Andrew Tate's "Tales of Wudon" and "The Tate Bible" promote a philosophy where life is constant war, demanding men suffer to become exceptional while dehumanizing women. Hosts critique his pseudoscientific claims about tree ecology and predatory pickup strategies involving Lamborghinis, linking his ideology to toxic masculinity and potential violence like that of Elliot Rodger. Despite parents sending his content for encouragement, the discussion reveals how these harmful narratives isolate men in cult-like structures, ultimately suggesting that Tate's worldview fuels insecurity rather than genuine empowerment. [Automatically generated summary]
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Hey, everyone.
Robert here.
The episode you are about to listen to is me and Shireen Lani Yunis and Sophie, our producer Extraordinaire, going through some of Andrew Tate's writings, particularly a book of his collected wisdom and some of these weird kung fu stories that he's written.
It's all fucked up and terrible.
We recorded this when he was still incarcerated in solitary confinement.
He has now been released to house arrest.
So in the episode, whenever we talk about him being in a Romanian jail, just replace that with the phrase house arrest in your head, and it'll be like we edited it ourselves.
Welcome to the Manosphere Man cast with Chunt Grunt Punch.
We're here today to talk about all of my tips and tricks for picking up high-value ladies.
First off, though, I want to introduce my guests for today, my co-hosts on the man cast, Shireen Lani Yunis and Sophie Lichterman.
How are y'all doing?
Robert, you don't ever do that in our presence ever again.
You ready for the man cast?
I'm doing it for the pod.
You know, like I understand why you chose.
I understand it.
Doesn't mean I like it, but I understand it.
It's called, maybe we should have called it the Gruntcast.
But yeah, I think it's a good idea.
I think this is what we should pivot to doing, Sophie, because it is apparently the easiest way to make money in the world.
You repulse me, and I did not enjoy that.
Sophie, all we got to do, we got to fuck up the heads of like 10 or 15 million like teenage boys and then we retire.
Somebody or you get thrown into jail in Romania.
Well, we won't, we won't go to Romania, Sophie.
I mean, come on.
I will go to the bottom.
I've learned lessons from Andrew Tate.
Why not?
Well, it's a great place to go if you are not operating a massive sex trafficking ring and bragging that the Romanian government won't arrest you.
Yeah, you should avoid Romania if that's the case.
You should avoid most places if that's the case.
This is a book episode.
You all know what a book episode is.
Shireen, we've been struggling to find a new book for our book episodes for a while now, and I think I may have landed on it.
We're actually going to be covering two books today, and both of them are written by friend of the pod, Andrew Tate.
Friend of the pod?
I was on here for Steven Seagal's book, right?
You were on here for Steven Seagal's terrible, terrible book.
That was so funny.
That fucking cover.
That was a cover.
I just revered the cover.
The cover was a joke.
What a choice.
This book has a better cover.
Not a good cover, but a better cover.
What does it look like?
Well, the first book we're talking about by Andrew Tate is his Tales of Wudon, which is Wudon is like a mountain in China and the kind of two big schools of Chinese martial arts, like one of them is named after Wudon, because I guess it's just kind of like where it originated.
But Andrew Tate, despite being kind of a mediocre kickboxer, is very married to the idea of being like a monastic warrior thing, which is silly.
Yeah.
I want you to go to the Cobra Tate.
That's his website's name, Tales of Wudon page to take a look at this thing.
When I say it's a better cover than the Steven Seagal book, that's not praise.
So it opens up with just like a GIF of him basically like smoking a cigar.
It's like a fucking parody of what everything he does is.
So there's like a drawing of him that it's weird because the art style is like a mix of kind of vaguely competent sort of Asian landscapes.
But then the illustrations of like Andrew Tate as a as a fucking kung fu master, it almost looks like a political cartoon of him.
Like it's it's weird.
I it's it's a strange mix of styles, but it does beat the Shadow Wolves book.
I'll give it that.
I guess.
Yeah, that's the one, the one good thing, I guess, is that it beats the worst cover of all time.
Yeah.
Now, to get this book, you have two options, Shireen.
One is that you sign up for Andrew Tate's mailing list and every week he'll send you a new story from it, which fuck that.
Absolutely not.
The other is that you pay $5 for the book, which also fuck that.
$5 too much, yep.
Yeah.
The third is that you scroll through.
I lied.
There's three.
You scroll through the Tales of Wudon Twitter page and apparently you get to the stories.
Look, they're boring as shit, but I am going to read one of them for you because it's funny.
And it will serve as a good introduction to Andrew Tate's second book, which we're also going to cover today.
Just before I exit out of this website and click X, I think.
Yeah, you're going to need to burn your laptop.
Yeah, I've never been on this before, but like, do you know how some websites have a live chat for help option?
Yeah.
So for this one, it pops up immediately, like I just saw on the front page, and it says, this is not just a live chat bot.
This is your chance to get personal attention from Tate's personally trained special forces.
My God.
What?
Are they going to walk around alone in a jail cell?
His language.
This is your chance to change your life.
Begin a conversation below and follow the next steps.
Yeah, it's a little cult he's got going online.
I've continued following his journey after his arrest and like just FYI.
He has like friends on the outside that he sends tweets to.
And they've gone from like, I'm innocent and, you know, will be vindicated to talking about his like jail cell workout routine and all sorts of like Most recently, he bragged about defeating a ghost in hand-to-hand combat.
So it's, it's, he's, he's doing well, is what I'm saying.
Um, I would normally say I wouldn't wish solitary confinement on anybody, but I didn't know solitary confinement could be this funny.
So now, like, I'm morally compromised, but it is very funny.
That on anybody, you, you, you, you're the one before this.
There are so many shitty people, all of them should be in a pit somewhere.
The Sad Story of Tree Seeds00:09:39
I mean, I think it, yeah, okay, that's fair.
That's fair, Sharmeen.
I have no sympathy for the, I have, I have an alternate standpoint, but that's gonna, I promised Sophie, my New Year's resolution was not to talk about killing people on this podcast more than once a quarter.
Yeah, more than once a quarter.
You've already wailed in Q1, but okay.
I know.
Sophie, you know, life is a journey, okay?
And sometimes, you know, you, you, rather than getting obsessed with your failures, you should just celebrate the attempt.
I thought life was a highway.
That's also what life is.
And life is, for Andrew Tate, life is a 5,000-year-long process.
Because the introduction to his book, Tales of Wudon, begins, in a previous life, I lived 5,000 human years atop Wudon Mountain.
I remember every lived second.
Jesus Christ, going for a big, big riot here.
Life is competition.
Competition is violence.
In many modern forms of competition, we have attempted to water down the violent aspects, to replicate violence in the most sanitized way.
We have full-grown men growing as large and strong as possible to put a ball in a net as opposed to hurting each other.
It's funny that he focuses on basketball because football is still about men hurting each other to the point that they destroy their brains.
It's the most dangerous sport, isn't it?
Yeah.
Well, also MMA, which is his sport.
Like, yeah, not really sanitized.
But the sentiment is the same.
It's a group of men at war with another, with one team being victors and the other being losers.
The largest, strongest, most beautiful tree violently crushing the surrounding saplings in the quest for resource.
He just says resource.
Every time I see beauty, I see struggle, the struggle required to create it.
When I see myself, I know the struggle lived to become who I am, to live as I do.
The more sophisticated my understanding of the universe's constant state of war, the happier, more content, and peaceful I feel.
You are meant to struggle.
You are here to suffer.
If you do neither of these things, you are either dead or invisible.
If you want people to care who you are, become familiar with pain.
If you do not struggle to become an exceptional man, you are a nobody.
And every female will prove to you you may as well not exist.
Female is like the worst of the worst words to use to describe people with volvos.
Like, I just, it's one of the easiest ways, though, to determine whether or not someone is like a piece of shit.
If that is, if they, if they use it in that way.
Um, that was, that was a, that was a long sentence you just read.
It's like, it's laid out as almost as if it's a Zin Cohen, but it's, it's not.
It's just like dog shit fucking fight club ass level philosophy.
Um, but without like the knowledge that fight club is a satire of this kind of philosophy, right?
Right.
Yeah.
They're not, he's not evolved enough to understand that it's not that serious.
It's also very funny that he's like, like, life is struggle.
You know, I am like the strong oak that has choked out the saplings.
He called himself beautiful at one point.
And I do this so that girls will like me.
Yeah.
That is the most pathetic.
It's so sad.
How does how does he get away with being so pathetic and like just a big fucking dork?
Like dorks are great, but there's a certain kind of dork that he is that is fucking pathetic.
Well, it's because he's reaching out to like 13-year-old boys who are raised on like a mix of like comic books and video games and anime.
And, you know, there's nothing wrong with any of those things, but when those form your entire like level of familiarity with the world, it's easy for a guy like Andrew to come in here with a story that sounds like the opening for like a 1990s fighting game and dry in a little bit.
Yeah.
Let's continue with the tales of Wudon for a little bit longer.
Evolution requires pain.
While others complain that they do not feel happy enough, I'm happy.
I'm struggling.
I don't want to be happy.
I want to be great.
This is the beauty of life as a man, all caps.
We are born valueless.
All caps.
Man.
You either build yourself into a king or you fail.
Atop Wudon, I told priestmaster Yan Hui how at peace I felt amongst the trees.
I could feel life all around me.
Sitting at the foot of the largest tree, I asked him, when life is so beautiful, why do we fight?
His reply was simple.
Do you think the largest tree you sit beneath grew so tall amongst many if it didn't fight?
In a previous life, I lived 5,000 years atop Wudon Mountain.
I remember every lived second.
Now, I wanted to highlight this story because it's an example of like the perfect flaws in this style of thinking, like how it's not just like silly on its face, but actually if you attempt to engage with it scientifically, and he is trying to make a scientific argument here, it's also a perfectly wrong understanding of forest ecology and biology.
Obviously, there's a lot of competition in nature, a lot of competition among trees and plants.
There's also a huge amount of cooperation.
One of the, I believe it's acacia trees in a chunk of Africa, like when they start being fed on by herbivores, the trees will start to release like a pheromone, essentially, that will warn the other trees that they're being fed on so that they can start production of a tannin that's poisonous to the animals.
And so like the trees communicate as a grove to work together to protect themselves.
And likewise, the animals have evolved over time to only eat little bits of the trees at a time before it starts to get poisonous.
There's this thing actually.
Anyway, it's...
Dude, that tree must be so good to still risk eating a little bit.
It's got to be delicious.
Yeah.
What if you were like, all right, you can eat some Cheetos, but after 45 seconds, there's cyanide in them.
The bag of Cheetos will defend itself.
Exactly.
I do think that Andrew Tate thinks he's like a philosopher.
Or like, it makes you wonder how philosophers become philosophers because like I think he's in his mind, he's saying something really profound, right?
Yeah.
I mean, the truth is that like a lot of philosophers are guys like Andrew Tate and that they were just assholes who said stupid shit and a lot of people listened to them.
You know, for every Diogenes, there's a Kant.
Fuck a mind, Immanuel Kant.
So I wanted to highlight a little more about how wrong this fucking attitude towards trees is.
I don't know why, but there's an article on AmericanForest.org that I read years ago that I started thinking about as soon as this came up because it's one of like the saddest stories I've ever read.
The article title is almost impossibly bleak.
It's titled The Trees That Miss the Mammoths.
And it's about the Osage orange tree, which I believe is what we call Bodark, what we white folks call Bodark in the South.
But it's one of the hardest trees on Earth.
And you can grow it into like fence posts and stuff.
Like that's what they used to do with it is they used to like seed it specifically so that they could like make fences and stuff out of it.
It's also indigenous Americans used it to make bows because it's a really good tree for making bows from.
But one of the weird things about it is that it's incredibly geographic, naturally, it's incredibly geographically isolated.
doesn't grow out of this tiny area in like Oklahoma and Texas.
And it has these massive green fleshy fruits.
They're these huge green fruits.
We used to call them horse apples because they were all over all over the farm I grew up.
Horse apples.
Yeah, I would huck them at cows.
I was six.
Look, you can't judge me for it.
But yeah, there are these, we called them horse apples, and you can't eat them, right?
They're inedible for basically everybody because the seeds are so hard.
I think there's a couple of animals that did not naturally eat them, but will eat them now once we've seen them.
I'm looking at them now.
Yeah, they're wild.
They're massive.
They're massive fruits.
And nothing eats them really anymore.
And they don't spread naturally.
They're so heavy that they don't get spread widely around.
Birds don't eat them and poop the seeds out.
Are they still alive?
Well, they barely are.
Mostly the reason why they're still alive is that we have intentionally bred them because we wanted the wood.
So tree nerds have been trying to figure out like, what the fuck is up with this stuff?
Why would a tree evolve to have fruit that's so hard and so heavy and doesn't spread?
Like that seems like a bad evolutionary idea.
And the understanding they've come to is that it's because, oh, well, the trees co-evolved with mammoths and giant sloths.
And that's what would eat their fruit and would spread their seeds.
And when all of the giant sloths and mammoths were hunted to extinction, there was nothing to spread the tree seeds anymore.
So they stopped spreading around.
And it's this evidence that as much as competition is a part of nature, so is collaboration and interdependency, you know, because it's not like the mammoth isn't saying, I'm going to spread these seeds.
And the tree isn't saying, I'm going to feed these mammoths in exchange for them spreading my seeds.
But that's the way it works out.
They were both dependent on each other.
And now that these species that they used to depend on is gone, the August Osage tree, despite how hard and tough and strong it is, it's an incredibly strong plant.
It can't breed on its own.
Robin is talking about this.
Connecting Success Gurus and Tate00:07:18
Because it proves Andrew Tate wrong, I think.
Because he's wrong about trees, Sophie.
The tree is just missing its buddies.
And it's been missing them for centuries.
That's really sad.
I thought we were on a different show for a second.
I'm like, we're doing something that I feel like would be very could happen here to explain tree facts.
No.
No, it's.
It's a fuckery, Robert.
Where are you?
The fuckery is he's lying about trees to children.
And children are going to grow up not knowing about the giant sloth and the Osage orange tree.
And that makes me angry.
Okay.
You just got to have horrors.
You are right.
He is wrong.
Fuck him.
Okay.
Okay.
But Sophie.
I hear what you're saying.
You want more Andrew Tate fuckery.
And I'm going to give you slightly more than you bargained for here because in trying to find copies of The Way of Wudon, I found the saddest post that I have ever seen on Reddit.
It is, it is heartbreaking.
This is from the Cobra Tate subreddit, which is listed as the only official community of Andrew Cobra Tate.
It's only got 3.7,000 members too, which is nada.
Anyway, the post is titled The Way of Wu Don, and it's written by a user named Alfred Cipher about nine months ago.
And I'm going to read this.
Just hold on to your hearts because this is going to break them.
Shireen, I'll hold your heart.
You hold my heart.
Please.
There you go.
There you go.
I perhaps should have said hold on to your gag reflex, but here we go.
It may sound like a fairy tale, but this story couldn't be more realistic.
What I'm about to share is the story of how my trajectory in life changed literally overnight.
How I found my path to Wudon.
Not gonna lie, I was a brutal loser, and I'm being modest about how I'm describing it.
I was way worse, already dead, if I might add.
I had no friends.
The people in my life were shitty and put me down every single chance they got.
I was alone, depressed, and lazy, not to mention stupid.
The worst part of it was I knew all these things.
Deep down, I knew who I truly was, and my mind made it clear to me every single day.
A sore loser.
Nobody wanted me.
I hid myself at home just to cope with the pain.
It got worse.
It got to a point where I lost all hope.
I had no hope anymore.
And I lost every battle before they even began.
The way I got to know Tate was just as miraculous, if I might say.
There are a lot of success gurus and motivational speakers out there, but the first time I saw an Andrew Tate clip, something immediately clicked.
I don't know what it is.
I got drawn to him instantly.
The Cobra head snapped its victim.
Oh my God.
I know.
That one hurts.
That hurt to read.
From that first clip, I immediately searched him on YouTube.
And surprise, surprise, he had his own YouTube channel.
I watched each video down to the last bit.
His speeches just stripped me of all.
I will give you that.
It's horrible.
It's so horrible.
His speeches just stripped me of all the victim coat mentality until I saw myself in my true form again, a form I swore never to reveal again.
I was there, all of my losses flooding my mind, teasing me of how much a loser I still was and still am.
It was ruthless.
But Taint went ahead and said this one thing: one thing that makes the difference.
He said, But you can have everything, everything you've ever wanted.
It's a matter of how bad do you want it.
And from that moment, it was my first time to see the light.
And then he added this, I will show you the way.
Will you listen?
That got me started on my path.
I borrowed the cash and an ATM to pay for Hustlers University.
I really wanted it.
I really, really wanted it.
And I enrolled.
Don't even get me started on Hustlers University.
The content, the professors, the students, and the mindset change that hits you is astronomical.
I would literally go broke just to remain in Hustlers University.
It's more than just what you see.
Every day, you get to see 60,000 brothers hustle and grind with one aim: money.
Okay, this is written by Andrew Tate.
He made an account.
He made it himself.
It might be, but he's got a lot of.
Oh my God.
Wait, this is so key.
And everybody's half of these responses are making fun of him.
Yeah.
I mean, like the people that actually worship him, it's just like, it's culty.
No, it's for sure culty, but it's also just like it's sad.
It's sad in a way.
Yes.
And there's so, and there's still so many.
Yeah.
Because Robert, they want to connect with someone so, so deeply and so badly.
It's just like they miss the opportunity to connect with someone that's actually like worth their time.
And so I don't know.
It's someone that would help them actually improve as a human being.
Yeah.
And it's this idea that, like, and again, I think this goes back to what's incredible.
One of the things that's incredibly toxic about what Tate is trying to push here: this idea that like everything is competition.
The only real way to like prove your mastery is by either acquiring women or by acquiring money.
And you're fighting with everybody except for these people you pay to hang out with, right?
Like that is a recipe.
I don't mean this.
I'm not trying to like say this lightly.
That's a recipe for suicide.
Like that is the end result of thinking that way.
You either get out of that thoughts or like because it's deeply, profoundly toxic.
To capitalize on that is so, so monstrous.
You know what I mean?
To capitalize on that feeling of like isolating people and being like, this has the potential to destroy people.
I feel like that is so, so evil.
It's it's very evil.
It's very like America, too.
Right.
Because this is, I was just, I was watching a documentary last night about, it was like a YouTube documentary about Tony Robbins.
And Robbins is At one point, kind of the more mass media acceptable version of Andrew Tate.
At this point, Tate's might be a bigger name.
But they both have a lot in common, including this, like one of the things Robbins would do is attack women who came on and talked about the fact that they were suicidalist.
Like he would always accuse them of like using suicide as a weapon against the man they were in a relationship with.
Whereas if like a man came on and expressed suicidal thoughts, he would show this kind of like sympathy towards them and stuff.
Like there's these weird, there's these weird trends that are like ever present across these grifters.
And like ultimately, the big thing that like the guys like Tate and Robbins are pushing is this idea of like masculine mastery and female submission being kind of the cornerstone of happiness.
And I, I, it's, it's deeply like it, it, one of the things that it does that I think is so heartbreaking is it kind of like removes the possibility for identification with other human beings on any kind of meaningful emotional level, which is as a cult leader, by the way, what you want.
You don't want members of your cult to be able to connect emotionally with anybody else, right?
With independent of you, because that's how you make your money is there, is their fundamental brokenness.
And that's kind of how a huge amount of the American economy works, right?
Like it's all grifts and cons all the way down.
Andrew Tate is just better at it than most people.
Right.
I mean, fundamental brokenness.
That was that whole that was good, good poetry that you just said right there.
It's heartbreaking because you're right.
It's damn speaking of heartbreaking.
Breaking Free From Money Grifts00:03:33
Oh, good.
Well, yes.
Yes.
We're going to move on to Andrew Tate's 2022 book.
But I thought that was your segue to that.
What are you doing?
Yeah, but first, but first, check out these Andrew Tate approved products.
No, no, no.
Oh, should I not do that, Sophie?
I'm just trying to make us some money here.
You should absolutely not do that.
Especially if it's those baked in ones we have to do soon.
Oh, no.
It's okay.
Eventually he'll get out of prison and then we can then, yeah, we can collab.
We can finally do a podcast together.
No.
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Surviving On $200 A Month00:14:50
Ah, we're back.
So, the book that we're going to be reading for the rest of our episode today is called The Tate Bible.
It was published in 2022 and was written by Andrew Tate and someone named G Slim.
Who the fuck is G Slim?
I don't know.
There was a gangster rapper named G Slim with two M's from New Orleans, but he died in October of 1996 when he was shot by several people.
So, I don't think it's this G Slim.
I think it's unlikely to be the G Slim who died in 1996.
Oh, this like came out very like some of like yes, this came out last year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I think it's unlikely.
And the only other G Slim searches that I'm getting immediately on my search engine are for vaporizers.
So, he either wrote this with a dead man or a vape, which actually really fits for Andrew Tate, to be entirely honest.
Oh my God.
Oh, wait, no, I got an email for G Slim.
Huh?
I did the mistake of skimming through some Amazon reviews, and now I want to die.
Oh, yeah.
What are you seeing?
What's making you feel so bad?
Most of them are five stars.
That's good.
That's good.
So we're reading a good one.
Yeah, exactly.
The ones that are three stars aren't even about the book being bad, but this is what a three-star one sounds like.
The book I love, but when Amazon shipped it, they threw it in a box with the other items I got and it got bent up really bad.
That irritates me.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
I hope he's learned how to.
Anyway, so I want to ask it for their boyfriend.
No.
Listen, folks, I'm going to tell you right now, I did not pay for this.
I found a free PDF posted online.
The PDF is watermarked from a Telegram channel called Get Seduction Bible.
I don't know if this is authorized or if this is illegal, and I don't really care because I'm, number one, I'm pretty sure we're covered by fair you used to here.
And number two, Andrew Tate is in a Romanian prison.
So I think his legal hands are tied at the moment.
Either way, it opens after the, you know, the chapter listing and stuff.
It opens with, I'm so sorry, Shireen.
Actually, brace yourself here.
Fuck you.
Dear friend, brace yourself.
Shireen, I have your heart.
You still have my heart always.
Yes.
What is left of it?
It opens with the Tate's prayer.
No.
No.
How is this person real?
I don't understand how to get away with being him.
I can never tell quite with this guy how much of it is supposed to be a joke because there's two questions, right?
What of it does he mean as a joke?
And what isn't like just narcissistic delusion?
And then the other question is like, what of it do his that is a joke is realized by his fans to be a joke.
And it's impossible to tell.
So I'm going to read the Tate's prayer for you, Shireen, because I know you need more religion in your life.
Yeah, I guess so.
R. Tate, who art in Bucharest, he sure is because he's in prison there.
Andrew be thy name.
Thy kingdom come through cam and fun.
Oh, online as it is on the blockchain.
Oh, man.
Oh, God.
Oh, that really, I felt like a vile curdle in my guts.
I feel like you cursed everyone.
I know.
I feel like I'm what's your name in the mummy movie reading from the book of the dead?
I'm unleashing a terrible curse.
I just started to read and I hear the wind whistling through the howl of demons barely contained, but then I continue reading.
Thy kingdom come through cam and fun online as it is on the blockchain.
Give us this day our daily vodka and forgive those, the shit munchers, for their trespasses against us.
Lead us to women for temptation and deliver us unto our dominoes.
For his is the Lambo, the McLaren, and Ferrari.
Forever with Tristan.
That's his brother.
Amen.
Wow.
You just listed up a bunch of brands.
Wow.
Wow.
Oh, my God.
I have to, I have to.
Sophie, let me screen share.
You need to see the photo that comes right after the Tate's prayer.
Do I, do I, do I have to see this?
No, this is, this is necessary.
I'm afraid this is like morally necessary.
Here we go.
What the fuck is that?
Oh, no.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
So it's, it's a, I'm guessing what used to be like a drawing of Jesus surrounded by five young women who look suspiciously Mormon, uh, but Andrew Tate's face has been photoshopped.
Let me fact-check you.
There are only four women in that photo.
Four women.
Sorry.
I do.
They each have a different hair color, which is which is fun.
The flower in his hand is also a woman.
I don't know, Sophie.
Maybe?
Yes, there's a Zoom button at the top.
Middle.
Soviet.
Middle.
Soviet.
Soviet.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And he has sunglasses on always, of course.
Yeah, he's always got his sunglasses on.
This is so.
What are they holding?
Are those supposed to be like roses?
Yeah, those look like roses.
And like chalices, maybe.
Oh, I don't see chalices.
I see.
We're all looking at him at any rate.
So obsessed.
It's very, very unsettling.
How this book came to be.
Disclaimer.
During the first COVID lockdown in the UK, I was sat around scrolling through Twitter.
I had never seen nor heard of Andrew Tate before, but someone I follow must have retweeted him.
I remember reading the tweet and laughing at it.
So I went to his Of Woodon Twitter profile and had to look through the posts.
It was incredible.
Who the fuck was this guy?
Was he for real or was it a parody account?
For the next hour, I did nothing but scroll through his tweets.
Jesus.
And these weren't just singular tweets like your average person posts, but long threads that I got lost in.
They flew from subject to subject, dropping controversy, humor, and pearls of wisdom alike.
I won't lie to you.
I genuinely still thought it was a parody account.
I couldn't believe anyone actually thought like this.
Surely it was a windup.
Wait, what are you reading from now?
This is the intro to the book.
That's insane.
This is his own book.
Yeah.
And so I closed Twitter and went about my day.
But the thing was, I couldn't stop thinking about it.
At the back of my mind, a realization had started.
I thought that actually this guy was the real deal.
It wasn't a joke.
It wasn't some prankster trolling everyone.
So the next day I found his YouTube channel and fell down the biggest fucking rabbit hole in existence.
Tate speech, the hateful Tates, The War Room, Tate Confidential.
God damn it.
Over the next few months during lockdown, I would dip in and out of all this content.
And on this journey of discovery, I noticed one thing kept popping up into comments.
Tate, you should write a book.
Several times I saw this, and when he bothered to reply, Andrew would scornfully say the same thing.
I ain't got time to write a book.
I'm too busy driving a McLaren through the Alps.
You can't argue with that.
Oh.
He's not doing that no more.
He's not doing that no more.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
I find it compelling that like, or at least valuable data that like this weirdo who wrote G-Slim, who wrote the Tate Bible with Andrew, fell into this rabbit hole during the pandemic when he was alone at home.
Like we know intellectually that's how a lot of this stuff that's metastasized now started, but it's at least useful to get another fucking piece of data on that.
I'm going to continue.
I decided right then and there that I was going to write the book.
I needed to be in this man's life.
Jesus Christ.
I needed to be in the war room.
I needed to change my life.
I needed a fucking all caps Lambo exclamation point, exclamation point.
Let's do it.
Also in all caps with three exclamation points.
And then in the next days, nothing.
That little doubting voice that tells you you'll never be able to do it appears in your head.
It took me weeks of questioning myself to even get started.
And even when then I stopped halfway through and thought long and hard about whether I should continue.
But am I going to be a loser?
Am I going to fail to follow through?
After all, what's the worst that can happen?
He might tell me to fuck off and I realize I've wasted my time, but I can handle that.
What I can't handle is always thinking what might have happened if I'd finished and it all works out.
What if a year later someone else does it and it's a huge success?
Good news.
It was not.
Yeah.
So I decided I would complete the book in total secrecy and then get a physical paper back printed to gift to him.
This I hoped would get the seal of approval.
Oh my God.
So this guy just watches all of Andrew's videos over and over again and transcribes them.
These are transcriptions of Andrew Tate videos.
Listen, the thing is, I don't believe anything this book says.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't really think you can't.
You don't trust anybody?
No, I don't fucking trust G Slim.
Wow, Shireen, that's pretty offensive.
I've never heard.
G Slim died in a gunfight in 1996 for you and then came back to write this book.
Andrew Tate brought him there.
That's what I assume.
This is like so insufferable.
Continue.
Oh, man.
How many pages is this book?
It's a lot, Shireen.
It's a lot.
There's no page.
Oh, wait, no, there are page numbers.
Let me scroll down and see if I can answer that for you.
Too many.
Too many pages.
You're completely correct.
Okay.
Only some of the pages have page numbers, but there's at least 283 of them.
That's a lot of fucking.
That's way too many pages.
That's way too many.
That's way too many.
That is like a heartbreaking number of pages.
First off, I'm going to say this and it's going to sound mean, but this man is already dead inside G Slim.
Like, he's passed on years ago in his soul.
Like, there's nothing left but a whisper and a ghost and the knowledge that he's fucking wrote a book about Andrew Tate that is by Andrew Tate that Andrew Tate never saw.
I mean, you think that's mean, but I don't think this person exists.
So we have two opposing views here.
Oh, you don't think G-Slim is real?
I don't think this is like, I just, I can't trust anything that Andrew Tate is involved with.
Like, I really don't.
It all sounds like someone's own fantasy of like being famous.
That's, I mean, he is famous, unfortunately.
A lot of it was, he didn't have nearly as much money as he pretended to.
Like, he, like, one of the funny things about Andrew, so he's got this, he's got his big Hustlers University, which is the place you pay like 50 bucks a month for.
And then he's got the war room, which you pay $5,000 to be a member of.
And it gets you into all these Discord chats with his, you know, he framed it as like, this is the most powerful secret society on earth.
I've got men in every government and like people who will show up in any country if I need them.
I can solve any problem with this.
Like if you fuck with me, you know, this powerful cadre, he gets arrested.
Nobody does shit, right?
Because it was all a bunch of marks who paid five grand to be in a Discord chat with Andrew Tate.
So to that extent, like, yes, it is all lies and smoke and mirrors.
I think I just realized the difference.
Okay, this is where this is the landing point to get on.
You believe it because you understand that people like this exist in the world.
And I'm just in denial.
You know what I mean?
I'm in denial that someone could actually do this.
I've spent a lot of time in the manosphere, you know, following since years before Andrew Tate, following, you know, reading blogs like We Hunted the Mammoth and just like going and myself and reading conversations.
And I think the most durable lesson I've learned is that if something sounds like the most depressing, sad thing that could ever possibly exist and you're wondering if it's real, yes, it is.
So I do believe that a guy spent his pandemic re-watching Andrew Tate videos, then wrote a book and like asked Andrew for his approval to sell it and give Andrew the money.
I do believe that occurred.
I mean, you've kind of convinced me right now, too, because people like that definitely exist, unfortunately.
Despite my, my, my own wishes.
It's all heartbreaking, but we should probably just soldier through to the first chapter of Tate's wisdom.
The truth about your ego.
We're going to be talking about ego and why it's super important that you have an ego.
In fact, the biggest worms I've met in my life are people who don't have egos.
If you don't have an ego, you don't care about how you're perceived.
And there's not only how you're perceived by others, but you also don't care about how you perceive yourself.
If you're going to become morbidly obese, you don't have an ego.
You can't have an ego and become a morbidly obese person.
Now, I think a lot of people get confused because there are two types of egos.
You've got people who have egos that don't deserve it and people who have egos who have earned it and justified it.
That's okay.
I mean, for one thing, like he's transposing like the actual psychological concept of an ego with just thinking you're hot shit, right?
Like that's clearly what it means.
But also just like, I don't know, if you're actually because Andrew talks a lot about like aestheticism and, you know, these kind of like stoic virtues and harkens back to these Greek philosophers and these kind of Chinese philosophers, all of them would have said the same thing about ego, which is that like you have to conquer your, you're like, like caring about what other people think is not a path towards power.
It's maybe a path that gets you arrested by the Romanian authorities because your ego made you brag about your criminal sex trafficking operation.
Yes.
That's what I might say.
So yeah, that's funny.
All right.
So this whole rant is about his concept of ego.
Let's go down to the next section.
It's titled.
It's so funny when people misunderstand what that word means entirely, though.
I think that's so funny.
Yeah.
It's also just like people have egos about different things.
There are people who don't care about their physical appearance, but care deeply about how they are perceived mentally or about, you know, how people like their music or whatever.
Like that's not.
Anyway, all of this is silly.
Everything he says is silly.
Here's his next chapter.
Do girls love money?
A lot of people say girls love money, and that's not entirely true.
They think that if you have money, you're going to get girls, but it's incorrect.
I know loads of very rich men who don't have girls.
And I know loads of old, fat, ugly rich guys who are desperately trying to throw money at girls.
And these girls won't fuck them because they don't really care about money.
Girls like the trappings of money without seeing the actual money.
A girl doesn't want you to sit there and say you earn this much, that you have this.
They don't give a fuck.
What they want is a black Mercedes to pick them up from their house and take them to the restaurant.
Now, this is funny, Shireen, because we know from information that's come out since his arrest that one of Andrew's hobbies was to find girls in Romania, like children, like high school girls, on Instagram, and then repeatedly hit on them and offered to pick them up in his black Mercedes.
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And we have like they nearly always said, like, no, you're a creep and a weirdo.
He just did it so often that he would find, you know, a few people to victimize, like that.
That was his actual flirtation strategy.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
Just trying to just probability-wise, trying to hack the system.
Just like, if I do this times, yeah.
That's what all these guys do, right?
Like, it's all about if you, I mean, yeah, if you are like, there's so many people in the world that if you just constantly hit on every woman that you see, someone will want to pick up what you're putting down, right?
Right.
And they kind of take that very basic fact and then, and the fact that they're also like mentally abusing children in a lot of cases who don't have as much judgment or even the kind of like formalized ideas of what they like as people or even like their entire brain function or whatever.
Exactly, exactly.
And they transpose that to their fans as like, these are the hacks for getting women.
And it's like, well, no, you're just being like a weird, sad creep.
And 99% of the people you talk to think you're gross.
And then you're conning a bunch of dumb young men into believing that like this is the trick to being James Bond.
Right.
Yeah.
Anyway, like, I feel like I don't know.
I forget what his name is because it's irrelevant and stupid.
But when I was in high school, there was like a pickup artist that was like the same kind of vibe that Andrew Tate is, but like he was like, he like introduced the word like negging.
You know what I mean?
Like so that is, and he was also bald, I'm pretty sure.
But I don't know what that's about.
Not bald by choice, I guess.
Yeah.
But it's interesting to think like, would that have happened if the internet was like it is now?
Or do people like this just like, does there always have to be someone that these like vulnerable young people are subject to?
Like it's, it's really because they're not new ideas.
They're just like recycled and said in different ways.
No, they're not new.
And this kind of guy isn't new, right?
Like if you even want to go back to the turn of the last century, a lot of the early kind of people who guys like Gabriel D'Anunzio, who like became fascists and led to the early stages of that movement, were like masculinity influencers, right?
There was, and it was because you had this, you know, there's not a lot of room for purchase for these guys in an era in which like most men are working in like a farm or something, or like even in a factory.
But once you start getting like a lot of white collar jobs where people are like sitting down and filing paperwork all day, it's easy to, number one, that's not often very rewarding work.
And it's easy to convince a chunk of the people doing that job that like, oh, in the past, you would have been a Viking and you would have had a beautiful woman on your arm and lots of booty and you'd be fighting all the time and getting this anger that's deep inside you out.
And I think for at least like 150 years or so, it's been a pretty profitable thing to mine that vein of insecurity that a chunk of the male population, particularly in the middle class, is going to have.
Tate is kind of an evolved form of that.
Yeah, totally.
I mean, hand in hand in that, unfortunately, is always like objectifying and women and like not even just not even just objectifying like sexually, but like making them objects.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, because for one thing, like if the primary lever that you're pulling is the insecurity of your audience, nothing makes the kind of men who are vulnerable to Tate insecure, like the idea that a woman they're into has like a life and freedom of her own to like not want to hang out with you if you're being like a weird, gross creep.
Yeah, that people that's the worst thing in the world with them.
Like what there was, there was a shooter, like a mass shooter that had that mentality.
Like these, these girls rejected him.
And so he got literally.
You're going to Elliot, yeah, from Santa Barbara.
Exactly, yes.
But like, he was someone that thought all those things and had access to a firearm and the desire to do that.
Like, imagine it's just, it's just a recipe for disaster.
Like, it's, you mentioned it's like a recipe for suicide.
It's like that.
And also just like general like death.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's all death cults all the way down.
But you know what's not a death cult, Shireen?
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That's right.
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Boy, I loved those blue apron ads.
They're certainly not a death cult.
Please, please, please don't.
Thank you.
That's the end of that one.
Please don't be serious.
Please don't message us.
Yeah, are you saying they are a death cult, Sophie?
Because I'm trying to tell people that they're not.
I'm saying, please, please, please.
Okay.
This is the most positive things I've heard Robert say about blue aprons.
Yeah, yeah.
I've turned the corner.
Yeah.
Let's continue with our Tate Bible.
If we must.
Let me tell you something about having a Lamborghini.
It's $200,000 to buy, $10,000 a year to service, $11,000 a year in insurance.
Forget that I've replaced the windscreen twice this year from stone chips, which is another $10,000.
Forget the miscellaneous costs.
It's about $300,000 to $400,000 I spent so far on a car that has no guarantee of getting girls.
But what does it do is if I pull up outside of a nightclub or a high school in my Lamborghini, then girls look at me.
He doesn't say that, but that's what he does.
Then girls look at me and think, well, I don't see that kind of car very often.
That's interesting.
Who is he?
How does he afford a Lamborghini?
If I continue to talk to a girl, I have about 20 or 30 seconds to say something interesting and continue to be an interesting person.
Otherwise, I'm going to lose her.
What it does is it facilitates an opener.
It gets a tiny bit of interest, but it's still my job to finish the interest off.
If I'm a boring cunt and she asks, how'd you get a Lambo?
And I sit there and go, well, the Lamborghini has a V10 5.2 liter engine.
She doesn't give a fuck about the fucking engine in the car.
If a girl sees your Lamborghini, it gives you an opener.
It's interesting because it's all about like, it's not about actually being an interesting person or like being appealing.
It's about having these devices that make you look interesting, which is always the, oh boy, oh boy.
Nobody's going to be able to do it.
Like you don't have to get a personality or be nice or anything.
You just have to have objects to distract people with.
Yeah.
Then there's this baffling line.
Let me tell you what you get if you buy a Lamborghini.
The only people who genuinely adore you when you have a Lamborghini are 10-year-old boys.
They see it drive past and their eyes light up and they start waving their hands and they'll do anything to get in your car.
So unless you're a pedophile, there's no point in buying a Lamborghini to get pussy.
Now, what's interesting to me about this is that like he's right about that in that he's he's he's saying a truth about his business, which is that the only people who are impressed by a guy bragging about his Lamborghini are young children.
Because that's his audience.
That's who he is trying to.
That's why all these schools are trying to de-radicalize kids from Tate is because, and he knows it.
He knows that like the only thing that is, the only people who are impressed by my act are children and people with the minds of children.
Just, I mean, that sentence was also just like heartbreaking.
Yeah.
Intense and not needed, but not surprising that it's in there.
Wow.
It's, I mean, oh my God.
I think it's, it's sad that because young people are so easily influenced, but like I was still kind of like scrolling through these reviews.
And one of these reviews is talking about how this person sent it to their son and how they like they for encouragement and in hopes of letting helping out the fire under him, how Tate is standing up against the Matrix, how this is like a better way to teach little girls and boys or whatever.
But like, it's sad that it also has like seeped into the minds of like parrots.
And like, I don't, I just can't, I don't know.
I'm kind of rambling now because these reviews are like breaking my brain, but um, but yeah, I just think that's that's crazy.
Yeah, uh, the next thing is his 50 tips for being a man, which no, no, no, oh, yeah, no, these are great.
There's all sorts of wild shit in here, including lay it on us, reject sex from a beautiful woman.
The red pill dorks are desperate for sex.
At my level, you refuse to let a woman have you simply because she's beautiful.
She has to deserve a man like me.
I reject stunning women all the time.
It's good for the soul.
Okay.
It's it is, I gotta say, there's something technically impressive about turning the manfluencer Grift around from like, I'm gonna teach you how to get girls every time to like, I don't even need to have sex.
Right.
That's that's how that's how much of a stud I am is I don't even fuck a lot of the time.
That is so interesting because you're right.
The other pickup artist person I'm thinking of, it was all about getting women.
Yeah, yeah, that's that it is interesting.
And I think it's an evidence of kind of like why his grift has been successful is that he's taking a spin on the stuff that people have been doing for a long time.
Yeah.
It's like, oh, I don't have sex normally.
That means I'm cool.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm so cool that I don't always have sex.
Yeah.
It's my choice.
Yeah.
Which, like, it's perfectly fine to not want to have sex.
It's just interesting to me that like his whole grift is clearly about here's how you become rich and get babes.
And this is part of like what how he sells it to people.
I think it's because the majority of people, if you have to choose between the two options, are they're not fucking all the time, but they want to be fucking all the time and/or like they're not doing that at all.
So I think he's going with the majority, being like, How can I have the most people relate to this?
I can tell them that them not fucking is actually a power, a power play, you know?
Yeah.
There's um, most of this is really boring stuff, but I got to read you number 15.
Do you?
Okay.
You'll like this one.
Get arrested.
A couple nights in jail is good for you.
I've accumulated about two weeks across different incidences.
I think that might just be the perfect amount.
That is what I've ever heard.
That is the way I've ever heard in my life.
Good news, Andrew.
You're about to get a lot more jail experience.
God.
I mean, he did it.
It's so funny.
He's following his own rules.
He did this to himself, like quite literally.
But also, just like the idea to write that down in a book or say that out loud and get it transcribed or whatever the fuck this book is, is crazy.
Like that is, it is just, I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Wow.
These episodes really break my brain.
And that's the goal.
Broken it feels.
So that's the that's always the goal here at Behind the Bastards.
Number 21: Get a loan and refuse to pay it back.
Sell or transfer your assets first or do it just before you move country.
Cash enslaves people.
It's not fair.
The banks are absolute criminals and you need to get some small retribution.
They'll simply print more money.
Fuck them.
Which, like, I don't have a problem with stealing from the bank.
But Andrew, getting a loan and then just like not paying it back has consequences for people in many cases.
Like, okay, that's going to come back to bite your fans.
I don't think that's what he does.
I think he gets loans from maybe individual people and never pays them back.
But I'm pretty sure.
Anyway, whatever.
Number 22, become very good at stealing.
I never ever order a coffee from Starbucks without stealing something from the front right under the dickhead's nose.
Never steal from small businesses, steal from the okay.
That one's fine.
I do.
Yeah, I like low-key agree with steal from that's okay.
That's it.
Look, even a stopped clock is going to be right about shoplifting.
Yeah.
So, okay, let's move past.
But he's doing it to like, like, he insulted the person that doesn't catch him.
He's doing it to like be like, I am, I'm better than you.
I can get away with this also.
It's not just about giving it to the man or whatever.
Yeah.
Choose a book about a story that sounds interesting.
A man who's traveling around Africa or a man who decided to sail the Mediterranean, a professional boxer, whatever.
Throw the fucking book away and go do it yourself.
Living is better than reading.
Good stuff.
Maybe if you had read a couple of stories about, I don't know, Al Capone, maybe you wouldn't have wound up in solitary confinement going crazy, fighting ghosts.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
All right.
Well, let's move along.
So it's just all shit like this.
All this, all this.
Lots of there's transcripts of him talking on podcasts.
My God.
That's what kind of sad people.
What kind of sad man turns this into a book?
You can make a book too, I guess.
Anyone out there?
Yeah, somebody turn all of my great wisdom on my podcast appearances into a book.
That's crazy.
Oh, wow.
Anything can be a book.
Anything can be a book.
Yeah, anything can be a book.
So I've scrolled down to the bottom here.
And I was going to just read you the last page, but then I came across this.
Oh, no.
A lot of men take all the frames I used in my webcam business and apply it to their marriage.
And they say their marriage has never been better.
It's amazing, but unsurprising because women are women and men are men.
But all in all, I genuinely want the best for everybody.
And I look forward to speaking to a feminist.
I hope I can deprogram her and she can get her ass married, have some kids, make her man at dinner, and finally become a good woman and stop talking shit.
So I look forward to talking with a feminist, and I'll fix her brain.
No problem.
I'll fix her brain.
No.
No problem.
Also, a feminist can do all those things, just like a heads up.
She can't get married and have fucking kids or whatever the shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
That's probably all of the Tate Bible we need to go through today.
Do you feel like you learned something, Shireen?
I mean, I guess I genuinely learned that I shouldn't be in denial of the things that freak me out and like I don't want to believe, because people like this exist and it's better to be aware of them existing in the world versus not be aware of that and then I don't know.
Here's a genuine lesson I've learned today.
It's heartbreaking um, but uh, people like this are real.
Uh, in some sense, you know we can.
What is real?
What is reality depressing?
Yeah, the matrix did it work?
Did reading his book work?
Uh, I think that we've all escaped the matrix in our own way today.
And uh, and now we know, I don't know uh, what is escaping the matrix if not getting paid to talk on a microphone in your underpants?
Right, we've broken the matrix.
And if you send if you send, Shireen and I five thousand dollars, we will put you in a discord chat with everyone else who paid us five thousand dollars and we will pretend that we're going to show up in that discord chat and talk to you occasionally.
So I mean it.
It's tempting the way you say it in words.
And yeah, what's my cut?
Yeah uh Sophie uh, 50.
I'm going to need at least 51.
Wow.
Gonna need management.
Wow.
Wow.
Shireen, we might have to go to war here.
I mean, this is all, it's all or nothing.
We have or just double the charge, 10,000 each.
Yeah, what about, yeah, let's make it 10K.
Let's make it 10,000.
That'll be fine.
You can have it.
That'll be 1051%.
Wow.
Wow.
Well, we're going to deal with all this offline.
But everybody, if you mail $5,000 or $10,000 to us, eventually we'll figure out how to split it up.
I can promise you that.
Yes.
Yes.
All right, everybody.
Shireen, do you have any plug anything?
I have a podcast as well.
It's called Ethnically Ambiguous if you guys want to check it out.
I just made this little short film called How Can I Be Present When Photographs Exist.
It's like this little, it's just a window into my brain recently.
If you guys have any curiosity about what that is, but I think that's it.
You can follow me on social media if you want to.
What are your handles?
Oh, right.
Instagram is Shiro Hero.
And Twitter is ShiroHero666.
I do want to point out, because I know the word Shiro is like, some people use it as like the female version of Hero.
That is not my name.
It's a nickname that I have my whole life from my family.
It's Shiro Hiro.
Say it's your name.
And so I want everyone out there to know that's not why I chose that name.
It's my name.
I hate the idea of using Shiro for hero because hero is not a gendered name.
I know.
Like hero, the term hero does not apply masculine, imply masculine or feminine.
I think it just seems unnecessary.
It doesn't sound that way.
It's like, yeah.
Yeah.
It's like when people like try to de-gender the term folks by spelling it F-O-L-S.
Yeah, exactly.
Folks does not imply gender.
Exactly.
Why are we doing this?
It's fine as it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, yeah, adding an X to y'all.
It's like, no, we're good.
No one's good.
No, no, I don't.
No one's done that.
They will now.
They will now.
Let's make that be an R-Fans thing.
Yeah.
All right, everybody.
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