17,000 Year History of the Armenian People and the Native Tribes of the USA w/ Vahan Setyan
Vahan Setyan, an Armenian-American UN ambassador for the Sioux Treaty Council and sovereign affairs advocate, traces Armenia’s history to 17,000–19,000 years in the ancient highlands—modern Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Syria, and Mesopotamia—using linguistic ties (e.g., Armenian-Polynesian similarities) and pre-Christian artifacts like Gobegli Tepe’s clay tablet. He challenges Mesrob Mashdots’ alphabet myth, citing 15,000–20,000 BC petroglyphs and Atkinson/Gray’s 7,000 BC findings, while exposing systemic erasure of indigenous histories. Parallels drawn to Native American struggles—healthcare disparities, uranium contamination, and economic barriers—lead to a vision: leveraging sovereignty through partnerships like Gaju Maru’s decentralized blockchain currency, set to launch in late 2026, as a tool for global communities to reclaim dignity and bypass corporate control. [Automatically generated summary]
All right, guys, welcome to the latest episode of Blood Money.
Today, I have a very special guest.
His name is Vahan Setyan, and we're about to take you on a journey, guys.
So, thank you for joining us for this episode of Blood Money.
Vahan, how are you doing, sir?
Good.
How are you?
Thanks for having me, bud.
Yeah, yeah.
It's great to have you on here.
So, a little bit of quick background.
You know, Vahan is obviously of Armenian descent.
Setyan is an Armenian last name, and we met a few weeks back.
We started talking about Vahan's incredible experience.
He's written five different books.
He is one of the experts on Armenian history, which gravitated me towards a conversation I had with him, history that he says spans 17,000 to 19,000 years.
And we're just going to dive right into it, Vahan.
Before we get into all the stories, the details, give us a quick little introduction on who you are and a little bit about your background.
Sure.
Well, my background is very complicated as far as what I do.
I just don't do one thing.
First of all, thank you very much for me being with you to discuss my background and what you're going to ask next.
But as far as what I do, I'm both in the government level and at the same time with the private sector.
I work with Native Americans across the United States and Canada and internationally.
I'm an ambassador to the United Nations for the Sioux Nation of Indians and their Treaty Council.
I do healthcare economic development consultation for various tribes in the United States, including gaming, healthcare, hospitality.
At the same time, I do consult with other healthcare organizations with their policy and development and business development at the same time.
While I'm doing that, I'm also working with many of the veterans communities.
I'm the director of Veterans Affinity on sovereign affairs.
So we try to help our veterans with their benefits and also any other post-acute care we can provide for them.
Trying to figure out their housing problem, their homelessness, and their behavioral health issues that they have.
While doing that, I'm also the director of Goodwill and Ambassadorship at the Asian American National Committee, where we try to include all the underserved communities in our healthcare economic development projects, whatever we can take that to.
Plus, at the same time, I've been involved in ancient historical examination language, and I've written several books on that, with my own perspective, with consulting with other experts in the field.
So it has been a very interesting journey.
I spent time and lived on the reservation with the Native American communities.
And as a non-native, it's a huge honor.
At the same time, it's a huge burden to see all these things happening within the United States, and the media doesn't cover that.
So that's something that I always try to put at the forefront of media and books for the public to know that we have many underserved communities that the media doesn't talk about.
And we need the attention to be misdirected and allocated to those sectors where we can help them with their ailments that they're facing every day.
So again, I am in various fields, but at the same time, I'm trying to just do as much as I can to help the communities that need the help with the help of the investors and government officials and the private sector to make things better for tomorrow.
You know, the thing that I found really interesting is that usually Native communities don't bring on an Armenian guy or anybody from the outside to help them run the show.
And you're pretty prominent.
I mean, you're one of the main players.
Tell me about that a little bit.
Well, it was kind of interesting how I got in there.
It was them that reached out to me more than 10 years ago, asking me to help them.
Their council reached out to me.
Very surprisingly, they don't do that, but they did.
As a healthcare consultant, I was helping a few companies here in Arizona, especially with elder care and cancer care for the seniors.
So they heard about me and they gave me a call.
So I drove out there to their capital at Window Rock in the Navajo Nation, which is the largest tribe in the United States.
And then after we had our first meeting, I realized that they do need a lot of help.
And it's a matter of making a decision whether you forget what you heard and what you saw and you go by your day or you decide to stay and help them out.
And I have this feeling that I may have the capability for me to help them, especially the cancer patients and their elder veterans that are on the reservation that are suffering.
You know, the first few years was very difficult.
Obviously, you're a foreigner in those lands.
They don't trust you and all.
But, you know, I befriended a few good people there, medicine men and former tribal council members that saw that I'm really there to help them.
I'm not asking for money or to steal their land or poison their water.
Sometimes they even think that way.
So eventually, after a couple of years, I established the first hospice program in U.S. history on tribal lands, you know, under the presidential mandate approved by the Department of Justice.
And it was the first time in both U.S. history, tribal history, you know, history of the Armenians that in Armenia went there on the reservation to make this happen.
And we were in a newspaper, and then eventually I went to Congress to a testimony to this effect.
And so I started helping other tribes, you know, to realize what it means to really go outside their borders and find solutions that really work.
So now I'm hoping that more and more of this will permeate in other tribal nations for them to see that there are many programs out there that should come into the reservations to help them instead of them just suffering because there is no help.
Wow, wow.
So, okay, what are some of the things?
Because, you know, when you talk about sovereign Native American land, to most Americans, they haven't even been there.
They don't know what it looks like.
You know, we just don't know much about it.
And you're right.
The media doesn't talk about it much.
For people that want to check out the sovereign lens, I mean, you should look at the map of all these Native American lands and see how much of it is sovereign Native American.
But what goes on these lands?
And, you know, what is it that you think they need help with over there?
Well, they need help in all the sectors you can imagine, from food to energy to water to cleaning their environment.
Within the Navajo Nation, there's still more than 30 uranium mines from World War II.
They haven't been cleaned yet.
So they still have the black lung problem.
Their water is poisoned.
So they can't even drink their own water.
They have to go to maybe 30, 40 miles to a gas station to get water to bring back to the reservation.
Imagine how devastating that would be if we had to go through the same thing where our lands were poisoned.
At the same time, many people don't have the housing that they should deserve, that they deserve.
They live in aqueducts.
I've seen people that just wander off.
There's a huge problem of women and children being murdered and missing on the reservations because just a large expanse of land and anything goes.
So I try to work with various organizations to help them to mediate that problem as well.
So the infrastructure within Indian country is very weak.
But I guess they try to make the best out of things.
They have Indian gaming, which really helped only few, really.
But at the same time, we want to help them with all the healthcare disparities.
They are genetically predisposed to disposition to have these issues, and especially with the exposure to fast food and sugar, which their digestive system cannot digest, that causes more issues.
We have a huge problem of diabetes, heart problems, wound issues, ulcers and all that.
So for us to take care of.
So it's a demographic that needs a special attention.
And when I wrote the tipping point regarding the healthcare issues in Indian country, especially when COVID hit Indian country, as much as it hit Indian country, there's a lot of solutions there that we can learn to solve our national healthcare crisis.
So their sovereignty is very important for their benefit.
But at the same time, if we can harness that sovereignty for us to work together to bring in solutions to their lands, we can have a much better and positive conversation about this instead of just talking about all the issues that we see currently.
So, you know, it is a problem that hasn't hit the mainstream media as far as what we need to do.
But if we, you know, the more we speak about this, I think that it's something that every community should know.
After all, in the United States, we're on their lands, whether we like it or not.
If you're not a Native American, then you're an immigrant.
It doesn't matter where you've come from.
So basically, if they are the stewards of this country and we're living on their lands, whether it's their former land or the current land, then we have the duty to kind of protect their sacred lands and hear them out and the solutions that they have, something that maybe the Western world doesn't understand yet.
We need to give them a chance for them to basically let us know how they can be helped and how we can work together.
It's a very fine relationship.
It's a very delicate relationship.
We need to basically harness that and accept their blessing whenever we get their blessing and try to work together.
So that's basically what I'm aiming at, if you can imagine.
Yeah, I mean, what are some of the cultural differences that make it challenging over there in terms of things like business development and having these communities?
I mean, casinos is great, but there's so much more than casinos in order to establish a self-functioning society, but also allow them prosperity.
So what are some of the things that you'd like to bring to the table to help them with that?
Well, obviously agriculture.
There's a huge need for agriculture for the United States.
And I think if we engage Indian country, we can feed the world, literally, if we utilize their farmlands, if they utilize their farmlands.
We have many farm workers, farmers out there in Indian country who are sitting idle.
because there is no incentive for them to work or there is no capital for them to harness the power of their lands for agriculture.
If you can imagine if we could just open that door right there, how huge of an economy we can open for the United States.
We can actually grow an Indian country, say, you know, made an Indian country, you know, grown or Indian country, and for us to utilize interstate transportation, for us to transport all the goods from one state to the other, that's very big, and very few talk about that.
The other infrastructure is what if we bring in, you know, technological locations and tech schools and medical schools and law schools on the reservation.
It will give them the hope that, okay, they're being inclusive in this.
Why not have Indian country be more involved in the mainstream economy?
And of course, their sovereignty is very huge.
If they decide to exercise that, we can participate in international import-export with other countries directly to Indian country.
And I think that, well, that conversation is already happening.
I'm just hoping that for there to be more inter-tribal commerce and inter-tribal involvement instead of just one tribe doing it.
There needs to be some sense of comradeship and camaraderie amongst themselves to create this economy.
And that's why whenever I deal with investors, I do talk about the opportunities in Indian country.
Some people may be scared because there are sovereign lands and they don't have control over what's transpiring, but it's not as severe as people think.
It's like many hotels are built on sovereign lands for a mutually beneficial project.
We go to other countries and establish manufacturing plants in other countries.
It's the same thing.
I mean, if we're going to be scared because, you know, a certain country or a sovereign land may do something that will force you to lose your property, then there will be no investment at all across the globe.
But we see many instances where hotels come in.
Elon Musk comes in and opens up a manufacturing plant in New Mexico on tribal lands.
We have the Butterfly Museum that has had more than $100 million investment coming into tribal lands to utilize that opportunity.
So it's the same thing with any other investment.
If both sides have a mutually beneficial agreement that can help both sides, then people shouldn't be afraid of investing into Indian country in sovereign lands.
There's a huge opportunity.
It's an untapped market.
I mean, it's no different than investing in like, you know, Argentina or UK, but it just happens to be on the same continent as us.
That's right.
Yeah, it's the same.
I mean, isn't it better, let's say, for us to invest in this sovereign land versus another sovereign country?
You know, if we need to go abroad, you know, there should be an opportunity for us to sit down and have a dialogue with the elders of Indian country.
You know, they do ask for investment.
It's not that we're just forcing this opportunity upon them.
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Do you want to see economic prosperity and opulence on their lands?
They have a lot of land.
They ask if investors can come in to do agricultural projects, if they can put in private hospitals.
And as more and more, as time goes by, you see some tribes are clever enough and smart enough for them to create these agreements with healthcare organizations for a hospital to come in or a healthcare organization or a clinic.
And you see a lot of that.
I'm in Arizona, so I see a lot of that happening on reservations.
It's basically making the economy boom.
It's creating a lot of jobs.
And also at the same time, it's giving back to the Native American community for them to be able to fund their own projects, the one that has been on hold for so many years.
Wow, wow.
So, I mean, what's prevented them from until this point in bringing in a lot of investments?
Is it a matter of having somebody like with your experience to be able to lure that kind of investment or what was the, what's been the.
100%.
Um.
I mean, you need somebody inside to come out and say, listen, guys, this is the opportunity.
And this is how we can restructure or structure the deal.
These are the elements.
These are the processes.
Unless that conversation is had between the elders of the reservation and then the outside, no progress will be made.
And fortunately, I have been amongst them for me to learn all this, for me to see what works, what doesn't.
So when I come out and have conversations with investors, I already have done the hard work.
Something that will save on time and capital on the runarounds and then the labyrinth and the bureaucracy of things.
It's the same thing as dealing, let's say, with China or Japan.
You need to understand their culture.
You need to find a way for you to have a dialogue that makes sense for both sides.
And you can't have that until somebody or people from where you want to do business at comes out and says, okay, guys, this is the platform now.
If you listen to me, if you follow these directions, both sides will win.
So it's the same situation.
And I think that's why I see more and more investors reaching out to me for any of the opportunities that come around for us to do on tribal lands.
Stem cell research and treatment, for example.
Bringing in wellness destination on the reservation versus our own citizens going to other countries for their wellness.
I mean, we see it all the time.
Instead of us bringing the world here in the United States for wellness, we have our own citizens go to other countries and spend the U.S. dollars abroad instead of the world coming here.
So that's the other project that I'm working on.
Wow.
I mean, we do a lot of different interviews, but one of the ladies I interviewed recently does this psilocybin therapy for PTSD, but she's got to bring people to Costa Rica so she won't get trouble here.
In terms of stem cells, I know people that also do it within the United States, but they have to go through this process where you're almost considered a foreign national, so they have no jurisdiction.
It's some kind of legal process.
But essentially, people are having a really hard time with some of those groundbreaking therapies.
So you're saying if they do that on sovereign land, then they could pretty much do whatever they want to do that most people would go to Mexico or Costa Rica or Africa for.
Right.
Well, if the sovereignty and the treaties are exercised properly to ensure the public that Whatever procedure is being done is safe as opposed to anything goes.
At least sovereign lands have more flexibility in bringing in those wellness programs that otherwise would be difficult in fee simple lands.
So that's something that that's why we want to utilize the sovereign powers for the greater good.
In this case, healthcare and wellness.
And that's why I started to do the healthcare because that's what we need.
We have a national healthcare crisis.
We have many people that go abroad to get cured and get treated versus them doing here.
And there's a lot of capital sitting on a sideline for it to be invested in stem cell treatment.
But unfortunately, the regulations that we have set up now with the FDA and CDC makes it very difficult for even the most simplest and most proven treatments to reach the people that need it.
So sometimes we need to realize that it's not whether we have cures or solutions for healthcare.
It's the bureaucracy and the red tape that's there which is barring people from being exposed to this treatment.
So let me ask you, I mean, because we have so many people that are into these alternate forms of medicine, mental health care.
What would the process be if somebody was like, you know, if I was to tell one of these individuals, hey, you don't have to do this in Costa Rica, you could do this on native land.
I mean, is there investment for this sort of thing?
How would they go about transferring their business from overseas foreign countries to sovereign land within the continental U.S.?
Well, the topic we're discussing, I mean, if it goes out to the mainstream media, there will be a huge influx of at least inquiry of how and where this can be done.
The good thing is that the relationships that we have with different tribes that are open for healthcare economic development is where we can go to have these type of discussions.
For example, there are many tribes that have allocated acres upon acres for an outside investment to come in and to work with them, whether through a tribal enterprise or directly with the tribal government, is free to exercise the sovereignty and bring in a healthcare community or even a healthcare city and just be built on tribal lands.
I mean, let's say you do a 99-year lease, you bring your investment in, and now the entire medical city is open for both all the tribal members and also from people abroad.
Now, the investors are going to ask, okay, how we're going to make money.
Well, the thing is that if you're going to bring in these special treatments on sovereign lands, well, let's make sure we bring in all the treatments that you are making money in other countries.
In other words, let's turn the table and invest into these lands that have been appropriated for these type of projects.
And by doing that, you're empowering the tribe and then in reverse, the powers in tribal empowering you to continue bringing in this business into their sovereign lands.
And that's what I'm saying.
There's a win-win situation.
And especially if the tribe sees the benefit of this, they will exercise their full sovereign powers to make sure that the operation runs smoothly.
Course, you know, you want to have an obvious, you know, checks and balances on healthcare and wellness and rules and regulations to make sure that everybody is functioning under certain protocols to make sure nobody gets hurt.
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But same thing is happening in Costa Rica, in Japan, in Israel.
Well, people go to Turkey, for example.
If a U.S. citizen goes out there to do a special treatment, I'm sure they do trust the system there because they're not going to go through their protocols and regulations and read everything and then make a decision whether it's a good idea for them to do that treatment.
They go there because, you know, the structure already has been put in place and people go there.
And through hearsay, they go and do the same procedure.
So same thing can happen in the United States, where the world can come to the United States for all their wellness needs instead of just coming to the United States to do a specific surgical procedure and then leaving.
So that's a huge opportunity right there.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's interesting you mentioned the FDA.
Has things, you know, and I totally realize you're politically connected.
You might have to be careful with your words here, but has our country become so corrupted where we're not allowing some of the obvious things?
Look, I understand if it's experimental and that sort of thing, but we know that stem cell therapy helps a lot.
I have a friend that does it as a U.S. sovereign, you know, by not allowing jurisdiction due to her paperwork.
And she keeps sending me, you know, stage four cancer patients that she's reversing their cancer using this.
So obviously there's something that's working there, but has it become so corrupted where we're not allowing this sort of thing?
Well, obviously, I mean, it's not that we don't have solutions for it.
It's the bureaucracy and the red tape that is barring us from giving the solutions to the people.
I mean, if you're a big pharma, for example, and as a scientist, I come in and say, listen, I found a cure for cancer.
What's going to happen to me?
If you rely on continuous sick care, why would an overnight healthcare solution serve you as a big pharma?
See what I'm saying?
So that's basically the main concept is that you cannot solve, let's say, a healthcare problem and then expect the medicine community or the pharma community to celebrate because that's hurting the business.
And of course, you know that the triangle of CDC, FDA, and even CMS, they work together.
So they need to control all this.
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So why do we have instances where people go to other countries and get well and better with less money?
But here in the United States, you don't have that luxury to do that.
I understand.
FDA comes in for many other important things, let's say to make sure that it has quality and it's safe and all those things.
Of course, they are needed.
But if we have solutions out there in other countries and they can't come here because the big pharma stops them from doing that, then it's already evident why we don't have those solutions that we get in other countries.
Wow, wow.
You know, what I find very interesting is your Armenian background and Armenians are the natives of the Caucasus, that region, between, you know, anywhere between what's currently Istanbul, known to us as Constantinople.
And then you have all the way to what is modern Armenia.
I mean, that's the historic lands of Armenians.
And the Armenians are the natives of that region.
Yet, you know, a lot of us were displaced because of a genocide.
And now you're helping Native Americans, which I find fascinating.
So I'm not really asking you a question here.
I want you to talk about that topic, your Armenian background, how that relates to the natives, and what you could tell us about that topic.
Well, the way we talk about Native Americans in the United States or the First Nations in Canada or the other indigenous tribes in other countries, Armenians are indigenous.
If you look at from the tribal standpoint, when we talk about sovereign tribes or sovereign people, we are indigenous to our ancient Armenian highlands, same way as Native Americans.
So if an Armenian sits down with a Native American, they are both indigenous, but they're just from different worlds, basically.
So that's how old the Armenian people are for them to consider themselves to be indigenous to the Armenian highlands.
And for after, let's say, 17,000, 18,000 years later, there's this Armenian guy, you know, in the United States is now working with the Native Americans in the United States.
So it's a very interesting kind of a journey.
But yes, as far as for the Armenians themselves, we have dealt with all the tribes across the world throughout the millennia.
It seems like we have traveled the world.
We have navigated around the earth.
And we have met other indigenous people from Polynesia, all the way to Japan, all the way to the United States throughout our course of navigation.
It's just that time forgot.
Time made all this for us to forget.
It was never written down.
But we tend to see some fingerprints here there of our travels across the world.
That's why my second book was called Language as a Fingerprint, because if you really examine the Armenian language, you can see its fingerprints across the world.
Wow, I mean, so tell me a little bit about that.
When we met, we were talking about how, which I was surprised because I used to think Armenians were six, seven thousand years old.
I know we're like the oldest, well, the oldest I know people in the world, but you're telling me that it's more like 17, 18,000 years old.
You had written books on the topic, the idea of fingerprints.
I mean, definitely enlighten us as to this rich Armenian history around the world.
Well, you mentioned 6,000, 7,000 years.
Even there are many people, even Armenians themselves don't even go that far.
That's the heartbreaking part is because the educational system has been so fossilized in minimizing the timeframe or the chronology of the Armenian people for such a long time, including, let's say, the Soviet era that didn't allow, you know, let's say one group to surpass another, whether culturally or with a background or with history, that, you know,
we still are under the effects of the Soviet era, you know, marginalization of the Armenian people and the people of the Caucasus.
And then combined with, you know, many genocides.
And so it wasn't just one genocide.
You know, we had the massacres and the genocides throughout the years.
You know, that kind of diminished our presence in historical books.
And then when that happens, when there is this gap, then others start coming in and filling that gap with other nonsense or their own cultural background into that gap.
So if we're not careful, I mean, Armenians are endangered.
They're like endangered bears.
They're like dinosaurs that are still around miraculously.
And it's very hard for other cultures to accept that.
to say, for example, you know, we have no more Egyptians, right?
We don't see Egyptians going around.
They're all Arabs.
Or Sumerians that they call quote-unquote Sumerians.
But Armenians are still around.
So it's very difficult for other cultures to accept the fact that these people who have been around for a millennia from Armenian highlands are still, you know, still exist and still prosper and still trying to have their history known against all the falsifications and misappropriations of Armenian history across all books and media.
Look what's happening everywhere.
There's all these anti-Armenian defamation efforts from different cultures, which means that if the Armenian doesn't really tend to their history or value it, then others will take it because there's so much around that area that is so valuable.
So that's basically the situation now.
What are some, I mean, when you say like there's fingerprints that we, you know, Armenians have been around for 17,000, 18,000 years, what are some of the things you've discovered?
Well, I mean, if you just resorting to all the researchers lately, from the examination of the Polynesian language to the bedrock of various cultural elements in Japan,
for example, in North America, South America, you can see not only Armenian elements, you see words there, you see cultural parallels, you see symbolic parallels.
And there is no denying that sometime many thousands of years ago, there was a contact where two cultures met and they exchanged the information and just time really forgot.
And now we come back and we hear, let's say, a word here, word there that is basically so blatantly Armenian that there was no way that it was just a coincidence that you have, let's say, 500 or 1,000 words in the Polynesian language, for example, that basically sound like Armenian, but it's a coincidence that it sounds like Armenian, even though it sounds the same and means the same thing.
So there's a coincidence.
There's also statistically significant conclusion that, you know what, we cannot discount that we had our ancient contact many thousands of years ago.
We just never realized that was the case.
And I think it's a group effort too.
Sometimes when other cultures do their own examinations, they will uncover certain things that maybe in Armenia would be very valuable in being inclusive in examining that evidence.
For example, what's happening in ancient Armenia, now, you know, modern Turkey, where they unearthed all, you know, thousands of years of temples, for example.
Let's say, you know, Port Dasar, which the Turks tended to go tepe, for example.
You know, that's at least 10,000 years old.
But they're not allowing Armenians to examine Those cultural artifacts, which is very, you know, contrary to this scientific approach of doing things, because you needed the Armenian to be there because they lived there.
You need their input to understand the symbolism and including where everything is found.
You need their input so you can have a better conceptualization of what's really happening, what's being found.
Otherwise, it's incomplete.
I mean, for people that don't know, you know, Turkey claims to have been the natives of the land, which is actually Armenian land historically.
And they've gone to a great effort to cover up the native Armenians over there.
And so, just like you were saying, you know, they try to appropriate it but erase the past.
What do we find in places like what you'd mentioned, Gobelgitopia?
I think you said that are indications that Armenians were the natives over there.
Well, you know, a portasar, which is Goblaklitepe in Turkish, basically, a naval hill, it's one of many examples of what's being unearthed.
And, you know, you need to look at ancient Armenian highlands from an ancient perspective and map.
And I do have a map I want to show to the audience so they can understand.
So I'm going to share my screen for a second.
So at least you can see what I'm talking about.
So let's say if we let's if we concentrate, do you see it?
Yep, yep.
So this is just an example I want to show to the audience because that's the best way you can see it.
The yellow line that the region is basically ancient Armenian highlands.
Actually, it's bigger than that, but you can just try to visualize this going back, let's say, 10,000, 12,000 years ago.
As you can see, it covers half of Turkey.
It goes up, you know, toward Georgia and then comes down to Azerbaijan, into Syria and into Mesopotamia.
You see all that?
Well, try to have this vision as we talk about basically ancient history.
And for example, if you look at this, this area right here is the same yellow area that I showed previously.
And these are some of the findings, including Portasar, Gobegli Tepe, and Karahan and all that.
Now, this lies within ancient Armenian highlands.
And it's not just because it's within the Armenian highlands that we're connecting to Armenians, but the language and the DNA examinations and all lead Armenians back to this time.
Now, whether the scientific community wants to deny it or not, the fact of the matter is that the ancient Armenian community has been involved in both the construction and also within the presence of this proximity.
And the reason why I want to show you this is because, for example, this is one of the pillars in Port Asaj.
As you can see, we have all these designs.
You see this right here that looks like A fox kind of a hide where you see the three, the tail and all that.
You see that?
Okay.
Well, what's interesting is that about a hundred years ago, an artifact was found in Bombay and it was bought by a Jew.
And then that Jew brought this artifact into Georgia, the country of Georgia, into a news center where he asked one of his colleagues if this can be interpreted because not only does it look Armenian, there's also Armenian letters on the bottom.
And the interesting thing is that this is a pre-Christian base relief.
In other words, this is a clay tablet that was found.
And this is a photo taken from 1903.
The interesting is that when you see the same height here, that's one indication that it's connected to Port Asar in Armenia.
You see the pillar here?
It's the same pillar as in Port Asar.
And then on the bottom here are all these pre-Christian Armenian letters, which is a closer look at this, as you can see.
So this basically completely refutes the idea that Meserv Mashtots created the Armenian alphabet because it's preposterous.
I think.
Background On Armenian Alphabet00:12:05
I'm going to give a little quick background for people that don't understand that because as Armenians, and this kind of shows you that even within the culture, the truth is not being told to us.
Because what's told in when you go study Armenian history at, say, UCLA, is that post-Christian Christianity, so after Christ, this guy named Mesrob Mashdots was inspired by God to come up with the Armenian alphabet.
And prior to that, we did not have an Armenian alphabet.
But what you showed me is pre-Mesrob Mashdots, there being an Armenian alphabet.
Am I correct?
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, definitely.
It's preposterous to think that way.
Listen, we don't want to discount the efforts of people in the past, including Meserob Mashdots.
Now, whether he was a real person or a mythological person, that's another topic.
And it's a 50-50 chance that he never was real.
He was just invented.
But just let's say he was real.
And if the idea is for him to come and reintroduce the letters after, let's say, the Christianization of Armenia, because the transition from being Mithraic Armenians into Christian Armenians, there was a huge battle and a huge war.
Many Armenians died who were forcibly converted to Christianity.
And because of that, obviously, many books and libraries were burned like any other culture, right?
It's not just Armenia's case.
But in Armenia's case, it was virtually, it was basically 100% destruction.
All the books, everything else were destroyed.
All the Mithraic Christs were killed.
And whatever was ancient Armenian, it was incorporated into the Armenian Christian cultural tangent.
Who did that?
Those are Armenians versus Armenians?
Armenians versus Armenians?
Yes.
Non-Christian Armenians with already converted Armenians.
Yes.
There was a lot of Situations where, let's say, Gregory the Illuminator, for example, you know, he was an Armenian, but he's a patron saint.
You know, he came in and he ordered all the Armenian temples and books to be burned and for those who refused to convert to Christianity to be killed.
And obviously, you had to have, you know, your Armenian counterparts to follow those orders.
So many of this, all those things happen.
It's not a mystery that has happened.
It's just that we wanted just to downplay that and just only emphasize the good part about Christianity coming into Armenia, right?
But it's not always the case, like any other country or any other culture.
There's always this big upheaval when something big is about to change.
But that took almost 100 years.
After 100 years, if a child is born, they will never know that they had 10,000 years of history before them because everything has been destroyed already.
Now they're exposed to a new reality.
And this new reality has been immersed in all our historical books until today.
And only recently that we have started examining ancient Armenian culture and language, I would say maybe the last 200 years.
And now with the Armenian petroglyphs and with evidences that we actually had many things happening in Armenia.
We were the first metal smelters.
We were the first astronomers.
We were the first to navigate.
So when you have all these extraordinary things happening within your culture, it's inconceivable for you to have, for you to not have your own literature.
Armenians had their own God of literature.
God Tij was God of literature.
So you cannot have your own national god of literature and have no literature.
It doesn't make any sense.
So this is pre-Christian.
It goes against the myth that it all really was inspired by Christianity.
Yeah, that's the thing.
And, you know, Christianity takes a lot of credit, obviously, because it wants to say that one of their own monks had this divine inspiration.
And then, you know, after a while, people start changing the narrative.
They're saying, oh, well, it doesn't mean he created, he reintroduced it or those things.
Yeah, there are variations of.
So if he reintroduced it, that means we had something before.
It's very obvious.
That artifact you showed me with the Armenian letters on the bottom, how old is that?
Well, it's a pre-Christian, so it needs to be at least, you know, at least a thousand years old, at least a thousand years old, even before that.
So 3,000, 3, 1,000 years BC or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It has to go back to our Mithraic times.
It has to be at least, you know, what are we?
2026, at least 2,000, 3,000 years old for it to make sense.
Because he already has the elements of the Mithraic religion that was in Armenia, the symbolism, the pillar, and everything else.
The interesting thing is that we found these things in Gobegli Tepe in Kortasar, which was discovered in the 1990s.
So as you can imagine, how everything was intertwined throughout thousands of years and knowledge was permeating from one generation to the other, whether we understand it or not.
Otherwise, why would we see so much commonality between all these ancient times and then not to see an effort and the connectedness and all these things?
So we have the wine that we know is from ancient Armenia, and that's now dated five, six thousand years ago, right?
Now we're getting to eras where there's no other civilization currently that's been around this long.
Tell me some of this for your fingerprints.
You know, you mentioned the Polynesians.
I mean, how far back does the Polynesian history and language go?
Well, Polynesian language is relatively newer than the Armenian language.
I can show you another PowerPoint, if you wish, that I can, this will be very relevant to our conversation.
And for example, if we like, for example, you know, this is the language tree examination that was done by Atkinson and Gray in Nature magazine more than 15, 20 years ago.
It kind of indicates basically that down here, the Armenian would be considered as old and also the oldest.
It's older than Greek.
And also the Hittite language is basically just an Armenian dialect that the historians and linguists have kind of artificially broken into another language that doesn't relate to Armenian.
And there are several books.
Hittites, sorry to interrupt you.
So Hittites look like they're going all the way back to almost 7,000 BC is when the Hittites are around.
It looks about 6,700 something right there, according to this chart.
Yeah, and Hittite.
Yeah.
And Hittite is basically another Armenian dialect.
It's all it is.
Same thing as the Sumerian.
So basically, it is the academia recently that has kind of partitioned the Armenians from other cultures and said that, well, they're different and here, there.
But more and more evidence shows that they were the same people with different dialects speaking with one another.
There are more than 100 Armenian dialects right now.
And they're very dialects that basically, even if they speak with one another, they will never understand each other and they don't even think that's Armenian, even though it's an Armenian dialect.
So imagine what was happening many thousands of years ago.
and you have these contemporary linguists trying to divide the people, the Armenians themselves, from their own dialect and making it into a different artificial culture, basically.
So that's...
Wow.
Wow.
I went so I went to what's called Western Armenia, Eastern Turkey, and I saw a lot of the Hittite ruins over there.
And this is way pre-Roman.
I mean, we're going all the way back basically almost 9,000 years ago.
If you look at the Hittite history, so why has I mean, it seems as though there's an effort until today to destroy Armenians, defame Armenians?
I mean, for people that don't know, there's been 150 years, at least that I'm aware of, since the mid-1800s, where there has been genocide massacre, genocide massacre, most recently, ethnic cleansing in Azerbaijan, stealing of Armenian territory.
I mean, why do people so badly want to destroy Armenia and the Armenian culture and erases from the planet?
Well, I mean, you have to look at the relationship within that region.
You know, you have Muslims versus Christians.
And then you have basically other cultures that want to appropriate the Armenian culture.
Even Georgia does that.
There are many Armenian churches in Georgia, and the Georgians are removing all the cross stones with Armenian inscriptions on them and then telling the world that it's a Georgian church.
So it's not even ancient, ancient things that's being destroyed.
Even contemporary Armenian Christian churches are being destroyed and others are taking over that.
So the idea is that the Armenian culture and heritage is very valuable.
It is considered to be the bedrock of human civilization.
That's why David Lang in the 1970s wrote the book called Armenia, the Cradle of Civilization.
There is a reason why he wrote that because many of the first came from Armenia.
Animal domestication, agriculture, the first rough scripts that were turned into literature and alphabet eventually, which was a bedrock for others.
And it's very difficult, again, for other newer cultures to accept that Armenia had such a big influence in the development of human civilization.
And when I say human civilization, I mean from hunter and gatherers into a structured human cultural environment.
You have systematic religion, you have animal domestication and the way you preserve the food and different food elements that comes in for you being a sedentary tribe that has been there for thousands of years for you to be able to do all this.
And so there's always this friction.
And then that's why you see Turkey and Azerbaijan, they're trying to embed themselves within that region that they were there longer than people thought.
Friction In Historical Narratives00:09:32
Well, once you repeat those things over and over again, if people are not careful, that's going to be the new fact in the future, unless we have this effort of anti-defamation where we need to kind of counteract that.
So that way it's good for the benefit of the entire human species.
Humanity needs to understand that certain cultures need to be respected and they need to give the credit when the credit is due.
And the Armenians are basically that culture that has given so much to human civilization.
It's just that the time really forgot.
And we're just trying to bring that to the forefront again.
Wow.
Well, I know we're short on time.
We said about an hour.
Is there anything we haven't talked about that you want to present, talk about, show?
I mean, the mic is yours.
Well, listen, you know, I can be here for a week and we will not even scratch the surface of all the things that I wanted to talk to you about.
But there's one thing I want to show you, at least to the audience, if I may, by sharing one more slide.
And maybe that can be the precursor of our next topic and we can go beyond that.
And so, which is this presentation slide right here.
So, this is the evolution of the Armian alphabet.
And from left to right, you can see it started from the petroglyphs.
Can you escape from the petroglyphs?
When are we talking about petroglyphs?
Now we're like 15,000 years?
Yeah, we are at 15,000 to 20, you know, 17 to 12,000 BC.
And then obviously it influences the rest as time goes by into the current method.
This also has influenced, you know, the Semitic script and all that combined.
So we're not just talking about the Indo-European, the language and structure.
We're talking about overall the alphabetic.
And there's one segment I wanted to play a video before we go.
His name was Kim Weltman.
He was a scientist and he examined all the world alphabets over the last course of 20 years.
He was a colleague of mine who passed away from COVID when COVID hit.
But he had a very special message to the world about the Armenian alphabet.
I want to play this video.
It's about two minutes.
And please pay attention to him dating the Armenian alphabet, okay?
And then just compare it to what you have been heard in your historical books.
So I'm going to go here.
Let me just share my screen and I'm going to play the video.
Hopefully you'll be you can hear it.
To the Holy Land and then becomes the basis of the Georgian language because Georgia is of course a quite recent country.
It used to be Caucasus and Albania of the Caucasus and then that was combined to create what we now think of as Georgia.
And the man that did that between the years 400 and 430 was Mashtosht, who also did the new version of the Armenian alphabet, which traces its roots back to 17,000 BC.
But as I say, we're not going into all the details this evening.
Can I repeat the number?
The Armenians, how many thousand?
17,000 BC.
17,000?
Yes.
Before we go away from that last one, could you go down to that last slide with the evolution of alphabet?
Is there a way for you to zoom in so we could see a little closer?
Is that possible?
Sure, I think so.
Okay, okay.
This is cool.
You know, I've seen this before.
Wow.
So, I mean, you have it pretty much, I mean, you have it being pretty much the bedrock of most languages.
Of course.
Wow.
And see, notice how they say Mesrobian 404 AD.
That's the myth that's told to Armenians, which is the third column from the right.
But we're going way back.
I mean, what you showed was pre-Christ.
Well, yeah.
Here, let me show you one thing.
Can you see my cursor?
Yeah.
Okay, you see this right here?
Yep, that's the I letter.
Yeah, that's the Armenian, the first letter of the Armenian alpha.
This goes back to 5,000 BC.
How can this be 5000 BC and the Master of Mashtos created this?
Wow.
It could have been that, like, we were somewhere in there.
There was wars to destroy.
We were left mostly languageless.
And then he brought it back, perhaps.
I mean, that could be the truth, but he certainly didn't create it because we saw it precedes that.
Well, look at all the evidence that we have.
I mean, obviously, the script starts at the petroglyphs and the scripts, and then it affects everything else, like with anything else.
Here, let me show you one other slide.
Now, this was done by Hamlet Martyosian.
He's an armenologist and a physicist.
And he shows all the petroglyphs that we have.
Uhtasaj is in Armenia.
And Jekyptos is Egypt.
So this row right here, this column, is all Armenian symbols.
And then here are Egyptian.
And then Armenian and Egyptian.
Wow.
So Armenia influenced what we know as ancient Egypt.
That's right.
Wow.
Yeah, so our Haikaisian, it was called Hyksos, but it's actually Haikazun.
So Haikazun tribes ventured down to Egypt in three waves throughout four or five thousand years, and that's how they influence Egypt.
Wow.
Wow.
So amazing.
Wow, wow.
Vahan, this has been such a great pleasure, man.
We're going to have you back on.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Anytime.
Anytime.
This for the next week, but we're going to have multiple parts to Vahan telling us, you know, this ancient knowledge and really digging into what really happened in world history.
I think a lot of Americans are realizing that, and a lot of people around the world are realizing that the history they teach us is not quite accurate.
And they show how consequential the Armenian people have been, but it makes it makes sense.
You know, it makes a lot of sense because, you know, that thing happened with Dr. Roz.
I mean, I hate to mention this in closing where all of a sudden, you know, the Armenians are being defamed again, you know, around the time where we see these horrible Epstein files come out, which seems like more important than a small group of Armenians allegedly doing medical fraud.
Yeah, it's very unfortunate.
I mean, you can understand the political game there.
And obviously, you know, the majority of the Armenian people have contributed so much to California's economy.
You know, those allegations of fraud already has been removed many years ago.
Even Governor Newsom came out, already said that, you know, the hospice situation was already resolved.
We have put the moratoriums on there and so forth.
So it's more of a political game than anything else.
And as unfortunately, the Armenian community had to be exposed to such a travesty.
And I hope that this can be mediated as soon as possible because it's not fair, even for those little guys that actually see no profit margin, but are there to at least keep a business going.
And it's going to have a lot of negative repercussions in the community to even to those old people who are actually doing good.
So most Americans, it's like you go after Somalians and then you tag Armenians onto it.
It kind of makes us seem like, you know, this bad group of people.
But, you know, again, like we've seen, we've seen bad individuals go to such extents to cover up the true history.
And it seems as though this is part of it.
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