Blood Money Episode 35 with Sheriff Richard Mack "Courage in the age of Cowardice"
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So, let's get started.
Having the courage to stand up in an era of cowardice.
Alright, we're on the next episode of Blood Money.
Today I have a very special guest, Sheriff Mack.
How are you doing, Sheriff Mack?
I'm doing really well.
I don't think I've ever been on a show with a similar name as Blood Money.
Blood Money, yeah.
It's kind of like a metaphor for corruption, bad deeds, conspiracies, and we try to dive into it.
Well, that's all the IRS deals in, so that's another topic for me.
Well, I have said this, I think the IRS is the most criminal mafia organization to exist in our country, and I believe that, seriously, totally serious, the greatest enemy to our God-given constitutional American republic is our own federal government.
Brave and I agree.
Yeah. I just call them as I seize them.
Let's dive into that.
I mean, so, okay, the IRS is definitely...
A lot of us believe the whole IRS is unconstitutional.
I mean, they're basically collecting...
Isn't that money that they're basically collecting just to kind of pay interest and stuff?
Or it goes overseas?
How does that whole thing work?
First of all, the IRS has no...
Constitutional authorization to exist.
And they are merely a collection agency for the Federal Reserve.
And the Federal Reserve was formed with the IRS and the 16th Amendment, all established in 1913.
What did we do for money before then?
Were we broke?
We couldn't do anything?
And that's just a logistical thing.
The IRS is so completely unconstitutional that, first of all, random audits are against the law in America.
We established a Bill of Rights where you and I, everyone in America, was born with the right to privacy.
And unless we're committing a crime, the government has to leave us alone.
Instead, they own our bank accounts.
They provide no financial privacy to any of us.
They trace us, they track us, they monitor us, and they wiretap us.
And all in the name of protecting government's interests in our money.
And that's another fundamental principle of government.
And another fundamental principle of rights that you and I own, and it's this one, the one that God gave us when we were born.
And it's this, that you and I and every American possesses the power and right and authority to enjoy and control the fruit of our labor.
My labor and the fruit thereof does not belong to government and it certainly does not belong to my neighbors.
And the only way it can belong to my government is if it could belong to my neighbors.
And it doesn't.
And it's fundamentally flawed and absolutely absurd, ridiculous, and anti-American.
It reeks with injustice and it's time to stop this injustice.
You mentioned Wilson's Federal Reserve.
Didn't he write letters about how he regretted allowing that to happen?
Only Congress can establish the value of our money.
Right now, They have turned that over way back when.
They turned it over to international bankers that own and control the Federal Reserve.
Completely anti-American, every bit of that, and anti-Constitution.
Yeah, yeah. You know, one of the things I noticed is your organization, the organization you started, is called the Constitutional Sheriffs.
And Peace Officers Association.
I find that really interesting because you didn't use the word police officer.
Why did you use the word peace officer?
Because we really want to focus on officers that their assignment is to keep the peace.
Just to police us.
With that kind of mentality, you get what we're getting today.
That they're supposed to police us all the time.
Well, how about traffic tickets?
When I was first a rookie cop, I spent about two and a half years writing all these tickets.
And finally, it really hit me one day when I'm writing a lady a ticket.
That this was wrong, immoral, and counterproductive to what we were trying to achieve in the community.
I would say of the thousands of tickets that I wrote in the first two and a half years of being a cop, that maybe 1%, 2%, maybe that much, had anything to do with a public safety concern or issue.
It never had anything to do with public safety.
Somebody did something that threatened someone else That hardly ever happened.
I'm just sitting there pulling a gun and riding anybody who's speeding.
I'm sitting at a four-way stop and riding anybody who rolls through the stop sign.
And it made no difference if I was there or not.
However, it made a big difference to the city council and the city government leaders because they love the money.
And so really all our police have allowed themselves to become Our tax collectors and revenue agents.
What I want is peace officers who walk the schools, who check businesses, who are We're sitting at intersections with high rates of traffic accidents and that we find the place with the most deadly accidents and we try to change that and really make a difference where we're saving lives and protecting property and at the same time creating some public relations with the citizens who pay our salaries That
really means something and means something to them.
Instead of just treating people like chattel and like they're just another number for my career and that they're just another way to bring in money for the city.
I am so totally against that.
And this needs to be a paradigm shift that we start teaching in the police academies nationwide.
How's that going? I mean, I know you guys are out there on the ground.
I've seen you guys at so many different conferences.
How is that going in terms of...
Because what it sounds like you're talking about is just constitutional values.
Some people would say before the U.S. Corp started being more influential than our simple U.S. government community services.
It started to become a business as opposed to We're just trying to take care of the public here, right?
So, I mean, how does that go in terms of educating all these people that have been part of the system now, growing up in the system, that is a little bit more predatory and starting to think about how things should have been?
Well, all we want is for officers to be fair and honest with anybody and everybody they come in contact with and treat people with respect.
And that's the best public relations you could have out there.
Again, these people pay our salaries.
This comes directly from local taxes and state taxes.
And so every officer needs to be trained.
And this is another thing. When I woke up writing that lady that ticket that day, and I didn't give it to her.
I walked away with it. And I started examining.
I wanted to know why we have police and what is our role in our constitutional republic.
Well, I found out. And it all starts.
And this really was a huge slap in the face to me personally.
It all starts with the oath of office.
We are required by law to take.
Do you know that every peace officer, sheriff, and public official, even most dog catchers and some, a lot of teachers, have to swear an oath of allegiance to the United States Constitution and the Constitution wherein they reside, at which state.
And do you know how many people That take that oath have actually read the Constitution?
How do you swear an oath to something that you are completely ignorant of?
And how do we protect the rights of the people when we don't even know what their rights are?
Well, they're detailed in the Bill of Rights, and they're detailed in the Declaration of Independence, yet we don't know anything about that, and yet we're going to still be worthy peace officers in the community and worthy servants Whatever happened to protect and serve?
Can any peace officer in this country explain what that means?
Who are you serving?
And what are you protecting?
And they can't tell you.
Because it all boils down to whether or not you will keep your oath to uphold a defense constitution and obey that constitution.
So let's go back to the IRS analogy.
If the IRS is coming into your town and they're committing injustices and they're victimizing law-abiding citizens in your county, you're going to just sit there and let them do it, sheriff, chief of police.
You're going to let them do whatever they want to your citizens in your community and not do a thing about it.
But then you're going to tell me that you're protecting and serving the people.
How could you possibly...
I think that when you're allowing such criminality to take place and such abuse of the American people, Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, the idea of a constitutional sheriff, the viewer needs to understand really what that means, right?
Because the sheriff has really some broad powers.
I mean, can't you guys arrest government officials, arrest judges?
I mean, can you talk about the powers of what a constitutional sheriff?
I don't like to use the term arrest.
We can and some have.
And I've worked with judges.
I've never arrested one the 20 years I was in law enforcement, but the eight years that I was sheriff, I would go and tell the judge, we're not serving that subpoena.
We're not serving that summons.
We're not serving that subpoena.
And I say, this is my problem.
I wasn't being mean about it or just telling him he was a jerk and had to do what I said.
But the law enforcement community does not work for the judge.
And they like to think that they do.
And you'll even hear cops say that.
Oh, I don't make the laws.
I just enforce them.
And I have to do whatever the judge tells me.
I have to do whatever the legislature tells me.
We don't work for the legislative branch.
We don't work for the judicial branch.
We work for the executive branch.
And each branch is a check and balance on the other.
Exactly. And so, yes, I'd go and tell the judge, I'd explain it to him, and he would get it.
He would go, oh, yeah, huh.
I returned a report to a judge once and told him that this was bogus.
And he goes, oh, wow, I wish I would have thought of that before.
He said, why didn't you tell me that before?
I said, I didn't realize it until I went to serve it, and I realized it was wrong.
He revoked it.
So it was unconstitutional, that order?
So hence you felt that...
Either that or improper.
But yeah, but this is the thing.
It's okay to know that you're all there to achieve the protection of God-given rights and protection of constitutional rights as detailed in the Bill of Rights.
We are assigned to protect those rights.
Whatever happened to civil rights in America?
The left doesn't care about the mission of Martin Luther King.
They don't care about civil rights anymore.
And we're here to protect those rights.
And no peace officer is ever trained in that.
And I believe that a lot of these problems would be solved if we just focused on that for a while.
Yeah, and I mean, I hate to, you know, hark upon the topic of judges.
I was just actually having to be in court this morning trying to help a friend out by testifying for him.
And the Constitution was brought up with actual, you know, paraphrases of the Constitution.
The judge literally ignored the constitutional argument completely.
That's why we need it.
You or your friend, or if he's representing himself, doesn't have an attorney, or the attorney, but your friend needs to say, Your Honor, before this trial or this hearing begins, can I ask one question, a clarification, a point of order?
And the judge should say yes, and he said, Do my constitutional rights, all of them, do all of my constitutional rights apply in this courtroom?
And if he hum-haws and says, if he says, no, they don't, then you have a mistrial and you have a reason to appeal.
And you can put the judge on notice right then.
If he says, yes, they do, then you're completely free to bring those up.
Wow, that's brilliant.
That's brilliant. But get it at the beginning.
Yeah. Yeah.
And if he says no, they don't, or tries to say, no, we're just, we're not here about constitutional rights.
We're just here to the evidence.
And he says, and then you should ask him, when you took this job, did you take an oath of office swearing to the Constitution?
And again, you're just asking and let him say it from there.
Wow. And then you have transcripts and you're beautiful.
That's brilliant. So let's talk a little bit about, I mean, you've been a fighter, obviously, like just listening to you talk.
I just got to say, I really wish more people thought like you.
I mean, I go through in blood money and in the work that we do, we are always dealing with a topic of corruption.
We're always in court in some form or another because we're either helping people or we're actually hearing about what's been happening.
And I gotta tell you, it's a mess out there.
I mean, top to bottom, it's like we live in another country.
It's not the United States anymore.
The banana republic of America.
Yeah, I mean, you know...
I guess the reason I brought up this idea of the sheriff's powers and holding people accountable, I mean, shouldn't these sheriffs be taught that, hey, if a judge is consistently violating the Constitution, it is in your power to actually do something about it.
You're pretty much the last house on the block.
I didn't finish that answer for you to your question.
I don't like to say the word arrest.
I do like to say investigate.
And we will investigate anybody that violates your rights.
And if that means judge, you know, if you go to a trial and you say, this judge completely violated my rights.
And I had that happen on a federal agent with the Bureau of Land Management in Arizona.
And Bureau of Land Management is big in Arizona because we have so much wide open land.
And they think they own it.
The federal government thinks they own it.
But anyway, we got a complaint that there was a fraudulent deal from a Bureau of Land Management.
I turned it over to my lead investigator and had him investigate it just like any other criminal complaint.
I don't care if it's a judge, if they want us to turn it over to some other agency, I don't see why.
This judge works for Graham County, just like I do.
This judge made a mistake, and this judge is ignoring freedom and rights of people, yet he swore an oath.
At the very least, the judge has violated his oath, which is perjury.
And that needs to be made public.
He needs to answer to the law, just like anyone else.
And if he's violating his oath, Let's do an investigation on it.
I don't care who it is. It could be the city mayor, city council, county commissioners, even the county attorney.
If it's a county attorney, I don't know if I'd turn her over to the AG. But if the AG doesn't do it, I'm going to do it.
And the sheriff is absolutely to protect his citizens.
What does his oath say?
From all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
Foreign and domestic, yep. Yeah, and so why would I say, well, we're too busy going after drug dealers and all these speeders, and we're going after all these criminals and these family fights.
Oh, you want me to protect you from a federal agent who's taking your property and destroying your livelihood in your home?
Oh, I can't do that.
I don't have the authority to do that.
B.S. Mr.
Sheriff. You absolutely had the authority, and more importantly, you had the responsibility.
You have a bird's eye view of everything.
Like we just said, it's a bit of a shit show right now.
It's a banana republic. If you had the power to fix this mess that we're in, what are the steps that you would take?
Well, first, we've got to get the sheriffs trained for that to happen.
And we would love to train all peace officers and city police and chiefs of police.
We would love them all to get on board because all of them have been inculcated in the impropriety of political correctness.
But sheriffs don't have to ask permission of anybody.
The chief of police has to ask permission from the city council to attend our seminars.
But we've had some attend.
But they're usually on the staunch Republican side.
But I don't care about parties.
And the biggest problems we have in this country are coming from both parties.
So let's be real about that, quite honestly.
But if we can get the sheriff's train to understand Their oath of office and be trained to understand the 27, 28 principles of liberty that are detailed within the Bill of Rights and the philosophy behind the Declaration of Independence.
We can get their butts in the chairs if they will attend.
Then it will change the way they view their job and their careers and what they're supposed to actually be doing.
We have had tremendous success, most recently, with sheriffs from Texas who have been searching for an answer, and they came to us for the answer when it comes to their border chaos and some of the other issues there.
How can we fight?
How can we stand up to the federal government?
How can we try to secure the border when the feds won't do it?
And it doesn't matter where the federal agent...
And let me preface this with a story.
When I was still sheriff back in 1994, I launched a major lawsuit against the federal government.
A few months later, in the fall of 94, maybe could have been even the spring of 95, we had a bridge washout.
And that's in the...
Northeast part of the county.
And this bridge is used by farmers and ranchers out in that area, and they use it to take their kids to school.
Without that bridge, they have a 26-mile commute.
With the bridge, they have like two or three miles.
And so the bridge walks down, and the Army Corps of Engineers...
The EPA come in and said that we couldn't touch the bridge, that they would have to do an environmental analysis, impact analysis as to how we fix the bridge and how they'd let us fix the bridge.
Well, I'm not involved in fixing bridges.
The sheriff isn't in charge of fixing bridges.
But finally, after nine or ten months of not fixing the bridge, the federal government getting in the way of what we needed to do, The Board of Supervisors, County Commissioners, voted unanimously to fix the bridge.
Well, the EPA and Army Corps of Engineers threatened to arrest them.
I'm not kidding you.
Threatened to arrest the County Commissioners and threatened to arrest the maintenance workers at the scene and threatened to charge us $50,000 a day So I put an end to this.
I called the EPA and Army Corps of Engineers, and I was nice, but I explained to them that they had no authority to arrest anybody in my county, and if they tried, I was going to arrest them for a person meeting an officer.
And guess what?
They were really nice about it.
They didn't tell me what they were going to do.
They didn't tell me, yes, no, we're going to do what you say.
The next day they left town.
They never came back.
We fixed the bridge.
We didn't pay a dime in fines.
Nobody went to jail and everything was taken care of.
That is awesome. You're obviously a fighter.
I mean, let's talk a little bit about- There's been other sheriffs that have done that.
There's been other sheriffs. I'm not the only one.
I mean, good for them.
Good for them. Just looking at this whole quote-unquote pandemic, there's a lot of us out here that were hoping that these sheriffs would arrest these unconstitutional governors rather than being unconstitutional sheriffs.
A lot of that happened, but it happened in a different way.
Remember. It's not necessarily a rest, but it's to stand up to, stand in the way, interposition, interpose, get in the way.
We've had, there was five, six, 700 sheriffs across the country that did that.
Oh, really? So you're saying that they started getting investigations ready.
The minute you're investigating somebody, all of a sudden they're like, hey, maybe not lockdowns, you know?
Well, this is what they did first.
Sheriffs announced in California, in Arizona, in Florida, in New York.
I mean, it was crazy how far this was going.
Mississippi, Ohio.
I mean, anyway, it was about 30, 35 states.
They told the governors, they told county commissioners, they told county attorneys, others, we are not going to enforce these mandates.
We are not going to shut people down.
Sheriff Mark Lamb in Pinal County, Arizona told the governor.
I like the governor.
He's a pretty good Republican.
I'm a Republican. But we are not shutting anybody down.
We are not closing schools.
Some of the schools closed on their own.
He told them they didn't have to.
But he stood up to him and he said, churches, you don't have to close.
If you want to, it's up to you.
And he said, we'll go to businesses and make sure they're being safe.
We'll go through bars and restaurants, but we're not shutting anybody down.
And these sheriffs across the country warned their governors that we're not going to allow this to be enforced.
Well, Governor Newsom got mad at those sheriffs.
You know, New York governor got mad at some of those sheriffs.
There's not a damn thing they could do about it, and they knew it.
Yeah, yep, yep.
And right now, talking about the Second Amendment, I don't know if you've heard, but Governor Pritzker in Illinois is telling law enforcement they have to enforce the new gun control laws there.
As if any of the gun control laws have been working in California or Illinois.
And so the sheriffs now, there's 90 sheriffs now out of 102 that have told the governor and the state legislature, we're not doing it.
And don't pretend that you're going to come in here and do it without my permission.
Wow. It's working.
So on March 4th, CSPOA is going there and having a rally and a training seminar to support these good sheriffs.
Awesome. Which town is that in?
We're having it in Springfield, but it's for...
I don't know how many sheriffs are going to show up.
I hope they have the courage. If they had the courage to stand up and be counted against the governor, I hope they have the courage to come to our training because this is my guarantee.
I guarantee each one of them that we have positive proof that what they're doing is lawful and correct.
And we'll be happy to show it to them.
We have documentation that what they're doing is absolutely their job and their duty.
What's the legislation say exactly?
It's outlawing assault rifles and also outlawing certain high-capacity magazines.
So ridiculous. So, you know, I've been there, you know, it's funny because I used to be a music video director.
I've actually hung out in some neighborhoods in Illinois that I was only in because we were filming and they were quite dangerous neighborhoods.
And I don't think anything's going to change in those neighborhoods.
And those assault rifles, I mean, it's not like...
The people at home that are, you know, kind of peaceful gun owners are ever using it.
It's the epitome of insanity from Einstein's definition.
Doing more of the same thinking that it's going to make a difference.
Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about Mac versus the United States.
I mean, that's just the coolest sounding thing in the world where it's like one guy versus the United States.
Tell us, you know, what was that all about?
Well, luckily, you know, I was the one that started and you need to understand the historical perspective of this.
It is the only time in our nation's history where a few sheriffs or any sheriff, a sheriff, sued the federal government, took it all the way to the United States Supreme Court and won.
I beat the Clinton administration.
I sued the Clintons and lived to tell about it.
And so here we are for the, also another first, first time in history that Congress passes a bill, an act, it's not a law because it was unconstitutional, but that they pass an act that requires the sheriff to enforce federal law, federal statutes, federal policies.
Federal mandate. You might as well call it a mandate because it had no law in it because it violated the Second Amendment.
Also violated the 10th.
We sued on the 10th Amendment.
We didn't sue on the 2nd. But we were forced under a threat of arrest.
If we failed to comply, they said they would arrest us.
Arrest the sheriffs for not going along with an unconstitutional mandate.
This is part of the absolute insanity of the corruption in Washington, D.C. So I was the first sheriff in America to stand up and say, no, I'm not going to do it.
And to make sure you understand what I'm saying is I'm going to sue you.
And I did. And then six other sheriffs joined me in that lawsuit all across the nation.
And believe this or not, Only one from Texas, out of the 254 sheriffs in Texas, only one, Sheriff Coug in Valverde County.
But anyway, in no state was there more than one sheriff.
And so I don't know why these other sheriffs were so timid about this, but anyway, we did it.
And then Sheriff Prince was the second one to join me, and he was from Montana.
He and I ended up at the U.S. Supreme Court together in December of 1996.
And in June 27, 1997, Justice Scalia wrote the decision.
And I'm telling you and every one of your listeners here, it is the most powerful 10th Amendment decision, state sovereignty, local autonomy decision in the history of America.
And folks, let me tell you, you want to get a copy of that decision.
And it's on my website at cspwa.org.
Look at the The decision for state sovereignty, the Supreme Court decision, it's a little pocket-sized book.
You can get them for like three bucks each.
You can get multiple for, you know, several for $10.
I don't make much money off of that.
I make 50 cents a booklet or something.
I don't make very much.
I have other books that I actually make some money off of.
This book, there's no profit in it, but it's the most important book you can get beside your pocket constitution.
You need to be familiar with that.
I'll make you a quote on that.
Hence, a double security arises to the rights of the people.
Why? Because, quote, the different governments will control each other.
Mm-hmm. And you see, it's our job to control the other branches or any other government.
When they get out of hand, it's our job to set them straight.
And that's Scalia quoting Federalist Paper 51.
Wow. That's how fundamental this is.
Wow. You've seen a lot of presidents come and go, you've seen a lot of administrations, which, you know, there's definitely been a march towards deprivation of our rights, a march towards more tyrannical behavior by our government.
I mean, who, if you were to kind of create a top five list of the most tyrannically minded and or overreaching administrations, who would they be?
Nixon?
Obama?
Obama and Biden.
The difference between Obama and Biden is Biden is mad and threatening.
Obama was just always talking so nice and boy, he was a smooth talking devil while he stabbed everybody in the back and stole your rights right and left.
But he never got riled and he stuck to his message.
So he was a very Articulate tyrant and communist.
But nevertheless, his policies weren't really too much different than George Bush Jr.
And so I would add probably both Georges to that list as well.
Really? Nixon's a top?
Or were you starting from... No, I would call Obama the worst one.
Really? Even worse than Biden.
But Biden right now, first of all, you can't blame Biden too much because he's not mentally competent.
And so it's hard to go really after him.
But his administration, really bad.
And he's a puppet.
But his administration is absolutely horrible.
And the end result, I need to give a little bit of a shout out to Obama on this.
The end results are worse under Biden than they were Obama.
So I might have to make Biden the worst one.
And I will say the worst liar, if we had to say, who's the worst liar in America?
First of all, I have to say it's Jill Biden.
She's lying to the American public and always has been that her husband is up to this job.
She pulled him away from reporters to not answer.
I don't know if she was the one that pulled the plug on some of his network interviews and all of a sudden the screen goes blank on your TV. But the people handling him, the puppeteers, I think she's one of them.
And she's an absolute liar trying to pretend that he's capable of doing this job.
He's not.
Everyone knows that he's not.
And he's a total embarrassment.
But she's the one.
I think helping a lot of these strings and making sure that his public persona is lied about and personified in a different way.
And so I really think she's probably the biggest liar.
Billy Bob Clinton.
His wife would have been the worst one if she had been elected, I think.
But he was just out to have fun.
I mean, you know, and so I really can't blame him for too much.
Fiscally, he wasn't too bad, and his policies were off.
But I wouldn't put him in the top horrible five.
You wouldn't? No.
No, okay. As far as being a tyrant, he tried to stay in the middle.
It's just that He couldn't keep his zipper up and that got in his way most of the time.
But he was lousy.
I mean, he's a lousy individual.
He's a horrible individual. In fact, he is another one that should be investigated.
And why they've never investigated him for child rape is absolutely amazing to me.
You're talking about Epstein? Yeah, he was documentation.
He was with Epstein at the sex ranch in New Mexico 26 times.
What do you think he was doing there?
And so, again, an investigation should be conducted there.
But he and Hillary, boy, they always land on their feet.
No matter how hard they're falling, they always land on their feet.
And the FBI is so corrupt, should be abolished, because they're just political hitmen for Whoever's in power.
And that's just the IRS. I'm curious about Nixon.
Because we kind of lived through Obama and Biden.
Unfortunately, we're living through the nightmare as we speak.
What was it about Nixon that was going to march towards Trump?
First of all, he was extremely egotistical and insecure at the same time.
His interview was, what I'm saying is if the President of the United States commits a crime, it's not a crime.
And he said stuff like that.
But he used law enforcement agencies within the federal government to go after each other to protect him from being arrested or found out in the Watergate cover-up.
And so Watergate, I do blame it 100% on him.
I've talked to people who actually worked on that case.
And Nixon was all about what most presidents are about is protecting himself, And doing whatever he could to the people.
Johnson and Nixon lied about the Vietnam War and were willing, especially Johnson, willing to kill 68,000 American youth for their political war and just to decide their political embarrassments.
Neither Nixon or Johnson cared how many died in that war.
And that's the same with today.
I mean, In all these ridiculous wars that these presidents get us involved in, they don't care who dies, they just care about the politics behind it.
Yeah, yeah. We do a lot of interviews.
It just seems like we have multiple industrial complexes, and they're all bad.
They're all like, the medical and social complex wants to kill us all, it seems like, you know?
Everybody just wants to kill us all.
I don't get it, like, you know?
Yeah, and none of this, they should be, the sheriff should be working on investigations.
Yeah. In that regard.
Because I'll tell you right now, the evidence is clear that the CDC and at least one or two presidents lied about this vaccination.
And it wasn't a vax.
It doesn't even qualify as a vax.
And the people that are dropping dead all over the world and in our country, it just happened to a pilot right after he landed.
He had a seizure.
And he totally believes it was from the vaccination.
But they've made the airways of America dangerous and our roads more dangerous.
And this is really because of a huge scam and huge corruption behind this vax.
And they're still pushing the narrative.
And Biden just announced that he's going to pull back all the emergencies on the so-called pandemic that they created, and he's going to stop, rescind all those on May 11th.
What kind of insanity is that?
I'm going to tell you what the future is going to be, because I'm so clairvoyant, and I'm going to stop it on May 11th.
Why? If you're going to stop it, stop it now.
And why are you picking May 11th?
Something special about May 11th?
This is such insanity.
Yeah. I mean, it's like dictator-like behavior.
I mean, who the hell is he to dictate that in the first place?
Anyway, but, you know, you've been...
It's just amazing, Sheriff Mac, because, like, your life and history, like, the fact that you're working with AFLDS right now, which is...
It must have been a really tough choice because of the controversy, the mainstream media, and it just seems like you've been at the forefront of a lot of causes throughout your life, and you're not scared to take chances.
You're not scared to go out there against mainstream media opinion, popular opinion, government opinion, and really stand up for what's right.
Yeah, and AFLDS, Dr.
Gold asked me to be on the board.
She handpicked me to be on the board.
And then she caused some really big controversy.
And the three of us that she handpicked, she told us to fire the chairman.
And two of us were supposed to fire Joey Gilbert.
And I said, well, we'll investigate your claims.
And she literally told me in an email, and I have the email, she literally told us, you do not need to investigate What I tell you is what I tell you.
You do what I tell you and you can trust what I say.
If I tell you that he needs to be fired, then you should fire him.
And I refused to do that.
And then she got to where she went after me also.
And, you know, my wife and I were talking about, maybe I should just quit.
I don't need this headache.
But I wasn't going to do that until we get this all resolved.
And so we went, we had a hearing last week.
And... In this, I want to read one thing.
So it was the board against Dr.
Gold. And let me see.
Here it is. Okay, so the judge in the case said that her assertion, the notion, I need to take my glasses off, The notion that Dr.
Gold's resignation was conditional on her receiving $1.5 million for wellness clinics is absurd.
As noted above, the notion that donated funds could be provided to Gold to invest in her own profit business is ridiculous.
So in one paragraph, he uses absurd and ridiculous for her position on this whole thing.
And literally, she said she was going to resign, but she said we didn't pay her the 1.5 million, what, demand, extortion, bribery, whatever, what?
Of donors' money to her personally, because we didn't do that, then her resignation was invalid and she's still in charge of the board of directors.
Well, the doctor said that's a farce.
Then on the last page, the judge states simply, since Gold is not on the board, and so he declared that, that she's not on the board.
The board, the current board, can make any decision it feels is appropriate with respect to Gold's ongoing, quote, employment and status and status with the company.
It's up to the three of us to decide what she can and cannot do with the company.
And then he warned at the bottom...
If Gold purports to be a director, this is in a footnote, if Gold directs to be a director in the future and causes injury to the company, the court will consider issuing an injunction preventing her from purporting to act as a director.
She's only gone on several programs and said that she won and she's been completely vindicated by what the judge said here.
Mm-hmm. Did you see the vindication?
She's ridiculous. And if she tries to be a director more, he's going to file an injunction against her.
We've already issued a request for that injunction.
Wow, wow. I was kind of chuckling a little bit while you were saying this whole story.
And the reason I was chuckling is because we just spent this whole episode talking about, like, Mac versus this person, United States.
I mean, you're fighting these big fights.
And then I heard she wrote you an email basically saying, like, back down or I'm going to ruin your life.
She did. Yeah, she did.
I mean, just on pure observation alone, like, you're not the dude that, like, she should be writing that kind of an email.
Because, I mean, you take on fights.
You're not scared to back down.
Well, it's funny, but she actually, on a show last night, or the night before, she told all her followers and supporters to do some mob calls and emails to Joey Gilbert and to Pastor Juergen, two other members of the board, and she didn't do it to me.
She left me off.
And so I don't know why.
But Pastor Juergen had already received 162 calls from people telling him how he should treat Dr.
Gold better. How did he feel about that?
Well, first of all, it could be breaking the law criminally.
It's like it's doxing.
It's like a doxing exercise.
She's just creating more problems civilly for herself.
So we hope the judge will put an end to it.
Wow, wow, wow.
This was amazing, Sheriff Mack.
Was there anything that we didn't talk about that you'd want to mention or...?
Well, my favorite quote from the Supreme Court decision is this, but the Constitution, again, this is Scalia's decision, but the Constitution protects us from our own best intentions.
You see, what does that do to COVID-19?
It means you don't get to violate the Constitution or civil rights in order to find solutions And answers for, quote, emergencies.
And then he talks about, Scalia talks about the crisis of the day.
Violating the Constitution and manipulating all that for the crisis of the day.
Because if you do that, there's always going to be a crisis of the day.
And government will create one if they have to.
I love the best intentions part.
Because... Even some of these folks that are running around yelling at people that aren't putting on their masks, it's all, in their mind, best intentions.
We might look at them and say they're batshit crazy, but they are, in their mind, their best intentions.
You don't get to run my life just because you have some good intentions.
Exactly. This is awesome, Sheriff Mac.
Thank you so much for coming down to the Blood Money Podcast.
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And again, Sheriff Mac, thank you so much and thank you for being part of this fight as long as you've been.