The Second Democratic Debate: Too Many Jebs critiques the event as a series of unprepared performances, highlighting Joe Biden's stuttering and Kamala Harris's evasion regarding Tulsi Gabbard. Hosts condemn moderator bias against Bernie Sanders while praising Corey Booker's debating skills and Elizabeth Warren's focus on childcare. The discussion mocks candidates like Beto O'Rourke as "sub-Jebbs," questions the viability of a Warren-Sanders alliance, and laments the lack of pressure on issues like Flint water, ultimately suggesting that current moderators fail to hold contenders accountable for their records. [Automatically generated summary]
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This is an episode of Katie and Cody and I talking about the second set of democratic debates as a prelude for our election year podcast, which will be a fun weekly podcast about the worst year of all of our lives and with a title vaguely similar to that.
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I have been on a lot of planes.
Robert literally got off a plane and then drove to the office to drop off a stuff and then drove to my house.
And I don't know when was the last time you slept.
Well, other than my couch briefly.
The last time I had a full night's sleep was in Iraq.
So it's been a minute.
I mean, I have so many questions about that, but that's not what we're here for tonight.
Right.
We're here to talk about the debates.
Politics.
Politics.
Yes.
Sweet.
The best kind of politics.
Sexy, moist.
Ew.
Wiry, bristle-filled.
Well, I like I'm okay with the word moist, but not when used in the sexual connotation.
Like, I think moist is a perfectly wonderful word to use when talking about cake.
Yeah, cake, chicken.
Well, sure.
But I think in the context of the other words I was saying, we were all picturing kind of Joe Biden's waddle.
Sure.
Was that what was in y'all's head?
Oh, yeah.
When you said moist.
I'm almost always going to go to Joe Brown.
No, it was one.
Yeah.
Cody, you just got in last night.
It's true.
So you're also out of it.
I'm pretty tired.
I've been around the longest.
I've been back for a few days, but I'm also out of it.
So this will be fun.
So just like the frontrunner of the Democratic Party, we have all been going for too long to properly do our jobs today.
Yeah.
We haven't learned the lesson from times past when it proved to be a bad idea to go too hard.
We should have taken Elizabeth Warren up on her offer to host the episode.
I know, I know.
That was a real, real mistake.
Step aside, let the new generation.
If we're lucky, she'll call in like she does with her donor calls.
But let's talk about the debates, you guys.
That's what we're here.
That's the magic that we're here to discuss.
Who did you come away from liking?
Who surprised you?
All of that.
I mean, Corey Booker had some great moments.
Honestly, truly.
Not a big Corey Booker fan, but he had some really solid, he's a good debater.
He surprised me tonight.
I was really impressed with him all evening long.
I guess I wasn't, I mean, loved what Janes Lee said about climate change.
I'm glad he's doing what he's doing.
I think if he wasn't there, they wouldn't have talked about climate change nearly enough.
No.
In some cases, probably not at all.
I think of all of the people on that stage, he might be the only one doing a kind of noble thing, which is just like, well, I'm just going to get up there and shout about how the planet's dying.
Yeah, absolutely.
A little more, a more focused Mike Gravelle.
Yeah.
Like he knows that he's not winning.
He's there to specifically talk about something and talk about it well.
Maybe just call for a position in the cabinet so he can actually do that work.
Hold people to task, you know.
Like, yeah, I would love to see him in the cabinet.
Here's what I was frustrated by with the climate change conversations, and that would be the moderators.
I mean, I would guess I was frustrated about them throughout the whole thing, but specifically with climate change, this is important.
And you're up there interrupting people halfway through how they're actually explaining what they're planning to do.
It makes me crazy.
I think in 2023, before the next election, if there are more elections, we need to have an election to decide who's going to moderate the future fucking debates.
Because zero of the people they've brought forward so far have been any good at it.
Not very good.
Not very good.
No.
Really frustrating to watch in general.
It's not hard.
No.
Just ask them questions.
And then if you have to re-ask the question, which they did a few times.
Yeah, they followed up.
But also, like, I don't know, there were a few times, more so last night, I think tonight maybe.
I keep thinking of this moment where someone said something specific about Elizabeth Warren, and she was like, she literally raised her hand.
Like she was in school.
Like, can I please, I need to, I need to respond to that.
That's not true.
I need to respond.
She kept saying that, and they would not let her do it.
They did a couple times, but yeah, no, I agree with you completely.
It's frustrating, especially since it takes like a good 15 minutes to even get the show started.
And they always end 15 minutes early.
So it's not really a three-hour debate.
There's 22 people.
They also go a lot to like they'll go to Yang way too much.
Well, so I think it's frustrating when they go to people like Yang and like even Inslee, and they give them like 15 seconds.
They really like, you can tell that they have way less time to even respond or answer direct questions.
That's frustrating too.
Like if you're going to have 20 people on stage, give them the time that they need, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do agree.
Who else impressed you in a surprising way?
In a surprising way.
Well, okay.
So let's talk about Marion Williamson, maybe.
All right.
Let's talk about that.
I mean, because, I mean, I tweeted about this.
I don't think anybody thinks that I would vote for her.
I do not consider her a serious candidate.
Have great issues with things she's said and done in the past, but I did appreciate a lot of the stuff she said up there.
The least important of which was her specifically saying, I'm starting to think that some of you people on stage aren't actually Democrats.
I was like, Yeah.
Oh, yeah, it was really important to say.
I'm glad someone actually said that.
Well, I mean, like, yeah, no, I think it is.
So, that's I liked that.
But you guys have been talking about some of the conversation online about Marianne Williamson.
So, let's dig into that for a minute.
I mean, our conversation started with me saying I wouldn't, I could see her winning.
Yeah.
Just because I couldn't see Trump winning and kind of looked at him with the same sort of mirth that I was initially looking at Marianne Williamson with.
And I don't want to.
I hope that doesn't happen.
She's not like polling as well as he is, which you pointed out, Katie.
But, like, yeah, he pulled really well early on.
She's reaching out for the same, like, the mirror-mirror images of the parts of the liberal psyche that Trump was reaching out, you know, for the conservative psyche.
Like, on the right, it's like outright fascism that he was pulling from, and on the left, it's space woo or bullshit, which is like the left-wing equivalent of the right's genocide.
Right.
She's like, she's got this populist message.
Especially when she ends with, I'm the only one that can bring constant cryptic references to health care.
Yeah.
She's not saying what you know she thinks.
Yeah, there's just a way that she's talking about, right?
And just sort of positive thinking.
And like, there's, you know, something can be said for the value of positive thinking.
Not much.
But that's not why we're here and not much.
And I, I, there's so there, and for it, from what I gather, most of her career, there is a grifting aspect to it.
Yeah.
And part of being a grifter is that some of the stuff you say is really true, which is why it resonates so much.
And that's why sometimes during the debate last night, I was like, fuck yeah, yes, Marianne, yes, say that.
She's like, good grifter.
Because what she's saying is true, but then there's all the stuff around it that's like, well, you shouldn't be the president.
So when I watched, I had a similar, I pivot to her because we were talking about Janes Lee.
And like, I kind of see her role on that stage as in a similar, but very different, you know, things that she's talking about and different things.
But because I don't take her seriously as a candidate, I just am like appreciate somebody being up there and saying some stuff that you're like, yeah, well, someone needed to say it and no one else was.
Yeah.
She also talked about reparations.
Reparations of the election stuff.
The election stuff.
That's really great.
And also economic or environmental justice she brought up.
There's some things that she brought up that no one else was willing to bring up.
And when, so we're talking about the NRA and going back and forth about who has the worst standing with the NRA.
And she says, like, yeah, that's well and good.
But, you know, money in politics, money from corporations is like the disease of this country.
And how many of these people on stage have been taking money from corporations?
I was like, fuck, man.
Yes, please.
More of that kind of conversation right now.
We need people to be thinking about that.
Not that it's going to change right away, but like say that on national TV.
If she didn't exist outside of the debates, she'd be in the upper 30% of candidates for me.
Yeah.
If she didn't, if the rest of her life wasn't a thing.
Yeah, absolutely.
There's also this sort of movement around her that sort of started out ironic and is sort of morphed into more genuine.
Some of it is coming from, and I was talking about this earlier with you, and I still don't know exactly what my problem is with it, but there's a lot of conservative pundits and like these sort of trolly Republicans who are really into her.
And it's partly ironic and it's partly genuine, but it's all horseshit.
And part of it seems like they're just trying to lift her up so they can sort of destroy the Democratic Party in the same way that Trump did.
And part of it's like some of her message, I think, does resonate with them because it's true, but ultimately they can't wait to vote for Donald Trump no matter what.
So I just, it really bothers me that it's this mix of irony and earnestness and just really bullshit trolling.
And it's going to happen more and more.
And I wanted to, it really bothers me.
It's mostly, it's mostly trolling.
It mostly is trolling.
But it's there.
And I think the primary person she's going to cannibalize votes from is Andrew Yang.
Because I think there's kind of the same candidate, like different shades of the same candidate.
They're talking about the same kind of problems that the deep-rooted problems.
And like Andrew Yang, like a lot of his early support was like a mix of kids wanting to just be able to play video games and live on $1,000 a month and thinking the name Yang was funny.
Yeah, yeah, Yang Gang.
Perfect.
There you go.
I'm on board.
Marianne and her Orb Corps.
Yeah, the Orb Core.
And so I don't know, but what scares me about the ironic following is that it has become real before, which is why we have the president we have.
And it's important to acknowledge it right now.
All she has to do is stay this good at the grift for six to seven months.
And it's theoretically possible that she could pick up enough of a head of steam that there would be a point of no return at which we all find ourselves in the situation that like the few sane Republicans found themselves in in 2016 of going like, oh my God, we can't stop this.
And again, she doesn't, she hasn't picked up the votes yet.
I doubt it.
I just am so worried after 2016 that I won't say it's impossible.
Yeah, I think I see a lot of that.
And I don't think there's a need to worry.
I think it's good to have her there to say the things that she's saying because maybe some of the more legitimate candidates will pick it up and be like, oh, actually, oh, yeah, she's right.
I think that too now.
But like, Trump definitely was polling way better, was way more popular beforehand.
And that field, if you think about the Republican field in 2016, 2015, it was pretty abysmal.
Like, the other person was Ted Cruz.
And they're actually viable candidates.
I never forget Jeb.
I have not forgotten Jeb.
None of us have forgotten Jeb.
We were frequently comparing candidates on stage to Jeb.
Never forget Jeb.
There are a lot of Jebs up there.
There's a lot of Jebs.
There's Hick and Looper Jeb.
Delaney Jeb.
Oh, yeah.
Michael Bennett.
Michael Bennett, the guy whose name I forget every time.
The other guy that's not Michael Bennett.
Already forgot it.
That's not.
Nope.
Yeah, the guy.
You know, the guy.
There were too many white people last night to keep track of.
Good thing Inslee put his glasses on.
I mean, seriously, he put those glasses on to distinguish himself from all the other white colours.
But aside from them, there are actual candidates up there that people gravitate towards way more than they would accidentally, sort of, because they're real.
All right.
Well, I want to say right now my most important takeaway from the night, which is my realization that both Inslee and Andrew Yang have the same rough silhouette of a human-shaped thumb.
They're both shaped like thumbs.
They're both thumbmen.
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Yeah.
This is for posterity, y'all.
I want to talk about some more about CNN, but specifically.
So last night, obviously, it was a gang up on Biden.
But that was mostly tonight.
That's what I mean.
And that was mostly generated from people on stage coming not to fuck around.
But last night, so many of the questions that came to the candidates were attacking Bernie.
The moderators.
The moderators.
They were like, Elizabeth Warren, you're a capitalist.
Does that make you a safer choice than Bernie?
Or like, do you think that America's ready for, do you think the idea of socialism makes people afraid of Sanders?
You know, what do you think about Sanders' plan to go to all electric cars?
And even tonight, there was questions about Sanders.
And that made me so angry.
Katie's a Bernie pro now, everybody.
It's really interesting.
Like how one-sided the aggression from the moderators was.
It was wild.
It was like, they really were just like going after Bernie Sanders.
They were trying to get everyone to shit talking.
I'm glad people didn't seem to take the bait because it's super dangerous at the stage to alienate Bernie Sanders support.
And they still disagreed and there were some scuffles, but the framing was really frustrating.
Katie, I saw your tweet last night and I was like, oh, man, even Katie's really pissed about this.
It's so blatant, the bias there and the way they're framing the questions.
And they just do not want him to be the president.
And a little bit worn too, but I think they feel like she's a little safer.
Republican Talking Points Exposed00:04:14
And we'll see.
Well, they straight up said that in the question.
Right, exactly.
It's like they're picking questions that are shaping the narrative, like shaping how people are perceiving the candidates.
And they know it.
And it was wild how Truzburg.
Yeah, and they seem straight up irritated and combative with the candidates.
Millionaires.
Everyone asking the questions in every one of these debates is a millionaire.
Millionaires are funded by billionaires?
Yeah, it's that, see, this is one of the things that I think is maybe awry with the situation.
I wonder if maybe we would have no problems with moderators if they just picked a bunch of like crusty middle-class political journalists who've been like fucking slinging shit in the DC press corps for the last 10 years and like had them just get them like moderately drunk and then wired on speed and let them ask whatever questions come to mind for three hours.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, it's the idea that they're just like, yeah, you guys can do it.
You'll ask all the questions that are going to shape the nation and everybody.
I mean, there's been a lot of talk about this online.
I was thinking about it last night.
I mean, even I think it was Warren started calling it out last night with how a lot of these questions were basically Republican talking points.
And it really felt, and I know that last night was supposed to be the liberal stage because you had, you know, Warren and Bernie there.
Sanders.
But they were surrounded by a bunch of people that were being pulled even further to the right with them on stage.
And it was very transparent that we've got these two very different parties up there on stage.
And even the ads for it.
Even the ads.
The moderates go after them.
Yeah, it was just really, it felt very, very blatant in a way that it hadn't been before.
But yes, this idea that like they are throwing conservative talking points.
They're like kind of doing the work for people.
Some of that's the Democratic Party.
Some of that, some of it doesn't bother me.
I don't mean all of them, but just every so often, like the way they're framing this question is leading into a different kind of narrative.
So I think the man, tonight, so many of the people on stage use the phrase Republican talking point.
It's very frustrating.
But that's because they got it from last night.
They got it from because Luther Warren.
Because that was one of the big applause lines.
Yeah, and it was a very, it was very pointed, specific example.
And it made sense in the context of the conversation.
And then it caught on and then everyone said tonight.
There are some arguments that were made a lot last night too that were like, that's just something you would hear on a panel from Fox News.
Like there's one, one of the guys, again, I can't remember his name, was like, why would you say you're going to, why would you say you're going to pay for illegal immigrants' health care when there are people struggling to pay for their own?
I was like, well, it's Medicare for All.
They won't be struggling for their own.
Like the framing of that is so on its face ridiculous and nonsense.
You'd hear it on like a Fox News panel.
But there's some times when people are like, oh, the Republican talking points has a Republican talking point.
It's okay to ask questions in that way because they're going to have to.
They're going to be facing Donald Trump.
They're going to be facing people on Fox News.
It's okay sometimes to phrase questions in that way to see how they would handle it.
I completely agree.
Yeah, that was the next thing I okay.
Yeah, I think using it tonight was like a little, a little too much.
Like, don't ask me a question.
That's a Republican talking point.
Yeah, I, yeah, I totally, I hear that.
Yeah, I think that whenever you do a debate like this, though, where you've got, you're splitting it up into two nights, the second night is always partly, even if unconsciously, going to be a response to the first night.
Absolutely.
And I think we've seen that with both debates.
Yeah.
Like the first night, you get a more genuine discussion of the issues, which this was not as much of a golden rules that any man should live by.
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This was an attack show tonight.
Oh, I did love all of the Joe Biden all the time.
We can talk about some of that.
Some of your, what were your best Biden throwdown moments?
I mean, there's lots of other stuff I want to talk to you that is more important, but that was sad.
Like, Joe, you've been in this game, what, 50 years?
Yeah.
You know that's not how it works.
Right.
You can't, that's not.
I think that my favorite was Castro's Some of Us Learn from the Past moment or whatever.
That was really good.
That was real good.
That was really good.
It was a good.
This isn't an attack on Joe.
I mean, it is, but it's not someone attacking him.
But like the bookends of the very beginning, him saying, go easy on me.
And then the last thing he says is, if you support me, go to Joe30330, which is not a website.
He meant to say, text Joe.
Yeah.
He left out.
He left out the text.
He said, join.
But also, it's supposed to be join.
And they just changed it to Joe with a tweet, but it's supposed to be join.
And it's just very funny that the first thing he says is, go easy on me.
And the last thing he says is just, he's not going easy on himself.
I mean, he, I felt, we were talking about this earlier.
I felt bad for him in the way that, like, yes, when you're watching the office, you cringe and you feel bad for the person up there because he was.
I mean, he definitely had more like energy, I would say, than the last switched energy.
It wasn't a huge energy.
But he was stuttering.
He was all over the place.
He was not responding.
Was being, I mean, watching the debate, I felt like his debate prep was a lot of him coming in and smiling and wasting time talking to his staffers and then being like, Don't worry, guys, I got it.
You know what I mean?
Like, he's like, I've been doing this for 30 years, you know?
I've lost many presidential elections.
His, um, I really wish if I'd been a little bit more cogent, I would have taken down a couple of his answers and tried to diagram the actual sentences he spoke because they were almost always not quite nonsense, but like not sentences, right?
Not complete thoughts coming out of his head.
Yeah.
Like to the point where it was concerning to me.
Yeah.
Right.
Like you listen, you like, get it, but like, they're not.
I get what you're trying to say.
You read it and you didn't properly say it.
He does not have a poker face.
Whenever somebody starts to talk to him in a way that was aggressive, if you could just see his face fall, it was so sad.
He was so used to being respected because no one thought he was going to run again.
I know.
So everybody was like, okay, we can bear with him.
But it was like, I always felt like his heart was breaking just a little bit every time someone started to beat him up.
I'm laughing about it.
The other.
People like him, though.
People still like him.
Still polling a lot.
Yeah, he's still polling very well.
It's unbearable.
The other moment, this is, I actually, I really liked the Gillib.
No, it was Gabbard and Kamala when Gabbard was calling Kamala out on her record, which was really important.
That was really bold.
That was an important thing that needed to be talked about.
Kamala just sidestepped that.
She only talked about she did not respond in any capacity.
She had two opportunities and she did not, which should be enough to confirm that it's all true.
Do you know?
Yeah, if you can't directly address it, then there's a reason.
You guys, if you missed that, re-watch it.
Yeah, Tulsi Gabbard tearing into Kamala's terrible record as a prosecutor was a pretty sweet moment.
Do you know much about it, her background?
Yeah, a little bit.
I mean, just she was the, there was a lot of ugly stuff around like trans people and like not allowing people to transition and stuff.
And using prison labor.
Using prison labor.
Holding, like, what?
Imprisoning parents for kids.
Truancy.
Yeah.
I think that she specifically talked, brought up tonight how she blocked some evidence that would have saved a person from death row.
Yeah.
She was a really ugly, like California is a state with a fucked up judicial system.
Yeah.
Because there's 40 million people here.
And she didn't make it less fucked up.
So anyway, I really, I mean, I'm not a Tulsi Gabbard fan.
No, she's a monster.
But I really appreciated that.
Yeah, please elaborate.
She took a trip to Syria, paid for by essentially a fascist, like an actual fascist organization that was allied with the Assad regime and met with Bashar al-Assad, the greatest mass murderer of our time, and then later in interviews refused to call him a war criminal after his many war crimes.
And she visited after he had gassed.
She like sat down with this guy after he'd gassed thousands and thousands of thousands of people to death.
She has some weird like Hindu nationalist fascist views of her own.
And like the like she played it well when she was like attacked for like the anti-gay stuff in the first debate.
Yeah, like the whole, you know, I grew up and stuff.
But like she came from a pretty gross, evil cult background.
And she has not dissociated herself fully from it in her actual life.
Okay.
There's some very concerning things about Tulsi Gabbard's background and beliefs, not the least of which is the fact that she was willing to let a fascist group take her to go hang with Bashar al-Assad.
I mean, I don't want to tell you guys what to do, but don't vote for her.
Yeah, I'm not a big, not a big Tulsi Gabbard fan, but she kind of nailed hitting Kamala Harris.
Yeah, I know, she did a good job.
I think no one else was willing or no one was going to go anywhere near that.
Yeah, they didn't want to touch that.
But someone had to.
Yeah, it was a real one-of-those onion article, like the worst person you know, which made a great point.
I'm waiting for different, not matchups, but like fewer people so more people can have conversations.
Like, that was great.
I would like to see Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden talk to each other.
That's all I want.
I was so bad mad.
Although Joe Biden didn't need anybody else ganging up on him tonight.
Joey got pants like a fucking idea.
I did really like, I thought, even though it was definitely framed by CNN terribly because CNN sucks, it was like the progressives defend their from the moderates and all that kind of garbage.
But it was very cool to see Bernie and Elizabeth Warren up there together doing that.
And they weren't throwing each other under the bus.
They really weren't.
No, they were backing each other up pretty well.
There are a few moments where you can see them stare at each other and get like exchanged looks like, can you believe these people?
And like it was clear that they had each other's backs.
And gracefully responding.
So at one point, I can't think of this specific example, but you know, a question to Elizabeth about like, well, what about this element of Bernie's plan?
And her being like, no, that's not what it is.
This is what I voted for.
I mean, she still made it about her, but like making it clear that like, no, we're on the same side here.
And like, you're wrong.
You're misinterpreting what we were saying.
I want to talk about immigration stuff.
I love immigration stuff.
You love immigration stuff because that's a big topic in our country in the debate.
Candidates don't love immigration.
And a lot of the Democratic candidates don't love immigration.
Joe Biden wants to cherry pick races.
It's so that like that like breeze by and I was like, wait, did he just say we cherry pick like different cultures?
That's what makes us strong, Cody.
Unbelievable.
Is our racial cherry picking?
That was bonkers.
And like, oh, anyone with a PhD gets an automatic green card.
I am so frustrated and appalled by the amount of people on that stage that just said we need to just need a new president in the office and that'll fix the kids in cages.
Like, no, you're missing the entire point.
You are not that stupid.
The point of decriminalizing immigration or illegal immigration isn't a specific, yes, it's about getting kids out of cages.
Yes, it's about allowing people to come here seeking asylum, but it's about protecting their human rights.
I think humanity in general.
And Castro did a great job talking about it.
And also, again, and he did it last time, hammering home that going, that it's about sending aid.
It's about creating programs that help make the countries that they're leaving safer and more productive.
They're the only ones that really talk about it.
I mean, Castro did.
Biden really hit that one.
Like, to discredit, Biden repeatedly mentioned giving money to these countries.
But he said that that's what he did.
He said that we did give.
He was defending himself.
We gave a lot of money.
But also, I don't like that's great.
I want to know how that money is spent.
It's not just about, because we look at Puerto Rico.
Obviously, that's a part of our country technically, although they can't vote for president.
They don't have representation, but giving money.
And then it's mismanaged within that local government.
So it's not just about that, unfortunately, in my perspective.
And I'm hoping that's not too naive, but I need to hear people saying more specific.
So him saying, we did a good job.
We gave them money actually doesn't cut it for me.
No, no, it doesn't cut it, but I'm glad that even from Biden, the framing of we owe these countries something.
Yeah.
Like that, that's that's a positive step.
Yeah, I do agree with that.
But that was like when I was watching, that was like.
But like the idea, yeah, the idea that like, well, then it'll just be a new president.
Yeah.
And no one's like, but what if, but who, who after that?
Yeah.
Well, who's the president after that?
What would they do?
That whole section of the debate where like everyone was trying to explain to Joe Biden why that was a bad idea, I mentioned during, reminded me of like arguments I've had with elderly family members at like Thanksgiving where like all of the kids will try to be explaining something like marijuana or like why why a reform that all every young person is behind like is a good idea to like an elderly uncle being like, but what about this poorly thought out point?
What about this?
Yeah.
It's like, no, Just do this.
Yeah.
Then yeah.
I mentioned this during the debate.
I don't know if anyone ever touched on it, but like, has anyone said that they will not only like legalize marijuana, but also release everyone that's in prison for it?
Nobody said release everyone that's...
There was a lot of talk about legalizing marijuana.
Yeah.
But nobody was like.
In addition to that, like the people that have been fucked over in their life for this.
Okay.
Waiting for that.
It'll happen.
Yeah, waiting for someone else.
Beto will write in on the skateboard and say...
Oh, I was about to.
You're all free.
I was about to say we haven't mentioned Beto once.
I think we're all very close to being done with Beto forever.
Oh, I already am.
Like, my God.
At this point, I don't even want that.
But yeah, sure.
Runter said it.
Maybe you'll win.
I think he'd win about the first chance.
He might have lost it by now.
Yeah, just because his campaign was so bad and it exposed him as so weak.
Such a callow youth.
Yeah.
I mean, I truly, well, not truly, but part of me was like, ooh, I hope he uses his closing statement to exit the race.
Yeah.
I was like, I could just see that happening right now.
Similarly, I'm waiting for anyone on stage, because obviously a lot of people that are up there are like, I'm just here for like, maybe I'll get a cabinet position.
I'll probably write a book next year about this whole thing.
Marianne Williams.
Oh, for sure.
That's what she's doing.
But like, waiting for someone to be like, if I'm elected, I will abolish the presidency.
Like, in the context of that conversation, it's like, well, if the president changes, then everything will be good.
It's like, well, no, maybe we just shouldn't have that.
Sure.
You know, weren't they debating having three presidents or something when the founding fathers were framing the Constitution?
Yeah.
I think that's a Roman idea.
Yeah.
Too bad that didn't happen.
And they also suggested rewriting the Constitution every 17 years.
So, yep.
No, no, Cody, don't you know?
Everything they wrote back then is the way it has to be forever.
Oh, okay.
That makes sense.
That's what our founding fathers envisioned when they created a system that specifically included ways to alter the Constitution.
Yeah, they were hella psychic.
Yeah.
The things that I know about time, the world stays the same.
And the rules should stay the same.
The thing that I know about the founding fathers is that they all agreed 100% on everything that they did.
They agreed that everything was really good.
They were all really good ideas.
They were all really good people.
All really good people with the same attitudes towards the rights of human beings and who counted as a human being.
Yeah, yeah, I love that about them.
I love that.
I like how, yeah, how the best idea for a government was thought up a few hundred years ago.
And that's it.
That's it.
We're done.
Was thought up by people who didn't know how to make sure the water they drank didn't make them poop themselves to death.
And who statistically, a significant amount of these guys died from pooping themselves to death.
Like, probably at least a third of our founders.
There were a lot of dumb questions in both nights.
Well, Bernie thinks this.
Why is that insane and evil?
Yeah.
I jotted down tonight.
I don't know why.
In hindsight, maybe it's not as dumb, but I rolled my eyes.
It's like, who is the best candidate to heal the racial divide in America?
Because I don't think. that a candidate, a single candidate, can do that.
I don't know.
It just was like such an inane, like, let's actually talk about something more specific than something broad for you.
How are you going to fix it all?
How are you going to fix it all?
How are you going to fix 250 years of institutionalized racism?
Although I think Marianne has the best discussion of that.
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Yeah, she talks about that really well.
Reparations being talked about.
Yeah, that's what.
And the environmental justice, I think, are like.
Because my next question was like, this is dumb, but who do you guys think?
Marianne.
I loved how Gillibrand was like.
She was an intersectional feminist.
And I'm not going to, you know, I don't think like, you know, Senator Booker and Harris that like they should have the responsibility to do this.
If I'm elected president, I'll explain to all the white women why they have privilege.
I was like, aren't you saying that you should do it?
Because you're white?
Well, she's saying like, she says that she doesn't want.
Well, what she was actually saying, I mean, yeah, it is what she's saying.
She's being intersectional.
She's saying, like, white women, it's our job to like also be.
No, I get it.
But like, just, it seemed like framed like, I'll do it, guys.
I'll talk to her.
He's like, I got this, y'all.
Gillibrand clearly had two or three really good answers prepared that she was really comfortable with and that she delivered well.
And everything else, even if the meat of what she was saying was good, was very awkward.
I think just because she's not a good think on her feet debate.
She wavers.
She's not like Corey.
Corey Booker, I don't think had everything charted out ahead of time.
I think he's just got one of those kind of brains.
Yeah, he's very good on his feet.
He's really impressed me tonight.
Yeah.
Not Kamala tonight.
Kamala was very low energy tonight.
She seems very, very low energy Harris.
Low energy Harris and Sleepy Michael Bennett.
He did look sleepy.
What the fuck?
Why is Michael Bennett there?
So who can we lose?
I want to spend a hot second talking about Steve Bullock because who that is?
That's who I'm cool.
That's the guy I was thinking of.
I was trying to be the youngest Jeff.
That's the fourth Jeb.
That's the fourth Jeb.
He is, you know, he is young Bradley Whitford and get out.
Oh, God.
Like, there's something, everything about him, the way he talks.
He's got his eyebrows.
He's new.
He's new.
He made the fundraising.
He's super corny.
He was so bad.
A full quarter of the candidates in these two nights were Jeb.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It's a stage full of Jebs.
He was more entertaining than Jeb, but only because he's so laughable.
He looks like, I can see him in the 80s.
I can see him being that little punk in his polo.
See, his face already forgot.
Steve Bullock.
Steve Bullock.
His face is Bullock and Bennett.
That's why.
Yeah.
Bullock.
It sounds like a fucking cop drama that would have gotten canceled nine episodes in.
And we haven't talked about Warren at all.
Here's the thing about.
Show me his picture because I have forgotten that motherfucker's face already.
Listen to it.
And then I went to.
Bullock.
Okay.
Bennett, I remember.
Oh, that's Bullock.
Bennett's the one who looks like a Charles Schultz drawing.
Yeah.
Yeah, he looks like Bennett.
Bennett looks like.
Bennett looks like Charlie Brown all grown up.
Yeah.
Saturn.
His yacht shoes.
It looks like Charlie Brown, who never got over Snoopy's death and hasn't been able to pet another dog since.
Snoopy died?
Well, yeah.
All dogs go to heaven, of course.
Yes, of course.
Um, yeah, we could lose, we could lose the Jebs.
I wouldn't want to lose Inslee, um, which I think I think he's he was sort of lumped in with the Jebs at first, which I get.
No, but I think he has a legitimately noble mission of just shouting at client about climate change.
Dude, he's actually like he's engaging to listen to.
Like, yeah, he's a good speaker.
I, I, I, I wouldn't put him in the class of Jeb for many reasons.
He had some good stuff to say about white nationalism and the threats therein, which, as the governor of Washington, he fucking offered.
Yeah, he should probably be a little familiar with that.
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I thought Mike Gravelle got enough donors to be on the stage.
I believe he did.
What happened?
CNN happened.
Oh, I was going to say like a bottle of rum happened.
Mike Gravelle just didn't pick up.
Mike Gravelle just like drinking with the Gravelle teens.
And I know it wouldn't be a cell phone ringing.
It would be an old school pager sitting on the side of a desk buzzing until it fell into the trash.
That's how he tweets.
By Pager.
Well, I just want...
Just paging the Pentagon papers.
I was like, we didn't quite finish.
I wanted to just bring up real quick something about civil rights stuff.
That Biden's whole defense of his civil rights record was basically like, well, Obama hired me in Obama.
Obama was black.
It was literally, I have a black friend and he's the person.
That was shocking.
I was like, that's what you have to say, bro.
It's amazing.
Yeah.
So maybe he is the one that's best suited to heal our racial disease.
Yeah, clearly that I have a black friend.
Didn't someone say like, Biden, why do you always take credit for the Obama things, but then reject the bet, like the Obama things you don't like?
Yeah.
Someone said that, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Unless you said it something that you read on the bottom.
Books said he wasn't there tonight.
It's not Buller.
No, it wasn't Bullock.
I believe it was in the gym.
It might have been.
My guide is saying Corey Booker said it, but I don't know if I'll pay for it.
Oh, it was Corey Booker.
I'm always pausing.
My gut is so smart.
Way to go, Corey.
We haven't talked at all about Elizabeth Warren tonight.
We also haven't talked about Corey Booker's brother, Carrie Booker.
Weird looking.
Okay, now I've got to Google Carrie Barrett.
It just looks like a photo negative of his brother, and it's unsettling.
Is he running for president?
No, no, no, no.
It's just their names I think are just very funny.
Oh, that's to me like, what is it, Steph Curry and Steph Curry?
Steph Curry's brother has the same name as him.
Sorry, but yeah, Elizabeth Warren.
But let's talk about Elizabeth Warren.
She did great.
She did do great.
She did great.
She always does great, you guys.
She's very earnest and intelligent.
Good answers.
She's visibly melted.
She's also so good.
Bernie Katie is swooning right now.
Her and Bernie just like saying things that were accurate.
I mean, that's nice.
That was so nice to see.
I know people are like worried about like, oh, if you go too far left and I'm honored to the independents.
I really like a Sanders Warren selected fucking fascist.
Like, are you going to tell me we can't elect Elizabeth Warren, who in any sane country would be like a slightly left of center.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's nonsense, and the way it's framed is very, very frustrating.
But they're just so good together.
Yeah, it's really worth it.
I really want to see them run a presidential campaign, and I don't care who's VP and who's VP.
Bernie would be VP?
I think Bernie would definitely choose her as his VP.
Yeah.
I don't know if Elizabeth Warren would pick him.
I think she would probably be pressured by the Democratic Party to pick somebody else.
Because I want Warren, not Bernie.
I know.
I'm fine either way.
I'd be fine either way.
As long as one of them is the presidential nominee.
Like, I don't know.
I'd be fine with Castro as a presidential nominee and fucking Sanders or Warren as his VP, too.
Like, maybe that's the smarter play.
Oh, for me, it would be, I could see Castro being VP.
I don't see him as president.
I think he might be a fucking hell of a barnstormer.
I don't know that he's gotten the chance to do that yet.
But I think he might have the potential to run that kind of a campaign.
And even though he's more of a moderate, I don't know.
Like, that's not my suggestion or hope, but I could see him being a really solid presidential candidate.
I get behind Castro for sure.
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I do.
He does speak well.
And again, I said this to you guys earlier.
I don't want to vote for her.
I don't want Kamala to be the president.
Obviously, I'd vote for her if she was.
But I do.
You really don't want to.
I do think it'd be so fun to see her prosecute Donald Trump on a debate.
I just want to see her shouting at him at a bus station when they're both like trapped on a fixed stage.
That would be fine, too.
Yeah.
Downtown, and somebody films it on a cell phone.
That's what I want.
Or I guess get someone in there that brings him in front of Congress so she can question him in that forum.
That's what you want to see.
You want to see the impeachment stuff.
Yeah, but I don't want to see her stopped after three minutes.
I want to see her be allowed to do it.
Very good at a job that I wish didn't exist.
Yeah.
Right.
And that shouldn't be the president.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That shouldn't be the pipeline, the prosecutor to president pipeline.
Well, are there any other, what other things that you guys, did you want to talk about your takeaways from the last couple nights?
Which one is Klobuchar?
She's the one that either looks like your mom's friend who's trying to be cool, but you didn't really want to be around, or like maybe your freshman English teacher.
See, she needs that description, too.
She's a little too young to me.
Yeah, Gillibrand does need that description.
She's a lot of English teachers.
She reminds me of a senior AP English teacher.
You're right, you're right.
She is the person who would walk you through the scarlet letter.
And when you don't turn something in on time, she'd be like, I'm just so disappointed in you.
And you'd feel bad.
And you would feel bad.
You still wouldn't read Nathaniel Hawthorne.
No, you wouldn't.
And then you see her over summer at like a liquor store and you're like, fuck, that's sad.
And she's just buying one enormous bottle of vodka.
Yeah.
Oh, I was going to say like rosé, but sure, vodka.
Yeah, no, I think she's the hard-drinking kind of English teacher.
Oh, bottle of rose, a bottle of vodka.
You boil it up and then you have a night.
Put it in the coconut and mix it all up, baby.
Now you know it was written about Kristen Gillibrand, presidential nominee.
Real quick, just speaking, you mentioned, we're mentioning teachers, talking about teachers, and I don't want to pass this by because she said it in passing during the debate.
Elizabeth Warren was talking about how she always wanted to be a teacher.
And I just want only teachers and nurses to be to lead the country.
Teachers, nurses, and ER doctors.
Yeah.
I think a lot of ER doctors have a drug problem.
That's fine.
FDR was drunk the whole of World War II.
You know, she obviously worked with special needs kids and stuff, but I just want teachers to run for president and to be president.
Do you hear that teachers that are listening?
It's one of the reasons I really, really like her is because she has that vibe and she has that drive.
And that's where a lot of her compassion comes from and a lot of also her effectiveness because teachers know how to explain people.
Exactly.
And so she can make a case and make things clear.
They know how to explain things and then they habitually look at things from other people's perspective, not because they consider every perspective equally valid, but because they're trying to understand where those people are coming from in order to influence them in the middle.
They know how to listen.
Yeah, which is a lot of people.
And to actually listen.
And I think she's using those skills really well.
And I just had another thought that is gone.
It's lost.
I had too much rose.
Oh, we haven't talked about Buttajig.
Oh, yeah.
We didn't talk about him.
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He had a good moment, but I forgot what it was because I haven't slept in days.
It wasn't the one where he said you want a combat veteran grilling on white.
It's like, you know, Buttajig.
Come on.
A few moments like that from a bunch of different candidates who are like, if you nominate me, I can say this to Donald Trump on the debate stage.
Anyone can say that to him.
You don't need to be able to get it.
It's a thousand people a day on Twitter say that to him.
Right.
It's never made a difference.
It's like everybody's like, I need to have, that came with one prepared soundbite of what they would say to Donald Trump, just to remind everybody that we're not Donald Trump.
We know that.
Oh, the Elizabeth Warren thing.
She also values children so much.
And it's why one of her main things is the childcare and guaranteed childcare and pre-K and all that stuff.
And it's the kind of thing where it's like, any, of course, if you treat every child equally and give every single child the opportunity that they need to thrive, then your society in general will be so much better a few years later because of what you've done for every single child.
And she understands that, and I love her for it.
Yes.
But anyway, Pete.
Oh, you know what?
Actually, I just remembered the worst answer, I think, of the debates was actually one of Castro's.
And because he's a smooth talker, it kind of slid past and no one hit him on it.
But it was when he was talking about Flint, and he was like, when I was the director of health and human services, or when I was the director of HUD, we dealt with that.
And then he kind of pivots to the fact that it's still not dealt with.
But he didn't direct, he was like, yeah, that was on you.
And it's still a problem.
And then I was also there six weeks ago.
And it's like, and was it good?
Was it any better?
You did it worse.
Why don't you fill in the blanks?
What did you do?
What happened there?
There's a lot of glossing over.
Yeah, he's very smooth, but it was also like, yeah, you really are someone I should be angry at over that.
Right.
Last night, the question about Flint was that it's still a problem.
Yeah, is that it's still fucked up and you didn't do your job, Julian.
It's frustrating how many people sidestepped questions and just dodged it and there was no fucking thing.
Moderators, this modern.
Never, never press anybody.
Ever so often they would press somebody on something.
But again, the moderators aren't journalists.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
But that's what you want.
Yeah.
You want to be able to, and you can get an answer and be like, well, actually, as a journalist, I'm aware that you're lying or like that you're not including the full context or something.
Everybody should have like a big long half-hour chunk of time with a journalist.
And the journalist, the journalist should get to throw two tomatoes per hour.
Like the hard green ones?
Yeah.
Every time they lie to Joe Biden, whenever they choose.
That'd be so satisfying.
Oh, politics would be so much better.
But a jig.
We have to, like, he's a contender.
Yeah, yeah.
He's a contender in a way.
I think that he's going to end up governor or something.
But the three of us are not particularly enthralled by him.
I guess the reason I keep bringing him up is that I have a couple of friends who are not normally very politically engaged who find him incredibly charismatic and inspiring.
And I don't get that either.
Yeah.
But I know that he has had an impact on some people and that his rhetoric is appreciated by them.
Yeah.
I don't connect with that, but I do get it.
Yeah, I don't have strong feelings about the guy one way or the other.
I think he seems lovely that I'd love to have him as a friend.
But he's not quite my politics.
Yeah.
I guess the vibe I get.
He's a great mayor.
Yeah.
Also, mayor is kind of a low-rung job.
It is wild to jump from that.
Governor makes sense.
Yeah.
I can't remember what it was.
He did have a couple moments last night that were good, but I can't remember what they were specifically.
And you'd think that I'd have written it down, but I didn't.
I believe he again was confronted with talking about, you know, racial issues with cops and stuff.
Cops and things like that.
He's not great at actually addressing it.
Not even just head-on, but in general at all.
He sort of sidesteps it a lot and it's like, you know, we got problems.
Well, that reminds me to talk about De Blasio in that moment.
Ooh, that was fucking de Blasio.
The protesters were chanting.
Yeah, yeah.
He's enchanting.
I heard that deportation.
During Biden, I believe they were chanting 3 million deportations.
Yeah.
That's what they were chanting for Biden.
For De Blasio, and also Booker for some reason, was a fire Pantaleo.
Yeah, they started chanting that during the time.
But they started chanting that during Booker's.
Well, the first time you could hear it faintly was De Blasio, and then they really went whole hog for Booker for some reason.
But then Jake Tapper kept saying Eric Gardner, which really bothered me.
You're like, you've got to have that name written in front of you, man.
And a city burned because how can you not have that down?
Yeah.
A couple of times.
That's nuts.
But what was de Blasio's response to that?
It was basically like, oh, it's the Justice Department.
The Federal Justice Department got in his way or was slowing it down.
He didn't answer.
He didn't answer.
Why isn't he nobody pressed to mine?
But I believe it was Gillibrand who said, I would have fired that cop.
Yeah.
And I like that.
Straightforward.
I mean, those are usually the best answers.
Like, even when, to Joe Biden's credit, I forget what the exact question was, if it was Inslee, I think, asking about it.
And then Joe was like, yes.
And then they're like, yeah, it was about getting rid of stopping the use of coal.
Yeah, no longer subsidizing.
Yeah, which is great.
And that's what I love about Inslee being up there.
He just made Joe Biden commit on stage in front of everybody that that's something he would do.
Yeah, I think Inslee justified his run for president with that moment, if nothing else.
Who do you want to see gone before the next debate?
Oh, Williamson, Yang.
Yeah.
I don't need the Jebs.
Beto.
Yeah, we can get rid of all the Jebs.
I don't mind.
So like, I don't know.
It's frustrating because the Williamsons and like Yang, the things they're talking about, I think, are issues that are important to talk about.
And if they're not there, no one is.
I think we've gotten all we can get out of them.
Yeah, that's the other idea.
Toxicity.
And then it's like, okay, at this point, we're risking getting into something dangerous happening.
We're going to get the political equivalent of toxic shock syndrome if we let them sit there.
So here's a pitch, though.
So these are people who I'm like, every time you speak, you're saying something that's important that people need to hear.
So what if they moderate one of the debates instead?
That's a cool idea.
Who moderates?
If the people that aren't in the face of the Williamson will be a moderator and Yang will be a moderator and they can bring up these topics that are important and sort of engage with the act, like the candidates.
I'm imagining Williamson grilling Joe Biden on the medicinal uses of crystals.
I really like that image.
Oh, God, that'd be so great for everybody.
What a wholesome time that would be.
What a bad time for him that would be.
So we've qualified a number of candidates as Jebs.
Yeah.
And I think we're all in agreement that Beto is not a Jeb, but is on the hierarchy of candidates.
Is Beto above a Jeb or below a Jeb based on his inherent worth as a candidate?
Do we, in our heads, qualify him as above sub-Jeb or I think he's sub-Jeb?
I think he's sub-jeb, I think he's worse than a Jeb.
Yeah, he's not even worth it.
I am so thrilled that we all agree on this.
That there's not even any tension here.
He's sub-Jeb.
No exclamation point after Beto.
Sub-Jeb is such a funny way to describe someone.
He's a real sub-Jeb up there.
I hope we can turn Jeb's name into like a byword for a lame political candidate.
Oh, we are.
He's already taken off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
By the time this airs, he's jebbing.
We've already got jebing hard.
We've already got merch in the pipeline.
He's jebbing up there.
He really jebbed it.
Yeah.
All right, guys.
Thank you so much for joining us, listening to us talk.
You know what?
You know, that's what podcasts are.
Last time I gave the wrong email address, then I had to get two email addresses.
But here's where we're setting you.
I know, I get it.
You totally biden the email.
I biffed it.
Biden did.
Jeb's Bidening around.
It's worstyartips at gmail.com.
Is that better or worse than a bunch of Jebs Bidening around?
The rails have gone off of this.
WorstyearTips at gmail.com if you want to send us questions or thoughts for our upcoming show, which we're definitely doing.
It's true.
Once we get some sleep.
And remember, be a Jeb, not a Beto.
At least be a Jeb.
At least be a Jeb.
No one wants to be sub-Jeb.
Please be a Jeb.
You don't need no Beto's in here.
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