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Oct. 1, 2023 - Blood Money
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2024 Will Be A Repeat of 2020 If We Don't... - w/ Gregg Phillips (Eps130)
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All right, we're on the latest episode of Blood Money with a very special guest, Mr. Greg.
Greg Phillips. How are you doing, sir?
I'm doing great, sir. How are you?
Appreciate y'all having me. Man, I appreciate you being on our show.
You know, Greg, let's just dive right into it.
I mean, you and Catherine have been doing some amazing work the last three years with True the Vote.
And let's just dive right into it.
Tell us what's been going on.
Bring us up to speed on all the developments.
Well, man, both of us have been in this business for a long time.
I mean, for me, I'm an old guy.
I've been in this thing for like 42 years or some sort of nonsense like that.
Catherine started True the Vote.
I guess it really almost instantly emerged as a leader in the election integrity movement back in 2009.
And then from there, it's just been this just a wild adventure for us all.
I mean, we've had everything from, you know, a seven year long IRS lawsuit that she engaged in and beat him, by the way, to 2020 when, you know, all manner of stuff went on.
And then, of course, we ended up in jail back in October over a defamation lawsuit gone bad.
We've seen it all and have had it all happen.
And, you know, I mean, it is what it is.
And, you know, I think we look back now and think, wow, that was a heck of a ride.
But hopefully we'll get that into a movie someday, too.
Of course, we had the movie along the way as well.
We did a 2000 Mules movie along the way.
It's funny, I didn't even think about that.
You know, one of the biggest things that has happened to us.
Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
And I forgot to even mention it.
Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
By the way, I'm sure the viewer notices our video is all wonky.
We've been trying to log on and make this work.
And it's just funny how anytime you want to do something that is exposing really what's going on.
I mean, example being like the sound of freedom showings where we keep hearing about projectors not working and audio not working.
It's interesting how that happens when we're trying to talk about things that they don't want us to talk about.
You know, let's talk about this, you know, jail for defamation.
I've never heard such a thing.
Like, how do you end up in jail for defamation?
Yeah, the whole thing was insane.
So in January of 21, a couple of analysts that we had done some work with called me to a meeting at a hotel, one of the Hilton hotels in Dallas, and said, man, you got to come here.
Can you come today? And I said, well, I get there tonight.
I got there about 10 o'clock, met him at the hotel.
By midnight or so, we were all plugged in and they had me plugged into some of their findings, if you will.
And what we learned was that there was a company, ostensibly based here in the U.S., that was funneling all of their traffic and all of their apps through China.
And we spent the next three or four hours really taking a deeper dive into it and looking at it and And I walked out of the hotel.
I'm not even sure. We're not even 100% sure I actually checked in.
I ended up getting in the car and leaving, getting Catherine to meet me down in the woodlands, drove three or four hours, got her to meet me for breakfast.
And we spent the next few hours really trying to sort through it all.
I mean, it's one thing, you know, when you read about, you know, satellite packets being sent back and forth and, you know, and all the different things that go on and or that you hear about.
And, you know, whether it's true or not, you know, I can't speak to their stuff.
Our stuff's legit.
It was real. And Sometimes shortly thereafter, we turned it all over to the FBI. I mean, this was a clear violation of the National Security Act.
There were at least three violations of that act, as well as several other acts and executive orders that had come down, including Obama's executive order to make elections critical infrastructure, meaning nobody from the outside could be programming, they can't hold the data, they can't even see the data.
And we had it down cold.
We then worked with the FBI without pay.
So for all the haters out there, we weren't getting paid.
We're not feds. And we worked with them trying to really uncover What really happened through all of this.
That went all the way through 2021 and into 2022.
I met with them.
We talked with them extensively, both via text and via voice, and worked with their counterintelligence operators up in the Michigan area.
And ultimately, they came out and finally said, well, look, We had a big meeting in D.C. about this, and I think they're about to turn this on you.
And we're like, what?
Turn it on us? We've been working with you all this time.
I mean, what are you even saying?
And they said, well, you need to get ready to press, I told Catherine, we need to get ready to press the nuclear button.
She said, well, what's that?
And they said, well, you've got to go public with it.
We then scheduled a meeting with a couple hundred people out in the heat, out in Phoenix, at an old cotton gin.
Outside of town and brought a couple hundred people in.
And I had a day-long meeting, told them about a lot of the things we had been doing, some new technologies we were exploring, and spent the last hour, hour and a half really explaining this case, if you will, and what had happened with these Chinese folks.
A lot of really amazing researchers got hold of it.
Kanakoa the Greats, kind of one of the ones that's kind of most famous for it, but there were many others.
Digger Sleuth was involved.
And the authority.
And there were all sorts of these anons that had kind of come into the picture through that meeting that we had.
And they started digging and found more and more and more.
So it wasn't just that I had seen it.
They began to find more.
What also happened at that meeting was one of the lead investigators with the Los Angeles County DA's office came to that meeting in Arizona.
And he then took it back.
By now, it's 2022.
Yes, 2022, about a year ago.
And two weeks after that or three weeks after that, we were invited to come out and talk to him.
I went out and talked to him a couple different times.
Catherine went out one time.
We ended up bringing in a few of our contractors to help support them.
And around the first week of October of 2022, I was asked to come to a grand jury that had been convened out in Los Angeles over a fraud case with this particular group.
And so there's a lot of different components to that.
At the same time, they got mad at us, filed a defamation suit.
So while they're in court out in California, we're in court back in Texas where they filed a defamation suit against us.
Those were kind of moving along at the same time.
They went out and they arrested the guy, confiscated all of his stuff.
Our case was ongoing.
The judge in our case didn't want to hear anything about it.
He said, that's not my case.
I don't care what's happening in California.
This is my case.
He had issued something called an ex parte temporary restraining order.
An ex parte TRO simply means that the restraining order was gained from the judge by the plaintiff, this Chinese company, Connick.
Without even talking to us, without serving us, without anything, just on the strength of a ridiculous complaint that had been filed that accused us of everything on the planet, being racist and xenophobes and all this other kind of stuff.
Could I ask you something on that topic?
Yeah, sure. I mean, isn't the whole notion of an ex parte communication like a violation of due process?
Well, yeah. In fact, we didn't even know about it until we read it in the paper.
And then they ended up serving us.
And so there was some back and forth, back and forth.
Our lawyer showed up one time.
The judge was mad that we weren't there.
So we ended up in court over this TRO. Now, remember, though, this isn't on the strength of the defamation case.
It's not evidentiary.
It was just this TRO. And so we get in.
Catherine and I got in there the Thursday before Halloween.
Catherine and I go to court and we take the stand.
I went first, she went second.
And we spent a couple hours each, not just being interrogated by their lawyers, but being interrogated by the judge.
Judge Kenneth Hoyt.
From the bench interrogated us.
He's a senior. He's a judge on senior status.
These Article 3 judges, these are the judges that get to be federal judges for life.
But once they get to a certain age, they can basically say, I want to go on senior status and they can come back and pick up a caseload whenever they want it.
But basically they're sitting at home, you know, on retirement.
He comes back into the case and absolutely just verbally rapes us from the stand.
Or from the bench and does it to me first and says things like, well, look, I need you to, you're going to tell me who your source was.
I would tell him who the two guys were in the room that night.
And I said, no, no, sir, I'm not.
And he said, look, I got the highest security clearance in the land.
You're talking about the FBI. You're talking about this and you're talking about that.
You're going to give me that name.
And I said, no, sir.
Then they get Catherine up there and they're even more ugly to her.
They're rude to her.
They're I mean, they're just just ugly.
She wasn't even at the meeting.
She had no business even being in there.
It should have been about me if this is what they wanted to do.
And the judge says, well, you're going to give me that name or on Monday morning by Monday morning at nine o'clock.
This is by now it's Halloween by Monday morning at nine o'clock or you're going to jail.
Okay. Wow. And so we spent the next three or four days kind of contemplating this.
Went and met with our attorneys over the weekend.
Went and met with them that same morning that we ended up going to jail.
And at 9.01, he convened, you know, gaveled in the court.
By 9.10, he had ordered our detainment.
I mean, remember now, Kat's dressed for court.
I mean, she's an elegant lady anyway, but she was dressed nicely.
And I was too.
I had a, you know, not a tie on, but I had a coat on.
I was dressed well.
And, man, they cuffed us.
They chained us around the waist.
They cuffed our ankles and chained us there.
Shuffled us off, couldn't figure out how to even book us.
I don't know if you know this, but in federal courts, there's a chamber, a jail behind the court or near the court.
In this case, it was one story down.
And they couldn't. We spent about an hour just sitting there in the booking room waiting for them to figure out what to do with us.
And the Marshalls guys were great.
They were really, really kind people.
Asked us, you know, what's going on?
Like, we've never seen anything like this before over at TRO. We don't know what to do at all.
Finally, somebody from the court calls down and says, yeah, the judge wants them put in jail.
And they're like, in jail? Like, what does that even mean?
They ended up well first at that point then they shuffled Catherine off to where she was going to the kind of the lady side of the women's side they strip searched me and left us there for most of the day I guess thinking that we would fold right we would we would cower and fold and that'd be it But that wasn't it.
I mean, we obviously didn't talk.
We didn't have anything to say.
Next thing we know, we were put in cages, put on a bus and sent off to a medium security prison north of town, north of Houston.
I was thrown into ADSEG. Administrative segregation is a terrible place for anyone, let alone, you know, somebody like me.
Catherine was put, even more bizarrely, Catherine was put in this It was a medical jail cell for sure, but it was medical isolation.
It was mostly windows, so men, women, everybody walking back and forth in front of herself for the next three or four days could see her, whether she was going to the bathroom or whatever she was doing.
And so it was even more bizarre that it happened to her.
I mean, you know, there's so many, like, tyrannical things I'm hearing, right?
I'm hearing a judge is basically ganging up against you, which is a gross violation of due process, is basically working for the prosecution.
And, you know, these are all bar agents as well.
They all belong to the same, you know, group, same society, which is just such a gross violation of due process on so many levels, right?
Absolutely. They're making the process the punishment, which is something that we hear often as well, especially, you know, for somebody like Tina Peters.
It's like they seem to be hunting people, trying to make their lives miserable in order to make a point, which, I mean, I just fail to see how this is like not wall-to-wall tyranny.
Yeah. And for us, I mean, imagine, you know, we're just regular people, right?
I've never been to... I got into a fight one time when I was in school and got to spend a few hours in jail, but it was nothing like this.
But, you know, this was legit prison.
I mean, you know, MS-13, guys, this is a...
Basically, what it is, it's an ice-holding penitentiary of sorts.
People aren't there permanently, but there are people that are there for six, seven, eight years.
Generally, it's in and out.
Somebody's convicted of MS-13.
There were some gang members in there.
There was a wing of those guys, and there was a block of others.
It's just a mess.
What are we even doing in there?
About Thursday or so, we've been in there for three or four days.
The food's not really edible.
I don't know how anybody in prison eats, by the way.
If you ever do go to prison, I always tell folks, whatever you do, don't eat hot dogs.
The hot dogs are, it's like eating a plastic straw.
Oh wow. Food's not edible.
You know, we were in there and And really had no real idea what was going on.
We didn't have any communication with anyone.
They had kept comms from us.
And at some point during the week, President Trump got wind of this, started calling around to some state folks, and it wasn't a state facility, it was a federal facility.
Ended up getting the warden on a call, who, by the way, was an incredibly kind human being.
It really took as good a care of us as he could under the circumstances.
Prison is a violent place.
Lots of stuff happens. Medium security prison.
It's the detainment facility that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself in.
So things happen. And it was pretty rough.
I think we gained a little bit of cred because we weren't snitches.
There was some noise around wanting to know who we were and what we were when it came out that we're in there because we basically refused to snitch.
We refused to drop a diagnosis that found this data.
I think we gained a little bit of respect from some of the folks in there.
Trump, once he spoke with the warden, that put in place all kinds of mechanisms and things started happening.
There's not very many marshals left in the United States, but there is one in the South District of Texas.
The marshal came in and visited with us, did a wellness check on us, which was great.
We started to see some immediate changes after that.
We were still isolated, but they put us in an area that wasn't quite as bad as EDSEC. And certainly getting Catherine out of that crazy medical isolation unit where she was literally put on display for everyone to watch and look at.
It's just nauseating.
This is over at TRO. Yeah, isn't that a gross violation of human rights?
I mean, you're putting somebody on display like that in a glass cage.
That's my first question.
Isn't that a gross violation of human rights?
The second question is, why isn't that judge in jail for grossly violating the U.S. Constitution?
Well, here's what happened.
So the answer to your question about the human rights thing, it was so awful as far as I was concerned.
I started scheming.
I mean, I was willing to, at that point, just lie to or say anything I could to get her out, right?
I mean, she had no business being there.
She wasn't in the meeting, right?
And the judge just wasn't hearing it.
So by now, it's...
But now we're about four or five days in.
On Friday, I think our attorneys, I may lose track of my days here, but on Friday or so, our attorneys submitted an emergency request to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans saying, hey, we got a problem here, guys.
The court ordered the plaintiffs to show cause and the judge, I guess, maybe to somehow weigh in.
I'm not really sure how that worked, but By Saturday...
Sorry, Greg, we lost you.
Could you hear me? Okay, cool.
Awesome. If we could just resume from...
You said by Saturday. You were talking about Catherine and what happened to her.
And you said by Saturday and then it got cut out.
Yep. All right.
So by Saturday, the court had said, look, you got to release these people immediately.
Well, it was such a stupid situation that they couldn't even figure out how to release us.
And then they were going to release us on Sunday.
And we ended up not getting out until, I think, Monday or Tuesday of the next week because they didn't even know why we were there.
They couldn't figure out how to release us, right?
Wow. And we hadn't officially been booked, but we sort of did.
And it was all over this.
It was all over contempt to court, right?
The judge was mad that I wouldn't give up the name.
And that's what it came down to.
You know, in the end, it was such a complete insanity.
You know, you're asking about the judge.
Yeah. I mean, and Catherine's not, but I am bitter about it.
You know, she's a much better person than I am, and I gotta tell you, I was mad then and I'm mad now.
There's no way that that judge should ever sit in front of a case again, ever.
He should be removed from the bench.
He should be impeached.
Whatever it takes to keep that guy out of the court has to happen.
This was an outrage, and we were targeted because we were white.
Is the bottom line.
Wow. Wow. I mean, let me ask you a question on that topic, right, in terms of these judges and their behavior.
You know, isn't the legislature supposed to hold these judges accountable according to our laws and our Constitution?
And if the answer to that is yes, why is that not happening?
Well, this is a federal court.
And as you know, you know, the Republicans don't have any control over...
Over the over the Senate.
So and I think that's where it would have to be dealt with.
But that said, you know, I really don't know that it got so much more even bizarre after we were released.
So so we ended up asking the judge to recuse himself because of everything that had happened.
We filed a motion to to have him recuse and have to ask him to do it.
Well, the plaintiffs flip their lid.
Right. I mean, they thought they had this thing rigged and and And he ended up, you know, the Fifth Circuit had made some pretty pointed comments about what they thought about this judge.
He ended up recusing himself.
I mean, if there's credit to be given, I guess the guy at least acknowledged that he was biased.
And so he did recuse himself.
Could I ask you one more question about that?
Could I ask you one more question on that?
Because the judicial branch is just a really interesting topic because we've just done so many episodes where it just seems every single court, and you know, this is one of the courts we hear about is like family court, which is like literally breaking laws, kidnapping children, trafficking children, and there's no due process, right?
And then we hear the same about these courts, you know?
Is there, you know, in terms of The behavior of these judges, right?
Constitutionally, they're not supposed to do certain things.
You know, we're talking about the legislature holding them accountable.
Again, I just wonder why is it that there is no checks and balances when it comes to this sort of behavior?
Shouldn't it be that regardless of Democrat or Republican, the minute that the judges violate their oath, violate the Constitution, they are held accountable?
Well, I can tell you that Catherine and I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly.
They should be held accountable.
If nothing else, then they have to stop the senior status nonsense where these judges get to go home and get paid $200,000 a year to be retired, sit on their butt, but to pick and choose and come back into a case just so that they can, you know, exercise the biased nature of their own personal feelings.
It's an outrage and it shouldn't ever happen again.
That said, the violation of the judge's oath of office to me is the most profound and important spectacle that was put on display.
This guy was in fact biased.
He was violating the Constitution.
Everything that he did, everything that he said was a violation.
And while he certainly had the right to put us in jail, He didn't you know my view of it is he didn't have the right to do it under an ex parte TRO that was a total lie that they made up right from the outset and frankly I think the the fifth circuit completely agreed with that and ultimately you know he recused himself um what ended up happening post that um uh we started with once the new judge got in there we decided that we were going to start playing a little more hard ball
We were able to finally get some things in front of the court that would help exonerate us.
And we opened this website back up I think it was about six or eight months ago, but we used it in this case for the first meaningful time.
Think of it as sort of a curated search engine where we can go in all the data that Google hides, all the data that Bing hides, all the data that they all hide from the search engines.
We decided to put it into our own search engine called Open Inc, open.ink.
You can go in and look at open.ink slash conic.
We dumped everything into, this was about, on or about the 1st of May, or the 1st of April.
We dropped everything that we had on Connick into this open source site for the world to see.
The next morning, literally 24 hours later, Connick dropped the lawsuit.
So all of that that we went through, had we been able to get that information that we ultimately pushed out into the world, into Open Inc., Or through opening.
And then they dropped the suit.
This is crazy. Wow.
Wow. That is insane. Sorry, God.
One question here before we get too far from this topic.
And I forgot to ask you this earlier.
I'm sorry. But judge recusing himself.
Why is it that we have to...
Like, the judge has to agree to recuse himself.
Shouldn't there be another mechanism whereby they are forced to recuse?
I mean, if you could prove on paper, hey, you know, this is what the law says.
The judge did something that was...
Completely against the law, like trying to have you reveal sources which you are not forced to reveal according to the Fifth Amendment.
Isn't that something that at that point there should be a mechanism whereby which the judge is forced to leave and rather than leaving it up to the judge, leaving it up to things like, oh, we got to use public exposure now to hold the judge accountable as opposed to things just functioning properly and lawfully.
Yeah, and had he not recused himself, we probably would exercise some of our rights to that end and taking this to the Fifth Circuit or above and get this thing taken care of.
You know the crazy thing about it though, when I think about it, I was thinking as I was talking, We could have this other than the fact that we finally went to jail on this one.
We could have this same conversation about five other lawsuits or six other lawsuits that we're in.
We're being information in Georgia.
We're being sued for I can't remember even what the charges are in this other thing in some other case in federal court in Georgia.
So we're in two other federal cases there.
Every time we turn around, we get sued.
But even when we win them, I mean, they just pile on a couple more.
In the end, this is just lawfare, right?
This is they don't care whether they win or lose.
They just want to bankrupt us.
And it's an absolute outrage, the fact that we're having to defend ourselves in this case.
And by the way, we were just sued again last week by the state of Georgia.
We submitted complaints to the state of Georgia two years ago.
They just now have decided, hey, we want to look at those complaints.
This was like a few days after Raffensperger, the Secretary of State over there, challenged President Trump to a debate.
A couple of days later, they file some sort of a lawsuit, which we haven't been served on, by the way, demanding that, guess what?
They want to know our sources.
You just can't make this stuff up.
These are people ostensibly, you know, on the right.
So whether it's the left, the leftist judges, these Chinese companies, you know, people over in Georgia, and these are, you know, a Republican Secretary of State, a Republican Attorney General, and a Republican Governor, and they're demanding that we turn over our sources.
It ain't gonna happen.
We're not gonna do it.
And in that particular case, by the way, we had already turned the data over to them, to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
And they decided, we're not going to look at this.
It's interesting. And then two years later, the state sues us to find out who the sources of that info were.
I don't even know what's happened. I don't even recognize my country.
As I said, I've been doing this for 42 years.
I've never seen anything like this before.
This is complete insanity.
Seven lawsuits at one time.
Almost all of them are completely bogus.
It's an outrage.
You know, Greg, this is something I've got to mention because this is something we talk about on our episodes quite a bit.
We've done 125 something plus blood money episodes, talked to lawyers, talked about our legal system, talked about where did we go wrong as a country?
Why is it that our system has become tyrannical?
Why is it that people that are doing things against the government narrative and the media narrative are We're literally being hunted like the Tina Peters of the world, like you and Catherine.
And I gotta tell you, I mean, after a lot of this research, it seems as though the main issue is that two branches of, you know, we're supposed to have checks and balances in our country, right?
Between three branches of government.
But how is that possible when literally two branches of government Are controlled by the lawyer, judge, industrial complex.
And by that, what I mean is that the judicial branch is filled with 100% bar agents, right?
They're all bar members. And then the legislature is filled with 75% plus bar agents.
So, you know, are those bar agents, a.k.a.
lawyers, a.k.a. attorney, a.k.a.
esquires, really going to hold those judges accountable when it's just, you know, their little private club?
You know, that's where I think...
I've identified that there is an inherent issue of a lack of checks and balances.
And I was just wondering what you thought about that thought.
Yeah, listen, you're spot on on this whole thing.
It's gotten so out of control.
I mean, if you think back when I was first getting into this, yeah, there were some brutal cases I've been around and involved in.
This has been going on in the United States since the year 1800, literally.
Hamilton tried to steal it from Jefferson.
And then in 1824, they did steal it from Andrew Jackson the first time.
He was so mad, he went back and figured out how to steal it himself.
And in 1828, he stole it.
And by the time you rolled up into the late 1800s, I mean, there's huge evidence that they were getting people drunk.
They were trying to get them drunk and then get them to vote for them.
This has been going on forever.
Where we are now, though, is a completely different animal.
They don't just want to win and they don't just want to cheat.
They want those that oppose them dead.
Like they want you out of the way.
Catherine was poisoned.
Catherine was poisoned last year.
And you think about, you think about that.
So this is a lady who she, she describes it.
She'd never before 2009, when she started true, the vote, she had never been in court ever.
Not one time in her life since 2009.
She's never been out. Yeah.
And it's just wrong, right?
Can she have the audacity to speak up?
The cat's out of the bag at this point.
I mean, it's out of the bag in terms of our industrial complexes, whether it's military, whether it's the judicial industrial complex, they're basically geared towards the destruction of the people.
As long as, you know, if they follow the narrative and they're nice little sheep, You know, they're right.
But the minute you get out of line, it seems as though these systems are weaponized to destroy we the people.
Now you analyze it a little bit more and you realize that these courts are a cash mechanism, cash making mechanism.
And this sort of rampant corruption happens everywhere.
There's old people losing their estates through fraud executed by lawyers and judges working in unison, literally like teamwork.
There's documentaries about that topic.
I mean, it seems as though these systems that are supposed to protect we the people have been weaponized against we the people.
And this is just another fine example of that level of tyranny.
I think you might have to log back in and log back on because it froze up again.
Well, this is all very interesting, by the way.
While we're waiting for Greg to log on, I mean, think about this, right?
Why does every time we interview people like Greg, this sort of thing happen?
I mean, it's just so bizarre.
You look at what's happening with Sound of Freedom, do a search on that, look what's happening You know, in social media as far as people getting clips of all of a sudden projectors not working and the sound not working and, you know, the AC not working, all kinds of things not working because they don't want you to see this information and this is why we fight this, why we put all this stuff out there, because these people like Greg's saying, they'd rather have you dead than you get out of your slave status.
Think about that.
The minute you talk out of freedom, the minute you say, hey, I want you to protect my constitutional rights, they'd rather have you dead.
They make people's lives like Catherine.
Hell, beautiful, elegant lady.
There is no reason to make this lady's life hell.
There's no reason to politically persecute this lady, but they do it because she's gone out of the chosen narrative.
So anyway, Greg, I apologize.
We got disconnected again.
No worries. But we're talking about the persecution of Catherine and how they have weaponized the judicial system against her.
You know, I don't mean this.
This will sound like, you know, some sort of a gender bias comment.
I'm sure there will be people fuss about it.
There's no way on the planet that a lady like Katherine should end up in jail for anything, you know, unless she committed some crime.
The fact of the matter is that this was a hit.
She was targeted.
I was targeted. But I'm a guy, right?
I mean, things happen. Things happen that, you know, put guys in jail occasionally that they shouldn't be there.
But there is no way on the planet, no possible way, That that lady ever should have gone to jail.
She is an incredibly kind person.
She's a Christian woman.
She has an enormous heart.
She's done absolutely nothing wrong.
And for that judge to target her for whatever reason, do I think it was racial bias?
Of course, I do. Would she say that?
She would just say no.
But that's her.
But man, I'm flat out mad about it and bitter about it, but it fuels my fight, right?
I mean, we've got, I think somebody told me the other day, it's like 400 days until early voting starts or something like that.
And that's just nothing in election integrity land.
We've got a lot to do. We've got voter rolls to clean.
We've got to set up both ways to play offense and ways to play defense.
And we're working hard every single day to get ready for it.
But man, I'll tell you, I don't know if I've got PTSD about it or not.
I'm sure you do.
I'm like sitting here behind the mic and I feel like I have PTSD. It's like after what you've been through.
What's really curious to me is that 2009, I mean that is just such an interesting number because for most people this wasn't even on the map until 2020.
So you're telling me Catherine was working on voter integrity issues back in 2009.
What's the story behind that? Yeah, she was in Texas.
It's an off year for local elections.
So they were having local elections in 2009, meaning all the mayors and all that kind of stuff around around the state.
And she was in her garden listening to a radio show, some people talking about about, you know, all the Bad, dirty voter rolls and all this different stuff.
And she's like, well, I've never done this before.
I want to go. I want to learn how to do this.
And and so a month or so later, she started True the Vote just to give people a place to come together.
You know, let's let's Republicans, Democrats, independents, whatever.
Let's all just come together and watch these polls and let's just be sure that it's going to be OK. And that was her thought.
A few days later, months later, she challenged a whole bunch of like ACORN, if you remember ACORN back in those days.
But the same ACORN people came to Texas and they were going to register like 100,000 people in Houston.
And she's like, no, that's not even possible to register that many people that quick.
So she challenged it.
A couple of days later, every single voting machine in Houston was in a warehouse that burned to the ground.
They've never solved it.
Yeah, they blamed her at first, and they realized, okay, that's kind of stupid.
We're not going to blame her. Two years later, she had the audacity to start the nonprofit version of True the Vote.
By now, they're really panicking, right?
They had already sued her in state court over the 501 C4. Well, now she wanted to do the C3. And they blocked it, of course.
The IRS blocked it. Well, next thing she knows, she had, I always mix up the numbers, but it was like five different federal agencies conducted 23 different audits or investigations of her in a very short period of time.
So she sued him. She sued him and won.
It took her eight years in court, seven years in court.
But she sued him and won.
All the while, she kept working.
She testified before Congress a couple of times.
And, you know, she continued to do what she set to do.
She is the strongest, most effective leader in this movement today.
And look, I mean, I'm I started in a long, long time ago, mostly involved in election-related stuff.
But really, cleaning voter rolls has always been a thing.
There's never been anyone as effective as Katherine Engelbrecht.
Never. And that's why they hate her.
They won her out of the game.
Let's talk about the voter rolls part.
So in one of the interviews we did in the past, there was a whistleblower that's been involved in elections since the 90s, right?
And what she was saying is that between elections is where they basically use quote-unquote clerical errors as a way of introducing enough addresses, phone numbers, email addresses that are fraudulent that are actually Use in order to create the necessary votes to steal an election,
right? And what this individual was saying is that there's a technique where, let's say you're running for office, you would get the voter rolls from the state, and you would basically take a sample size of, let's say, 5% and mail out postcards with return addresses to those, you know, to that sample size 5%.
Of the voters, right?
And then you see how many of them bounce back to you, how many of them come back, return to sender, and that starts to expose the amount of fake voters out there that are going to be used for fraud.
Is that something that you've heard before?
You know, I think that, you know, all those things do happen.
Up to Asia again, Sam?
No, no, I'm here. I'm here.
I'm just turning my video off just because we're having bandwidth issues.
I gotcha. You know, the dirty voter rolls has all kinds of reasons, right?
I mean, famously, you hear occasionally that dead people are, you know, casting a ballot or, you know, there's all these different things.
But in some ways, it's a little more simple than that.
According to the census, about 11% of Americans move every year and another 3% of Americans die every year.
And so that's 14% of the people.
If you place that across the voter rolls, even in that manner, if you don't clean the rolls for a couple of years, you can easily get 20, 25, 30% of the rolls are dead, are bad.
It's not just that, it's not that the people are bad, it's just that they moved, right?
Like when I moved from From Florida up to Alabama, and then I moved over to Georgia, then Georgia to Texas, and then back to Alabama.
If you don't clean those voter rolls, I'm still on those rolls somewhere else, potentially, right?
And people know who those people are.
And if you don't think the bad guys are getting those ballots, putting in a change of address form, getting those ballots, and then casting those ballots, you're crazy.
The biggest, most important thing we can do is clean these voter rolls.
One of the lawsuits that we're in currently in Georgia, you remember in 2020, there was a runoff, right?
There were two Senate seats.
It all came down to Georgia, right?
The runoff was on January 4th or January 5th, January 5th of 2021.
And Catherine and I went over there after 2020 and did some research on the voter rolls in Georgia and found that there were 364,000 people on the voter rolls That should not have been.
In other words, they were not eligible to vote based on where they live.
We took out everything else.
We took out the potential for dead people.
We didn't look at that. We didn't look at any of the weird stuff.
We just said, if you don't live in that county or if you don't live in that state, then you're not eligible to vote in that particular county.
Wow. Two days later, we were sued by Mark Elias and Stacey Abram.
Mm-hmm. That case made it all the way through.
That case goes to court in Georgia in a couple of months.
Catherine and I, they're saying we suppress the vote.
So we're being sued again for suppressing the vote because we had the audacity to clean the voter rolls.
Down to the letter, we followed the law.
Yeah. It seems as though the entire government apparatus, all these so-called public servants, have been essentially weaponized against the American people and against people that are trying to reveal the truth like yourself and Catherine.
Because they're coming after you guys.
I mean, that's very obvious that you go against their narrative and they're going to come after you.
Like, how did this happen?
How did our...
And tell me if you disagree with this statement, but how did...
Our government get full with treasonous individuals that could care less about our Constitution and laws.
Man, I don't know.
I mean, you know, the government employment roles have swelled over the years to the point, you know, and they pay them really, really well.
It used to be when I run a few state agencies before for a few governors.
And they just continue to swell the roles.
And they continue to swell the employment.
And they just keep pumping more money into it.
People that care are people like me and you trying to make a living.
And these other people, they care about getting their paycheck.
They don't care about me. They don't care about you.
They don't care about your kids, my kids, and my grandkids.
They care about getting their paycheck and they care about supporting the left.
And it's sad.
It's pitiful. I mean, how did we go from a place where, you know, our society was supposed to be based on honor?
I mean, we hear that word honor quite a bit.
But what you're talking about is, I mean, dishonor to a level of just, it's just become unbelievable that we've become such a dishonorable society.
How do we get here? It's frightening.
As I said, I've served in a couple of gubernatorial administrations in a couple of states, and my job, as I saw it, was eliminating those kinds of things and eliminating that kind of fat.
Texas, I think I got rid of 25,000 people and in Mississippi, I think three or 4,000.
So probably 25, 28, 30,000 people or so.
And then as soon as I left, they hired him right back.
And you just can't, you know, you just can't make this stuff up.
I know it's trite to say that and everybody says it, but you just can't.
This is insanity. This is complete insanity.
The United States of America is not, and I know every generation says that this is true, but the United States is not what it was when I started working in politics in 1982.
I mean, if you had to identify some of the crucial mistakes that we've made in this country that have resulted in our current status, in this current situation of a society based on dishonor, lies, fiction, false narratives, I mean, What did we do wrong that this became permissible, that such a dishonorable generation and a dishonorable group of public servants have essentially taken over our country?
Our view of it's pretty clear.
This all started with Cloward Piven back in 1966 with the war and Johnson's war on poverty.
From that moment forward, everything that happened seemed like it was downhill.
The more you give money away to people, the more you enslave them.
There are 90 million Americans on Medicaid right now.
How could that be? There are countless number of people on the welfare rolls still.
You just don't hear about it as much because they block granite to the states now.
You have the Motor Voter Act that passed when I was a commissioner in Mississippi back in, I think, 94 maybe.
We were the only state that refused to implement it.
And basically what it was saying is, I had to, because I was running Health and Human Services, so anybody who came in to apply for any of our programs, whether it be welfare or Medicaid or whatever it was, got an automatic Uh, ability to, to, um, register to vote.
And, uh, my boss has said, no, I mean, registering to vote is, is a right.
You can, you can say no to that.
You don't have to say yes.
And forcing, you know, registration down people's throats or forcing them to vote.
You know, that's what, that's what they do in communist countries.
That's not what we do here. And my boss, the governor, said, no, you're not going to implement it.
And I said, let's fire away.
We got sued almost immediately.
A couple of years later, the Supreme Court overturned and I was gone by then, but they made them go ahead and implement it.
But those kind of things have eroded elections.
They've eroded the system.
They've eroded confidence in government.
And really brought people into, you know, government will take care of you.
Don't worry about it. Whether it's, you know, welfare or Medicaid or food stamps or whatever it is.
I mean, this is just going on and on and on and on and on.
And in fact, I laughed the other day.
There's some supposedly new movement where they were going to make able-bodied Medicaid folks are going to make them work.
There's a couple things about Medicaid.
Medicaid is mostly for kids, number one.
I mean, I think the vast majority of people on Medicaid are kids, so how are you going to make them work?
That's stupid. But the other thing is, you know, we've done programs like that before.
Back in 1993, we passed one called Work First in Mississippi.
We're the first of its kind in the United States.
Shortly after that, Tommy Thompson and his team up in Wisconsin passed a Work First-like program.
And it lasted for a while.
Basically, what we did was we just said, look, if you want food stamps and if you want welfare, we're going to convert it to a wage, give it to an employer.
If you if you work for it, you get it.
If you don't work for it, you don't get it.
That stuck around for a couple of years.
And of course, the courts killed it or actually Congress killed that one.
And you just can't, you know, it.
Either we want to hold citizens responsible or we don't.
And the problem we have now is that a lot of those people that were not being held responsible before are now running these departments, running these agencies.
And there is no accountability.
There's no nothing out there.
I read that all that COVID giveaway money that they gave, I can't remember what they called the thing that they gave to the employers.
Yeah. I don't remember.
Some fantastical percentage of that, like 25% was stolen.
Wow. Look, I'm not necessarily opposed to that because we all had our businesses decimated, but stealing?
I'm opposed to stealing government money.
I just don't get it.
I'm just from a different generation.
I'm an old guy. I tell my beard and everything.
Actually, since mules, I just noticed on the camera here that my beard's gone completely gray thanks to 2000 mules and conic and going to jail.
Oh, wow. Wow, wow.
So crazy. So, you know, I was at a Trump event actually about a couple of weeks ago and he was saying that they have all these plans to make sure 2024 goes well and a lot of things have happened.
I mean, what is your prognosis of 2024?
What has happened thus far that will give people confidence that 2024 is not going to be like 2022 and 2020?
And should they feel confident or is there a lot more work to be done?
Give us a whole scope of what we could expect for 2024 to the best of your knowledge.
Look, you know, our view of this is there is a lot more work to be done.
I have a lot of things happen. Yes.
There are places like Wisconsin where they banned drop boxes.
That's good news. Georgia mostly banned them, but you have to put them inside now where you can't get to them 24-7.
So there are a lot of good things that have happened out there, but there's a lot of bad things too, right?
I mean, they still continue to cheat.
They continue to use some of the age-old problems that we have built into our system.
Number one, first and foremost, by far the biggest issue that anyone has across America is that voter rolls are dirty.
If we have 20% bad voter rolls, you're going to get a bad outcome.
And we have to clean the voter rolls and get serious about it.
Legislators start ordering it to be done or you don't.
We built an app a couple years ago called IV3, Independent Vote Validation and Verification.
And it basically is a way for folks to be able to help clean the voter rolls in their own counties.
And of course, I think we may have been sued over that once or twice and people just want it shut down and they don't want us doing it.
The states are supposed to be doing it.
The counties are supposed to be doing it.
If we don't get these voter rolls clean, mark my words, we're going to have problems.
We have 400 days until the election.
If everybody would stop talking, stop complaining, get off of Twitter, get off of TrueSocial, and actually start working, we could get these voter rolls clean.
But it's going to take everybody jumping in and pitching in and making this thing happen.
There's going to be lawsuits galore.
People are going to be unhappy.
People are going to be mad. There's going to be protests.
There's going to be all sorts of things that happen out there.
But the law compels them to clean these voter rolls, and they're not doing it.
So if they don't clean the voter rolls, there's no possible way that this thing can be certified.
We're looking at all sorts of ways to ensure that that does happen.
But there are a lot of other people out there doing some great things, too.
Look, I'm optimistic. I wouldn't still be in this if I wasn't.
But I also believe that this is, you know, this is an important one.
If I could just say one last thing, it's really important that we understand this.
As I said earlier, This has been going on in America almost from the beginning, and it is the plight of a patriot to be vigilant in every single election.
Each election is a battle.
The war is for the republic, but each election is for the battle.
They're always going to come up with new schemes.
They're always going to come up with new ways.
Like I said, back in 1854, they would get them drunk and then get them to go vote.
Well, now it's a little bit different, but same net effect.
Elections are being stolen.
And our view of it is that as patriots and as people that care, That we've got to stand up and we've got to be ready to fight.
And the primary way that we can fight is to get these voter rolls clean.
We do that, we give ourselves a fighting chance.
We don't do it, we're destined to lose.
It is the price of patriotism in a representative republic that you'd be forever vigilant in these elections.
The battle is for the republic, but you lose too many of the elections and the war is lost.
What is it for the regular person out there that's sitting there complaining on Twitter and kind of wasting their time letting off steam without really doing, you know, taking action?
What could regular people do to help fortify our elections?
Well, you can keep an eye on truthevote.org.
I don't know that they're going to relaunch IV3 exactly as it was.
We built it for them and they launched it.
We may find another way to launch it.
Open.inc. We're going to push out an open source version of that so anybody can use it.
If you don't like our app, you can build your own.
We're going to give you all the tools you need to build it.
We're going to give the voter rolls.
We're going to give everything that people need to help clean it up.
The other thing is, start putting pressure on your legislators.
Start putting pressure on your local county officials.
Forcing them. Try to force them to clean up these rolls.
Be relentless. They're compelled by law to keep the rolls clean.
If they're not doing it, they're in violation of the law.
Keep an eye on Open.Inc.
Keep an eye on TrueTheVote.org.
We're going to be pushing out a lot of opportunities to do this.
But if we don't, if we don't, remember, The war is for the Republic.
But each of these elections is a battle inside that war.
And it's time to fight, though.
And we've got to do it.
I mean, you've been in this fight for a while now.
I mean, if you were to take a guess what the future holds, I mean, what do you see the future of this country?
And feel free, by the way, you could, you know, this could be choose your own adventure.
You could give us like the really bad possible outcome.
You could give us a potentially positive outcome.
But what would your future prediction be?
I think that the patriot class, I'll call it the right of center and further right, Are finally waking up.
People are starting to realize that this is a problem.
What's interesting about it is, I think that even people in the center are starting to realize, you can't do this.
We can't allow these things to continue in this way.
And as it becomes more and more clear what the problems really are with these voter rolls and with some of the other nonsense that's going on, I feel optimistic that as they take away the ability to cheat by using the drop boxes and they take away, you know, all of the ability for people to mail in, mail in only voting in some states that are still doing it.
I think as we begin to consider that those are now legit possibilities that we can clean that kind of mess up, then we have a real chance to retake this thing.
Does that mean we're always going to win elections?
No. You're going to lose.
This is basically a 50-50 country, right?
And you are going to lose some.
But to the extent that we can take away their ability to cheat, make it free, make it fair, then even when they're elected, they're still going to have to perform.
The way it feels right now is a guy like Biden gets elected and what, the whole country just goes to hell?
Because Biden was elected and they're not worried about it because they're just going to cheat again.
That's when that pendulum starts to shift a little bit, right?
And it shifts a little bit to the right.
And all it's going to take is a little bit, you know, people just saying no more.
We start to see that in the Hispanic votes.
I mean, President Trump received one of the highest percentages of Hispanic vote that any Republican for president ever have, if not the highest.
And the reason is, those people are really hardworking.
The Hispanic folks, you know, just as a group, They work hard.
They're pro-life. They're religious.
I mean, these are people that really do care.
They care about this country. They've seen a lot of bad things happen in countries where they've come from.
And it's just the left is beside themselves because why would these people possibly be voting for Donald Trump or any other Republican?
And it's important that we continue to educate folks.
It's important that we continue to fight, but it's most important that we do fight.
You can't just say, oh yeah, I like that idea of cleaning the voter rolls, Greg.
You got to do it. You got to go out and knock on doors.
You got to go out and help us get this thing clean and get these voter rolls cleaned up.
Force the states, force the counties to do their jobs.
Clean the voter rolls.
The law is clear.
They're compelled by the law to clean voter rolls.
You cannot have clean voter rolls.
And you're going to hear a lot of heroes harping on this over and over and over again.
The other, just one quick thing.
I don't know if it's 400 days.
I'm just going to say it's 400 days.
But 90 days before the election, you can't clean the rolls anymore.
So if you just consider that, we might have 300 days or so, maybe a little less than a year to get these voter rolls clean.
We better get going because every time we do it, they're going to sue us and we're going to end up in court.
But if we do it right and do it under the terms afforded to us by the law, then it's going to be fine and everything is going to be fine.
If we don't and if we allow a couple more of these elections to happen where they just get to cheat their way into the presidency, Then I'm not sure what happens for me.
I mean, you know, this is my line in the sand.
And, you know, I'm an old guy, though.
So, you know, younger people need to step up and start getting ready to fight.
And that's exciting, too.
A lot of them are invited to speak all over the place.
And even though there's still a lot of leftists on campus these days, there's an awful lot of people that are listening to what we have to say.
That's awesome. What do you think about Biden's statements to, I believe, the Prime Minister or President of Turkey stating that he basically guaranteed him that he was going to be in office for five more years?
Yeah, he's an idiot, right?
I mean, the guy's nearly nonverbal.
The fact that America would even have to contemplate the possibility.
Think about how far he's come just since last year, how far he's fallen.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the guy's not nonverbal by the beginning of the year.
They'll have to remove him and put in Gavin Newsom or Michelle Obama or somebody like that.
You can almost feel it happening, right?
A few weeks ago, there were naked people at the White House.
And then there was cocaine at the White House.
And just yesterday, or the day before yesterday, he let it slip, allegedly, that we're almost out of ammunition, the 115 ammunition.
And you start thinking about all these little slips and all these little things.
It seems like it's getting more and more and more.
And remember, just a few weeks ago, I think it was over the Fourth of July weekend, They let him out onto a beach, onto the sand.
The guy could barely walk on hard ground, let alone in the sand.
He goes, you know, almost falling down out on the beach and he just looks like a doddering old fool.
There's a reason for this.
They're letting this stuff out.
They're trying to condition you to understand eventually, hey, we did the right thing.
We had to remove him from office.
And then you wait, they'll take Kamala Harris because she's a she's a problem for them.
But it won't be them.
It'll be some combination of like a Gavin Newsom and a Michelle Obama running for president.
I do not believe that that guy will ever be the president of the United States again.
I mean, doesn't it, okay, these kind of guarantees, whenever I've heard them, and, you know, we've heard these guarantees before, and then, you know, with people staying in the basement, with people not doing debates, making boldface guarantees that they're going to win the office, and then lo and behold, they win, but there's all this evidence of fraud, there's all this evidence of fraud.
You know, nasty things happening behind the scene.
Doesn't it scare you that he is essentially giving a guarantee like he knows that he is going to win this election?
I mean, doesn't that seem frightening that the fix is already in regardless?
It does, but you've got to remember that all of this is a psychological operation.
All of it's an info-op.
Among some of my friends, I famously say that everything's an info-op, and these days it sort of is, right?
But in this particular case, be mindful of what they're allowing to leak, right?
They're allowing things to leak that make them look really, really, really bad.
And then they're going to blame it on Biden, and then they're going to take him out.
This is not a...
Whether he's legitimate or not, there's no possible way that somebody with the faculties that he has, the inability to speak that he has, the violation of the National Security Act in saying that we're out of ammo.
If a soldier in any war zone Texted home or tweeted or something like that, that, hey, we can't fight.
We're out of ammo. You could end up in jail for 20 years.
Wow. Wow.
And all of a sudden Biden's allowed to say it on national television.
Wow. It's insane.
It makes you wonder if somebody gave that to him on a cue card or something and they kind of, you know, dug the hole for him, prepped it nicely.
You know, it's almost like could be people on the inside now, like saying that, you know what, we got to get this guy out of here.
So might as well make him look like a fool, establish a case that he is horrible.
And ushering somebody like Gavin Newsom, which would be a fascinating choice, actually.
Yeah, you know, I don't claim to have any inside knowledge on what the left is doing, but this is vintage left if they do this, right?
I mean, they control everything.
You know, they control... Remember, Hillary was mad in 2008 because they stole it from her, you know, by using their superdelegates.
And then she finally worms her way back in in 2016, and then she's mad because, you know, they had it rigged but didn't have it rigged enough.
And look, these people are devious.
They're underhanded. They hate you.
They hate me. They hate America.
They don't care whether you're white, black, or anything else.
They hate America.
They hate the republic.
That's why they're always talking about the democracy.
They're always talking about this and that and the other.
This is representative of a constitutional republic.
Period. And there's a reason why.
I mean, we're just a breath away from mob rule if we allow folks like the Obamas and Hillary and And now, you know, a nonverbal dementia patient to be the President of the United States.
You just can't. No republic can sustain this.
So everybody get ready to fight.
Fight first in the form of getting your voter rolls clean.
We'll have a chance.
And then everybody's got to get everybody out to vote.
I mean, we've got a lot of big plans for next year.
We're really looking forward to it.
But getting these voter rolls clean is the single most important thing we can do in the next 300 days.
Wow, wow. Greg, this has been really awesome.
Is there anything that we haven't touched upon?
Any updates? Any, you know, information that you'd like to share in closing?
Man, I would keep an eye on, let's just say on OpenInk.
OpenInk and truthevote.org.
Open.ink. We have a lot of really, really, really interesting tools that are going to be released there.
As I said, we're going to open source IV3. We're going to push it out to the world and let people implement their own voter roll cleaning systems.
We do these things called special collections where we're going to have all kinds of really interesting video and audio.
But we're also going to train people.
We're going to give people the tools that they need to succeed.
If you just want to sit around and figure out what are the deep fakes, what do those look like, and when they happen, we need to be able to call them out.
There's lots of tools that you need to understand how to use and operate to be able to do that.
So we're going to spend a good bit of time on all of that on my show, PatriotGames.com.
We're going to be augmenting, say from Greg's perspective, as you might guess, I'm a little more fiery than Catherine is.
She's a much better leader than me, but if you want to get in a fistfight, come join us on Patriot Games and I'll teach you how to do that.
This is awesome. Thank you so much, Greg.
And thank you so much for the amazing work you and Catherine have been doing.
And by the way, I had gone to one of your events and it was very fascinating how you put the whole history of this together.
There was a video there that showed how this has really been going on since, you know, like you said, the 1800s and voter fraud is a serious issue.
So thank you for being so, you know, I mean, literally on the cutting edge of exposing this stuff.
Well, I'd love to come back. Thanks so much for having me.
Appreciate you. Appreciate your listeners and all that you guys do so consistently.
It makes a huge difference to have strong voices out there and we appreciate y'all.
Thank you so much, Greg. And thank you for the viewers out there, especially for putting up with all these technical issues.
I could see my camera still kind of tripping out here.
But thank you so much for joining us on this very special episode of Blood Money.
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