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The Trials, Tribulations, and Victories of Jesse Law - Blood Money Episode 124

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	All right, welcome to the latest episode of Blood Money.
	Today we have a very special guest, Jesse Law, the chairman of the Clark County Republican Party.
	How are you doing, sir? Doing great, Dan.
	How are you? Good, good.
	Good to have you on Blood Money.
	So, you know, we're in essentially campaign season.
	We have an election coming up for the Clark County Republican Party chair on July 18.
	So, you know, first things first.
	I mean, I want to dive into what's been going on regarding the campaign.
	Well, you know, I'm kind of honored.
	I have a lot of trust from the people who matter most, I think, in this kind of a situation.
	There's everything at stake for next year, 2024.
	This is about leading the free world.
	I remember being in D.C. in the Trump administration, and it was really that present in it.
	And we, on this campaign for the party, we have the support of our governor, Joe Lombardo, and then also President Donald J. Trump.
	I think that that should send a message and I've witnessed that it does, that if we're wondering what the people whose job matters, you know, their political future rests partially in the hands of a person who's deemed to chair the largest county in the state of Nevada for the party.
	You know, I mean, look, it matters to Governor Joe Lombardo so he can get his agenda passed.
	He has to pick up assembly.
	He has to definitely not lose any Senate or pick up some Senate.
	Donald Trump, I mean, if you ask him about Nevada, he's going to call it unfinished business.
	That campaign needs somebody that they can work with, somebody that they trust, somebody that they knows how to do the job.
	That endorsement is about a confidence on everything that they see.
	And there are other fringe benefits for our county, too.
	I mean, listen, if I hear our members discussing what they need to know about for next year, I get to actually talk directly to the staff and have some sort of a relationship or bond so that they know to take that seriously.
	And the perfect example of that is how seriously do we take get out the vote?
	How seriously do we take ballot harvesting?
	Yeah, and, you know, I remember actually, like, you know, so in full transparency, I ran in 2022.
	And, you know, one of the topics that I wanted to bring up myself is because we just did an interview with another candidate.
	And, of course, we're in campaign season.
	And, frankly, there was a lot of, you know, serious accusations, allegations that were being thrown out there.
	You know, my experience, which, you know, I like to be upfront about, was actually I found...
	You know, a lot of support from you, from Alita, from Holden.
	You know, Jessica, actually, before she left.
	And in terms of running in the primary, you know, there's been other counter accusations to that experience, which we've entertained on the Blood Money podcast.
	We've had it on our Blood Money podcast.
	So, you know, I did want to be transparent about my experiences.
	And the other thing I wanted to just be upfront about is regarding some of those accusations made by Nephi.
	You know, on Blood Money, we do a lot of, you know, for anybody that watches Blood Money, we do a lot of conspiracy, controversy, and corruption topics.
	And so, you know, when those came up, I said, is something like that probable?
	And I just wanted to clarify that Do I think there's a ton of corruption within government?
	Do I think that a lot of our politicians are doing wrong things that work against the rights of we the people?
	Of course. Now, in terms of what's going on here, with our podcast, we are a neutral party.
	We need to see receipts.
	And so I wanted to give you the opportunity.
	I mean, I'm sure you've heard about what's been said by Nephi in particular, who's running against you.
	So I want to give you an opportunity to talk about that and what your reaction to that was and what you'd like to present forth.
	Look, I appreciate that you're very thoughtful.
	I think you want to get this right.
	That matters to me.
	It'd be a reason to work with you going forward.
	But actually, I would admit that'd be a reason to work with you from the moment that you came in.
	You were sincerely looking for a solution to the problems that we face in our society.
	You chose to do that as a candidate.
	You also were saying, gosh, what can I do about that?
	And there were a number of us that were impressed that you would be willing to ask.
	Not everyone did. I think it's very important that I listen to the feedback of the candidates who didn't get enough.
	I'm aware that there is a feeling on that within a primary setting from the Clark County Republican Party.
	You know, we have different candidates all over the spectrum of offices.
	Ranging from governor, which you may remember in the primary, there were a lot of strong opinions and passions, all the way down to, you know, countywide races, races for judge, assembly, and on and on and on.
	In a primary setting, we don't get involved in those.
	It would be one thing if these guys actually came forward.
	You came forward. You said, you know, I want resources.
	I also don't really know. And in that environment, hey, Vem, okay, let's have a conversation.
	What is it you're looking to accomplish?
	Yeah, we can give you some perspective.
	And politics, there's an old adage.
	Politics belongs to those that show up.
	That does not mean that there weren't also accusations for the general of not enough done.
	Mm-hmm. If I was to put my head in the sand or make an excuse of some kind saying, oh, that's not exactly right, I think I'd be missing the boat.
	Feedback's important. Our members really define the policy going forward, and I have sought to embody that.
	So, I'm thinking of a candidate in particular, and I bet she knows who I'm thinking of if she's watching this podcast.
	She was not satisfied with the help out of the state or the county, and there were plenty of misunderstandings on her part.
	I mean, one misunderstanding, where's the money coming from the party?
	And certainly at a county party level, it's unheard of to having a meaningful contribution across the country for finances.
	We really exist as an engine of grassroots.
	And in an engine of grassroots, we can serve our candidates when we are training them, when we're directing them into strategic precincts, supporting them as volunteers instead of, hey, here's a staffer.
	What we did in 2022 We put them with our staffers who were working until midnight.
	I mean, they were overworked.
	But the lack of context for these people going door to door, if the most they got was that they knew how to use the phone and the app, and then they had like, you know, the literature that they could pass out, the script that they kind of follow.
	It wasn't enough.
	Not only that, you know, our membership is demanding that we actually prioritize ourselves what some of the, you know, political districts are too, not just an edict from on high.
	And that makes a difference.
	You know, there's only so much time resource, but if we have somebody directing everybody to one area, well, maybe we could have been successful had we put more resources into others.
	I treat this kind of feedback as very valuable.
	If I'm willing to listen, that means we've learned.
	That means we go forward and we build on it.
	So I would say that it is a fair critique to say that candidates needed more out of our organization, more out of me.
	Look, I did have one-on-ones.
	I did have roundtables.
	I did teach folks in time for the general election on numerous occasions, spending many hours doing so with everybody that came forward.
	And they needed more, too.
	As a result of those needs, we actually, going forward, we came up with our solution.
	The members did. We have a candidate development committee.
	That's a very well-attended and very active committee.
	The people who lead that are awesome.
	They're creating a bench.
	They're teaching values.
	They're teaching how to run campaigns.
	For instance, if you came in there and you couldn't speak to even five people at a time, you might learn that in a candidate development session where you're like, gosh, I don't even know how to speak to people yet.
	Maybe I have to learn up, you know, some skills.
	But you also brought up some other things that have gone on in this race.
	You said serious accusations.
	I know what you mean, but I can't treat them as actually serious in the sense that it's like whatever comes to mind, it seems.
	I'm aware of it.
	Usually I spend a lot of time with my kids if I can help it in my spare time.
	And if I'm with them, I'm not going to turn on any kind of a show.
	I understood that there were accusations, the content of which would have serious consequences if they were true.
	And serious consequences If they were false.
	If there are any specific you want to address, I would ask.
	I'd love to go through the whole list of them because I want to hear what you have to say about them.
	Again, you're on blood money, so we've got to ask the hard questions.
	Even though, frankly, again, this is the last compliment I will give before we dive into all these points, is that You're actually the reason why I wanted to join the party because I think you presented something fresh at that time and you know definitely not what I was expecting from the Republican Party and I think that you know that was my journey you know it's like I want people to be aware of my journey I want people to be aware of my personal experience and if there's a slight bit of bias there Potentially,
	maybe, I don't know, I will try to be as non-biased as possible.
	This deal with what Nephi was saying, he was saying that 5% of the budget is supposed to be allocated to candidates, but less than 0.5% of the budget was allocated to candidates.
	And how I responded to that, I did sense frustration from people.
	And yes, we were running a primary, but it's something that I heard over and over again about this non-support.
	So when I heard about this and said, okay, wow, that's like 4.5% of the budget is not going to the right place.
	Again, I'd like to see receipts, but how do you respond to that?
	I have no idea what he's talking about.
	I apologize. That's maybe a comment you might even hear a lot because based on what I've heard the accusations are, I don't know what he's talking about.
	What is this 5% of the budget requirement that he's talking about goes to candidates?
	I'm not aware of anything quite specific like that.
	I think it is actually made up.
	I don't know the dollar amount given to candidates.
	There was a gathering we did, you know, at the end of the cycle.
	And it was actually a really successful event, well attended.
	Didn't raise a lot of money.
	And we did give to some candidates what was there because we made a commitment to that.
	And I wish that we had a better fundraiser in that event.
	But it was a good event. It was the first event.
	We did it. It was at like off of industrial, somebody that has like a sort of a gun range and other things that were there.
	Really, really great place.
	But if you look cycle after cycle at the county party, this one in particular, or other county parties, they're not allocating to people running.
	They can. They can.
	And the reasons you would do something like that by just giving the money is because they've got an initiative that you believe in and you know that they need to send mail or they need to do whatever that is.
	What a county party and even a state and especially a state party does, because the state party doesn't give money to candidates directly.
	We're the engine that supports the volunteers.
	And in the state's case, when they receive the transfers from RNC, NRCC, NRSC, that's the Senatorial Committee, Republican Governors Association, those transfers go into the mailers that support these candidates.
	They go into all that staff that turns out the people, the staff that supports the volunteers that come from the county party, while our professional staff is paid for through those budget transfers.
	The party is responsible Four, motivating all of the volunteers and all of the engine of politics for the candidates.
	And the candidates have their own part to play too.
	You know, the man that ran for US Senate last time and made it to the general election, did not make it through the general election, owns that result himself.
	And what a county party chairman like myself owns, did we do enough as a county party to organize?
	When I look at 2022, well, we weren't enough.
	There was a loss.
	There were too many losses that shouldn't have been.
	I don't want to hide from that.
	But let me ask you on that topic.
	You're saying the party has the choice to allocate funds.
	I mean, wouldn't that be a perfect opportunity in 2020 to allocate those funds, to get ballot harvesting out there?
	And I remember specifically, Jess, you and I sat down and you said ballot harvesting is very important, which is actually like, you know, as far as the thought coming...
	From you, it's like very, you know, a lot of people weren't saying that.
	And you said that to me.
	And you said, you got to really think about that, right?
	At a time when not many people were saying it.
	So the thought was definitely there.
	But why, if money could have been allocated to that process, why was it not?
	Well, if you want to get down into the nitty gritty of the county party, if the amount of money we raised last year, and I think this includes some in-kind contribution, was over $80,000.
	And we had some cash contributions that are in the reports.
	That's where one of the opponents has it wrong.
	Seeing the Secretary of State's reports, you only actually report donations of $1,000 and over.
	And all the transparency comes from our treasurer to our members.
	And it's important that you actually interact with the officers of the party and ask those questions that are valid questions instead of just come up with accusations.
	Nevertheless, our Allocation of money was also devoted to paying down lawsuit costs.
	In 2021, we had an event for chairman the night before I had been banned from running.
	We had 500 people showing up in 114 degree weather, and it was late.
	It was like 530 at night, 114 degrees anyway, people getting sick from it.
	And that meeting got shut down and eventually I'm elected and the RNC supports, the Nevada Republican Party supports.
	But in that, I'm getting sued by the people who had tried to ban me and prevent all these other people from joining.
	Being told I can't be chairman.
	The judge decides I can call myself chairman.
	But see, I had to file another lawsuit because the other group was still calling themselves the Republican Party.
	$70,000 in legal fees later.
	And, you know, that was a reality.
	That actually, if you must know, that's one heck of a punch to get.
	You know, you get in the ring, and you get hit in the face, and gosh, your plan goes away.
	And, you know, it doesn't mean I was bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, but the realities of getting through litigation in June of 2022 are what they are.
	There was budget allocation then, there's still a balance for the lawsuits from all of that division from before.
	And those are unfortunate realities.
	We could have used all of the other allocation of funds to do mailers, to support our volunteers, even being able to support them better with refreshments.
	It didn't mean we didn't have any, but if people are giving their free time, you should do more for them.
	So 2022 was difficult from another perspective.
	But your question was specific on, wouldn't those funds be better used to give to candidates?
	That's a political question.
	If you say to which candidates, then we have to be honest.
	Commission District F is a razor thin margin.
	That one takes precedent over, you know, I'm going to pick on one, Assembly District 3, North Las Vegas, 60 or 70% Democrat, not even with the Independent and the Republican vote.
	You see how they have a disparate need or rather priority.
	And, you know, we could do that.
	If we had access to that, and that would be wise.
	But listen, if I had access to that money, then we would be talking about what you said on the ballot harvesting, right?
	Because the truth is, if we're relying solely on volunteers, and volunteers are very important, but they are a portion of that equation.
	Why? Because it's an unpredictable result.
	And you have to have a predictable result in any kind of a science, like a political science.
	It must be predictable. Volunteers, very important portion, a portion of the solution.
	And in a ballot harvesting environment, lack of training, lack of coordination, it turns into a hodgepodge half attempt.
	Was it done?
	It was. Was enough money allocated?
	No, it was not. Did the CRP have the budget for that?
	No, we did not.
	Is there a scenario there where the state party helps?
	There is. And the environment is dynamic.
	I'm not saying that this is a good enough answer, okay?
	But we have to accept realities too, all right?
	That doesn't mean somebody is like wrong and we need to, you know, hold anyone responsible because, first of all, I did advocate for the ballot harvesting with full knowledge and intention that if you don't have a paid program that's organized and strategic and well-funded, You do $25,000 worth of ballot harvesting.
	Well, that's something a candidate can be responsible for.
	I'm talking like a robust half a million to a million and a half dollar program.
	And in a party like with the state party and all the PACs and all the campaigns, everyone fighting for money.
	Money also being decided nationally.
	I'm just going to come out and say Adam Laxalt was a very influential man when it came to national resources being allocated a specific way.
	And I'm picking on that gentleman for a reason because I told him how important it was that there was get out the vote and ballot harvesting.
	And there was no priority placed on it.
	And I know that I had the conversations with our current governor's team.
	I don't know how deep they went with it, but I know that that work was done through a PAC to some level.
	And then also, you know, I haven't talked about the state party.
	I don't know what the state party's allocation was in regards to get out the vote and ballot harvesting was.
	They had a program. And if it was just enough of a program because that was the only money that they could get and they had a vendor, then it was what it was.
	Also on the ballot in 2022 was stuff with those ballot initiatives.
	And the state party was spending money on that too.
	The state party was spending money on all of the mailers, all of the staff and everything.
	This is very similar to election integrity in 2020.
	When I did that for the Trump campaign at 16, it was non-existent.
	It was just a guy hired last minute.
	In 20, we had seven-month head start, no other allocation of funds for staff.
	We did pretty awesome.
	Not enough lawyers, not aggressive enough.
	Awesome for no resources, I mean.
	2022, expansion.
	We're talking multiple staff, statewide, a lot more lawyers, litigating in advance.
	It was expanded. You see how that scales.
	2024, we can see that same scale with election day operations.
	It is the same for ballot harvesting.
	Yes, I saw the writing on the wall.
	Yes, it could even be construed that I couldn't get that as a priority everywhere I went.
	It didn't mean I didn't talk about it.
	It didn't mean that I didn't try for it.
	In fact, I raised $150,000 that was used for get-out-the-vote and ballot harvesting.
	I don't know to what effect that was given to an organization to run their own staff.
	All right? If I had any conversations, it wouldn't have happened.
	I mean, so I'm sure the viewers ask me, how do we know, like, by 2024, this is all going to be fixed, it's going to be better organized, when, frankly, I mean, 2022 wasn't much of a success?
	Sure. Well, I'm going to push back.
	I accept all of that, that you say wasn't much of a success, if we accept also the successes.
	It is critical. We can't pick and choose.
	You know, where we were good, there were more Republicans turning out compared to Democrats than anywhere in the last 16 years.
	That's a success to build on.
	You know what else? We had the independents voting instead of 52 to 55%.
	They were voting 49%.
	Something to learn from.
	And that was all that ballot harvesting, if you ask me.
	Also, what did we do really well?
	We were the only state, only state to flip a governor's seat.
	Only state. And lieutenant governor and controller.
	Okay, and now that we know, let's place some high value on that.
	I was part of the solution and so was this party.
	Any criticism of me is also a criticism of the volunteers who were dedicated enough to make those really great things happen.
	Now let's address, you know, what you're saying on the criticisms, which are completely valid.
	You said, or you asked rather, how do we know that in 24, and I think the implication would be under leadership for me, that if we didn't get those things addressed in 22, like I just admitted, how can we get them addressed in 24?
	I think that's what you mean. What I would say is, On the path to 24, the relationships, especially with the Trump campaign and with Governor Lombardo's team, they're doing very well with building a robust PAC-centric group that's going to be focused on some of these complicated problems here in the state, like ballot harvesting, get out the vote, programs like that that require intensive grassroots efforts.
	When I was visiting the campaign staff for Donald Trump many months ago, It was sort of a, you know, where are you at was my approach.
	And I really wanted them to take Nevada seriously.
	Because like you, it's not enough for me to know the problem and not be able to do anything about it.
	So I took some liberties.
	I'm in a room full of, you know, all of my friends and then the people from the Trump campaign too.
	And I'm like, okay, look, I love Donald Trump.
	That is my president.
	I love that man.
	And also, you know, as the head of the largest county party, or the county party of the largest county in the state, if you're only going to run TV ads and send mail, keep your money.
	Use it in another state where that works.
	Because in Nevada, it's get out the vote that we're not doing right.
	And it's about harvesting. And I have to tell you, they knew, okay?
	But I know that if I'm not aggressive like that with everyone I run into, especially all of our candidates, and they don't take that seriously, then I'm not doing my job.
	It is my job to just hail that from the rooftop, and that's what I'm doing.
	Does that mean, and I loved and hated the phrase you used, how do we know it will be all fixed?
	You know, sometimes I'm like rolling a boulder up a mountain, and then it rolls back down, you know?
	And then I wonder if anyone even wants the boulder up that mountain.
	Will it ever be fixed?
	Cycle after cycle.
	If you don't put in that work, it will just recede back.
	So, yes, I'm rolling that boulder and I know I have all of our membership at it.
	We've got an awesome precinct committee.
	We've got a strategic initiatives committee.
	We've got a communications committee.
	These groups of individuals are very focused on what it means to address ballot harvesting from a county party perspective.
	If this was a party of one and it was just me, I couldn't implement anything.
	I'd just be, you know, mouthy and I'm good at that.
	But because I have, I don't know, 60 active members of these different committee groups every week meeting and trying to address some of these problems, that's created an infrastructure.
	That means we can support our volunteers.
	That means if we set a goal for everyone that signs up to be a precinct captain and we say, listen, can you get 20 people out of your neighborhood or family and friends that did not vote or did not vote Republican last time to vote Republican?
	Can I get, out of all of our members who are active, and more are coming, believe me, in time for that county convention next year, it's going to be a big group of people.
	Can I even get 500 people to commit to 20?
	Can they all get 20?
	And now all of a sudden, is the county party bringing out 10,000?
	You know, that closes the margins so much.
	And we're just that little county party.
	With hundreds and hundreds of active members.
	Just that little county party coming to the table with a great solution.
	That's what we're doing. You say, are we going to get it fixed?
	Fixed? Whew! That would be heaven set to call it all fixed.
	Working at it. And actually, you know what?
	I can proudly say passion and dedication exists within our members.
	That I'm proud of.
	I mean, okay, going back to some of the claims that Nephi was making, I mean, has there been any, you know, he claims that all of this of, you know, having not enough resources and things not happening is because of misappropriation of funds.
	Has there been any misappropriation of funds?
	No, that is a slanderous and terrible thing to say.
	Also, sadly, ignorant.
	You know how easy it is to contact, because we're all volunteers, but our treasurer Nice woman.
	Call her on the phone. And that's really all it takes.
	It's all accounted for.
	The worst part, there are a couple parts, I guess, that are the worst part about what that said.
	People hear it, and they're going to have natural concern.
	It is a terrible thing to hear.
	Oh my gosh, there is?
	But if you say it and you don't even know it, you don't even have any kind of basis in that, in fact, and you haven't even bothered asking.
	Now what you've done is you've tortured and taken advantage of the people who are willing to listen to you with no evidence.
	That's high disrespect to these people.
	That's high disrespect of our membership.
	I am outraged by it because if it causes any alienation of our base to think that there's a problem in our leadership, they're going to stay home.
	And I need them.
	We, you and I, need them to be involved next year.
	And here's a guy just throwing around accusations like this?
	Not even bothering talking to our treasurer?
	Please, by all means, talk to our treasurer.
	And then get specific.
	What misappropriation?
	What are you talking about?
	I don't like generalized accusations that are so extreme.
	Well, he was stating that, you know, it's this five percent that the state party has to allocate the candidates on and four and a half percent of that went everywhere but candidates.
	And there was a lot of other money going out of the state in general, helping elections out there when, you know, people hear that we're running for office.
	You know, if that's true, if that's true about the other states, and I don't actually know it to be, but I do know of a phenomenon in Nevada.
	If we're raising money on...
	There's a difference in federal money spending for politics.
	State money and federal money.
	Federal money is obviously way more regulated.
	In Nevada, state money, you can raise from one donor a billion bucks.
	Now, you can't spend it on something that impacts a federal race.
	That's limited. But if I had...
	I could have a bank account of a billion dollars and spend it on voter registration all the way until like 90 days before the general election.
	And that's state money, right?
	Well, Nevada has such an ability to raise that way.
	Other states are jealous. They want that money.
	They'll trade federal money for our state money and vice versa.
	That happens all the time. And so it depends.
	I don't know what that accusation is, actually.
	No idea. But it occurs to me, I have the knowledge to say, anybody seeing an expenditure that goes elsewhere, that's because that state was sending some money here.
	I would bet, right?
	I don't know what he's talking about, some requirement for 5% this and that, 4.5% this and that, that sure is not in the state bylaws.
	And you know what? If it is, I'd like to know.
	Let me ask you on that topic.
	Would you be willing to be put in a situation where he's given the opportunity to bring receipts and back up what he's saying to bring finality to this question?
	Well, I'm open-minded.
	What I don't want is to get into some sort of a back and forth because these things, by the way, We can't be at it with each other publicly causing spectacle and not expect everyone to see spectacle.
	These are things that if you just do like mature adults behind closed doors and ask questions, Instead of make accusations, now you've done it the right way.
	But since this has been leveled and put out in front of everybody, the question I face is, am I supposed to dignify something that doesn't even make any sense?
	Like, okay, fine.
	He says 5% has to be allocated to candidates.
	Well, if all of that transfer money was spent on staff that helps candidates, that meets the threshold.
	We've sent any mail at all from a state party perspective, and it's on candidates.
	We've met the threshold.
	And at a certain point, I don't even know what he's referencing.
	But I do know that all of that, if the viewers want to know how money is done at the state party, I've seen it as an operative, I've seen it as a volunteer, I've seen it as a board member.
	That money is as watched as anybody's money.
	People, like, pretend you go to buy even a house.
	What are you gonna do? You're not gonna do all your due diligence on an appraisal or anything?
	No! In this case, we have the best professionals in finance for federal elections watching over all of our reporting.
	We also have the RNC, which is watched out by the Democrats.
	Oh my gosh, would they have a field day if there was some sort of a problem with the reporting?
	Because the reporting is so specific on the federal election report that you cannot escape it.
	Not only that, we have our treasurer.
	These guys work with CPAs and, for instance, not even our chairman will sign any of the checks.
	Will not. It goes through all the normal treasurer processes, has CPAs, has the federal election CPAs that do all of the reporting.
	Why? Because it's millions of dollars and Nevada's on the line and they're watching it.
	Their donors want to know they're watching it.
	So my point is, I think it's really important that if somebody's concerned about not knowing what's going on, that they address their concern.
	But far more important is that you do it responsibly and respectfully.
	You know who's not the enemy?
	Each other. You know who is the enemy?
	The Democrats. And that's what me running for chairman is about.
	I'm saying, look everybody, I'm with you and I need you with me.
	I want to focus on 2024 from the standpoint that together we are...
	I've seen so much passion from our members, certainly in this race.
	I know that if we stood shoulder to shoulder with a goal, we'd go achieve that goal.
	Ain't nobody going to meet the passion or the dedication that our volunteers have.
	This is a robust group of people.
	And I want to refocus that energy to where it belongs.
	So let me ask you about, you know, again, getting back into, well, a couple of things.
	One, Nephi's podcast where he made certain claims, also our blood money episode with him, and also the article in the Las Vegas Review Journal regarding this Vinco situation.
	What could you tell us about that?
	I'm sorry. I was looking at making sure that my work call came in.
	You said that there was allegations regarding what specifically?
	Now, you are on the board of this company called Vinco, that that presents conflict of interest, that regarding as far as how you're listed on there, you're listed as nonpartisan.
	How do you respond to a lot of those allegations?
	You know, it does seem rather excitable.
	I happen to be a person who has a job.
	I'm on the board of a company.
	And, you know, it's not an easy job, actually.
	It's not like it's all rainbows and sunshine and whatever.
	I can assure you it's challenging.
	I'm an independent director is what that's called.
	What that means is I don't have a vested interest in the company.
	There's a standard that the Security and Exchange Commission and NASDAQ all have for what that definition is.
	And when you're going through that process, you go through it with attorneys and everything to make sure that it's buttoned up.
	I know that it is.
	I don't have any concerns on that.
	I don't understand the conflict of interest.
	I just have a job. They have done business in the state of Nevada, and I'm glad that the company has in the past.
	But I will say that it is important for me to tell you that the SEC looks at any public statement By somebody who's on a board of a company like this, very specifically, any statement that I make that could, could, not even does, could impact the share price is something that is forbidden.
	And they regulate it.
	And so I want you to know that while I can be an open book to as much as I can, there are places I cannot even talk about because it is a publicly traded company and any statement can impact the share price positively or negatively.
	And I won't go there.
	I can't. You're legally contractually bound not to speak on things that might affect the share price?
	Correct. And a good example of that with Martha Stewart, for instance.
	She just said a few words and it was prison.
	Okay. And I take, look, I take it seriously.
	You know, a job is well defined under the SEC that it is about the best interests of the shareholders, which means the best interests of the company.
	That's what the job is.
	I don't know if you can reframe the question.
	I'm not aware of any conflict of interest that he could be referring to.
	I mean, they don't do any business that circulates around any of the organization that I leave or Republican politics or anything like that.
	So, I mean, what about this allegation that you're listed there as a nonpartisan when you are, you know, ahead of the Clark County Republican Party?
	Oh, that's not a nonpolitical phrase.
	So that could be something that's misunderstood.
	Independent director is defined.
	If you Google, you know, Securities Exchange Commission definition independent director, it just says somebody who's a disinterested party.
	And they define what a disinterested party is.
	All right. And what I was trying to say is, You know, becoming a disinterested party as an independent director, you know, we went through that with our lawyers.
	Okay, so in terms of, you know, what we're told is that, you know, there's five board seats, three of them are no party affiliation, independents.
	It's non-political though, so it's not party affiliation.
	That's a complete misunderstanding of what it is.
	Okay, okay. Do you mind? I want to bring up this.
	Essentially, this was on Twitter.
	A lot of things are said on this particular slide.
	I'd love for you to read this and respond to what's being said here.
	Could you read that? I can, and I can tell you there is nothing I'm allowed to say about it.
	I cannot make any comment about it.
	And this is, with all due respect, this is not about disrespect.
	I've made very clear that the Security and Exchange Commission has an opinion about any comment that I make that can affect a share price positively or negatively, and therefore I cannot and will not be talking about this.
	You can't talk about it, yeah. I understand.
	Yeah. Now, here, I'm going to remove this real quick.
	Now, you know, there's been allegations that you helped to broker some kind of deal with the National Enquirer.
	Could you say anything about that?
	No. You can't.
	It's silly. I don't even know, you know, like that one.
	That's like... I mean, because the allegation that was made, and this is coming straight, you know, you could watch the Blood Money podcast, is that there was some kind of deal broker that would then lead to the indictment of the former President Donald Trump.
	And that question seems to be on this Twitter feed.
	It seems to be coming up.
	There's accusations seem to be being made.
	And I just wonder if you had any comment about that.
	Look, I'm trying, like on the fly, I'm trying to be like, all right, does it impact the share price or doesn't it?
	And then I'm thinking about lawyers going, what the hell are you doing?
	You're not even allowed.
	Don't! And I'm thinking about that because there's high liability.
	Again, think Martha Stewart, okay?
	You can't misspeak.
	Bringing anything between Donald Trump into this is completely silly.
	It is complete laughable nonsense.
	Cue Charlie Day pointing at his chalkboard with all the red yarn.
	Cue that because it is completely ridiculous, unfounded nonsense.
	Mm-hmm. And you don't feel like there's any...
	I mean, because the point he was trying to make...
	I know, actually speaking, there is nothing.
	Like, the point he was trying to make is this was, you know, wholly criminal.
	You know, Jesse's lucky if he doesn't get into trouble with the law.
	And I mean, you know, I'm, you know, paraphrasing him, but that was the general gist of what he was trying to say.
	Well, I can tell you that if I comment on it, I would be in trouble with the law.
	Does that make sense? And so again, with all due respect, I cannot and will not be talking about anything with that because I'm on the board of directors.
	I can't say things that impact the share price.
	I can't. No matter how much I feel for the situation, I can't even respond to people about that.
	And I want to. And I cannot and will not.
	But it doesn't mean that I don't take it seriously by the way.
	It doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to just one.
	But for me, it's a job.
	It'd be like, you know, do we know any public figure?
	I don't know.
	Tall, maybe former leader of the free world who's ever been sued before.
	For me, I'm on the board of a company that's being sued.
	That's what's going on.
	And I mean, in terms of the, you know, the veracity of the claims of the Las Vegas Review Journal article, do you have much anything to say about that?
	No, the article speaks for itself.
	And actually, what the journalist did to cover what the responses are are very specific and fine by me.
	You know, I guess the only thing that was left out by that journalist was the disposition of the first lawsuit that was raised, which was thrown out.
	Got you, got you. Now, let me ask you this.
	So, as you know, you're the head of the Clark County Republican Party, right?
	And I see a few issues with just the way things are run.
	I've been very transparent on previous podcasts that I believe that these positions, in terms of Michael McDonnell's position and your position, should be paid positions.
	20 or 30 years ago, yes, it was fine.
	Today, it's a different kind of warfare on the ground, and I say that in a non-violent fashion in terms of, you know, having these teams.
	It's like you're almost playing, you know, General Patton in order to even win this stuff because it's become so strategic.
	It's become not so much about the single vote, single person anymore, right?
	So, you know, to me, this seems like it has to be a full-time position in order for the people, a full-time paid position, in order for the people running these things to be general 80 hours a week.
	I mean, I compare it to film production.
	Every time you do a film production, you're basically building your army, you're going out to war, right?
	Those people are paid $120,000 a year, right?
	They're doing 80-hour weeks in order to be able to conduct, to be able to play general.
	And so I see an inherent issue in that.
	I see an inherent issue that the people that are, you know, running the party then have to find other methods of financial compensation.
	But in this particular case, and I sympathize with that, I want to be very clear about that because I think the whole system is screwy because it doesn't make financial sense to me, right?
	So, you know, you have this position, though, but this position is preventing you from being able to freely, transparently speak because now you have the SEC over your shoulders.
	What do you think about that picture?
	Well, listen, I understand what you're saying, but let's pretend I work for any corporation.
	They're not going to comment about their internal business.
	And if they're in a lawsuit, they're not going to comment about a lawsuit that does not make me unique.
	Full stop. I totally get that.
	I'm talking more about the general.
	I guess I'm trying to look at this from a bird's eye view and ask you, is the way this is all set up as these being non-paid volunteer positions that you and Michael McDonald are doing, Just inherently the wrong direction and doesn't make sense because then you have to go find other forms of income that might, you know. I'm telling you, listen, you're trying to create more problems for me, boobie.
	Like, think of it this way. If I was getting paid for this, oh my gosh, what kind of accusations would be like that?
	He's getting paid too much, you know, he's not worthy of this and that.
	It's always a problem.
	I actually would say the root of that is how are people viewing the world?
	And I have complete sympathy from anybody who's got a fear-based view of the world where they're thinking the worst version of everything because they don't know what to do.
	They're out of control. I've been there and it's no way to live.
	Sizing up the behavior of another individual as though they know how to even judge it without the facts and only basing it in accusation.
	It's a terrible place for fellow members of our party to be living in.
	I'm begging them to just join us and start attacking the Democrats instead.
	But to your question. Yeah, I mean, look, Ronna McDaniel gets paid.
	She has a co-chair that'll be paid.
	There's an infrastructure for that.
	It does make sense. In California, their chairman get paid, at least the state does, handsomely, by the way.
	And there are other places where that happens.
	And there could be a case to be made where you have like a working chairman.
	It actually resembles sort of a British system.
	It caught the executive chairman instead of a CEO and a chairman, executive chairman, right?
	And that could be justified.
	And we've not been in a position to do something like this.
	You talk about what should be.
	I agree with that.
	I think we've got to justify ourselves.
	Frankly, what I would love to see is that there's a legacy for this organization from my time there.
	And chief goal among it is that we value the things that we have in common and that we put aside any of our differences as irrelevant because they are irrelevant.
	The reason why we're getting off the couch is because we gotta go beat the Democrats and somehow we've lost our way.
	I wanna leave a legacy like that.
	And if another legacy is that we kick butt so much and we've built up a good bench of people to help take over the party and we find really talented folks, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, and as I think about this, you know, sure, it could be valuable that you could have a chairman that could devote the time and actually be able to earn the money and get paid for with the time.
	But, you know, I want to see us earn that first.
	I want to see us actually flip some county commission seats, flip some federal races, flip the assembly, keep the Senate or do one better.
	We can do it.
	We can. I mean, last cycle, as much as you were disappointed, let's not pretend I wasn't, all right?
	We had Assembly District 12 down near Lake Las Vegas stretching over into parts of Vegas and into Henderson, all right?
	This district, highly Democrat, comes within a few hundred votes.
	Not supposed to happen.
	They turned over the world, you know, the unions.
	Everybody sent people there for the ballot harvest to get everything they could because they couldn't lose that seat.
	We can do that.
	That candidate happened to have a good message, a lot of drive, and a great connection to the people there.
	We can do that.
	Our party can help do that.
	And look, we have some wins.
	Yeah, I think donors are going to come to the table and see a value in that.
	I do. But I don't know.
	I mean, I can see how it could be valued, but But really, the question really is, can you as them or another concerned member control the behavior of literally anybody else in the whole world or your chairman or anybody else?
	No. You know what you need?
	You need people who have integrity.
	You need people who value that.
	I'm telling you right now, I value so highly my integrity, my dignity, and my goodness, that my goal and my version of victory in this race is very well defined.
	Don't depart from those three things.
	If I win an election, but I depart from those three things, I've lost.
	That's no victory I won.
	And so my point is, look for people who celebrate goodness, celebrate integrity, keep their dignity, and you don't have to worry about conflicts of interest.
	Now, I understand people have raised any accusations and all that.
	And I'm telling you, I can't openly talk about any of that stuff.
	We're in litigation. That's a pretty standard answer.
	It's not unique to me. All right.
	That's just what happens in any litigation.
	But also, if it's a publicly traded company, I'm not going to go there and pull a Martha Stewart.
	No way. But all the same, if I'm a consultant helping people in government affairs and I'm a county chairman, you know, people could accuse for that, too.
	Well, what's he doing wrong?
	You know, and I can't control how people view the world.
	They can look at it fear-based.
	They can look at it discriminating.
	All I can do is control what I'm going to do.
	That's between me and God and whether or not I keep my values.
	And that's what's really important to me.
	Why? I want to set a good example for my son and my son and my daughter.
	That's important to me.
	I'd love to get your opinion on something.
	So, you know, because we did that Blood Money episode with Nephi, we received some phone calls about how, you know, just airing those things, those accusations was destructive to the party.
	We shouldn't have done it.
	I'd love to get your comment on that.
	I don't want to tell you what you should and shouldn't do.
	In fact, this is where Nephi and I agree.
	Yeah, I am a libertarian.
	He just got it wrong. I'm a small L libertarian.
	That's philosophy. Anybody that talks to me at length, and this is where he pretends he knows me.
	If he knew me, he'd know I was philosophical.
	I'm a small L libertarian.
	I'm a live and let live guy. Them, you're going to do what you need to do.
	My opinion on the matter is that even me dignifying things that are ridiculous When he raises any of this stuff, which, by the way, the accusations are so big.
	Boy, he better be right.
	Ooh, he better be right.
	All right? Because that, if he's not right, now he's in trouble.
	But imagine you're just a little old lady at home who just wants Trump to win or just wants DeSantis to win or just wants to take our state assembly or something like this.
	And then they see all this stuff flying around, this drama.
	Guess what they'll never do in a million years?
	They'll never donate. They'll never come back to a meeting.
	How can that not be considered very serious on the part of anybody who says they want to lead an organization and I'm addressing each of the other competitors.
	Any kind of an adherence to try to air that kind of dirty laundry is going to undermine anybody that wants to participate with you.
	And you need all these people.
	That's why I'm not going to talk about any of these folks in any kind of way.
	It makes the trauma worse.
	You know what I'm going to talk about instead?
	I'm going to talk about what we're doing next year.
	Now, you and I, you know, we talked about this and you were very clear with me and I appreciate it.
	You were like, hey, man.
	Serious accusations, want to get your take on it.
	And I said, hey man, I'm an open book.
	I really am. And so that's what we did here.
	But in general, you know, if I'm going to go in front of a group of people, you know what I'm going to focus on?
	How we beat the freaking Democrats.
	That's why we're all here.
	I don't want a socialist Democrat agenda.
	I don't want it. I'm thinking about my son, who's a special needs kid and all of his needs for any kind of a therapy.
	You know, the woke Democrats in there, they're gonna be, well, we'll give you the therapy if we also teach him a little bit about sexuality.
	My kid is on the spectrum.
	He's gonna what? Hyper-focus on sexuality now at age 11?
	No. And I don't want anything like that for any other families who face those kinds of things.
	I'm fighting stupid, terrible agendas from these folks.
	And I'm trying to replace it with common sense principles from the Republican side.
	And that's our job.
	And if anybody wants to vote for a guy like me, what they're going to get is a guy focused on what it is we can do to win, not focused on how to alienate each other.
	I want everybody to join us as long as everybody's focused on that goal.
	Yeah, and you know, people need to see what's at stake right now.
	Look, we're going through this, you know, till July 18, seems like it's going to be pretty rough with these accusations and probably going to get a lot.
	It's going to probably get worse, you know, before it gets better.
	Sure, but it doesn't mean it's real.
	But one thing that's very important, and I want the viewers to know this, because I know everybody that watched the Nephi episode is going to watch this episode, right?
	And those serious accusations thrown at the Nephi episode.
	We got to see receipts. We got to see what's going on there.
	Whatever. You know, just whatever.
	Give them the opportunity. I know, but that's a tagline.
	Come on. See receipts for what?
	This is the same guy talking about some fundraiser in Don King.
	Pardon me. Mm-hmm.
	Do you think that's a complete BS story that there was a million dollars funneled into the Republican Party by Michael McDonald?
	Is that completely untrue?
	You said funneled into the Republican Party?
	Funneled or given to the Libertarian Party for some kind of an event.
	Zero facts based.
	Don King is nowhere near donating to politicians, certainly at least in Michael's realm.
	You know, I can't speak for Michael, but I can speak for how ridiculous that is.
	Zero truth in that. I don't even know where he's coming from with it.
	And then to say that it was my idea because I'm a small L libertarian.
	You know what? Cool story.
	Nice long game.
	All right? I'm busting my butt to make sure we win and even spending 50-some hours a week still while we're trying to organize now, all right?
	Spending all this time trying to organize.
	But what I'm going to do, see, because I'm crafty, is waste money on the Libertarian Party who have never won a race in our state in Nevada.
	Get out of town. I mean, these allegations that, you know, undercover Democrat Libertarians that are here to kind of blow up the Republican Party.
	You forgot Space Alien at this point.
	Come on. You know, my blood is actually green and my family's from Mars.
	Does that help? I know that I'm not trying to even be dismissive, but it is that outlandish.
	It is. No way!
	One of the things I want to emphasize, though, really, is that, like, part of unity going forward, because the stakes are really the free world.
	Now, whoever wins, whatever happens July 18, I mean, there has to be unity, because if there's disunity, it's like literally 2024 is, I mean, We all know that's the end.
	If that goes wrong, it's like you ain't going to be able to fix it.
	We're going to turn to Brazil. We're going to turn to Argentina.
	So, you know, it is imperative that whatever happens, there is party unity.
	And we're all about that, you know, but we're also all about like absolutists when it comes to freedom of press.
	This is not stuff that, you know, obviously I'm part of the party.
	I've been in the party. This is not stuff that was happening within the party.
	This was stuff that happened outside of the party because, you know, I understand that there's a certain etiquette with that.
	But when it started to get outside of the party and people started to get vocal about it, that's when, you know, we got involved with Blood Money.
	But again, you know, I emphasize party unity is absolutely important, absolutely essential because, you know, really it's like the free world that is at stake right now.
	Jesse, I mean, what is, how are we going to fit, like, do you have a plan going forward into 2024 that you would like to outline of how all these issues we've discussed, you know, 2022, we, okay, we say we've had minor successes.
	I get it, you know, Governor Lombardo.
	That's a major success, sir.
	That's a major success, but, you know, there was also...
	I'm not denying your point at all.
	Yeah, you get my point.
	How are we going to fix that? Tell me.
	You're the sergeant. You're the patent right now.
	What are you going to do differently, including with the state party's involvement, including with the support of Michael McDonald, that's going to fix a lot of the issues of 2022?
	Best thing you can do is make sure that we are empowering our membership, okay?
	That builds the infrastructure for us.
	This is critical. I made a comment about if it's a party of one.
	I'm telling you right now, it's a miserable place to be.
	How do I know? Well, 2022, day in, day out, you're being asked, are you really the chairman?
	And that's for the first year of your chairmanship.
	And getting programs undermined from volunteers.
	They know who they are. It slows us down.
	And then people come to you with really great ideas, and then you're miserable not being able to implement it the way that you know it deserves to be implemented.
	That all happened. And I'll be damned if I let that happen again, A. But, you know, we had all of this unity within our party once that big vicious thing happened.
	I had to deal with the drama outside, and I never took that home with me, right?
	I never let the members know about that.
	I thought that they needed a strong leader.
	That's the position I took.
	Privately was really tough.
	But our meetings were great.
	We had momentum building for how productive they would be, but we were united.
	When the disunity began, it was in January of this year.
	We had a terrible speech in November of last year from one of the guest speakers.
	Michelle Fiore really lit a fire and caused a lot of people to be very angry and me to be angry as well.
	January comes in and folks are like, listen, I'm hot about what we didn't do right for 22.
	And they let me know it from the podium.
	And for a minute there, I was like, oh, this is perfect.
	This is a dating scenario.
	Let's pretend that we're dating, me and the body of membership.
	And the body's like, you know, we don't know that we want you to be there.
	That was the first time I was really heckled that way.
	And it made me question, okay, well then why would I be here?
	It was a valuable question because then it challenged me to ask real questions.
	What does our membership need?
	And I had the feedback of some really strong people.
	Luis Diaz, great guy.
	He said, you know, in the military, they call it a hot wash.
	Why don't you invite all of the members?
	Come on down and air it.
	And since that time, I had coffee meetings every week or every other week and a lot of availability to our members to give me that feedback.
	But when we had these meetings of all of our members coming in, They told me what the problems were for the organization that they experienced as volunteers or candidates, or even just people on the couch saying, we've got to do something different.
	And with that, we created all these committees.
	We created all these committees that then defined themselves and have been building week after week after week, expanding.
	SI, the dedication out of Heather Florian, who's up for election, nice woman, political director, She's been registering with her team.
	She's over, you know, she's like 100, 150 registrants flipping Democrat to Republican because they go and do these events.
	They're already doing it.
	You know, the criticism of me saying that nothing's happened.
	None of those people have come to our office within any meaningful way.
	Some one person has attended a few times, but if they saw any of the organizing or any of the action, they wouldn't be able to say it.
	So here's the invitation. Come on down to the office and actually challenge those volunteers and tell them that they're not doing a fantastic job.
	They are. How do we fix it for next year?
	What's the plan? Precinct committee making sure that we're trained.
	Our volunteers are given very specific goals, trained on how to get there.
	I've got people on the board with such credentials.
	One of the gentlemen ran a grassroots operation as a COO of the firm back in the 2000s.
	Very, very good from door to door.
	Another gentleman was the head of the Republican National Committee's data director.
	His reports would go on President Trump's desk.
	He knows all about this stuff with working with volunteers and seeing what works and what doesn't work.
	We're going to be able to craft it so our volunteers are actually having a meaningful experience.
	Also, what we're doing differently from 22 is we're inviting all of our clubs to coordinate with us.
	We weren't close enough.
	I valued them. I did support them.
	We sent volunteers that way.
	We need to do more so that they're coordinated.
	And that's totally fine because I have relationships in all of those women's clubs and the different conservative clubs.
	So that's an easy one for me to say.
	Also, what's missing is how do we build any kind of a candidate relationship or even recruit our own candidate development committee?
	And I already mentioned some of that.
	All of that infrastructure then is what I'm talking about.
	First thing and the most important thing is that we throw away our differences as irrelevant as they are and focus on what we have in common, which is defeating Democrats, which is getting rid of bad government.
	That's why I'm here.
	I don't want to do another year where we're at each other's throats.
	I won't do it anymore.
	I refuse to do that, okay?
	I'm not going to do it in this race.
	Because my thing is, if you want a united party and people aren't stepping up to the plate, well, they need a leader to.
	Therefore, I am. Therefore, every single day I'm waking up and I'm doing the things, you know, heaven help me, I'm a human person, that are uniting.
	My words, my actions, my deeds, bringing people together.
	All are welcome. Just focus on the Democrats.
	That's pretty much the main point.
	And then the fundraising is good.
	I believe next year we can raise about $360,000 with all the opportunities for events, convention, on and on and on.
	And that's what I'm looking forward to.
	Are there people out there right now knocking on doors and essentially talking about the policies, the sexualization of children, outreach to different communities?
	Honestly, I look at the Mexican community and they are traditional Catholics.
	They seem like perfect fits into the Republican Party.
	Is that happening right now?
	So, yes and no.
	Yes, because I've got these people and they're actually, it's the precinct committee.
	I just got a text saying no one's going to be opening the door in 10 minutes.
	So in like five minutes, we might have to either take a break that's very brief.
	And then we finish up because I got to run to the office, make sure it's open for them.
	But these people in the precinct committee are so excitable that they're out there without any fricking guidance.
	They don't have any handouts. No, I'm just knocking doors to meet my neighbors.
	And that to me is very funny.
	Because they're on fire for what must be done.
	But I've used that as the opportunity.
	Listen, if y'all are putting in the sweat equity, let's see what works.
	I'm having one of our volunteers who I've been texting with, four out of five people he meets because he's just talking to the Republicans right now looking for volunteers.
	Four out of five people are saying, yeah, I volunteer.
	I don't want to do what you do, but I want to do.
	And that's an opportunity for us to, like, adopt a nursing home.
	We're getting a bank of volunteers.
	They don't want to knock doors, but maybe they could, you know, once a month go and visit some folks at a community center, you know, talk to them, let them know that there's a community of people that care about them, instead of just waiting to the last minute when it is far too late.
	That's a part that it's like, it really strikes me, is I think...
	This should be like an ongoing, non-stop thing.
	It seems like every time campaign season comes, it's like, hey, you know, minorities support us.
	Whereas, literally, I think there should be people knocking on doors.
	I know too many good people that were part of these different campaign groups that were doing it pretty much on their own time and dime.
	That kind of like the campaign stopped and then it all stopped.
	And in a perfect organization...
	In a perfect organization, an organization that's actually fighting to win, you'd think that that wouldn't stop.
	There'd be constantly 20 people every single day, volunteers or whatever, knocking on doors, converting voters, explaining to people what's going on.
	And I'll give you an example. We had three of our, you know, team members at the Women's for Liberty Conference, right?
	And one of our team members, actually Lydia Dominguez, was going up to people and asking questions about, you know, they're protesting on the other side, they're all about the trans agenda, and she's asking these people questions, and you could tell that, you know, all these people need is a little information to come on to our side.
	There's so many people that are bees that could come to the honey if we just do the work.
	And so my question is, why isn't that work happening?
	Using another libertarian phrase coming out around, Paul, in the competition of ideas, we got them.
	We absolutely got them. What's missing is the communication.
	Now, you ask a very specific question.
	What is this hard stop after an election even about?
	And are we really all that not self-aware that we cannot even notice how awkward that is?
	Do we not feel shame about that?
	And by the way, Jesse, my biggest thing, if you watch the interview with Nephi, my biggest kind of The breaking point was, okay, like, are we, honestly, are we incompetent?
	Is it on purpose?
	Is it because there's not enough resources?
	Which one of these is it?
	Because the logic, there is no logic in it, because the Democrats are there 24-7 doing this sort of thing.
	I mean, they're always trying to convert people.
	It depends on how you're looking at it, then.
	If you're looking at it through the lens of what should happen, it's not going to appear logical, all right?
	And I totally agree with you, and it adds a ton of frustration.
	And maybe out of that frustration, we can get priority.
	Then find a solution, right?
	So frustration and problems also breed really good things, okay?
	But the What I know we must do when it comes to...
	Man, I'm losing my train of thought.
	Well, you know, this idea of not stopping, the knocking on...
	Oh, yeah, I apologize.
	Not waiting for campaign season and then wishing...
	You know, there's so many people that we could get.
	I mean, I literally think 80% of the state is ours if people were given the right information.
	So it's an information warfare.
	That's why we have America. I can pick it up from there.
	I apologize for losing my train of thought.
	What I would say is...
	What should happen is different than what the resource allocation actually looks like.
	Resource allocation due to priority, by the way.
	If we're spending millions of dollars on TV ads and then the profit of that turns into millions of dollars, but see, on the other side of the aisle, they're going to use that same amount of money to hire all of the workers through the culinary union for even one week of ballot harvesting.
	All of a sudden, it's rather awkward.
	That is a very serious problem.
	The competition for donations exists on the right, where on the left, they are absolutely solving a problem.
	And what I boiled down to is the nexus of the problem.
	On the left, they're solving a certain problem, which is takeover of our society.
	And on the right, we're solving a certain problem, which is, at least for the consultants who do this for a living, in my opinion, They're doing this to grow their business.
	That's the problem that they're solving.
	Those are two different things.
	Grow business, more donations, more spending, quality of life.
	Over here, they're like, we're going to spend this money this way.
	And when they spend the money that way, that's where the nonprofits come in.
	See, those nonprofits feed communities.
	If it's an immigrant community, they're in trouble in general.
	They're trying to get by.
	And then suddenly there's a nonprofit that literally feeds them.
	They're more predisposed to listen.
	That's a greater relationship.
	So to your point, it is actually a lack of resources, but it is also a lack of priority.
	I think those that guide us must Focus on that as a priority.
	Me, I'm over here treading water, and this is true.
	That doesn't mean that you're not right or that we couldn't move forward in this way.
	We can do that when our party has working committees.
	But as it has been, if we're treading water trying to get to a place where we're all busting off with a precinct committee, then we're addressing problems.
	Good news. I have men and women who are dedicated every week.
	Therefore, we're focused on the different coalitions that have to exist.
	You asked about the Latino and Hispanic community?
	Absolutely. Let's focus on the east side of Las Vegas.
	Those are families that care about how their children are educated and whether or not their neighborhoods are safe.
	Boom. There's only one party for that.
	And that is, do we have Spanish-speaking volunteers?
	Do we have a Spanish-speaking program?
	That's what they want to hear. They just want people to come to their side on things.
	That's it. Now, I have a request.
	Is it possible that I can pick this up in like 10 minutes when I get to the office?
	You know, could I ask you one more question before you take off?
	Yeah. Just in case I don't get you back, but I would love to get you back and continue this.
	Is Trump coming here to endorse you on Saturday?
	Is he coming here to endorse me?
	Well, I will comment that he did endorse me when I sat in front of him in Mar-a-Lago having dinner.
	He said, I endorse you.
	Okay. To be clear.
	He's not coming here for the express purpose of anything with the party.
	He's coming here for the express purpose of whatever his purpose is.
	That's why he's coming here.
	Are there fringe benefits to being close to him and having his support?
	Well, I guess we'll have to see on Saturday.
	Okay. You don't know if he's going to make an announcement or anything like that.
	I have opinions on what I think, but I'm unwilling to share them.
	Okay. Okay. All right.
	So 10 minutes, we're going to continue this?
	10 minutes. I'm just going over to the office.
	Awesome. So, all right.
	I'll see you in 10 minutes, Jesse.
	All right. So we're back to Blood Money.
	Jesse's in a different location, continuing our episode.
	He had to, you know, busy man.
	He had to go. Oh, I was in trouble.
	They started the dang meeting, and they're on the parking lot on Zoom and all that stuff, and like, what are you doing late, you know?
	There's 20 people on this Zoom call, another five in the office waiting on more to show up.
	Wow, wow. All right, so just kind of diving back into where we left off at.
	So you're saying that you're not sure if Donald Trump's coming.
	I mean, that's not the message that you've been sent, that there's an endorsement coming.
	No, no. But I mean, I have my opinions on it.
	Apologies, I'm on courts.
	I have my opinions on it.
	I'm not going to share my opinions.
	Okay. Now, okay. Saturday comes up with.
	Yeah. Now, Nephi, you know, one of the crazy things, you know, that we heard from that interview was that he has a letter.
	I haven't seen the letter, but he's saying he has a letter that says that Donald Trump's never endorsed you.
	How do you respond to that? Somebody sent me something that was like an HR contact.
	I didn't look close.
	That's my fault. They could have said something like, from the Trump Organization.
	Well, there is no Trump Organization.
	It's Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.
	First of all. I didn't see that on there.
	Somebody said it was like a ProPublica.
	I don't know. I don't know.
	It doesn't matter.
	I mean, it comes up like, was I endorsed two years ago when I ran?
	Yes. Am I endorsed now?
	Yes. Well, how do I know?
	Well, because 13 of my friends from Nevada were with me while we were in Mar-a-Lago.
	That's what happened. And he endorsed Patrick Casale for vice chair.
	He endorsed Heather Florian for political director, Sally Minster for secretary, and Theresa Hancocks for treasurer.
	That's what happened. And you know what he wants from Nevada?
	What he wants out of this?
	He wants to see us win in November of 2024.
	It is unfinished business.
	And to have that kind of relationship and a connection.
	There's some reality that happened that took place that night.
	First of all, I had a friend of mine say to him, hey, and it's one of his publishers.
	I also gave a staff to Don Jr.
	But he leaned over to the president, as much as my surprise says, that's my friend.
	Well, I don't think that particular friend of mine has many people that he calls a friend, you know, because it's high places.
	You know, you're always alone in high places.
	But the president looked at me for the first time at that time, more than just that staffer from Nevada, you know.
	So we'll see. I mean, I'm excited for Saturday and I think everyone else should be too.
	I mean, is there is there a way for you to get something in writing on video?
	You think that I mean, just counters these allegations that Nephi says he has a letter that says, no, we've never endorsed, you know, Jesse Law.
	You know, I can't I can't figure out the ghost story claims that have nothing behind them.
	I've got receipts proving this doesn't come out.
	I've got a letter stating this.
	I was sitting right there. Also, big question mark for everybody.
	Trump campaign sends out people for the May meeting.
	They do an armchair discussion.
	They do turnout for that meeting.
	Come to this meeting. It's important to join the organization and stay a member.
	They don't do that everywhere.
	So they're putting in real resources of time.
	The gentlemen that came out are extremely busy people, living a meaningful life and trying to, you know, conquer the political race.
	And they're going to come out here for no reason?
	No, that was an investment of time and energy from the campaign.
	Why? Because the boss had to do it.
	Did you have anything to do with his visit on Sunday or Saturday?
	No. You know, Donald J. Trump, you know, the man, the myth, the legend, he's going to do what he's going to do.
	I will say when we were in Mar-a-Lago, he made a commitment to come here and to come to Southern Nevada.
	He made that commitment to me.
	It sounds like, you know, he came through with it.
	But he's so busy. I knew he would come eventually.
	I never really thought, oh, before the election, right?
	Because he had all kinds of run-ins in the Southern District of New York or whatever.
	The man's busy. But as it turns out, he actually was able to.
	That's not about me at all.
	I don't even want to misconstrue it.
	It isn't. And yet, I know the guy's committed to Clark County, Washoe County, all the other 15 counties.
	He's committed to Nevada.
	He calls it unfinished business.
	How do I know I was there in 16 with that campaign, there in 20 with that campaign?
	I know how the man feels about this state and about the supporters.
	Our party is 80% for Trump.
	You know how I know that?
	Ask him. And we have.
	You know, that video clip actually always makes me smile.
	This is a pro-Trump organization.
	And also, we support guys like Democrat.
	I'm sorry. Well, that one's a really good Freudian slip.
	Not on purpose. We support guys like DeSantis.
	We do. I mean, we support all the people on the list, you know.
	Why? Because they're trying to be the Democrat socialists.
	So. Now, let me ask you this.
	In terms of another thing that Nephi claims is that you were actually fired by the Trump administration.
	How do you respond to that?
	I definitely was not fired from the Trump administration, but I heard it was the campaign.
	I heard the campaign was what fired me.
	Okay. Now, what happened in the Trump administration was rough and tumble.
	And in fact, it was instrumental to me growing up.
	It's how I consider myself, you know, hitting a rock bottom to learn out who I really am and what I'm made of as a human being and as a man.
	Yeah, that was tough, let me tell you.
	And if I'm such a small L or big L libertarian, I was the senior Trump official at the Export-Import Bank of the United States.
	All libertarians and conservatives hate this particular place.
	Me, I loved it because my boss needed it.
	It was a way to go against China.
	They use funny money.
	We support exports in the United States with this banking system.
	I had to keep it. I knew the boss wanted it, in spite of what everyone else in the administration was against it.
	But what happened was, when I had that as my task, to save this organization, everyone between me and the Oval Office was against it.
	And I got to actually tell the president this in Mar-a-Lago.
	I never thought that I could ever have audience even for five minutes to let him know anything.
	He knew all about X and Bacon.
	He asked me, were you for it or against it?
	You know why? Most of the people he talked to were against it.
	And he wondered what I was. I said I was for it, but that's because I knew my boss was for it.
	And what I did in that environment was I went from agency to agency.
	This was a high honor to go with cabinet level officials into their offices, very historic places, Treasury, Commerce, SBA, Department of Transportation, Maritime Administration within the DOT. Finally, I rested at the National Security Council and the Strategic Office there within the NSC took on the issue of supporting exports as a strategic initiative for the 2017 National Security Strategy.
	It was a pillar of the export strategy, Export-Import Bank.
	And as a result of that, we actually, I'll save you some of the gory details.
	We actually got the bank renewed.
	Anyone paying attention would know we didn't have a quorum of directors to vote on any of the transactions over $10 million.
	And it was stymieing American growth.
	It was sending GE jobs to other countries.
	It was actually a problem because they and GE needed financing for 5% of whatever their market was that go to places like Ethiopia Airlines or places in Africa, South America.
	You needed export finance.
	But I digress. In that environment, when I was successful, and literally, I promise you, this was the wet dream for all of the conservatives, meaning the vice president, staff, all of the Koch brother kind of people that are policy people, the people on the Hill.
	They were going to close this agency.
	And here's me, the senior Trump official.
	I have literally no support anywhere between me and the Oval.
	I had presidential personnel, which is so uncharacteristic, telling me maybe I should just do nothing and sit there.
	I swear. And what did I do?
	I knew my boss wanted it, so I went forward and I did it.
	And yeah, I took a lot of hits.
	I call it death by a thousand cuts.
	No, I wasn't fired.
	But I sure was forced into leaving, 100%.
	And when that happened, I thought I was the worst person in the world.
	And it really was just politics.
	I had to learn the reality of it.
	But the redemption came.
	A, had that never happened, I wouldn't be who I am.
	And that was a marvelous thing.
	I was there for two years.
	I was put in a nice cushy spot for the SBA Advocacy Division into Denver.
	So it's not like, you know, they really got rid of me.
	But when I got rehired by the Trump campaign for 2020 to run Election Day operations, you know, that was another confirmation.
	Oh yeah, it's not so bad.
	But literally, I had one of my main contacts there, a major general, say, hey, I want you to come back into the administration because they're prepping me for a cabinet-level position.
	Again, I'll spare you gory details that I'm honored by, but I went over to the White House personnel office.
	You know, from Vegas, I was visiting.
	And I said, what do you guys got?
	And don't make it middle management.
	I've seen the show, and I'm leaving a life in Nevada.
	If it's not a big deal, I don't really want it.
	No offense. And I think that that struck them as kind of odd, but they said, White House liaison, Department of Commerce.
	So, no, I wasn't fired from them.
	In fact, I was rehired by them.
	And I even got to tell the president, I'm like, yeah, the VP staff played real rough.
	A guy named Mark Short. Anyone that knows, Mark Short plays rough, likes to be the bad guy.
	He does. And he was.
	He played real rough with me.
	But in the end, I actually got that agency across the finish line for Donald J. Trump.
	I'm very proud of that. Well, now we got some questions coming from elsewhere that I would like to post to you regarding what's happened in the party.
	Now, this one question is regarding the leadership team that, you know, once you got elected.
	So there was a lot of departure apparently from the leadership team with the exception of Sally Minster.
	Do you have any comments regarding that?
	What? Former officers?
	Listen, Mike Steigman was a vice chair for a period of time.
	He didn't really like it. Ask him.
	He loves the party.
	He's here. He's a supporter.
	Ask him. Christine Decourt, she ran for office.
	I had a lady move to Utah who was a community relations director.
	Is that what they mean? That happened.
	She moved to Utah January of 22.
	And that was a tough situation, by the way, with her.
	But that's not a lot of people leaving.
	That's just what happens. You know, Mike didn't want to do it anymore.
	We did change over our board of directors, but we do that every time there's a county convention.
	So in 2022, we had a county convention.
	Guess what? New board of directors that are the commission district, A through G, are representative from each.
	Very standard. That's not a departure.
	That's not like some terrible thing that transpired.
	Got you. Now, a couple of more questions, and then I think we could wrap it up here.
	So these questions come up from, you know, individuals that watch the Blood Money podcast about the Ahern situation.
	What happened with the Ahern in terms of, I guess, that was no longer a venue for meetings for the Republican Party?
	Forgive me, I have a dry mouth.
	Happy to answer the question, but I'm going to say forgive me for the dry mouth, first of all.
	My water's at home. So, I love Don Ahern.
	I love Lloyd Benson.
	I remain very friendly to this day.
	Don and I have always kept a really great relationship.
	There was a bad interaction at the hotel with someone there when a story was put on that was slamming me as chairman at an event where we had just paid $12,000 or $15,000 to hold an event.
	And a story is written about me put on all the chairs by somebody who has a position at the hotel.
	It was really unfortunate.
	And frankly, it's like, I don't want any part of the problem.
	But if that situation is just one of the situations happening, not for me, but for other organizations, there was concern.
	I didn't want someone to think that they can just walk all over our party, right?
	It wasn't okay. And we just needed distance from what seemed to be happening.
	Yeah, I mean, in fact, at that very meeting, when I saw it on there, I was pretty angry.
	And one of the people who was passing out saw me be way angry.
	And I've apologized probably three or four times because I don't like being that guy.
	I can be that guy. I don't like to be that guy.
	And nevertheless, we chose not to come back for the next meeting.
	We really enjoyed our time at Stoney's and all that.
	And, you know, there was a rumor that I had been banned, and yet I was going to the Nevada Republican Club every month or every other month, whatever I would do.
	It was just a lot of rumors.
	I didn't want our membership to have a problem, but I'll tell you what.
	We liked our time at Stoney's.
	We were really grateful to come back.
	We have an intention of having our Lincoln Day, by the way, next year, February the 24th at the Ahern.
	So we want to show our gratitude for good people like their president, Shane.
	He's a fantastic cat.
	He runs a tight ship.
	I think they're doing really well.
	Their presence on social media is awesome.
	I still want to go to one of their nightclub nights where you can sing karaoke.
	I don't know if you knew this, but I really like singing.
	So I want to go there sometime.
	We're talking about Stoney's in particular.
	No, I'm talking about Ahern.
	Oh, Ahern. Yeah, I'm glad I'm back at Ahern with these guys.
	And they're doing like a karaoke night or something like this.
	Sometime I'm going to have time to go.
	And, you know, I'm happy to be back there.
	I really like that Don Ahern has always done so much for the party.
	Like I said, I have such a good friendship with Lloyd Benson.
	That's about it. And Stoney's came up.
	Now, what happened with Stoney's in terms of the CCRP no longer meeting there?
	I'll tell you what, when Michelle Fiore really dropped all of that language, That was a real black eye.
	First of all, we had something in September where people caused a lawsuit where Republicans were siding with Democrats toward the general election.
	People got to the microphone and said they didn't like that.
	That's a lawsuit. Sony doesn't like that there's a lawsuit.
	Okay, mark one. Mark two.
	In November, we have our former National Committee woman saying some atrocious stuff.
	Very embarrassing.
	Alienated some very good people in our party.
	That was something that they hated.
	That's not the headline that they wanted.
	They don't want any part of any nastiness.
	And you know who wears that? Our members?
	I do. You know, I was criticized like, well, where were you, Jess?
	Well, I happened to be in the can.
	I'm sorry. I was like, oh, good.
	I have two of our leaders giving a speech.
	Michael goes to give a speech.
	I'm going to the restroom. I come out.
	Michelle starts giving a speech.
	I have one of our board members actually talking to me.
	Then I hear some stuff and I look.
	I'm in shock. I take a few steps forward.
	I start going forward and then, you know, she's done.
	It was that quick. And I wish I was on the stage.
	I wish I could have given her the hook.
	But I even had a venue say they didn't want us because of that speech as a replacement venue.
	It was terrible. So then we get to January.
	Now this one, there are some people I could blame that I'm not going to call out, but I'm not happy with it.
	We had people who were threatening staff, people who were leaving negative reviews about Stoney's.
	There was an issue with filming because of what had happened in September, November.
	It is my mistake as chairman.
	I should have acted more quickly.
	I understood Stoney's didn't want any of this negativity.
	I had understood that they didn't want any of the filming if they can help it, okay?
	And that actually gave me relief.
	I made a mistake. I thought, okay, this is a hard, complicated issue.
	If the venue doesn't want it, great.
	But did you know the venue didn't want any part of the problem?
	So signs are being put up by Patrick Casale, our vice chairman.
	He had indicated to me that the venue didn't want it.
	When that started to be questioned, what I should have done differently, Was I should have acted quickly.
	I saw everyone lining up.
	There was some animosity going on, that kind of thing.
	And I was dealing with that and I should have focused on what was right in front of me.
	That's one thing that I really wanted to learn from.
	Nevertheless, because of that acrimony in the crowd and then people leaving negative reviews, Stoney's looking at this like, We don't like this negativity.
	And they flat out said it.
	They said that it was the negative reviews.
	They said that there was some crazy person that had done some things that they didn't like, and they didn't want any part of it.
	How embarrassing. I did send...
	Sue and Chris Loud and some notes about how grateful I was for even being there.
	I still think the world of them.
	And I think our members, you know, are good people.
	I think that that can be resurrected.
	But magically, we go to hold the next meeting and then those venues started to be undermined.
	That's what was crazy.
	We go to the next venue, which was like a racquet club.
	Somebody called them and sabotaged it.
	Unbelievable, right?
	I'd never experienced anything like this.
	You better believe I was white knuckling it.
	I felt a lot of stress over the matter.
	And, you know, Fervent stepped up.
	In fact, Pastor Morales goes, you know, I get people who call and threaten.
	That doesn't bother me. He goes, are you guys people?
	I said, we're Republicans. He goes, yeah, that's right, you are.
	And you know what? Our members have had a great time at the Fervent Church.
	That's what Trump's meaning, by the way.
	We've got a great relationship there.
	I mean, we've talked a lot about pastors.
	I mean, Morales is definitely like a unique one.
	There's so many that have been silent and, you know, credit to him.
	Let me ask you, would you be willing to debate your opponents on America Happens?
	You know, I'm open to it.
	The thing that would be tough in an environment like this is the talking over.
	It'd be tough in the environment like this because, you know, when we're at the Ahern, everybody's eyes are right there and it's real.
	All right. And we'll have a moderator who says, hey, that's not allowed.
	And then they've got a set of rules that says, you know, you can't do personal stuff.
	You can't be a spectacle.
	You know what? It's not even whether or not I can take it.
	I decided I can take it.
	You know what can't take any damage is the reputation of our party.
	My priority to preserve the reputation and build the reputation of the party is a very significant one for me.
	So my question then is how do you commit to any of the candidates that any of the candidates cannot step over them and really embarrass or be completely inappropriate with this shock jock attitude where they're willing to throw very irresponsible and very serious accusations that can get them in trouble with the law if they're false and they are.
	Here's where I see the mode, how we would approach that, right?
	If we did it live like this, we have controls where we could take people's volumes down and essentially shut down the camera, just to give people the same amount of time.
	I mean, if we decide it's two minutes, everybody gets to talk two minutes, and it's two minutes.
	You know what I mean? Everybody gets their turn.
	But the thing that I see most...
	Attractive about something like that is, you know, right now you have three opponents.
	Obviously, everybody's going to say everything, but there's one particular opponent that's talking about a lot of things that definitely we need to see receipts.
	It's like until we see receipts, these are just, you know, you could say anything about anybody.
	You know what I mean? You need to see receipts.
	So, I mean, I think it gives people an opportunity to, you know, vet out certain claims that have been made.
	I think it gives people the opportunity to see all four candidates side by side and really compare and contrast them.
	Well, I mean, my reaction to it is what you're stating does make good sense, in theory.
	But the quote, see receipts is such a nebulous one.
	For what? What for?
	What receipts? Well, for that Don King thing you did.
	Well, I didn't do a Don King thing.
	Yeah. There are no receipts.
	It'd be like saying, you know, hey, Van, I know you murdered somebody.
	How are you going to prove that?
	You did murder somebody.
	And then you can't prove a negative, right?
	So I don't know how to respond to someone saying an outlandish claim that doesn't have any basis, in fact, that is also generalized, show me the receipts.
	Not only that, you know, it's far more responsible to the members, to the members of the party.
	It's not to throw out something irresponsible, but to just simply ask questions.
	And then if they still have those questions, they can say, this is a specific question on a specific matter.
	Can you clear that up because the documents don't show it?
	Otherwise, it's like, well, I know you lied.
	Prove to me you didn't. Which line item?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which one is the honest one?
	So it is tough.
	I'm telling you, I'm open-minded to it.
	I'm an open book.
	Our intention is we're going to air all of these episodes and meeting all four candidates before the weekend is done and then sometime next week we'll invite everybody to debate remote like this from the comfort of their home and really we'll come up with a Way of doing it, whether it's two-minute, you know, talking opportunities and, you know, the good news is we got control of the volume.
	You can turn off the camera if somebody gets out of hand and everybody knows that there's certain discipline and rules to play by.
	So, Jesse, in closing, is there, what's your message to the party?
	You know, the mic is yours, you know, whatever you have to say, the mic is yours.
	Yeah, I want everyone to know that I'm one speed, meaning you can predict what this guy is going to do.
	I want to be a man who lives true.
	That's very important to me.
	Therefore, when I say that my utmost goal for victory in this is keeping my integrity, dignity, and goodness intact, otherwise without which there is no victory, know that that carries forward beyond this election.
	I may be a nice person, I guess.
	But I'm not a nice person without any kind of a deliberate approach.
	I am trying to be good to our fellow members in this party to let them know that we want all of our Republicans present.
	What has plagued our party cannot, will not plague it anymore under Jesse Law.
	Cannot. You know why?
	We're giving up our time and our treasure, and we don't get that back when we're volunteering, all right?
	Going forward, I don't want to have to look back at times that I didn't get to spend with my youngest son.
	He loves his dad, and his dad loves him, and we like our time together, so what we're doing better matter.
	And the legacy that we have to have building over the next two years is that instead of standing face to face at each other, we're standing shoulder to shoulder, looking in one direction, working to defeat the Democrats that have destroyed our country.
	We need to make America great again.
	We need to make Nevada great again.
	I was a little boy here riding through the desert mounds, picking up old, you know, glass bottles or whatever.
	I got to be a little boy exploring in the dirt.
	And my kids lost that opportunity without proper parental supervision.
	We need to restore all of the things that are common sense within the Republican Party.
	We can only do that together.
	And if you want to know who knows, because I've been there, I've been there for the last two years.
	We built a solid foundation.
	We had some results.
	We had the only successful governor flip and lieutenant governor flip and controller.
	That is something really great to build upon.
	We learned our lessons.
	I know that just like what Vem said earlier when he was talking about whether or not somebody should be paid because they need to dedicate enough time.
	Boy, we need to dedicate more time in my chairmanship to really implement what's going to make this organization great.
	And if you want to see any of my materials, know that I'm reaching out to you as much as I possibly can so that you can get to know me personally.
	I do have things like meet and greets.
	I'm available to you to answer your questions.
	But our priority is simple.
	We're going to turn the Clark County Republican Party and its membership into the strongest grassroots organization that has been seen in decades.
	And we can do that because the passion already exists.
	So let's just organize, get together, go one direction, and let's do it together for 2024.
	Chairman Jesse Law does that with you.
	And I'm not going to violate my promises to you.
	Thank you, Jesse. Thank you.
	And, you know, just to emphasize there, you know, we're doing these blood money podcasts and we've been accused of all sorts of things like, you know, destroying the party by putting Nephi's episode out there.
	And I just want the viewer to know, right?
	The other side is cutting the penises off of children, okay?
	So they're destroying themselves.
	As far as our side goes, I think we have to be absolutists when it comes to freedom of press, right?
	The fact that we're doing this is not to destroy the party or anything.
	It's to have four candidates have their say.
	And frankly, once this is done on July 18, it's imperative that whoever is the winner is supported by the party, because really we're looking at, and you have 123 Blood Money episodes that you could go through to realize how bad it's gotten, to realize, like, literally the end is near, the free world is at stake.
	And so whoever the winner is, whoever the victor is, the party has to get behind, put all this nonsense behind us.
	And really make sure that we get a win in 2024.
	And frankly, Jesse, much love to you.
	The party has to try harder.
	We can't have a repeat of 2022.
	And if there's anything you could say to that effect, could you promise us that 2024 is going to be a Herculean effort compared to what happened in 2022?
	I feel like if I used rhetoric, it would be shallow.
	I know this.
	You know this. What I can say is what is happening now.
	I listened to our membership.
	They were a mirror of how I felt too.
	But the difference was they were showing up saying, we need to do this together.
	Problem's too big. We need to do more.
	If the consultants or the candidates or whatever aren't enough, at least we can show up and do something about this.
	What can we do?
	That dialogue created all of the motion that's currently happening.
	Herculean effort that we can implement.
	Why? Because there's already dedication.
	There's already people who are learning this job quickly, becoming the experts to then pass on that knowledge.
	This isn't rhetoric.
	We're doing it.
	I'm very excited about that.
	Could you imagine, Vem, if you asked me that question and I wasn't doing this, what would I say?
	What would I be proud of?
	I may have the burden of knowledge, but without actually implementing a solution real time because we saw the problem and needed to solve it.
	I don't know that I could honestly look at this camera and say that I'm proud of what we're doing.
	I'm very proud of what we're doing.
	I'm proud. I like to point out the wins in 22 because those are wins for our volunteers.
	We had 275,000 doors hit by people that are in the party, not just other volunteers, but our members of the party who got trained up by the leadership from the RNC and everything that we're training our volunteers.
	We had 275,000 doors.
	We're proud of that, but we need to do better.
	How do we do better? Good news.
	Cavalry's here. We're training, we're organizing, and the only thing missing It's you.
	Each of you. And under my leadership, what I can promise you is I'm not going to be going around doing any of the drama.
	That doesn't make anybody want to show up anymore.
	They're going to say, you know what? Take your problems.
	Work them out yourselves. Hopefully you do.
	Let me know if you do. Otherwise, I'm not there.
	We're not doing that under Jesse Law as chairman.
	So when you come in and you do all your dedication with wonderful men and women here in this office and around the county, Know that we're all together.
	Know that we're all prioritizing beating the Democrats instead of beating each other.
	I'm living that every single day, every action, word, and deed.
	And I'm doing that because I demand better for us.
	And that starts with me. And honestly, 275,000 is good, but frankly, just knowing marketing and stuff, we've got to be hitting, how many registered voters are there?
	We've got to be hitting that number, whether it's half a million or a million, times eight.
	You need eight touches to convince somebody to buy into your product.
	I think that the total was like 850,000 or some such thing that we hit.
	I was just saying, of those who were members of the party that were training, we were contributive with our membership, and that's what I meant by that.
	323 members, I think.
	I understand. I just think the bar, you know, frankly, just has to be higher with what this is.
	You know what I mean? If it's knocking on doors, it's just, I wonder, could we raise enough money to get more knocking on doors to hit every single door 70 times?
	Because I think that's what it's going to take, because you're going up against a mainstream media apparatus that is brainwashing people every day.
	Unless you're that aggressive, honestly, it's like, yes, we stand a chance, but how much of a chance?
	Let me develop what you're saying there.
	I want to develop what you're saying, because you're correct.
	You're touching on it. And you know what you're telling me?
	You're like, Jesse, I get that it's urgent to you.
	This is really urgent to me.
	And I agree. Well, listen, when the party has a bunch of motion, And we're organizing.
	We're doing all this stuff. We have our sustaining donors from our membership.
	We have some major donors, both in-kind and otherwise.
	We have major events.
	I'm thinking $360,000 we do next year in fundraising.
	And that's gross. But you know, gross revenue.
	But that we can keep with the best negotiating that we can do to keep that money.
	When we're in motion, people are more likely to forgive those receipts because they see where it's going.
	With that said. The donors want to come to the table for initiatives that are great and they want to do that with great organizations.
	The more active we are, I can look at donors like I've been meeting with who say, what can we do that's special?
	I can give them the initiative and then they're in.
	And now we're spending money in ways that you're proud of.
	We can't do that on the word of a one-man show.
	We do that with the Clark County Republican Party focused on the Democrats.
	No more of those headlines because we don't have people running for leadership position willing to insult each other.
	Instead, we're focused on what the real enemy is, the reason why we exist, the reason why every one of our members shows up.
	It's not for that drama.
	It's to beat the Democrats.
	Everybody knows that. The donors know that, too.
	It is that straightforward.
	And I know how to do that.
	I am doing that. The relationships with Donald Trump and Joe Lombardo show that I'm doing that.
	Mm-hmm. Jesse, thank you so much, brother.
	You cut out a little bit there, but I heard you say your relationship with Donald Trump and Joe Lombardo shows that you're doing the work, correctly?
	Yeah. Is that correct? That's correct.
	Thank you so much, Jesse, for showing off to the Blood Money Podcast.
	Thank you for being willing to take these hard questions.
	Anytime, then.
	Yeah, thank you.
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