Benny Johnson and Ken Cuccinelli dissect the Southern Poverty Law Center's indictment for $3 million in fraud involving neo-Nazi informants, noting its asset surge post-Trump. They analyze a Virginia circuit court ruling declaring Democrat-led redistricting illegal due to gerrymandering and foreign influence, which allegedly disenfranchised 49% of voters. Cuccinelli predicts a unanimous Supreme Court of Virginia rejection, framing the 2020 election as rigged by criminal aliens and hate groups, ultimately suggesting systemic corruption undermines democratic integrity. [Automatically generated summary]
Big hit against the SPLC this week, indicted on 11 different counts, mainly for giving more than $3 million to informants, some of those informants who were active members of neo Nazi groups or the far right KKK at the same time.
This, according to some analysts, is going to give a lot of donors real pause before contributing again.
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If the government brings an action against the charity, it is poison for that organization.
It makes it hard for that organization to continue on.
And do the work that it wants to do.
It's a very strange situation to have the charity indicted, but no individual is indicted at the same time.
The details of that indictment six counts of wire fraud, four counts of bank fraud, and one count of money laundering.
The money was moved from fake bank accounts to the informants, one of whom got $270,000 and was actually one of the people who helped organize the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017 that left one person dead.
The Department of Justice is even going a step further, saying this organization actually helped to incite racial hatred in order to boost its own profit.
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The SPLC was not dismantling these groups.
It was instead manufacturing the extremism it purports to oppose by paying sources to stoke racial hatred.
Hehehehehe We're going to have to put that one up on social media.
We're going to have to get that one up on social.
Thank you, Jerry.
Needed the laugh.
Been rolling and traveling once again today.
We have a brand new studio here that we are just getting, buckling sort of the screws on, nuts and bolts.
And so forgive us, ladies and gentlemen, today as we sort of do a bit of a truncated show, as we build out and expand and advance as our movement marches forward.
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We are going to talk about the Virginia Supreme Court decision.
Not the Supreme Court decision, a district court decision to strike down the rigged election in Virginia.
We're going to talk about how that entire process is unconstitutional with the former attorney general of Virginia.
His name is Ken Cuccinelli.
He'll be joining the show.
He's been fighting this in court.
We're going to talk about Why it is absolutely critical, everything that we have been working on in this program in order to expose the great replacement theory, in order to expose what Democrats have in mind for you and why Republicans have to fight back and why this is a civilizational battle.
Trump calls 2020 presidential election to be permanently wiped from the books if Southern Poverty Law Center convicted of fraud.
They most likely will be convicted of fraud.
Go read the indictment.
Southern Poverty Law Center was paying for the very hate that they claimed to be fighting.
It's not going to work out well for them.
We were on Fox News last night going scorched earth against some of the corporations that funded the show.
Southern Probably Law Center was like Jesse Smollett with corporate sponsors.
This is what it was.
And it's critical that we push the Trump administration to strip their tax exempt status.
This is how you actually eliminate them being able to get any donations, them being able to fund their hate and their psyops against us and our movement.
Charlie Kirk was placed on their hate map, and four months later, he was gunned down.
Don't tell me there's not a connection.
Don't tell me there's not culpability.
So, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Friday.
We all made it.
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Okay, so we haven't gotten a chance because we were in Texas and we were doing an interview with Tom Homan.
We made quite a bit of news, actually.
Very interesting.
A lot of these clips have gone quite viral.
ALX, I don't know if we want to do a little bit of a rundown, but I do want to sort of off the top talk through what is happening in the country and why it is critical for us to fight back.
Virginia didn't vote necessarily for a referendum, they didn't vote in the way that you would assume that a state.
Would be able to pass a referendum and then rig their electoral votes.
You can see right here, ladies and gentlemen, Virginia is very much, by every definition, a purple state.
And ALX, I need the directionality arrows map.
If you got that, please send.
Virginia is a state that is purple at best, just had a Republican governor, a very popular Republican governor.
And as you can see here, the vast majority of the state voted against the nomadic.
And then, Alex, we have the breakdown of the mail in ballots.
Look at this.
This is the state and the directionality of the margins, right?
So the orange arrow is voting against redistricting, and the blue arrows are voting in favor of rigging the state's constitutionally drawn districts, which, by the way, are pretty fair.
I mean, to be honest.
Here's what Virginia's electoral map looked like.
I think that you could argue this is a relatively fair map.
No goofy looking squiggly lines.
Here is what it looked like after.
This is what Democrats claim, one, right?
As you can see up here.
What the hell is this exactly?
What is this?
What's happening right there?
This looks like Joe Biden got a hold of Hunter Biden's crack cocaine stash and then used his auto pen to draw districts himself.
While in the back of a very, very bumpy ride in an unmarked van.
This is, of course, hideous.
When you ever see lines like this, this is exactly what Illinois looks like.
It's precise what it means they are rigging the game.
And what they're rigging the game with is this area of Alexandria.
These are all the people that were fired by Doge, and they're pissed.
And they've taken this tight little concentrated area of Democrat votes, they've expanded it throughout the state.
And it's something that they've not just done in Virginia, they've done all throughout the East Coast.
They've just now extended it to Virginia.
Look at this.
These are the percentages of Republicans in each New England state.
In case you're wondering if this is, you know, why is it?
Why are Republicans so upset about Virginia?
Well, because it's just one in a very long series of gerrymandering thefts of House seats in every single state.
This is why Indiana is so cut.
Redistrict out two Democrat seats.
A ruby red, bright red state like Indiana gives Democrats two seats in the House of Representatives.
Look at New England.
Here you have 27 different congressional seats, zero Republicans.
Even though 40% of New England is Republicans, zero Republicans.
ALX lives right there.
ALX could run for Congress, but he'd be screwed because of the state of Massachusetts, because of all of the gerrymandering that happens in New England.
New England has now just extended this straight into Virginia.
They claim they're for fair elections.
This is what fairness looks like.
And by the way, the margins here, I just still can't get over it.
Kamala won by four points.
This redistricting won by one point, with the vast majority of the state voting against it.
And now the new congressional seats will be 90% Democrats and 9% Republicans.
The data breakdown.
Is pretty odd.
Yeah, this is exactly right.
Here's this is what this is what Indiana looks like.
Look at this.
Indiana Republicans, cucked Indiana Republicans, couldn't even do this.
This is why we lose.
This is why we lose.
Alex, get me the map of all the criminal, get me the map of all the criminal aliens moving to America.
That map that went so viral yesterday.
It's important to understand how did this happen?
And why we have to fight back with so much force.
Because what's happening here, as you can see, and this is the most damning map, I would argue, is that 51% of those in Virginia are voting to strip away the rights of 49%.
That's how you get civil wars.
This is how you get the destruction of a body politic.
They're eliminating the civil rights of representation, fair representation, from 49%.
It's enraging.
It's immoral.
And it's happening because of mail in ballots and criminal invaders.
You want to know why Democrats want to do this to your country?
Every dot, by the way, represents 100,000 foreign invaders and where they are from.
You want to know why Democrats want to do this?
The reason why Democrats want open borders is because of the Virginia election.
The data in the Virginia election.
Is pretty obvious.
People who were white in Virginia, people who were rural in Virginia, from red counties in Virginia, people who were Native Americans, as we call them on this channel, in rural Virginia, or in just all of Virginia, right?
In the vast majority of Virginia that isn't urbanized, which is most of the state, they overwhelmingly voted against gerrymandering.
The only reason why this abomination won was because of mail in ballots.
Mail in ballots that are prima facie, unable to be tracked, unable to be validated, unable to be certified.
Nobody knows who is voting.
There are no systems to ensure that those votes are secure.
And any foreign invader, and there are many of them in Virginia, can just go pick one up and vote.
That's just a matter of fact.
We found that out time and time again.
We've covered this extensively on the channel.
Anybody who has hands can reach into a mailbox, grab the mail in ballot, and then deliver it and vote.
This has been caught on camera.
This has been adjudicated in court.
It really doesn't matter.
There are no systems to protect against it.
Once that ballot is removed and put through the processor, it doesn't matter who voted.
And we found out that foreign communists were voting in our election and states like Michigan.
We've of course seen that there are a bunch of people registered to a porta potty in California and they all get ballots.
That porta potty gets a stack of ballots dropped off and delivered to it.
I wonder what happens next.
What happens next is probably a van comes and picks them up and some criminal alien goes fills them out and then they all vote.
This is why Democrats do this to your nation.
They do this to your nation in order to rig elections.
It has nothing to do with the betterment of the people here, creating a more cohesive, Prosperous, cleaner future for your children.
It has everything to do with short term power to make sure that they can fundamentally destroy our nation, seize power, and take it away from you, is in the exact process that they used in Virginia.
Does this look like a democratic process to you?
If you looked at this map and you were to say, what arrow direction is democracy?
Well, you'd say orange, because that's the vast majority of the state wanted to vote against redistricting.
But those little blue areas, Now control the state.
Well, because of mail in ballots and foreign invaders.
The more foreign invaders that you can pack into your state, the census will count them.
You'll get new electoral votes.
And you'll also get, if you have unlimited mail in ballots, then every one of them will get a vote.
And that's just the way it is.
And that's how it broke down in Virginia.
Lucky for us, we have a president who has called this out and a court that is now declaring this.
Election illegal.
Let's go ahead and read the top line here.
I'm very excited to talk with Ken Cuccinelli about this.
Virginia court declares states' redistricting move was unconstitutional, illegal win for Republicans.
Republicans are cheering a circuit court victory in Virginia that showed Democrat redistricting efforts in Virginia not quite over yet, despite referendum to accept a new map drawn by Democrats getting approved by voters on Tuesday.
Not really by voters, but getting approved by illegal criminal aliens, the vast majority of which commit murder in Northern Virginia.
Uh, like something like 87 percent of the murders in Fairfax County, Virginia, is by illegal aliens.
This is what Tom Homan demonstrated when we were interviewing him.
Like, the purpose of them being here is to murder, rape, and torture the native populations of this country.
Democrats want that to happen, they want that problem to happen.
They want us to be scared.
They want your children to be killed, they want it.
They're actively engaging in the activities.
That facilitated in the rigging of your election.
Why?
Because a fearful population cries out for help.
They create the problem and they have the solution.
This is exactly what's going on with the SPLC, by the way.
Virginia court blocked Jack Hurley, a judge, ruled Wednesday, one day after the Democrat redistricting referendum passed, that all votes for or against the proposed redistricting amendment were unconstitutional, citing rules that imposed certain requirements that the referendum did not meet.
There are a handful of cases making their way through the Virginia court system challenging various aspects of the referendum, including one Hurley ruled on Wednesday.
The Taswell Circuit Court ruled the referendum unconstitutional.
The judge entered an injunction blocking the certification of the election and denied the motion to stay pending appeal.
The final order will be entered and drafted, and it will be immediately appealed.
A former Virginia Republican Ken Cucinelli, who's joining our show in just one second, stated shortly after the ruling came down, Virginia Attorney General Jay Jones, Democrat, who beat GOP incumbent, Who also wants to murder Republican children, remember, indicated his office would immediately file an appeal.
Cuccinelli, who heads the American Principles Project Election Transparency Initiative, indicated Wednesday that there are four constitutional challenges to the referendum making their way through the courts, three of which are the challenges to the amendment process itself.
Department of Elections earlier today and asked them if they had seen any evidence of election tampering, fraudulent mail ballots being cast in the Tuesday election, or if there was any evidence of non citizens voting in that election.
You know, you've been saying that for years, and now they're finding out that the 2020 election was totally rigged.
And when you look at what just, excuse me, how do you defend what just happened where your southern law, whatever it is, has given money to KKK?
They're supposed to protect people, and they're paying all these people, crooked as can be, millions of dollars, millions of dollars, going all to all these people that they're supposed to be protecting from, but they're actually supporting them.
because they want to have companies that they can protect and because they want to rig elections.
That was all a rigged election.
All of the things with Charlottesville, all of the stuff that they did.
And you won't bring that up, but you'll bring up some nonsense.
Let me tell you, the election we were winning all day long, it's a totally horrible situation.
Hopefully the courts will overturn it, what they did in Virginia.
You have a grossly incompetent governor.
You had a very good governor.
He did a good job.
You know, all those companies that want to move into Virginia now, they want to move out and go to a different location.
So that's my opinion.
I believe it was a rigged election.
Virginia's known for it.
It was a rigged election.
They had a lot of ballots, mail in ballots.
Anytime you have mail in ballots, you have cheating.
Ladies and gentlemen, President Trump also on Truth Social calling it a rigged election.
I just want to break a little bit of news because I've been working the phones this morning and talking with state, let's just call them very powerful state elected officials in the state of Florida.
This map, my screen, please.
This map is what is being proposed in the state of Florida.
And I have very strong confirmations from some of the top law enforcement and judicial experts in the state that Florida is going to go full bore, pedal to the metal, on redrawing the maps.
And they have good reason.
Unlike Virginia, which has lost population, Florida has actually gained 2 million.
Citizens, residents, over the last few years since the last map was drawn.
And so, by every conceivable measure, Florida has a right to redraw their maps given the explosive population growth.
They have a really good case in the court in order to do this.
They would have really good standing in order to do this.
And I've been told that a plus four or plus five map is absolutely on the table.
And that would completely, of course, eliminate what Virginia just did and the abomination.
Potentially measuring and balancing it out.
You're looking at a very bright looking map right here.
He and his fellow Democrats warning that the effort ongoing in Florida, you know, to gain seats by redistricting, well, he says that could backfire and maybe just maybe even create more seats for Democrats nationwide.
Now, as you know, House margins remain razor thin, but with just six months until the midterms, Republicans think they can pick up as many as three more seats in the sunshine state alone.
And while Jeffries is warning Florida leaders to quote, F around and find out, Florida's GOP governor offered this retort.
Meantime, the Supreme Court in the Commonwealth of Virginia is set to hear oral arguments on Monday on that state's recent referendum.
If successful, it would give Democrats four additional seats, going up from a six to five edge in Virginia to a 10 to one.
Margin.
And so it should come as no surprise, Trace, that other states are now said to be considering mid census redrawn congressional maps, which means we are nowhere near out of the woods, at least not yet.
So if the Supreme Court strikes down Article II of the Voter Rights Act, you're going to really see something happen in the South.
You could potentially get a net plus 12 seats for Republicans if they're able to get rid of gerrymandering based on skin color, which Is an actual thing that's happening right now because of fairness.
It's just like the SPLC.
They literally are creating the hate that they say they want to fight.
They're creating the racism that they say they want to fight.
Somebody who's been fighting and fought the good fight in the state of Virginia is Ken Cuccinelli.
He's the former attorney general.
He's the one battling this in court, and it is our honor to bring him on the program live right now.
Ken, welcome to the program.
Thank you so much for being here.
I'd love to get a status update on these court battles.
Some people are saying that they're unwinnable for Republicans.
You know the landscape, the legal landscape of Virginia, better than almost anyone right now.
Yeah, Benny, actually, the other side has the steep hill to climb here on the legal front.
They squeaked by outspending our side three or four to one on the referendum vote Tuesday.
I think they were counting on a 10 or 15 point win.
So that they could turn around and try to bully our Supreme Court.
And when there are numerous constitutional problems.
And when we say constitutional, we're talking about the state constitution.
The Supreme Court of Virginia, SCOVA, will decide this, not SCOTUS.
This isn't going to be a federal decision.
The Supreme Court of Virginia took briefing yesterday on two of the constitutional challenges.
They're hearing oral argument on Monday on those two.
And news literally just in the last few minutes.
The case from Southwest Virginia that was decided earlier this week, that the current attorney general said he was going to appeal.
The plaintiffs have asked the Supreme Court of Virginia to take that up, and they have agreed to skip the Court of Appeals, which is a packed court by Democrats, by the way.
But this was all ultimately going to be decided by the Supreme Court of Virginia anyway.
And so we'll see a briefing schedule for that second case.
Come sometime soon, but I'm not sure it's going to go quite as fast because all of the violations the Democrat General Assembly did here, they just trampled the state constitutional requirements for passing a constitutional amendment.
And then they expected to get passed and say, hey, come on, man, we won, let it stand.
No legal argument.
And the legal arguments they're making are such long stretches.
They've been made in other places in the country, they've never won.
These arguments have never prevailed anywhere in the country, and now they're going to try them in Virginia, and they're not going to have any better luck here.
I know people look at the makeup of courts.
I will say our court has been blissfully less political than, say, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Montana, but it does have four Republican appointees and three Democrat appointees right now.
The General Assembly does the appointing, and with this radical General Assembly, those Republicans, I'm sure, know they're not getting reappointed.
So I don't think that's a factor, and I think this will be decided straight up on the law.
And Benny, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 7 0 ruling against this referendum.
That's just how brazen the General Assembly was in trampling the constitutional requirement for amending the Constitution.
If I were a betting man, I'd bet with heavy odds that the referendum is nullified because of the violations of the Constitution.
I'll give you just one example.
Like most states, Virginia requires the General Assembly to pass the proposed amendment on both sides of a state election.
Well, as everybody in America knows, we had an election last year.
That's where Abigail Spanberger got elected governor.
The House of Delegates was also up.
The Democrats, last time they had full control, gave us 45 day elections.
So voting started last year on September 19th.
Well, the General Assembly didn't pass their proposed amendment until Halloween after over a million people had voted.
In the 2025 election.
And that's the election they want to treat as the intervening election required under our state constitution.
So, very brazen, equally brazen on the second passage.
Then, 90 days have to go by before you can submit to the voters.
That's the language of our constitution.
The proposed amendment.
Well, it was 90 days from second passage on January 16th to April 21st, but it was not 90 days till voting began on March 6th with their 45 day election.
A lot of people go to law school to avoid doing math, but even a lawyer can figure out that less than two months is less than 90 days.
And the judge in Southwest Virginia that ruled earlier this week and enjoined the certification of the referendum did it on that second basis.
So they have a lot of, there are many other legal arguments, and the other side has lost them all, every single one so far.
And they have to win them all.
To hold on to the referendum win.
Our side only needs to win one.
And the simple reason is it doesn't matter how many times you violate a constitution, Benny.
What matters is do you violate the constitution?
And they did it so many different ways that they now have to work their way out of the mess they created.
And I think, as I said at the beginning, I think they expected a big margin to be able to kind of lean on the court publicly.
They broke all the rules because they're so desperate.
And, you know, they literally, you may not remember, but there were news stories in October about the General Assembly waiting for Eric Holder's check to clear before they would go down this path.
They wanted to get whatever money for their elections last year.
Look, if you traced it all the way back, this was probably a quid pro quo for 2025 election money.
To do this, but the election was six weeks on by the time they did it, and they didn't care about the rules.
And now those rules are going to get enforced against them.
And my prediction oh, by the way, part of the reason for the timing, we usually have primaries in June.
As part of this whole effort, and of course, Abigail Spanberger participated in it lock, stock, and barrel, they moved the primaries to August.
But with their 45 day election, that still means voting starts in early July.
Well, it definitely does in part, first of all, because they trampled the constitutional timeline.
And so now they're on this speedy track with the court.
And they're under the gun.
I mean, these are very difficult positions to defend.
I mean, look, I'm a lawyer.
I can come up with some creative way to argue for anything, right?
But if you put me in a tenuous position on issue one, and then issue two, and then issue three, you know, the odds just stack against you pretty heavily.
The likely outcome here is the court will rule against them that the 2025 election did not count as an intervening election.
Or that they were not in a proper special session when they did first passage.
Those are chronologically the first two constitutional problems.
And once the Supreme Court rules that there's been one constitutional violation, whatever that is, I think they will stand pat because there's no appeal from the Supreme Court of Virginia.
They'll say, we don't need to rule on the rest because this is unconstitutional.
The degree to which it is unconstitutional is irrelevant.
It's unconstitutional.
That's what I think we're going to see probably in mid May.
And unfortunately, the right really hasn't moved much in Virginia, just like the rest of America.
But the left in Virginia has gone full tyrannical communist.
And I don't believe a lot of my Democrat neighbors who've just been voting Democrat their whole lives quite realize just how radical they're getting here.
I mean, they're voting for the Viet Cong, right?
And that's what they're getting.
And we're seeing it in this kind of behavior.
They just trample the law and they expect to bully the courts and they expect everybody to roll over for it.
Well, obviously, a lot of us aren't rolling over for it.
But I will say this about Virginia that's unique about the whole country.
We used to be a red state.
And the reason we're not a red state anymore is Washington, D.C.
And that is a bipartisan failure.
Republicans and Democrats have spent like drunken sailors.
And as John McCain said, at least drunken sailors were spending their own money.
That is not true in Washington.
And that massive growth of government lands in Northern Virginia.
And we import big government people from Illinois and California and Massachusetts to run that big government and to make money off it.
And they vote big government.
And the Northern Virginia, where all, if you look at the maps that have been proposed here by the Democrats, they all trail up to Northern Virginia.
That's where they pull their left wing votes to win all these districts in the Shenandoah Valley and down in Central Virginia and all the way down into Tidewater.
And yeah, there's the red circle that all of those come into Fairfax County, where I grew up, which used to be Republican.
And the reason it's not Republican is because we don't have a balanced budget requirement.
For our federal government.
And because that has gotten so enormous and spilled over into Maryland, it was already gone.
So we didn't really lose Maryland, but we lost Virginia and are in the process of losing Virginia because of the growth of the federal government.
Ladies and gentlemen, a man who we're very, very glad continues to fight for Virginia and somebody that, well, I got to tell you, I really hope that you run for governor again, Ken.
He is currently the senior fellow at the Center for Renewing America, of course, the former attorney general, and he's fighting the good fight.
Ladies and gentlemen, Douglas Mackey will be on in just one moment in order to talk about the SPLC.
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Trump calls for the 2020 presidential election to be permanently wiped from the books if Southern Poverty Law Center convicted of fraud.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is the greatest hate hoax industrial complex that we have ever seen in your lifetime or mine.
They were taking millions and millions of dollars, donor dollars, and funding organizations like the Aryan Nation, the KKK, Unite the Right rally.
And then they were doing this in order for Democrats to have narratives like Joe Biden.
I ran because I saw Charlottesville.
Charlottesville in Virginia.
I should have asked Ken Cuccinelli about that.
The goal of this, of course, is to set a narrative.
Laura, this is just an absolutely remarkable and breathless.
Breathtaking scam.
So, on one hand, they are funding the demand, and the demand is to fight racism.
They're funding the KKK, the Aryan Nation, and the Unite the Right rally.
And then on the other hand, they're getting donations.
They're creating the supply.
They're getting the donations to fight that hate.
So, they control both sides of the supply chain.
This is industrial scale hate crime hoaxing.
This is like Jesse Smollett with corporate sponsors.
And, Laura, I want to read.
Some of those corporate sponsors for you on your program.
According to the New York Post, JPMorgan Chase, the largest bank on earth, was a sponsor of the KKK and these hate crime hoaxes, along with Apple's CEO Tim Cook, OpenAI, MGM Resorts, and Chick fil A.
So with your spicy chicken, you may have been funding a lit tiki torch.
Did anybody know that at Chick fil A?
They should be ashamed of themselves, as are all of the donors to the SPLC.
Because what they were truly funding was industrial scale hate crime hoaxing that made this country worse.
Because there's a supply and demand problem with hate crimes.
Because we actually do live in an incredible, remarkable nation where we have Christian values and we tend to just peacefully live, you know, according to those Christian values.
And so I want to call for something, Laura.
And I think it's really critically important.
It's one thing to do the charges and the indictments.
What the Trump administration must truly do.
To shut this down, this corporate scale fraud down, is to eliminate the tax exempt status.
If you got rid of the tax exempt status of this organization, nobody would ever donate.
The only reason anybody ever donates to these things, not because they believe in them, they want a tax write off.
The tax exempt status makes it easy for these corporations to say, hey, listen, we're just getting a write off here.
We're just squaring our books.
We have to do charitable donations.
Southern Property Law Center.
Didn't they have something to do with Martin Luther King or whatever?
Okay, they're fighting hatred, right?
So let's just give them a couple million bucks.
And this is how it works.
So you have to eliminate the tax exempt status.
You should do that for Planned Parenthood as well.
I mean, this is how you get rid of Planned Parenthood.
And by the way, Planned Parenthood is shutting down clinics all across the country, partly because of Preborn, ladies and gentlemen, who we're so very proud to partner with.
Preborn is one of the single greatest organizations on earth.
I got to tell you, I refuse to be silent on the issue of life.
I have four kids.
I want many more.
I'll take as many as God will give me because every child is a gift.
I'm reading through the Gospels.
I'm a simple Christian.
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Ladies and gentlemen, my next guest is Douglas Mackey, a man who was indicted and they tried to put him in jail for the rest of his life for making a meme.
The SPLPC was part of this process and he joins us now to comment on the Current news about the SPLC and their hate crime hoaxes, which of course were leveled against him.
And so I went a little long with the current AG, with the former AG of Virginia, man.
That guy, I really don't like what happened in Virginia, but I did just kind of see rolling totalitarianism across the country, and nobody experienced that like you did.
So, everybody knows that the Biden DOJ came after me for posting funny memes that were completely innocent, saying that Hillary Clinton supporters could text their vote.
But what most people don't know is that the SPLC played a role in my trial and even trying to interfere with the trial.
Yeah, there's the meme in the upper right hand corner, the government exhibit number on it, which is kind of a nice souvenir.
So, what happened when I was going on trial in March of 2023 for posting two of these memes?
Is that the SPLC actually came after my attorney and the expert witness in my case and tried to intimidate both of them and smear them in the press?
Two characters named Luke O'Brien and Michael Edison Hayden.
So, what they did was we had an expert witness lined up, George Hawley, who is a very mainstream, respectable scholar from the University of Alabama.
He's had his publications in, I believe, Cambridge and Columbia, have published his work.
Very reasonable guy, not some kind of, oh, right wing extremist.
And he happened to be the TPUSA campus advisor.
More on that in a minute.
Hawley was going to testify at my trial that the election memes that I posted were indicative of trolling and not actually an attempt to trick Democrat Hillary Clinton supporters out of going to the polls.
So what they did was they smeared this guy, Hawley, based on the fact that he had corresponded in emails with somebody from VDARE.
Not only that, they tried to smear him by the fact that he was the TPUSA campus advisor.
If I could read you this one quote that they sent to him, I shouldn't say they, Luke O'Brien sent to him, which is TPUSA has engaged for years in a range of far right activism, including anti LGBTQ efforts and anti democratic organizing that contributed to the JN6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.
The organization has numerous links to white nationalism.
Do you have any comment?
And then he said, Does the University of Alabama know that you are doing this, that you're corresponding with these people?
So ultimately, what happened is the expert witness, George Hawley, backed out of this case.
They also tried to portray my attorney, who was just a regular, very well respected in the New York area criminal defense attorney.
They tried to smear him as some kind of far right movement lawyer because he was taking my case.
And now, the funny thing is that this kind of ended badly for these two individuals.
Luke O'Brien and Michael Edison Hayden.
What happened was this story was baseless.
And so when my attorney got wind of it, they had Clearlock send an email to SPLC saying, look, if you run this baseless story, we're going to come after you for a massive legal liability.
The only reason I know this is because Mr. Hayden published it in this book.
And the aftermath of this is that SPLC pulled the baseless story and didn't run it.
And this ended up with Michael Hayden on the floor of his shower at his house having a panic attack, passing out or something bizarre.
He eventually had to leave the SPLC.
And Luke O'Brien, who is a freelancer, he was angling for a full time role at the SPLC, actually had to, he was never offered a role at the SPLC after this.
So this ended badly for them.
As your readers, your viewers probably know, I won the case.
Against the federal government, but in a way, I guess we won it against the SPLC too.
So I was very heartened by this indictment that came down from President Trump and Todd Blanch.
And on day one, President Trump signed an executive order ordering the DOJ to end the weaponization of government and investigate the weaponization of government.
So I think that we're seeing the fruits of that play out.
I would caution the black pillars to take heart here.
We are seeing that things are coming down the pike when.
Biden was in office, you know, I was being prosecuted federally.
They tried to throw me in prison.
And now we're starting to see little things trickle out the fruits of some of these investigations that take months or years to fully develop.
Because I know you got very granular there as to how the SPLC is hacked, specifically you.
Could you zoom out to the ecosystem of the SPLC?
They put Charlie Kirk on a hate map.
Four months later, Charlie Kirk is murdered.
Charlie Kirk went on one of his last times on national TV, live in person with Laura Ingram, talking about the SPLC and how dangerous it is to conflate TPOSA with the KKK.
Little did I think Charlie even know at the time that they were funding both sides of that.
Could you talk about the ecosystem of how the SPLC operated?
And how good it is that the Trump administration is exposing that, shutting it down.
The Family Research Council, they put a bullseye on them because they were anti abortion.
So just for being pro life, the SBLC is going to call you a right wing extremist.
And I think that what their specialty is and was.
For all these years, is taking basically normal people like George Hawley or the Family Research Council and then putting them up next to these clan mask wearing people or people running around the country with swastikas.
Well, it comes to find out these more extreme organizations, the leaders of these very small organizations were being funded by the SPLC.
So then you get these images of these individuals going around the country.
Well, where do they get the money?
They're not.
Uh, made of money, they're not they don't have lucrative careers, but apparently they have enough money to fly around the country and wave swastika flags or put uh clan masks on.
It's a form of LARPing.
I mean, these are kind of like old, defunct organizations, and so then they take these people and they put them up next to President Trump or yourself or Charlie Kirk and say, This is what we're fighting for, send us your money.
And then, of course, we know what they're doing.
So, uh, they have uh, they used to have this intelligence wing which got shut down.
Obviously, because of probably these investigations, where they would go around paying people to do all the stuff.
And then things like this would happen in Charlottesville, going back a few years, where a number of right wing protesters who were among them were mixed in some of these not neo Nazis or KKK members, but some of these people were just regular people trying to protest the statue.
They corralled them into the town square and then they corralled Antifa in to try to create this riot situation.
A lot of people think that they were trying to have blood spilled there so that they could portray this as extremism gone wrong and Trump is ruining America.
And fortunately, that didn't end up happening, besides one individual who sadly lost her life because an individual hit her with his car.
And then it's contested whether he was just trying to escape or whether he.
Made a mistake or whether he purposely mowed her down.
That's sort of immaterial, but this is what the SPLC does, which is profit off of rancor and division by causing rancor and division.
So, I don't know anything specific about Patriot Front.
I would caution anybody about these kind of organizations because, you know, they've Get you to put these costumes on and march down the street, and then people say, Oh, look at these people, look what they're doing.
I don't know that that's effective politics, first of all.
Second of all, we've seen a pattern now of groups like the National Alliance and the KKK, but also a group that maybe looks a little bit less radical, like the Patriot Front, where they actually pay off the leaders to sort of corral these people and leak their data.
They get you to sign up.
And they have a member list, and then they sell that member list to the SPLC.
So I would caution anybody against.
This sort of organization, it's just not a great thing.
I would also say that, you know, we've seen where they had a former police intelligence, police officers infiltrate these organizations and make their way up to the very, almost the very top.
And they're on the payroll of the SPLC.
So anytime you're doing something like this, the Patriot, I don't know who's in the Patriot front.
I don't know if they're getting paid or not, but I would just caution people.
It's just this organization that we've been calling out for such a long time.
And I don't really know.
I'd really like to find out, certainly in this next Trump administration, like what is going on there with the box trucks, the outfits, the marches, the lack of anybody ever scrutinizing them every single time they need something.
You know, they get a giant truck that pulls up and they all just pile into the back of it.
It's unmarked, it doesn't have a license plate, it zooms off over the hills.
And we never hear that again.
It just reeks of an op, man.
Now that we're finding out about all this, yeah, now that we're finding out about this, like the great age of disclosure, hopefully, is upon us.
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Trump extends.
Israel Lebanon ceasefire three weeks as the Iranian negotiators head to Islamabad today.
So that means that there's going to be peace talks today.
And we're going to get a very, hopefully, this weekend, there'll be some major advancement made on this front.
Obviously, last Friday, there were the big announcements that the trade of Hormuz was open and that President Trump had locked in a generational peace deal that fell to pieces.
Tends to happen, frankly.
There's a lot of space and a lot of time and a lot of distance and a lot of obviously complex and countervailing forces in that part of the world.
But President Trump, I think, is doing his best efforts here to muscle this over the finish line.
And we'll pray for that this weekend.
We'll pray for peace.
We're heading up to New York right after this.
Mandami's, New York.
I'm giving a speech for the Republican Women of New York Club.
And so that's what we'll be doing this evening.
And so, ladies and gentlemen, that will be our show for the day with one more prediction.
Woo, a tough one right here.
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