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Oct. 1, 2023 - Blood Money
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Scumbag Nevada Judges that MURDER for Profit w/ Katherine Hine, Steve Sanson, etc
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All right, welcome to the latest episode of Blood Money.
Today, we're actually exploring one of our favorite topics, which is corruption within our courts.
Now, this particular episode has to do with predatory probate, which is essentially taking people's estates, taking elderly individuals through nursing homes, essentially taking their estates and also driving them to death, more or less.
But basically, you know, Taking everything these people have, including their lives.
And this is something that's going on within our courts with so-called professionals that are supposed to help these individuals that are nonetheless part of this entire world of corruption.
So before we dive right into it, let's start with the guests introducing themselves and a brief bio on who each person is, starting with Catherine on the top left-hand corner.
I'm Katherine Hine.
I was an attorney for 42 some years in the system before finally discovering what a hoax it was and resigned in 2019.
I'm currently a member of and helping administer a common law court in Ohio.
And I'm advocating now for Predatory probate victim, Roger Hilligus, who's currently being tortured in the Reno, Nevada jail.
And for the viewers that are not aware, we've actually done a couple of episodes with Catherine Heine, especially having to do with the last episode we did was about setting up common law courts.
And the significance of setting up common law courts is that our current courts, our corporate courts, this is why they're stinking corrupt.
This is why we keep hearing horror stories about the Constitution being violated, about all sorts of evil occurring within these courts.
And Catherine has a solution to that, which is to set up common law courts Which are supposed to abide by the Constitution versus the current system that we're in right now.
Next person, Steve Sanson.
If you could introduce yourself, Steve.
Sure. My name is Steve Sanson.
I'm president of Veterans and Politics International.
And what we do is we champion legislation for veterans' rights.
We educate the public on candidates running for elected seats.
And we expose public corruption.
And if I could just add something a little bit there.
We also have episodes with Steve Sanson.
Steve Sanson has been one of the, frankly, heroic characters in our state that has gone after corrupt judges, corrupt lawyers relentlessly.
And he is, I think, the person standing in the front lines To stop this corruption that's happening.
So there's a big history with Steve Sanson.
And what's interesting about Steve Sanson is that if you look up his name, if you Google his name, you'll find a lot of bad things written by the mainstream media, which honestly at this point is like a red flag that actually Steve is doing a lot of right things because they are coming after him.
And by the way, some of the scumbag judges that he has gone after and the lawyers he has gone after, they speak very highly about individuals that have destroyed lives Are spoken about very highly in the mainstream media.
So that tells you a lot about the mainstream media, which obviously America happens, our brand, is built upon the idea of rage against mainstream media.
Frankly, because they are not working for the interests of we the people, and they are part of we the elite.
And Steve Sanson has been heroic enough to fight a lot of these scumbags.
Next person. Thank you, Bill.
No problem, any day. Yes, I'm Matthew Scarlatis.
I am from Fairfax County, Virginia.
I know Roger Hilligus for many years on a personal now as well as legal level through probate guardianship.
I lost my father to the probate courts in 2018.
Can you tell us a little bit about how you lost your father's in those probate courts?
My sister and I... Attempted to get co-guardianship of our father in 2015 when his second wife took ill.
And she was hospitalized for almost five months with chronic COPD issues.
She was on a ventilator and at that time we were informed that she probably wouldn't make it.
And we needed to convene the family to look after our father, who, by the way, we were told by our stepmother before she went into hospital that he had less than six months to live.
He was in hospice. And little did we know that there were nefarious circumstances with his care.
Unlicensed care professionals in the home My sister and I had a lot of issues on a personal level with our stepmother's care of our father.
But to make a long story short, we needed to get representation through council because we didn't have a leg to stand on.
My dad didn't have any directives.
And we had to basically find out how we could help them best.
And the only way we could do that is through legal help.
Ended up culminating in a probate guardianship arrangement, which was not what we wanted.
Our attorneys basically told us that our stepmother was coming out of hospital.
She had a will that was in question, but under the circumstances, based on Virginia Commonwealth law, our Endeavors to help our father were slim to none because we didn't have legal directives behind it.
He didn't put us in a trust or a will.
And co-guardianship, which we were told initially by our counselors being very solid, were now next to nothing.
And the only best solution was a probate guardian, getting a guardianship in place And we would have full transparency and we would have access to our father any time of day or night.
And this is when our nightmare really began because everything that we had in the drawn up agreement failed at every level.
They ended up, you know, rebuking us or not allowing us to see our father when we started noticing issues of injuries and we had a witness take us aside from the hospital who was another resident's spouse who said that she witnessed our father being physically abused by two nurses.
And we reported it to the administrators.
We reported it to our guardian, our father's guardian.
And she, in essence, told us that if you don't cease and desist, I'm going to make sure that you don't see your father.
I mean, isn't that kidnapping?
Isn't that trafficking?
Tell me what the legal definition is of what those people did to your dad.
Essentially it is kidnapping.
In hindsight, we made a lot of mistakes.
Unlike Roger Hillegas, whose parents had directives and a proper trust, we were vulnerable because we didn't have those things and we were relying on the system.
To basically give us guidance.
And we trusted our attorneys.
And our attorneys fooled us.
Yeah. Wow, wow. So, I mean, there's shades of things we've heard a lot on this podcast.
By the way, Matt, if you can mute yourself right now, it'd be great.
There's shades of things we've heard.
Like, for example, CPS and the use of guardians.
And how a lot of the time guardians are actually kidnapping and trafficking individuals.
Using false information for financial gain to sell children.
This is a very real thing.
And lo and behold, we're hearing that this exact same thing is happening to the elderly, but with the goal of essentially murdering them.
So a bunch of corrupt individuals, judges, so-called professionals could make a whole bunch of money.
And Marie, do you mind introducing yourself and telling us a little bit about yourself?
Sure. My name is Anne-Marie Grant and I'm from Boston, Massachusetts and my connection with Roger and Stu is through the Washoe County Jail where Roger Hillegus is currently being detained illegally.
My brother Was 38 years old when he visited Reno, Nevada, and he had a mental health crisis on the casino floor, and he asked security for help.
Instead of helping him, they hogtied him for 40 minutes and brought him to the Washoe County Jail, and he begged for Medical attention.
He begged for an ambulance.
He told them that he had had a prior collapsed lung and that they were going to kill him.
And they surely did kill him.
They put him face down.
While he was still hogtied and four deputies got on his neck and back because they valued property more than my brother's life.
When they could have just cut that off him, they should have never put it on him to begin with.
That was my connection, how I came to hear about what was going on with Roger and Stu, and Matt and I and the other advocates have been trying to bring attention and change to the inhumane, unconstitutional, abusive actions that are going on at that jail.
Not just to Roger, but to other people.
Stuart Hanty was held there the entire time in the infirmary, which they actually Should just call it their torture chamber.
They actually, like, use the infirmary to isolate.
They put their temperatures up to extreme cold so that people are uncomfortable, unable to get.
You know, and that's just the minimal part of the things that they're doing.
They're tasering people in heads.
I mean, Roger has lost so much weight.
He said he's never been at the weight.
In the past 30 years, he's never weighed as little as he does right now.
But that's how...
I came to be affiliated with all this because I didn't lose a family member to guardianship, but we all have to come together to stop these things that are going on because individually we can't change it, but as a united front we certainly have a better shot.
Yeah, I'd like to give another example here, again based on a Blood Money episode, having to do with a child that had Down Syndrome that was taken into the hospital and was basically medically murdered, right?
Because, and the father speaks about this very eloquently, because she had Down Syndrome and she was worth more to the hospital dead than alive.
I believe the price tag on her life was $300,000.
So the reason I mention this is because this is not unique To these probate fraud issues, it's not unique to family courts.
This is happening in courts in all sectors.
In the medical community, this is happening, where human life has a price tag on it, and our systems that are supposed to protect us, whether they be hospitals, whether they be courts, find it more financially beneficial to them to kill people.
And this is An overarching problem that is happening across various industries, various sectors in our society.
So I'd like to dive into it right now.
Before we get into the specifics of what happened to Roger Hilligus, could one of you give me a summary of the kind of techniques that are used, the kind of individuals that are used to create essentially these situations where somebody's life is destroyed, killed, however way you want to put it, and their money, their estate is taken.
Could you tell us how this happens?
Well, typically there's a Regardless of whether the people who are ultimately trafficked did advance directives or created a living trust or whatever documents they created, they were using the system.
And they were using the system in multiple ways.
They were using the pharmaceutical system.
They were using the medical system.
They were using the legal system.
They're using the political system, every system, and they're all corporations.
They're all designed for profit, and they're all pretty much being run by criminals.
And if you don't accept that, you're going to keep running afoul of it.
You're going to continue to be victimized by it.
I mean, like the similarities between Matt's case and Rogers, you know, seems like, oh, well, Matt didn't have the benefit or his parents didn't have the benefit of Well, Roger's parents did.
They did everything right.
They had a living trust created in 1983, I think it was, or 1993, when they were clearly competent to do so.
That may or may not have even been necessary.
But ultimately, it was disregarded.
It didn't matter what they did.
It didn't matter that they later became incompetent and incapable of doing anything to change the terms of that original estate plan.
These criminals did what they wanted to do anyway, and that is a They found a way to just say that the original documents were wrong, they had to be changed, and therefore, or there's disagreement, as there often is, In the family, about what the solution is, and then they use the fact, oh, well, you can't agree.
There's dissension here, so we have to appoint a neutral party.
Yes, a neutral party who is one of their co-conspirators, a professional guardian who is in it to liquidate everything and to make it...
Yeah, I was just going to say, if you could elaborate just a little bit on the test that they provided.
Essentially, what happened is they took the original trust, the same attorneys that drew it up, and they re-engineered it to essentially eliminate Roger as the sole successor trustee.
By virtue of saying, your father lacks capacity.
He no longer has the means to take care of himself.
Where the trust was originally drawn up, the language was explicit that when they became infirm or at an age where they couldn't take care of themselves, their son was going to step in and intervene.
And they just nullified, unlawfully so, they nullified the original terms and conditions of that legal directive.
And what's startling about Roger's situation is the same attorneys that drew it up are the same attorneys that disassembled it.
And fraudulently so.
Not particularly startling.
Sorry, sorry, one second, one second, Catherine. Let's mute all our mics except for Catherine, please.
All right, Catherine, go for it. Yeah, it's really not startling.
I mean, if there isn't one way to skin that cat, they're going to find another way.
You'd be surprised at the diversity of means.
You think that you're going to be able to box them in in their system.
You're not going to do that.
That's not going to happen.
They are masters at their own system.
As well they should be.
They created it.
It's for them. It's for their superiors and their co-workers to generate profits.
And they are always going to find a way.
And if they can't find a way, they'll just ignore the issue.
I mean, you know, unless there's some overarching reason that they have to make it come out to look cleaner than it really was.
You know, maybe they're subject to an investigation they don't want to be subject to and they can't get out of.
There's all kinds of reasons.
But for the most part, any attorney can get out of anything if the others And the gang, you know, are going to cooperate.
And they're all on the same page.
You know, it's a business.
It's a business. It's a for-profit business.
And people forget that and they keep thinking, oh, they wouldn't do that if it was wrong.
They wouldn't do that if it harmed people.
They wouldn't do that if it violated the Constitution.
Yeah, they would. And they've got a million reasons why it's okay to do it, too.
And you're not going to be able to argue against it.
And you're being arrogant if you think that you can.
Because you can't. Not in their system you can't.
Is it akin to, I mean, it sounds like you're going into a conglomerate of criminals that are judges, so-called professionals that are all in cahoots with one another.
Money is the ticket.
They don't care to murder.
They don't care if they murder people.
They don't care if they break every law in the book.
I mean, hence, you're basically talking about a mafia.
You're not talking about anything to do with law or legalities.
You are essentially talking about a bunch of criminals as murderous as the worst criminals.
Criminals in history, because that is the ultimate end of these individuals.
It's much worse than what the WW2 Nazis did.
This is much more organized, and it's directed pretty much in many ways by the organized bar, which originated the European Bar Guilds, you know.
Which, by the way, we don't call judges judges here.
We don't call lawyers lawyers here on the Blood Money Show.
They are accurately referred to as bar agents.
Would you agree to that, Catherine?
Absolutely. Bar agents, yes.
I don't like to use their titles.
They like to hide behind their titles and their legal fiction corporate names, which a corporation is just a criminal tool, just like a crowbar would be a criminal tool for a burglar.
It's just a tool and they admit in their so-called case law that it's It's a legal fiction.
In other words, it doesn't actually exist.
It's a mental construct.
It's just fabricated to make it appear that it's real, that it can own property, that it can do things.
It can't do anything.
The people behind it do things and commit crimes.
It's just smoke and mirrors.
Steve, you know, Steve, you have a long history of going after some of these judges.
You've seen what some of the judges in Nevada are capable of.
Could you tell us some of the stories, some of the things you witnessed, some of the criminal behavior you witnessed via judges, via so-called guardians, via so-called professionals?
Well, first of all, there is a documentary out there that features many, a couple of family court judges, the probate And it's called, Jesus, what's that name?
The Guardian Ship.
The Guardian. Have you, anybody ever seen that show?
It's called The Guardian. And it features Las Vegas.
And it talks about all the corruption that's done in the family court.
Regarding guardianship, because that's where all the guardianship goes in family court.
And it features this one judge, Chuck Hoskins, and how he headed up all this corruption with the guardianship with another commission that he appointed to the bench.
And Hoskins is still on the bench.
Even with that documentary out there, he's still on the bench.
And it shows how corrupt the system is.
These judges have violated constitutional rights.
They have violated civil rights.
I mean, the list is endless.
They have violated their own code of ethics.
Veterans in politics helped to get rid of several judges off the bench.
Either the judges refuse to run for re-election, or they retire midstream, or they just lose their re-election, or something like that.
Or they kill themselves, right?
There was a kill themselves example too, you know, that we should probably...
Yeah, I didn't want to bring that one up.
Or they kill themselves.
Yeah, there was one judge that decided that he was going to take his own life.
And that was because...
We turned over information to the, well, we tried different entities like the AG's office, judicial ethics, judicial commission on discipline.
And we finally went to the Supreme Court and there was an investigation done in this one judge.
His name is Matthew Harder.
And he was off the bench on administrative leave.
And while he was on administrative leave, he decided to take his life.
So it's unfortunate that these things have to go that far.
But if you're destroying lives and you're destroying millions of thousands of people's lives and families lives, you should take your own life.
Let God sort them out.
Yep, yep. So what you mentioned now, I mean, with the bar, the bar is aware that the judge you were just speaking about that's in that Guardianship movie has done criminal deed after criminal deal, but nonetheless, they seem to be brushing it under the rug.
Another example I like to bring up, there was a lawyer by the name of Marshall Willock that we actually made a documentary about called Godfather of Family Law.
Steve Sanson knows Marshall Willock very well.
In fact, he has some of Marshall Willock's money in his pocket right now because Marshall Willock tried to go after Steve Sanson, tried to destroy him.
And Steve Sanson is not the kind of person that's cool to be, you know, destroyed.
And he went after him and he lost a whole bunch of money.
But Marshall Willick, what we found when we did that documentary, Godfather of Family Law, he is one of the biggest family law attorneys in Nevada, right?
When he was 17 years old, multiple witnesses saw him jerking off in a Sears to two 14-year-old girls, right?
Many people talk about this.
It happened in 1981, 1982.
Following this, he hired an individual that worked within his law firm that's a sexual predator that was trying to have sex with a 15-year-old, right?
Temporarily, that individual lost...
They're licensed. They were reinstated.
Marshall Willick is still practicing law, protected by the bar, even though all the evidence shows that this man is a criminal and a scumbag.
But again, you see the same sort of thing, where the bar does absolutely nothing to hold these criminals accountable.
Now, let's talk a little bit about the name of the judges involved with the Roger Hillegas case.
Who are the individuals that are leading up this fraud?
Who are the individuals that are trying to murder this gentleman?
You want to take that, Matt?
I'll be happy to.
Yes, Roger's civil battle lasted for approximately six years.
I mean, it was extensive.
He had numerous appeals before the Nevada Supreme Court, and he excoriated the judges that were involved in this on many levels.
And the vendetta basically was in place by 2019 when one of the judges that presided over his parents' circumstances by the name of Frances Doherty just decided to step down.
And the reason why she stepped down was primarily because Roger had brought so much dirty laundry to the table during his own case And essentially, the vendetta was set.
Less than two months later, Roger and his co-defendant, Stuart Hanty, who was a retired 30-year career police officer, Essentially were set up.
They went to the mother's nursing home.
The mother wanted it to be removed from this facility, which was substandard, much like the one that I'm very familiar with that my father went through.
And they got her out of there.
They did it correctly.
They did it properly.
They served documents regarding the civil trust in his parents' estate presented to the police.
And Mr. Hanty basically did the right thing.
He just said, look, Roger, I don't know what I'm going to be able to do.
Because he said, I'm no longer active law enforcement, but he said, I'm going to take it to the people that I know, and we're going to present your case and ask for help.
And essentially what they did is they went by the numbers properly.
The police essentially vetted the documents that he had and said, this is a civil matter.
We're not going to get involved.
And this is when they said, take it to the administrators of the nursing home and, you know, you leave it there.
Well, Roger and Stewart decided on August 8th of 2019 that after Mrs.
Hillicus had faced physical abuse and neglect over several weeks and months said, you know, it's time to get her out of here.
Asked her, Mom, do you want out of here?
Roger. And she said, please get me out of here.
And, you know, the irony of the situation, too, is she signed paperwork when she was put into that facility that essentially gave her unconditional rights over her own person to say, if I'm not happy here, I can leave.
Which is what any person that's put in a nursing home should have the right to do.
And especially under the circumstances that prevailed for Roger as successor trustee to his parents' estate.
The police would not get involved.
Roger and Stuart went to the nursing home.
They spoke to the administrator, wanted to see Susan Hillegas.
They signed in formally on a sign-in sheet.
And that's where the odyssey really began.
Roger took his mother out.
He had organized weeks in advance a change of address.
And took his mother to be with her brother in Southern California.
And within less than a week, a Silver Alert through Department of Public Safety is activated.
That involves FBI, then it probably involved the U.S. Marshals Service.
And the DA's office was definitely the maestro in all of this, pulling the strings.
And Roger and his mother, less than a week later, are greeted with a tactical SWAT team in Long Beach, California at gunpoint.
They taser Roger multiple times.
Pull him out of his uncle's home, separate him from his mother, who's witnessing all of this, and he never sees his mother again.
Roger spends two weeks in a Long Beach County jail, and the worst happens.
In less than two months, Mrs.
Hillegus goes through a gauntlet of nursing homes, three separate nursing homes in less than two months, where she's declared dead a month and a half later in the third nursing home.
And he never sees his mother again.
He's not allowed visitation.
And this is the successor trustee to his parents' estate.
Wow. I mean, you hear shades of that, you know, when the COVID situation was happening, people not seeing their dying relatives.
I mean, that seems to be a massive deprivation of rights on so many levels, but it seems as though corrupt individuals in the government are getting bolder and bolder about doing those sorts of things.
blatant deprivation of rights.
That's correct. That's correct.
And again, what absolutely seals the fate of these two gentlemen is they did everything right.
They involved police immediately.
The police said, we're not going to get involved.
And then all of a sudden, this silver alert out of nowhere pops up.
Stuart Hanty gets a call from the Reno Police Department within, I guess it was close to 12 a.m.
on the 12th of the 13th, claiming that he is now involved as an accessory to kidnapping and burglary.
And this is one 30-year career police officer talking to a police officer with less than 20 years.
And he's basically saying to this police chief, you're calling me in the middle of the night.
You're accusing me.
How is this possible?
How do you do this?
Wow. Wow.
All right. Take me through the story of Roger Heligus and where he is right now as of today.
Do you want me, Catherine, to go ahead and continue?
I'll continue. Yeah, essentially Roger, after his arrest, after Mr.
Hanty's arrest, basically had an opportunity to present discovery and ask for discovery that was exculpatory evidence that was denied in early 2020.
Roger shows up, a grand jury allegedly has been impaneled, and he presents these statements, he's prepared to present these statements under Nevada Revised Statute that gives him that right.
And the DA that's involved to this day greets him at the door and says, what are you doing here?
And he says, what do you mean, what am I doing here?
He said, you're not supposed to be here.
He said, I have every right to be here.
This grand jury has been impaneled under Nevada Revised Code 173.145.
I have a right to present discovery and declare that exculpatory evidence is missing.
And they literally frog-marched him out of the courthouse.
He could not present any of those statements to the grand jury, even though under Nevada law he was entitled.
And then it just gets exceedingly worse.
They go through almost a year and a half of the Reno Justice Court hearing after hearing after hearing, which culminates in a...
Preliminary trial in the Justice Court where the police officer that's involved in the investigation perjures herself.
The police detective perjures herself on evidence.
Stuart Hanty's attorney does a fine job Basically exposing this.
And he believed, and we believe to this day, that they, he thought based on the false statements that the police detective made, was going to throw it out immediately.
That there was no way that it was going to be bound over to the Second Judicial District Court.
And little did we know, in less than two weeks, in late September, they throw it over the fence to the Second Judicial District Court, and now it's full speed ahead to a trial.
I mean, if the viewer is being interested in a microcosm, and if you don't mind Matt muting for a second, if the viewer is interested in a microcosm of the kind of corruption that Matt is referring to, check out Godfather of Family Law, how a judge was literally working with the lawyer on the other side.
this being Marshall Willick, literally collaborating to cover up the fact that this Marshall Willick had a literal nervous breakdown in the middle of court.
You would think that a lawyer that has mental health issues that are recorded on video camera is something important to know about, is important for the public to know about, so people could know that this person is off his rocker and should not be hired for cases.
What does the judge do?
She orders all the evidence destroyed and had it not been for a court clerk that knew that that was wrong, that knew that that was unlawful, saved the copy and secretly emailed it to us, we would not know about this.
So you see in that documentary a microcosm of how this corruption happens.
And that corruption sometimes leads to murder, sometimes leads to people losing their entire estate.
And that is the topic that we are talking about today.
Catherine, what is the next steps with Roger Hilligus?
What has to happen? What could we do in order to bring this to light and be a part of the change that is so necessary in these absolutely repugnant and corrupt courts?
Well, I think we're going to have to give up our little fantasy world that we're going to change them from within or without, or we're going to make them behave themselves and abide by their own statutes and codes that are not law.
Please, let's stop calling it law.
Let's please stop calling them judges when they're not.
Let's please stop calling them courts when they don't even meet their own definition of being a court, which is a sovereign and a suite.
They are not sovereign.
You know, I mean, if y'all want to worship them, you know, go right ahead, but you're going to keep doing what you've been doing.
You're going to keep getting what you got.
Is the best example to say that this is a Monopoly game that they've created, and as long as we play their Monopoly game, we're going to lose because they've already fudged all the rules.
They don't follow their own rules.
Hence, and therefore, it's about...
Doing a game that is the We the People's game as opposed to their fraudulent criminal monopoly game.
Yeah, well, it's worse than that because, I mean, who are these people and what gave them authority over us?
We have allowed it.
And, you know, for those who may be listening to this or any of you all who are Bible believers, right at the beginning, God told us, Genesis 126, that we were to take dominion over his creation.
We were to take charge.
We were not supposed to delegate the The administration of his creation, of each other, of justice, to a bunch of criminals.
And that's exactly what we've done because we got a benefit.
We didn't have to think so hard because they would do it for us.
We wonder why it turned out so badly.
Well, we've got to really look at ourselves.
We can get rid of these people tomorrow And, you know, as long as we're continuing to not take up the challenge and self-govern ourselves, we're going to have the same problem back again.
Changing the identities of the people who hold these offices.
When you're in slavery, you change the identity of the slave master that's not the equivalent of freedom.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, look at the old boss, same as the new boss, right?
Exactly. That's what we're seeing over and over and over and over and over, and we never seem to learn.
I mean, there are reasons for that.
Partly we're drugged.
The school system is teaching us lies.
We're pitted against one another in all kinds of ways.
Censorship is rampant.
Who knows how much of what we're doing today is even going to see the light of day.
From one day to the next, they're always censoring.
I have a broadcast myself, and one of our episodes just YouTube just banned it.
I know YouTube is notoriously bad.
But we have to treat them as the criminals that they are, the suspected criminals.
And we've been given the means of doing that in Matthew 18.
Jesus told us exactly what to do, the three-notice process.
First, you approach them with the facts and give them an opportunity to rebut those facts.
And that's also due process, more than what they give us.
And if they don't listen, then you do it a second time.
And that's what happens when we serve the first notice.
And we did serve the first notice on Roger's perpetrators.
And we said, you know, you did this and you did that.
You murdered Susan Hilligus.
And you're attempting to murder Roger.
And you committed acts of extortion.
Thievery and domestic terrorism and murder for hire in your own system.
If we're wrong on the facts and what your statutes and codes say, what God's law says, which Congress has acknowledged, in case we need Satan's acknowledgement of God's law, but some people do, then tell us we're wrong.
You have X number of days to do that.
And you can see all that.
I think I sent you, well, I didn't send everybody, but I sent you, Ben, the judgment that has now been signed by the people of the Texas Common Law Court.
And the Texas Common Law Court Claims authority without objection over Texas domiciliaries, which Roger was at the time of the last time that the Nevada perpetrators kidnapped him.
He was a Texas domiciliary and the Texas people, you know, Have given them an opportunity to rebut those notices.
They've been served on each one of them.
And they have not rebutted any of them.
They've been served.
There are affidavits out there that they never responded.
They could have responded, but they couldn't because everything that was said was true.
And now there's a judgment.
Now there's a judgment against them.
And so what we're asking People to bear witness to at 10 p.m., 10 a.m.
Nevada time, there's going to be a group of folks that are going to have certified File stamp copies of the judgment, and they're going to serve it on a lot of the perpetrators who are operating the Reno,
whatever they call their so-called court, the corporate tribunal, and the corporate detention facility, also known as their torture facility.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Matt, but as I understand it, at the time that Roger was abducted the last time on his way back to Texas, he was not in a wheelchair.
He is today.
That's correct. That's correct.
The medical corporation that facilitates health care for the inmates at the Washoe County Sheriff's Office is NAFCARE. And anybody that's done even a marginal amount of research On that corporation knows how bad it is.
They were actively caught in fraud three years ago, defrauding the Department of Justice for services to the Bureau of Prisons.
And there have been a number of deaths that have occurred, you know, related to NAFCARE health services in different states.
But it has a really very, very poor reputation.
And it's surprising, even with the embarrassment of fraudulent accounting on very, very large programs that they only received a slap on the wrist, maybe a $600,000 fine.
I think it was actually even less than that.
And they just continue.
They're allowed to continue under the federal government.
Well, because they're a legal fiction.
Sorry. They're operating, especially if you...
Am I still on?
Yes, you are. Okay.
Let's don't call them NAFCARE. NAFCARE is just...
That's just a mental construct.
There are people who run NAFCARE and they're out of Alabama, and it's a family company like Johnson& Johnson that produced Risperdal and other psychotropic drugs that murder and disable people.
And there are people behind that.
Doesn't have, you know, a brain or hands or any ability to do anything.
But the people who run it do.
Sorry to interrupt you. NAFQ is like government.
It's an inanimate object.
An inanimate object is not capable of evil.
It's the people that are within that inanimate object that are capable of evil and law-breaking.
One of the things I wanted to add, though, to what Catherine was saying, Remarking on how did Roger go from traveling through the Midwest In 2022.
Well, we need to kind of step back to how it got thrown into the Second Judicial District Court from the Reno Justice Court.
This is how, essentially, they whitewashed the evidence of perjured testimony.
They ignored that, and they put in place Roger and Stewart's case to move forward to trial.
Roger objected initially with a recusal order on the judge, where the judge in the first hearing in October of 2022 basically states, I am the judge now and forever.
I run the show here.
And he is recorded saying that.
That on its own is a statement that showed somebody is like drunk on their power and they're supposed to be public servants.
They're not supposed to be all powerful.
They're not God. But nonetheless, they put themselves in that situation.
And you would think that you need a whole infrastructure to say a bold statement like that.
I'm talking about an infrastructure of corruption to have a boss to say something like that.
There are other facets to that hearing that were really startling.
And essentially, Roger had enough knowledge and information with affidavits to basically make very cogent arguments that this judge is out of his saddle, so to speak.
And he went ahead and proceeded to submit a recusal against the judge.
They came back several weeks later and said, in essence, it had no foundation.
Judge Tammy Riggs in the department forecourt went ahead and ignored it and the judge was allowed to continue.
And as punishment, we believe, for doing that, for Roger doing that, essentially there was a hearing out of that First hearing in the Second Judicial District Court, it's important to step back because there's so many pieces to this.
He requested his attorney in the first hearing to remove himself.
He wanted to represent himself and requested a Ferretta hearing.
The judge granted that Ferretta hearing in the second hearing of October of 2022 and Essentially found Roger competent to go to trial on his own, without counsel.
Following that decision, we believe that the DA was not pleased with that outcome.
And there was another hearing in late December that essentially challenged the judge's determination.
And Roger spoke up, you know, candidly about his rights under common law being violated.
And again, this was during the COVID episode, so all of these statements were being made remotely.
And the judge was chiding Roger for having an American flag in back of him.
How dare they basically address the court with an American flag behind them even though the judge has one in his courtroom?
And essentially what they did is the judge said his outbursts during this The third hearing, after the Ferretta hearing was approved, were, I guess, cause for him to submit a psychiatric evaluation.
He wanted to bring Roger in in early February for a psychiatric evaluation.
And that's when Roger basically said, in essence, I've had enough.
You've taken my father.
You've taken my mother. This is no longer home.
It can't be because I was going to live essentially happily ever after with my mother and her brother in California.
And he proceeded to make arrangements to not appear in that February hearing in 2022.
And that's when the judge slapped him with a Pretty heavy determination.
It was a bench warrant for his arrest almost immediately and under Nevada Revised Statute, he has 30 days in which to report to the court.
The judge literally within five days had a bench warrant for his arrest when he didn't show up for his hearing and a no bail hold.
And this is a gentleman that's never had a criminal record.
And there's nothing you can do about that because you're on their turf and you're going to abide, and Roger has had to abide by their rules.
You've got to take yourself off of their turf and stop abiding by their rules.
You're never going to beat them at their own game.
You're never going to out-Perry Mason them.
If I can make a point here, because Catherine, you had mentioned a lot of things when you were speaking before about the documents, about the process of how to get out of their system, do the notices.
Now, for the viewers, I highly, highly recommend.
There's two episodes of Blood Money with Catherine in there.
They're not hard to find.
You can find them on our Rumble channel.
You can find them on our website.
She explains in detail in both these episodes how to get out of their corrupt little monopoly game, how to get out of their corrupt little system.
And I highly recommend the viewer watches that.
This is information you need to know.
Your freedom, your children's freedom, relies upon knowing this information.
Now, what you're talking about, Matt, and what you're talking about, Catherine, is essentially they're making the process the punishment.
They're using their quote-unquote powers to torture this man.
And it sounds like that torture led a healthy man now into a wheelchair.
Tell me a little bit more about that topic.
Essentially what happened is Roger was on a business trip in Missouri in early October of 2022.
He started his new life in Texas and he had been traveling the country where his job was taking him and he was in Liberty, Missouri with a colleague and He had been in consultation with the courts the whole time.
For the seven months that he had left the state of...
Well, he didn't leave the state of Nevada.
He was forced to stay in the state of Nevada.
He left the state of Nevada voluntarily, which was his right.
And he was in communication with him the whole time.
He had submitted filings to the court.
Several writs of error, a writ of habeas, and, you know, challenging the court's authority and decision with this no bail hold, given no criminal record, and, you know, no foundation.
Sorry, sorry.
You say that again, Catherine.
Making it clear that he was a good little slave, following all the rules, crossing all the T's, dotting all the I's, never understanding all he would ever be entitled to would be privileges and immunities if they felt like it.
That's all that he could ever get.
That's all any of us can ever expect.
And we keep beating our heads against that concrete.
Or seeing others do so, you can win.
You can really beat them.
You cannot. If they're determined that you're not going to prevail, you're not going to prevail.
And who gave them the authority to make decisions anyway?
You keep filing in their system, making them money through the court registry investment system every time you do that.
And they're just, and they might, you know, put on a show that, oh, they're mad about this, or they're mad about that.
It's, they're actors.
Wake up, wake up, wake up.
They're putting on a show.
And we're falling for it.
And we're playing along with it.
And we're helping them make money.
And what we should be doing is prosecuting them.
In our own courts, they have already admitted long ago back in 1793 in Chisholm v.
Georgia that the people are the source of all law.
Not them. They're not even public servants.
They are like agents of a corporation, a service corporation that got delegated these job duties by a public servant.
So they're like the underlings of the public servants.
Yes, we get to vote sometimes on who they're going to say that they're going to populate some of these offices with, but they're not our representatives.
I mean, would it be accurate to say that these individuals are actually treasonous individuals, that did we have an actual legal society that was not a corrupt legal society, a secret society like the bar, that all these individuals, there is due cause to try them for treason for being enemies of the United States and enemies of we the people?
I don't know that there are enemies in the United States.
The United States is a cabal of corporations.
I have seen their various definitions of treason, giving aid and comfort to the enemy and so forth.
I don't see any reason to get into a murky area such as treason when we've got murder.
And, you know, we've got murder.
That's pretty clear cut. That goes way back.
And we've got our right to, you know, Ancient rules of contract law that persist in their system today with Uniform Commercial Code, where you're in a contract with a service corporation.
Say you have a lawn care company to do your lawn.
And for whatever reason, you decide you don't want the services anymore.
Like the Southern Senators decided that they didn't want to live under the United States corporate rule in 1861 and walked out.
When you decide you don't want the services anymore, does that make you a traitor?
Does that even make you in breach of contract?
No. Does that mean that the lawn care company can come to your house and kill you because you're not in contract with them anymore?
No. But we're handing them power and authority with both hands every single day.
I understand it's a bad habit, but we've got to get out of that.
Words are important things.
They matter. As you notice, don't call them attorneys.
Don't call them lawyers. They're bar agents.
They're just, you know, they're people, I guess.
I was going to use another P word.
I was thinking prostitutes, but hey.
Yeah, they're predators, they're parasites, they're psychopaths, a lot of them.
Yeah, there's a lot of P words we can use.
Steve, I want to ask Steve a question.
So Steve, thank you for your service, by the way, and if you don't mind unmuting yourself so we can have a quick conversation here.
So as somebody that put their life on the line, you saw friends of yours killed and Doing service for this country.
You've seen horrors fighting for this country.
And then you hear this story about a judge who takes offense with an American flag behind a litigant.
Tell me about what that makes you feel.
Well, it makes me feel outraged.
I could say this.
Back in 91, after I got out of the Gulf War, And after I got out of the Marine Corps, I had to go back in the military because I could not stand American citizens that have so much of entitlement that feel that we go over and fight these wars so we could come back in our own country and watch them burn the flag.
I thought that was utterly disgusting.
I had to go back in the military, so I went into the Army after the Marine Corps because I could not watch that sense of stupidity from From civilians in America, it was just disgusting to me, especially me being a foreign born and came to this country and did it the right way and join our military.
It just frustrates the crap out of me.
And for people to use the American flag as a shield to do their criminal activities, especially judges behind the bench, is totally upsetting.
And you know what? And if this was a world that I could put together, I would put all these corrupt judges in front of a firing squad and press the trigger myself.
And that's just how I look at it.
Well, now Steve, let me ask you, what do you think about some of the things that you've heard in terms of what is happening within our courts, specifically to Roger Hillegas?
I think it's absurd.
I've spoken to Roger Hillegas years ago.
I've had him on our show, Veterans in Politics, and he talked about how his mother was being taken advantage of within the probate system.
And how they kidnapped her is how he put it to me and how he had to go and save her.
Words can't just describe it because Roger has been gone through a lot and he's still going through a lot and bless his mother's soul who passed away because of this ordeal.
And I just hope that this example of the Hillegard story could help other families in the future not go through this horrific criminal activities from our justice system.
Wow, wow. You know, I don't know, Kathryn, Matt, everybody on this call, I don't know if we've touched upon all the important topics and issues pertaining to this case.
If we have not touched upon something, this would be a good time, whoever wants to resume.
Yeah, I just wanted to finish with Roger's arrest by the U.S. Marshal Service in Liberty, Missouri, because that's an important chapter.
He had probably 10 to 15 state police interspersed with the U.S. Marshal Service holding him at gunpoint on a roadway in Liberty, Missouri.
They didn't have probable cause.
They had no right to pull him over.
They had no right to arrest him at gunpoint.
And he has an eyewitness.
The driver of the car, who was his colleague, a business associate, witnessed all of this happening.
And essentially, they separated the two of them.
They asked her to leave.
And Roger was then whisked away to the Clay County Jail in Missouri and he spends 93 days there, goes through 11 separate hearings between two different judges, argues himself eloquently, does everything that he needs to do to argue his case.
And after those 93 days, they exonerate him of any wrongdoing.
But they issue the governor's warrant, which is approved by Governor Parsons and Governor Sisolak at that time.
Governor Lombardo of Nevada hadn't been sworn in yet.
And they released Roger to jail in Washoe County, Nevada.
And they seal his case in Missouri.
And nobody has access to the material information, either the court transcripts or anything, largely because of the U.S. Marshals Service's involvement.
And they made so many egregious errors and missteps that they've essentially covered their tracks, but embarrassingly so.
I mean, how can you criminally prosecute somebody like that, leave him languishing in jail for 93 days, and then transfer him on a governor's warrant that the defendant hasn't even seen?
Roger's never seen that governor's warrant to this day, 10 months later.
How's that possible?
Wow. And when he was delivered to the Washoe County Sheriff's Office in January, that's when NAFCARE approved him for a wheelchair.
They were the ones that said he is an ADA inmate based on his injuries, his back injuries from a severe fall, I guess that had taken place several years earlier.
And he had.
He had a fused spine.
He had at least a couple back surgeries.
And whatever...
They were trying to do, to use that in their favor, which I believe that's the reason why they did it.
They wanted to declare him incompetent.
And Roger has been relentless.
He has battled them in every conceivable way the past eight months.
And the wonderful thing about Nevada, I will say that's a silver lining to the shadow that has no end, is that they do put video cameras in criminal proceedings.
And if anybody cares to watch the hearings over the past...
Six months, a year, two years, three years, it's available for anybody that wants to learn about this case and the horrors that have denied this man his life.
And it's been quite an odyssey.
I mean, what he's gone through.
Is really horrendous.
And the other tip of the hat to him, and because I've said this to many people, he's my hero because he took it one step further that I wanted to take it with my own father when he was jailed in a substandard nursing home and languishing.
And we were fighting visitation, you know, tooth and nail, but we couldn't get him out of there.
Roger took it the next step further and said, Mom, do you want to leave this place?
And his mother, of course, said, Yes, I want to leave this place.
And they left, which was their right, which was the obligation of the rule of law to give them both.
That comfort and that guarantee.
And it's been stripped away.
And again, he's lost everything.
And we need to get him out of there.
But the other thing that basically speaks to his courage and his bravery is being a whistleblower.
He has furnished a great deal of detail about what goes on in this jail.
Which is one of the worst in the country, certainly in the state of Nevada.
They have more deaths in that jail than any other in the state of Nevada and probably within the country, and Anne-Marie.
Can take over from here.
We were introduced to each other.
We have been tag teaming on a lot of things to try to get to the truth, but Roger is also a hero in that he's a whistleblower.
He is giving great detailed reports about what goes on in there, and he has put me in touch with other inmates That have told their eyewitness accounts and testimony to the psychological and physical torture that they endure in this place.
And I've got a compendium of information that really is invaluable for anybody that wants to listen to these recordings and what's reported on a daily basis in this place.
It's a tragedy.
Wow. Wow, Catherine.
Catherine, could you hear me? I gotta unmute you, sorry.
Hey, Catherine, can you hear me?
Yes. Yes, do you have any closing comments?
Anything that we didn't talk about that's worth mentioning?
Yeah, can you hear me? Now I can, yep.
Okay, yeah. I wanted to say, first of all, that they admitted three times, and it's the finding in the judgment entry from Texas, which you can see on the Texas website.
I'll mention that, or maybe I can put that in the comment later, the link to the judgment itself that was issued July 31st.
They either don't have oaths of office at all or they're not valid.
They've admitted that. They're nobody.
They're nobody. They have no special privileges to do any of this.
And the judgment from Texas, which is entitled under their constitution.
It isn't our constitution.
It's theirs. They have to give that full faith and credit.
And stop the murder.
The acts that they're committing now that are harming Roger.
I wonder how many more days or weeks he has left if people don't stand up and witness these perpetrators getting served with the judgment that tells them that they're enjoined from continuing to keep him locked up.
I would suggest people bring Bring in, you know, trained emergency medical people because he's going to need it.
They've been systematically dehydrating him and poisoning him with municipal water and all kinds of dyes that they put into it to make it look like I don't know what.
And he's being poisoned.
And it's...
It's not so much that it's an outrage.
Now it's a question that the people of Texas have stood up and said, we're going to exert the power that has been admittedly theirs all along and issue a judgment.
This is why this is different than all the other horror stories you hear about where you can say, oh gee, ain't it awful?
Somebody else should do something.
This is your opportunity to bear witness that the judgment is going to be served.
And remember, service on agent is service on principle.
You serve their underlings, you serve them, you serve their underlings and their fellow contractors.
And they're all equally to blame.
One of them can say, I just work here.
I'm just doing my job.
They're still, however small that job may be, it's all part of the aiding and abetting of this attempted murder in the case of Roger's mother, the actual murder.
They all participated in it.
They all have a hand in it, and they all did it for money.
What is there that the regular person could do to help Roger Hillegas right now?
Show up. Show up at 10 a.m.
Nevada time, either in front of the Nevada courthouse that goes by different names.
It's the public courthouse that they've taken over and given their little corporate spin on it to make it sound legitimate.
Let me give you the addresses.
You said 10 a.m.
what day, though? Any day, 10 a.m.?
I'm sorry, I missed what you said.
You said to show up at 10 a.m.
10 a.m. what day?
Monday. Monday.
This coming Monday, which would be the 8th.
Got you. Okay. So, yeah, the addresses, and I think I have it in the email to you about...
Yeah, here it is.
The addresses are...
While I'm finding the addresses, maybe you can have Matt read off the names of the people who are the named respondents.
And if you want to throw in some of the more prominent accomplices...
like in the Reno, the county commissioners and so forth.
Okay, I think I have, I found the addresses.
Roger's being tortured currently at 911 Parr Boulevard, Reno, Nevada.
That's P-A-R-R Boulevard.
You should be able to find directions online.
at the direction of one of the respondents, Darren Boam and others.
And I think it's important that you bear witness to Darren and his buddies getting served with the injunction forbidding them from continuing and ordering his release.
And then the other place people will be gathering is at 10 a.m.
on 75 Court Street in Reno, Nevada.
So that's 75 Court Street where their fake corporate tribunal called the Second Judicial District is located.
And that would be where perpetrator Barry Breslow and the clerk, so-called, and the other perpetrators are located.
And then the torture facility itself is at 911 PARR Boulevard.
I think they're pretty close to one another.
Yeah, is there any possibility that we can get Anne-Marie Grant back on?
She has been stalwart in her efforts to get reforms going since her brother's death.
And if it wasn't for her, with the research that she's done, not just on my behalf, but just to coordinate a lot of activities in the periphery, I don't know where things would be with the complaints that we filed.
She single-handedly got a Very important document.
After months, she was relentless in getting fire safety information for the facility.
And it was so damning that a local news desk did a story on it within six hours of her reaching across their desk and saying, here it is.
The press in Reno, Nevada is AWOL. They are not there to provide any balance to what goes on in this facility.
And that was a very, very important story with the fire marshal.
I'll let her bridge the gap from where I am.
Ann Marie, did you hear all that?
Unmute, please. I did.
I did. So what Matt's making reference to is...
Could you speak up a little bit because your volume's a little low.
Okay. Maybe if I bring it closer.
Can you hear me better now?
Yep, yep. Okay, so what Matt's referencing is another local advocate who has had her issues with the Washoe County District Attorney's Office holding exculpatory evidence.
In her brother's case, who was wrongfully convicted, but her brother, when he was in the Nevada Department of Corrections, I had mentioned to her, you know, the jails and the facilities are supposed to have a fire occupancy limit, and Roger and other inmates at the Washoe County Jail have been imparting to us that they are actually stuffing three to four human beings into a cell that probably isn't adequate for one,
let alone four. So I put in a public records request with the fire marshal At first it was a complaint that I had concerns about the overcrowding at the jail and I wanted them to go up there and inspect them.
They wrote back that they inspected the jail.
They found no safety issues.
So then I put in a request for the fire occupancy certificate for the county jail because any building should have an occupancy limit.
And it turns out that nobody in the whole county or the city of Reno has any idea what it should be.
One doesn't actually exist.
And the actual deputy who was in charge of the fire safety at the jail has relinquished his position there.
And in the email that was found in these documents, he said that there's no end in sight for the overcrowding, and he's concerned about that, and they want to make sure that they're following all safety guidelines.
I mean, this jail was constructed, I think, in the late 70s.
So this isn't something they should just be worrying about now because eyes are on it.
I mean, they have no concern for the safety of human life there and there.
And most of those people there are waiting their day in court and they deserve to leave there alive.
Matt, I told you, I had to meet you because it was echoing.
Do you mind repeating what you were just saying?
Anne-Marie was also instrumental in obtaining documentation about the number of deaths per year over the past 10 to 15 years after her brother's death.
And we, she, thanks to her efforts, found inconsistencies between years where names would pop up in earlier releases of that information and later ones, they were withheld.
So how do you have deaths that aren't recorded from previous years when they run those public records requests and then the newer ones don't have them at all?
And what's really troubling...
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
One sec, one sec. I gotta mute Matt.
Oh, I forgot the echo. I apologize.
Sorry, go ahead. I apologize.
I was just going to say, what's concerning is the new sheriff, Darren Balaam.
He's been in office now since 2018.
But when we were talking about the Navcare and the corruption, well, 14 people died in a two-year period under Navcare.
Darren Balaam was up for election in 2018.
He took a $10,000 campaign donation from Navcare days before general election.
He gets elected.
Their contract's up for renewal.
And sure enough, he recommended that it be renewed, even though 14 people had died when they were the vendor.
And now eight people have died since he took office.
And the media has been completely dead silent about it.
Wow. Wow.
Which they're dead silent about a lot of things that concern We The People.
It seems like they only care about We The Elite.
Steve Sanson, I know you got to go, sir.
Any closing comments that you'd like to make?
Well, first of all, I'd like to thank everybody for showing up to do this.
I'm sure Roger would be impressed that we're spending a lot of time trying to...
Show his innocence and get him from behind bars.
And the only thing I could say is that the only thing that we could do is keep on fighting because judges hate to be exposed, especially being placed in a negative light.
And the more we expose them, the better off our society will be.
So I guess we just have to keep this up and make sure that we get rid of the corruption off the bench and make sure that there's no further corruption that continue to swamp our benches.
And put the American citizens into a bad light, especially this.
I mean, killing our citizens and hiding behind the legal system is just outrageous, and it just needs to stop.
And I'd like to thank you, Van Miller, for putting this on, blood money.
It's very impressive, and thank you so much.
And Matt, thank you.
Catherine, thank you. And the young lady down there with that Boston accent, I really like it.
Thank you so much. Thank you, Steve.
Thank you. And thank you for doing what you do, man.
You are standing in the gap.
You have been standing in the gap for a very long time.
You got balls of steel, my brother.
I don't know what else to tell you. I mean, the way you've been going after these scumbags, there's nobody like you that I've met ever that does it.
And you should be a fine example of how every single man in this nation, every single woman in this nation, should fight these corrupt scumbags and not stand for what they are doing to we, the people.
So thank you so much, sir. Thank you very much.
Is there anything else in closing that any of you would want to say before I do my wrap up?
No, thank you for having us on the show.
Thank you so much. Very much.
Thank you so much, all of you, for coming on to the Blood Money Podcast.
I'm just going to mute you here, Matt.
Real quick in closing, like I said, everybody should check out the two episodes we did with Katherine Hine.
We talk about this topic in detail.
And one of the things that Steve was saying, he was mentioning citizens and getting rid of the corruption.
I believe that Katherine's methods...
Are actually even better than what he's talking about.
Much respect to Steve Sanson, by the way.
But what Catherine is saying is that we can't let citizens expect the criminals to arrest themselves.
We can't expect going into a game of monopoly that is structured to destroy us for their financial gain.
We can't expect that gain to play in our favor.
What she's talking about is us as we the people seizing our common law rights and stopping this nonsense Through our power as opposed to walking into their corporate courts, which are not courts, and expecting them to do the right thing when they are literally hundreds and thousands of lives every single day due to their corruption.
Solely for their own personal and financial gain.
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