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April 24, 2024 - Blood Money
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Intergenerational trauma is holding you back, and how to heal from it w/ Jamie Cha
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Alright, welcome to the latest episode of Blood Money.
Today we have a very special guest, Jamie Cha.
How are you doing? I'm doing good.
Thank you so much for having me today.
Yeah, thank you for coming on the Blood Money Podcast.
So Jamie, your specialty is in mental health.
You know, let's just dive right into it.
Tell us a little bit about the work that you've been doing in the mental health world, which is such an important topic right now because it seems like so many people's mental health is suffering with all the craziness happening in this world.
So tell us about what you do.
Yes, thank you.
Absolutely. I am a licensed marriage and family therapist, trauma-informed, neuropsychotherapy certified with an emphasis in child development.
And so my focus is drawing awareness to healing intergenerational traumas.
So yeah, just a little bit about intergenerational traumas, what that means essentially is that if There's experienced trauma that is not dealt with.
Maladaptive behaviors form, and then it gets passed down to the next generation, and it continues to keep passing down.
And with the maladaptive behaviors, there are consequences to that, such as addiction and other mental health problems.
And then we see a rise in learning disabilities, Things of such that causes more crime and, you know, and then we have more socioeconomic problems and just in a micro, on a micro and a macro level, it is debilitating.
And so our company ethos is mental health starts with your family, but mental care begins with you.
And the first part in healing is taking accountability.
So we can't keep blaming our past, our family, our situations, even if we were victims, right?
There's still an accountability part where we have to make the decision to say, I don't want to continue in this way anymore, or today I'm making the decision to create my new reality.
And so this concept is something that I'd really like to push forth, especially because there's so much stuff going on in the world politically, spiritually, you know, on those levels and worldwide, right? The wars and how does this affect us as Christians as well?
Interesting, interesting.
So you're saying that generational trauma, like meaning if something happens, this is a very interesting topic for me because I'm of Armenian descent, right?
And we had a genocide in our past.
And I hear this a lot from, you know, Jewish victims of, you know, genocide as well, that what's happened to your ancestors actually could affect you.
Which is something that I know a lot about, frankly, because there are certain, I guess, third rails in my life when it comes to, you know, suffering and justice.
Because of what my ancestors went through, I very much feel like it affects me until today.
In fact, I feel like what they went through somehow is embedded in my DNA, if that makes sense.
Oh, yes, absolutely.
You know, as you're speaking that, you know, we think of intergenerational and intra-generational.
And so, as like yourself, I am a second generation citizen here in the United States.
My parents were part of the Vietnam War.
They helped the United States fight against the Viet Cong and to flee persecution.
They came here to the United States.
So though I was not there like yourself, I still feel the effects of it because they're fear-driven, right?
So there are certain things that change the structure of their brain.
And so because of the DNA aspect of the intra, it does, it's like embedded in us and it carries down, research shows that thoughts carry down four generations And so if that is true and that is the case, then we are also carrying some of these fears or anxieties, depressive symptoms that are being passed down.
And again, we have different giftings in life.
And so you might be the advocate for the underdog because of the injustice that has taken place.
And so that was given to you.
Again, if that happened three generations, four generations up, you get some of those Giftings now to carry that out so that you're changing these trauma patterns, right?
You're changing and you're empowering the next generation, right?
And so I definitely agree with having those experiences, how it does affect us.
But there are those though, and I'm happy that you've taken this opportunity to actually empower yourself and to empower people.
There are some, and this is why I say mental health starts with your family, but your mental care begins with you because there is an accountability part.
We can't keep blaming that.
We can't change that.
And so therefore, today we can recreate a new reality.
And as individual beings and as what God has created us to be, He has already empowered us with the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, we have the most powerful spirit living inside of us to make those decisions.
Even when things get tough, we're comforted with the Holy Spirit.
But again, trauma does affect not only our biology, it also affects our physiological state.
Wow. So, okay, could you explain to me how, like, let's say, you know, let's start with generational trauma, right?
So, that seems to be less...
Prevalent in people's lives, and tell me if I'm wrong, because it is being passed down by generations versus somebody that's going through trauma now, like a child going through trauma now.
So let's first deal with the intergenerational trauma, right?
So, you know, somebody that's gone through, you know, like your experiences of, you know, experiencing war with your ancestors or just one generation removed and the carnage that happened there.
How is one to deal with that sort of thing in order to heal themselves?
Right. Okay.
So if I could just explain it a little bit further.
So when we talk about intergenerational traumas, right, especially like with war, my parents were running from refugee camp to refugee camp to escape the terror.
That caused fear.
And so that fear now gets passed down to me because now everything around me, you can't do this.
You can't go there. And so everything, how that trauma gets translated to me is that now I'm fear-bound because I'm looking out at my environment.
Is it safe? Is it safe to spend the night at my friend's house?
Is it safe to just go out to the park?
And so if that is not being dealt with, how can...
Then I start to develop maladaptive behaviors where I'm not fully living my life or being empowered to create this new reality because I'm fear-bounded.
And then I have a lot of anxiety because now I have trust issues or I don't know if people are going to be safe or it could be vice versa where I develop a pattern of over trusting people, people pleasing because I need to be accepted.
I need to feel safe. I need not to be in that fear place.
And so a lot of times we might think, I don't have anything, but we can see that in triggers or in our relationships and in our interpersonal skills and how we relate to other people.
So if you find that you are the common denominator in failed relationships, there's something going on.
Or if you feel like you're always being picked on or bullied, there's something going on because um those things should alert us that there's a disconnect and therefore the first part in healing that is taking accountability and looking at your life and or especially if you know and we have the the feelings of like if i'm not happy or satisfied with my life that means that something needs to change and if
i'm not changing it then i'm choosing this life and so um I hope that answers about like intergenerational or like even if you know this is a one where if I was molested and I never healed that I think it's okay to molest my children and that is a continuance of this maladaptive behavior these sequences that keep happening and so we don't know how to unsexualize our children our
parents our people and so we then It leads to, like, crime and other, like, faulty thinking, right?
So that's how intergenerational traumas, if they're not killed or if they're not dealt with, they get passed down because it's the non-normalized.
I know this is a controversial question, but, you know, there's a lot of individuals in the LGBTQ community that seems to have come from sexual abuse, you know?
And is that something that you see as prevalent there?
So, you know, unfortunately, the body responds no matter what.
So if you're a child and someone is sexually assaulting you, you consciously know that this is wrong, but your body's responding, right?
And so if the body is responding, then it causes confusion.
A person might say, well, I knew it was wrong, but my body, you know, I was activated.
Therefore, I must like that, or it must be something that I enjoy.
Again, we know that, you know, using the bathroom is a pleasure principle.
Sex is a pleasure principle.
Eating is a pleasure principle.
Certain pleasure responses that can cause confusion.
And so a person might think that they are truly attracted to the same gender based off of what was happening with their body, you know, or that it's okay to sexualize a parent or a sibling because of those sensations in the body.
I mean, is that what's going on?
Because we see this movement toward...
And by the way, a lot of my LGBTQ friends are vehemently opposed to what's going on, which is the sexualization of children, right?
But is the one to assume that there's a large portion of individuals that have been, you know, gone through trauma, like molestation and stuff, that are now pushing this agenda, which is a very illogical agenda, by the way, which, you know, just...
My point of view on the topic is once somebody's 18, they can do whatever they want.
They can get sex changes, they can do whatever they want.
As somebody that has not even hit puberty, to sexualize a child, I mean, we don't need to go deep into that topic to know that that leads to complete disaster, right?
These, you know, trans surgeries and Sweden, I think, is one of the countries which has a history of doing it.
I think Switzerland or Sweden.
And it's mostly, largely, a failure.
And they've stopped doing it.
They've stopped believing that that is a solution.
But nonetheless, in this country, there's a march towards sexualizing children.
It's one to assume that a lot of these individuals that are pushing this agenda were actually gone through trauma, gone through molestation, and now they think it's okay to make it something that's mainstream.
Right. Thank you so much.
That is a good question.
You know, if I can preface this okay in the right way.
In child development, there are different stages that a child goes through when they're identifying with themselves, their body, their own autonomy.
And when there is a disruption, there's not a clear Boundary of that.
So, for instance, the fallacy stage where you're learning how to use the bathroom and learning how to control bowel movements and stuff like that.
If there was too much pressure during that time to learn how to use the bathroom, we can develop these behaviors.
That's why they call it anal.
You're so anal, right?
Because It was so rigid and it wasn't free.
And so when a child is going through that, especially if there's intergenerational traumas, any kind of trauma that would have caused them to not identify correctly.
And I think that, again, there's this movement to just allow the child to choose whatever they want or uh to dress however they want and because they're still identifying with gender right so we're you know we're but there's i i know that there's a you know a big it's controversial when it comes to that subject but um we know that god created us male and female and so
not that there are uh Colors associated to male and female, but it's more about the energy of the male and the female.
And so if I could say it in that way, there could be a lot of confusion, especially because in our societies, we have certain roles associated to the gender.
And we know that masculine energy is more about protecting, providing And so it's more of a take charge kind of energy.
So, of course, if we go back to the hunter-gatherer days, masculine energy is about hunting.
And so there's that movement.
And so, you know, as the world is evolving, we have different subjects or objects to identify with that, you know, such as cars, dolls, right?
Playing house. Things like that.
And so those are just objects.
But I think what's really important is really identifying with the energy of the gender, I guess, you know, whether it be male or female, if you're more nurturing, right?
And this is why they have, you know, babies and dolls and toys to emulate that.
It's just a way of teaching.
I know that this is a very controversial topic.
Everyone has their own choice, but I do think that because The community is, you know, it really isn't about like I'm attracted to men and I'm attracted to women or like I'm in a relationship.
You know, it's really what you're doing behind closed doors.
And so I think that that should be left at a later time, you know, as an adult, 18 and over, do whatever you want.
But I just think that pushing that on the kids now is a little confusing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Now, let's talk a little bit about actual trauma that happens now.
Like, let's say we're talking about a child that goes through trauma.
What are some of the modes where you could heal a child?
And I've heard crazy stories from lawyers, by the way, where, like, one instance of abuse dramatically affects a child.
And this could be things like getting hit, getting yelled at, but then there's a lot More substantive types of abuse, like sexual abuse.
I mean, take us through that of how that would, how would you heal one that is experiencing trauma in this lifetime?
Right. Thank you so much for asking that.
So when we experience trauma, of course, our brain is wired for survival.
So really, the amygdala, which is the threat center of the brain, it becomes activated.
And if we If we don't learn how to regulate that, it can stay either on or it turns off.
And that's either anxiety, depression.
And so there are ways, and of course, technologies, I call them because, you know, it goes beyond just the brain.
It's a whole, it encompasses like, you know, our quantum physics, our energy, our And what we're able to produce.
And so healing some of that, it's not a quick fix when it comes to healing trauma because it does take accountability.
So even for a child who has experienced trauma, I'm glad that you're speaking upon this.
I mean, if we're looking even at the foster care system, here in the United States alone, there are nearly over 430,000 children in the foster system.
And alone in California, there's over 60,000.
And of those 60,000, half of them have experienced four adverse childhood experiences, which puts them more at risk for addiction and mental health diagnoses.
And so, unfortunately for a child, it's harder for them because they're still learning how to analyze.
And they're still learning how to connect.
And so when these lower parts of the brain are affected, they don't feel safe.
And so one thing for helping a child heal is providing them with safety and feeling secure.
If I can do this at this time, this is why I've created this Mental Care Buddy.
Which is a technology to engage and stimulate the mind and the body because when we experience trauma, we can also disassociate where we no longer are feeling it because that helps us to feel normal or to feel okay.
I mean, it's almost like a concept of hugging, like getting hugged by a loved one to heal, you know, which children need.
You know, yeah. Yeah, and there are pockets.
So like again, Feeling safe enough to write in your journal, to put your feelings and your thoughts down and putting it inside here where no one can find it or to know that you can keep it hidden in here.
There are those who have lost a parent or a sibling or a friend, a family member, where they can keep one of their belongings inside here and really Connecting the mind and the body takes time,
right? So as you're holding the mental care body and as you're closing your eyes and you are imagining or you are seeing this person or a happy moment or feeling, you're actually engaging parts of the brain, such as like the hippocampus, the thalamus, And the body to ground yourself to feeling safe and comforted, especially when you're dealing with grief or anything traumatic.
Again, or just feeling safe enough to share something with a, you know, an object.
Not everyone can afford a pet or to, you know, to keep one around.
And so this is like an easy way to do that.
But As you were saying, what can't some people do?
Grounding techniques, meditation, breathing skills, seeking safety, which all helps to promote healing in the brain, which then in turn heals the body.
I know we're almost up to time.
Don't worry about the time though.
That was just arbitrary.
We'll go as long as we need to.
There are new studies out with even using psychedelics for trauma.
Again, when the amygdala is so activated, you know, we're just looking for ways to shut it off.
And so this is why addiction is so prevalent, because it's a way to temporarily shut the amygdala off from being so activated and screaming at you the whole time.
And so, you know, with psychedelics, it does touch Upon the pineal gland, which is in the thalamus, which has to do with our senses, right?
Again, with our body, right?
Extrasensory stuff. People engaging in ayahuasca and other substances to help to enforce that feeling.
And really, it is about the awareness, right?
So although the side effects is psychosis, You know, you're really coming out of this body.
And again, this is why I call it a technology because when you're having a metaphysical experience or a quantum experience because we're energetic beings, We know that there's something going on.
And so there's some truth to that.
But there are technology in Christianity that were given to us.
One, it says to meditate on the word, right?
Even if we took a scripture and we...
We meditated on it.
We sat there with it and we repeated it to ourselves.
There's a calming effect to that because we're reminding, right?
It's almost like, but again, this takes time.
It's not a quick fix.
And so as you continue to build that, you're starting to heal parts of the brain where there was atrophy.
The other thing is, and those Christians who do believe in praying in tongues or in their heavenly language, and there's Studies shown on that, you know, where when you are praying in tongues, it does activate parts of the brain.
You don't need to be present, but all you have to do is open up your mouth and allow the Holy Spirit to just take over your tongue.
That also is a technology.
Because it is activating parts of the brain like the insula where you're feeling the pineal gland, the thalamus, because it's opening you up to something greater.
Or just even meditation, right?
There's a meditation on the name of God.
Again, I know that in some religious practices, they do that.
And again, as you and I are speaking, our vocal cords are having to snap together and vibrate that you can hear my voice.
And so there's, again, quantum physically something happening when we are even meditating or speaking the name of God, and we're allowing that to change our vibrational frequency.
There's other things such as listening to, you know, binaural beats, frequency hertz to change that.
Studies done on that.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Gregorian, you know, tones.
Actually, do tell a little bit more about that, please.
So there are different frequency hertz, such as 174, 432, 528, 963, 714.
So when music or tones are tuned to that frequency hertz, it actually vibrates a certain vibration, which then connects to the body.
And it actually does some like healing to the body.
So almost like this is where, you know, you get some of the other holistic approaches to healing, such as sound baths or energy healing, things of that nature.
So when you're listening to that, it does tune the atmosphere.
I don't know if you've ever like listened to certain genres of music where You needed to get pumped so you listened to music that was uplifting and you were all pumped or like if you listen to a sad song and how it does affect our moods and it does resonate with the brain.
You know what's interesting is I've heard that the frequency for the music we listen to was changed by the Pentagon I believe in the 1930s-40s.
So is that really to take us away from healing frequencies and then bring us into darker frequencies?
You know, so for myself personally, I absolutely think that you're onto something.
Because, again, when we think about media, mass media, we think about subliminal messages, when we think about mind control.
When we think about how things are changing and then we have a government over us, there is some aspect of truth to what you're saying, in my opinion.
That has been changed.
Music has changed.
Even... Another thing I've heard, by the way, this is recently I heard about this, that...
So we're talking about the bells at churches, right?
And apparently, after World War II, there used to be, you know, the bell goes off every hour.
It's this womb sound.
And apparently... That's a healing frequency, right?
And this actually came up during a podcast where we're talking about these little towns in southern Italy where I visited there, and you have these 90-year-old grandmas smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, but they're healthier, healthier,
than most people that are in their 90s here and they're smoking a pack of cigarettes a day and we started dissecting why is that and there's these church bells in those towns while many of them were removed across the world these towns still exist with their church bells when it strikes noon it goes into a little bit more of a complex series of sounds and apparently this is supposed to be healing for people but it was nonetheless removed just like our frequencies were changed Again, it gets us into some theories.
I don't want to call it conspiracy theory, because at this point it sounds more like conspiracy truths, but tell me about that thought.
So, very interesting, yes, and I think that's why, you know, he was a scientist.
He actually looked at, when you look at the cathedrals, and you look at the vibrations, Especially in Catholic churches and you go in and you're looking and you see the windows.
You hear the sound.
All of that has truth in healing.
So if those bells, again, sound bad.
Because we're like a field that absorbs energy.
And so when we put ourselves in environments where it's unhealthy or toxic, we start to take on that.
And so I definitely believe that for myself that there's some truth in that if we can create the atmosphere, especially with sounds such as the bells, right?
That can have an influence on our bodies.
Even us Speaking to ourselves, like healing ourselves because of the way we were created, you know, a lot of times we don't like ourselves.
So like even hearing our own voices, we don't like it.
But if you can start to love yourself and enjoy yourself, Your presence and enjoy your being and like everything about yourself.
There's a healing aspect to that as well.
So I know that we kind of veered off of just the sound, but because we're talking about frequency, we're talking about just noise or vibrations, that all does affect our well-being.
Wow, wow. Because I think Dr.
Emoto, it's big.
It's all over. You can research it.
He did an experiment where he was talking to the water.
And if he spoke negatively to the water, it didn't produce the crystals.
you know, and if he spoke love if he spoke peace if he spoke certain things it created different like frost cycles crystals and and they were pretty and they were illuminating And so and the same thing is with the brain You know when we when we're depressed the brain doesn't activate as much but when we're happier We're speaking positively. We're firing and wiring new neurons because we're we're
activating our whole being.
So again, noise touches the thalamus.
We could hear it. It sends signals all throughout the brain.
And then it sends, you know, the...
Chemicals to our body, right?
Oxytocin, the feel-good chemicals, like oxytocin is built when you're hugging or you're connecting or you're bonding, you know, dopamine for the rewards, the things that you accomplish, the things that you're doing.
So all of that is really important, right?
As part of our being.
So could I give you a specific example based upon some work that we've been doing?
You know, let's say like, you know, two children were kidnapped in traffic by a part of their family and they don't see, you know, the other half of their family for years and years.
And, you know, this is actually something that came up regarding a divorce topic that was one of our recent episodes, something that we've been working on.
What is, you know, Those children go through trauma.
They're displaced.
I've actually done a lot of research on the effects of kidnapping and displacement.
What is the way to heal those children after years and years of that sort of separation?
If you look at the crimes against humanity, for example, under international law, it's something that It has been signified as causing trauma in children.
What's the way to address that sort of issue?
Yes. So I think that age plays a role on how we devise treatment.
So if they were children and now they're adults, Then the very first part of that is, you know, again, if they haven't already delved into addiction and other things, a big part of that is validation and validating that what happened to them was awful.
It shouldn't have happened, right?
And taking accountability that, yes, they were a victim of a crime, but today they get to choose to change that story.
And so I think the first part is the will of a person.
And again, this is if we're talking about someone who's experienced it, they're now 18, they have to live their life, and they need to make better choices.
I think a big part of that is the human will, right?
Because we can't force them to change or we can't force them to overcome their traumas.
So if a person is willing to address it, Then the first part is the acceptance part and then providing a safe environment.
That is going to be with a lot of mind and body, feeling safe in their environment.
If they don't feel safe, they're never going to open up and they're never going to be able to express themselves.
And I think this is why prayer is, you know, a lot of people who have endured a lot of trauma, they do seek something higher than themselves.
For that safety and that comfort, right?
Wow. I mean, in your work, have you been able to help people overcome, especially children, something that should have had catastrophic effects upon those children?
So, with the child population, you know, because everything has gone to telehealth, being safe and connecting with them at their level was a way to help them It wouldn't say to overcome because I never got to see them from beginning to end as adults, but to help them cope with the intensities of what they were going through.
It was really engaging them at their level and playing, right?
And that was a way to help them to express themselves just through play and through validating and through listening and mirroring.
So that's something that I've done with children.
Now with adults who have had childhood complex trauma, I have been able to see levels of healing, especially with brain spotting.
That is a trauma modality where we're using a movement of the eyes to capture parts of the brain.
Where trauma is stored or even somatic symptoms in the body where trauma is trapped and releasing that.
And then, of course, a lot of reframing and connecting and bonding.
Connecting and bonding really helps With finding purpose again.
And so when a person can find purpose again, it really allows them to feel fulfilled and to move on from the trauma.
Of course, when we think of PTSD, and I know new research is out with that, but we think of it as something that's stored in the memory, but actually it's very much alive in my eyes, and with this new research, I definitely think that PTSD, like the trauma is still very alive and this is why we're easily triggered.
And I think that when there's healing, then the triggers now and the trauma now starts to get stored back into the memory where it's not as activating or it's not as alerting to our amygdala.
You know, I had a really interesting conversation at the event where I met you, and it was with Boone Cutler.
I think he'd be...
He was very open with me actually talking about this.
That's what I gathered. That's why I'm actually mentioning it.
So Boone Cutler and I were talking about essentially the trauma...
That leads many veterans to abuse alcohol and abuse drugs, right?
And what Boone Cutler was saying is that the current pharmaceutical industry really just, you know, Dumbs down, numbs people with these drugs.
And he had noticed how with the use of mushrooms, psychedelics, psilocybin I think it's called, he saw individuals that had alcohol dependency because of their trauma.
Literally overnight, give up alcohol.
Like they do one, you know, ayahuasca trip, one, you know, and I'm calling it trip, but you know, whatever, medical experience.
And they do, you know, one mushroom experience.
And then they come out of it not wanting to drink, feeling healed.
One question I have is...
Is that accurate, do you think?
And the second question I have is that if it's accurate, why is that helping so much that, you know, somebody takes, you know, what we're told was like psychedelics drugs or whatever, and, you know, definitely shunned by the medical industrial complex, although we've noticed now that their mode is not necessarily the proper mode.
Why is that that people are seeing that kind of dramatic change overnight off of one psychedelic experience?
Right. Thank you so much.
Again, it comes to awareness, right?
When we think about what part of the brain it really activates, it's the pineal gland, which is part of the thalamus, and that is part of our sensory, right?
That is the first part of the brain where it starts to send signals all over the body.
If, again, because the thalamus is responsible for sending a signal to the amygdala, which is the threat center, right?
And if you've experienced that much trauma and your threat center is activated all the time, there needs to be a way to calm it down.
So with drinking or any type of addiction, it numbs it for a moment.
With these psychedelics or with these mushrooms or any of these other experiences, it allows you to have another kind of experience, which then you start to have...
Again, this is where I tap into spirituality and bonding and purpose.
Because when there's that much trauma, we lose connection to ourselves, other people.
Our analytical skills are...
You know, taken back.
Our prefrontal cortex, our learning, our being able to connect with other people, it's, you know, diminished.
And so when a person does do this, it kind of like awakens them because now you're having...
Again, when we talk about the mind and the body, when we have so much trauma, we disassociate or we come out of our own experience.
And so that taps us back in and it allows...
There to be a place to make a decision that I don't want to be this way or I get to change.
However, you can do that, but to maintain it is something different.
So you can have that one-time experience going down to South America, having your ayahuasca experience, or here, just having an ayahuasca experience or any kind of experience.
But then what do you do thereafter?
Because the thoughts will still come back up.
Because thoughts are fluid.
Or if it's trapped in the body and you're feeling this constant ache or pain that keeps drawing your attention, it's going to be, yes, that does temporarily help get you out, but it's going to be, what do you do to maintain it?
And so that's why I brought up meditating on the Word of God or praying in the Spirit.
It's like working out your muscles, like your biceps.
You know, you just pick up weights and you're doing 10 pounds and all of a sudden you're like, well, it doesn't work anymore.
Is that an ongoing thing?
Because working out is all about maintenance.
You know, you got to do it at least three, four times a week.
So this is an ongoing thing that you're doing.
Well, it has to be because then the brain will atrophy or you'll go backwards.
And I love how, you know, all the miracles that Jesus performed, right?
Whether they were sinning or not, he would say, take up your bed or go and sin no more.
It's like, why would he say that?
Because there needs to be a change in your mental.
So yes, you're changing and you're enlarging or you're healing certain parts of the brain, but you're still having to maintain it.
So I definitely think, you know, as a, As a, you know, a method or a tool to combat, you know, just that initial feeling.
Because if you've ever endured trauma or anything like that, or if the voices are too loud in your head, you just want it to stop.
You know, and so if this is a way to just stop it, to calm it, and this is why I think, you know, with mood medications, it's to stop it, but then you're not, if you're not doing anything to really get to the root of it, you know, you're just masking, right? And you're going to continue to need it, right?
And then you're going to get accustomed to it, right?
Your body gets used to it, then you're going to have to up your doses, and then you just, you're not really living.
You're not living, yeah. You're co-existing.
You're just existing. Yeah.
Yeah. Wow, wow.
This is really interesting.
You know, Jamie, I'd love to have you back on a future episode to go over some very specific stories with individuals that are victims.
That would be actually, I think, really enlightening for some of these individuals.
And unfortunately, we interview a lot of people that are traumatized by various different things.
Very fascinating. Let me ask you, is there anything that we haven't discussed that you'd want to mention in closing?
Links to your work and anything else that might come to mind?
Yes. So again, this is the Mental Care Buddy.
So you can go to www.mentalcarebuddy.com.
It's not just a technology and a coping tool, but it's really a movement of healing.
And so I just want to remind everyone that this is a movement for healing and mental health starts with your family, but mental care begins with you.
And you get the chance to choose today, even if it's hard.
You get to choose. And the first thing that needs to happen is you making that decision to change.
And so that's what I would like to leave you guys with.
Thank you so much for having me today.
It was really nice to be on the podcast.
Thank you, Jamie. Thank you.
And for the viewers out there, thank you for joining us for this episode of Blood Money.
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