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April 22, 2024 - Blood Money
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Jovan, The Most Credible Voice in Election Integrity, w/ Jovan Hutton Pulitzer (Episode 230)
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All right, welcome to the latest episode of Blood Money.
Today we have a very special guest, Jovan Hutton Pulitzer, who I've been wanting to get on the show to talk about the election integrity issues.
First, Jovan, you know, how are you doing?
How's your day going today? I'm doing well, thank you so very much.
It's really awesome to have you on the Blood Money Podcast because I've been hearing a lot about you, especially when people talk about the election integrity issues.
I actually saw you in Las Vegas about a couple of years ago, and a lot of what you were saying was making a lot of sense.
But since then, I've heard a lot of different theories on election integrity, what's really going on out there.
And I wanted to get you on the show because you've actually published a lot of material on the topic.
You seem to have a history that would indicate you to be a true, knowledgeable expert on the topic.
So first, let's talk about some of your work.
And really, tell us what you've been up to.
Tell us how you've been approaching this topic and what you have deciphered.
Well, what I found getting into this, I only popped my head up in 2020 when I obviously saw something was wrong and then felt I could identify what was wrong and what had happened.
It's a very simple process.
If 2020 was supposedly the most significant election using mail-in ballots in the United States and they thought that 90% of all the votes were going to come from mail-in ballots, when you started seeing some of these questions come out and or people saying, we got to recount I started noticing all the television was showing stacks of pristine paper.
And it's a very simple fact of physics that a mail-in ballot basically has a definition.
It's a ballot that has been mechanically folded and mailed through the mailing process.
And I wasn't seeing any papers with folds.
And so I decided to basically take Part of my research and work that I'd been doing in the medical field, which was using cameras for advanced medical diagnostics, I said I can repurpose forensic medicine for forensic looking at the paper and we could decide if it was truly a mail-in ballot or not.
It was that simple. This either is or it isn't a mail-in ballot.
My work has nothing to do with who the person voted for.
It just has to do with where the rules followed and Wow, wow.
Okay, so, I mean, take us, you know, down that line of thought, please.
Like, take us what you mean by that exactly.
Well, you learn very quickly.
The number one failure any of us make trying to figure out what happened in elections or trying to get transparency in elections is everything is about words.
It's like, you know, we got to have fair elections, but the left says, well, that's not fair if it's something they don't like.
So it's not about fair elections.
It's about elections that are factual.
You learn some horrid things.
You learn that if your bank account or your checking account is overdrawn by a dime, they're going to ding you a $25 overdraft fee.
However, if elections are over and under by 1% or 2%, well, it's not any big deal.
That just happens.
So how can elections not being held to the same standard as even our financial transactions in this world?
And then you find out as you get into it, You just want to do the right thing for your country.
You just want to find out what happened.
And so let's say if you and I were in a state and we had a candidate that we supported and our candidate lost supposedly according to the news by a hundred thousand votes.
But you and I felt something was off, and you and I went and researched, and we found 90,000 votes that were cast by illegal aliens, dead voters, or phantom voters that never existed.
And we go into the Attorney General's office and say, look at all this fraud.
Well, we as humans expect them to go, oh my God, Alexis has to be right.
Let's dig into this fraud.
Well, that's not how it works.
A good example is you heard Attorney General Barr said, We looked into the election and we basically came to the conclusion that there was not enough fraud to make a material difference in the outcome of the election.
Now here's what that means in political speak.
I just gave you an example that you and I find 90,000 fraudulent votes.
But I told you at the beginning that our guy lost by 100,000, supposedly.
Well, the way the system and the laws are written, it's incumbent upon you and me, the individuals, not tied to the system, to be able to find enough To make a material difference in the outcome of the election.
That means we've got to find north of 100,000.
So let's say we find 105,000 and then we go in.
Well, the first thing they're going to do is to try to eliminate at least 5,000 or more of those to get it back under the threshold because they don't want to have to deal with it.
So when you hear those political words like, it wasn't enough to make a material difference in the outcome of the election, that's how the game's played.
And so we have to quit judging these people By the standards we have for ourselves, because they don't have those standards.
And that's why they say, well, there wasn't, and all newscasters say is widespread fraud.
It's just rigged from top to bottom, designed for them to play political games and keep us in perpetual servitude.
Wow, wow. All right. So let's use that 90,000 example, right?
So, I mean, firstly, it's insane.
It's absolutely insane that the onus is on us, like the citizens.
You know, most of us are so busy with our lives trying to meet that threshold.
I mean, it's almost like the impossible has been put forth because they don't want us to delve into it, basically, is what you're saying.
Correct. All right. So, okay.
Now, In that, most of this fraud is happening through the insertion of individuals that don't exist within the voter rolls.
That's where the crux of the issue is.
Well, first, let's deal with a few things.
Most people have heard on television or heard from other people Fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud.
They saw things like the little ticker tape that came across TV and the vote change on the screen and people yelled, that's fraud.
You've seen them, added votes or takeaway votes.
Again, going to words matter.
Number one, that ticker on the screen has nothing to do with the legitimate 100% canvas certified vote.
It's only an estimator.
It has never been a direct connect of real numbers.
So the first thing you need to understand is if you see it on TV, even if they add or subtract, it doesn't matter.
It makes no bearing because it's not what's used to certify the election.
That's the first part. Secondly, in election law, remember we have 50 state elections versus a federalized election.
That the only people in a state that can make the determinant of fraud is the Secretary of State, the Attorney General, and the Governor of the state.
They have to be able to declare it.
Otherwise, you have to go to court and the court must prove fraud in order for it to be determined fraud.
And so these people screaming fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud is actually a way of misleading people because it's technically not fraud until it's proven.
And so you get kind of caught in traps with the legal system and you get caught in traps with the wording they've set to set all of this up.
And so, yes, they're not required to help us to find illegal votes or bad votes or whatever the case may be.
We have to find them on our own.
Now, where do I believe the biggest bulk of these are?
They're in the mail-in ballots.
They're in the voter rolls.
The only way we're going to truly stop the padding in the systems would be, if I could wave my magic wand, I would get rid of parties today.
And I would get rid of voter registration today.
I would dump all of the voter rolls.
And basically, we would have a national holiday, which is voting day.
You're off work. You walk in.
You come in with qualified photographic ID and you verify you're a citizen.
We go to those steps. And then you're allowed to vote on that day.
That's how it should be.
But until we get to a system that can be that pure and that simple, we're never going to outrun it because they have been adding illegitimate, completely phantom voters for decades, including leaving dead voters on, including when most women get married and they change their name.
If most women went back right now where they move counties or move states because they got married, Good chances are your old name in your old county is still voting, even though it's not you.
That's how bad the system is. Wow, wow, wow.
See, I've heard this before.
Actually, there was an election fraud who I call an expert.
And mind you, Joe Man, this is, you know, after doing a lot of interviews with a lot of different people, we hear all kinds of theories.
The one that made most sense to me was a lady from, that ran for office in the 90s, right?
Which she discovered in the 90s through this postcard mechanism, which is essentially that she would take these voter rolls and she would take a sample size, right?
And then she would essentially send a postcard to, let's say, 5% of the voters within a district.
And what would happen is that a lot of these would be returned to sender, which would be her first indication that those individuals don't live there.
And then I found out, I said, okay, that's awesome.
And I started recommending...
That people that are running for office, when they get the voter rolls, they do this, right?
Because I thought, foolishly, by the way, that, you know, hey, if you send a 5% sample size and 1% comes back, which is a huge number across the whole thing, right?
That would indicate that, you know, I'm a little slow this morning, but, you know, you're talking about times 20.
So you're talking about 20%, right?
If 1% of 5% is bad, right?
And so that's a huge number.
Did I get that right? Is that 20 or is that 10?
Whatever it is, it's a huge number.
Now, then I would think that, you know, you go with those postcards, you dump it on the desk of a judge, and now, like, you know, they unleash the hounds.
But that's not what happens.
No. No.
Well, I'll give you an example.
Let's use Maricopa County, Arizona, where I did the full forensic audit.
In Maricopa County, When they mail out a ballot, it's basically a mail-in voting county, 70 plus percent, 76 percent vote by mail.
They've been doing it for over a decade.
Maricopa's process is the following.
They mail out a ballot, and then if that ballot comes back, No such person, no such address, no such number, deceased, move left, no forwarding address.
When it comes back into the system, it basically says, hey, there's not a voter on the end of this mail-in ballot.
The way the county corrects it...
Is the county then print a postcard saying, hey, we got your mail-in ballot back.
Is this correct?
And they send it back out to the same exact address.
Wow. Wow. Okay.
Now, if that person doesn't respond, they'll let it wait till the next election.
Okay. And then if it happens a second time, then they'll basically set it aside, but keep it on the books for 12 years.
Now, this is a very maniacal way to harvest illegal votes of legal ballots.
And I'll give you an example. In Maricopa County in 2020, all the elections have to report how many returned, undelivable mail packets they send.
For some reason, Maricopa kept not returning those numbers and telling us what they were.
So we eventually got a number from the Election Assistance Commission About a month, you know, 16 months later, a month before the final final of all the reports are coming out, Maricopa basically said, we got about, and I'm paraphrasing, 56,000 undeliverable ballot packets returned.
And so we're asking forensically, okay, you're supposed to keep these by law.
Where are they? They told us that they had turned them back over to run back the Well, according to federal law, U.S. 42-1973, U.S. 52-20-701, you're supposed to keep this stuff for 24 months.
They didn't. Now, what's really vexing about that is they reported about 56,000 of these ballot packets from Maricopa County alone came back.
However, the Election Assistance Commission, which gets the accurate numbers from the United States Postal Service, the United States Postal Service reported 110,000 of those ballot packets came back.
So here's kind of how the racket works.
If you can get those back, because they all come back to one location, If you can get a hold of those envelopes, it's an operation called ballot cracking.
You now have what's called a packet, a ballot packet.
That means the mailing envelope inside is a small instruction sheet, a ballot, and a return secure envelope.
The most priceless part of it is not the ballot, but the security envelope inside.
So they crack open the ballot.
They take out the secure envelope.
They take out the ballot. They vote it any way they want.
They scribble on it, put it back in the security envelope.
That's what ballot mules are taking back to the drop boxes so it doesn't go back to the Postal Service.
And 100% of those 110,000 ballot packets that came back that they said they don't know where they went, they got destroyed, probably got recycled through the system.
Therefore, that is an illegal vote Of an absolutely legal ballot.
Wow, wow. And so that's where essentially the fraud happens, is these fake individuals.
That technically would be fraud.
That would be mail fraud.
And that would be two forms of fraud.
First off, there's voter fraud.
Now, if you were to look up online right now, like the Brennan Center or whatever, they said voter fraud happens, but it's very small.
Well, here's how that racket works.
Maricopa County, 2.5 million voters.
Invariably, Brnovich, the AG, will find one person that voted dead mama's ballot.
Yeah. We don't know how they find them, but they do find them.
Ah, yeah, she voted dead mama's ballot.
They will find that person, they will prosecute them, they'll get a plea deal, and they can say, hey, yeah, look, we found voter fraud.
And it's not really a problem, because we have 2.5 million voters, and there was only one person that did that.
Well, that's all smoke and mirrors.
See, the other side of the equation is, is something they don't want to talk about, and that's election fraud.
See, voter fraud is an individual committing a fraudulent act.
Election fraud is federal racketeering.
So when you understand they keep bad lists, they over-inflate them, which takes people, time, and resources.
All of those envelopes get printed, go out to the system.
All of them come back to a central location.
Somebody hijacks them, distributes them.
Somebody manages getting them open, getting them voted, and cycling them back to the system.
That's election fraud, and that is federal racketeering.
That's what they're hiding. Wow, wow.
All right, so... Before we dive into that, I want to create a distinction because there's a lot of individuals out there that claim to be election integrity experts, voter fraud experts, election fraud experts, right?
I want to create a distinction on your approach, your history, For the viewers out there, and imagine this is something that, you know, we'll cut up and we're going to be like, you know, Jovan Hutton-Palitzer is spot on.
And this is the quote that we're going to use.
What would that quote be in terms of how you represent to people what you do that is different than what is being done out there with some of these other so-called experts?
Well, you know, a cottage industry...
Boomed up when all of a sudden we had to look at elections in 2020.
Nobody had ever done it before.
The closest that ever came to what we did in 2020 with Maricopa was the Broward County hanging Chad fiasco of Bush versus Gore, but that was only 100,000 plus ballots.
But that was basically kinematically determined.
It was physical movement of the paper in relation to the physics of the paper getting bent.
Now, most people right now, you get a lot of people crisscrossing the country that are supposed election experts or election integrity experts or etc.
And none of them have, number one, none of them have ever done an audit, much less a forensic audit.
Now, when all of this happened in 2020, There was nobody, and there still is nobody in the United States that's an officially sanctioned election auditor.
We don't have it and we've never had it.
So even when the media was saying they're auditing but they're not official auditors, which is not true.
Now if we were just going to talk about experience, I am the only person in American history of American voting that has physically looked at in excess of 2 million ballots and 189 million ovals in one general election cycle for a specific election.
I'm the only person that has ever done a forensic investigation Examination of physical ballots ever in the history of the United States for the totality of an election.
Now, the scope is what's really important here.
Maricopa County is the fourth largest county in the United States of America, but it represents the second largest voting bloc of people that vote in the United States of America.
And so yes, a lot of people are claiming credentials, claiming that they're election integrity experts.
I just happen to be a fellow with a Wildly recognized technology and patented background.
And by the way, one of my largest portfolios, 207 patents, has to do with how paper interacts with machines under the auspice of scanning that has literally jumped in to do this forensic work.
So is anybody really an election integrity expert?
I don't think so because they change it nonstop.
Is there any one way you can still election?
No, we've identified more than 200.
But yes, so there are a lot of people that have now found that this is a cottage industry and want to be in it and want to do it.
Yes, I don't want to do it.
I have to do it.
I basically saw with my technology eyes what was happening.
And I stepped up to serve my country to develop something that could identify it.
But it was not to go into the auditing business or get into the auditing business or to try to criss-cost the country, which I do not do, try to criss-cost the country and thump my chest and say I'm an election expert.
That's not what it's about. I approach this as we're at war and we're going to lose our country.
And if we don't treat this as war, trying to ferret out the enemy, we're going to lose our country.
So as far as a business, it's the stupidest business in the world to get in because nobody wins.
Nobody wins. And it's a money-losing endeavor.
I took a $210,000 contract.
To get to the bottom of certain things, but I spent over $2 million trying to do it.
Wow, wow. Okay, okay.
So in this kind of arena of competing ideas, right?
Now, I was talking to a gentleman that showed me like literally piles of patents that you have, showed me a pretty large book that you've written on the topic.
Could you talk a little bit about your specific patents, your book, and tell us a little bit more about Well, there's several different things.
I have patents in all 190 countries.
A typical inventor will do maybe two or three or four patents in their lifetime if they're a pretty good inventor or, you know, of consequence.
I'll average sometimes 100 a year.
I've got patents in many, many different categories.
You use many of the spinoffs of my patents and forward thinking of my patents every day, just never realize it's me.
The book you're probably talking about is what's called the Kinematic Artifact Detection Scientific Reader, which if it was a big, hardbound, black, eight-and-a-half-by-eleven book that we published.
Anytime you tackle new science, there never was a science That existed when it came to investigating the physical properties and the physical evidence related to elections.
And so when I realized, as I told you earlier, that they keep on saying these are mail-in ballots, but there's no folds.
Well, there is a branch of physics that And mathematics combined based on movement, which is called kinematics.
Kinematics is the science of how does movement affect something.
So if you were to look at a ballot as a piece of paper, as it moves through the system, then you have to be understand, okay, what process did this go through?
Well, if we're looking at paper being turned into a ballot, We have a printing process.
If it's going to be a mail-in ballot, we have a mechanical folding process.
If it's going to be mailed to mail, it's going to be blown into an envelope.
That's another mechanical process.
It's going to run through all the rollers of the Postal Service, and it's going to be taken out of the envelope.
You're going to look at it.
You're going to fill it in, which means you're going to put a human dynamic to it, meaning your own Mark with your pen.
You're going to fold it back.
After you've unfolded, you're going to put it back in an envelope.
It's either going to go to Dropbox or come back to the mail system.
It's got to be opened up again.
Then it's got to be opened flat again.
Then it's got to be looked at. Then it's got to be put into a scanner.
Then it's got to be put in a tally.
Well, all of those are touch points of where a physical object moves.
Sorry, quick question.
Sorry to interrupt you. So you're telling me like all those things when you're saying there's 200 some ways of actually getting bad votes, fraud, whatever we call it.
So every touch point you just said is a potential for fraud.
Right. And I was only describing one of the 200 there.
So the one book you're talking about, I don't know which one you're talking about, either my Countdown to Chaos or my scientific reader, I'm assuming because it's a scientific reader.
So when I decided, hey, I can see this, and I can find a way to scientifically detect the movement of the ballot.
Remember, in forensics, we can put somebody in prison with a partial thumbprint or a little bit of DNA or a Shoe print or a hair.
So I had to create a forensic investigation process for this.
And so what that one book is, is anytime you introduce something that may become a new science...
You basically have to prepare what's called a scientific reader for the scientific community.
This has nothing to do with your findings at all.
This just means here are all the disciplines that we used, and in this case it was computer vision, machine learning, Artificial intelligence, chromatography, macroscopy, all this different stuff that are established scientific disciplines.
We took independent scientific disciplines and we pushed them into a formula to use the best of all these things to create a new discipline, which we dubbed kinematic artifact detection.
Why? Kinematic means movement.
And can we detect, can we detect basic, the movement, the fibers, the look, the colors, lamosity, many different things of the ballot.
Can we detect where it's been or what it's been subject to?
And we're looking for the artifacts, meaning the leftover things that can be not seen by the eye, but we can find them to detect what happened.
So we dubbed this new science kinematic artifact detection.
And anytime you do that, you have to publish a scientific reader.
You publish the scientific reader for the scientific community.
So you say, here are the standards we applied.
Here is how they've been used before.
Here is how we combined them and used them.
And here is why.
That way... If you do it right, the scientific community should always be able to reproduce your work by following that standard.
And if you hope to set a standard and do something right that can be used going forward, you have to publish the scientific reader, and that's what we did.
Wow, wow. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about, and I'm not asking you necessarily to talk badly about others.
You don't have to name names, but what are some of the flawed things that you've heard that your background, I mean, it sounds like you're putting these paradigms together via the science of it all to have something that's repeatable and is credible.
Now, what are some of the flawed ways you've heard about without naming names necessarily?
The easiest way to understand what you should do.
When President Trump came into office as he's going through his presidency, my particular discipline at that time was the nano-analytics, the nanomolecular science of detecting health.
And you have to understand this to understand where I'm headed.
A woman will typically, when she palpitates her breast and finds that little pea-sized Ball in there.
She realized, oh my God, I've got to go get a mammogram.
If she puts it off, it keeps getting bigger.
It gets worse. Well, Did that cancer become cancer only when it got to a pea size?
No. It became cancer the moment the one singular cell split and mutated.
Now that's the nano part of the science.
So all my work previous to that of what I was focused on is the nanomolecular science of identifying disease states that are unseen or undetectable.
By current medicine, by your eyes, or by current testing.
Since I was working in that space, then I understood, oh, I can tell what happened to these papers.
Now, we set my standard aside.
Other people that have come into this have come at it saying, well, I'm an election expert because I ran for office once.
Or I'm an election expert because I worked on somebody's campaign.
Or I'm an election expert because I looked at this spreadsheet of data that was public data from an election and I think it looks really odd.
And those things they have ridden to, that makes them an election expert.
Now, I don't think if you were to just take public data of elections and look at it, and you try to analyze the numbers, I don't think it would make you an election expert.
It would make you somebody who has a good grasp of what has historically happened in election, and that's very valid.
But does it make you an expert on how elections are run?
And the differentiation I make is you may know a lot about elections.
You may know a lot about election laws.
Hell, you may be even a lawyer.
But does that make you an expert about what has happened in an election?
And that's really kind of what...
Everybody's trying to bring to bear.
Now, my experience at it only came from intense research, thousands of hours of scientific and forensic research, and literally almost four petabytes of Of forensic data to go through.
That's what gave me my education in it.
But it's not just looking at the paper.
It's looking at the laws, the compliance issues, the formatics.
How does it handle? How do the people interact with it?
So I personally don't believe just because You may have attended a conference and you spoke on, hey, here's what I saw.
Or if you're just somebody who regurgitates all of the viral videos of, oh, we saw them swapping ballots or we saw trucks dropping stuff off.
We saw people rerunning ballots.
I don't think that's what makes somebody an election expert or somebody even an election auditor.
I think you only gain that by doing it.
But many people have come to the forefront That are now so-called election experts.
But I'll give you a prime example of what happens with this.
And it's really the conservative party's own doing.
If you were opposing counsel, and I had said, here's what I thought happened in the election, and I was on the witness stand, you would be able to cross-examine me on, well, why do you think this is real?
Now, my answer to you On that scenario would be, well, here's why.
Number one, all of the machines work off of this.
They're subject to my patents.
I'm actually the patent holder, 207 patents, and I innovated this area of machine-readable codes for databases, and here's what you do.
So number one, it's operating off a tremendous amount of my patents.
Number two, I have already done in my life of machine-readable codes, scan to tally, scan to collect, scan to database, billions and billions and billions of transactions.
So I'd be able to put that over here, and you can verify that it's one of the most successful licensed portfolios in the world when it comes to what are we dealing with?
Papers, scans, and codes.
Then I'd go to the other side, and I'd also do this in the medical community with cameras and forensics and stuff, and I'd talk about billions of transactions.
My work with the You know, whether it be the FDA or whatever the case may be.
Now, set that in one bin.
See, because as an expert, you always have to think forward to when you're sitting on the witness stand.
Now, I talked about it in my program.
You know, I do my program called Cut the Crap every day at 7 a.m.
and 7 p.m. And I talk about these things.
And one of the things I actually talked about in the broadcast I did today is you had some people in Arizona do absolutely fine work.
And discovered many interesting things.
But you have to understand, you have to approach this as if you're fighting a war.
In that particular subset of people that called themselves investigators, number one, they'd never done any investigations of any kind.
They didn't have a professional background or experience in it.
And so when that came to court...
And they were going to present their evidence.
The judge wouldn't let the evidence be presented.
Now here's why. Was it that the evidence was flawed?
No. Was it that the evidence wasn't good evidence?
No. It had nothing to do that.
It had to do with the fact that opposing counsel said, Your Honor, this is their expert.
And an expert witness is supposed to be able to have a background that can validate this.
And the example I use today, so you'll get how this works.
Imagine we found somebody that worked at Taco Bell.
No offense to anybody that works at Taco Bell.
They got really passionate about elections, they dug in, they found things, they started a little Facebook group, then they started a community group, then they raised a lot of money and they got things done.
And let's say that person did lead a charge.
Well, when it gets to the end of the fruition where you got to get to court, and now that person sitting there, technically what you have is a person whose background was a worker at Taco Bell.
And so the opposing counsel can say, Your Honor, they're putting this person forth as an expert witness.
This person has no background to be an expert witness.
And so then the judge has to make a determinant.
Can this person speak expertly on the topic they're about to cover?
And are they doing it from a professional basis that they are an expert?
Well, the judge has to look at it and go, Well, actually, you know, you just worked at Taco Bell.
Now you may have put in a lot of time and you may have put in a lot of effort, but then the judge has to make a judgment call that, so you understand at that point you may have great work, but you don't have the professional background to back it up.
Therefore it is considered opinion, not expert testimony, because see you don't have the basis to make expert testimony.
And when you lift it on expert testimony, then it just becomes opinion.
Then the judge makes a ruling, well I'm sorry I can't have you testify, because you don't qualify as an expert.
And many of these cases have been kicked to the curb for that reason, because of these crop of people that, oh I'm now an election integrity expert, or I now have a podcast, or I now talk on it.
And there's a whole set of rules when it comes to if you're prosecuting something, trying to get a conviction and trying to deal with it.
And this is one of the many ways we've hurt ourselves.
God bless everybody who's done anything to try to fight this fight for great election integrity.
God bless them for doing it.
It's the worst business in the world.
It's icky, it's scummy, it's horrible.
You never win. As you please one half, you're pissing off the other half, and then you've got to deal with all the conspiracies with it.
But that's the difference between a professional expert witness and what's going on.
You've got to be able to have the background To be able to say, in my professional opinion, here is what happened, here is the end result.
It has to be able to stick.
And in many ways, these so-called experts have heard us, and you've seen it in many of these cases.
They get kicked to the curb.
People don't listen. So how would you, you made some really great points there in terms, because people think, oh, the judges are corrupt.
That's why none of these cases are sticking.
How would you approach this via the court of law if you were brought in as an expert, having to do a comprehensive expert testimony on what is really going on?
Well, I'll give you the things where we've lost in this fight.
We've lost in this fight by saying that the machines changed the vote.
And I tell people this all the time, but it's very hard for some people to get past it because you've heard very great people say, the machines changed the vote, let's burn them on down to prison bars.
But the reality is, when it comes to court, you have to be 100% factual.
So I look at the machines no different than a weapon.
If you're a gun owner and you have a gun in your nightstand, it can even be loaded or You know, your book, Kellis, or even your gun vault, whatever.
Your gun is not going to go out and just kill somebody.
In order for that gun to become something bad, it has to have a person who has bad programming.
And when that person has bad programming, yes, they can pull the trigger and they can kill.
Now, the voting machines are no different.
The voting machine only does what the people...
Paper or programs tell it to do.
And so many of the ways that we've lost this fight is for literally just the words we used in court.
Like most people don't understand, you can disqualify an expert witness for not being an expert.
The other part of it is, when you go in and said the machines changed the vote, The court can throw it out real quick, and let me give you an example.
Have you ever heard, Vim, yourself, have you ever heard of a Dominion voting machine?
Yeah, of course, yeah.
Okay, what does a Dominion voting machine look like?
I mean, from the pictures I've seen, it looks kind of like a big, what is it called, laser jet printer, like to my eyes.
Okay, so I want to let you know.
What's the name of Dominion?
Dominion Voting Systems.
Dominion doesn't manufacture a single machine.
In fact, the machines are Okidata printers, HP printers, Dell computers, etc.
The system has taught you to say, Dominion voting machines.
So, if you understand that loophole, that they're not a machine, they're a software company.
They have always been a software company.
Just to clarify, they're buying regular printers and that sort of thing and infusing software through some computer mechanism.
They're not even doing that. Oh.
It really isn't that.
In most cases, they're not even augmenting the software because it's run off of a Dell computer and it comes out of their election management system.
The election management system determines what the printer will do.
And see, that's where the technicalities lay.
You will see a Dominion voting machine executive officer or president get in front of Congress and say, we do not make machines that connect to the internet.
And you and I know these damn machines connect to the internet.
But is he lying?
No. They do not make machines that connect to the internet.
And why is that?
Because they're a software company.
Now, when you finally realize that words matter in this, you realize that when you draft your lawsuits, With idiotic statements like, the machines changed the votes, we saw it happen on TV, we saw the numbers go away, and they went to Biden.
That's not what you saw, and that's not what did it.
And a machine didn't do it.
People, paper, and programs do.
And so in court, these things matter.
Now, what I just laid out for you is the psychological operation that has helped all of this been pulled off.
Because they taught an entire nation to say, Dominion voting machine, voting machines, voting machines, swap the votes, stop the steal, they swapped them, they added them, they swapped them.
They pumped that out there to a viral magnitude that it controlled everybody's definition, all the way down to the attorneys who had never dealt with this.
And so they would literally put into their writings, the Dominion voting machine changed the vote.
And it's just Not factually or legally correct.
And that's how bad this warfare is.
Wow. Wow. All right. So you talked about the 200-some ways that they could essentially create fraud, right?
One of the things that I heard about that actually resulted in us scheduling this interview is the paper and the machines, I guess, were used in Arizona.
Size of papers. Is that accurate?
Well, many different things happened in Arizona, and so let's go backwards.
I was the first investigator ever to investigate the standard of the paper used in the election.
So let's go back to 2020, and explain where this came from.
Two things came into the crosshairs.
Now, number one, the county itself, Maricopa County, for some reason...
Started an advertising campaign more than a year before the 2020 election saying, we have a special type of paper we're going to use for the 2020 election.
It's going to exclusively be vote secure paper.
And you can mark it with a sharpie.
Now, everybody knows you don't use a Sharpie in an election.
You just don't. They've been a no-no and been forbidden because they bleed through the papers.
Now, if you look at Maricopa, Maricopa started promoting you have a special paper and you can use a Sharpie.
In fact, Maricopa went so far...
As to make sure for 2020, not a single precinct was given ballpoint pens, that all the precincts had Sharpies.
They even instructed the election workers, we want them to use Sharpies because Sharpies dry better and inks can gum up the reel and cost us more in cleaning the drums.
So when you audit them, this is what an audit is.
You're not auditing your theories, you're auditing their words.
So one of the words they said was, well, we don't like ballpoint pens because it smudges on the scanners and we have to clean them up and it can smudge the screens.
Well, there's not a single repair ticket 16 years prior that a tech had to take apart a scanner because the ink Gummed the scanning apparatus.
Not a single one. Number two, that ink will only stay gummy for a particular window of time.
And if this was 90% mail-in ballot, it's way past that time.
It's no longer still gummy.
So you're trying to figure out why did they tell everybody, all of a sudden, a brand new story, the ink is gummy.
The second part of it is They said we used only vote-secure paper.
Remember, I'm only auditing the standards which they set and set.
So I'm auditing for compliance.
Well, when we audited the papers to actually see what the papers were used in the Maricopa County election, we found some interesting things.
Number one, they did not use all vote-secure paper.
Yes, there was a bulk of it that they used vote-secure paper, a bulk of it.
But it wasn't all of it.
In fact, it was about 130,000 pieces of ballot paper that were just kind of a cheap paper.
So that was a lie.
The next thing we had to check was the Sharpies won't bleed through.
Well, on those 135,000 pieces of paper, there were an extra, because of bleed-throughs, extra paper.
2.1 million votes.
Now see, every one of those little dots get read by the scanners.
The scanner can't tell the difference between a bleed-through and a regular vote.
So 130,000 ballots had 2.1 million extra votes on them.
So now you got two issues.
They said it wouldn't bleed through.
And then historically, the only reason they bled through is because they used a Sharpie pen.
Now in this election, it wasn't the vote secure paper for those, and they demanded and forced people to use a Sharpie pen.
So the end result was 130,000 ballots that had 2.1 million extra votes.
So what did they do to those? When the machine sees them, it suspends the vote.
It doesn't throw it out. It just suspends it.
So what it does is as those are coming in on election day, it still can read and tell which one's in the right place.
It knows which one's in the right place and which one's in the wrong place.
And so it suspends them and it puts it artificially up here.
Well, when you know everything that comes in by mail and you know what those votes are, they tell you they don't count them.
That's a lie. And then you have everything that comes in on election day and you've suspended most of them.
What do you know? You know how everybody's voted.
Well, if you've got a certain amount of them suspended, you know how many extra votes you need underneath to squeak by.
So what it does, between the 10 extra days of counting they said they needed, which was also bogus, they're able to manufacture enough ballots using phony people, phony names, phony inflated voters, that they can slide in those ballots.
And then when they bring adjudication, that's what's up here down, they bring it down, it looks like it was a foot race, and boy, they squeaked by and Biden won.
And it was just enough to get right to the edge.
If he had gotten any more, it would have required, by law, a full and total recount, but they didn't trigger that.
Wow, wow. And the difference between, let's talk about what triggers a recount and how they're always a little bit below that.
It's a certain percentage of the vote written in law that if it's within this close density, right, then it's automatically going to trigger 100% recount.
So they literally managed it 100% to that line, just enough to get Biden across, but not to trigger the mandatory 100% recount by law.
Imagine that. How many people do you need in order to run this kind of a conspiracy?
Well, first off, it's racketeering.
Second off, you don't need a lot of people really at the precinct level.
You just need to put the environment available.
And this is an environment issue.
If you've already got built-in fungibility, you know, a lot of assets available, In the excess voter rolls, you've got it there.
You've got to have extra ballots.
If you're going to replace ballots, you've got to have extra ballots.
Maricopa has 2.5 million voters for Maricopa County.
Why in the hell did the official ballot printer print 4,089,000?
That question's still never been answered.
Why did they dump them all in the marketplace?
It's not like you have to have the people on the ground running the elections bad.
You got to have data.
This is a data game.
And if you watch the Arizona audit, you found out that there, you know, we were fighting for the thing called the Splunk logs and the routers, which never got turned over.
The Splunk log and the routers show exactly where everything comes from.
There were 30,000 anonymous incursions into the database.
Now, that's not somebody changing a vote.
That's a misnomer. That's 30,000 different occasions somebody came in to look at what the counts were.
And they come back out.
They're constantly checking to see what the count is.
Everything else is manufactured underneath.
So it doesn't take the people running the elections.
It takes people outside the elections.
I.e. the mules.
You find in Georgia that the ballots were being processed at non-governmental agencies.
And they would just pick up a bunch and they'd go around doing them.
So does it really take the election officials?
No. Does it even take the people running the elections that swear up and down nothing was wrong?
Well, as a matter of fact, they can't even tell you because they don't even see it themselves.
But does it take a criminal enterprise to have their fingers in it?
Absolutely. And it's just like anything else.
A lot of lawmakers don't want to look at this because they're even wondering if they legitimately got into office.
But if you're behind the scenes and you can swing the money and you're willing to pay the people off and you can get the assets, that means the ballots, then you can mark them and you can run them back in.
In fact, Maricopa had people that never got investigated, that as the hours were waning, for some reason, postal workers, and all that can be verified is they were dressed like postal workers, walked in with big old buckets, big old tens of ballots, carriers of ballots, and said, we just didn't have time to run these at the post office, so we're just bringing them here.
Well, number one, that's an egregious felony and violation of federal law.
But when those things were coming and dropped off, they were just dropped off there at the counting center, and everybody said, well, it's the post office.
It's okay. Nobody checked their credentials.
Nobody logged them in.
Nobody logged them out. They just said the post office brought those, but yet the post office has no records of them.
Very sophisticated operation that took people on the outside posing as postal workers.
Wow, wow, wow.
It's funny because I'm thinking about the JFK assassination when you say that with Secret Service being at the grassy knoll.
That probably weren't real Secret Service.
Now, let me ask you, how do you think they're going to try stealing 2024?
What do you think they're going to use out of all this kind of plethora of ways to corrupt our elections as the way they take that election from us?
Well, number one, there is no one way they do it.
You can't say, I'm going to manufacture all these phony ballots and insert them in.
You can't do that. It will get caught.
So you have to spread them out.
You have to spread them out amongst all the areas and you got to see what can get in or what can't get in.
And therefore, it's the war of a million paper cuts.
It's very slow, very subtle, spread out over time to be as undetectable as possible.
And they're going to do exactly what they've always done.
And the best way I can explain it is when we expose the issues with the printers in 2020 and the bad paper and Sharpie paper, In Maricopa for 2020, they repeated it again in 2022, but not with Sharpies this time.
They just did it with an off-printed ballot and made the machines kick out every third ballot, which is a setting on the machine.
It can make them not read.
Then for that ballot that couldn't be read, they said, sorry, we tried to read it.
Why don't you put it in this slot here, number three?
So they always expose themselves.
Let me give an example. In 2020, if you came in to an election and you had your ballot and you marked it, and they fed it to the machine, and for whatever reason it didn't scan, no matter what, that ballot wouldn't scan, what did they do from 2020 backwards?
They would, in most cases, only do one of two things.
They would destroy that ballot, cancel it, and give you a new one, and invariably that one would work.
Or, if it kept on happening, they would totally replace the machine.
You follow me? That's a 20-year history of doing that.
In 2022, when all of a sudden, and I kept on telling people, these machines have settings.
You can make it reject the ballots.
If you wanted to reject one out of two, you can set it.
Nobody paid attention. Well, that's what happened in Maricopa, and the machines wouldn't take it.
Now, did they give you a brand new ballot?
No. Did they replace the machine?
No. Magically, it now set on a new box and there was a little bitty hole, a little bitty slot right under the scanner that they called slot number three.
Oh, it's just not scanning.
Drop it in here and we'll pick it up later.
Well, I want to ask you a question.
How did they know that was going to happen where they had every machine equipped to do it in 2022?
Mm-hmm. Right?
And so what happens here?
You walked in, you swore you vote, you printed the ballot, they got the ballot, you printed it, it didn't scan, you dropped it in a slot, and you hope that they tallied it when it got down to the final center.
But once it was put in that third slot, there's no tracking, you have no idea.
Wow, wow, okay. Jovan Hutton-Paltzer is given the job of election czar.
You have all the power in the world to fix this mess.
What are the things you put in place, not only for immediate elections, but for this to be fixed on a generational basis?
I had this discussion face-to-face with President Trump.
We sat down for about 96 minutes.
I gave him all my recommendations of exactly what should be done.
You have to understand there's a demarcation line.
There's what we can do now, and then there's what we can do once he's back in office.
We have right now 197 days from the time of this recording to Election Day.
According to federal and state laws, you cannot make any changes, any changes to the voter rolls at all 90 days before the election.
So we're basically going to be left with 107 days.
Now you have to take out holidays and weekends.
The net effect from sitting right here, right now, 197 days out, is we only have 47 business days To get this right.
So there's nothing we can do in legislation.
There's really nothing we can do in training.
So the only thing we have left, and I've been telling people this, I've been on this countdown for two and a half years trying to get people prepared.
The only thing we can do right now is we have to become fierce advocates of voting, and we have to get people out to vote.
Biden was such a bad choice in 2020, they had to make up an ungodly amount of votes that were statistically impossible that he got more votes than Barack Obama.
That situation is worse now and many Democrats and people of color are walking away from Biden in droves, so they're going to have to make up more.
So the only physical thing we have left that we can do is we've got to become activists and become active and we've got to get everybody to vote.
We've got to vote in groups and we've got to get them out.
We need to do that actually on election day.
We've got to overwhelm the system.
That's what got President Trump in.
President Trump asked me if they've always been cheating.
Jovan, how did I win in 2016?
I said, it's real simple.
They already thought they had the rig in.
I said, but sir, you inspired people.
You got people off their ass.
And they got up and they went in.
And that's what the party, the Uniparty, could not account for.
We have to do the same thing again in unprecedented numbers.
We got to get out and vote.
It's not bank the vote. Now, on the second side of the equation, if President Trump was in, and if I was to be named to a position like that, what I would immediately do Is I would eliminate mail-in voting.
I would eliminate early voting.
It'd have to be, literally, you're in the hospital and have an excuse.
Drop boxes would go away.
I'd make our voting day a national holiday.
I would eliminate the voter rolls.
We don't go by the voter rolls.
Literally, you show up to vote.
You show that you are a valid of age person and that you are a U.S. citizen and you vote in exactly the precinct you can vote in.
You're handed a ballot and you vote that day.
Period. Doesn't matter what party you're in, you vote.
And that day, when we lock it down to precincts, paper only, paper ballots, get rid of a lot of the machinery, and go to very simple hand voting on Election Day, we'll have it.
And why? Because if you leave all the guns in place, the cannons, the machinery, the softwares, and you got 21 million bad voters that we pretty much know are on the voting rolls, if we keep this system intact, no matter how many poll observers you have, watching the magic tricks done way before the election, and the only way to get rid of all that fat that's been stuck in over five decades
is to eliminate it and start from scratch right over. That's the only way to fix this permanently.
You know, over here, there's been a lot of controversy about this idea of ballot banking, right?
And when I say over here, I'm talking about Nevada, right?
And so what I think...
What is ballot banking? But hey, we want to keep early ballot and we want to keep mail-in ballot.
It's just a fancy name for stay early voting and stay mail-in voting.
It's a rig by the GOP. They just named it something else.
You can't bank your ballot if you don't get it early.
Yeah, so that's what I keep, you know, there's been huge conflict.
Actually, if you watch our, I believe it was Blood Money episode 226 with a pastor, a local pastor, he's been having a bit of a war of words with one of the churches that via Charlie Kirk has been really pushing this idea of ballot banking.
That's what the GOP once sold.
And what this group of individuals that's against ballot banking is, that's just going to open the door to all kinds of fraud.
We got to encourage same-day voting because that doesn't give them enough time to flip these votes, to do all kinds of naughty things with the votes.
I'd love for you to respond to that.
We don't have two parties. We have one party.
I didn't fight the left in my audit.
We fought the left to get the audit The ones we really ended up fighting was the right who don't want to give you the results and have you see what really happened We do not have two parties. We have a freaking uniparty that that They just take time swapping back and forth letting people in the system Okay We're gonna be in for four years and we're gonna suck money out that's going to us and we're gonna make sure you get in For four years and you're gonna suck money out of the system. That's it
bat bank your ballot is a nifty word for vote early and Mail-in balloting Well, when you vote early, you're telling the enemy how the vote's coming down.
And if they've got 30 days of actionable intelligence in advance, and you've got one day to vote, they've got 30 days on you.
30 days on you.
So you seem like you're vehemently opposed to ballot banking.
100%. And the GOP's promoting it.
Okay, this is mind-boggling because, okay, I have to bring this up because this was part of this last few episodes back, Blood Money, where...
This pastor suggested to Charlie Kirk at this church, it's called Fervent Church in Las Vegas, where we shouldn't ballot bank.
And Charlie Kirk turned to him and said that you are a fed if you think we shouldn't ballot bank.
And that's the, well, hang on, racist pig, white honky.
Racist, white supremacist, those are words to shut people up.
Yeah. And so Charlie Kirk, what does Charlie Kirk know about voting?
What does he know about running elections?
But he can try to make you shut up.
Well, you're a fed if you do this.
That's just to shut it up.
And why is Charlie Kirk saying that?
Because the GOP buys ads in his program that keeps him on the air and he's not going to lose that money.
So you're basically saying don't trust Charlie Kirk.
I don't.
Look, why would I go to my auto mechanic who changed my oil to get my root canal?
Now think about that.
You want to be told what to do in elections by a radio personality or a pundit.
Right? Who could no more tell you how this rig works or how it's done.
So what is his determinant in this?
Doesn't mean he's not a smart guy.
Doesn't mean he hasn't been out for a long time.
It just simply means a bulk of his money comes from the system in the form of advertisers.
He's one of the approved.
He's going to do what they say.
And he's going to take that money, which keeps him on the air, and keeps those donations.
That's the way the game works.
Does he really know?
No. Could he even tell you a tenth of what I just shared with you?
No. He has no concept.
But as a mouthpiece, he did his job.
GOP said, this is what you're going to say.
You're anointed one.
You'll keep coming to the parties.
You'll keep having the promotions and go.
Well, I'm not a Fed, and banking ballots is full of shit.
Wow, wow. It's crazy, man.
I mean, this topic is actually pretty mind-blowing because not only...
So there's been a few things that are going on.
Firstly, Charlie Kirk snapped on this pastor, said, you're most likely a Fed if you think we shouldn't do ballot banking.
Then the other side came, the people that were anti-ballot banking and basically accused Charlie Kirk of being Operation Trust, which I guess is an old Soviet intelligence operation where they put these individuals forward that gain people's trust, but really they're put forward to be able to continue the fraud with a, you know, kind of like a pretty face attached.
There's a certain amount of that that goes on, but you don't have to be a rat bastard to enjoy having your program on the air and people listening to you.
You just have to have the simple motivation is I want to, I want to continue to be a national voice.
I want to continue to be invited on the news shows and I want to continue to have great sponsors and you buying political ads in my shows.
Does it mean Charlie's a bad guy or an operative?
No, he's got a job to do.
What's his job to keep his show on the air?
He might just be ignorant and he might genuinely think that that's the way you actually win this election.
100% and they put a lot of money into teaching people to be ignorant.
Okay, there's another thing that I need to bring up here in amongst that whole situation that happened.
So this church that, you know, held this Charlie Kirk event where there was this conflict of words between another pastor and Charlie Kirk also had a Tina Peters event scheduled about eight months ago and we did an expose about this.
Last minute the event got canceled.
They said Tina Peters can't come to this church.
There's a church called the Fervent Church in Las Vegas.
Who's very pissed off at me, by the way, from what I've heard, because I did an interview with this pastor that had opposing ideas, right?
So Tina Peters' event gets canceled, and it's now scheduled at a different church in Las Vegas.
We start to do some digging around, and it seems as though the fervent church has somebody in there that is very powerful within that church.
His name is Bob List.
He's a former Nevada governor, but he's also a Dominion lobbyist and a Dominion What do you think about that, sir? It doesn't have to happen in church.
It can happen if you're an ice cream shop owner or a burger franchise owner.
People have relationships.
People have issues. Secondly, on Tina Peters, I think Tina Peters did her job.
She's a great American hero.
She's caught in the crossfire.
I worry about her a tremendous amount because I think they are going to set an example with Tina Peters.
Why? Because if they can take Tina Peters down, they're going to basically send the signal to 3,800 county commissioners or county recorders, don't screw with us or we're going to make you the bad guy and we're going to ruin your life and send you to prison.
And so that's the nefarious deed there.
But as far as these church, these players and stuff, I don't know.
But you can literally see this in every machination.
There are, even though I'm the only person that has looked at this many ballots in the history of America, there are still shows that won't talk to me at all, simply because the GOP has put word out.
We don't want people to know what he knows, so don't cover him.
Unfortunately, that's what's called politics. That's what's called psychological warfare. It happens on all sides. It's the way it is.
Just expect it.
And you won't be disappointed. Wow, wow.
Jovan, this is amazing information, man, and especially this last part, which is something I've been struggling with because I haven't been able to decipher what to think about ballot banking, but you gave the most crystal clear testimony.
Well, look, ballot banking is hard as voting early, right?
So how do you vote early? Give people excuse, give them access to the ballot early, a month early.
It doesn't take a lot of brains to figure that out.
Hell, you can make it the ballot sparkletacular.
It's still going to be the same damn thing, no matter what you name it.
Wow, wow. So you are firmly, vote the day of, don't give them time to create fraud with the ballot.
100%. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
Some people are going to be very happy to hear that, let me tell you, man, because there's been blood on the streets in terms of this topic.
Sir, did we not touch upon anything that's important to mention before we wrap up this episode?
Not really. You know, folks, I do a program teaching like this.
I consider myself a teacher more than anything else.
You can find me on Rumble, rumble.com forward slash Jovan Hutton, Pulitzer, my name.
But every day, seven days a week, 7 a.m., 7 p.m., I do that in Central Standard Time so you can remember, hey, Vegas, baby, 777.
But 777 every day, I share information, I train.
My goal is to make you the smartest patriot in the room because if you don't know how they're doing it to you, You can't push back, you can't help others, and you can't fight a corrupt system.
Man, it's so insane what we're having to deal with.
Not only are we constantly censored from getting this information out, but it seems like we have a lot of enemies within our ranks, whether they're aware that they're enemies or not that are being used against us that are really fighting to get the right thing to happen out there.
Right. Yeah, it's bizarre, man.
It's really bizarre. I really appreciate your time, man.
Thank you so much for coming on to the Blood Money Podcast.
This information is really amazing.
By the way, do you have any other links, websites that you'd like to put forth for the viewers?
Well, you can find me on Locals.
That's where I do a lot of talking behind the scenes.
It's just jovanhuttonpolitzer.locals.com.
I do have a book out you can find on Amazon called Countdown to Chaos.
I explain everything put into place prior to 2020 so they could pull off what they did in 2020.
That's called Countdown to Chaos.
And then my newest book, ironically, which is called The Food Forest Bible, it's really how you plant a garden that will actually keep on regenerating itself for 20, 30, 40 years.
It just became the bestseller.
You can look that up on Amazon.
But I'm here to do anything we can to survive this.
This is war. We're all in it together with no regard to political parties.
And if America goes down, the whole world goes down.
True, true, true, true, true.
Wow. Sir, this was amazing.
Great episode of Blood Money.
I hope people watch this entire thing through because this is critical information.
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