How the Church was Stolen with Jeff Dornik (Eps86)
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How the church was stolen.
Alright we're on the latest episode of Blood Money and today I have a very special guest, Mr.
Jeff Dornick. How are you doing, sir?
Doing very good. Doing very good.
Thanks for having me on. Yeah, yeah.
I was on your show a little while back, man, and I'm just really impressed with what you've been working on and getting this information out there.
Let's start with a little bit about your background, your bio.
What were you doing and what were you planning in life before this tyrannical catastrophe that we've seen in our country?
Yeah. Honestly, my story has been a wild experience.
I actually went to college to study Christian ministries to focus on youth ministry.
That was right around the time of the real estate crash of 2008.
I was out in Arizona, and I was in my junior year of college.
I realized, okay, so the real estate market crashed.
I've got all these churches that are in the Arizona area.
I realized, Nobody's hiring youth pastors.
Nobody's hiring worship pastors, which was the other side of church ministry that I had experience in.
And so those were the two things that I was trained in that churches wanted volunteers for.
So the only thing that churches were hiring at the time I was senior pastors and maybe an administrative person or something along those lines.
And so I realized, okay, crap.
I'm spending all this money on college, going for Christian Ministries for a career that's basically paying no money right now.
Great. So then I ended up getting a job working with a startup company out in Arizona.
Started off in customer service, moved over to sales.
I basically had my hand in basically almost every aspect of this startup company.
It was a really good learning experience for me because then I learned, how do you launch a business?
How do you run it?
How do you fulfill? How do you deal with products?
How do you deal with all that kind of stuff?
And then from there, I jumped around, did some freelance work, all of that.
And then it came 2020, and I got a job.
I was working for a very prominent advertising agency out in New York.
I was the VP of operations. I was able to work remotely.
I live in communist California.
They're in communist New York.
And so I started January of 2020 and was working with them.
And then COVID hit.
And they basically let everybody go except for people that were actively working on advertising campaigns.
Well, I wasn't on the advertising side of things, so they let me go.
There was no point of having VP of operations if you can't even operate business in New York.
So that's when I was supposed to interview.
And I remember this happened on March 17th.
It was a day after my birthday.
And I was supposed to interview this guy, JD Rucker, for my Christian podcast at the time.
And then I called him and I'm like, dude, I just got let go of my job.
I got to figure some stuff out. Let's reschedule.
So he immediately calls me and he's like, okay, I just want to throw this out there because he's like, I believe God works in very crazy, weird ways.
And I don't believe that there's coincidences.
So he's like, why don't we start working together?
And I'm like, okay, what did you have in mind?
And initially, we were talking about maybe starting a super PAC, getting into politics, because I understood the Christian world, but I hadn't really jumped into the politics side of things.
By the way, you mentioned you had a Christian podcast.
How long ago did you start that?
I started that in 2017.
I was actually working with Brandon Howes over at Worldview Weekend for a while.
I started my show over there.
It started off as the Gatekeepers podcast.
That was just monologue.
I would deal with current events happening within the church.
Then I launched a show called Conversations with Jeff, which was just an interview show where I literally just interviewed Theologians, pastors, things along those lines.
It was really interesting and I learned a lot, especially about podcasting and how to do interviews.
I'd never done anything like that. I was always this quiet, shy, homeschool kid growing up.
I'd never done any of this kind of stuff.
And so JD knew that I had this background in podcasting.
I had started The Gatekeepers, which was a podcasting network of other Christian shows.
And he's like, well, what if we, instead of doing the pack thing, because neither one of us know multi-multi-millionaires that can support our pack.
What if we start a podcast network dealing with politics and current events and all that kind of stuff?
Okay, cool. We did that.
We launched Freedom First Network.
I immediately reached out to a friend of mine who is now the co-host of our top show on the network, Two Mikes.
That's with Dr. Michael Scheuer and Colonel Mike.
We basically helped launch their show and now they're consistently in the top 100 shows on Apple Podcasts.
They're phenomenal. Dr.
Scheuer is a former CIA intelligence officer.
His job actually was to track Osama bin Laden.
And he would go into the White House, sit in the Oval Office and tell Clinton and Bush and everybody, Osama's right here.
We could take him out. Like, no, no, he's an asset.
We can't do that. So he's got some crazy stories.
But it was it was a crazy thing where we're trying to figure out Okay, so we've got this podcast network. How do we turn this into a business? Right? Because because the reality of it is, is that there's always the attacks against conservatives for being a patriot, PY, PAY, triad, you know, it's like, you're just a grim reaper money. But in order to actually do this properly, where you have the time to actually investigate, you know, to conduct interviews, do this, you have to have an income.
So we basically threw a whole bunch of things against the wall to see what works, what sticks, we do a subscription model, do we do advertising, do we develop our own products. So we kind of did a bit of developing our own products and doing like And that's what stuck. And we've been able to build this thing and grow this thing to where now we've got a great, solid business.
We've got a great group of guys that have shows in the network.
And my job, basically, running this network is basically how can I facilitate to amplify voices that I think need to be heard and also to help people to monetize.
So that's basically been my focus for the last couple of years on this thing.
Wow, that's amazing.
You're doing the podcasting, so you have experience in that, but you're dealing mostly with Christian-themed stuff.
You're not going into politics, right?
Tell us about the transition of going from somebody that was into Christian-themed podcasts, all of a sudden talking about politics, talking about tyrants, talking about conspiracies.
How did that happen, and when did that exactly happen?
Yeah, so luckily, one of the things that we were dealing with back in between 2018 and 2020 was this really big push within the evangelical church, the social justice crowd, the woke Christianity, all that kind of stuff.
And so during that time, I actually put out two books where I brought together a bunch of different Christian leaders To write about these social justice issues because what was happening within the church specifically was you had these pastors that were combining Bernie Sanders AOC type rhetoric with biblical Christianity and then blending it together and making this mesh that was just horrific.
And so we put out a book called Social Injustice, Exposing the False Gospel of the Social Justice Movement.
And we had great contributing authors, people like Brandon Howes, Dr.
Andy Woods, Michael Massey wrote The Forward.
It was phenomenal.
And that book did really well.
But the thing is that then we launched over to the second book, which was the sequel that came out maybe six months, eight months later, called Church and State, How the Left Used the Church to Conquer America.
And that one took a more political approach, because what what ended up happening is we saw the political activism that was happening within the church. And so what we did with with the with social injustice, it was more on the theology, church and state was more on the strategy of infiltration, how we dissected how George Soros was compromising groups like the Gospel Coalition, like the Southern Baptist Convention, how they were actually infiltrating the seminaries with these woke leftist political ideologies, and
getting these professors in there to hijack the seminaries, because that was where they were training pastors to then go out and be political activists for the woke social justice leftist mob. And so we really exposed this we had guys like Greg Lockright chapters, we had Denise McAllister, Dr.
Michael Brown.
We put together a great book on that, but that began to take a more political side of things because what we saw was this blending together of theology and politics.
So then when I launched the Jeff Dornick show with Freedom First Network, I started interviewing politicians and conservative thought leaders, and I realized a lot of these exact same things that we're dealing with now within politics was the same thing I was dealing with two, three years ago within the evangelical church.
So I started being able to bridge that gap.
And the more I research and the more I dive into this, the more I realize that the supposed conspiracy theories are actual legitimate conspiracies that are happening.
Can I put up my hand here real quick?
I just want to throw something in here because it's like the global conspiracy aspect of this, I don't think people realize, right?
Because what strikes me in what you're saying is that At the same time that the church was being infiltrated, right?
Probably a year or two before that, it was around 2016, 2017, where I saw the media being infiltrated.
Like, literally, this woke ideology came in overnight, and things like getting rid of experienced showrunners because they were either male, and frankly, they were going after some of the Older females that were probably more conservative.
All of a sudden, there was like, everybody was getting fired, right?
Being replaced by young people with purple hair, you know?
And I literally saw the networks I was working at, I probably shouldn't say their names, but there's like, You know, three of them that where I saw this happen right in front of my eyes, where this change then caused, you know, go woke, go broke.
It was a disaster.
Now, to add to that, I've talked to judges who around the same time were dismissed because essentially they're white males and they were taken out of office.
So it's interesting how this all happened within like a three, four year period across multiple industries.
Yeah, well, and I think specifically, you know, what I was dealing with within the evangelical church, we saw a lot of the same kind of things.
We saw seminary professors get kicked out for saying, like, you know, some things that went against woke narratives or, you know, whatever.
Like, I think it was at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
The seminary, you know, the president of the seminary was actually ousted, you know, for a supposed Me Too accusation in the midst of all the Me Too stuff that ended up being absolutely ridiculous.
And it was just a bunch of leftists trying to get rid of this old school, prominent conservative leader.
And then they replaced him with a complete woke leftist social justice warrior of a leader taking over the Southwest Baptist Theological Seminary.
So we saw a lot of the same strategies happening.
But I think the really important thing that we've got to understand is that this has been a systematic strategy to conquer this country that's been going on for 50 years or more.
You know, and they systematically took over every aspect of our society where they could have influence over our thoughts and minds.
There's a reason why the CIA went to Hollywood and set up shop there and they began to control the narratives that was happening in our film, in our music, in our TV shows.
You know, it was to be able to push certain narratives and certain propaganda that they want to push.
There's a reason why they systematically took over our universities, why they took over our education system, why they took over the publishing, why they took over...
Any sense of influence, any institution of influence, they systematically took over.
And the last one that they were not able to actually conquer for the longest time was the evangelical church.
In my opinion, that was the final straw.
That was the last stand.
And they did that by hijacking the seminaries and then flipping certain prominent evangelical leaders.
And I'll name some names as well.
If you look up somebody like an Al Mohler, Al Mohler is one of the leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention.
You know, for the longest time, he was seen as this conservative, prominent Christian leader.
He was the one that like CNN would call to be the conservative voice to go against whatever their narrative.
And all of a sudden he starts adopting a lot of these woke, you know, you know, critical race theory and LGBTQ issues and things along those lines.
And a lot of his guys were pushing, you know, you know, promoting a lot of these transgender LGBTQ issues within the evangelical church, which is mind boggling.
Then you got somebody like a John Piper, who's world famous.
A lot of Christians love this guy.
And he's been seen as this reformed, conservative, principled Christian.
But then what he's doing is he's embracing Black Lives Matter and actually saying that the Second Amendment should be abolished and no Christian should ever own a firearm.
And you're just sitting here like, when did this happen?
And why did this all happen between 2015 and 2018?
Like, there's this consistent thing going on.
This is what I was trying to get at.
For anybody that doesn't think there's these elite that are literally pulling the strings with timing and precision, I mean, this happened, and you look at our courts, sorry to interrupt you, Jay.
No, go for it. You know, you look at our courts right now.
It's these woke activist judges.
And it's funny. I was talking to Joey Gilbert the other day and he was complaining about how three years ago it feels like the world in the judicial circle started to fall apart because he's like, I was kicking ass until three years ago.
And the judges were respecting the Constitution and the laws that are in the books.
He's like, right around three years ago, all of a sudden, cases that were clearly constitutional were getting dismissed for no logical reason, for complete BS, for statutory laws that they're putting, you know, before the Constitution, which is not the way you got it because the Constitution is supposed to be supreme, right? And so he noticed this clear change.
And lo and behold, you look at what happened with these, essentially these white male judges being dismissed because they were white males or being taken out of the judge's seat because they're white males and then being replaced by essentially woke activist judges.
And I mean, I just don't know how a country could function.
And obviously, that's the purpose of all this is to make sure everything collapses when your most important systems are no longer functioning.
I would say it even goes beyond just the white male judges.
I mean, look at what they're doing with Clarence Thomas right now in the Supreme Court.
It's just a smear campaign, unlike anything that we've seen on that level.
But really, what they will do is they will systematically destroy you if you stand in their way.
And one of the interesting things that we've learned That I've learned dealing with stuff both in the political world and in the Christian world is that if you're supposed to be on the left and you're not, or you walk away, they will literally do whatever they have to do in order to destroy you, right? It's like the mob. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I mean, when you think about it, Clarence Thomas, he's a black Supreme Court justice.
According to the left's ideology, he should be a leftist, but he's not.
He's a conservative. So they're going to do whatever they can to destroy him.
A good friend of mine, Bobby Lopez, he hosts a show, The Big Brown Gadfly, on our podcast network.
He's Latino, right?
He was a professor at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
He's formally gay, became a Christian, repented.
Now he actually speaks out about a lot of the sex abuse that happens within the gay community, even within the evangelical world and all that kind of stuff.
Well, he's somebody...
Latino, formerly gay, everybody thinks he should be this leftist, right?
But then he comes out as this prominent conservative voice within the Southern Baptist movement.
He gets canceled for telling his story of how Jesus Christ came into his life and transformed his life and took him out of this gay lifestyle where there was massive amounts of just abuse and just horrific things and all that.
And he becomes a Christian, now married with multiple kids, a great family, all this kind of stuff.
He was fired for literally taking interviews and sharing his story.
Like, they will do whatever they can to control the narrative, and if you're supposed to be on the left, they will just systematically destroy you.
Then you have guys like you that rise up.
Tell me about that journey.
I'm sure it was a little bit at your comfort zone to go out there and be like, I'm going to take on the tyrants of this world by revealing information that the mainstream media doesn't want us to know.
Well, so again, it's very strange.
I'll take it back to the evangelical side of things first, because this is where I really learned, number one, you have to have thick skin, and number two, you have to be willing to follow the truth wherever it leads, even if that means that people will set out to destroy you.
So one of the things that got me started in all of this was I started critiquing this guy named Pastor John MacArthur.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with him.
He's out here in California.
It has a big church up in Sun Valley.
And so I was actually practically born into his church when I was a little kid.
We went to his church. I grew up basically in a family that was diehard Pastor John MacArthur.
Now that I'm looking, it's almost cult-like, right?
It's like, well, John MacArthur says that, you know, X, Y, and Z. And you don't think so.
You're clearly a heretic.
And so there became this debate.
Over interfaith dialogues.
And this is all, you know, a long story, but I'm shortening it.
There's this thing about interfaith dialogues where there was one theologian, Dr.
James White, was sitting down with a Muslim Imam, and they were trying to find the commonalities between Islam and Christianity.
And I took the position that there are no commonalities.
They're a completely different religion.
They worship a different God, whereas they were kind of saying, no, it's kind of the same God.
We just believe differently about him and all this kind of stuff.
Well, John MacArthur historically had always opposed interfaith dialogues until it was James White doing it.
And James White, hey, it's a friend of MacArthur.
So all of a sudden, he changes his tune.
And I started, I'm literally this guy on Twitter with 50 followers, no followers.
And I start questioning, why are you changing your position?
Like, what's going on here?
And all of a sudden, MacArthur's right-hand henchman comes out and he just systematically sets out to destroy me.
Over the course of that next year, I had been stalked by a member of Grace Community Church.
Literally, they were going to places, posting on an anonymous account, took pictures of where I was the following day to where they could show.
They knew where I was.
They knew where I was going. It was crazy.
They went like full Scientology on you.
That's the stories I've heard of people that leave the church with Scientology.
Yes, exactly.
And really, what was wild about this, this is all over a theological debate over interfaith dialogues, and all of a sudden, I'm getting stalked.
Well, I ended up talking to a LAPD police detective, right?
A Los Angeles police detective.
She told me that she's like, this is a cult, right?
She's like, what ends up happening?
They're actually participating in criminal behavior, both financially, there's accusations of sex trafficking, there's sex rings going on within there, there's abuse going on, there's all this kind of stuff, they're covering it up.
How are they covering it up? She said that I would go in and investigate.
Grace Community Church for all these crimes.
And every time I would get close, there was somebody from the church that was in the LAPD that would shut down the investigation every single time.
She's like, this is dangerous territory and this is a prominent evangelical leader.
This is a pastor that Jenna Ellis was actually defending against Gavin Newsom and actually giving, you know, a legal advice to and actually representing them in their lawsuit against the state of California.
This is a prominent guy.
And this LAPD police detective actually told me, no, this is actually a criminal investigation.
As I was watching Leah Remini's documentary series on Scientology, where she talks about all these different people interviewing them on leaving Scientology.
I started.
There were so many times I paused and I looked at my wife and I'm like, this is the exact same thing that was happening in John MacArthur's church.
One quick thing, by the way, this story you're seeing is like so widespread, by the way, and I won't get into details, but we've done quite a number of interviews where we hear about churches tied to certain big politicians in Washington, D.C., in Mexico, for example.
Same sort of thing, but it is a lot more widespread than I think people understand.
Well, here's the thing, and this leads me into this book that I'm currently writing.
It's called Following the Leader, which you guys can actually pre-order if you want to.
It'll be out by the end of the year, but what I'm doing is I'm looking at...
A lot of these, basically what I'm arguing is that the intelligence agencies, agencies like the CIA, NSA, all these different intelligence agencies, I believe that they were actually using cults and religious groups in order to test their brainwashing and propaganda techniques.
And so you see connections between people like Jim Jones and the CIA. You see connections between Scientology and the intelligence agencies.
And I've been hearing rumors, and I'm looking at it as well, that There's ties between John MacArthur and the intelligence agencies.
There's ties between evangelical groups.
Sorry about John MacArthur.
You would think, I mean, I've seen quite a number of movies where, with the sort of thing you're talking about, real, I mean, movies based upon real life events, where the sort of thing you're talking about, where there's an investigation to gather a bunch of information, and then always at the last minute, there's somebody that's putting a block to it.
I mean, that's classic intelligence right there.
Oh, yeah. No, absolutely.
So as I'm looking at this, I'm like, so what's the significance of this?
Why are they doing this?
Well, I believe that they're using this in order to see how can we manipulate people.
And I think what they realize is they need a cult leader, right?
That you need a leader that people will follow and follow blindly.
And I think that now we're seeing that play out ever since 2019 until now to where if you look at the way big tech is working, the mainstream media, politics, religion, everything, what they do is they try to push you towards a leader in order for you to follow, whether it's Fauci, whether it's Donald Trump.
Whether it's Joe Biden, whoever it is, and you're supposed to just fall in line.
You no longer have principles.
Now you are a part of a team.
You are a follower.
You are a sheeple of a particular political leader or religious leader or any kind of leader that you can think of.
And then you are supposed to fall into line with whatever they say under loyalty or whatever thing that they want to say.
Yeah. Which, by the way, this is something we realize in the freedom movement, too.
I won't give any names so we don't get off topic here.
But, like, this idea of putting a star out there, a celebrity out there.
This is something that's been perfected.
And you think about, look, these celebrities, I mean, let's be real.
Like, a lot of them come from traumatized backgrounds.
Part of the reason why people want to be celebrities, and you could read about the psychology of celebrity and all that, is because they're trying to be something.
They're trying to get their name in the lights, right?
And that's not like how every single person is because there are true artists, right?
But if you look at the essence of that, that's the easiest person to capture and control.
And it's funny how that seems to be in every case, where they've taken the power out of people, and you see people blindly following these individuals, thinking that these individuals are gonna be the, you know, the knights in shining armor, that they're gonna save everything, as opposed to taking control of their lives and the fate of this country, frankly, by actually doing something.
So, yes, I totally understand how that psychology plays into their hand because you disempower the people and you have essentially a CIA puppet that's not going to do much.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure.
And the thing is that we see this playing out within the political world as well.
I mean, you've got somebody like a Donald Trump, right?
And I'm not saying that he's controlled by the CIA, but we're seeing a lot of the same tactics that's at play here, where you've got somebody like him where he's out there legitimately pushing what I refer to as the bioweapon injections, poison death shots, COVID jabs.
He's actively pushing that.
And you've got all of these people That are anti-vaccine that are either making excuses for him or supporting him or whatever that might be.
And you're just sitting here and you're like, what happened to just sitting back, having your principals, calling balls and strikes, and then just voting for whichever candidate is most closely aligned?
That might be Donald Trump.
That might be somebody else. I don't know.
But what happened to be being principled first?
And every single time, I bring up the question, when is Donald Trump going to change his tune on the COVID jabs?
Because that is a major concern.
Yeah, like, I mean, like, is that a deal breaker for you?
The fact that, you know, I was actually just writing a note about Donald Trump here.
But, you know, how could, I don't know, how can we look at him and say that he's not controlled opposition when he's pushing something or he was pushing something that's clearly a death jab?
Well, so there's lots of different ways to look at this.
One could be that he's controlled opposition, which I think that there is a real possibility that that could be the case.
But then again, is everybody controlled opposition?
When you think about it, I mean, I don't trust Ron DeSantis.
That's for sure. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who would be the person that would not be controlled opposition?
Maybe an RFK, but then I disagree with him on climate issues.
I disagree with him on the role of the government.
I disagree with him on all these different issues, but he's right when it comes to the COVID jabs and he's right when it comes to the deep state and the NSA and the CIA and all that kind of stuff.
So I think that what we have to do is I think we have to call balls and strikes.
We have to say, look, Trump, you're dead wrong when it comes to the COVID jabs.
And I think we need to have that conversation and that a lot of people are just refusing to have.
I think that with Donald Trump, we need to have the conversation.
Look, you raised a quarter of a billion dollars to fight election fraud and actually overturn the election.
What did you do with that money?
I haven't seen that money spent. Where did that money go?
There's some legitimate questions that I think we need to have.
And I think it's strategically better if you're a Trump supporter.
I want to throw one thing here about the fundraising, because the geography of fundraising, meaning that when somebody like a Donald Trump raised a quarter of a billion dollars, he's basically covering...
Most of the money that people could actually throw at something like this, right?
Which I've heard that that's part of the technique that these organizations pop up, celebrities pop up, that really take so much of the public funds due to donation being a centerpiece that now really the movement suffers when that person is either controlled opposition or has nefarious ideas about what to do with that money.
So I'm not saying Donald Trump is like, you know, part of this big conspiracy.
It just, it does concern me that he's raised so much money for elections, hasn't done anything.
And this jab, I mean, how does he go up against somebody like an RFK when that guy is talking the truth about the jab and still continue to not reveal that this thing is actually a death jab?
Yeah, so the problem with Trump is that either he's controlled opposition, and again, I don't know.
That's the thing. I don't know.
Is he controlled opposition? Or understanding his personality, he just doesn't want to admit that he's wrong, right?
So there could be that side of it as well.
And I think from a strategic standpoint, he was trying to take away Joe Biden's claim that, look, I'm the one that rolled out the vaccine, and he's trying to make that appeal to the moderate Republicans that are still pro-vaccine.
And the independence and things like that.
The problem is that it's just not based on reality.
We know statistically that the COVID jabs do not do any positive.
It doesn't stop you from contracting COVID, spreading COVID, getting seriously ill, going to the hospital or dying.
In fact, it makes it more likely that you experience any of those.
And on top of that, it's causing injuries, disabilities and death.
And even their ability to control you from within.
So when you actually look at this, there is no positive.
By definition, according to the United States Code, that is a bioweapon that needs to be taken off of the market immediately.
And this is one of my biggest concerns with Trump and a lot of people like, Jeff, all you focus on is the vaccines and the COVID jabs and all that.
But here's the thing. If Donald Trump can't admit that he was wrong and he can't change course, How can I trust and believe that he's going to change course on anything else?
How can I trust and believe that he's learned his lesson, that he needs to stop trusting the wrong people, that he needs to stop trusting the established Republican crowd, that he needs to stop trusting the Anthony Fauci's and these globalists?
If he can't change course on the COVID jabs, how can I trust that he's going to change course on anything else that he did wrong during his presidency?
And again, I'll preface that by saying, Donald Trump, greatest president of my lifetime.
In my opinion, he did more for this country than any other president that I can think of in modern history.
At the same time, he has some serious flaws that need to be dealt with heading into the 2024 election.
Even with the flaws, he may be the best candidate for the job, but I hope that he'll change course on it.
I mean, and you wonder, like, when you look at something like the Tucker Carlson firing, again, you got to look at this kind of like from the bird's eye view, right?
How we're talking about all these industries at the same time, in that same bubble of time, essentially going woke and people being bought out and replaced in order to really affect the agenda that they have for this entire country.
But then you look at the bird's eye view and you see these attacks on pro-Trump type people, right?
Where their lives are literally attacked, like Tucker Carlson being one, where, you know, I think the primary reason why they don't want Tucker Carlson out there is because he's a mouthpiece for Donald Trump.
You know, in his audience, three and a half million, plus the residue effect of that message.
Looking at, you know, people like Andrew Tate, frankly, part of his message is similar in terms of, you know, empowerment and, you know, the government and all that stuff.
You know, they go after him.
him that whether you feel good or bad about Andrew Tate, the fact is they start going after him without actually having a full case, which is kind of like what they're doing with the hunt, you know, hunting down Donald Trump.
You know, the Giuliani's, I mean, pretty much they go after anybody that is pro-Trump.
So does that indicate that regardless of our questions about Donald Trump with the jab and all that, he is still such a threat to this establishment that they will try to get rid of him at all costs, including, you know, trying to take him out, you know, with nefarious methods like killing him, you know.
Yeah, so I think there's a couple ways to look at it.
So, like, I think that the reason why...
Tucker Carlson was taken out, Andrew Tate, and a lot of these, like you said, Giuliani.
It's not because necessarily they were Trump supporters.
It's because they were exposing the truth.
Tina Peters, too, by the way.
We just did a short little doc on her about the persecution of Tina Peters.
I know there's a ton of names, and it's like, they don't all come to me.
But yeah, it's...
Absolutely. But I think it's because they were exposed – because there's a lot of Trump supporters that have not been taken out, right?
And so why were these other Trump supporters not being taken out but these particular ones were?
I think it's less about their support of Donald Trump and more about the fact that they were getting way too close to the truth.
And I think that that's why they're going after Trump.
I don't think it's necessarily that they're scared of Trump in and of himself, but it's that Trump actually knows the truth on particular issues that would expose their entire corrupt system.
Because again, like he always said, he used to be a part of the corrupt system.
He used to pay off politicians.
He used to do the whole thing, right?
And then once he became president, then he saw what was really going on.
Now, here's a crazy conspiracy that actually shows that Trump may have actually been much more in the know than I think most people even realize.
Are you familiar with the whole Gillian Maxwell tie to the Mar-a-Lago raid?
No, I'm not actually, no.
Okay, so this is a wild story, and I was talking with J.D. Rucker when he wrote about this.
He was one of the first people to write about this.
But he's like, this is one of those conspiracy theories.
It sounds crazy, but he's like, I can't, like, it makes such perfect sense.
So Gillian Maxwell, this was before the Mar-a-Lago raids.
Gillian Maxwell is in prison.
She's giving her first interview.
You know, after her court case, right?
And so she's in there, she's like, you know, in her prison cell and all that.
And she's explaining like, what it's like in prison, you know, it's like, you know, here's the conditions, here's what's going on.
And then she starts talking crazy talk, right?
Like out of nowhere, which again, is a very typical strategy if you're trying to communicate with the intelligence agencies.
What you do is you say something so absurd, so over the top, it doesn't make sense in and of itself, but they understand what you're talking about, right?
So she starts saying that all of a sudden there's these crazy things happening in her jail cell, like Lights are turning on and off.
Toilets are flushing out of nowhere.
Like, she's nowhere near the toilet.
Like, all this stuff.
And she keeps blaming it on what's considered this person called A-17.
And a lot of people thought, okay, maybe it's another cell.
Maybe she's saying that this person's messing with her or whatever it is.
But she kept saying A-17.
She kept saying A-17 is doing this.
A-17 is turning the lights on and off and whatever.
She starts talking all this crazy talk.
Well, then a couple months later, then the Mar-a-Lago raid happens where the FBI goes in.
They take all the stuff out of Trump's office and all that.
Well, it turns out that if you look at the list of the things that they actually took, There was a box that was labeled A-17 that was in there.
And so there's a lot of belief that Donald Trump actually had the evidence about the ties between the intelligence agencies and Jeffrey Epstein, that they were actually using him to compromise the world leaders by having to do the horrific things on the island.
And basically, the belief was that she was signifying to the FBI, this is what you need to look for, because this is the documentation that you need.
And so she was trying to play nice with the intelligence agencies.
Wow, wow. And so they took that, now they have it in their possession, theoretically, if this is true.
Exactly. Wow. I mean, why doesn't, I mean, if somebody like Donald Trump that actually has all that evidence, why doesn't he just, why hold it long enough to give him an opportunity to take it back?
I mean, I know we're speculating here.
Leverage. Honestly, it would be for leverage.
It would be because if you just come out with it, yes, you're exposing it.
And as a principled conservative, whatever it is, for me, I'd be like, no, just come out with it.
We need to expose this whole thing.
We're running out of time. We're going over the cliff.
Stop holding onto it. But from a political standpoint and from, let's say, a Donald Trump standpoint, He's using it for leverage.
He's probably using it in order to either hold off their prosecutions, their persecutions on him, and like, look, I've got the files.
I'll come out with it if you do this.
So then they take that out, and then all of a sudden, after they do the Mar-a-Lago raid, they take that box labeled A-17.
That's when all the persecution has happened since then.
Look at the floodgate of lawsuits that's been happening.
Look at all the different things that have happened since that Mar-a-Lago raid.
I wonder, and again, this is just theoretical.
I can't prove it, but it's just my opinion.
Looking at this, you're like, if all of a sudden the intelligence agencies and the FBI during their raid, now all of a sudden they have the documentation that Donald Trump was using as leverage to hold them back, now they have free reign to do whatever they want when you think about it.
Yeah, I mean, it's a bit, but it's also, it's such a, in my opinion, it's such a flawed logic because if you have that kind of, the leverage thing is basically the game they play, right?
It's like they had dirt on all these politicians for a real long time.
You look at the paintings, you know, in Jeffrey Epstein's apartment.
I mean, if those aren't, Extortion right there with, you know, George Bush flying, you know, buildings or planes into the buildings and stuff.
And then you have, you know, Bill Clinton with like the Monica Lewinsky dress.
If I was a gangster, those are the images I would put on my walls to make sure those people know I control them.
And if you look at that logic, playing their game of, you know, essentially having information leverage, it just seems like a bad idea, but I don't know.
know, this is all speculation. We don't know if this this is what really happened. But you're, you're right. There are a lot of coincidences there that you know, calling the question what happened? Yeah, well, yeah. And I think the reality of it is that if you look at Donald Trump, since he announced he was running, he was running for president, what he did, especially back in 2015, and 2016, is he used the left the left tactics against them, right, you know, you know, everything from, you know, historically, Republicans always took the high road, they never
They had never responded with the personal insults like the way that the left always I mean, look at Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney lost because he refused to retaliate to the ridiculous things that were being said about him.
And then Donald Trump's like, well, screw that.
I'm going to take the whole system on.
I'll just call everybody names, do the personal attacks, which is something that Republicans typically did not want to do up until that point.
And so when you think about it, Donald Trump has always used the leftist tactics against them, which was one of the things that actually attracted a lot of people to him.
Finally, we've got a fighter. Finally, we've got somebody that's going to throw this right back in their face.
The problem is that Donald Trump's practically his entire adult life.
He's been a Democrat. He's been in the swamp.
And so I think to a certain degree...
He may be taking this too far of using their tactics because that's what he's been in and around his entire life.
And he may be taking it too far, but it's so inundated into his mentality that that might be one of the major hiccups of Donald Trump.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Jeff, this has really been awesome.
I think the thing that really just kind of was amazing information is what they're doing at churches, because we haven't had necessarily an interview that talks about how the churches were taken over, or at least the attempt to take it over the churches.
Where is that right now?
I mean, is it still in disarray or is it fixing itself?
Are people taking action to help the churches fix themselves?
I mean, honestly, not really.
I mean, you know, like for the long...
I live here in Communist California.
It was very difficult for us to find a good church out here.
And we finally found a solid Bible teaching church.
And then all of a sudden, 2019-2020 hit, and all of a sudden they're talking about, like, you know, Black Lives Matter.
And we're no longer going to hold church services anymore because of COVID. And then even after Gavin Newsom allowed churches to start holding services again, our church went so far as to say, we're going to wait an extra month to allow people to get vaccinated.
So that way everybody can be protected when they actually do come back.
And we're like, yeah, this is getting ridiculous.
And they actually held a service.
Where they're like, you know, we're a majority white church.
And so we're gonna bring in a black person so that way we can all just sit and listen and learn what it's like to be a black person in America.
And I'm like, I'm not gonna allow my wife and then now my kid To be influenced and controlled by this kind of leftist ideology.
I'm sorry. So we stepped away, now we're going to a different church.
But the reality of it is that this has overtaken the vast majority of churches in this country.
And for anybody who's, you know, you're going to church, you're a Christian, what I always tell people, if you want to know whether your pastor is compromised, there's something very simple you can do.
Look at who your pastor is quoting in his sermons because that will tell you everything you need to know about his ideology.
Because sometimes it's very difficult to tell because they're kind of hiding it and cloaking a lot of their leftist talking points.
But if they're quoting John Piper or Tim Keller or Rick Warren or any of these guys, I'm pretty sure that they're a leftist.
They're a closeted leftist.
And you can tell as soon as they, as soon as they quote a Tim Keller, a Tim, call a Tim Keller quote, you're gonna be like, okay, uh, I need to either have, go have a conversation with our pastor or I need to find a new church because they're clearly being influenced by the wrong people.
And these guys have such widespread influence over so many pastors and so many churches. I mean, they hold pastors conferences in arenas with only pastors to hear somebody like a Tim Keller, we have 10,000, 15,000 pastors.
Think about the influence that that one guy has over.
If you have 15,000 pastors, let's say the church is sending two pastors per church.
That's 7,500 churches now being influenced in one event by one guy. That's a leftist in him in Tim Keller.
So look at who your pastor is quoting.
Go do research on that person that's being quoted.
That will tell you everything you need to know about who your pastor is.
Exactly, exactly. Jeff, you know, this will probably be my last big question, right?
You interview tons of people.
You're always talking to people.
You've got a lot of information coming towards you, right?
What's your best future prediction of where this is going?
What do you think is going to happen in the next few years to this country?
What happens in our future?
So if we continue down the trajectory that we're heading, I mean, we are heading towards the Great Reset, which is essentially the attempt to establish the New World Order, the attempt to establish the Antichrist reign that's predicted in the Book of Revelation in the Bible.
That's the direction that we're heading.
I mean, the Bible talks about they're going to be going towards a one-world government, a one-world currency.
Yeah. A one-world religion.
The Bible predicts this.
That's exactly what they're trying to implement.
Now, the question is, is this actually the time?
Because if you look at the world's history, Satan has been trying to establish this one-world government and one-world currency since the beginning of time.
He tried it with the Roman Empire.
He tried it with the British Empire.
You look at every single empire...
And you can actually, and this is another crazy conspiracy theory, but you can actually see the magi, you know, the magi that were there at the birth of Christ, they were actually the kingmakers.
That was the significance of them showing up at Christ's birth, is that God said, look, you guys are these kind of like New World Order, you know, people, astrologists, you guys are the kingmakers.
But I'm going to use you to signify that this is the actual king of this world.
That Jesus is the actual king of the world.
That was the significance. Because you can see the same magi were there in the book of Daniel in Babylon.
They were the ones that set up the king of Babylon.
They were the ones that were there in Egypt with Moses behind the pharaohs.
They were the ones that established the pharaohs.
They went to China when China became a superpower.
You saw them with Nazi Germany when Nazi Germany was trying to conquer the world.
You saw them with England when England practically conquered the entire world.
These same people That are pushing the exact same agenda, have been trying to accomplish this since the beginning of time.
And then they would get very close.
You look at every empire.
They almost conquered the world.
And then God said, yeah, you know what?
It's not time yet.
I'm going to allow you to implode.
And guess what? You guys can try again in a different way.
Now, the significance of what's going on right now.
This is the first time where they didn't try to conquer the world with one nation, right?
Think about Nazi Germany.
They tried to conquer the entire world by dominating the world.
This time, they're trying to conquer the world from within.
From within all of these different political systems, through things like the World Economic Forum, through things like the United Nations, by compromising our leaders, both in our country and all the rest of the countries around the world, and trying to bring everybody together in order to essentially establish that one world government, one world currency. And if we continue down this path, that's where we're heading.
Now, I don't know Is this time to establish the Antichrist reign?
I have no idea. Only God knows.
And so they're going to get close, and we're approaching that point of no return to where God's either going to say, yeah, you know what, it's time, or, sorry, it's not time, I'm going to allow it to implode, and you can try again.
As time is going on, it's looking more and more bleak, but here's the thing.
There's enough people that understand the truth about what's going on that are not getting hoodwinked around the world.
I mean, look at the massive protests that are happening around the world against this tyranny that's going on.
Yeah, like France, for example.
Yeah. The Bible says that the Antichrist will be so deceptive that he will even be able to deceive the elect, which means the Christians and the believers.
So I don't see that happening in the current landscape.
I don't see the people like you and I getting hoodwinked into buying into a one-world government.
But is that... I mean, okay.
Is that... Because 99.5% probably of the church has been hoodwinked at that.
I mean, people like you and I, in terms of the church, are not like...
Is there a lot of us?
Or I don't know. So there's not very many pastors...
There's a lot of everyday lay people.
So the thing that I've realized talking to people, it's the pastors that are being compromised.
It's the everyday churchgoer that is like, something doesn't sit right with me.
Like, what's going on here?
And so when you're looking at this, I mean, I would argue that a significant portion of America, I don't know if it's a majority or not, but I would tend to believe it's a majority, would not go along with a one-world government system.
And so I think as long as we will be obedient, as long as we will continue exposing the truth, I believe that God can and he has historically worked through those that are being obedient in order to thwart those plans.
And I believe that that's why we have to keep fighting.
Mm-hmm.
God's going to rapture us away, take away the believers, take away the elect, and then the rest of the world will go to crap.
But my job and your job and everybody's job that's watching this is to be obedient and continue moving forward as if we will win this thing.
Because as long as we're obedient, God can work through us even in impossible situations in order to thwart their plans.
Yep. Yep. Yep. Jeff, this is amazing.
And by the way, what's really cool about this is, you know, we have kind of like what somebody on the outside would be like competing, you know, networks or whatever.
And, you know, frankly, personally, I don't I don't I don't give a shit because this is the important thing we're doing here is we're getting this information out.
And really, you know, we've got to support other people that are doing the same.
To me, the biggest concern and to our company, the biggest concern is it's amazing doing stuff like this and having You know, the camaraderie, brotherhood of like, you know, putting this information out there.
But how do we get more bees to the honey?
That's always been the trick.
How do we how do we convert the people that are on the edge?
And more importantly, how do we take some of the people that are, you know, maybe questioning things, but they're still, you know, brainwashed by the whole leftist mentality and bring them to our side?
Well, see, and that's the difficult part because the big tech companies have put us into these little algorithmic bubbles is what I always refer to them as.
Even if you're allowed on Twitter and Facebook and all that kind of stuff, you're just preaching to the choir constantly.
And then if you got kicked off like I was for a couple of years, you go over to Gator, you go over to Gab, you go over to these other places, and you're just preaching to the choir.
And I've talked to Mindy Robinson about this all the time.
We'll text and we try to figure...
And she made the point to me one time.
She's like... I feel like we're constantly talking to people that agree with us.
How do we get the everyday person to actually hear what we're saying?
She's like, what do I have to do? Rent a plane and go drop flyers out over Los Angeles?
And when you think about it, that's the problem.
Somebody has got to come up with a solution to all of this to bypass the big tech censorship.
I'm actually starting a tech company.
I'm going to be coming out with my solution for that.
But the reality of it is that we have to realize that if we're going to create solutions, it can't just be another place for conservatives.
It can't just be another getter.
It can't just be another gab where we're just preaching to the choir.
We've got to be able to create something.
That will compete with big tech in the sense of compete for bringing people over because the technology there is comparable or it's something new, it's something unique, it's something that will attract them over.
Nobody who's not a conservative is going to go on to Getter or on to Truth Social or on to Getter because all they are are copycats.
It's terrible. It's terrible.
Just even that picture of we've been severed from communication with one another, therefore, like a random person doesn't have the choice of looking at it, you know, some memes about leftist ideology and seeing some memes about conservative ideology, making their own choice.
I mean, that is just absolutely pathetic.
And it's tyranny.
Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely.
And so if we're going to come out with solutions, it can't just be another place for conservatives.
It's got to be somewhere for anybody and everybody with technology that is superior and will actually confront the big tech's grasp and hold over the talking points and the narratives and all that kind of stuff.
I'm working on my solution that I'm actually going to be announcing at Clay Clark's Reawaken America Tour in Miami next week.
But we need more people thinking like that on how can we actually take on big tech, not just provide an alternative for what I always refer to as all the rejects.
I was a reject for two years.
I wasn't allowed on Twitter because I talked about the Tuskegee experiments one too many times.
But we need something that will appeal to the rejects, the conservatives that are not canceled, and leftists.
And we have to be okay that leftists are on there because we have to have that conversation.
Because the thing that I've realized, you know, I live out here in Communist California.
I try to have conversations with people that I disagree with all the time.
What's been interesting, especially over the last year or so, I've been actually able to open up a lot of people's minds and wake a lot of people up to a lot of things because I'm having the conversation.
If you're not allowed to have the conversation on Twitter, have the one-on-one conversations with people around you.
Don't just shout at them.
Don't just yell at them. Ask them questions.
Force them to think through things.
Let's take the censorship thing.
There's a lot of leftists that are like, yeah, we need to combat disinformation.
Okay, so then you ask the question, who decides what's disinformation?
What's the First Amendment there for?
Why did the Founding Fathers establish the First Amendment?
You start getting them to think through things, and all of a sudden they're like, oh, crap, I can't just keep repeating what I'm hearing on the mainstream media.
And part of it's also laziness.
It's like, yeah, you heard something.
You just said the Tuskegee experiment, right?
Yeah. All right, fine. You know, I heard that.
You could explain to me what it is.
But it's part of my duty to actually go and research it, make sure it's true, and make sure it's not disinformation.
Like, why should there be somebody that plays big brother in that process with what is actually our work?
It's our work to verify these things as individuals.
Yeah, I'm actually, you know, over the last couple of, you know, holidays, we went over to a family member's house, and I'm actually going to have him on my show.
He's a prominent attorney out here in California, but he's a total lefty, right?
And so one of the things that we're talking about was free speech.
And he was actually saying that, you know, well, the government actually has the ability to censor, you know, certain things, especially when it came to COVID, because you're dealing with a national, you know, health crisis and all this kind of thing.
And so it was interesting because I started, you know, just asking them pointed questions like, well, what about this?
Or, you know, what about the fact that, you know, the COVID gems are not 95% effective?
And I walk them through the math about how this study that they use to cite the 95%, they actually did a study of 40,000 people, 20,000 vaxxed, 20,000 people unvaxxed.
And out of those 40,000 people, less than 200 people contracted COVID over the entirety of their study, which means that more than 99% of people, whether you're vaxxed or unvaxxed, we're not going to get COVID according to their own study.
And then on top of that, they only did the study for seven days.
And then they actually eliminated either 400 or 700 people that died or had serious adverse reactions over that time.
I'm like, if you're looking at that, that's not actually saying it's 95% effective at all.
It's actually improving.
Statistically, it improved your protection compared to natural immunity by like 0.2%.
Is that even legitimately science to make that claim?
So I was like, the fact that they were censoring people You know, from talking about that is a giant, massive cover-up.
They don't have the constitutional authority to censor you, number one.
And number two, all they're doing is covering up for their own crimes against humanity.
And so if we're not allowed to critique that or challenge that, nobody will ever hear more people will get vaxxed, more people are going to die, more people are going to live with lifelong injuries and disabilities.
Because they were not able to get the information that they needed about the truth about what's going on with the COVID jab.
So I'm actually going to have them on the show and we're going to debate that.
But we need more debates and more discussions where number one, you're armed with the truth.
But number two, you're asking pointed questions and then following up with the data and the facts because you actually know this stuff inside out.
And that for me is why I do my show where, especially when I do the monologues, I'm trying to break this all down.
For people to understand the facts and the data.
You know, if we're talking about COVID as well, every Thursday I do a show with Karen Kingston called In the Foxhole.
And we break down all the patents, we break down all the data, all the science, all the research.
So in layman's terms, that way you can understand and be armed with the truth.
So that way you can actually go out.
We're actually training people and Karen's actually working on the ground right now to actually get counties to declare that the COVID jabs are bioweapons, give all the money back to the federal government, You know, basically ban it in your county.
And it's actually quite effective if you're armed with the truth.
So we're trying to arm as many people as we can with that.
Wow. Wow. Wow. Dude, that's awesome, Jeff.
We're actually interviewing Karen Kixson a little bit later today.
Yeah, yeah. She texted me yesterday.
She's like, you want to do a show today?
And she's like, I'm going on blood money.
I'm like, hey, I'm going on blood money, too.
Oh, no, no. It's funny because we interviewed the COVID Tierney Task Force, and I heard she works with those folks as well.
It's amazing. I mean, all this grassroots stuff, what you're doing, it really is inspiring.
And, you know, people out there should be inspired to, you know, do what's right in this time and really do their best to take down on a local level all these corrupt officials that got us into this mess.
And really, we need to see change to save this country without a shadow of a doubt.
Oh yeah, absolutely. And it's going to take action.
It's going to take action on the local level.
It's going to take action on the federal level.
And it's important that you understand that we live in a country where it's supposed to be self-government.
We are all a part of the government.
It's not just the people in D.C. It's not just the people in your state capitol.
They don't rule over you.
They answer to you. You elect them to represent you, not to tell you what to do.
And if they're violating the Constitution, I always say, the Constitution is the law of the land for the government.
If the government does not follow the Constitution, they are in violation of the law, and you have no requirement in order to submit to unconstitutional laws because that means that they're illegal laws, right?
They represent you, which means that if they're not doing their job, get rid of them, go challenge them, impeach them, recall them, run against them, get behind a candidate that can actually do the right thing, and understand you have constitutional rights that are given to you by God that cannot be taken away by the government by definition.
And if the government tries to take them away from you, remember, there is no asterisk In the Constitution that says, under these circumstances, your Constitution's rights can be taken away.
There's no asterisk. So since there's no asterisk, they cannot take those rights away from you.
Exactly, exactly. Jeff, is there anything that we didn't talk about that, in closing, you'd like to mention websites, the platform, network?
Mike is yours.
Oh yeah, definitely. So right now, if you guys are interested in my new book coming out, it'll be out by the end of the year called Following the Leader.
You guys can pre-order that right now.
All pre-orders will get signed copies.
Go to jeffdornick.com.
And again, that one's going to deal with the intelligence agencies, their ties with the cults, how they use that as testing grounds for brainwashing and propaganda techniques.
How do you get an everyday American off the street I always use this example of Scientology.
How do you get an average American off the street who walks in for whatever their test is and all that kind of stuff there in their Scientology center to buy into the fact that aliens are dropping into the Pacific Ocean climbing up the beach and indwelling human beings which become Scientologists and when you die the alien goes back up into the sky drops into the ocean and climbs up on the beach and indwells in other places.
How do you get the average American person To believe that.
Well, the CIA figured it out, and it's a step by step process.
It's the exact same thing that they do with the Illuminati.
It's the exact same thing that they do with Freemasonry.
What they do is they start you off on level one, then you go to level two, level three, level four, and in each step, they're getting you to accept something more absurd.
More absurd. More absurd into where you believe that aliens are dropping into the Pacific Ocean and climbing up on the beach.
That's how they did that. Now, that is also how they are controlling people when it comes to COVID, when it comes to the jabs, when it comes to election fraud.
They systematically get you to buy into something that is not true, and then they add something else that's not true, and then they add something else that's not true.
And so the book is going to lay all of that out.
You guys can pre-order that at jeffdornit.com.
Also, sign up for my substack, jeffdornick.substack.com.
I'm trying to put out more exposés, more information, all that kind of stuff over there.
So those are the two things I'd say.
That's awesome. That's awesome.
It sounds like an amazing book.
We will definitely be ordering that book.
Jeff, thank you so much for coming on to Blood Money Podcast.
We really appreciate your time.
This was really enlightening, especially, like I said, the churches, what's happening with the invasion of politics into the church.
Hopefully all this work that we're doing really transcends these issues and helps us lead to some serious change.
No, absolutely. Thanks for having me on and thanks for, you know, always getting the truth out there and following the truth wherever it is because we need more people that are willing to do that and that aren't selling out to the highest bidder, which is what a lot of people do.
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