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Oct. 1, 2023 - Blood Money
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The Biden Regime's #1 Gun Control Target - w/ Loran Kelley (Blood Money Episode 128)
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So, let's get started. Let's go.
So,
Today we have a very special guest, Loren Kelly, who's here to talk about his ghost gun adventures.
How are you doing, Loren Kelly?
Doing very well, Dem. How are you?
Great to have you on the Blood Money Podcast.
We met over the phone a few days ago, and you're telling me about, I mean, you know, hopefully I won't misspeak here, but you are one of the number one targets of the current administration or regime on how you look at this last election.
And they've been targeting your company because you guys are ghost gun manufacturers.
Could you tell me a little bit about what's been happening in your world and a little bit about yourself?
Oh, a lot. Yeah, I would say when it comes to privately made firearms or ghost guns or 80 percenters, whichever term you'd like to use, I think we are the number one target because we're the number one, I'd say, company or brand in the space.
We did not Pioneer that section of the industry.
What we pioneered was the, I would say, normalization of it and the exposure to it.
Homemade firearms are nothing new.
The Revolutionary War was won with homemade firearms.
You know, mass production of firearms is what's new.
So, you know, I would say, I would think that we would be the better option to go after if, you know, as far as like what they would want.
I mean, I would think they'd rather have privately made firearms rather than these mass produced firearms, but it is what it is.
So yeah, what we've done was we've taken a very, very old Probably older, it's older than the actual industry itself hobby and also vocation of making your own firearm at home and we've made it available and you know doable for I would say just about everybody not everyone really because you have to Have some measure of skill and time.
Of course, money to invest in it and whatever to accomplish it properly.
But the bottom line is, you know, this is not a right exclusive to, you know, rights aren't determined by your skill sets.
Rights are determined by your birthright as a human being in this country.
You know, and we feel very strongly about that.
So, you know, the portions of the government, I would say, not the government itself, but especially if we're going to look at this as a right-left dichotomy on the left, they've just kind of become aware That this is even a thing.
Their lack of sophistication and knowledge on the industry, they discovered this and they're all freaked out about it.
They just had no idea this thing existed and you had the right to produce your own firearm.
Up until recently, nationwide, you didn't have to have a serial number or register it at all.
In most states, it's still the case that way.
And it's because, you know, what people do not realize is that the ATF does not exist to track all your serial numbers and store all your stuff, at least that's not what they're supposed to exist for.
They were created under the Department of Treasury.
They were to track taxes on mass-produced firearms.
So it was the syntax, like why would alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives I'll be clumped together under one agency.
Well, it's because it was just a really it was just be honest.
It was a bureaucracy created to collect more taxes.
So there's a higher tax bracket.
There's excise taxes attached to those products when you're talking about engaging in commerce.
Well, if you're making a gun at home for your own purposes, you're not mass producing them and you're not engaging in commerce.
So the ATF really technically constitutionally Has no authority whatsoever about a gun you make in your, you know, basement or garage or, you know, living room.
So, you know, we're catering to that crowd, you know, and that group of people that have a keen interest in firearms, that want to have an intimate relationship with their firearm, and that they made it, you know, it's theirs.
It's very much like the kit airplane and kit car community, you know.
It's along those lines.
So that's kind of, I guess, some background on what we do and the space of the industry that we serve, you know, particularly.
Go ahead, sorry.
I just want to mention what I found really fascinating.
I hate to interrupt you because this is all amazing information.
But, you know, the fact that like a lot of these folks don't know their American history and stuff that like this whole, you know, making your own gun, Assembly your own gun thing is actually like something that's been around for a long time and they're freaking out about it right now because they think, you know, somebody just came up with it or something.
Right. Wow.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's the thing.
You know, it's what we're missing, I would say, politically with with the matches both on the right and the left, I would say, is we don't.
We've gotten away from having a historic view of our politics and our daily lives.
And what I mean by historic view, I mean, no one's really doing the due diligence on what they hear about history anyway, especially today.
I mean, we got a lot of misinformation about history and the historicity of the country and what we do and why we do it, I think would put a lot of things in a much better perspective.
On how we got here and why, you know, there's a reason why that most anti-gun people are the least educated on firearms in the industry and its history, you know, by and large.
Because I think, you know, these aren't, I'll probably make some enemies here with my base, but they're not all bad people.
They just have an emotional reaction or I would say a less than educated intellectual reaction to what they see in the media with firearms or quote-unquote gun violence, which is a term that's totally made up and I hate it, but I'll just use it because it's used in the media.
Their views and what they hear on gun violence, all of their information It comes from sources that want them to have an opinion of a certain bent.
It's hard for me to sound objective because of who I am and the industry I'm in, but I would say that the people in the industry We probably have the most objective opinion on firearms and what should and should not be done.
And by the way, the opinions in the firearms industry are fairly diverse too.
It's not all lockstep.
They're not at all like me.
I mean, I think all gun control is useless and pervasive and should go away, all of it.
But there's a lot of people in my industry that don't feel that way.
But at least in that circle, we're having a conversation amongst people that are educated and sophisticated in firearms and what the statistics actually mean.
They know where their guns are sold.
They know who uses them.
They know how they use them.
And when they hear stuff on the news, they can read much better about what actually is going on and what's happening because, you know, shocker, like what they say on the news isn't exactly what actually happens.
It's funny to me that this country universally understands that the media is full of crap.
Left, right, Fox News, CNN, they're all just garbage.
In my opinion, I haven't had cable in probably 14 years.
I just don't... I don't subscribe to that mainstream stuff.
This is why I like channels like yours, by the way.
I think it's a far more honest, upfront approach to the whole thing.
But, you know, it's funny that this country is unified in its opinion that the mainstream media is trash.
But they still...
Gravitate to things that are said that cater to their opinions already.
And they'll use what they know is fake news, which is a great term, to reinforce their beliefs without taking the time to educate themselves or actually understand the issue, you know, in a real way.
So that That's something that I just find interesting.
And so when it comes to this issue, the people that know the most about it are the people that are being ignored.
And in fact, more than ignored, targeted.
Despite what people may want to hear, I've never had a closed door approach when it came to the ATF. And it's no secret.
I don't like the ATF. I think they're an illegal organization.
I think they're unconstitutional.
I think they only have power by the fact That they have it.
How should I say this better?
The justification for their authority comes from the fact that they have it.
No other thing. Constitutionally, they really shouldn't exist in the capacity that they do.
Those are my personal beliefs.
But as a company to protect my customers and my product in this segment of the industry, I wasn't running out and poking the bear.
There's a lot of people in my industry that Very good friends of mine that were absolutely doing that and I don't fault them for doing that either because they had that has its place and kind of needs to happen in some respects but Paula Morady's goal was to normalize this segment of the industry to eliminate the black sheep stigma that it had when we came in and i think we've done that because the industry now has rallied around us and is behind us you know um when we first started this company the nra wouldn't even return my phone calls you
know because they looked at this whole homemade gun thing he's like oh You know, they didn't like it.
But now I think because of, and I will, you know, I'm normally humble, but I'll step up and take credit for this with Paula Merady.
We, I think, are responsible for making the rest of the industry aware of what this means.
So we have become the tip of the spear.
For the attacks on our rights when it comes to firearms.
And the reason that is, is because just when I would say the people that want more control in government We're getting more and more levers under control on firearms.
Along came homemade guns and just kind of upturned their whole thing.
And I would say not just, you know, that itself, the popularity of it, I should say.
And Paula Morady is very much responsible for that.
And I'm glad for that.
Because it kind of, you know, it just kind of messed up their whole plans.
And I think that's what the industry sees.
And they kind of get it.
The industry has become far more, I think, properly attuned to...
We can't really compromise on anything when it comes to gun control.
The old NRA way of having these town hall meetings With high school kids who know even less about the topic than even adults that don't know about the topic.
And capitulating with, oh, well, okay, we'll do background checks, by the way.
That was an NRA thing, 4473s, gun-free zones.
That was an NRA thing. And I'm not here attacking the NRA. I don't want people in the NRA to think that.
But I'm just pointing out that there was a mentality in this industry of, Okay, well, we need to protect our rights and the way we're going to do it is we're going to give up some ground that we don't really care about.
And I think they're realizing, oh, this ground we didn't care about 15 years ago is costing us a lot of Big ground today.
You know, so there's been wonderful organizations, Firearms Policy Coalition, Gun Owners of America, you know, have really stepped up and have changed the, I would say, the outlook of the way they see it.
And I think the NRA even, It's coming around to that, partly because of the scandals they've faced recently and all that stuff.
So I think they've got to come to terms with actually what the gun industry is today, because they need to catch up.
And what the gun industry is today, I think, is far, far better than it was even five years ago, especially 10 years ago.
So, you know, and I think what Paula Moretti's mission really is, is to provide quality products to its customers that allows them to take a joy and pride in what they're doing in their own craftsmanship and build, and at the same time, normalize something that should be normalized.
There's nothing radical or crazy or insane about making a gun in the privacy of your own home for your own purposes.
And I will say further, it's not even crazy or radical to say that the government should have no right to know that you're doing that.
And that's the crux.
That's where the battleground is, right?
Is... You know, well, the government would say like, well, we don't mind if people make guns at home, but we need to know that they're doing it.
We need to know where these guns are, you know?
And, you know, they use really wildly, I would say, dishonest terms like untraceable firearms by the term ghost gun.
No. It's like, well, the question I have is, how do you trace any firearm?
You know, you have to, just by, I would say the laws of physics dictate that a crime must be committed first with a firearm before you can track down a firearm used in a crime.
And if I commit a crime with a firearm, Even a very, very bloody and violent one, let's say, and I don't just ditch the firearm or the scene of the crime, what does the serial number do for you right now?
Nothing. And even if I did ditch it at the scene of the crime and they pick it up and there's a serial number, What is it doing for you now?
How does that tell you who even did the crime?
It actually doesn't tell you anything about who did the crime because most likely the person who perpetrated the crime is not the person that that serial number is going to lead you to.
The advantage of having a serial number and a registry or some way to trace the firearm is is way overblown by certain, I would say, chiefs of police and sheriffs.
There's a lot of chiefs and police and sheriffs that understand it and actually properly say it.
I mean, it doesn't really help us a lot to have a serial number on it.
And that's just the truth, you know?
And so, you know, so that the argument that we got to have these serial numbers to track these firearms to prevent crime is absurd.
Now, The name of your show is Blood Money, right?
Well, money. Let's just talk about the real reason why this is a thing.
Money. Why is a serial number on a firearm?
Not for crime prevention to track what?
Taxes. So when you have privately made firearms getting very, very, very popular and actually negatively impacting the sales of serialized firearms because people are glomming onto this more and more and getting more and more into it, which is wonderful.
The excise taxes that the ATF is getting is diminishing.
And if you ask me, that's their motivation.
That's what they care about.
It's the money. I've been talking a long time.
The juicy stuff that I wanted to dive into, because the Biden administration has basically been targeting, you would see.
Yes, it has, directly.
From what I heard, there was that speech where Biden was going off for like an hour about ghost guns and the dangers and all that.
So that was about you guys, basically.
Well, he was holding our product.
That was a polymer 80 he was holding on the Rose Garden.
He was holding it illegally, by the way, because before that speech, the Washington, D.C. passed a law that you could not possess.
It was an un-serialized blank or frame.
And that's what he had.
And I can tell you right now, he absolutely did not go through the process of serializing that frame and all that.
And just because the ATF was present at that speech doesn't make it any less illegal.
So he broke the law.
In fact, there was a female reporter, I do not remember her name, But she actually did a Freedom of Information Act on that speech to find out if he was doing that legally.
And she obviously clearly got nowhere with it.
But, you know, yeah, so...
Yeah, Paula Morady is the poster child to them for the threat that Homemade Firearms poses.
So yeah, they've been targeting us very specifically.
So in August of 2022, they Enacted what was called the NPRM final rule for frames and receivers.
And it very poorly, I would say, and very ham-fistedly tried to redefine what a firearm is.
And I would say that the current definition of a firearm before that was also ham-fistedly done and very difficult to understand.
All they did was take a muddy pond and make it muddier.
And no one could understand what the heck that was saying.
But that was not enough.
Because we read the law, we have great attorneys, and we go, okay, all right, and we adjusted the way we sold them, we adjusted the way we shipped them to be in compliance with this convoluted new rule.
And by the way, no due process, no legislation passed, no signatures from Congress or the Senate or really the President.
You know, we have this administrative government where bureaucracies run everything.
So you had basically the president ordering an agency to change a law through, you know, its policies and rules.
And they go, yes, sire, you know, Biden, we change it.
No due process, no constitutional flow whatsoever of a new law being passed.
By the way, if I could interrupt you there for a second, just on the Blood Money podcast, it's like everything is like that.
Now, due process seems to have gone out the door in all sectors of our courts and government.
Well, it's because, and I blame Congress and the Senate for that more than anything else, because what they've done is they farmed out their job of legislation.
I briefly met Ted Cruz when he was going through Nevada.
I was invited to go meet him.
I will say this much, he was very polite and he seemed very interested and listened to what I had to say, but what I told him was, You've got to stop these bureaucracies from doing your job.
You're the legislator. If you're going to make me swallow this pill of a social contract, which I never signed and was never asked to, and that social contract says, we have a Congress.
This is a constitutional republic.
We're not a democratic republic.
We are a constitutional republic.
And in a constitutional republic, this is how it works.
And okay, fine.
Gotcha. But no, it's not how it works.
We have Congress and the Senate who have created bureaucracies under the guise of, well, you know, it's a reasonable presentation, right?
This is how this happened.
Congress, and I think there was some honesty to it in the beginning.
I'm not going to say it was the hand of the Illuminati through all this whole thing, but there was some honesty to it where Congress and Senate can't have an expertise level in every industry and every interaction and transaction that happens in the largest economy the world has ever seen.
To a degree that makes sense, they can't.
So these bureaucracies were formed You know under at least the excuse was hey we're going to get experts in these fields to run these bureaucracies to aid us in more uh fairly and accurately writing laws for regulations for these segments of different industries right and what that's supposed to supposed to have done was create departments and bureaucracies that were advocates for
those industries Rather than what they are now, which is adversaries to everyone in those, especially the ATF. Probably more so than any other agency in any industry.
Maybe the FDA, but the ATF certainly.
They are not advocates to the industry.
They are adversaries.
And they constantly are in the way.
And getting back to the original point, What has happened, and I think somewhat by design by certain actors in all of this, was you take Diddleback.
Diddleback, who's the head of the ATF, admitted to Congress, he doesn't really know a lot about guns.
He couldn't, of course, none of them can.
He couldn't define an assault rifle.
He couldn't define certain parts of firearms.
And he just admitted, like, well, I don't know a lot about that.
And it's like, wait a minute, you're the head of a bureaucracy whose job it is.
To represent that industry to the federal government, to be an advocate to the federal government for that industry as a subject matter expert.
That's the whole point of the existence of that department, right?
And now they're not hiring or appointing, you know, people that are sophisticated, you know.
Honestly, the people that should run the ATF are people like me.
I'm not saying me, but people like me.
People that have a healthy distrust of the government and a healthy interest in the propagation and protection of their industry and the customers that participate in that industry.
That's who should be running these departments.
And yes, every law we pass should be very difficult to pass.
People complain about gridlock and, oh, now we're going to have a Democrat Senate and Republican Congress and whatever.
Good. Laws should be difficult to to pass.
That's a reason why we have this whole thing and you should not be at the stroke of a pen of some head of some appointed unelected bureaucrat that has obvious political bias to the people that appointed them and even probably dirt on them today you know and I mean with what's going on you know uh this whole sound of freedom thing you know like there's probably dirt on these guys and it Those are the people that are being put in
charge of these bureaucracies.
And it's at the expense of our freedom and our liberty.
So you can't to a degree, because of the way the government is structured, it's hard to say that this is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
It's kind of not anymore.
No, no. We are just the tax fodder to fund, I would say, the best retirement program for the elites that exists.
I just read the other day, Obama's worth $138 million.
Yep, yep, yep. Crazy.
How? Yeah.
$400,000 a year, he made for eight years.
If he didn't spend a dime, he didn't come close to that, you know?
And I understand. I understand that I would wager that there are investment advisors and stuff around the president.
You know, what he should do with his money.
You know, because what job are you going to get after you're president?
You know, it's like being in the NFL, right?
I get that. That makes sense to me.
But, you know, Nancy Pelosi, another one.
Like, how much is she worth?
And, like, what was she worth when she came into office?
AOC, you know.
Someone with basically no skills.
She was probably a great bartender.
But, you know, no skills.
But here she is.
She's worth millions of dollars.
And for what? She's a public servant.
And I think we need to bring that term back.
And I think the servant thing, I think every time the job of an elected official is brought up, we should use a term public servant and the word servant should be in all caps.
To remind all of us of what they actually are.
They are not leaders.
They are servants.
Exactly. So, you know.
This is, I mean, they basically are, we're conducting lawfare against, I mean, and they have been, it's ongoing.
Oh, yeah. Ongoing lawfare against your company, more or less.
Well, now we're getting into a whole other ball of wax, which is very much related.
And it is in the circle of corruption, right?
So we talk about Michael Bloomberg in Everytown and the Brady campaign and all those things.
That ilk. So what they're doing is running around and using the force and economic might of the government to come after companies like us.
So basically I'm up against unlimited funds, you know, unchecked power.
It's exhausting and it's taking its toll on Polymeridi and myself and my family, my employees.
I mean, it's a struggle.
I mean, it's hard enough in this country to start a brand, make it a national brand.
Hire, you know, 50, 60 employees we were at one point, you know, and build a brand to this and a company to this level.
Maintain integrity the whole time.
And that's just hard enough to do if you're starting a hamburger chain.
Yeah. You know, now we have these these ambulance chasing, you know, useless attorneys trying to take us down.
We have these groups that don't know anything about firearms or guns and basically abuse victims of crimes that are the violent crimes where guns are involved.
And parade them around as some sort of circus show to push their political agenda.
I think it's disgusting, if you ask me.
And they're going around to municipalities where there's unfavorable judges and public servants in charge there.
And they use the taxpayers' money.
Of people that very likely don't even agree with them to go after companies like mine.
That should be illegal.
It's very difficult for me and most of the time I'm not able to go after the government civilly when even they're wrong.
I've beaten the ATF many times in court.
I've beaten the governor of Nevada in court, you know.
Which governor, by the way?
Sisolak. Oh, beautiful.
Wow. Yeah, well, yeah, the crappy one.
Yeah. Yeah, him.
Shitstack, as we say over here.
Anyway, yeah, we beat Sisolak.
You know, and every time that these things pass...
It costs us money.
Even if it doesn't pass, even the fact that they rumor it around, because what it does is it causes uncertainty and fear in the marketplace and people don't buy or they cancel orders.
You know, that's the problem we're faced with.
So I'm unable to go after them and say, you cost me money.
If a private individual or entity did that to me and they committed slander or libel, I would have a good case to go after them civilly for damages.
I really can't do that to the government.
It's a very small needle hole to be able to do that.
I can't remember the legal term, but the bar is very high to be able to do that.
But they, when you're not breaking the law, they can go after you civilly because they know they can't shut you down through the law because they know you're not breaking it.
And it's the government, right?
And how do they know how to do it?
Well, you have these private non-profit groups running around whispering in their ear.
And our lawsuits across the country from all these different very liberal areas in the country that are suing us, their lawsuits are like carbon copies of each other, you know, which should That should be illegal.
That should not be okay to do because They're not only in running around Congress and law, they're in running around law enforcement and the executive branch and the law itself.
They're saying, I'm making a mockery of the law.
No, I am not. I am absolutely operating within the bounds of the law.
There is no loophole I'm running through.
I'm not skirting the edge, like they say.
That's what they are doing.
They're doing it by getting around the Constitution, by using bureaucracies to create rules and policies because they know they can't pass the law.
So they're doing ghost laws.
I would say 80% laws.
They're the ones that are skirting the supreme law of the land, which is the Constitution.
I'm the one that's actually being lawful.
I'm the one that's doing the right thing.
And every time I go to court or I get to present an argument, I have to present it again.
Hey, we've never violated the law.
I had a two-year criminal investigation.
Against myself personally and the company and my former partner.
Two years. Nothing.
Hundreds of thousands of documents, no laws broken.
They had jack squat.
And even when we came to the end with these things typically end with what's called a cooperation agreement, ours was kind of a unicorn because there was no admission to guilt by Paula Morady.
When you do a cooperation agreement in a criminal investigation with most companies, there's almost always some sort of admission to guilt, oh, we won't do this ever again.
Ours just acknowledged what we already did and would do anyways.
And it was, when I say already did, meaning these are the things that we did with our products and there was nothing wrong with it.
And we now see that you may one day look at it this way.
Okay, we agree that you might do that, you know?
And so that's basically the extent of it.
So, you know, if that was the best they could do, And so, we're not breaking the law.
But, every time we prove it, we've got every town and Brady's running around, whispering in the ear like Grima Wormtongue from Lord of the Rings, like, do this now, do this now.
They're evil. They're wrong.
They have no respect for the rights of Americans and no respect for the law or the Constitution.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that these people hate the Constitution.
Because it gets in their way a lot.
It really does. You know, so anyway, that's a bit of a soapbox, but...
Yeah, yeah. No, no. I mean, you're talking about a lot of things we address, you know, on Blood Money.
It's like this march towards tyranny.
I'm sure the globalist elite love these attacks.
And the fact that they made you, you know, target number one is just fascinating.
I mean, is there more you could tell us about the kinds of lawsuits you've been dealing with?
How many lawsuits?
I mean, I'd love for viewers to understand the toll that you're taking, because in a way, you are on the front lines for this freedom fight, and I'm sure that's causing you millions of dollars, probably dozens of lawsuits.
Tell us about it. Give us more details as far as what the toll is.
I'll do what I can because my attorneys are very like, oh, don't say this or that.
But yeah, dozens of lawsuits is true.
Millions of dollars, my bills that I owe, it's in the millions of dollars.
That's very true for my legal bills alone.
And it hamstrings the company, makes it very difficult.
Mainly the lawsuits center around commerce.
Like I said, we're not breaking the law so they can't go after us criminally.
So they get very creative on how they can go after us civilly.
So most of the time, it's like, oh, you're telling our constituents in, name random liberal city, that they're allowed to do this, but they're not.
And what's really funny, when they say that they're, you're saying they're allowed to do this, but they're not, nearly always, even in the cities that they're making this complaint, they absolutely are allowed to do it.
There is no law stopping them.
They're just saying that.
And the judges, no fault to them, they don't know any better.
Because there's a very specific...
Area of law, right?
Or not even law, because you're talking about ATF regulation.
I don't even want to call that law, but it's, you know, it is what it is.
So they just make allegations in their things.
And the allegations typically is, you know, you're ill informing our constituents that they're allowed to do this, but they're not.
And they throw out these bullshit statistics of, we've recovered this many ghost guns and this amount of time off the streets and blah, blah, blah.
And then they go into the anecdotals like, this guy shot this guy.
And we found it was a polymer 80 that he used, blah, blah, blah.
You know, so it's kind of this tiered thing.
Polymerity is misrepresenting what you are allowed to do in our constituency.
We've recovered X amount of product off the street since blah, blah, blah.
Here's a couple of anecdotes.
It's the same, and it's all coming from every town, in my opinion.
They're just giving them this formulaic thing, you know?
And it reads well in the media.
The way that these complaints are written is almost a script for a talking head for some media outlet.
And because it's very emotionally charged, right?
There's not a lot of logic or real data to it.
It's a lot of emotional content in these complaints.
We're in the middle of appealing the decision in Washington DC. It was a judgment of four million dollars against Polymer80 and it was very interesting.
The judge was swapped out midstream in the From what I understand, she was only a judge for a few months.
They had conflicting testimony from the plaintiffs, the people that were suing us.
D.C. was suing us. Their own witness said, these are not firearms and they're legal in D.C. Their own witness said that.
And then they had another witness that said the opposite.
And the judge just decided to go whole hog one way.
Wow. You know, and it's like, so I think the appeal is going to go well if you ask me, but I can't say too much about that.
But that's what happened, you know.
California, I'd like to address California a little bit because some people are mad at me because we just settled for five million dollars in California.
Here's the thing that a lot of people don't understand, and I can guarantee you the people that are complaining about this have never, ever been in that seat.
They don't know what it is.
And it's not that I succumbed to pressure.
It's not it either. I succumbed to math.
You can't look at that polymerase uh is giving five million dollars to California.
You have to look at that Paula Moretti kept California from destroying the industry and the company and getting a lot more.
So give us a little background on that case.
So that case was very much the same.
It's like okay they actually came up for unfair business practices was one of their like complaints.
I may be miss saying the exact complaint but that's kind of what it is.
It's like, oh, other gun companies have to, you have to do 4473s and background checks.
You don't have to do that with yours.
And the challenge that we were faced with in California specifically is they had the Handgun Safety Act.
Even though our product was not a firearm and not subject to the Handgun Safety Act at all.
It was the responsibility of the end user to build the firearm to comply with local and state law and federal laws.
It's the way it always has been.
That's their responsibility and it's well understood and communicated to the customers that when you build these make sure that when you're done it's compliant with the laws of your local state and federal government.
But since the parts that came in our kit that we shipped didn't have everything to build it to that Mm-hmm.
Exact. You know, by the way, by the time our case was done, the Handgun Safety Act was kind of shot down in another court.
It's just funny. It's kind of a...
Oh, wow. But it didn't matter because they were going off of the time frame.
So we were in L.A. County with an L.A. elected judge.
Mm-hmm. Right.
That was going to go into a trial with an L.A. selected jury.
Mm-hmm. There was no way.
We tried to do a change of venue.
It didn't work.
There was no way, them, that Paula Moretti was going to come out of that without tens of millions of dollars going to California.
There was no way. It's almost like, you know, one of the things that reminds me of is, like, there was that trial in New York with that woman that had accused Trump of rape back, like, 30 years ago.
Oh, yeah. And Trump had basically said, essentially, what an idiot she is.
And then she was suing him for defamation, and she won $5 million.
Yeah. And isn't she the one that kind of liked it and she said that rape is sexy?
Didn't she say that to Anderson Cooper?
She's a complete psycho.
She's mentally ill and they gave her $5 million.
So you know what's up with those courts in those certain jurisdictions.
No, that's it. And they definitely venue shop.
And that's the thing that every town does, right?
They select mayors and, you know, leaders in these areas.
And they educate them from their perspective on what polymerase is and the plague it's having on their area.
And then, of course, they get them all emotionally riled up.
They go, oh, my gosh, we've got to do something, you know.
And, you know, the typical leftist mantra.
We've got to do something.
That's an intelligent response to anything.
It's not. That's what's going on.
You're right. That case with Donald Trump and that crazy lady.
Anyone who has any kind of common sense at the very least goes, I'm not sure about her.
It's just... I mean I remember the interview Anderson Cooper had to cut that interview short because it was absolutely undermining the narrative they were trying to set because she was coming off like Even though I very sincerely think she was lying about it.
Even so, she was acting like she thought it was wonderful, the whole experience.
Anyway, it's very much that's what's going on.
So it's a challenge.
I don't know what else to say.
But we have some victories.
I will say that to give some more color.
So after the new rule was established, And we actually set up a wonderful business model based on that rule that was going to actually really service the community and also do a lot of good for Polymer80 and its dealers.
Right when we were about to start shipping on that program, December 27th of 2022, because I think that the ATF kind of knew that their rule didn't do anything, they dropped a letter that specifically named Polymer80 in it saying, Polymer 80s products are firearms.
And they all have to be treated as such, even though they're not.
But they went above and beyond their own new rule and made a whole new...
And it was just an open letter. They didn't even do a public reading.
They didn't do any kind of legal assessment of what the content of...
They just dropped a letter on December 27th And that's what hurt Paula Morady pretty bad.
Because we had to stop everything.
We had to take money we really didn't have and try to modify our tool to be compliant with that letter.
And we did. You know, we put a lot of work in there.
I'm still proud of that.
You know, a lot of people, like, they call it the 76er or the bridge frame.
You know, and people that are familiar with Paula Morady will definitely know what that is.
It's kind of a cuss word in the community anymore.
But I want, you know what, I'm proud of it.
Don't get me wrong. I like the traditional product better, but the 76er, as they call it, because it was like the joke was going from 80% complete to 76%.
It was a lot more difficult to finish that out.
It was a lot more. And what I was proud of was that it demonstrated to these people that, you know what, we're going to fight you on it.
But we're not just going to give up and roll over.
And even though some people would say, oh, you made this compliant product, so you rolled over.
Again, very unintelligent answer.
Because if I just sold the product the way it was, we'd be having this podcast and I'd be in an orange jumpsuit, you know, on the phone.
And it wouldn't have...
Benefited the customer or the industry.
It wouldn't have moved the needle forward at all.
Like, at all. So it's not like, you know, am I willing to go to jail for what I believe in?
Absolutely, I am.
But I'm also not stupid.
I will go to jail. I'll even die for what I believe in.
But if it's the right thing that accomplishes the right ends, I'm not going to go to jail.
To what?
So other people can feel vindicated?
No. I'll go to jail if it actually does something and means something and accomplishes more, even if I never get out.
And I'm not saying I'm going to go out and break the law.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that, you know, I would love it if the masses, and of course this is a pie in the sky, never going to happen, you know, wish, that people would have a better understanding of what's actually going on and what, this is a battle.
People don't have to understand this is a war, and the wars have battles, and battles have victories, and battles have defeats.
I'm trying to win the war here, and I'm not doing it.
This is not the same as the NRA going, oh, hey, let's do 4473s and background checks.
I'm not bringing ideas to the ATF on regulating stuff.
That's not what I'm doing.
What I'm doing is... It's almost like a chess game.
Oh, okay. You moved your pawn there.
All right. Well, I'm going to protect my king.
And my king, by the way, is my customers.
I'm going to protect my customers from you going after them and ending this entire segment of this industry, by the way, which is the tip of the spear to the rest of it.
I'm going to protect it.
And by the way, what I'm going to do is probably a temporary measure until I can get that ground back.
the battle you know and there's been a myriad of people that didn't fight the battle intelligently and they are dead or in prison and they didn't admire i admire their character and their and their principles but they didn't affect anything yeah you know and i'm trying to affect something i'm trying to leave a legacy For my family and my 10 generations later,
I want them to reap the benefits of what I'm doing today.
And that can't happen if the first minor infraction happens, I just destroy the whole company and go to prison.
I mean, that's just dumb. That's not a smart way to do it.
Yeah. It's amazing how you are looking at this as a war.
I mean, this is something that we touch upon on Blood Money like literally every episode where we are in a war.
It is a war on many fronts.
I mean, geez, on so many levels.
It is like they are trying to make us their slaves.
And I mean, I don't know if you know about the digital currencies and the Oh, yeah.
And, you know, the geoengineering.
I mean, I don't know how far you go with this stuff, but, I mean, we started this podcast, and to be honest with you, I didn't believe in a lot of that stuff.
Now, I mean, I'm worried, man.
I'm worried. I mean, I'm scared because it's clear that they want us to be slaves.
I mean, they don't want us to have guns.
They want us to be these drones.
And, yeah, they'd also like to take our three-dimensional world away and stick us in the middle world on top of that.
Oh, for sure. If you want...
If you want to find out for sure that the conspiracy theorists are right more often than they're wrong, it's not the other way around.
They are wrong sometimes.
I'm not saying that all of it's right, you know, lizard people or whatever, but they're right more often than they're wrong.
And if you want to find that out, do something substantial that gets them to notice you.
They're right. No.
They're right. I mean, I mean, you know, like I brought it up earlier, The Sound of Freedom.
I'm going to plug that because you go see it.
Yeah, yeah. Why do you think CNN attacked the actor and the director of that movie and brought up QAnon, which has had nothing to do with QAnon?
Yeah. To discourage people from going to see a movie that's about saving...
It's unbelievable. It's like a murderer being like, don't look at the murder scene, you know?
It's like, how on earth do you see that unfold in front of your face today?
And go, maybe Alex Jones was onto something.
I'm not saying he's right about everything.
I'm just saying, let's just go to the furthest extreme we can.
Maybe that dude, you could say a broken clock is right twice a day.
Well, he was right about that.
And it's funny that the first reaction of the number one movie in theaters that is about saving the lives of children Through expressing, albeit, I'm sure, exaggerated true story.
You know, it's Hollywood.
Every story is exaggerated, but it's still based on a true story that did happen and the lives and the victims were real people of real sex trafficking that is still happening at a level that is crazy, you know, today.
Why would your Why would your political affiliations trump your, I would say, human obligation to help?
If somebody's drowning and it's going to require two people to get this guy out of a river, I'm not going to wait and ask what president this guy voted for before I jump in with him.
I don't care.
Somebody's drowning. Let's save them.
Let's help them. You know?
It's ridiculous. And you know what?
I'm going to plug something real quick.
It's not me. Veterans for Child Safety or Child Rescue.
Yeah. Veterans for Child Rescue.
Craig Salman Sawyer.
A dear friend of mine runs a polymer 80 handgun.
That guy's got a great program.
There's a documentary he made called Contra Land.
Watch that. That came out years ago.
Same thing. And it was going to go on Netflix.
Here's the funny thing about that. It was going to go on Netflix.
And the week, I believe, or the month it was supposed to come out, guess what show landed on Netflix that same month?
Let me take a guess. It's that one with the French one with the little girls dancing.
Cuties. Cuties, exactly.
Yeah. They told him no, that they're scrapping it.
That they're not going on their network and they put cuties on there.
These are the little things that make it even worse that you don't know about.
Again, when you're on the front lines of this stuff, you go, yeah, you know what?
Conspiracy theorists. Another one, you're right about that one too.
We call it conspiracy truths at this point over here, yeah.
I would be happy if that term didn't exist because the truth is just the truth anyway.
It should just be the same as reporting the weather.
It's like another pedophile was caught in Congress today.
Who's shocked by that anymore?
It's like tomorrow it's going to rain.
It's like, oh, okay. What are the lies they tell us about guns and the statistics?
You're insinuating earlier that, all right, is one of the issues, and I know this is controversial, but there's a lot of gang violence.
Those kind of shootings.
I mean, are those numbers what they put first and foremost that are resulting essentially from acts of violence?
Okay, so this is how disgusting these people are.
And the fact that they actually don't care.
They don't care about the lives of people.
They don't care about the safety of people.
They don't care about any of that.
They care about votes. They care about money.
They use those numbers.
Yeah to pump their statistics. Yeah about which by the way a quick little note a lot of those numbers are actually based upon fatherless communities right where you have the gangs and Become the fathers and you've had you know, somebody like Denzel Washington Eloquently say that you know when there's no father in the home the streets become the father Yet those people that are running those neighborhoods, Democrats, are also very anti-male, anti-father.
They're not for the family unit.
So it's kind of like you want to destroy the family unit, which then create these kind of scenarios, and then you want to complain about these kind of scenarios.
I mean, am I accurate here?
Yeah, it's all true, and you're close.
But the way they do it is...
Yeah, you're getting to something that actually, you know, I was interviewed by the BBC recently, and it was about a two-hour long interview.
And it was all going to go into a written online format.
Mm-hmm. And I am not going to lie, I had the interviewer from BBC absolutely questioning her entire worldview when it came to God by the time she was done with that interview.
She was like, I never thought of things this way.
This is amazing. And my naive idiotic ass was like, oh, awesome.
Maybe there's going to be some two sentences out of that two hour interview landed there on the BBC. Yeah, wow.
And it was like, you know, a buddy of mine said, well, a two-hour interview, that's the worst they could make you sound.
You did a pretty good job. But, you know, one thing she brought up, she's like, because she was, well, actually, this was another interview with ProPublica.
She was interviewing the mayor, I believe, of Baltimore and myself because Baltimore was suing us.
And she was interviewing us kind of separately.
You know, she'd call him and then the idea was she was going to call him, call me, call him, call me.
I only did it once.
But one of her questions was like, well, weren't if, you know, Lauren, if you were the mayor of a city where gun violence Was running rampant.
I mean, what would you do?
Kind of like an attempt to appeal to my sympathy on, you know, what it would be to be in that position, right?
And my answer was, well, I'll tell you what I would not do.
I wouldn't double down on a bad idea because let me tell you, if I was the governor or excuse me, the mayor of a city that had lots of gun violence, I would by default inevitably be the mayor of a city that already had lots of gun control because it is the cities with all the gun control that have all the gun violence.
So I wouldn't be so lazy and I will say stupid as to say, oh, we just need more gun control because that didn't work and it never works.
Prohibition has never worked.
Ever. Not on drugs, not on alcohol.
Prohibition is a losing game.
Doesn't work on guns.
So I would actually give a shit about the people that elected me.
That's what I would do. Because they don't.
Because the reason gun violence is so prevalent there is not access to guns.
It's not that guns exist.
It's not because of ghost guns.
It's because these people in their lives, perfectly intelligent human beings, Feel that in these moments their best option is to commit what we would see as senseless violence on each other, that they're killing each other in record numbers.
It's like, what conditions exist in their lives that make that option viable to them?
No. That's the intellectual question that one would ask because then you would want to fix that problem.
It's the hard road, but it's the good road.
And politicians don't want to go down the hard road.
By the way, I don't think most of them are smart enough to even ask these questions.
Because, I'm sorry, if you were intelligent, you would probably get a job you would earn on your own without having to depend on everybody else electing you.
But anyways, you know, it's...
I find it that that's the part I find disgusting because it's not it's not care that they don't they don't care you know it's it's all about like what emotional statement can I make what low-hanging fruit regulations can I pass to put my name on so I can say I did this elect me again or I'm going to run for higher offices and point back down there and go look what I did over there I did something.
What did you actually do?
You created more laws that's going to create more violence and kill more people and cost more money.
That's what you did. Let's just be honest.
You're not solving any problems.
You're not a hero. You're an idiot.
I'll just say it. I'll use a liberal term.
We got to do better. We got to do better in the fact that we actually have to think about these problems.
You know, like, it's got to come from a human, it's a human problem, not a problem of inanimate objects.
You know, can a gun make a bad person worse?
Yeah, it can, but that's not the point.
Why is this guy bad?
Why? Why is he doing what he's, why, again, why is this his best option?
Why is it that somebody woke up in the morning and let's just say you know they they thought you know what the best thing I could do with my time is load up this rifle and drive to a school and shoot everybody like why why don't we ask that question like what why is that happening you know and it's not people treat it like you know you're walking around in life and then you see an AR
-15 and you have an uncontrollable urge to go shoot people it's like that That's not a thing.
It's not the gun, right?
And if you're going to put restrictions on that, all you're doing is hurting the people who are going to be victims of that guy.
You're making them more vulnerable.
I mean, gun-free zones, as an example.
That's just like an...
Why don't you just put a billboard with a lit-up arrow?
Commit violence here.
No one else is going to fight back.
Oh, shit. That's awesome.
You know? And it's like, well, think about it, too.
You know, it's like, and where do we put those billboards?
Where our most sacred and vulnerable people in our communities are, the children.
You know, it's like, do you care?
Because that seems like a really stupid idea.
You know, it's like, you know, I think there's something in certain people's mindsets that they just can't square with the fact that That evil exists regardless of whatever objects are created by people.
Access to stuff doesn't change anything.
And here's the thing about it. Here's something I would say this.
Here's an argument I would make for or very much against restricting firearms.
You ever like say you know you never back like a lion into a corner or a tiger into a corner right?
Well that's kind of what you're doing with gun control.
So let's take somebody who is A sociopath wants, desires to hurt and kill as many people as possible.
And let's say we were very successful.
Let's say in a fantasy world, we've actually eliminated any ability for this guy to get a firearm.
Never going to happen, but let's just say we did it.
Gun control is complete.
No one can get a gun.
Nobody. Or, let's just make it best scenario.
Only law-abiding people are getting guns.
Let's just say we have some amazing way to do that.
Only law. So people have guns and they're all good people.
Well, you have put this sociopath.
Sociopath doesn't mean idiot.
Doesn't mean they're not intelligent. And many sociopaths are very intelligent, which is scary.
And he's going to look at the situation and go, okay, guns aren't an option.
But I want to kill as many people as possible.
He's going to start buying chemicals and stuff to make a bomb.
Something that's going to kill people indiscriminately and do far more.
I mean, the options that you are making him explore.
You know? And I'm not saying.
I know how the left might spin this.
Oh, you're wanting Psycho Pass to blow people up.
I don't. You know, it's You are actually making him do worse things because you're making his options down to really rudimentary but indiscriminate I mean, it won't even, like, kill a lot.
It'll maim people. It'll do horrible things.
I mean, for people that know, like, world history, human history, I mean, even, you know, because I've thought about this, like, even if there are psychopaths that are going to use guns, even if they, you know, what you're saying...
You know, is accurate, is not accurate, whatever.
They're gonna use guns to harm people, and guns, therefore, could be used by the wrong person.
Still, the price of not being able to bear arms, defend yourself against people, organizations, governments, the price of that is still way too high.
I mean, if there was a school shooting every single day, you could still make a very strong argument for keeping our guns because That next level of tyranny is a lot worse than school shootings every single day because, you know, pretty much the population's dead at that point when you're under a slavery status.
Yeah, and it's...
I just watched a video on Facebook this morning where cops busted into a guy's house.
Like six cops just bum-rushed this dude in his home.
Because he pierced his own son's ear.
Wow. And they said, body art without a license.
And they dragged this dude through his own neighborhood, neighbors watching him, like three or four squad cars, six or eight cops, dragging this guy in front of all his neighbors, Like a real violent criminal because he pierced his own son's ear.
And I'm saying this seems to be unrelated, but it's not.
What I'm trying to say is we have this, you want to talk about pie in the sky stuff, that, well, this can't happen in this country.
I hear that all the time.
And I'm like, that is so naive.
Yeah. Yeah. It absolutely can, and it does happen in this country.
It's happening in this country.
It's happening. That's the thing.
It's happening, and we definitely have a lot of government officials that don't care if tyranny is upon us, straight up.
No, they don't. Getting back to your original point that you made, the biggest vehicle that is perpetuating and allowing it to happen at the speed and dexterity that it's happening is all these alphabet, three-letter, bureaucratic groups that have been...
The head of the FDA has more power than the president.
Because this dude, I mean, let's just look at the COVID vaccines as an example.
You know, really untested, you know, a lot of stuff coming out to suggest that, again, conspiracy theorists write again, that the vaccines were not as effective as they said they were.
They're still not fully admitting that they weren't effective at all, but they're saying, well, they weren't as effective as we thought, but you're better off with it than without it.
Not to mention that most credible doctors at this point are saying essentially it's a death jab, death jab, you know, that's it.
I mean, I don't know how you interpret that, you know?
Well, if you look at the cardiovascular issues, and especially professional athletes worldwide, in particular soccer players dropping dead on the soccer field and all that stuff, or some of them are lucky enough to survive that, Yeah, I mean, you've changed your mRNA, and it's going to...
From what I read, I'm not a doctor.
I don't want to be like, oh, Lauren doesn't know what we're talking about.
DNA, by the way. You meant change your DNA. You're no longer human.
But it is an mRNA altering, which affects your DNA, which means if you have children afterwards, they have that carried with them in some way.
I don't know what the effect will be, but, you know...
You know, I think this country needs to revive a healthy skepticism.
It's funny, it's like the very people, it's weird, the very people, I'll connect two things, that say complain about the patriarchy, whatever that is, are the same people that are typically pro-gun control.
And I'm like, wait a minute.
If you believe in a patriarchy, then you have to accept the fact that the patriarchy came to be because men are biologically stronger and tougher than women.
I would say, well, tougher, maybe not.
Women have a higher pain threshold.
But men are stronger and more powerful, by and large, per capita, than women, right?
And that would be the way the patriarchy would have been formed, right?
Because we would have to have had to strong-arm them into submission.
I'm not saying that's what happened.
I don't think it did that way.
But I'm just going along with their narrative, right?
That's how that would have to have happened.
Why would you be anti-gun?
If you believe that, because the best thing for women equalization is a firearm, you know?
And I guess what they're doing now is basically recruiting men to be women to fight for them, I guess.
Maybe that's what they're doing. But it seems to me that if you're a part of a physically weaker part of the species and you feel like you've been oppressed by the stronger Members of the species, you would be very, very pro-gun.
Like, I don't understand why they'd be anti-gun.
And getting to, you know, what were we talking about?
I was segwaying into something I had to train.
Left my head. I was comparing two things together where, you know, what were we talking about?
I apologize. We were talking about, well, you know, I always bring up the stuff about tyranny, how they want to make us all slaves and take away, you know, our guns.
Oh, okay. I remember.
I remember. Yeah, so you got these women that are complaining about the patriarchy, feminists, but they're anti-gun.
That makes no sense. If you're a feminist, you should want guns.
But also, you also have the same people or a different segment of people that are You know, very anti-Big Pharma, you know, and Big Oil and all this stuff.
But the second, all of the things that they accused Big Pharma of actually being and doing is manifested in your face for real, real time.
They were the first ones to back Big Pharma and defend them.
And that I found fascinating.
I was like, I thought...
I thought you didn't trust these people.
I thought you didn't trust Pfizer and Moderna.
I thought Johnson& Johnson.
I thought these are the people you were like, they're evil.
You know, there's these evil capitalist white men that just, they don't care about you, blah, blah.
But You know, I would say that the biggest thing that made...
I didn't get vaccinated and I never will.
The biggest thing that made me very skeptical and took my family and went, oh, hold on.
Hold on. That guy was very anti-Big Pharma.
Now he's our biggest cheerleader.
Yeah. And I'm not talking about just even the main people on the ground, which did happen.
I'm talking about personalities, you know, in the media that are liberal.
You know, they were very much, you know, in the tank about anti big corporations.
And then they instantly became their biggest cheerleader.
I don't know what screams payoff.
Yeah. Bigger than that, I don't, you know, and if why would you have...
Pay off, you know, prostitute, you know, another P word.
Yeah, another, yeah, yep.
You know, what else would it be?
And if that's going on, there is no way I'm going to trust anything they say.
You know, because he is, it's like, you know, that person has just been exposed to be A hypocrite and dishonest.
Right there. So I'm not going to trust him.
No way. You know?
You know, aside from the fact that Bill Gates said that if we do a good job with vaccines, we can, you know, reduce the population.
He said that like 15 years before COVID, you know?
I mean, you know, there's just these things that it was like, okay, just do the math.
You add it up. It's like, you know, and even when I was like People call it anti-vax.
I'm not anti-vax. I'm anti untested, you know, overly pushed.
Vaccines are great. It's a great technology and if it's used properly and responsibly and tested well, yes, but In this case, that's not what happened, you know, and it's just, I don't know where it's going, but it's just, it, all of this is all connected, right?
It's just, we are, we're beset with, our government is not ran by Congress.
It's not even ran by the president.
I mean, look at the president, that guy, that guy couldn't even operate a, you know, go-kart, let alone a country.
He's not running anything.
Congress isn't running anything.
The Senate isn't running anything.
The Supreme Court, I think, is our last line of defense, and they're doing a killer job, I've got to say.
Clarence Thomas has become one of my favorite people.
But who's running things?
It's like, well, it's these bureaucracies.
And talk about, you know...
Permission is better to ask than forgiveness.
That's how they operate.
Forgiveness is better to ask than permission.
They're just running around and doing things they know will very likely be shot down in the Supreme Court, but it's going to take months or years before it happens and they don't care.
And they know it.
In the media, the journalist is just the fourth branch of government anymore.
We don't have anybody watching The Watchers.
Let's go full circle back to Paula Moretti.
That's why I believe in this so much.
The only power that people have is the fact that we're armed.
That's the only power we have.
You can say, yeah, we have a voice, but who cares?
Who cares what voice you have?
If you have nothing, you have no teeth to the tiger, right?
There's nothing there. And what better way to be armed than in a way that the government has no clue about?
I'm very much behind that.
People are like, well, why don't you just serialize the gun so people can make them at home?
It's like, well, that defeats the other purpose.
Because it's not just the Second Amendment Paula Morady is trying to protect.
It's the First Amendment.
The First Amendment is I have every right to instruct you and tell you how to make a firearm.
That is fine. I'm also protecting the Fourth Amendment, like it's a right to privacy, like unlawful search and seizure.
Like you should be able to do that without the government knowing it.
That is an inalienable right.
And it's protecting the Fifth Amendment because you don't have to project to some law enforcement agency unsolicited and tell them, hey, I'm doing this, and possibly self-incriminate yourself because of all the convoluted, confusing laws that don't make any sense to anybody, even them.
You know, you can call an ATF agent A and ask them, what does this law mean?
You'll get answer A. You call ATF agent B and ask them the same exact question or the same exact law and you'll get answer B. And they're not the same.
They could be actually completely diametrically opposed to each other because, you know, but you called the agency that wrote the thing.
They can't even tell you what it really means.
And they do that on purpose.
Confusion. Well, we have rules.
We have rules about laws.
Laws have to be very clear.
They cannot be subjective.
They have to be objectively written and understood.
And that's why we have the Supreme Court, I guess.
But these policies written by these alphabet agencies, be it the IRS or whoever, are vague on purpose, in my view, because it allows them to enforce it in whatever way they see fit at the time.
Exactly. By the way, by the way, that's a trick that if you look at the Canadian Charter of Rights, it's very interesting because in the early 80s, Canada did their Charter of Rights.
That's supposed to be their constitution.
And it is so intentionally vague.
People wonder how has, you know, tyrant Trudeau been able to do a lot of the things he's been able to do.
Well, it's because their version of the Constitution is intentionally vague, and he's been able to pretty much become a dictator of Canada at this point.
Oh, very much so.
You know, uh, it's, it's, I've been floored by seeing what's going on in Canada.
And, you know, I, I, but I have very little room to talk because I'm living in a country that's doing very much the same thing, you know, it's not nearly as, uh, it's not nearly as bad.
I mean, Canada is basically a police state now.
Um, uh, but no, America is not too far behind, you know?
America is this country that's caught between a police state on the top and a cartel state on the bottom.
It's kind of scary. Again, that's why I do this.
This is why I do it.
I believe in it. I believe in it in my bones.
It's very hard whenever you believe in something so staunchly that you have to deal with this and you have to do things that you would You have to.
When I settled in California, that was not a happy day to me.
There was no way out.
There was no winning. It didn't exist.
That road was not there.
And the best thing for my customers, my employees, and my family was all the same.
Settle. I that's awful because I didn't want to set a precedent for the enemies of freedom and liberty to look at that.
Now the one thing that's cool I would not cool wrong word one thing that's positive that it's not much of a precedent for anybody else because California had that stupid handgun safety act thing to buttress their argument nobody else does I don't think any of these other lawsuits are actually going to go anywhere I think they're pretty weak even even in the in the uh the Areas that they're in, you know, so I think we have much better odds with those other ones.
But California stacked the deck pretty good.
But, you know, that stuff, you know, when you when you believe in this, you know, it's that's just it's just a terrible feeling because they're benefiting, you know, and you you know, it's yeah.
But beyond that, you know what?
Paula Morady is going through a really rough patch.
It's tough right now.
If I can say to our customers that have ordered a while ago and are waiting on our products, first of all, thank you.
I know a lot of you are frustrated.
We took a lot of hits.
Our supply chain has taken a lot of hits.
Vendors have been a little scary and skittish about making the parts anymore.
I mean, now it's coming back around.
I would encourage people that have ordered parts in some cases months ago that are still waiting.
I want you to please look at it in a certain way.
Like I said, this is a war.
This is a battle we're fighting.
And what you have enabled us to do in being so patient for your stuff is you're not just buying a product off a website.
You're participating in the fight with us and you waiting on your product is not only just deeply appreciated by myself personally and everybody that works at Polymerid, because we hate it too, we hate it, but This is the price of the fight, I guess. And I'm not saying that to be presumptuous on anyone.
I don't mean it that way. I mean that, I just want you to, if you could look at it that way, it's like, you know what?
Okay, I got to wait.
And it's been a while. And yeah, they said it would be this day, but it's going further than that.
And we're doing everything we can.
But look at it as this is the best way out of this.
We have to fight it.
And we're fighting to get our vendors back.
We're fighting to get cash flow.
Coming back because of the way things have gone.
And, you know, bringing the lowers back the way they were after, you know, I didn't even say this.
We beat the ATF and federal court over the new rule and the letter to the point where the federal judge vacated the entire new rule entirely.
It's gone. It's dead. That new rule is toast.
You know, we sued the director of the ATF. We sued the ATF. We sued the Attorney General of the United States, you know, over that.
And at a time when we had no income, and really no money but we still did it and we did everything we could to slug our way through that and you know we've taken on a lot of debt for that and put us you know there's some compromised positions out there but we have a lot of great vendors we have great customers i have great employees that have toughed this out with me and the company and the customers so i just want to put the whole thing in perspective No.
This whole thing is a battle.
This is why I wanted to get you on the show.
I mean, we talked to a lot of frontline doctors, other frontline individuals.
I mean, even people that have gone, you know, and pretty much done what the army should be doing, like former soldiers, individuals that are basically in the frontline fight.
And, you know, having you on here is just another front-line fight, really, because if you weren't out there fighting, I mean, our rights would be taken a lot quicker.
They'd get their, you know, little slave state, 15-minute cities, a lot quicker if, you know, people like you weren't out there fighting.
And what the homemade gun thing is doing is setting well-known precedents out there that make other gun control efforts much more difficult.
Mm-hmm. And I'm glad for that.
I want to make it as hard for them as possible.
But you're right. It's not taking just a toll on me.
It's taking a toll on my family.
My mom even calls me sometimes.
She'll read some newspaper article and she'll be like, are you okay?
Or are they going to kill you?
It's just stuff that Excuse me, that people don't see every day and maybe not think about it.
And I'm not, this is not. I hate complaining people.
I hate woe is me.
That's not what this is. This is information for people maybe on the sidelines or the outside or whatever that don't see it.
I mean, I'm an open book, man.
I've been accused many times of being honest to a fault because I just don't.
I'm very transparent.
I am who I am. I don't hide my cell phone number from people.
I get calls from customers to this day directly to my cell phone and they start talking to me like I'm working in my support department.
And you know what?
I love it. I love talking to my customers.
I love it. I don't complain about it.
The only reason I need a support department is because of the volume.
I would never I don't get off the phone as it is.
But I love this industry.
I love this company. I love this country.
I love the products that we make.
And I'm looking forward to hopefully soon getting to a point where we can start doing what we do best.
And what we do best is innovating new products and new ideas and better products and improving on our stuff.
We've not been able to do that for a minute because of All of this that's been going on, you know?
It's hard. It's very hard.
But I wouldn't...
There's nothing else I'd rather be doing.
Yeah. You know? Sorry.
That's awesome. That's awesome, Lauren.
Thank you so much, brother.
I got to cut it short because I have a podcast coming up in about 10 minutes that I got to hop on.
But this has been amazing. Thank you so much to Blood Money Podcast.
And, you know, we'd love to have you on in the future to give us an update on all these cases and hopefully, you know, hopefully better days ahead with these attacks from the government, you know?
Thank you, Vam. Yeah, I want to leave with a positive message.
Every day at Paula Moretti is better than it was yesterday.
We're digging our way out of this hole.
It's a positive vibe and atmosphere at Paula Moretti.
And we're excited about the future.
I know it sucks right now, but we're slugging the rats and getting out of the hole.
And my goal is to do more for all of my customers in the industry that I can do.
Hopefully, if things that I'm working on pan out the way they should, you're going to start hearing about that.
But, Vim, I can't thank you enough for giving me a platform to say this.
Thank you. Awesome. Thank you so much, Lauren.
We really appreciate your time, and thank you for being out there on the front line fighting these battles.
You know, it's a war and it's going to take years for us to get this country back on track.
Anybody that's been watching the Blood Money Podcast or Joey Gilbert's Gloves Off or Mindy Robinson's Conspiracy Truths, all the shows that we have on America Happens.
Let's not forget Gianna Maselli, State National University.
All these shows touch upon where we currently are as a country.
You know, these are the fights that are happening and these are the heroes that are fighting these fights so our next generation of children don't end up slaves, don't end up in these 50-minute cities, don't end up eating bugs.
You know, it's all part of the same fight.
So, viewer, thank you so much for joining us on this Blood Money episode.
I will see you on the next episode.
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