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Oct. 6, 2023 - Blood Money
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America 2.0 with Owen Shroyer
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All right, welcome to the latest episode of Blood Money.
Today we have a very special guest, Owen Stroyer.
How are you doing, sir?
I'm good. It's a nice day to be alive.
Every day, six feet above ground is better than six feet underground.
Yeah, yeah. Tell me about it.
Tell me about it. So, you know, let's just dive right into it, man.
You know, let's first start with how you got your start, you know, with War Room.
How did you get involved in this whole movement?
What was the impetus that made you say, you know what, I got to stand up for this country.
What's happening right now is ridiculous.
Well, I've always been a patriot, you might say.
My... Both my grandfathers served in the military, so I've got military backgrounds on both sides of my family.
I've always been a patriot, a freedom lover.
I've always kind of admired the revolution as the idea that it was that the individual and self-government should always be on top of the political system.
But I was never really...
Political person, I was never really into the news.
When I tell you that 22-year-old me probably hadn't watched an hour of cable news in his life, I mean that literally.
I mean, I probably had not watched an hour of TV news.
I hated politics. I wasn't interested.
And I was in sports media.
That was my thing.
By the time I was, say, a sophomore in high school, I realized a professional sports contract was not in my future.
So I started to go into writing and broadcasting, and I was really involved in the sports media into my early 20s.
And what had happened was the Boston Marathon bombing was kind of the first time where news and current events and the sports world intertwined.
And so I'm on the air at the time, and The same fervor that I bring to the air every day covering news and politics, I would bring with sports.
And so for the first time, I'm tuning into the news, the cable news, and I'm looking at the press conferences that the local police and the FBI are having, and something just felt off instinctually.
It just something felt off.
I felt I was being lied to.
All of it really felt fake.
And so all of a sudden, I started getting interested in this story.
And so needless to say, I started to dig in.
I started to look for alternative news sources.
I found places like Infowars.
And really, I just hit the ground running.
Politics kind of overnight became more interesting to me.
It wasn't even necessarily the political angle.
It was the... Wait a second.
I've been lied to my whole life by my government and my media angle.
And ultimately, you kind of end up into the news and end up into politics.
But that's what really got me started.
I made the conscious decision at probably 23 to start going into politics.
And then I think I was 26 or so when I said, no, I don't want to do sports the rest of my life.
I'd rather go into news and politics.
There's more meaning there.
And eventually... With my own content on my YouTube channel and with some of the viral videos that had been featured on Infowars, eventually Alex offered me a job and I really was grinding hard and I still do every day, but I told him, I was like, you know, I want to expand Infowars.
I want InfoWars to be live every day.
There were a lot of haters and naysayers at the time, but here we are.
InfoWars is live 10 hours a day and three hours of those live transmissions are mine.
So that's kind of the long and short of it right there.
But yeah, it was a transition from sports media into political media.
And once I went full time at InfoWars, I never looked back.
Now, what is our role as a country?
You know, we've noticed, like, there's a lot of things that our country's done to its citizens, like COVID-19, like 9-11, where it seems as though some of the, you know, the baddies are within our government.
I mean, how do we get to that point?
And how do we fix that?
Is there an America 2.0 that is going to rise out of the ashes where we the people are going to actually be respected versus we the elite?
You know, America 2.0, what a concept.
Because that to me means we go back to the original ideas of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, but also now that we're kind of into the new industrial age, We have to kind of re-evaluate what that really means, what that really looks like.
But again, the nucleus, the core, has to be self-government, the individuals in charge of their own lives, generally speaking.
When it comes to the corruption in politics, I think we've gotten two really good keyholes into exactly how it works.
One being the Jeffrey Epstein phenomenon, where these people like to go down to his island and do God knows what.
I mean, we know that there were sex slaves down there.
That's the very least of what they were doing.
There were temples that were built for what, who knows if we'll ever find out.
So I think some of them get involved like that.
They get brought up through these cults.
Maybe they're sex cults.
Maybe they have blackmail angles.
And eventually they get blackmailed into running, is how I see some of that going.
Who knows how many individual cases like this are in Congress or at Attorney General's positions or anywhere across the United States.
But I think that that's one angle of it.
And that one might be a little more blurry, a little tougher to fully understand and comprehend.
And the hardest pill to swallow would be that, oh, our politicians are basically blackmailed But then there's the angle that I think is more consumable and the average American can understand, and that has to be what we found out from the Biden crime family.
The United States gives out more humanitarian aid than every country on Earth combined.
With this humanitarian aid, corrupt politicians like Joe Biden leverage it to enrich themselves.
The situation in Ukraine is obviously the one that will be used as the case study.
The United States gives billions of dollars a year in humanitarian aid to Ukraine.
Joe Biden threatened to withhold that aid if they didn't fire a prosecutor that was investigating an oil company that his son was a board member of making very lucrative salaries.
And so we see that we have politicians that use the leverage of foreign aid or foreign policy and influence to enrich themselves.
And again, it's the Biden crime family with the latest, greatest example.
Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Biden's grandkids bringing in millions of dollars, allowing foreign policy to be dictated by the highest bidder, whether they're in China, whether they're in Russia, whether they're in Ukraine.
And so this is where we're at.
If you ask the average American, now politics has become so hyper-polarized in the last five, six, seven years, really since Donald Trump, if we're marking the line.
But I would say you kind of have to have like a pre-Donald Trump political era and then a post-Donald Trump political era.
But even pre-Donald Trump political era, what was so strange to me is you could ask the average American, do you think...
Politics is corrupt.
Do you think politicians are corrupt?
Do you think Washington DC is corrupt?
I mean, I'd say 75% of Americans immediately wouldn't even think twice.
They'd say, absolutely, it's corrupt.
Maybe it's the most corrupt in the world, even.
But now we're at this weird time where some people don't want to admit that the government is corrupt or some people are just buying into the corruption of government.
But if you could kind of remove the Trump angle and remove the hyperpolarization, they would all agree.
No, our government is corrupt.
Our politicians are corrupt.
The people in D.C., Congress, they're the most corrupt people among us.
Not even going into the Republican weeds, the Democrat weeds, Donald Trump, Joe Biden weeds, just generally speaking.
So we all seem to understand that, but we can't come to an agreement on what it looks like, who's doing it, and what needs to be done about it.
And so that's kind of the frustration I think we're facing right now as the American voters and as individuals like you and me who do know what's going on.
We do know who is corrupt.
At least we have a good sense, I would say.
And so it's frustrating to actually have all this revealed and then you might go out to your fellow American and it just so happens to be that this is the American left now.
And they'll sit there and they'll say there is no proof of corruption from Joe Biden, Donald Trump colluded with Russia.
Well, that's a totally inverted worldview.
And so what do you do with a voting bloc that has that worldview and refuses to see what is actually going on?
But they'll admit the government is corrupt and they'll somehow blame it all on Donald Trump, who's only served four years in office.
I mean, what it seems like to me, and this is just like watching from the outside, right?
So we go through this period where a lot of corruptions were revealed.
The whole Jeffrey Epstein story.
These perverts that are in Hollywood.
You know, islands. The sexualization of children.
Human trafficking.
Child trafficking. All this stuff starts coming out, right?
And then all of a sudden it seems as though the powers that be want to blow up our economy.
It just seems like a desperate last attempt at really carpet bombing the world in order to cover up their crimes.
I mean, how do you take, I guess, the events of the last five, six, seven years, especially the last three years?
Well, there's so much to unpack there.
I think that we're seeing the divide, the chasm, And in fact, I know that I think you guys are going to be at the Reawaken America tour that's coming up here this weekend.
And that's a perfect example.
You've got this massive tour that sells out massive venues.
You know, thousands of people show up and we all have a like mind.
We all have a general... political understanding that we can relate to in one another.
So there is that awakening happening.
But then on the other side, it seems that the American left is falling farther into the abyss.
And it's beyond politics, right?
This is beyond politics.
We're talking about genital mutilization.
We're talking about infant Murder, baby murder, and they call it healthcare.
They call it abortion. And so they've really just fallen off the cliff.
They're censoring free speech on the internet.
And so this is the chasm that we face.
But I mean, I always try to go back to the money because most people will understand money and they'll understand corruption.
Look at the open border right now with millions of people pouring in every year.
Well, that's a multi-billion dollar industry.
Somebody's getting rich.
Somebody's making millions and millions of dollars off of the open border.
I know it's not you. I know it's not me.
So who is it? Who's making this money?
What politics do they fund?
What Politicians do they fund?
You know, these are the things that we should be asking.
We should be coming together.
But again, it's like one side has fallen completely into the abyss.
They believe everything they see on television.
They really believe lying politicians, as long as they have a D behind their name.
And the wool just gets pulled over their eyes time and time again.
Where Joe Biden can't even do a press conference.
He's on a vacation in a multi-million dollar mansion on Lake Tahoe while Maui burns to the ground.
He sends more money to Ukraine.
I mean, this couldn't be more obvious.
And yet we sit here and feel like we have to ram heads with the American left because they don't even accept the reality that is right in front of their eyes.
So I don't know if that answers your question, but...
I feel like that's where everything kind of derives now, is that chasm.
And it's like, is it too wide to even bridge the gap now?
I mean, we did an episode on essentially the psychology of brainwashing, right?
So there's five steps to brainwashing.
A lot of experts say that after you pass the third or fourth step, most people would rather die than admit that they're wrong.
You know, we saw this phenomenon actually after World War II. Where all the Nazis had to be reeducated.
It took them about 10 years to reeducate the Nazis, and that didn't necessarily even work.
I mean, is this essentially a point of brainwashing being so strong that, frankly, people with softer minds, people with not as strong resolve, not as strong tendency to research, just fall into it, and they'd rather be brainwashed than...
Admit the horrible realities that there's children being raped, trafficked, sold, borders open, mass murder.
Do you think it's a point of brainwashing that these people will never be able to overcome?
Well, I think there's multiple angles.
I think brainwashing might be one of the angles.
We know about psychological warfare.
We know about MKUltra.
We know about the flicker rates on the television used to put us in a trance.
We know some of the original creators of Facebook coming out saying, yeah, we designed it to make it addictive.
So there's definitely the angle of brainwashing.
But I think there's multiple psychologies at play here.
You know, some people, and I will say people, but they do.
Lean left. But this is a general...
This is a psychological study here.
Some people will just always go against you.
And so I see a lot of the American left, they really just posture themselves against conservatives.
They don't really have any principles.
They don't really have any core values.
They just are anti-you.
They just hate you.
And so they're always going to go against you because they hate you.
And so I don't know if necessarily this group of people is being brainwashed into their set of beliefs as much as If they see a Christian conservative or a white man or whatever it is, whatever X group that they have hate in their heart for, whatever they see them supporting, whatever they see them saying, they're always going to be the opposite.
They're always going to be offensive and abrasive against the things that we stand for.
And so that aspect is always going on.
And you've always got hired guns.
People tend to forget that Desperate people will do anything.
And so if you feel that you are such an incompetent or incapable person, then you're going to do whatever you can to pay the bills.
And I look at an Oliver Darcy type.
Here's a guy who's been right-wing.
Here's a guy who's been left-wing.
Here's a guy who's been right-wing again.
Here's a guy who tried to work at Infowars.
Okay, now he's at CNN. He's doing social media following, getting accounts banned, spouting leftist ideology.
I look at that psychology and I just see there's just a weak, pathetic man who doesn't believe he's capable of anything.
And if he can get a paycheck that sustains the lifestyle he wants, then he's just going to take it and he's going to do whatever he can to maintain that because it's a survival mechanism.
He doesn't think he can do it anywhere else.
So he just is in survival mode.
Whoever wants to pay me like a hired gun, I'll do your political bidding if that's the field that he's in.
So I think there's multiple psychologies at play here.
But the one thing that remains consistent is they always flow down the same stream.
They're always swimming the same path.
They're always in rhythm together.
And so that's why they end up sounding louder than conservatives.
And obviously, the American left is pretty much in control of all the legacy media, legacy entertainment, the establishment, as you might call it.
So I think there's multiple psychologies at play, but it really, a lot of it, I think, comes from a place of hatred.
I really believe that.
What's the role of, like, feminism, third-wave feminism in all of this?
A lot of men feel as though their, you know, their voice has been squashed.
Seems like a lot of men are scared to talk.
That seems to be the crisis of our time, is that men are not standing up.
We have these mama bears out there very bravely standing in the gap, but, like, Seems like the men aren't fighting as hard as they should be.
Yeah, that's an interesting angle.
I mean, as far as feminism is concerned, I tend to go a different direction and not think about the impact it's had on men.
But there might be something there.
When I think about feminism, I really think about how it's harmed women more than anything.
And then, you know, whenever you...
Obviously, whenever you disrupt the natural patterns of behavior...
In either men or women, the other party is going to be affected.
But when I look at what feminism has done to women, I think that that's where most of the damage has been done.
I mean, men might be afraid to speak up now, or we might just not care.
We might be indifferent. I think there's a little bit of both.
Sadly, and this might be true for masculinity, too, but I think it's more obvious for femininity.
I look at it now as like a lost language, like a lost art.
And I'm not trying to be insulting towards conservative women that might believe they're embracing their true femininity.
I'm just saying, I think the ideas and the practices and the things that are feminine and femininity, I think it's like a lost language.
I don't even think the modern woman could even really comprehend it.
And again, I'm not being insulting.
I just think it's like a lost language.
We just don't know how to speak it anymore.
And the women out there that might still have that capacity for just true feminism, you're not seeing them on the internet.
You're not seeing them on TV. They're not influencing anything.
I'm not trying to sound cliche here, but they're literally in the kitchen raising children.
So they don't really have any influences.
But what I'm seeing now on the male side is that the pendulum is starting to go a different direction.
And so maybe this kind of gets into what you're asking, is what I've noticed is now, you know, women are starting to kind of have it out with themselves over some of these issues, and the men are just saying, don't, like, don't come to me.
Like, we've wiped our hands of this situation.
You didn't want us in the conversation.
Nothing we can do is good anymore.
You didn't want us here. So, hey, we're going to form our own little men's circles.
We're going to build each other up.
And we're going to make this about men and finding our masculinity again.
You guys figure out what you want to do about femininity.
We're going to kind of do our own thing.
So, as far as the political angle is concerned...
I think a lot of men are probably afraid of the consequences of speaking their mind or getting into their own politics.
So that might be a lost art of masculinity, is having that confidence And being able to just grit your teeth and dig in your heels and just say, no.
And I'm not going to be afraid.
And I think that more comes with the fact that we've lost so many freedoms.
Men have lost so much of their independence in the modern age.
And so that's where the fear comes from.
A truly free man, a truly independent man, is not afraid to speak his mind.
And so I think it's really just an aspect of we're so dependent on so many different things now that that's where the fear comes from.
I mean, you haven't been afraid.
You've been out there with the bullhorn.
You've been very vocal.
You've been, I mean, as vocal as it gets, what could you tell to men out there in terms of what you found within you that gave you the strength to be in this fight?
You know, that's tough, and I think it's going to be a different path for every man.
What's funny is, this is something that I actually learned at a young age.
If I'm trying to explain something to young men, it was something I learned really in high school, where my freshman year in high school, I was kind of concerned about, am I going to be liked?
Am I going to be cool?
Who should my friend groups be?
Should I play this sport?
Should I play that sport? This is kind of what was going on in my mind as a freshman.
And I really didn't do well, actually.
My freshman year, I kind of struggled in school.
And then when I... I don't know if it was something that happened that summer, or I don't know if it was just...
I felt more comfortable.
But my sophomore year, I just...
There's a book, a concept Mike Cernovich wrote called Gorilla Mindset, but essentially it is explained like this.
You realize and you recognize that you only experience the world and see the world through your eyes, through your mind, through your consciousness.
Once you understand that this is your life and you're in charge of it, and you stop caring about what people think, you stop worrying about if you're going to do this or going to do that, and what the response is going to be, it's like all the pressure is just totally relieved.
The irony is, as soon as I started behaving like that in high school, I became instantly popular.
My grades got better.
I felt more comfortable, and the rest of high school was a lot easier and more of a breeze for me.
I would say for young men, it's just to It's not to say don't have fear, because sometimes you can't control that.
It's to realize that the only thing that you can control is yourself.
And the only experience you're going to have is your own.
And so when you take that mindset and you apply it, the fear goes away.
The things holding you back go away.
I didn't care when I went to these anti-Trump rallies in 2015-2016.
I didn't care that some of my friends thought I was crazy.
I didn't care that some of my family thought I was crazy.
I had my own convictions and I had my own confidence.
And so I think that, you know, this is why guys like Andrew Tate have become influential on young men because they're kind of teaching that aspect of masculinity again.
And the truth is, feminists hate it.
Feminists hate it. And even conservative women who would claim they're anti-feminist, they hate it too.
And again, I'm not trying to be rude.
I just think that even conservative women who claim to be fighting feminism, they are so ingrained in feminism that they just can't even recognize.
And that's why they get so upset at the influence of Tate.
I don't really even think it's about his background.
I don't even, I mean, they might care about what he was doing to make money or with the online girl businesses and stuff like that.
I think it's more that subconsciously women know that the pendulum has swung so far to favor them culturally, so far, and now men are saying, oh, okay, well, let's swing it back.
Let's swing it back.
You know what?
We could have had a nice thing going here, and I think we did.
I think the westernization of culture, women getting involved, I think that's all fine, but it's swung so far now that Men are just saying, I'm not taking part in this anymore.
I'm not taking part in any of the modern day feminist stuff.
I'm not going to be told by women how I need to behave.
I'm not going to take the cultural norms of today and then apply that to my life.
Because at the end of the day, it really has cucked men.
And you know what? Maybe men being rogue and, you know, being a little out there is a little, you know, maybe, yeah, we're kind of crazy, man.
I mean, I'm crazy. You know, we can get nuts.
We fight wars, you know, so, but it feels like the pendulum is swinging in the opposite direction.
And men are just looking at the conversations and the things that the left and the feminists and just women in general have been saying and doing for years.
And we're just saying, we're out, we're out.
We're not, we're not buying in anymore.
You can complain all you want, but this is what we're doing now.
And if you don't like it, then that's too bad on you because all you're going to end up doing is fighting with each other.
We're not involved anymore.
Yeah.
Let's talk about War Room.
Why war? What is the war?
Explain to me the war that you see within War Room.
Well, that was a name that Alex gave to the show.
There's not really much meaning in it.
It's a general term for war.
Like a negotiation room or, you know, a think tank room.
So the phrase war room has been around for decades when it comes to political conversations and You know, addressing it, communicating it.
So really, that was an idea that Alex had for the name.
But to me, I just go three hours a day.
I try to cram as much news and information into that three hours as possible to make it the most worth their time to the audience.
And the truth is, we are in a war for our minds.
We're in a war for our souls.
We're in a war for the future of America, the future of the planet.
So it does apply.
And that's why Alex even It gives the larger company name Infowars.
Do you think, I mean, realistically, are we going to win this war?
What do you think the future holds?
Well, hold on a second.
Let me look into my crystal ball here.
I think it's going to get tough.
I'm really kind of, I wouldn't say I'm dreading the next 12 to 16 months.
But I think it's going to be really tough.
I think a lot of people are going to feel a lot of pain in a lot of different ways.
And I think our situation is going to get worse.
I really believe that financially.
I mean, the borders, culturally.
I do think it's going to get worse.
But I do have hope. I do have hope.
If they steal the next election from Trump...
More people will know that that's what they did than even in 2020.
I don't know what that means.
I just know that that's going to spur a larger awakening process.
The human will, specifically the American will to be free, cannot be put out.
You can't put that light out.
It's an eternal flame that will never be put out, no matter what they do.
Even if they put you into shackles, that flame will still burn.
I think it's going to get bad.
I think the economic pains are going to get worse.
I'm afraid that this situation in Ukraine might get worse.
I'm afraid that China and Russia actually have real leadership now that are making geopolitical moves to leave the United States in the dust.
I do believe that Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, they don't like this Western leadership.
They think they're all pedophiles.
They think they're all corrupt.
And so they don't want to deal with them anymore.
And they've been engaging in so much crime internationally for my entire life that they're just saying, we're standing up and we're removing your system of power, which for one is the petrodollar, and then two being the economic center of the world.
These two things are at great risk with this BRICS system.
And if a war gets worse in Ukraine or Biden tries to get the U.S. directly involved in a war, however that ends up being, The pain is going to get worse.
And then the images of war are going to get worse.
I think the next 16 months are going to be a real trial.
I think it's going to be tough.
I think it's going to be tough on a lot of people.
But if we can have a miracle happen and get Trump back in office in 2024, then I think the hope is big.
I think the future is very bright.
And that's not to say Trump is some sort of a savior.
He's not. But all Donald Trump did and all he has to do, again, if he gets into office, is just turn the levers back on.
It's like walking into your house and turning the lights on.
You don't have to stumble around in the dark.
You don't have to fumble around in your kitchen.
You don't have to trip down the stairs.
You just got to turn the lights on.
So that's all Biden has done.
He turned our energy off.
He's turned it all off.
He's turned the housing market off.
They're about to probably shut us down again for a lockdown.
So all Trump has to do is just turn the switches back on, energy back on.
Freedom back on, prosperity back on, trade deals back on, dealing in the international community back on, stopping geopolitical wars back on.
He just has to boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, flick all those switches, and then naturally things start to get going in the right direction again, like we saw in 2016.
And there's no doubt that we're about to enter a technological boom, the likes of which I don't think we fully comprehend or understand right now.
And so this is where it all goes.
We don't have to be spending $200 billion on Ukraine.
That could... I'm no communist.
I'm no socialist. But...
Okay, you want to talk about healthcare?
Well, let's stop spending $200 billion in Ukraine, and maybe you can talk to me about healthcare.
If we've got that much free money to give away, then okay, I'll open my ears.
But I think these are the conversations that we're going to have in the future.
I think these are the realizations that the American people are having.
I mean, just imagine what you could do with, I would say, since Biden has been in office $300 billion has been spent on illegal immigration and a war in Ukraine.
Just think about what you could do with $300 billion domestically.
Infrastructure, agriculture, I mean, new hospitals, new airports, but we don't get any of that.
See, we don't get any of that.
Our money gets stolen from us and given to foreigners.
So that has to end, but I think more Americans are realizing that that's the big boondoggle.
That's why we struggle so much now.
Let's talk about the true state of the economy.
Before the interview started, we were talking about the big elephant in the room, the fact that our economy is in shambles, a lot worse than I think what we're hearing.
Tell us about what that's looking like based upon your research.
Well, here's the thing.
It's like looking at a constellation in the sky, but not seeing the constellation, just seeing the stars.
The stars are everywhere.
Anybody can go look at this right now.
Whether it's the inflation that's gone up 10% since Joe Biden was in office.
Whether it's the average energy bill to heat or cool your home which has gone up 20% on average.
Whether it's the price at the pump to fill your car which has doubled.
Whether it's the grocery bill that has gone up 30% on average nationwide.
Taxes are up.
So your taxes are going up as well.
So these are all negatives.
These are all negatives on the American people's bottom lines.
And so what is the impact?
Credit card debt has just reached an all-time high in the United States.
House payments and car payments being missed.
Not being reached, has reached an all-time high in the United States.
And then you see other numbers out there.
75% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, don't have $1,000 savings if there's an emergency.
And even, I mean, it used to be, I mean, maybe depending on where you lived, but most Americans would have said, you know, if you're making $50,000 a year, you're going to be okay.
If you're making $50,000 a year, you're going to be able to have a car that you can drive to work.
You're going to be able to fill your tank.
You're going to have a roof over your head.
You might not own the house or the apartment, but you'll have a roof over your head.
You can pay your bills. It's kind of $50,000.
Well, now... The majority of six-figure earners are also living paycheck to paycheck.
And so there's another issue here too, and that's that most of the people that would be reporting this news to you or bringing this news to you aren't really feeling it yet.
Right? The politicians might not be feeling it yet, although some probably are.
But the news media, the cable news media, they're not feeling it.
They're still making seven figures.
They've still got multiple assets.
They're still doing just fine.
They don't notice when the grocery bill goes up 30%.
They're either not paying it or it just doesn't make a difference to their bottom line.
They don't know when the taxes go up a little bit because it barely impacts their bottom line.
So the message is not getting out because the message is not getting received by the messengers and it's the audience that's really going through it.
I mean look I don't complain about my financial situation.
I feel completely blessed.
I love fighting tyranny.
I get paid to fight tyranny.
I'm working at my dream team at InfoWars.
But I'm not a rich man.
And I mean, unfortunately for me, my financial life has been completely dug through by four different entities or institutions.
It's been promoted publicly.
I'm not a rich man.
So... I notice this stuff.
I notice when the price at the pump doubles.
I notice when all this goes on because then I look at my bottom line and if I'm putting money into savings every month and I'm looking at my bottom line, I'm saying, wait a second, that money's not there anymore.
It's not there. And so I know that if that's the level I'm at, then I know that other people out there are probably facing it much worse.
And I talk to other people as well.
And men don't like to talk about financial stress, right?
We're men. Bury it down like the rest of our emotions.
But I think this is about to reach ahead.
I think the housing market story has got to become a bigger issue.
We've been priced out of the housing market.
Now that the interest rates are going to 7% and 8%, it's not even financially responsible to buy a house.
You're going to end up paying more per month on property taxes and interest rates than even the price of your house would cost in the mortgage.
It's kind of this lurking volcano, this dormant volcano that's kind of bubbling right now and shooting off some lava out.
But I feel like this thing has got to blow soon.
I don't know how...
Because there's no relief in sight is the thing.
So I don't know how...
In 12 months from now, another 12 months of the Biden economy, Americans are going to be at their bottom line.
I mean, at the bottom of the barrel, and it'll really start to impact at that time the middle class.
And I think that's when people are going to say, okay, wait a second.
Wait a second. I'm making six figures a year, and now I'm going to the grocery store, and I'm thinking, well...
Can I buy what I normally buy?
Or do I have to start cutting back?
I don't think this story is going to remain dormant much longer.
You know, what that reminds me of, you know, there was this song, Richmond North of Richmond by Oliver Anthony, right?
So we have the music business trying to sell us all this, you know, perverted Cardi B type stuff.
And then you have this dude with his guitar records a song, not professionally, just records it right there out in the open.
And this thing becomes a number one song.
And everything, the lyrics of this song, like I'll just read you a little bit of it here.
I've been selling my soul, working all day, overtime hours for bullshit pay.
So I could sit out here and waste my life away, drag back home and drown my troubles away.
And he said that he wrote this song because of the depression he was in.
And seems as though this is going on pretty much across our country.
This is heartfelt by so many.
Do you have any comments about this song?
I think that you're right, and you said this before we started the interview, that it's really touching the soul of the average American right now, right?
It's touching the soul of the average American that's probably living a life that they never wanted to live or they feel that they're being forced to live.
And, you know, it's one thing, maybe going to a job you don't like every day or doing something that's unenjoyable every day, but...
You got a house that you own.
You got a car that you own.
You got a family at home.
It's like, okay, well, you know what?
Hey, I might work and maybe I don't like my job or maybe I work a bunch of hours or whatever, but you know what?
I've got property I own.
I've got some financial security.
I've got my freedom.
I've got my family. So, hey, it's all okay.
Well, these things are being ripped away now.
These things are being ripped away.
Our freedoms are being ripped away.
Our financial security is being ripped away.
For a lot of men, and this kind of goes back into the cultural thing, I don't want to open this one up again, but for a lot of men, they're having their families ripped away.
They're having their families ripped away from them too.
So I think that it's kind of the same breaking point when you just talk about Hey, because I don't know, there's other lyrics in that song too, but it's just like, yeah, this is not how we're supposed to live, right?
I'm not supposed to live every day chasing, right?
I'm not supposed to be chasing the carrot every day.
Grinding myself down every day, chasing this carrot and never catching it.
It shouldn't be this way, especially when you see all the money we send to Ukraine or illegal immigrants.
I mean, not to beat that drum again, but really, that's what it is.
Americans are struggling, and they see every week a new check gets cut to go to Ukraine.
Well, what the hell is that? We don't have the financial security.
The Americans don't have that.
So why is it so important to get this money to Ukraine?
But this ties in, I think, to America 2.0 as well.
The future economy, the future of production and everything else is going to change.
It's going to change with robotics.
It's going to change with AI. And I think that the American economy needs to understand this change is coming and we have to reassert ourselves as a production hub and a manufacturing hub And make sure that China doesn't have that and China doesn't have all the resources because now we're in a position where it's basically just going to be a land of serfs.
You're basically just going to be a land of peasants.
If we don't have manufacturing and production and entrepreneurialism here, then what do we have?
How many people are going to go into agriculture?
They don't really train that up anymore.
So this is kind of the way, this is kind of where it's all going.
I think that The next wave, and that's why they want to put you on the central bank digital currency, is because they want to make sure that you're under this system permanently.
And if you don't take your vaccine or you don't pass your diversity test or whatever, then you don't get access to your money.
And they want to be able to shut that off or turn it on at a drop of a hat.
And they can also just...
Make numbers out of nowhere.
So really it's just ending any real financial system and just turning it into a social slavery caste system.
But I think that's where we are in the crossroads of right now.
Wow, wow. So let me ask you about your experience at the border.
So you're down at the border. Tell us a little bit about what you witnessed there.
Was there military-age men?
What are the things you witnessed happening there that the mainstream media is not talking about?
Well, the border is wide open.
I don't know how else to put it, except maybe you could say that Border Patrol is actually the last line of the human...
Smuggling the human trafficking operation.
Because that's all they do now is the illegal immigrants, they don't run away from Border Patrol.
They run to Border Patrol.
They want to get caught.
They want to get arrested because all they have to do is go through processing and then they get released and they're free in the country.
They got court dates in 2027, 2008, 2029, 2028.
They're not showing up for these court dates.
That's ridiculous. Who knows what the world is even going to look like?
In 2027, 28, and 29.
A lot of pregnant women, a lot of unaccompanied minors, and yes, a lot of military-aged men, but it's not just the aspect of military-aged men, it's There's this lie, there's this image that's false that's been sold to us that all the people coming here are downtrodden and down on their luck and they've got it hard and everything.
No. A lot of these people are coming in here with a nicer cell phone than you have.
Brand new iPhones. A lot of these people are coming in with brand new clothes.
I mean, I've even seen it before.
They get to the airport or they get to the bus stop.
They pick up their phone and they're ready to go to a party.
I'm not even kidding you.
They're saying, hey, where's the party?
I'm going to the party. Hey, my flight leads to New York.
I'll see you at the club. And they're already all dressed up to go to a party or go to the club.
So this notion that everybody coming over here is downtrodden or a refugee or an asylum seeker is just BS. I would say maybe 10% of the people that are coming across illegally are in a situation like that.
10%. 90% are coming over here for the freebies.
90% are coming over here because they know it's an open border.
And then the larger question that has always perturbed me is if we're giving...
I mean, just look at Central America.
We give Central American countries hundreds of millions of dollars in humanitarian aid every single year annually, and it's done nothing.
All they do is they take our money and then they send a quarter of their population to the United States.
And by the way, it is a quarter of their population.
I think it was like since 19...
I forget the numbers. Like since 1980 or 1990, a quarter, 25% of the Central American population has...
Immigrated to the United States of America.
Most of them illegally. So why are we sending all this aid if it's not helping anything and we end up paying for all their citizens on the back end when they cross our border illegally?
So this is the type of common sense stuff that we shouldn't even have a debate over.
The debate should already be over.
The process should already be finished with.
And yet it still goes on every day.
Owen, this is my last question.
I know you have a hard out, but let's kind of think, you know, what happens if Trump wins?
We all know that they're going to do everything in their power, and we personally believe here at America Happens and Blood Money that they will go as far as they have to go, assassination, whatever.
But let's say he does get into power.
What are the things that need to happen in order for America 2.0...
To be plotted in a way where a lot of this stuff doesn't happen because it seems as though if you don't do certain things and leave certain snakes within the system, this is just going to come back to bite us in the ass, right?
So what are the things that need to take place in 24 if Trump wins?
Well, he certainly has to have a better staff around him.
There's no doubt about that.
He needs to look outside of the DC swamp.
He needs to take no advice from any Republicans when it comes to who to hire.
They always gave him bad advice.
But I think the real issue is he's got to get in there and he's got to just start turning the energy on.
We've got to start producing oil and gas.
We've got to get away from this green new energy bullcrap that isn't helping anybody.
We've got to shut down the border.
We've got to stop the funding of Ukraine.
I mean, just doing those things alone overnight will start to move the ship in the right direction, I would say.
And, you know, we need, if you want to build the middle class, well, then you need to cut taxes.
You need to cut regulations.
He's done that in the past, too.
And that gives Americans some more financial independence to innovate and to create and to build and to start businesses and hopefully get in the asset column.
So I think as soon as he can do that, that's going to turn things in the right direction.
He's gonna have an uphill battle considering BRICS is going to be a lot more solidified if and when Trump gets into office again.
I think that that can be okay as long as we start to bring the jobs back here, as long as we stop operating with the trade deficits, as long as we stop sending the hundreds of billions of dollars overseas.
I think that the average American's life will improve so dramatically.
It'll be like you're drowning in a pool and you're swimming and you're swimming and you finally get that breath of fresh air.
It's like, Oh, man.
It's just like, oh, such relief I can get air.
So, at the very least, I think it'll be like that.
Now, really, he needs to get in there and start arresting people.
I mean, if you want to get into the bottom line, that's what needs to happen.
The crooks in D.C., the Biden crime family, the Epstein clients, we need to start seeing trials.
I doubt he'll ever do anything about the vaccine, considering he was such a proponent of it.
But as far as the political corruption is concerned, that's something that is long overdue, and I think Trump's the only one that would actually get in there and do it.
Wow, wow. That's actually what I was getting at because it seems as though if there's no punishment, there's no comeuppance, people are just going to repeat the bad behavior.
And one of the things I want to mention in closing is we don't talk about George W. Bush a lot.
I mean, what's your feelings about how the role he's played in the current calamity that we're in?
Yeah, I mean, obviously George Bush is no fan of Donald Trump.
Sometimes I get the feeling, and this isn't to stand up for George Bush, but sometimes I get the feeling is he never really wanted that role.
He was kind of forced into it.
He was daddy's guy.
He was the governor of Texas, and so he kind of just got forced into it.
But I think really we're suffering more from the Obama years than we are from the Bush years, but we've seen since Trump emerged as the The popular politician that he is now,
that really there's not much separating Bush from Obama when it comes to foreign policy, domestic policy, because it all takes us in the right direction for them, which is world government and a security state here in the U.S. Yeah.
Owen, thank you so much for showing up to the Blood Money Podcast.
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