Jack Idema, a self-proclaimed Green Beret, exploited post-9/11 media frenzy to sell forged Al-Qaeda tapes and co-author The Hunt for Bin Laden with Robin Moore. Leading Task Force Saber 7 in Afghanistan, he engaged in torture and kidnapping with apparent U.S. military approval, eventually facing mail fraud charges rather than human rights violations. After serving ten years in a bribed luxury cell, Idema fled to Mexico, where his drug-fueled lifestyle led to HIV transmission to numerous partners, including girlfriend Penny Elise. His death in 2012 from AIDS-related complications highlights the catastrophic intersection of war profiteering, corruption, and public health crises in post-conflict zones. [Automatically generated summary]
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This is an episode about Jacedema, part two.
Now, when we laughed our friend off, he'd had a pretty winding path.
And it's kind of hard for me to summarize just because there's so much that's weird about this guy.
Why isn't scams out the wazoo?
Out the wazoo.
Every now and then, just enough credibility to some of them to where it's like, what's going on?
Is there something I'm missing?
Very hard to say.
That will continue, but the scams get a lot bolder from here on out.
It's like he snuck in the back door of so many war scenes and then people were turned around and were like, what the fuck are you doing here?
And I was like, let's just shoot people.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, he really traded on the fact that he was technically a green beret because people are like, well, I guess he knows how to train cops.
He was a green beret.
I guess he knows how to run a counterterrorism school.
He was a green beret.
I guess he can lead us into Afghanistan.
He was a green beret.
And nobody did the work to realize like, oh, all you did as a Green Beret was like pack parachutes.
Anyway, it's cool.
So the history of the modern U.S. Special Forces began on June 19th, 1952 at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, with the establishment of the 10th Special Forces Airborne Group.
Now, obviously, elite military operators had existed since the dawn of time.
Like the story of the Trojan Horse is kind of like the story of a special ops raid, basically.
That's true.
Yeah, it's kind of, yeah, more or less.
And elite German airborne units in World War II, the Falschworm Jäger, pioneered many of what we would consider like modern special forces strategies.
But it was not until the Vietnam War that special operators in the modern sense of the word really burst onto the modern stage.
So suddenly in Vietnam, you have, and, you know, these guys are actually doing shit, but they're also like showing up in the media, these elite, heavily armored badasses with special skills carrying out these unbelievable, death-defying missions.
So like the movies we get on there, like Rambo and Commando and fucking Predator, like these are all right when America, like kind of in the wake of Vietnam, America started to really fall in love with the idea of special forces guys.
Because it seems really romantic.
Like it's a job that's very fit to make movies about.
I actually had an uncle who was a Green Beret in Vietnam, and his job was basically to be alone in the jungle trying to lead groups of NVA patrols into ambushes.
And it's like fucked him up for the rest of his life.
And it's not a cool story.
But it made for good media stuff.
And so journalists, obviously, as soon as stories about Green Berets and Navy SEALs start hitting the world, like journalists who embed with soldiers start wanting to try and embed these guys, which was not an easy thing to do.
U.S. Special Forces from the beginning have had a very adversarial relationship with the media.
They build themselves as quiet professionals who are as exceptional in their discretion as they were in their fighting ability.
And that's all died out now because the assassination of Osam bin Laden meant that you could make millions of dollars if you were like a special forces guy who wrote a book afterwards.
Nice.
Yeah, but back in the day, you weren't supposed to talk about the shit you did in special forces.
And so journalists really couldn't get an angle on these guys.
And back in 2001, special forces dudes were still quiet professionals.
And the idea that any of them would speak directly to the media was nearly unthinkable.
There was only one journalist who actually had a shot at getting that kind of story.
He was the only U.S. journalist who ever had a real in-depth embed with U.S. Special Forces, Robin Moore.
Now, Moore was the author of the book The Green Berets, which that John Wayne movie that Jacadema had loved as a kid was based on.
And in order to write The Green Berets, Moore had to do something no civilian journalist had ever done.
He went through special forces training and qualification and like qualified as a Green Beret.
And because of his skills, he was allowed to travel with the Green Berets and report on what they did.
And it's kind of debatable as to what he did as to whether or not what he did was even really journalism because he took part in firefights and killed a shitload of people.
A lot of journalists will say you shouldn't do what Robin Moore did, but it's fair to say that he was a legend.
We're going to talk more about him later.
What matters right now is that the importance of special forces ramped up hugely during the start of the war on terror.
These guys were the bulk of the early effort in Afghanistan, and journalists were starving for information about what spec ops guys were doing and seeing.
As Ed Artis of Knightsbridge International told the Columbia Journalism Review, quote, the media were in a frenzy.
They were interviewing each other about what they'd interview someone else about if they had someone to interview.
So they're just like desperate to talk to any of these guys and none of them will talk.
And Jacadema sees this feeding frenzy and knew he'd found the perfect grift.
Because after all, he'd technically been in special forces and he was currently in Afghanistan.
So why shouldn't he present himself as an expert on what U.S. special forces were doing in Afghanistan?
So within a matter of weeks of the invasion, Edema has managed to establish himself as the mainstream media's leading expert on special forces and is one of its leading experts in Afghanistan.
The Columbia Journalism Review later noted, quote, he was treated as an expert on all three networks, was a terrorist hunter on Don Imus's radio show, a Northern Alliance advisor on Fox News, and a key source for Maryland Mapes and Dan Rather in 60 Minutes 2.
The fact that he is calling in from Afghanistan on the phone and had once been in special forces is all the backup anybody does.
And they're like, yeah, fucking listen to whatever he has to say.
He was in special forces.
I mean, he was in he was there.
In January of 2002, U.S. Special Forces cornered Osama bin Laden for what they were absolutely sure was the last time.
Spoilers, they were, it took about another decade.
Jack Edema began shopping around a set of tapes at the same time that held seven hours worth of videotaped al-Qaeda training sessions.
You've seen pieces of these tapes.
There's like a lot of like the guys going on jungle gyms and running around with rifles and stuff.
He first sold stills from several of these tapes to a number of media organizations, and a lot of them were like scary images of terrorist commandos doing armed drills.
Now, once the stills had whetted everyone's appetite, Edema contracted the William Morris PR agency to auction off what he claimed was the first ever U.S. broadcast rights of like terrorist training videos from Al-Qaeda that would like reveal what Al-Qaeda was planning to do in the United States.
So he delivered letters to all of the major, or his PR agency delivered letters to all the major networks, setting a minimum price of $150,000 and demanding that Jack Edema be credited when the tapes were aired.
Surprisingly, Fox said no, and so did NBC.
They were put off by the, yeah, they thought it was too expensive, and there was also, there was no supporting evidence that these tapes actually showed an al-Qaeda training base.
They were just guys with guns running around.
Running around.
No shit.
Yeah.
I love it.
Yeah.
An NBC producer later recalled there was no way to verify them.
It was either you trust Keith Adema or you don't.
CNN backed out too after their national security analyst did a cursory amount of Googling and discovered Keith Adema's criminal record and history of suing everyone he's ever talked to.
They were the only network to blacklist him as a source, as well as turn down his offer.
Now, some of the distrust of Edema and his tapes came from the fact that he seemed to have a different story about where they came from for every news agency that asked.
He told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that he'd bought the tapes from an intelligence asset after several back alley meetings at midnight.
He told NBC's Today show that he got them after he filmed a group of Northern Alliance fighters taking over a compound where the video was filmed.
Adima then claimed to have tracked down the camp's commander at home and hunted down other al-Qaeda recruits to find more footage.
These obvious lies fooled no one.
No one that is besides Dan Rather.
Damn.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dan Rather and 60 Minutes fall immediately and hard for Jack Adema's tapes.
And in fact, Rather flies immediately to Afghanistan to interview Keith Adema and visit the compound where the videos had been filmed.
Yeah, it's it.
He just is immediately on board with this shit.
I am so down.
The journalism school building at the college that I went to but didn't go to journalism school at was the Dan Rather School of Journalism.
And maybe not the guy to take super details.
Mistake there.
I'm going to quote from the Columbia Journalism Review talking about this particular grift.
At a time when workers were still sifting through the gnarled wreckage of the World Trade Center, the story reinforced the prevailing sense of panic.
Men in camouflage tunics and ski masks were shown storming buildings, staging drive-by shootings, and laying siege to golf courses.
Sometimes the men laughed as they rehearsed maneuvers, which Rather interpreted as evidence that they approached their grim mission with glee.
The footage also contained numerous exchanges in English, a sign, Rather told viewers, that they want to take scenes like this to the West.
Now, the reality is that these tapes were absolutely a forgery made by Jack Edema, which is why people were speaking in English.
Yeah, no, oh gosh.
Goodness gracious.
Dan, no, buddy.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's really, that's really, that's real bad.
That's real bad.
And you got to do better.
Yeah.
Well, he, spoilers for Dan Rather's career.
He would not.
He would go on to fall for more fake bullshit.
Oh, hell yeah.
Analysts, obviously, I say they're obviously a forgery.
It is impossible to state that with a perfect degree of confidence one way or the other.
And you can, in fact, find a couple of different interpretations of these videos.
But it is worth noting that the tactics shown in the tapes were not the sort actually used by al-Qaeda fighters.
The video depicted armed raids, similar to the kind of attacks ISIS would carry out years later in Europe.
But these are completely different from the sort of bombings that Al-Qaeda actually engaged in at the time.
Put simply, Al-Qaeda never did anything even vaguely like what was shown in these tapes.
Like, it's just not the sort of shit that they pulled off.
And yeah, there were other reasons to doubt the province of the tapes.
The place that Keith Adema said that he had raided to capture them, the compound where these tapes were filmed, Mir Bacha Kot, was under coalition control during the time that the tapes were actually filmed and had been thoroughly searched at the time when Jack claims to have conducted the raid.
Now, again, the reality of the situation was never conclusively determined one way or the other.
And Dan Rather's career didn't explode for this particular fuck up.
But the almost certain reality is that the videos were staged by Jack.
He likely found an old compound that had already been liberated by the coalition and then hired a bunch of locals to pretend to be terrorists.
The Columbia Journalism Review talked to a special retired special operations officer with knowledge of the CIA's investigation into the tapes.
And this guy claims they did a voice analysis and a technical analysis.
Not only were they staged, but you could single Edema's voice out directly.
So the CIA, for its part, disputes having done any kind of analysis, but the CIA is the CIA, so I really don't give a shit what they say happened ever.
They are the CIA.
Now, it seems pretty safe to conclude that these were bogus from the get-go, whether or not Jack Edema himself actually filmed them.
But at the time, this took off like gangbusters among a terrified American public.
And Dan Rather's big scoop helped to solidify Jack Adema's reputation, who was someone as someone who was not a shameful fraud.
And for a few months, he was the talk of the Kabul media set.
According to New York Magazine, he boasted to war correspondents about the many al-Qaeda suspects he had apprehended and embroidered his banter with tales of special forces daring in Central America.
And it was more than just his speech that was growing too colorful for its own good.
One heated argument over war coverage at a party ended with Edema's firing a pistol at a Dallas morning news correspondent, Todd Robertson, and barely missing his left arm.
Yeah, he gets drunk and shoots at a Dallas morning newspaper friend.
Oh, man.
Many reporters began to regard Edema as a fraud and a menace.
Still, he was quoted in many major newspapers as a special forces operative or a green beret.
Under representation from the photo agency Polaris, Edema sold the footage to 60 Minutes2 for an undisclosed fee.
And the rest of the press corps, including NBC's Dateline and the Today Show, scooped up the sensational footage in the network's wake.
So that's great.
Now, in December of 2002, you remember that guy, Robin Moore, who, like, literally became a Green Beret and killed people with the Green Berets and then wrote a book about him, that journalist?
Well, he shows up in Afghanistan in December of 2002.
Now, he was no longer the young fit warrior who'd battled alongside U.S. forces in Vietnam.
Moore was in his 70s, racked with Parkinson's disease and reliant upon a cane to get around.
So he's not in great shape.
Still clearly, whatever else you can say about him, a frightening badass to like go wander around alone in Afghanistan in your 70s in 2002 is a tough guy.
That's pretty hard.
That's pretty hard.
Yeah, that's pretty hard.
Now, he had a goal of publishing the first on-the-ground memoir from the war in Afghanistan, and it would be a book about the hunt for Osama bin Laden.
When Jack first heard that the author of the book that had become his favorite movie was in Afghanistan, he knew he had to find him.
And tracking down Moore was not difficult.
There were not a whole lot of old white dudes wandering around the country in the wake of U.S. special forces.
Once there, Jack plied Moore with the same story he'd successfully used on many journalists already, putting himself forward as an ideal source for Moore's next book.
This line of bullshit worked because Jack just seems to have had some sort of ability to, like, not all or even most journalists, but there are these guys like Skirka before him and now Robin Moore that just like fall in love with the line of shit that Jack is pushing.
And soon the two men were collaborating together on a book titled The Hunt for Bin Laden.
Now, crucially, while they were in Afghanistan, Moore and Edema spent almost no time together.
And this is because Moore was still widely respected by U.S. Special Forces dudes, and they gave him real access.
And for obvious reasons, Jack Edema did not want to get anywhere near U.S. Special Forces in Afghanistan.
The Hunt for Bin Laden00:03:34
Not a good idea.
So they didn't really start to collaborate until they got home to the United States later that year.
Jack had to head back after his mother died, and this is where he and Robin Moore would go on to have the bulk of their contact.
So Moore was back in his States by the end of that year, trying to bang out his notes and interviews from Afghanistan into a book that people would want to read.
Edima offered himself up for additional background information, and soon Moore was listening with bated breath while Jack Adema just lied to him.
This random paragraph from the book they wrote together gives you an idea of what sort of stuff Jack was telling him.
And again, this is one paragraph.
Oh, yes.
In January, Jack uncovered an al-Qaeda plot to kill President Clinton.
In March, standing in the middle of a Kabul street armed with a Russian assault rifle and 600 rounds of ammunition, Jack held off Islamic fundamentalists for four hours as they tried to take 18 foreign citizens hostage, keeping them at bay until Engineer Ali and the Northern Alliance arrived to back him up.
By the end of March.
Oh yeah, that's a character right there.
By the end of March, Jack was in a Northern Alliance helicopter on his way to the Nahrin earthquake, where the Associated Press photographed the lone American rescuing a little girl.
She wasn't the first child he would save, or the last.
I'm going to tell you right now, Jack Adema never saved a goddamn kid.
He definitely posed with some sick and injured children, but I think he saved them in the same way he saved his friend with the leg injury.
Yeah, no.
Now, for his part, Robin Moore said that Jack's stories checked out very well when he tried to verify them.
And this is almost certainly a lie, as Mary Ann Strong, Moore's agent at the time, claims that Robin Moore's actual experiences in Afghanistan were just too dull to make a good book.
Basically, he was too old to find anything cool.
So he came back home, like kind of bummed out with like a few interviews that were not that exciting and no stories of actual daring dude because he's 70 and had Parkinson's.
So Jack comes along and is like, I can spice up this fucking book for you, man.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Strong layer claims.
He's like, let me add some con to that shit also.
Yeah.
Seriously.
Morris Agent later claimed Jack came along and rewrote the entire thing.
He came up with terribly exciting, excellent copy.
Now, she claims that Moore himself only wrote a few pages of the book in the end, and the resulting product was one of the most ridiculous pieces of faux journalism in the entire history of the war on terror, which is a fucking achievement.
The cover of the book features a shirtless Jack Edema wielding an AK-47.
Yeah, baby.
Now, New York Magazine goes into more detail about precisely how bad this book was.
It asserts outright that Edema was the only Green Beret gathering intelligence on the ground.
And Edema routinely storms the center of the book's action to perform heroic feats of bravery.
It is as though, given the chance to influence a Robin Moore book, Edema had to cast himself in a 21st century sequel to the Green Berets.
So he basically finds the author of the book that became his favorite movie and turns himself into a character in that book.
Clearly in the hope that a movie will get made about him, which honestly kind of rules a little bit.
I mean, yeah, I want to see this movie.
It'll undoubtedly have like Danny McBride or like...
Danny McBride would be the right guy to play Jacadema.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Completely overly confident with just everybody looking around.
It would almost be like a Tommy Boy thing where, you know, you have the Chris Farley character and then David Spade trying to clean up the mess that's following him.
Danny McBride Casting00:05:12
Ugh, wonderful.
I think actually the right way to play this is to just have Danny McBride do his character from Eastbound and Down.
This guy who just has this completely divorced from reality beliefs about himself, just rolling through Afghanistan and somehow not dying, but getting a lot of people killed.
Yeah, I think we should go to an ad break because you know what won't convince an elderly, ailing legend of war reporting.
What?
The products and services in this.
None of them will trick a sick old man into writing a fake book about how you shirtlessly fought the Taliban.
That is a guarantee we make.
Fucking talkspace, not going to do that.
No, sir.
No, sir.
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Jack Edema's Grift00:10:11
So it's a great book that Jack Edema cons this guy to write.
And the book was a hit among an American public hungry for stories of military glory after September 11th.
Yeah, people eat this shit up.
It quickly climbed to a respectable place on the New York Times bestseller list.
And although it never made its way up to number one, it sold very, very well.
Now, since Moore, the ostensible author, was elderly and in poor health, the responsibility for shamelessly plugging the book landed on Jack Edema.
He was only too happy to hang out in bookstores doing readings from chapters he'd written about things he absolutely did not do.
During numerous media appearances, he even gave direct advice to the Pentagon, making statements like, we in special forces have been lobbying for a lighter, faster army, but General Tommy Franks isn't listening.
It's great.
That's, I mean, I'm loving it.
You should catch him at book soup.
That's where I'm trying to see him.
It's kind of ironic because there are so many special forces grifts around the day.
Today, about a third of the people who wind up becoming special forces operators do it to cash in on some book as soon as they get out.
But the only kind of special forces grift that wouldn't work today is like what Jack Edema's doing because there's now so many of these guys in the media who would be like, no, this dude's just lying.
He was never did anything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Has never seen goodness.
I mean, nothing, not a thing.
Yeah.
Well, anyway.
Like any great grifter, Jack Edema succeeds during the only period in history in which he could have possibly succeeded.
Yes, exactly.
The hunt for bin Laden elevated Edima to a national figure just in time for him to weigh in on the most critical political issue of the day, the invasion of Iraq.
Since he had been the subject of the first memoir of the war in Afghanistan, TV News booking agents saw him as an ideal get as they discussed whether or not going to war with Iraq was a good idea.
And I'm going to quote from a Rolling Stone right up here.
Edima's career as a media personality reached its peak during the final breathless weeks of the run-up to the war in Iraq.
Much of the information he provided during that period echoed the Bush administration's hotly contested rationale for a war.
He told NMS NBC that the link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda was common knowledge on the ground in Afghanistan and claimed in an interview with WNYC Radio's Leonard Lopate that Iraq has been involved in supporting al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations with money, with equipment, with technology, and with weapons of mass destruction.
He told other wide-eyed journalists that there was ample evidence linking Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia to al-Qaeda and to the attacks on September 11th.
You know, famed allies, Iraq and Iran.
For sure.
If there's one thing you can't stop Iran from doing, it is collaborating closely with Saudi Arabia and Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
There's nothing Iran loves more than working with those specific two groups.
Love it.
Love it.
Oh, boy.
So, Edima professed to have first-hand knowledge of nuclear weapons being smuggled from Russia and to all three members of the Axis of Evil, Iran, Iraq, and North Korea.
Few in the media questioned Edima's claims, much to the alarm of those who know him.
The media saw this outfitted, gregarious, apparently knowing guy, and they didn't check him out, said Ed Artis, chairman and founder of the humanitarian organization Knightsbridge International.
They ran story after story that furthered the cachet of a self-serving, self-aggrandizing criminal.
And that's totally accurate.
Yeah, yeah, that is accurate.
Yeah.
But the sales of his book were good, but reviewers did not like it.
In fact, it was pretty much universally panned.
And journalists who did look into it repeatedly questioned the veracity of claims like Jack Adema fought the entire Afghan war on his own.
The sheer volume of doubt seems to have cracked through whatever brainwashing Edema managed to carry out on Robin Moore.
Moore began demanding from his publisher that a revised edition of the book be published, with special forces officers reviewing and correcting Edema's lies.
Random House, his publisher, refused these changes.
And when Jack Edema learned that Moore was trying to write him out of the book, he issued a press release and filed yet another lawsuit.
He started claiming that a secret cabal of special forces soldiers has assembled to take him down because they were jealous of Jack Edema.
Jack also filed lawsuits against Knightbridge and Partners International, the two groups providing aid in Afghanistan, because he was certain that they were a part of all this.
His main claim to having suffered damages came from the fact that Fox News dropped him as a regular commenter.
True to form, Jack also sued Fox News.
These suits were all tossed out of court.
But yeah.
Just keep suing.
Just spend all your time.
Always be suing, baby.
That is a huge part of being a really good grifter is just keep on suing everyone you can.
Hell yeah.
Sophie, who are we suing right now?
Uh Cody Johnston.
That sounds like a good idea.
Yeah.
Yeah, let's throw some lawsuits out to Cody.
Get them all over.
I'm getting in on that.
I'm getting in on that.
So the book sales were good in spite of the controversy.
So Jack decided to form a promotional company, the Hunt for Bin Laden LLC, with a handful of business partners.
I have to give him credit.
That's easily the best name for an LLC that anyone's come up with.
That's a great LLC name.
I kind of want to start.
If that's defunct now, I want to make that my LLC and just do something else with it.
Is there a character limit for LLCs?
It's clearly not more than the number of characters in the Hunt for Bin Laden LLC.
Which, like, I want to start an LLC dedicated to like feeding the homeless, but just call it that.
And that we could be like, when the police shut us down, the cops are trying to stop the hunt for bin Laden, man.
Have you forgotten where we all were on 9-11?
There's potential in this.
So Jack Edema's the Hunt for Bin Laden LLC.
The goal of this company was ostensibly to raise funds for a U.S. count for U.S. counter-terrorist group, which was a training camp that Jack had founded in upstate New York to, quote, help the Northern Alliance and to fight Al-Qaeda.
This was almost certainly a grift.
But as the weeks went by and Jack battled increasing questions about his legitimacy, his colleagues watched his behavior turn erratic and dangerous.
According to New York Magazine, one of Jack's business partners eventually testified during the inevitable lawsuit over the Hunt for Bin Laden LLC that Jack, quote, destroyed the interior of his own house with a samurai sword, that he choked his girlfriend in a fight, that he forged a letter on Fox News Stationery for use as evidence in his lawsuit against the network.
A lawsuit from the U.S. Attorney's Office also arrived, followed by a letter from North Carolina's postal inspector, charging Edema with mail fraud for using a post office box registered to the company to solicit funds for U.S. counterterrorist group.
Thompson said that after he noticed $18,000 from the company had gone missing, he drove down to Fayetteville to close the company bank account.
He says Edema followed him there and threatened to kill both him and his girlfriend.
Bro. Moore?
Yeah.
Jesus.
He's awesome.
When do the police step in?
Not almost never.
They arrested him.
He did get busted earlier, but he goes right back to committing mail fraud.
Totally murdering somebody.
Awesome.
No, that was something else.
He didn't murder anybody.
No, I mean, he definitely murdered people, but no, he didn't go to jail for that.
He went to jail for mail fraud.
Oh, that's right.
It was just mail fraud.
That was the first, that was our first, our first military exploratory fellow or whatever.
Yeah, there's so many grifts here.
It is hard to keep track of the motherfuckers.
Jesus.
Yeah.
And Moore, at the same time as this was all going on, Moore learned that Edema had ordered hundreds of copies of The Hunt for Bin Laden from Moore's account with Random House and then never paid them for him.
He just got the books and then sold them by hand at full price.
So just like this mix of these incredibly bold grifts where he's like tricking national news networks and stuff and selling thousands of books and these petty fucking bullshit.
Like it's incredible.
He couldn't stop himself.
So Jack continued to attack Robin Moore via lawyer for months, threw out lawsuits like rice at a wedding.
He was only interrupted in his quest to destroy the lives of the people who had been his friends and colleagues due to his devotion to yet another unbelievable grift in Afghanistan.
See, in 2004, Jack returned to Kabul.
He rented a house, telling the landlord he planned to start a rug exporting business.
I shouldn't even need to tell you that this was a lie.
His real goal was to form a paramilitary unit named Task Force Saber 7.
Yeah, baby.
Yes.
He designed the uniforms and patches himself.
Their goal was to hunt Al-Qaeda.
He brought along a former soldier, Brent Bennett, and a veteran TV cameraman named Eddie Caraballo to help him and document his adventures.
They hired several Afghan fighters and started kidnapping and interrogating Afghan citizens at random.
So pretty good grift, Daniel.
I mean, this, this, people were really, really gullible.
You could get away with anything at this period of time.
It was amazing.
Being confident and speaking confidently and just doing the things you say you're going to do, people are just letting it happen.
That's just really wild.
I'm impressed and horrified.
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So, Daniel, this story of Task Force Saber 7 is fucking difficult for me to parse out.
So, I say he's kidnapping random Afghan citizens, and that seems to have been true a lot of the time, but it also doesn't necessarily seem to have been true all of the time, because on at least three occasions, NATO troops helped Edema carry out raids.
And NATO went on to arrest at least one of the suspects that Task Force Saber 7 took in.
And there's also some evidence that he or his men may have helped stop assassination attempts on Afghan political leaders.
But also, almost all of the people that they actually handed over to NATO were later released for lack of evidence to convict them.
And it is entirely possible that all of the Afghan political leaders who claim that Edema and his men saved them or carried out, gave them intelligence that was useful were just bribed because we're talking about the government of Afghanistan in 2003 and 4.
They're trying to cause disturbance as much as anybody else.
So it's just like, yeah, we'll take your money and say some dumb shit to make people confused.
Perfect.
Yeah, it does seem fair to say that there were people within NATO and people within the Department of Defense who treated Task Force Saber 7 as a legitimate non-governmental military contractor in country for a pretty brief period of time, but it did happen.
And you can either say it's because they were actually finally doing good work, or yeah, just because it's easy to trick the fucking government in Afghanistan of a ton of bullshit.
Like, there's $100 billion worth of hospitals that got built by government contractors in Afghanistan and aren't hospitals.
So fucking, it's easy to get away with grifts in Afghanistan.
Now, while all this was going on, Knightsbridge and Partners International, these two veteran-owned charities, continued to desperately try to warn the CIA and the Defense Department and everyone that would listen that Jack Edema was a dangerously incompetent con man.
But no one listened to them until April 30th, 2004, when Edema made the error of emailing several of his friends back in the United States an update on the progress of Task Force Saber 7.
This email included pictures of Jack Edema and his men torturing civilians.
At least one of the people Jack emailed had a light torture, Danil.
Oh, God.
Light torture.
Okay.
Barely even torture under most international treaties.
I am nervous.
So at least one of the people that Jack emailed had a soul and forwarded the emails to the Department of Defense.
Warrants were issued for Jack's arrest in Kabul, and he was eventually busted on July 5th by Afghan police forces.
New York magazine notes, when Afghan police arrested the trio on July 5th, they said they had a, they said they saw a smaller scale version of the gruesome prisoner abuse photos from the Baghdad interrogation cells in Abu Ghraib.
Early press photos indicated that three prisoners found in Adima's custody during the raid were blindfolded and beaten and then strapped to the ceiling by their feet.
Five others were tied to chairs with rope in the small dark room down a hall that was littered with bloodied clothing.
All of the prisoners in Edima's custody were subsequently released.
None was shown to be connected to al-Qaeda.
I mean, of course.
Yeah, of course.
Yes, of course.
Yeah, absolutely.
And like, it's frustrating because you read like reporting from the time, from like when this all happened by good journalists and good reporters, and a lot of them will talk, will like quote people who were in the Department of Defense somewhere saying like, oh, no, Edema did this or Task Force Saber 7 did that.
And I can't say, again, to a point of certainty that everything they did was bullshit, but my gut is telling me that all of those people who thought they did anything useful were just taken in by the con because Jack Edema was a fucking con man.
And it's easy to get away with cons in Afghanistan.
Yeah, that's my feeling.
Maybe I am wrong.
No, but I'm not.
Look, everybody likes a good sale.
Everybody, you know, even if they don't like to be taken, they like to be sold something.
And he was selling them the worst.
Now, at his trial in Kabul, Adima did say something that I don't think is untrue.
He stated that he had been operating with the U.S. military's approval and consent.
And it does seem that this was at least partly true.
Yeah, exactly.
Because they're not good at their jobs.
That's the fucked up part.
Look, they said I could do it.
And they all have to sit on their hands and be like, I mean, like, yeah, we kind of did.
We did.
We did.
Again, I don't want to be like slandering better reporters than me because a lot of the guys who wrote about him like back in 2004 are, but they're so confused by the fact that legitimate military people aren't uniform about whether or not this guy is a con man.
And like, guys, the army's bad at its job.
Like the Defense Department's bad at its job.
Look at how the war in Afghanistan has gone.
We're not, they're not good at this.
Yeah.
No.
They're not good at winning wars.
They make all sorts of dumb mistakes.
Ask any veteran.
Ask 100% of veterans.
They make shitty calls all the time, and this was one of them.
One video played during the trial showed Adema talking with officials from U.S. General William Boykin's office about an impending attack he planned on a terrorist cell.
Yeah, they probably thought he was legitimate at some period of time, or at least enough of them did that he was able to get away with it for a while.
Now, what I can easily bust is Jack Adema's claim that he and Task Force Saber 7 never tortured anybody, which is what he argued in Afghan court.
But unfortunately, the judge who was trying their case was somebody that Jack had abducted, arrested, and tortured.
And this judge actually testified at Jack's trial, which is, since he was the judge, I would call it best in unorthodox legal precedent.
So yeah, but also the judge was almost certainly.
And it's weird because, like, I have no trouble believing this judge was, like, maybe doing shit with the Taliban, maybe doing just other shady shit because he's a political official in Afghanistan in 2004, and they were all on the fucking take.
Like, yeah, there's probably, he's probably a sketchy son of a bitch, but like, also, Jack and his guys absolutely tortured this guy, and then he winds up trying their case.
Like, what do you think?
That's like the record scratch scenario.
You walk in and you're just standing at the table ready to sit down.
And then you see the guy's face.
Walks in.
She's like, oh.
Oh.
No.
Man, one of the dozens of guys I torture winds up being my judge.
What are the odds?
Shoot.
So here's a Rolling Stone quote from the trial where the judge gets up and talks about his experience.
The judge then stood up and mimed out how somebody acting like James Bond, Edema, of course, came into the house waving a weapon, shouting, hands up, hands up.
Also taken into custody were two of the judge's brothers, as well as four of the relatives and a family retainer, the eight prisoners who'd be discovered by Afghan authorities when they later busted Edema's jail.
The judge told me, the first night around midnight, I heard the screams of four people.
They then poured very cold water on me.
I tried to keep myself from screaming, but couldn't.
Then they played loud, strange music.
Then they prevented me from going to the bathroom.
A terrible situation.
I was hooded for 12 days.
Jesus Christ.
12 days, bro.
The trial also brought up evidence that did seem somewhat exculpatory for Jack and his men.
U.S. military authorities repeatedly admitted under questioning that they had been aware of Jack's task force.
And some evidence emerged that Edema and his men may have thwarted an assassination attempt against the Afghan education minister.
But again, it's impossible to say what the fuck actually happened here.
And this is made more complicated by the fact that the FBI apparently took a bunch of documents and tapes from Edema's home after his arrest and then withheld them from defense lawyers.
This is peculiar because the FBI should not have had any jurisdiction in an Afghan court case.
And this is all complicated by the fact that it happened in fucking Afghanistan, a country with an enormous amount of government corruption and huge numbers of officials who were straight up on the take.
I have read a lot of articles about this and I have no idea conclusively about what went down.
But looking at the life of Jack Edema on the whole, I do think it is safe to say that Task Force Saber 7 with some sort of grift, the vast majority, if not the entirety of the people that he went after, targeted and tortured were completely innocent.
And he deserved the sentence that he received, which was 10 years in Afghan prison.
Amen.
So the judge that he tortured sentences him to prison.
I just love that.
The judge whom he tortured sentences.
Now, there are journalists who visited him while he was in jail, and they all note kind of bemusedly that he was very popular with his guards and managed to get himself and his men into a luxury cell with carpets, satellite television, and a private bathroom, like a kitchen and all sorts of nice stuff.
And they're just like, well, it's like, that's what these journalists say.
And the obvious answer is he bribed them.
He gave them money.
He has money.
He paid it to them.
I like that.
I like that.
One of the things included in the description is it had carpet.
Yeah.
Shit, man.
Prison with carpet ain't the worst prison.
Released After Corruption00:15:58
So Jack was released in 2007 and quite wisely decided he could never return home to the United States.
And again, he was released like seven years early, probably bribery, but it was through a pardon.
Who the fuck knows?
Maybe it was something to please the Defense Department.
Either way, as soon as he gets out of Afghanistan, he knows that he absolutely cannot go home to the United States because he still has wire fraud warrants out for his arrest in North Carolina.
And there were pending federal charges for all of the crimes he'd committed in Afghanistan when he was torturing people.
So instead, he went to Dubai and attempted to set up a drug and arms smuggling syndicate.
This failed.
And so Jack Adema headed to the last refuge of all true grifters.
Mexico.
Mexico.
Yeah, baby.
Yeah.
There it is.
Fuck, I love how often episodes of this show end in Mexico.
It is always such a treat whenever we get to Mexico.
So, yay.
Jack bought a boat and started running a charter boat service for tourists.
He called himself Captain Black Jack and patterned his personality after Captain Jack Sparrow.
Yes.
You might say there has been a degradation from his time as a terrorism expert.
So now he's doing booze cruises and pretending to be Jack Sparrow.
He built a home in an imitation Middle Eastern style and was said to relax there in a thobe, which is like the long gown that men in parts of the Middle East wear.
His ex-girlfriend claims that he would regularly go on multi-day vodka and cocaine soaked binges while looping either Arabic music, the Apocalypse Now soundtrack, or just playing Louis Armstrong's What a Wonderful World on repeat for hours.
Hell yeah.
Wow.
Get after it.
Yeah.
At some point, Daniel, Jacadema caught HIV, possibly due to the fact that he had constant casual sex with strangers and never ever used protection.
What?
Sometimes that happens.
Yeah.
This is a different part of the story.
Oh, buddy, we are getting into a twist in the tail.
We do not stand an unsafe sex participant.
None of the unsafe sex with people you don't know, fam.
We don't know when Jacodema got HIV, but we absolutely know that getting it did not cause him to start using condoms because he gave it to his girlfriend without telling her that he was sick in the first place.
She later recalled that he explained he thought he was immune to the disease because in his words, in his words, Daniel he had super blood.
One more time.
One more time.
He had super blood.
He had super blood.
I just wanted to hear you say it again.
No.
Sorry.
Again, as we're getting into this point, Jacodema has seemed like a con.
Oh, definitely a con artist.
The stuff that came out about him later in his life makes me suspect that there was also either mental illness as a result of just like he got sick or because of his constant drug abuse, he damaged his brain.
It is unclear.
But what happens, like, yeah, there's a lot about Jacadema.
Like, what his girlfriend's reports revealed is there's just a lot about Jacadema we don't know.
Up until I started reading her accounts of him, I thought he was just a standard grifter.
And now there's a part of him that's like he may have actually been ill outside of the HIV.
It is very hard to say.
Maybe so.
But this is the part at which things get moderately less fun because his very last girlfriend, Penny Elise, contracted HIV from Jack.
And given that she did, it's almost guaranteed that God knows how many other people got HIV from this guy.
Because again, he would throw days-long cocaine and liquor orgy benders while he was in Mexico and before while he was in Afghanistan.
And he probably had HIV for a large chunk of that time.
So he gets so many people sick.
This is a guy who does nothing but leave shattered lives in his wake.
That's tragic.
That girlfriend, Penny Elise, wrote a blog post about what Jack did to her.
And it's honestly heartbreaking.
And I am going to read a quote from it now.
A long one, so we'll have to pause a couple of times in this.
I did not get HIV via drugs or being a hooker.
I got it the way a lot of women get it.
I was in love and stupid, period.
And because of love and stupidity, my life will never be the same, whatever is left of it.
So this story is not for profit.
It is for peace of mind, and so that when I meet my maker, I will know I did all I could to stop this monster.
Jack Edema has a lot more sins than just giving out HIV.
I am as concerned about other people being sick as I am and about dying.
The other stuff will come out eventually, though I am sure I won't be around long enough to see it.
So yes, I am mad, very mad, sad as well.
Now, she claims that Jack started their relationship by flirting with her online while he was locked in prison in Afghanistan.
Which is, again, you'll notice the last time he was in prison, he also exited it with a woman he had been flirting with remotely.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he used her to take care of business he needed done in the United States when he got out of prison because he couldn't re-enter the country.
And he also relied on her to take care of his dog when he went off doing whatever the fuck Jack Edema did when he wasn't taking care of his dog.
Jen doesn't deserve a dog?
Yeah, he sure does.
I would like to back up something on that one.
Does not deserve a dog.
Does not deserve a dog.
He doesn't deserve a dog.
Yeah.
So she was like the last person to know Jack well, and it is from Penny that we get some of our final big revelations about Jack Edema.
Quote: Jack always told me he was a heterosexual, and when I finally found out the truth, it was too late.
Now I also know that he was bisexual years ago.
A Green Beret who was stationed at Fort Bragg has come forward and told me of his meeting Jonathan Keith Edema, as he called himself back then.
He met him at a newsstand located on Bragg Boulevard in Fayetteville, North Carolina, in early 2000, 2001.
They would have sex in a back room.
He also went to 450 Robeson Street and had sex with Jack at his apartment next to his office in that building.
Two other men have also come forward.
Jack was also into cross-dressing secretly then too, as well as having his anus penetrated by dildos.
He never used condoms then.
Now he occasionally does, but the damage is already there.
The disease has progressed.
I've also been told about his encounters with men when he was in prison in Kabul, Afghanistan.
Apparently, Thursday nights there wore for man sex.
I wish to God he had told me this himself when I first met him.
So I don't know how true that is, but Jack definitely had HIV, which progressed to full-blown AIDS.
And it definitely seems credible that he was just fucking a bunch of people his entire life and never taking any care about the fact that he was spreading diseases to them.
I think that it's possible Penny has some weird homophobia stuff, although it's kind of unclear from her writing.
But it also seems really credible that this guy, Jack Edema, was just fucking people and spreading diseases his entire life without a goddamn care in the world.
That's true.
So that's cool.
That's a cool story.
Jack was accused of rape at least once in 2010 by a young woman who visited his home.
He temporarily fled to Belize to escape justice, but returned to Mexico and was unmolested by the law until his death in January 2012 as a result of AIDS.
So that's how this story ends.
Robert Young Pelton, a somewhat legendary war correspondent, is probably the reporter who wrote most about Jack Edema without falling for his bullshit.
And I found an article written after Jack's death in McClatchy by Pelton, or that quotes both Pelton and Penny Alisi, and it provides some final explanations for how Jack got away with his schemes for so long.
He would meet somebody that he needed or wanted to be like, like the author Robin Moore, and then he would absorb all their mannerisms, words, and the way they dressed, Pelton said.
It worked in part because he was highly intelligent.
Few con artists could worm their way into helping Moore, the author of the Green Berets, write a book, and few could come up with such strong legal arguments for so many spurious causes, he said.
Indeed, Alessi, his former girlfriend, said, Edema wrote nearly all of the legal filings he was involved with over the years.
I know because I sat there and watched him, she said.
Then the lawyers would just sign off on them.
So at the end of this, I don't know what to fucking make of this dude.
Other than that, he was a monster and a grifter.
But it is very hard for me to tell how much of this was like a coldly calculated piece of shit and how much of this was like just a damaged, ill man compulsively, possibly based on the fact that he actually had delusions, like fucking shit up.
Like, I really don't know where to land on this guy other than that he was a monster.
Right.
But that's the story of Jacima.
Sounds like a piece of garbage.
A flying, war-obsessed piece of trash who did not participate in safe sex and has ruined the lives of probably hundreds of people at this point.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
There are so many like poor young men.
And if we're honest, probably kids who I am fucking certain got sick because Jacodema, you know, contracted their services as sex workers and then just rolled on with his life.
It's like, it's actually, if you imagine that this guy is, as it seems likely he was, just spreading HIV around Afghanistan's sex worker population for a couple of years, like there's no telling how many people got sick as a result of him.
Undoubtedly way too many.
Yeah.
Damn.
That's cool.
That's a cool story.
Another bastard in the bag.
Yep.
Another bastard in the bank.
So, Dan.
Yes, Robert.
How you feeling?
You know, I don't know.
Not great.
Not great.
Would you feel better to know that prior to the 2001 invasion, Afghanistan had one of the lowest rates of HIV infections in the world and that after the war, they had a skyrocketing AIDS crisis?
No.
No.
That doesn't make you feel good?
Oh, oh, of course it doesn't because it's unspeakably terrible.
Cool.
Well, Robert, you are an incredible, incredible person.
Thank you.
I'll tell you what.
Well, Dan.
Yes, Robert.
Where can people find you on the internet if they want to give you the internet equivalent of a sexually transmitted disease, which is fandom?
Yes.
I don't really know where I'm going with this.
Well, if you want to bother me on the internet.
I'm not going with it either.
It's okay.
I have a hat.
They're all imaginary friends.
You can follow me on Twitter at DJ underscore Daniel, D-A-N-L.
You can follow me on Twitch at twitch.tv slash DJ underscore Daniel.
Come watch me play video games and we'll hang out and tell stories and I can tell you behind the scenes stuff about Robert, like when he gave me a knife and I have it right here.
It sounds like that.
You heard it open just now.
You damn right it does.
Yay.
Come look at my knife on Twitch.
That is not what I meant.
Okay, come on.
Whoa.
Come look for Dan's knife on Twitch and send him pictures of your own knife, whatever knife means to you personally.
Oh my God.
We all get to define the word knife for ourselves.
You did this to yourself.
And for the record, the knife that I'm talking about fits the Twitch standards and practices.
I'm talking about an actual flip blade by a CIR, K-T-T-K-T-R, and I'm done.
I need to cut all this.
Cut none of this.
And cut it.
Cut nothing yourself, listeners, as you go out into the world.
And by go out into the world, I mean stay in your homes for the love of God.
Wash yourself.
Take care of yourself.
I'm Robert Evans.
I have a podcast called The Women's War, and you can find it, presumably.
Just Google it.
It'll come up.
Google it in the word podcast if you need to.
You'll fucking find it.
Like, you know, we all know how to use the internet.
Like, you know the title.
That's all you fucking need.
What are you doing?
What are you doing demanding I give you more information?
I've given you enough Twitter and I post links to episodes because I'm a nice person and Robert is a hack.
I'm sorry.
I'm just abusing the audience to make them love me more, which is the kind of thing that I'm certain Jacodema did a lot over the course of his life.
Don't compare yourself to that nightmare, Robert.
You're a good boy.
No, no.
You don't know what I got up to in Afghanistan, Sophie.
I'll give you one hint.
There was never an Osama bin Laden.
That shit's fake news.
Anyway, Robert Evans here taking credit for September 11th, the movie Big Trouble, and signing off.
You can follow him on Twitter at iWriteOK.
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That's the episode.
Wash your hands.
Or not, if you're in home, it doesn't matter.
You can be as filthy as you want.
Wash your hands.
Don't listen to this asshole.
Live like a monster.
Be a gorilla.
It's fine.
Don't fuck it up for society.
Bye.
When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands.
I vowed I will be his last target.
He is not going to get away with this.
He's going to get what he deserves.
We always say that, trust your girlfriends.
Listen to the girlfriends.
Trust me, babe.
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My highest order bit is to not destroy the world with AI.
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You related to the Phantom at that point.
Yeah, I was definitely the Phantom in that.
That's so funny.
Share each day with me each night, each morning.
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What's up, everyone?
I'm Echo Mode of my next guest.
It's Will Farrell.
My dad gave me the best advice ever.
He goes, just give it a shot.
But if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit.
If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration.
It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat just hang in there.
Yeah, it would not be.
Right, it wouldn't be that.
There's a lot of life.
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