking the success rate on that, it hadn't been a great one for the Republicans. | ||
| is in the remedy, is in the remedy, you just can't certify, because Pennsylvania, they went to court that day, they got an injunction from a judge, and the sheriff and the local authorities said, you know, we'll take it under advisement. | ||
| I remember that happening to me in 2018 when they were trying the same stuff in Broward County, Florida. I mean, we got court orders for access, and when I tried to take those court orders and walk into the building, a man with a gun, like, was about drew down on me and said, like don't take another step further and they were in there counting ballots. | ||
| And so I think that some of the harvesting activity you saw in 2018 was the dry run for then what they did in 2018. | ||
| In 100%, Florida, DeSantis and Scott was the dry run. | ||
| Why didn't we take, you guys did an amazing job, we won both, right? | ||
| Why didn't we take the lessons of that and apply that to the 2020 presidential? | ||
| Because you guys combated it, but you combated it in the moment. | ||
| What a difference an effective governor makes. | ||
| Because in Florida, we fired the bad actors, we put better policies in place, and during election day, we demanded real-time reporting on the full universe of ballots. | ||
| So there couldn't be the funny business of seeing how many votes Trump gets on election day and then figuring out how many ballots you need to will into existence. | ||
| And then you compare that strong leadership of Governor DeSantis to the limp-wristed actions of Governor Ducey in Arizona and of Governor Kemp in Georgia, and you really see who the fighters are in this movement. | ||
| I think that but for Kemp and Ducey, We would have been outside the margin of fraud in those two states, but Doocy was terribly unpopular, Kemp wasn't fighting for the president. | ||
| Okay, we're taking a short commercial break here on Real America's Voice and Newsmax and John Furrier Radio Network, where with the firebrand Matt Gaetz is in the war room. | ||
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| Bannon. | ||
| You're in the War Room live on a nation's capital just yards from the Supreme Court. | ||
| We're the, I think, the 18th largest podcast in the nation, all types, and the 30th in the world with entertainment, marital advice, sports, all of it. | ||
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We're everywhere. | |
| We're on cable, we're on streaming, we're on YouTube, Pluto TV, all of it. | ||
| So we're very proud to have our distribution partners that support us non-stop and we're here with really I think the hottest podcast even hotter than the war room it's Matt Gaetz the firebrand and listen he's a firebrand for a reason. Gaetz could do a lot of different things. He could be a huge media personality, he could be on tv, he could be out in Hollywood doing all sorts of things. He's not. | ||
| He's actually in Congress. | ||
| He's representing not just the people of the Pensacola area and western Florida, the panhandle, but also he's one of the top voices and one of the top young voices in the MAGA movement. | ||
| So, we had this story in the Washington Post today about the show and the podcast and Rudy and all that, and this audience is metastasizing every day, and the question gets to be, Is this a futile exercise, or is this exercise? | ||
| You were there at the end when he put it on his shoulders, took it across the goal line, and as we preached for months and months and months, the game day victory was going to be unbelievable. | ||
| But you could see that the fix was in. | ||
| Or as Tariq calls it, the finesse. | ||
| That it was going to be in, and they were just going to hold back. | ||
| Like they used to do in Broward County and it was in Palm Beach County in Florida. | ||
| Wait till Pensacola and the panhandle thing and hold back and if we're within striking distance, all of a sudden we're going to find what we've got to find. | ||
| But now we're in it. | ||
| They're going to have a press conference at noon over at the RNC headquarters. | ||
| We've got this situation in Wisconsin, we'll give you more details later, but it's a real fight in Wisconsin. | ||
| You've got a thing in Michigan where they're talking about decertifying this, we're not able to certify it. | ||
| You've got Georgia with a great lawyer, Lin Wood, on this consent order that's never been public, that he's fighting in federal court representing the citizens of Georgia, not the campaign. | ||
| You've got Grinnell, Adam Laxalt, and Matt Schlapp, who are guys that are all business. | ||
| They're in Nevada, and they're saying, hey, this thing stinks to high heaven. | ||
| You've got the 135,000 in the supervisor's race that was thrown out. | ||
| You've got 15,000 either dead or moved. | ||
| They say there's going to be a lot more. | ||
| And we're not even talking about Arizona, but you've got five battles going on. | ||
| We're in federal court in Pennsylvania. | ||
| You've seen that they didn't enforce the injunction. | ||
| Is this a rearguard action, or is the movement spending its time in assisting the president and closing the victory on November 3rd? | ||
| If we do not fix this, if we do not expose this fraud, they're not going to get worse at it. | ||
| They're going to get better at it and we will never win another national election again. | ||
| Those are the stakes in these fights in the several states that you've discussed and I don't think that like to Really get a full audit across the enterprise. | ||
| We have to flip every one of these states at once. | ||
| Here's my prediction, Steve. | ||
| We flip one of these states that the media has called for Joe Biden and the whole veneer comes down. | ||
| The whole fiction that he's president-elect Joe Biden and that this thing is over is eroded if you're able to see that there was fraud sufficient to flip a state. | ||
| Because then I think the American people will say, well, wait a second. | ||
| Like if you lie to us about Georgia, We've got to ask some more questions about Wisconsin. | ||
| If you lied to us about Wayne County, Michigan, how are we supposed to believe what went on in Fulton County, right? | ||
| And I think that asking those tough questions is an important obligation the president has not for his own political fortunes, but for the future of a populist movement that is very much opposed by the people who run these places where they're more susceptible to fraud. | ||
| Do you think, look, you're a pretty smart lawyer, do you think in this situation there's enough, as you see it, fraud on a scale that can actually flip it back to Trump, or has the stuff been so co-mingled and so messed up that you just gotta go to the decertification, which eventually kicks it to the House of Representatives? | ||
| That will be a tough case to make in the absence of one of these states flipping, and the state that is trending... Well, they're about guaranteed, but a state's got to flip. | ||
| Well, a state's got to flip, and I think Georgia is really on a positive trajectory for the president. | ||
| I mean, look, they're not finding errors in Georgia of like, you know, tens or hundreds of ballots. | ||
| They're finding discrepancies that are in the thousands of ballots. | ||
| The state Republican Party chairman walking through how these Where's Kemp? | ||
| tabulations result in like a six, nine thousand vote swing toward the president and that's only looking at a small batch of counties. | ||
| Imagine when they go statewide and really look at this thing. | ||
| Whereas people are asking us every day, where's Kemp? | ||
| Kemp does not exist. | ||
| If Donald Trump's not actively working for him to win to beat Stacey Abrams, where is This Lieutenant Governor is a disaster. | ||
| The Secretary of State is the worst. | ||
| He's on MSNBC every day burying the President. | ||
| How can this possibly happen in this party? | ||
| Well, I think the Secretary of State is largely covering for this consent decree with the Stacey Abrams crowd that we talked about. | ||
| You know, for those who are listening who don't understand the significance of these decrees, what happens is when people don't have the power to change the laws through the elected legislature, they just go and sue and then that lawsuit becomes a platform for the far left to sort of come together with the corporate elite establishment right and cut a deal that cuts out the representative process that we are supposed to have in our republic. | ||
| They can't get a statutory change because they don't really have the stroke. | ||
| So what they do is they sue, then get in a room with nobody watching, cut a consent, and that consent essentially becomes statutory. | ||
| And once a judge signs off on that, once the parties sign off on it, these private agreements entered into by litigants have the force of law that exceeds what the elected representatives of the people | ||
| Would would advocate for and support and when we talk about something as significant as voting that is crazy But to your point the Democrats lawyered up Stacey Abrams went and muscled up in the courtroom And and they got these things done while we were sort of planning the next make America great again rally Which was fun and turned out many millions more people but that I think lacked a requisite focus on the mechanics of voting and we've got to get better at that and They take it very holistically, like Stalin. | ||
| Don't tell me who votes, tell me who counts the votes. | ||
| They take victory in a very holistic way. | ||
| We bifurcate it, and that means that they always think of it as smaller. | ||
| How in Georgia, where you've got these discrepancies of thousands upon thousands of votes, do you have two elections officials signing off and certifying it? | ||
| Right? | ||
| That's happening because there is not sufficient transparency and review, and I really believe that the dam could break open in Georgia. | ||
| That could be the case where we find out the media lied to us, that the process was rotten, and then we really start to drill down into these other places. | ||
| No, we got John Fraser trying to get him on maybe the second hour before the press conference. | ||
| He's actually shifted his operation to Georgia. | ||
| He says the rumor down there today is Kemp is going to try to expedite signing off on a certification either today or tomorrow to try to get this back. | ||
| Not going to happen. | ||
| He's still going to court. | ||
| That's not helpful. | ||
| For our audience, how can that happen? | ||
| You're part of it. | ||
| You're an outrider because you're a firebrand for the movement. | ||
| You're a firebrand for the president. | ||
| You're a firebrand for MAGA. | ||
| But how can we have establishment Republicans, who basically owe their existence to Trump's active campaigning for him, turn on, not just him, but turn on really the fairness of an election? | ||
| You know, it's a tragic disappointment, but it perpetuates, Steve. | ||
| I mean, I've spent the last two days in these, like, you know, organizing sessions with the Republican conference. | ||
| Yeah, why are you guys even here in DC? | ||
| i'd like to do that but this is an important point regarding the the future of the movement everybody stands up in the leadership and pats themselves on the back because republicans won seats and everybody's like oh you know we're we're beat the democrats were clawing back to the majority and no one gets trump the credit that they all act as though like this was some movement driven by the establishment republicans in washington in the realities of a lot of these districts it was the enthusiasm for the president drug republicans over the finish line and i'm certainly | ||
| glad that happened We want that to happen. | ||
| Politics is a team sport. | ||
| And that, by the way, is perhaps an important lesson for the governor of Georgia as well. | ||
| Well, so let's go back to this. | ||
| You think that in DC, because the House was fantastic. | ||
| I mean, it was a great job. | ||
| Obviously, that was driven by this movement and the President going around and delivering that mass... | ||
| You know, particularly in the districts, the Dirty 30 that we started to take back, right? | ||
| Which, remember, the ones that survived are all over Nancy Pelosi, that we can't do this again. | ||
| In 2022, if the Trump movement is as powerful as it is today, we'll all get wiped out. | ||
| You're saying right now, internally to DC, that's not being, that's not what the narrative is. | ||
| No, we believe that we took back a lot of these seats because of fantastic candidate recruitment and hard campaigns on the ground and certainly that was a contributing factor. | ||
| No doubt, I don't want to diminish that at all, but this movement is at its best when we are fired up for our transformational president, for our leader. | ||
| And whether Donald Trump is in the White House or Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster, he is the leader of this movement and he is the inspiration behind it. | ||
| So in this segment, we're going to wrap up. | ||
| We're going to come back to what's happening in the House with Nancy Pelosi and the future of this movement. | ||
| But for our audience, this is a fight worth having right now. | ||
| Not about the future, but about right now to try to close in this victory. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I think if we can get the remedies of ballot exclusion anywhere, it will create a tremendous amount of positive momentum for us. | ||
| But Jack's absolutely right. | ||
| We need patriots to stand up and tell the truth about what they've seen and what they've done. | ||
| In Patriots, why are there not more people going to the sticks on Capitol Hill? | ||
| You have you, you have Jim Jordan, you've got the guys who are closely aligned with this movement. | ||
| But why is it just silence? | ||
| It's pretty stunning. | ||
| This is a tough town when you're a firebrand. | ||
| This is not a town that seeks the firebrand. | ||
| This is a town that seeks someone who will come and conform. | ||
| And, you know, the benefits of conforming are great for the establishment. | ||
| And for the fighters, we've just got to get out there and keep slinging it. | ||
| Okay, Matt Gaetz is with us. | ||
| He is the Firebrand. | ||
| The book is called Firebrand. | ||
| Dispatches from the front lines of the MAGA revolution. | ||
| It's a must-read. | ||
| First off, it's entertaining. | ||
| You actually, what's so unique, you actually wrote this book yourself. | ||
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| Very proud of that, right? | ||
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| Okay, we've got Wisconsin, we've got Michigan, we have Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada, all in the fight now. | ||
| We're going to get into the details at 11 o'clock. | ||
| Press conference with Rudy Giuliani and the entire team from RNC headquarters at high noon. | ||
| It'll be covered on Real America's Voice at the end of our show. | ||
| We're going to do a prep, a pre-game, starting at 1130, give you all the details of what they're going to cover. | ||
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Tailgating with the War Room for the Rudy Press Conference. | |
| It's kind of like Southeast Conference football, right? | ||
| The movement. | ||
| Let's talk about, we absolutely have to close on this victory we had in the third. | ||
| One of the big tales I see even in the Biden thing, you know, normally when somebody wins legitimately, wins, you see the New York Times starts getting leaked pieces about investment bankers, guys on Wall Street, guys in corporate America are going to be big parts of the administration, cabinet positions, all kind of fights. | ||
| It is total crickets in the mainstream media about what a Biden administration would be. | ||
| You get more of it on Fox. | ||
| And Laura Ingraham, I love Laura, a longtime friend and colleague, fantastic. | ||
| But you can't start pitching what's going to happen in the Biden administration. | ||
| There's not going to be a Biden administration. | ||
| We're not working with AOC. | ||
| All that's nonsense. | ||
| But there are tells. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, like, Biden's acting like he's reaching across the aisle for Republicans, but he's reaching in all the wrong places. | ||
| I mean, he wants to import the foreign policy of Dick Cheney and the trade policy of Paul Ryan, you know, and in his own mind. | ||
| That's all globalism. | ||
| Well, right. | ||
| But like that, when you talk about the future of our movement, you know, I don't believe that It is going to be easy for us to even maintain the Republican mantle if you see some of these establishment figures kind of, you know, migrate to a Biden world. | ||
| Look, you were out in Arizona. | ||
| The one issue we have, obviously in Maricopa County there's a problem, there's all types of potential fraud out there, but the one that's not on, of the top five that we're fighting, Arizona's not there. | ||
| You were out there with Farage. | ||
| My argument is that the establishment between the McCain crowd, The Romney flake crowd and elements of the Lincoln Project, that's how we got upside down. | ||
| You're not buying that? | ||
| We should have won Arizona by just an enormous margin, and I think there were two factors. | ||
| One, we had a terrible United States Senate candidate. | ||
| I mean, you can't spell McSally without two L's. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, this is somebody who literally got Beat got the job anyway. | ||
| And when I was in Arizona, Nigel heard it too. | ||
| People resented that. | ||
| People resented the fact that she lost and got appointed the job. | ||
| And then you have a governor who was unpopular because he was pushing all these lockdowns and mandates. | ||
| When Donald Trump would announce Ron DeSantis at a Florida rally, the place would erupt with electricity. | ||
| And when he would announce Doug Ducey at an Arizona rally, he got booed. | ||
| You can't tell me that that does not have an effect on a close election. | ||
| I think that when we look at Arizona, we've got to look in the mirror before we start blaming other people. | ||
| There probably was a good amount of fraud there, but that election should not have been close in Arizona. | ||
| The president is always so gracious. | ||
| He wants to extend the popularity that he enjoys to the whole team. | ||
| It's his host mentality. | ||
| Perhaps he was too gracious with Doug Ducey. | ||
| Go back, let's go to the future of this movement. | ||
| From a policy perspective, walk us through where you think the driving elements of this movement are. | ||
| You just mentioned national defense, the kind of neocon, what you're talking about is the neocon, neoliberal perspective on the world that's traditionally been looked at as not just the Uniparty, but the Republican wing of the Uniparty. | ||
| Well, the Uniparty, which I write about in my book Firebrand, wants to invade everywhere, invite everyone, And impoverish every town in our country so that a multinational corporation can have a better quarterly earnings report. | ||
| That is what we are against. | ||
| What we're for is putting our people first, with economic nationalism, with a focused foreign policy, and with an immigration policy that respects what we have, that understands that America is so special, that she is worthy of our love and our protection at the border, and she is also so special that we just cannot export Americanism to wherever I stand at the tip of the sword. | ||
| You don't believe America is an idea. You actually believe America is a country with a border and sovereignty and citizens. | ||
| It's our home. And if we love our home, we must protect our home. | ||
| I also write about how we have to keep our home splendid. | ||
| To me, the America First movement needs to be a movement that embraces a clean environment. | ||
| Like, you wouldn't let somebody walk into your home and trash it and leave, and so why would we ever let people do that to our precious air, to our precious waterways? | ||
| And President Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the work his administration has done just to have smarter environmental policies, not with more extensive government control, But with more innovation that has allowed our nation to reduce emissions, to become cleaner, and to become a better example to the world. | ||
| And by the way, that doesn't mean being the world's Patsy or the world's piggy bank. | ||
| You see, Obama, Biden, these cats think that the way that we advance America's hegemony is by just deploying a ton of our cash to other places with no real benefit to our people because it makes them feel better in all their globalist meetings and all their Davos high tea parties. | ||
| No offense, Rahim. | ||
| Did it strike you that Biden, his only big policy thing was to go to Scranton and try to become a faux-populist and faux-economic nationalist for that one time? | ||
| You never really saw him put forward a policy agenda because they don't want to talk about Build Back Better, which is this whole bizarro... It's just the inkblot test, right? | ||
| Joe Biden is the inkblot candidate. | ||
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Everybody stares at the inkblot and sees what they want to see. | |
| You can pick out their... because it's a cipher. | ||
| You agree with that? | ||
| So what do you think the agenda that they've really got in back of that? | ||
| They clearly have an agenda, right? | ||
| What is it in opposition to what our movement is? | ||
| I think that they believe that they can financially benefit and that their interests can financially benefit by eroding the uniqueness of our country and leveraging it for their global ambitions, whether that be forever wars, bad trade deals, or bad monetary policy that ends up benefiting other countries and harming ours. | ||
| And you know, China is not our friend. | ||
| Joe Biden holds this view that if we just bring China closer to us, Well, because of the CCP. | ||
| more like us. But the reality is when we bring China closer, it makes us more vulnerable. | ||
| And the Chimerica dream that we've been sold by both parties has really become a nightmare for our people. | ||
| Well, because of the CCP. You're a, not only a great patriot, you represent probably a part of the country that is probably in the top 10% of patriotism, right? | ||
| With the naval base down in Pensacola and all the veterans that have retired there. | ||
| But you're also the leading edge of, hey, we can't have these forever wars and we can't be deployed everywhere. | ||
| And you're one of the big advocates of saying, hey, in Afghanistan and Iraq, Enough's enough, and we've got to start making tough decisions about bringing guys home, and of course the apparatus, the chaining part of the apparatus is going absolutely nuts. | ||
| Walk through, how do you balance the patriotism, right, with the America first national security policy? | ||
| There are real challenges in the world. | ||
| You talk about a lot of them on this podcast. | ||
| But, you know, we have been trying to build democracies out of blood and sand and Arab militias, you know, for the better part of 20 years. | ||
| Meanwhile, China has been building trading alliances, infrastructure, they've been building... No, no, they've been colonizing. | ||
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China's been colonizing. | |
| So how do you deal with a hostile, colonizing power like China? | ||
| Well, you know, one way is to not think that we have to chase every bad guy in a turban in every cave, you know, everywhere around the world, because China has benefited from our lack of focus. | ||
| But look, I mean, they're playing a different game than we are, Rahim. | ||
| They steal our stuff, they replicate our products, and then they replace us in the global market. | ||
| And America's edge on the world is our innovation edge. | ||
| The fact that, look, I mean, just look at these vaccines. | ||
| We were told that we were going to have to wait 18 months to get anything. | ||
| We got two in less than a year. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And so if we lose that, we do lose something special about America. | ||
| And when we give it away by leaving the pantry open for China, I think we become very fragile. | ||
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When China deploys thousands of engineers to Africa, they're not engineers, right? | |
| They're military. | ||
| They're military personnel and they're there to do a military occupation. | ||
| That's what they're there for. | ||
| To secure the resources, assets on the ground and make sure that The things that they want to take out of those countries are taken out of those countries. | ||
| It's the British Empire mindset and mantra to dominating the developing world. | ||
| It's the East India Company. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| So the question is, how, without having to deploy your own troops to places that have little, I won't say none, little national interest for the United States, how do you combat the CCP? | ||
| I don't know that we really know yet. | ||
| I think it takes a whole-of-government approach that we're not at, but... I know. | ||
| Alright, tell us. | ||
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You have to go back to where the power is being projected from. | |
| And the line is take down the CCP, right? | ||
| It's not push them back out of Africa and just allow them to come back again, it's you have to... Would you advocate stronger, because right now in the unrestricted warfare you have information war, which is cyber, you have economic war, would you advocate Stronger, actually, confrontation, direct confrontation with the Chinese Communist Party financially. | ||
| Cut them off from the dollar. | ||
| Sanction their banks. | ||
| Sanction their individuals. | ||
| Do what we're doing to the mullahs, to the 10th power, because right now you can see with Beijing, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, and Russia, there's a coordinated effort to control the Eurasian landmass, right, and push us off and take, you know, destroy our allies, or co-opt them. | ||
| In addition, that's the old geopolitics of territory. | ||
| There's also a geopolitics of new technologies, where you see that they're very advanced, and quite frankly, our tech oligarchs, which I know you're at the forefront of trying to rein in, the tech oligarchs are essentially kowtowing to them. | ||
| That's what we have. | ||
| We have a firewall here in the United States. | ||
| Every bit as tough as a firewall. | ||
| Bill Clinton told us that China wouldn't be able to control the Internet, that that would be like nailing Jell-O to the wall. | ||
| Well, it turns out they nailed that damn Jell-O to the wall in China, and technology just means you're able to do more with less, and in many ways that can make authoritarianism more efficient and more effective. | ||
| But I don't believe I answered Rahim's question adequately. | ||
| I think that where China beats us in a lot of these places is their pitch is, we have cash now. | ||
| So if you're a despot, if you're a dictator in some godforsaken land and they show up with suitcases full of cash, you don't care about the long-term impact on your country because you're not really a patriot. | ||
| You're just there to have regime preservation. | ||
| America comes in and says, well, we're the best friend of the world if you have big debt problems because we can go and kind of fend off your creditors better than anybody. | ||
| And that presupposes that people have a longer-term view than they actually do. | ||
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America goes in and they say, hey, we'll make your country's institutions better and give you good governance structures. | |
| And these guys, they laugh in their face. | ||
| They go, I don't care about that. | ||
| They don't have patriotism the way you have patriotism. | ||
| In answering Rahim's question, you're saying that the Chinese are going with cash. | ||
| He says the Chinese are going with cash for the third world. | ||
| The Chinese are in cash here in this city and in Wall Street. | ||
| I mean, the influence peddling of the Chinese... Latin America! | ||
| You made one of the smartest comments about these hearings that were going on when you said a lot of the guys on even our side of the football were not going after the tech oligarchs. | ||
| You're saying, hey look, look where the PACs spend their money. | ||
| Look who's taking tech PAC money right now. | ||
| That's why we're playing softball at these hearings. | ||
| I am the only Republican in Congress who doesn't take any PAC money. | ||
| Because the American people are my only special interest. | ||
| How can you survive doing that? | ||
| I rely on the people, and the other thing is, I don't advertise very much. | ||
| I didn't run a single ad in my last campaign, even though my opponent raised and spent millions, because I just figure if people want to know what I have to say, it's pretty easy to find out without me bombarding your text messages. | ||
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No wonder the podcast is so hot. | |
| You literally didn't take in an ad in this cycle. | ||
| I did not. | ||
| And I didn't need to, because my people know me and I know them. | ||
| But there's a broader point here. | ||
| How can Republicans in Congress take tens of thousands of dollars, sometimes have hundreds of thousands of dollars, move through their political operations from these big tech companies, and then go home to their constituents and say, well, there are no strings attached. | ||
| I mean, doesn't everybody get what a total joke that is? | ||
| And it's one of the reasons why I think that we need to get members of Congress out of D.C. | ||
| more. | ||
| This is a terrible place where the lobbyists have mechanized the ability to buy people off. | ||
| And with the tech companies, when they don't buy you off through campaign donations, they hire your family members and your spouses as consultants and contractors. | ||
| And the reason you know it's all professional wrestling Is that nothing ever happens. | ||
| And oftentimes after these big tech hearings, the valuations of these companies go up! | ||
| Their stock prices rise after the hearings because everybody knows it's a total joke and we're never going to repeal the special immunities they have that allow their censorship to persist. | ||
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War Room Pandemic with Stephen K. Banham. | |
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host Stephen K. Banham. | ||
| We're in the war room on Capitol Hill. | ||
| We've got the firebrand with us, and we've got one last segment to go. | ||
| We wanted to keep him here for a couple hours, but he's got to go back to work over on Capitol Hill. | ||
| While we're trying to do this, Brahim's trying to give us definitions of afternoon tea and high tea. | ||
| We'll get to the Barclay brothers at the Ritz. | ||
| We'll get all that worked out. | ||
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Well, hold on. | |
| It's an important distinction. | ||
| Americans always get it wrong. | ||
| High tea is like sausages and meat and things like that later on in the day. | ||
| Afternoon tea, which is what you were talking about, is like the little finger sandwiches and the little scones and that kind of thing. | ||
| So afternoon tea. | ||
| I'll take you for an afternoon tea one day. | ||
| And if you're a deplorable Brit, that's a cup of tea and beans on toast. | ||
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That's a supper. | |
| You're considered one of the leaders of this movement, and particularly in the younger generation, at the tip of the spear. | ||
| What are you doing in Congress? | ||
| Why are you in Congress when there's so many other things you could be doing for the country? | ||
| And it's fantastic. | ||
| You've got one of the best districts in the country. | ||
| My kid brother was down there in flight school and then went back as an instructor. | ||
| Loved hanging out down there. | ||
| Great folks, great people. | ||
| But why is Matt Gaetz in Congress? | ||
| Well, I am inspired by the unique patriotism in my district. | ||
| Where I come from, we stand for the pledge and the anthem, and we kneel only in prayer. | ||
| And there is a certain appreciation we have for this country, and for the people who have fought for her, defended her, and died for her. | ||
| That's what gets me up going every day, but Steve, I have to tell you. | ||
| A lot of us are wondering whether or not the House of Representatives is going to be the right place to fight in this movement in the coming years. | ||
| We're concerned that if this doesn't go our way in the election and you get Biden and Mitch McConnell, that Mitch is just going to open up the trading bazaar and it's going to be spending for Republican senators in exchange for confirmations that the Biden administration would potentially want if they're able to clear these legal hurdles. | ||
| And that will mean that the House of Representatives We'll become Nancy Pelosi's Woketopian Laboratory, where every day it'll be like reparations, defund the police, redistribute wealth, and none of those things will really go anywhere in the Senate, but it'll just be this kind of odd debating society. | ||
| So I think that there are a number of us in the House of Representatives right now who see the importance of these election challenges for the future of our country and our movement, and who are evaluating what might be the next best perch to fight from. | ||
| Didn't Trump's massive victory on the 3rd of November break Nancy Pelosi? | ||
| Isn't she having a grovel right now just to keep... and she's already said, I'll only stay two more years. | ||
| So the post-Pelosi jogging for power... Yeah, that's when the formaldehyde runs out. | ||
| But I think that... Are you buying this? | ||
| don't ever bet against Nancy Pelosi because she is a very talented political strategist. She is a talented political operative but like here's the math problem right? Like you got about you know 15-13 people who are coming back who did not vote for Pelosi for Speaker in the last Congress and if she's gonna maintain her power half of those people are gonna have to walk the And presumably the reason somebody didn't vote for Pelosi before is because they had some covenant with their district not to. | ||
| And so you're going to see this rub. | ||
| And my suspicion is there might be some people that get on that Ways and Means Committee or that Appropriations Committee that might not have the seniority but jumped the line. | ||
| There might be a few people who get their foreign trips approved that they've always wanted. | ||
| There might be folks getting bigger offices and more staffs. | ||
| But I know this, Nancy Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus managed and well fed. | ||
| And I'm not betting against her. | ||
| Let's go back to our side of the football in the house. | ||
| You notice it was Trump's massive victory that pulled these guys across the finish line and also empowered McCarthy and these guys. | ||
| Why when I see these leadership conferences you don't hear any MAGA? | ||
| You've got Cheney. | ||
| We did it, you know, is the answer. | ||
| But even in the policy, you've got Cheney up there trying to be, she's trying to be faux Margaret Thatcher. | ||
| That's the new spin she's got. | ||
| She's not Margaret Thatcher, okay? | ||
| She's dangerous like her father was, right? | ||
| And got us in this jam that President Trump had to work us out of, these endless wars. | ||
| But why is she sitting there in leadership and proposing the exact policies on national security that the MAGA movement is against? | ||
| We're in America first. | ||
| We're not isolationists. | ||
| We're more engaged than ever. | ||
| Well, that's in real America, Steve. | ||
| See, the only place where these forever wars are really popular, it's inside the beltway of Washington, D.C., because when we are engaged in these low-yield, sort of unwinnable conflicts, There are billions of dollars in slush fund resources to bomb stuff and then build it back after we bomb it and you know a lot of people get rich off of those things and those people then have an audience oftentimes with some of the members of our leadership. | ||
| Liz Cheney, she'd probably start three wars before lunchtime tomorrow if she could. | ||
| This president has been remarkable in his drawdown and frankly there's a lot of work going on right now to make sure we complete that drawdown in Afghanistan. | ||
| Boy, with the firebrand, you've got to get the book. | ||
| My phone's already blown up, but people haven't had a chance to read it, so you've got to get it. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Actually, it gets in some tussles in the book, so it's incredible. | ||
| Talk about the podcast. | ||
| How do people get access to you, your Twitter handle, all of it? | ||
| Hot Takes with Matt Gaetz, available on Apple, Spotify, Anchor, all the major podcast platforms. | ||
| At Rep Matt Gaetz is my official account. | ||
| At Matt Gaetz is the tweeting that I do personally. | ||
| And we hope folks go to gates.house.gov, sign up for our newsletter. | ||
| It's a little different than the communications you might see from other offices, because we try to be real, tell it like it is. | ||
| And by the way, Steve, you know what important work the Congress is doing today? | ||
| We're going to take a vote on the fact that tomorrow we want to take another vote. | ||
| And then we're going to take a second vote on how long the debate will be on a bill about internships tomorrow. | ||
| Are you an advocate, Jack I know is a big name in this, and because of Constitution actually being here, are you coming to a different opinion, we've got about a minute left, a different opinion, that we just go home, just do a remote if we're just going to waste time? | ||
| Folks, you should check out my op-ed in the Washington Examiner yesterday, Republicans are wrong on remote voting, and I understand that there are Frailties and flaws with remote voting, but anything that gets members of Congress out of Washington D.C. | ||
| will be devastating to the lobbyists and special interests that are hollowing out our nation. | ||
| Okay, we've had Matt Gaetz. | ||
| Remember, the book is Firebrand. | ||
| Amazon, then you also go to your website, I take it? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So you go to Amazon, and bookstores everywhere if you can even get into a bookstore. | ||
| Have you had a session at Politics and Prose? | ||
| Have they invited you over to have a... I have not. | ||
| We've got to work on that. | ||
| Politics and Prose, Matt Gaetz. | ||
| That'd be worth covering. | ||
| Live press conference at the RNC today. | ||
| Matt Gaetz has been a guest. | ||
| Congressman, thank you very much for coming. | ||
| You are a firebrand. | ||
| In a town that does not reward firebrands, right, but a movement that does. | ||
| Okay, we're going to go to Michigan, we're going to go to Wisconsin, we're going to go to Georgia on the next hour and then do the pregame. | ||
| The tailgate, starting at 11.30, the pregame show for the press conference Rudy Giuliani and the team are going to have at the RNC. | ||
| This is Stephen K. Bannon in the War Room. | ||
| Congressman Matt Gaetz, The Firebrand, Raheem Kassam, Jack Maxey. | ||
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We're going to return in just a moment. | |
| Bring it on and I will fight to the end, just watch and see. |
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