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Oct. 1, 2023 - Blood Money

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Filling the God Sized Hole in Your Heart w/ Paul Davis Episode 151)

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	All right, welcome to the latest episode of Blood Money.
	Today we have a very special guest, Paul Davis, attorney extraordinaire.
	How are you doing, sir? I'm doing fantastic.
	How are you doing? Thank you, Paul.
	Thank you. So the reason why we have Paul on the Blood Money podcast is because he's one of the few attorneys that have actually been fighting the tyranny that's come onto this nation in the last three years with these max mandates, with this unconstitutional behavior, with the persecution of patriots and Christians.
	And he's been one of the few bold attorneys that's willing to stand up against the system and protect our constitutional rights.
	So big kudos to you, sir, for this amazing work that you're doing.
	Let's just dive into it.
	Take us through your journey of when your eyes opened and when you decided to stand up against all the nonsense that has been happening.
	Well, it's a great question.
	It's a pretty wild story.
	I've always had a pretty intense interest in politics, but never really was active.
	I was just kind of a keyboard warrior on social media.
	And then when I saw everything Well, I guess really during the pandemic, when I saw all the George Floyd stuff and how much the media was lying about all that and creating false messaging to get people to think a certain way, you know, I was already aware of some of that to an extent, but it was just so blatant.
	So I think that's really when I started to get pretty passionate about just all the lies being put out there.
	Leading up to the 2020 election, just seeing the problems with all the mail-in voting and all that.
	And then once the election happened, the fraud was very obvious to me.
	And so I took it upon myself to respond to the call to go to January 6th, to go to DC on January 6th.
	I actually went there December 12th for the Stop the Steal rally they had that day.
	So I was kind of Expecting more of the same.
	It was really the first major political event I'd ever been to.
	I mean, I had been to a Trump rally before, but really nothing much more than that.
	And I met a lot of amazing people and just had a great time with all the speakers and everything.
	And so I just was expecting more of the same.
	But when I got to January 6th, it was not what I was expecting.
	Went and saw the speeches.
	It was so cold.
	I had to go back to my hotel room and change.
	By the time I got back to the Capitol, It was like, you know, it was already well past the time that all those barriers had been broken down and everything.
	So I just kind of like walked up not really knowing what was going on.
	And, you know, kept walking forward until I saw the Capitol Police and then I stopped there and just...
	Just sat there and protested with my voice, just like everybody else.
	And for that, just standing there exercising my First Amendment right, I got tear gassed by the police, hit with those flashbang grenades, just for peacefully protesting.
	And so... I thought it was so disturbing.
	I made an Instagram video about it and some left-wing journalist for Salon.com picked it up and made it go viral and selectively edited and said I had staged a coup against the government and documented it on Instagram, which is completely ridiculous.
	And then I got fired the next morning from my job because they said, this is Paul Davis.
	He's a lawyer. In-house counsel for Goosehead Insurance.
	And today he stormed the Capitol to stage a coup against the government.
	And so they created this Twitter mob against me and they got me fired the next day.
	And then that was all over the news.
	And I was out of a job and pretty much out of a career at that point because there were so many articles about me.
	I couldn't get another job in the legal industry.
	So I took it upon myself to start my own law firm.
	I filed an election lawsuit that didn't end up working out like all the other ones.
	I'm proud to say I was one of the first people that the 65 project came after.
	You know, this was one of those big Democrat organizations.
	They're trying to get people like me and Jenna Ellis and Boris Epstein and John Eastman disbarred.
	It didn't really work out for them.
	But the attacks were pretty intense.
	I suffered a lot.
	I had to sell my house.
	My fiancé walked out on me.
	I lost a lot of friends. Okay, okay.
	I need to stop you there.
	Your fiancé walked out on you.
	Really? Do you think she's full of regret right now?
	No, she just wasn't very political.
	That was always kind of a point of contention.
	She was just not interested in any of that.
	We had a pretty great relationship otherwise, but it was a bridge too far when I actually took a stand and she wanted me to just back down and go away quietly.
	I straight up told her, I was like, if you think for one second that if people like me back down and don't do anything, that we're going to live this nice little life, you're wrong.
	Like, we're going to be living under communism, and I'm just not going to take it lying down.
	And she couldn't handle that, so we broke up.
	I mean, you are really taking a hit upon your life by entering this world.
	You know, people, I guess, need to understand that, right?
	Absolutely. I don't know if you remember seeing it, but there was a 20-minute short film that came out.
	It was animated by this guy in Canada.
	It was called Beyond the Great Reset.
	It was making the rounds. Very powerful film, if you haven't watched it.
	But I really identify with that, and I think so many other people do because of a key part of the storyline, which is basically the plot is this guy.
	It's the pandemic, and he's watching...
	Awakens to the truth, but his significant other who's living with him is buying into all the lies, and so it shows how their relationship just...
	It degrades through that process and how hard it was on him.
	And then he ends up being, you know, swept up and taking this quarantine camp.
	But I was just watching that part.
	I'm like, that's like exactly what happened.
	Because I mean, I was looking at everything that the globalists were doing to all the misinformation about COVID they were putting out to scare people.
	And I mean, my ex was buying a lot of that and it caused a lot of problems in our relationship.
	So it's just crazy how people really are being torn apart I mean, and it's crazy that, you know, I have great admiration for you, Paul.
	I mean, I interviewed you at the Reawaken Festival, right?
	And the reason I have great admiration for you is because you didn't have to do this.
	You didn't have to literally jump into the Let's talk about jumping into the fire.
	I mean, you've had multiple violent acts committed against you for the stands you've taken.
	Tell us a little bit about that.
	What does the last three years look like for you?
	You talked about how you were pepper sprayed and maced and stuff.
	Tell us a little bit more about the events you've gone to and the things that have happened to you and the struggle in this fight against the tyranny.
	Yeah, well, I mean, I never in a million years thought I would get tear gassed for anything.
	I mean, I'm a pretty law-abiding citizen.
	I've never really had any other run-ins with the law other than traffic tickets.
	And it was just shocking to be standing outside doing something that I thought that I had the right to do, which is protest, and then all of a sudden not be able to breathe because I'm in a cloud of tear gas from a grenade that just exploded right next to me.
	And then All these other flashbang grenades are exploding around and people are getting shot with rubber bullets.
	It was just crazy.
	Nobody in my area, where I was, was being violent or doing anything to provoke the police.
	It seemed to me that it was the police that was provoking the crowd.
	And so that was really the first kind of violent act that had been committed against me as a result of standing up for my beliefs.
	And then coming back to the hotel and seeing a text from my best friend of a screenshot from this journalist who outed me and got me fired, it was pretty crazy.
	And then going from that to...
	Feeling like I was some kind of enemy of the state because I lawfully expressed my opinion on the election and what I believed.
	It's crazy.
	And then the FBI came to my house and they illegally entered my side yard and they put a bug outside my garage so they could monitor when I come home.
	It was crazy.
	It's a long story, but You know, just lots of crazy stuff like that.
	Lots of just online threats.
	You know, I got tons of hate mail.
	People, you know, say they were going to kill me and I should be just barred.
	I probably got... I don't even know.
	I venture to say probably like 60-something bar complaints filed against me with the Texas bar that I had to deal with.
	And it was a crazy, crazy time.
	Wow, wow. So, all right.
	So take us now, you know, take us through that journey.
	January 6th, you're out there protesting.
	Then you lose your job because...
	You know, of all these attacks online, you start your own firm, you start filing lawsuits.
	Take us from that point forward.
	Yeah. When I was out of a job, I got contacted by a few people that were putting together an election lawsuit.
	I worked on that for a while.
	I put everything I had into that lawsuit.
	Unfortunately, the guy who was organizing it all, he said he had all these cybersecurity experts lined up and had all this money coming in.
	I was lining up other lawyers to help me.
	It turns out he was a con artist.
	That was just another big hit I had to take.
	I ended up having to sell my house.
	I was just completely broke.
	I worked for six months with no income on that lawsuit.
	He kept promising me that I was going to get paid for my work so I could at least have something to live off of while I worked on the lawsuit.
	And then he just took all the money and last I heard, he escaped to Thailand.
	So it's like you can't make this stuff up.
	So I got hit pretty hard on all angles and the lawsuit was kind of the only thing that was emotionally keeping me going because I felt like I had a purpose.
	And then once the wheels came off that, I just sank into this horrible depression because it's like everything all at once.
	I mean, I lost my home. My fiance, my friends, my job, my career, all that stuff.
	I had no idea how to recover.
	It was a lot all at once.
	The only thing that kept me going, I was really hit rock bottom emotionally.
	I didn't really know I could even get that low.
	What really kept me going was just my faith in God.
	Wow, wow. So powerful, by the way.
	Sorry to pause here, but you're talking about, I want the viewers to understand what we're talking about here.
	You are knowingly walking into a path that is basically going to destroy your whole life.
	Basically rejiggle your whole life, take your life, shake it all up, everything's destroyed, and now you have to rebuild from scratch.
	That's what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, it was like...
	I actually remember I was at the Christian bookstore just looking for some inspiration because I just didn't even know how to handle all of it.
	I was so depressed and just was not prepared for anything like that.
	I picked up this one book that the subtitle said, you know, what to do when your life is so hopelessly crushed to pieces you can't see a way forward.
	So I picked that up and just started reading this.
	It was by Lisa Turkhurst called...
	It's not supposed to be this way.
	That was the book. And I read a lot of books on suffering and just God's purpose in it.
	And so that gave me some encouragement.
	And then I just didn't know what to do next with my life because everything was so hopelessly shattered.
	I didn't even know how to pick up the pieces.
	But I really felt when I prayed that...
	God was telling me, I just felt this strong urge just in my chest.
	You need to move forward with your own law firm.
	This was really crazy.
	That was really the last thing I wanted to do.
	I just felt like I had nothing left.
	I was thinking of going overseas and being a missionary.
	I had all these crazy ideas of what to do next.
	I just really felt strongly.
	I was like, start your own law firm.
	So I did. Then the very next week, I mean, you can't make this stuff up.
	The very next week, Biden announces the vaccine mandates.
	And guess what? My legal specialty is employment law.
	And so all of a sudden, I was like the only conservative employment lawyer in the country.
	I still think I'm probably the only conservative employment law specialist in the country.
	I haven't met another one yet or heard of another one.
	Could we pause there?
	Could we pause there real quick?
	Because, you know, this is the type of thing that I think a lot of people in the freedom movement have experienced.
	And what I mean by that is that, you know, your life is literally shattered.
	Step number one, right?
	This is the thing that I think a lot of us experience.
	You lose friends. You lose opportunities.
	Your whole past life, what, you know, your life was is now no more, right?
	Right. And then you're into this tunnel of darkness.
	You have no idea.
	You're going on faith alone.
	You're going on instinct alone.
	And then, like you said, all of a sudden, lo and behold, your expertise becomes the thing that is most needed.
	And then all of a sudden, you start to see the light in that moment of, wait a minute.
	God was leading. It was dark.
	It was dark, hopeless, depressing.
	And then all of a sudden, boom, there was the light.
	And that is a magical experience.
	I mean, I just wanted to pause there and acknowledge that because a lot of people that are going through this or that are too scared to go through this think, oh my goodness, I'm going to go into this like valley of darkness.
	I have no idea what the future holds.
	And then you see the fate, the destiny that God has put before you.
	I mean, what do you think about that statement?
	I completely agree with that.
	I mean, it was very clear to me that as painful as everything that I went through was, that I truly believe God never lets us suffer without a really good purpose.
	Because God will allow us to suffer.
	I mean, that's definitely biblical, but He always has a purpose in it and He never leaves us.
	in that place. So he had obviously prepared this task for me, which was to help people keep their jobs during the pandemic.
	Because as soon as Biden announced those vaccine mandates and employers started implementing them, my phone was ringing off the hook and I had no staff, no systems in place, no nothing.
	I just had a business card and the legal knowledge up here.
	I just had to figure everything out on the fly and I'm proud to say I was able to save hundreds and hundreds of jobs just by Writing letters, helping people fill out their exemption applications.
	And now we're suing employers who didn't end up granting these exemptions and suing a lot of other evil entities that are oppressing people these days.
	So I'm very thankful that God has put this purpose in front of me as difficult as it still is many times.
	So what is your central area of focus right now?
	What are the lawsuits that you are pursuing?
	Well, the bulk of our lawsuits are still lawsuits for wrongful termination against employers who did not...
	It's called failure to accommodate.
	They did not accommodate their employees' sincerely held beliefs that prevented them from getting the vaccine, religious beliefs, and then also people had medical conditions that prevented them from being vaccinated as well.
	We have some cases.
	Based on that, we've also...
	Pretty much any time...
	We'll take any case where somebody is being oppressed.
	I mean, that's what we do, civil rights, constitutional law.
	So I have a First Amendment case where the school board kicked out these parents and community members for expressing their views about the books, didn't apply the same rules to the people that, you know, talking about these pornographic books that are in our schools.
	I have a case like that.
	I have just filed an $18 million lawsuit against TSIS, which is the third largest payment processor because we're seeing this phenomenon where payment processors and banks are debanking conservatives.
	And so my client, the Patriot Voice, hosted conferences, hosted conservative conferences, and their payment processor kicked them off for being conservative.
	What else we got going on?
	We got... Let's see.
	That First Amendment lawsuit.
	Oh, social media lawsuits.
	There's a law against social media censorship in Texas.
	We have two lawsuits against meta platforms right now that we're litigating.
	I have a personal one against TikTok as well.
	Because they kicked me off. I had like 170,000 followers and they just kicked me off one day.
	That's happened to a lot of people. So we're trying just to fight back against all this tyranny.
	I'm sure I'm leaving one out.
	I'll think of it in a second. But we have quite a few lawsuits going on right now.
	I mean, you know, the thing that...
	We people don't talk about that much is the anti-capitalism nature of what you're talking about, right?
	So us at America Happens, we once had a YouTube or we had multiple YouTube channels where we had, you know, tens of thousands of subscribers, right?
	We had other social media platforms, all that cuss It costs money and time to build, right?
	Because time is money, and a lot of the time we're promoting these accounts and building them because we're trying to build our reach, which is what you do in capitalism, right?
	You build your business, you know?
	But if you are a radio host, let's say, in the United States of America, and you're putting out information that benefits the Chinese Communist Party and causes damage to the United States of America because it is pushing a certain level of tyranny, and you are getting paid by TikTok, aka the Chinese government, I mean, is there treason there?
	Are you really working for an enemy power at that point, since you are financially being compensated for pushing false information that is damaging to our Constitution and our rights?
	Yeah, I mean, I think you...
	The law is going to really have to catch up on that because the treason laws were made at a time when we didn't really have fifth generation warfare like we're seeing now, which is cyber warfare, psychological warfare, non-traditional warfare.
	Traditionally, treason would be waging war against the United States, which would I think we have to start looking at whether there do...
	I mean, I think there do need to be laws against assisting the enemy in psychological warfare.
	You know, that's kind of less...
	It's more nuanced. It's more difficult to prove a case, but I mean...
	That's really what we're seeing the Justice Department do to people on our side.
	They're locking up. Now they're saying they're going to put Owen Schroer in prison for 180 days or 120 days, whatever it is, for just his positions advocating We're good to go.
	So, okay, so now we get into this, you know, I guess a quagmire of sorts with our judicial branch, right?
	Because you're filing all these lawsuits, but we've noticed from looking at how the judicial branch moves, I mean, they're very selective in terms of who to prosecute, going after political enemies, you know, ignoring very obvious things like this, what we just talked about, where, you know, somebody is getting paid to push Chinese propaganda Push communist propaganda.
	That person's left alone.
	And again, we see that sort of selective enforcement of justice when it comes to what happened with the BLM riots.
	I mean, those people literally burning towns that didn't even get a slap on the wrist while people like Owen are being persecuted for what?
	Like freedom of speech, essentially?
	Yeah. Freedom of speech.
	Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is absolutely selective prosecution.
	I mean, this is... This is completely unprecedented.
	We've never seen a Justice Department so one-sided.
	I mean, I think you always see the Justice Department kind of follow the whims and the will of whoever's in power, but certainly not to this degree where you're just...
	I haven't read the articles yet.
	I've been busy the last 24 hours.
	I think Peter Navarro was convicted for contempt of Congress.
	He used executive privilege.
	This is a legal issue that you discuss with your lawyers.
	It's not a criminal matter.
	You know, to resist a congressional subpoena in that context, he had a good faith argument for it, and he shouldn't be put in jail for that.
	I mean, that's completely ridiculous.
	I mean, same thing with all these sedition charges, you know, like, I mean, everybody can see it.
	The DOJ is completely weaponized against conservatives, and we are living really under a soft form, and it's getting, you know, more and more firm every day of totalitarianism and one-party rule.
	That's what we're seeing. Well, well, I mean, is this all backfiring?
	Is there political persecution?
	Is there persecution of Donald Trump backfiring and having not the results that they would hope that they would have?
	Yeah, I mean, I think in the sense that every time he gets indicted, it seems pretty obvious he goes up in the polls.
	And I mean, you saw Donna Brazile on, I think it was CNN or MSNBC, I think it was CNN, the other day, just admitting Donald Trump is an unstoppable force.
	I mean, his... The MAGA movement, she was comparing it to, and this is the former DNC chair, Donna Brazile, political commentator, comparing it to the Reagan movement, comparing it to the Obama movement.
	She's like, this is a political movement.
	You're not going to be able to just stop it with traditional means.
	So I think that it is backfiring in that sense, for sure.
	And I think they've kind of exhausted all of their traditional...
	You know, conventional warfare, you know, conventional political warfare against Donald Trump and the movement.
	So now what are they going to do? Now they're going to literally try to put him in jail and or assassinate him.
	I think I really think there will be some kind of attempt because I think that's probably the only way they can stop him.
	And I think they're going to try to just suspend the elections in general.
	I mean, I saw a bit with Jack Posobiec the other day analyzing that situation.
	I was already thinking that.
	I was like, they're not going to let this election happen.
	There's going to be some emergency, whether it's the pandemic or World War III or a nuclear war or something like that.
	Any excuse to suspend these elections so that there's no transfer of power.
	I think they're getting that desperate at this point.
	It's like you kill Donald Trump, we're going into war.
	You don't kill Donald Trump, we're going into war.
	You let Joe Biden become president again through fraud, we're going into war.
	You let Trump become president.
	And then the other side, the Soros or whatever, will push their propaganda to lead us into war.
	However way I look at it, this is going to end in war.
	What's your thoughts on that? I completely agree.
	And I think people need to be prepared for that.
	We have so many people that I know personally have such a normalcy bias that things are just going to keep going on as normal.
	And I mean, not that anything's really normal, but I guess it's like the new normal, right?
	They think that it's just going to stay in this new normal.
	And it's not great, but I can survive.
	I think that...
	Things are going to move that way.
	The people in power are desperate to maintain their grip on power.
	They know that we the people are waking up.
	They know that We're good to go.
	I think they're going to have to ratchet it up.
	They're going to have to escalate things to a point where we do have a war and that gives them an excuse to use war powers and declare martial law.
	One way or another, I completely agree we're going to have some kind of war because these people are psychopaths and they're desperate to hang on to power.
	That's really the only card they have left to play, I think.
	Wow, wow. So, Paul, okay.
	Now, in terms of what the future holds for you, how are your lawsuits going?
	What are the avenues that you feel as though are working?
	What's not working?
	And, you know, any commentary about how the judicial branch, lawyers, the bar is handling all of the above?
	Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, I don't have a whole lot of confidence in our courts right now.
	I've never, you know, I mean, I think until all this happened, I don't think I'd ever really lost a significant motion or anything before a court.
	I've never lost a case.
	I mean, you know, some cases I maybe settled for...
	Less than I would have liked to or more than I would have liked to, but, you know, never really full out, just lost a case.
	And, you know, all of our cases are still, or most all of our cases are still pending, but, you know, I've lost some motions that I just, I thought we were on very solid ground.
	And, you know...
	It's like the courts just because.
	They never really have a good reason.
	For instance, we recently had both of our social media lawsuits down in Texas, social media censorship lawsuits transferred to the Northern District of California, San Francisco Division, which is Meta's backyard, one of the most liberal leftist jurisdictions in the entire United States.
	How well do you think that's going to go?
	That's because...
	Facebook, Meta, Instagram, they have a form selection clause that you have to agree to as part of your user agreement, which is...
	It's a take it or leave it thing.
	You can't use the service unless you agree to it.
	And the only reason that's in there is to oppress you.
	And it completely goes against Texas public policy, which is what we argued.
	And I think we should have won that.
	And the judges didn't agree and transferred it to California, where these cases are probably going to die and we'll have to appeal to the Ninth Circuit.
	So it's just... There was another...
	I got another...
	That First Amendment case I filed for the parents getting kicked out of the school board meeting.
	The judge has just been sitting on that for an entire year.
	All the briefing was completed as of last September.
	We can't get any relief because the judge won't even move on it.
	I mean, I understand the federal courts are backed up, but it's just like...
	Things that I would have thought were a sure thing before, you know, people always ask me, well, what are the chances of winning this lawsuit and stuff?
	I was like, well, I mean, legally, if I always say, if the judge applies the law, then you probably have like an 80% chance of winning or more.
	But I can't, I can't really say that with confidence these days, because judges are, you know, the outcome is so heavily determined on who you get as a judge.
	And even people like that, we would think would be good, like people appointed by Donald Trump, like that, That judge in D.C. just sends, what's his name, the Proud Boys guy to 17 or 22 years.
	But the Trump judge sends that other guy to 17 years.
	And it's just hard to comprehend.
	It's pretty clear. If you watch the Blood Money podcast, we've got a lot of episodes on this in terms of why our judicial branch is broken.
	I definitely have very strong feelings about it.
	I think all evidence-based feelings, all logical.
	But let me ask you, why is our judicial branch clearly so broken?
	You know, I think there's a...
	You know, when you go to law school, you're going to get a lot of left-wing bias in your law school.
	So I think it takes a pretty determined and just mentally tough person to get through all that without...
	You know, without being brainwashed.
	So I think you have a lot of judges that are just drinking the Kool-Aid.
	Judges want to be accepted in society.
	I mean, they're people just like everybody else.
	They want to be able to go out to dinner and not be harassed and not have a mob show up at their house.
	And so I think a lot of these judges are just taking the path of least resistance.
	They know that if they...
	For instance, I was thinking of that judge.
	It wasn't like a judicial judge, but in Michigan, one of the election commission people tried to stand up and say, I'm not going to certify this election because it's obviously not correct.
	The result is impossible.
	It doesn't match the voter rolls. And look what happened.
	They had a mob at their house.
	They had people on social media sending them death threats.
	And judges just don't want to deal with that.
	And so I think you're just seeing people take...
	The path of least resistance, I think that's part of it.
	I think the other part is just these left-wing institutions are brainwashing our judiciary and propagandizing them and propagandizing the lawyers involved as well.
	It's a mess. There's very few conservative lawyers out there, which is one reason I'm trying to develop materials where people can just teach themselves how to be I mean, we talk about AI. What if every single judge in this country was replaced by AI that is programmed to understand the Constitution?
	And AI can't be cowards because, frankly, you know, let's be real here.
	These judges are flat-out cowards because if you're given the judge position and you're worried about cocktail parties, you're worried about being accepted, you should not be a judge.
	You should not be a judge. And, you know, people...
	That have read the Bible, that understand the lineage of why we have judges, what it means to be a judge.
	Part of that is courage.
	Part of that is standing up for what is right.
	But it seems as though, no, we're dealing with a bunch of cowards.
	Hence and therefore, doesn't it make sense?
	We're talking about AI across all kinds of fields, right?
	Doesn't it make sense to replace every single judge with AI that is programmed to obey the Constitution?
	And hey, if Antifa gets pissed off at that AI, then they could do death threats to the AI, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, it's certainly...
	I mean, it's an interesting idea, and I think it could be good, but, you know, it's just...
	AI is just... It's scary to me, because it's like you have to have somebody programming that, so who gets to program the AI that's going to be the, like, traditional AI? Benjamin Franklin.
	Benjamin Franklin, yeah.
	It's like we could bring back Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin from the dead and to program all of that, but...
	Andrew Jackson, I mean, let's just bring the spirit of the founders right into that AI and make it like, you know, I mean, it's all about who programs the AI, right?
	Because if the AI is programmed to be a commie AI, then it's a commie AI. If the AI is programmed to be a founding fathers AI, then it's a founding fathers AI. Yeah, yeah.
	Which, I mean, it's just going to go back to the fundamental dispute in this country about whether we want to be a constitutional republic or, you know, some kind of a democrat socialist.
	You know, that's obviously a euphemism for just, I mean, there's no difference between democrat socialism and, or democratic socialism and socialism.
	You know, it's all inevitably going to lead to communism, whether you have, you know, an oligarchical Dictatorship or a tyrannical rule by the majority, you still end in the same place.
	You're oppressing people's fundamental rights.
	There's no really good answer to that.
	I don't really know how we solve this whole problem.
	I almost think we're at a point where states...
	I think we are at a point where states need to just stand up and say...
	This is not what we signed up for.
	We need to go back to the basics of the Constitution.
	We need to get rid of all of these federal bureaucracies that are basically a government unto themselves and operate outside the Constitution.
	And we kind of need our own just reset.
	I hate to use that word, but we need to reset on the Constitution and just get back to basics.
	And that's why I actually...
	One of my biggest clients is the Texas nationalist movement, which is trying to get a referendum placed on the ballot in Texas for Texans to vote as to whether we want to remain part of the United States because we think the federal government has absolutely breached its agreement to Texas, to other states to provide a constitutional Republican form of government.
	So I don't know if the federal government will wake up What do you think is going to happen in terms of, you know, tangible steps?
	Is Texas going to secede?
	Is that going to cause a domino reaction?
	Where do you think this is all going in the next couple of years?
	I really think that is what's going to happen.
	I don't know if it's going to be Texas or Florida or some other state.
	Probably Texas is the most likely just because it's kind of in our blood down here.
	You know, we used to be our own constitutional republic for nine years after fighting a war for independence against Mexico.
	I mean, people in my generation still were taught that in schools, and the vast majority of Texans were taught that in school and remember that.
	And so we have a very strong sense of just identity here as far as being sovereign and not beholden to a tyrannical federal government.
	So I do think that you'll see a state like Texas secede at some point, declare their independence, and then you'll probably see other states follow suit. And then that probably is a pretty likely scenario, I'd say. I mean, some people think that's crazy, but the worse and worse things get, the more and more appealing that is going to be to your average person. I do not want to be living under this tyrannical federal government. I trust my state way more than I
	trust the federal government. And so I think we'll probably see a coalition of red states just take a stand, and maybe we just have a national divorce.
	I mean, that would be the most peaceful revolution.
	It's like, okay, everybody just go to your red state, go to your blue state, and we'll just have a national divorce and call it a day.
	It was nice while it lasted, but we obviously cannot continue to cohabitate like this.
	I think this marriage has run its course.
	Yeah. So it seems as though red states would want to keep certain values, family, faith, freedom, while the blue states don't want to hold those values.
	And frankly, those states turn into shitholes, right?
	So is there a scenario here where there's a national divorce, all the red states do very well, and then we just buy up all the land that is now, you know, worth pennies on the dollar because they just destroyed that state and nobody wants to live in that state.
	And then essentially we reformulate The U.S. as a country, as a government, through this process?
	I mean, I know we're talking about potentially a decade or two down the line, but do you see something like that come into fruition?
	I think really anything's possible at this point.
	I don't think you can say something is beyond possibility because there are so many different scenarios we could end up in, but I think that's a very realistic possibility.
	And I think that if we did have A national divorce, it would very quickly become apparent how horrible an ideology socialism and communism are, because once people actually live under it, they will find out very quickly it is not what they thought it was.
	It's not this magical utopia where everybody is equal and And while we would all love for that to be the case, that's never what happens.
	It's all a ruse to get you to give up your own individual autonomy to the government and become a pawn of the state.
	Everything's for the greater good, but who gets to decide what the greater good is?
	And so I think when people actually start living under that, we're going to see...
	I mean, you saw like East versus West Germany, right?
	It's like West Berlin, you look out and everything's prosperous and And clean, you know, comparatively speaking.
	And then you look across the Berlin Wall and you had just, you know, buildings, decrepit buildings, and it's just gray and lifeless and people are depressed.
	And so it's like, I think that's probably, we would see that on a larger scale in the United States.
	And then, yeah, maybe, you know, the liberal United States, the United States of communism or socialism or the People's Republic of the United States, whatever they're going to call it.
	Whatever they would call it, would collapse.
	And then, you know, maybe we can all be a happy family once again at some point in the future when people actually wake up to the fact that this never worked.
	It never has.
	I mean, it's just like, it is mind-blowing how communism and socialism are even still a thing.
	They've miserably failed everywhere they've been tried, but people still buy into it for whatever reason.
	It's a very, you know, pernicious, just...
	I don't know. It's a horrible ideology that people continue to believe, even though it makes no sense.
	Yeah, yeah. I think there's a hatred and jealousy for people that have the foundation that you have, that I have.
	We are hated, I think, because of the foundation we have.
	And it seems as though, and I hate to use sharp words like this, but at this point, There is really no other way I could explain it, which is that, you know, it seems as though the propaganda has created a conglomerate of losers, I'm sorry to say, conglomerate of losers that want to achieve the same things that people like you and I, you know, we work, I know you work 16 hours a day.
	I already know you do that, just by the way you're talking.
	I know I work 16 hours a day.
	I know my partners work 16 hours a day.
	And we are fighting every single day.
	Yet we see these individuals that don't work 16 hours a day, that are inherently lazy, that just want shit.
	They want shit. They want the same shit that you and I have and the people that bust our ass every day have for nothing.
	They just feel like they're entitled to.
	Yeah, I think that's the appeal of communism is that people think that the government's going to take care of them and they're going to equalize everything.
	And they think they have this victim mentality where if they don't have something, it's unfair and it's somebody else's fault.
	And instead of looking in the mirror and saying, well, what can I do to make my dreams come true?
	I mean, God gave us each talents and abilities.
	So often it's just people that won't do the work, won't take the risks, won't put themselves out there, end up being jealous of the people that do.
	And so you have this resentment, I think, among people that just don't have a sense of personal responsibility and this victim mindset, and so they just think they're entitled.
	That type of person is always going to...
	Communism is always going to appeal to that type of person because they want something for nothing.
	But then when the reality hits, then they realize very quickly that that isn't what they wanted.
	Life is not what they thought it was going to be.
	It is funny to see...
	The outrage when leftists actually get their way.
	I saw an article this morning that I think it was some legislator up in...
	I want to say it was Michigan.
	I can't remember. But one of these liberals that was out there saying to defund the police got...
	Maybe it was San Francisco.
	I think it was San Francisco. Got assaulted, carjacked.
	And was like, there needs to be accountability for these criminals.
	It's like, aren't you the same person that said we should defund the police and not have police?
	Yeah. So it's just, you know, people, when they get what they are asking for, very often, it's not what they thought it was.
	Yeah, yeah. So, Paul, you obviously have a very different point of view, right?
	You're in a pool of leftist lawyers.
	You're obviously made differently, right?
	How was Paul the man made?
	When you're growing up, what happened during your learning years of going to high school, college, that formed who you are and formed the point of views that you have and make you so passionate about fighting this tyranny?
	Well, you know, I have a very faith-filled mother who raised me with those values, prayed a lot for me.
	And then I, you know, it's interesting if you look at me versus my brother, because I'm very conservative, very just, you know, have traditional American values.
	That are my values. And my brother is completely the opposite.
	He's a dyed-in-the-wool communist, loves Bernie Sanders, and now he's transgender.
	Are you serious?
	Do you have a transgender brother?
	Oh, wow. I have a transgender cousin too.
	My cousin actually got a sex change operation.
	My brother hasn't got to that point quite yet.
	I'm curious, how's your cousin after doing the sex change operation?
	How is he, she, like, what is the, and I don't say that to make fun of the person, but like, I want to make sure I cover the bases and stuff, you know?
	What is, I mean, what is their point of view?
	Are they happy they did that?
	Is there any regret to it?
	You know, I'm not very close with that cousin, so it's hard to tell.
	I mean, that's one that does live here in Dallas.
	Most of my extended family lives like in New England on the East Coast.
	That's my mom's side of the family.
	This one's from my dad's side of the family.
	And, you know, it's a man that Got a sex change and now identifies as a female.
	And I don't know.
	I mean, this person was always depressed.
	So I don't think that getting a sex change really has changed that.
	I think that the appeal is, and I can see it in my brother as well, it's just like, because they don't have God in their life, they are looking for something.
	They're looking to fill that hole.
	We were all created for a relationship with God.
	The Bible is very clear about that.
	And so when you don't engage in a relationship with God, you have a void that you have to fill.
	And so I think a lot of people are finding, well, what is wrong with me?
	Why don't I feel satisfied?
	Why don't I feel good about myself?
	And then it's like someone tells them, oh, you were supposed to be...
	You were a man, but you were supposed to be a woman.
	You were born into the wrong body, which is just completely irrational on its face if you really just think about it.
	It's like these people don't believe in a God, but they think that they were supposed to be a different gender.
	Well, who supposed that?
	Where did that even come from?
	But the bottom line is...
	The point is they think that...
	By doing this transition, that is finally going to be what fulfills them.
	And then they find that's actually not the case.
	They have this, I think, euphoric sense at first where everything is all great.
	Oh, this is great.
	This is what I was always intending to do.
	And then they realize it's not all it's cracked up to be.
	It didn't really change a whole lot.
	They're still depressed. Yeah.
	So, I think that is what's going on with, you know, still call him him.
	He's a biological male, just had his, you know, parts cut off.
	So, I think that's what's going on there.
	Wow, wow. I mean, are you finding that, is there an overwhelming number of people that are going down this path?
	Is there more of them than us?
	I mean, what's your kind of prognosis on that?
	I've heard that it's now up to, I don't know, among the youth, like Gen Z and millennials, it's like 25% of people now, which is crazy.
	And that's not organic.
	It's a result of propaganda.
	They're trying to claim, oh, well, it was just always suppressed before.
	It's like, no, now you're just out there telling people that they were born into the wrong body as a means of It's a religion.
	That's the force that it has when it really captures people's minds.
	Elon Musk referred to it last week or whenever it was.
	He said that he was paying $50,000 a year to this prestigious prep school that brainwashed his kid and gave him a woke mind virus.
	I think it's his son wanting to become a woman or maybe it's the other way around.
	You know, it's just like it is.
	It's like a woke mind virus.
	That's a great way to put it.
	And these people think that it's going to somehow this is going to fulfill them.
	And it's just a lie.
	But I wouldn't say it's a majority yet.
	But it's, you know, the way they're going, they're going pretty hard after these kids.
	So I think if we continue down this path, I think transgender will eventually be a majority, which is just crazy.
	But that's that's the power of propaganda, you know, and they're brainwashing an entire generation.
	Okay, so this might seem like a strange question, right?
	But how much of this is George W. Bush's fault?
	And what I mean by that is that we don't really talk about George W. Bush.
	They try to make Barack Obama be the bad person.
	He's trying to destroy the United States.
	But what I noticed from the George W. Bush years is that through creating a fake war, the lies that were clearly lies, right?
	And there was a lot of really shocking, emotionally shocking things that happened.
	For example, you know, the hanging of Saddam Hussein on Christmas Eve or whenever it was seemed like a very negative act to do when you're basically with your family, right?
	So we see this. We see the housing crisis.
	We see financial issues.
	We see essentially parents not even having time to parent or helicopter parenting their kids.
	And then the government, therefore, becomes the biggest influence on these kids.
	So what I saw in the George W. Bush years is a groundwork to these hopeless children, to children that were not raised with families, that were raised with, hey, a president that lies bold-faced, and that was okay, and he wasn't even prosecuted.
	So this skewed morality seems like it was introduced during those years.
	What do you think about the effect that had on the current generation?
	I think it has a profound effect.
	I mean, I'm the first person to tell you that I think the Bush family is probably the most evil family in the United States.
	I mean, they have a lot of good competition, right?
	The Rockefellers and the Obamas and the Clintons and the Bidens, of course.
	But the Bush family has done, I'd say, just as much as any of those families to destroy this country.
	I mean, you had... I think, I mean, George H.W. Bush, you know, Mr.
	CIA guy, I mean, I think he did a lot to, I mean, I remember a speech he gave when I was a kid where he was talking about how we need to move towards a new world order.
	And that was really the first time I'd ever heard of that.
	And then George W. Bush, I mean, gosh, that guy, I mean, he should be tried for war crimes.
	I really think that They were on the inside with 9-11.
	I mean, there's a lot there.
	There's a lot there. And the whole passing the Patriot Act to turn this country into a police state, it had a lot to do with that.
	And then, of course, certainly you're referring to the educational initiatives.
	And this is all... I mean, the Bushes...
	They're globalists. They're part of this movement basically to dumb down our population, to brainwash our kids.
	I think that whole no child left behind thing was part of that.
	My monitor went off back there.
	There we go. I think that is really where this...
	I don't know if it's where it started, but they definitely went a long way towards corrupting our educational system more than it already was.
	I think prior to the Bush administration, the propaganda was mostly in colleges and universities that had really been taken over, but I think the Bush administration did a lot to Move that same ideology, that propaganda into our elementary schools and our K-12 schools, basically.
	That's my perception anyway.
	What we see there is all of a sudden the Europeans are now having a lot of issues with, quote-unquote, multiculturalism via the Iraqis.
	Was that a part of this calamity that we're dealing with in terms of the globalists realizing that the way you destabilize a nation is by starting these wars, is by influx of immigration, and now we're seeing that same thing repeated, which happened in the early 2000s, but repeated in the United States with this influx of illegal immigrants?
	Oh, it's obviously a very effective method to bring in people to other countries that have no understanding, they have no basis of the values of that country, basically to take away that country's identity.
	I think that's exactly what happened.
	It was very effective.
	You saw very strong, robust, free, constitutional republic countries descending into tyranny because you have so many people coming in from war-torn Muslim countries.
	These wars were...
	Essentially started by people like the Bushes who are very in deep with the military industrial complex and make a ton of money off these wars.
	Basically, it's like they go find an excuse to go bomb the crap out of Baghdad and Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran.
	And then they just destroy these countries.
	Syria is what I meant to say, rather than Iran.
	They destroy these countries, and then Halliburton gets the contract to go rebuild them.
	They make billions of dollars, and it's all this corrupt military-industrial complex.
	And then it has the dual effect of, then you have this mass migration from the Muslim world to the European world.
	And I got to see that firsthand, actually.
	I was involved with a church called Antioch Community Church in Houston.
	It's actually the main one's out of Waco, where I went to college.
	But they had a huge missionary initiative to go over and engage with these Muslim refugees coming into Europe because it's like, wow, this is...
	Actually, when things like that happen, I mean, God still has a huge purpose in that.
	And we saw in that movement hundreds of thousands of Muslims turning their lives to Jesus.
	So that's a positive thing that came out of that.
	But the negative, it's like you have all these people that overwhelm those countries, cultures, and now they don't really have a strong national identity anymore, so it makes it very easy to topple.
	And yeah, that's exactly what they're doing in the United States now.
	I think there's some UN papers out there that I've seen from think tanks and stuff talking about how, well, when you have all these problems in these third world countries, it's basically the goal is to get all these people, mass migration into the United States, basically to get the United States on board with the globalist agenda as well.
	They have to dilute our national identity in order to get us to go along with this globalist agenda.
	So, okay, out of all the individuals that are responsible for this, who are the ones that you think should be at least investigated for whether it's treason, whether it's crimes against the United States?
	Who are the people that we need to focus on?
	And by the way, if you're not comfortable saying this, because I realize you're still, you got the bar over your head.
	But, you know, what is the solution to this?
	Is there a solution to this? Is there a path to solving these problems?
	I mean, as far as the people responsible, I mean, the usual suspects, it's like, like I said, like the Bush family, obviously.
	Which, by the way, a lot of people don't know this.
	I mean, Prescott Bush ran a financial front for the Nazi party in the United States.
	That's how the Bush family started making money.
	And then, of course, you got...
	George H.W. and George W. being skull and bones people, which is another globalist cult, basically.
	John Kerry.
	It's like Bush versus Kerry.
	All these people are skull and bones people.
	You have George Soros, obviously.
	A lot to blame there.
	Bill Gates, the Clinton family, the Obamas, the Bidens.
	All these people are...
	Mark Zuckerberg, you know, obviously is culpable.
	So, I mean, I think at some point you have to have a government that's willing to prosecute these people.
	I mean, nothing ever happens to them.
	It's like people were put in prison for...
	Far less than what Hillary Clinton did with her email servers.
	I mean, people act like that's not a big deal.
	It absolutely was a big deal.
	I mean, she was conducting illicit business on a private server that she was not authorized to use.
	I mean, it's just closing nationally, passing sensitive information.
	So, I don't know. You're going to have to have, I think, really...
	I mean, if Trump is able to get back in, you know, I know people have their problems with Trump and the vaccines and all that, which I think is, I think, honestly, I think people need to get over that.
	Like, it's, I think he had a lot of bad information, a lot of bad advisors around him.
	I don't think that makes him an evil person that he didn't.
	Do a good job with the pandemic.
	He's the only person out there I see that really has the wherewithal and has the resolve to destroy the globalist deep state.
	Maybe he is a plant.
	Maybe I'm wrong.
	Maybe people are right that he's secretly a globalist.
	I just don't see that.
	I think you either need to have Trump back in power.
	He said he's willing to prosecute these people.
	You need to have somebody like that that will actually hold The Clintons and all these folks accountable for their crimes or it's just going to keep going.
	And if we don't get Trump back in office, I think that the solution is red states are going to have to secede and we're going to have to form our own constitutional republic that operates the way that our framers intended it to operate, which is not what we're doing right now.
	Yeah. According to the original 13th Amendment, we're supposed to have lawyers, esquires, people with titles of nobility in the legislature.
	Hence, there'd be proper checks and balances.
	But you have two branches of government basically held hostage by the bar because they're filled with bar agents.
	I don't even call them attorneys or esquires.
	I apologize if that's insulting, but the reason I say that is because they are beholden to the bar.
	When you're not holding judges accountable for doing clearly unconstitutional things, which we've seen a plethora of in the last three years, and these guys have their eyes closed, and lo and behold, they also happen to be attorneys I see an inherent issue there with checks and balances that unless we fix that, we will not have an uncorruptible judicial branch.
	Your thoughts on that? Yeah.
	I mean, the state bars are obviously a huge problem because at the end of the day, they are holding your livelihood over your head.
	I mean, it's very stressful to deal with a bar complaint.
	Because you're thinking, man, this small group of people could just decide to strip me of my ability to make a living in my chosen profession.
	And that's not really...
	It's not constitutional.
	I mean, the 14th Amendment, nobody shall be deprived of life, liberty, and property without due process.
	And... You know, it's like, there's a lot of that going on right now.
	I mean, I can give you an example of a case I'm about to file.
	This isn't the legal bar, but this is the Texas Medical Board suspended one of my client's licenses to practice medicine because he wouldn't go along with the mask mandate.
	And he's a ears, nose and throat doctor.
	So he knows a little something about airways.
	And But when you have an organization like that, like the bar, the medical boards that are threatening to take away your livelihood if you step out of line, I mean, yeah, you're right.
	That is a huge problem.
	That's why you don't see...
	More lawyers taking a stand.
	I think there's a lot more conservative, patriot-minded lawyers out there that hold our views, but they're just not at the point where they're willing to give up their luxury car and their nice house, like I was, to stand up and do something.
	I can speak from experience.
	It has been really, really difficult.
	I almost did not make it.
	I mean, I almost gave up several times.
	And it's very difficult when you stick your neck out there.
	But yeah, that's a huge problem.
	Obviously, the bar just holding all of that power over you to control how you practice your profession.
	I mean, I'm curious, knowing what you know now, would you have done?
	I mean, you gave up. Wealth.
	You gave up your house, your car, your fiance.
	I mean, you pretty much lost everything, right?
	Would you, given the opportunity, would you change anything if you had to do it again?
	Uh, that's a, it's a great question.
	Um, it's a hard one to answer sometimes because I had a really nice life.
	I really did. I had, I had, I was just thinking, I'm like, man, 2020, I mean, it was a rough year for so many people because of the pandemic.
	It was probably the best year of my life.
	Cause it's like, I finally got engaged.
	I was able to, I paid off all my law school loans and I found I was able to buy a house and, you know, had this really cushy in-house job that I loved.
	It was really the first time I had Just looked forward to going to work.
	And I really had it made.
	I mean, my fiance was beautiful.
	Our group of friends was just amazing, or so I thought.
	And I was really happy.
	And I'm not going to lie.
	I mean, there's times where I'm just like, man.
	I really miss all of that.
	Maybe I could have just enjoyed that a little bit longer.
	All that stuff is temporary.
	People have to remember.
	You're not going to be able to take any of that with you.
	If you believe in God, which I think it's pretty hard not to if you just look at just how amazing creation is, the idea that all of this came about.
	accidentally is preposterous to me. I mean, it's literally a mathematical impossibility if you really study it. And so I think you have to just remember, like, we're not living for the things of this world. We're living for eternity. And so as hard as it is, you know, I mean, I believe that I'm on the path that God has for me and I just have to trust that.
	And my decisions were made because...
	I made the decisions I made because of my faith in God, because of the values that I have.
	So whether I... I just don't think I could have done it any other way because I have such strong...
	I'm just not the type of person that's going to go against my beliefs to be comfortable.
	It's just not in me.
	As much as I miss all of those worldly comforts and things, and as lonely as my life gets now, and as hard as it is to think, if we had a bad month, how am I going to pay the bills?
	Whereas I had a very cushy job that I never had to worry about money before.
	It's like... You know what?
	It's worth it to pursue God's will for my life.
	And that's ultimately what's going to make me happy and fulfilled.
	So I don't think I would do it any other way.
	So there's almost no way to exist within such communities if you have an independent mind, because it seems like if you don't go with the herd, And it's this very communist attitude.
	If you don't go with the herd, then you're, you know, you're talked about badly.
	You're, you're looked upon badly.
	So it's almost, I guess the point I was trying to make is we were faced with a choice between living a lie, right?
	You know, with all these friends pretending to be something that we're not literally living a lie our entire lives versus just being truthful with ourselves.
	That's exactly right.
	Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know, I was just thinking of the Matthew, I think it's Matthew, is it 18?
	I can't remember. But, you know, I want to store up treasures in heaven and not treasures on earth.
	And it's just...
	That is how you have to look at it.
	Like I said, we can't take any of this with you.
	To me, it's not worth living my life.
	I would much rather have nothing.
	I think Proverbs says it's better to have the little that the righteous have You know, live in excess and be wicked.
	I mean, because you're going to be tortured inside.
	You're not going to be a happy person.
	You're basically just going to be continually trying to fill that God-sized hole in your heart, trying to satisfy yourself with earthly things, which is not how we were created to live.
	So, you know, as difficult as...
	Things can be when you take a stand.
	It's worth it in the end because we are going to be rewarded in heaven.
	I think you're going to be happier if you just live with a clear conscience and you're true to the values that you believe in rather than living a lie.
	You're not going to be happy that way.
	Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about Tiananmen Square real quick because we talk about fifth generational war, right?
	And it seems as though another version of fifth generation war was essentially what happened in Tiananmen Square.
	I don't know if it was so... See, I don't know if we were propagandizing China and Hong Kong at the time with, you know, freedom, democracy, all that stuff.
	But that seemed to have been a version of that where people actually stood up and demanded their freedom and they were squashed for it.
	And by the way, George W. H.W. Bush did nothing.
	Pretty much supported that, the tyranny, which tells us what he's all about.
	Now, in terms of this fifth generation war, some people like Boone Cutler that we've spoken to recently is like, we need to reverse this.
	We need to fifth generation war them because we actually have freedom, liberty, faith on our side.
	And that's what we need to do to them and change what is happening in their country, just like we had done for many years, just like what led to Tiananmen Square.
	What do you think about that? What's happened in China is very much a cautionary tale for the United States because they allowed...
	I think a great documentary for people to watch that I would encourage everybody to watch is the Plandemic 3 Great Awakening documentary by Mickey Willis, part of that Plandemic series.
	It's PlandemicSeries.com.
	That really gives you a good historical foundation into what happened in China And what led to their totalitarian society that we see today.
	And I think people really, really need to understand that.
	And that is what, that's the same thing that they're trying to do here in the United States.
	They're trying to bring us into that type of society.
	And, you know, that's, that's really the model for, for globalism, just this kind of, uh, A totalitarian society enforced by technology.
	You can call it a technocracy if you want.
	And they have to get the United States out of the way because we're really kind of the last major power standing up against that.
	And so I think that's why we have seen just these globalists that really want to bring us into a one-world totalitarian government like the Bushes.
	Not standing up against what's going on in China and just kind of looking the other way.
	I mean, you see the Biden administration looking the other way on the oppression of the Uyghurs and just all the oppression you see in China because they're for it.
	And obviously, Biden's getting millions of dollars from China anyway.
	So he's certainly not going to be the one that stands up against it.
	So not sure if that answers your question, but that's my view on that.
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